Great no nonsense summary of your actual first-person long-term experience with the vehicle! Not many people are able to purchase a vehicle and sell it off after a few months, so being able to hear from someone that's done it provides a value not possible from the typical review. I was incredibly impressed after spending a few hours in a Lightning with Lariat trim, but I can't justify the price for the limited need that I have for a pickup truck. Your comments are very similar to mine when I talk to people about the experience, so it's good to know my impressions were not far off the mark! Thank you for reiterating the point that vehicle purchases must match the needs of the individual buyer, whether it's an EV or not!
I've said it before, but nobody is going to tow cross country with EVs for a good number of years. But if you tow like 90% of the people who tow daily (generators, wood chippers, crap that NEVER gets disconnected from the hitch) an EV will save you A FORTUNE in short order. 10mpg on $5.50 diesel, or $2 worth of electricity at night. You do the math.
Thanks for the review. I placed my reservation early I thought and missed the 1st wave. I was hoping for the Pro at 39k. I just received notice from FoMoCo that this winter, I'll be eligible to purchase a Lightning. The least expensive one is $55k plus. I'll just have to pass on it. Maybe later, EV prices will come back down to Earth.
I'd love to see the manufacturers give more real mileage ranges. For instance: All city driving expect 3 - 3.3 mpk 55 mph highways 2 - 2.4 mpk 70 mph roads 1.8 - 2 mpk Etcetera. That way, if you know your battery kwh you could easily calculate your expected range. Even with all that, there are weather conditions and your driving habits. Do you use one pedal driving to factor in. It is very difficult to come up with an accurate guesstimate on what you can expect.
I would love to hear your in-depth thoughts and especially a head-to-head comparison (now based on experience) on the F150 Lightning vs the F150 Hybrid.
Really happy to have purchased a used gas truck and cancelled my lightning. I tow, and having to put up with that while trying to get 1200 miles away is not something I think they are setup for yet.
Imagine if the truck with this size battery also had a range extender a very small generator not just similar from what they put into the power boost. That could add another hundred miles of range. That way, 99% of the time you’re running on electric only but when you need extra towing ability or you need to go a greater distance between charges or it’s winter warrior driving on the highway whatever the case is. You’ve got the ability to drive just as far as any other Vehicle that would make this the perfect vehicle, and I would be willing to pay an extra five grand for such a feature.
Alex, what are your thoughts on the cold weather and these EV’s, especially the Lightning. Real world reports of the range being drastically reduced by the cold. If you then tried to tow in the cold, from what I have seen you would be getting 100 miles of range at best.
Great review, Alex. I can't believe they didn't put a heat pump in this truck. That is really dumb!! So, with that in mind, I guess you wouldn't recommend this truck for the northern states or Canada, considering the range loss in Winter? Imagine the range when it is double digits below freezing.
Thanks for doing all the tests, I bought one with more confidence based on your videos vs a lot of other "chatter" on RUclips. Regarding the tonneau cover, which video did you do the test on range differences with or without it? I missed it. Thanks.
I quite like Alex on Autos and think he gives a pretty fair shake to BEVs and other types of vehicles but I just heard him say something that I think really underscores the problem with the future of EV adoption in America (And Solar and Wind and any number of things we have to have a reckoning with...)..... When he was considering to buy/lease another Durango vs other options, he seemed to have his argument clearly entered on towing. (That might be the only reason IMHO to prefer a Durango as it's pretty much prehistoric and offers a massive V8 as it's only raison d'être while towing with 3 rows because otherwise it's circa 1980s like a lot of Mopar's offerings:-) In reviewing his reasons for NOT keeping the BEV F150 he again talked about towing and I again, assumed he was towing large loads long distances often for his other business that I guessed must be some sort of Interstate cinderblock delivery company:-) Then he said "I have to tow 300+ miles 1-2 a YEAR!" And there you have it. As long as we continue to make vehicle decisions on something we may or may not do 1 or twice PER 365 days and for which there are many alternatives (rent, hire, pay somebody) we are all going to be driving around in V8 Durangos and XL Suburbans because, you know, we MIGHT need to tow a boat that we are thinking of buying plus a few horses it would be lovely to someday own to Grandma's in insert-name-of-distance state-here WITH 6 other Full sized Boy Scouts in the back:-). Like the channel. Keep up the good reviews. People, get a grip on your wants vs needs and we'll all get to a better place sooner....
It's not that we the people need to get a grip on our wants vs needs it's the manufacturer need to make vehicles that meet our wants AND needs even if only for occasional use. Just like our gas vehicles already can. I bet if someone were to take a look at your life and find areas where you are going beyond the bare minimum needs. This is the elitist mindset of us regular people just have to make due with the bare minimum while our "betters" get everything they want.
@@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw At the risk of starting an endless spiral, I first don't know what you mean by "At least officially" and my point is exactly what you are stating. Manufacturers WILL make what we demand. What we need to do is evolve our demands away from our very occasional wants and focus on our needs. As a species, we are very fond of indulging ourselves. This is not confined to elitist. Those who are far from elitist can overindulge themselves in foods and lifestyle choices that are not in thier long term best interests the same way that middle class America can indulge in transportation and energy choices that are not in our long term best interests. It is when we excuse ourselves from making better choices by blaming elites and manufactures and anything other than the person see in the mirror that this does ot improve out outlook.
@@gordgooding1558 sorry at least officially was a typo, supposed to say at least occasionally. You don't find it odd that the elites pushing the climate change stuff on us continue to drive what they want, fly private jets, build mansions on the coast despite sea level rise but we are the ones that have to sacrifice. Ever notice the same party/people pushing gun control for us has private security with guns? Sorry it won't be us making the sacrifice. Only individuals get to decide their own best interest nobody else
Exactly. I got rid of my truck a few years ago because I only used it a few times a year to pick up equipment or big loads of lumber/gravel Between registration, insurance, and all the maintenance problems that come from not driving a vehicle often... It's just easier to rent a truck or trailer when I need one. The extra dollars in my pocket are just icing on the cake
@@gordgooding1558 This is all fine and good, except that I bought my truck specifically for the 5 or 6 times a year that I tow my 5th wheel. This way I don't need to get used to a new truck every time I tow, (assuming I can find a rental company that allows 5th-wheel towing). I can also equip my truck with storage accessories for better organization of my tools and camping supplies; try doing that to a rental truck. Additionally, it gives me the added benefit of having a truck on hand for home projects. FWIW, the truck is not my daily driver.
@@keitha.9788 haha, I just moved from the Silicon Valley, and there is plenty of people there that can’t afford this truck either. Just ask all the people living in mobile homes or folks living out of their car. The gap between the rich and the poor is very obvious there. Over and out on that rant. On the other hand, maybe Chevy will give us the Bolt truck!! great value at a good price.
@Ricky C. Don't count on EVs getting significantly cheaper for quite some time. To add to the problems getting the computer chips and other parts, we have our failing dollars, which is going to eventually cause another possible depression. Not so good times ahead.
Thanks for the review. Lots of reviews out there are also pointing out that the lightning is not performing well in cold weather climates. Food for thought for those who experience harsh winters.
It’s well known that BEV range really suffers, probably 20-30% less, when you use the HVAC, That doesn’t include the battery need for motive power or accessories too.
I absolutely LOVE that color Alex. But I’m a bit of a clean freak and live in NJ. Winter salt spray would drive me crazy. So I got Iconic Silver. Due to be built any minute now (build week 12/19, blend date 12/23).
I have a fire engine red pickup and wash it a few times every month but I don’t think of it as an authentic pickup until there’s some mud on the bottom of the wheel wells and rocker panels.
As always, an excellent, through review -- Lightning is great, but won't (yet?) meet everyone's needs/wants/desires. Thanks for your "real world" reviews.
I've definitely seen a range drop in colder weather, and it hasn't dropped to single digits yet. Although that's not a problem for me because my daily drive never exceeds 60 miles. However, charging to just the 80% recommended SOC, my 131 kwh battery drops to around 104 kwh and only getting 1.6 miles per kwh is about 167 miles of range. So if I was planning to drive farther than tgat in a day, there would be a problem, because the last thing I want to do is pay the public chargers ridiculously high kwh costs.
You are the only car reviewer that I trust . Not a fan of any EV. I’m waiting to move to Florida before considering any EV. No hills, no freezing cold, and lots of traffic.
I barely have time to charge my phone. I don't need another piece of battery I'll need to remember to plug in when it's -20 outside now, too. I have remote starts for my ICE and they work well when I'm too lazy and it's too cold to go outside, thank you very much!
89 k for a truck that goes 150 miles towing. Nope. Just nope. I value my time too much to spend it sitting at a charger. But I appreciate the review and all the information.
I do not think the Outlander PHEV will be a good choice, because Mitsubishis in general are not popular vehicles. You will be doing various tests for very little audience.
It will be popular, if, for no other reason than that, it competes with other popular vehicles, including the unattainable RAV4 prime. Also, it’s a great vehicle.
There’s very little audience for the hyper expensive EV trucks he just got rid of as well. Hybrids and plug in hybrids have a much higher interest level from general public
He should give Mitsubishi the attention it deserves. The Outlander PHEV is a great value PHEV suv and I bet a lot of people will be interested to learn about it.
Alex's aim is to educate. Not to please fanboys. The Mitsubishi isn't as.. "popular" as the more obvious choices. Which is all the more reason to educate us on it.
That range ford should have give this truck butter range because that Cybertruck from what I'm hearing is going to be a real serious competitor to this F-150 Lightning same thing with the Chevy Silverado EV
Thank you and all the others who have given reviews on this awesome but not so awsome on true range truck. I missed the first and second wave orders due to the unavailability of the pro and since then the price has gone up to $59k+ at the check-out summary. Rediculous inflation. So that is an easy decision for me to take my deposit back. EV truck is not ready for prime time in Comparison to the ICE range. I will give it 7-10 yrs to be on par or better than ice.
Prius never had real AWD before - were those impractical? The puny 5HP rear motor for AWD-e on the current ones is a joke. Don’t tell me that’s important… Storage space in a small car is a laughable requirement. It’s a small car… get a bigger car if you need more space.
6:33 This "THING" should be made standard to every EV if possible. Vehicle to Load/Grid or V2G. It's no giant change in hardware and diodes on electrical boards. It's such a waste it's not bring done seriously, with a steep price entry.
Yeah it’s a relatively simple feature and drastically needed on more cars… right now it’s basically just the Lightning, Volt, and Outlander that have that tech in the US. BUT it’s not as easy as just adding diodes… You need a powerful 120/240V inverter in the vehicle for V2L, and V2H / V2G requires your home to be wired for it too. It’s not just the BEV that needs an upgrade. You need to add a transfer switch and update the EV charge system for bidirectional power. Again, this can all be done. But it’s not free - it’s several thousand dollars. Not everyone will pay for that, so it should not be standard but the option should be taken more seriously.
Rivian does have a frame. And it is unibody. The Silverado ev should be simular to the rivian but larger. On the Rivian. The frame rails are further apart then the Lightning. Giving it more room for batteries. The redesigned Lightning will have more room for the batteries
A plug-in hybrid with 50 or so miles of range would be so much better practically for an ev truck. It's such a shame that it's battery pack is 2x the size of a base Tesla 3 yet gets similar range in real world driving. The goal for companies should be more ev's on the road and not the typical American bigger is a better solution mentality.
@@Yihooni 58 each way - wonder if I could go more than a day or two without charging in cold weather? Then again, with a price of well over 100K, I could just buy a regular F150 as well as paying for the fuel for a few years.
Alex people know VERY very little about the plug in hybrids especially the a Mitsubishi Outlander. You could do sooooooo many videos about it. You would get sooo much content.
It sounds like a good review I would put a asterisk beside heat pump only EVs for people who live in real cold climates, they are great down around -22f (-30c) at which point they aren't as effective and need supplimental heat as some Tesla owners discover in Canada. Note this isn't a EV problem but a physics issue, heat pump based home heating systems have the same limitation. For northern use, EV vehicles will need to have some resistive heat to keep them functional in the extreme cold much the same as Diesel vehicles need supplimental heat to function properly in the -30 to -50 range.
It’s all part of the “entitlement generation”. If something isn’t perfect for me then it’s total junk and no one should buy it or even be able to by it.
Jesus dude. Pretty impressive single-handed attempt to counter Alex's review. Maybe another 30 posts and you'll get there. If you don't like the truck, don't buy it.
Isn’t there an extension package you could get, like metal brushed extending out from the underbody, that drags along a metal strip imbedded in the road that gives you unlimited range?
A neat engineering exercise. Completely unrealistic as a replacement for a gas F150 based on price, range, and slow recharge. Truck Of The Year according to paid marketing only.
Your assumptions are totally wrong as it was not built to replace anything. It is an option for those who can use it. That is why the gas and hybrid F150's are still being built and Ford announced no plans for the F250's and above as the battery power levels will not be there for a decade or more.
Many owners likely had inflated expectations and thought this could fill all voids of what a half ton would be used for. It’s great but does have its specific niche in the marketplace.
@@JohnCap523 Alex actually uses trucks though. A lot of actual owners were underwhelmed with the truck when it came with towing. And not that it’s cold in some states, the range is horrible
@@snacking5908 95% of light truck owners use their truck mostly as a car. Few actually tow anything and those who do know what to research. Alex double ordered and a decision was baked in months ago. That the truck lost out, doesn’t mean much. PS- I’d never own any Ford, so i am certainly not defending the truck.
I can't keep up with charging my Cell Phone, let alone the car. So I own a 2022 F150 Lariat full Hybrid 3.5L fully loaded truck, it came with 7.2Kw pro onboard power pack and it is an awesome truck no doubt.
Towing , cold temps and hot weather .... will cut range by a large percentage on the Lightning. EV's were suppose to be cheap .... most of them are not cheap!
I'd be interested in a long term Toyota Tacoma hybrid/plug-in hybrid when they come out. Been hearing the end of next year maybe? Or an electric Ranger if they get those out anytime soon.
Tacoma Hybrid was just teased. Late 2023 if not 2024. Ranger hasn’t gotten any hybrid / electric treatment either, maybe 2024. Perhaps you meant Maverick?
@@heathwirt8919 is that known or just assumed? I know companies have been using aluminum intensive architecture in unibodies for some time now, VW/Audi specifically.
Well i looked but couldnt find a single mention of aluminum in any review or press releases (outside of aluminum in the battery cells). So i guess they're using mostly steel like you thought and would help explain the monstrous curb weights we've been seeing.
@@heathwirt8919 exactly, paired with the new platform architecture I thought they would have wanted to try and shave weight in as many other places as possible.
I think Alex here summed it up well. Haven’t been in one yet but it does seem to be a standout for this year just for the innovation it brings to the table.
IDK, I’m of the opinion that technology and infrastructure is still not there if your only vehicle is the EV. I tend to lean towards hybrids for efficiency and practicality and yes, I do have range anxiety.
As an owner of two Leaf’s since 2013 as my DD, you get used to the limited range. I’m of the opinion that EV full size trucks are a non starter because they really need a battery 3x the current size to be able to tow long distances. Ford should have electrified the Maverick or Ranger platform first.
@@bobbbobb4663 There are trade offs with ICE, hybrid, and EV. You have a good point on EV’s for larger trucks. Glad the Leaf worked out well for your needs.
@@bobbbobb4663 If you watched one of the latest videos featuring an interview with Sandy Munro you would know that all of these battery issues will be moot by 2030 and after: improved battery chemistries and 1000+ mile range cars so trucks will follow quickly.
@@drakeil $andy Munro has zero credibility. First, he never graduated with an engineering degree. Second, he never disclosed that his trip to Vietnam was paid for by Vinfast, yet he proclaimed the panel gaps were perfect when they were obviously not on his own video. If you want to buy the answer you are seeking, $andy is your guy.
Would your thoughts and opinions of this particular truck also apply to the standard range? My truck will be a standard range. I drive almost exclusively local. My only worry is I could be buying an already outdated technology in the standard range.
I have an extended range platinum, which, because of its extra weight, hasn't ever achieved the rated 300-mile range stated. I believe a standard range battery with a lighter truck will do as well in comparison. Expect to see a significant range drop in colder weather. I've seen as low as 1.6 miles per kwh with mine at 19 degrees. I'm expecting even less when it reaches single digits. You will have 98 kwh battery, and if charged to the recommended 80% SOC, it will drop to about 78.4 kwh. If your winter driving dropped your range to 1.6 miles per kwh, like mine has, you'll still get about 125 miles on a charge. It's relatively easy to calculate all this. 98 x .8 = 78.4 78.4 x 1.6 = 125.44. Since you have the SR battery and you charge at home with the 240 v mobile charger, you can figure out about 6 kw per hour charge. Example: if you used half of the 78.4 kwh (39.2 kwh), it would take approximately 39.2÷6 = 6.5 hours to charge your truck back to 80% SOC. That should be a relatively accurate number because I've already figured in the loss from your 7200-watt charger. These numbers are close proximity estimates. These are still great vehicles as long as they are used locally and charged at home. Another tip you may see that range be cut in half again if you are towing, just something to keep in mind. I still love this truck and all its capabilities.
@@pstoneking3418 That’s fantastic information. Very much appreciated. This will be my first EV so I have some learning to do. And I have a little anxiety. But I don’t tow and my commute to work is 7.5 miles on a 50 mph road. Most traffic flows around 60/65. But that’s really the longest drive I do everyday. Home Depot is 2 miles from home. The dump about 5 miles. The Jersey Shore about 5 miles. And, best of all. There’s currently a 110 outlet really close to where I park at work. I’m working on getting a nema 14-50 installed so I can fully charge on my employer’s dime.
@@paulavenoso899You’re the ideal EV driver then. You won’t need even 10% of the battery most days, and just charge it when you feel like it. You won’t need to charge often.
I put in my reservation for an F150 lightning at probably the last possible moment before they closed (late Nov 2021). Today I got an email from Ford that I should be able to order my truck Summer of 2023, the last possible date is August 2023 for the 2023 model year.
Electric range is miserable and it’s too expensive, ev technology is just not ready yet, diehard ev fans can have there under 4 second 0-60 mph back, most people are not ready to own an ev and neither is our charging infrastructure
That is stupid and $81,000 but there going to make more in 2023 that just going to sit there in there lot because no one is going to afford it. You did mention that electric bill on top of that.
A lot of power tools require 240V. The point of that system (which is in the gas model too) is to set up on a remote job site and have power. Also, RVs and campers need 240V.
Yes. He got the experience of buying and owning the car, like anyone who would own one. Normal car reviews are a few hours, maybe a few days. Hardly enough to comment on living with the vehicle. They don’t have to deal with the dealership, maintenance, or even refueling it half the time.
Comparing the Lightning weight to the Hummer EV is dumb. For starters the Hummer is 6.7" wider. The Lightnings competitor is the Silverado EV. Regarding efficiency, Hummer has knobby off road tires. Lightning street tires. 4 Krist sake.
Really? Truck of the year? The EV marketing hype is relentless trying to convince people they want one. Other reviewers like hoovie showed the flaws and seemed happy to move on from it.
@@garrettw99 Read the reviews. Range, even when NOT towing its a little more than 200 at 80 MPH highway speeds. Range is JOB ONE when it comes to pickups.
@@alexnutcasio936 there are a lot of truck drivers that don’t need more than 200 miles of range. I’d argue most fleet trucks don’t need that much range. Also no one said this is the truck for everyone
It’s a truck that sucks at doing truck things like towing or hauling stuff. Range is drastically reduced when towing or in the cold. I guess it could be said that hey I don’t tow or haul anything so that’s fine, but then if that’s the case, what’s the point of spending huge $$$ on this thing when you can get an EV car if you are dead-set on an EV.
This is in no way the truck of the year. It's basically a toy that can take you places. If you want to do real truck stuff, this is not the one for you.
Sorry. You're bowing low to the Green Goddess cancel culture. A base F150 XL crew cab 4wd FX4 with the 2.7T for less than half the price is a superior vehicle. As is the Maverick base hybrid. In CA 200 freeway mi on 90 kWh cost about $36 on current PGE Tier 2 homeowner rates. Fast charge rates are similar. At 70 mph, you nap for an hour for every three of driving. WoooWee! You'll arrive as the most rested driver in the caravan. A 2.7 ICE F150 4wd at 22 mpg at 70 mph will use 9 gallons in 200 mi for $40 -$45. For 8 bucks you get there an hour sooner for every 200 mi you travel. A 36 gallon tank will break your bladder. This while paying $500 per mo less in truck payments and $100 less in insurance. Around town the EV is lots cheaper to fuel and can charge at home. But around town a Prius or Maverick will serve even better. For most, now that the Fed has ended the CoViD handout flood, money matters. In the new post CoViD economy, these expensive vanity vehicles are for those few who earn much more than they need. For the rest of us, Money matters. Not sure the economics of EVs will be sustainable in anything but Bolt-priced vehicles. Look for hybrids to dominate
85 thousand dollars for, what? the fact I can power my house in case of power outage? i have a generator I used 2 times in 10yeats. 250 miles of range? would anybody buy this that doesn't work around town????? imaging the range towing!? ford is a dead company walking....
Standard Gas powered truck you get 300miles (unless extended fuel tank) and when towing it’s less. It doesn’t fit everyone’s lifestyle I don’t know why people cry about it.
@@lgmisfit10 and... can fillup in 8 minutes. cost tens pf thousands less. and your own towing numbers for the ford ev compared to a v8? and I am a bit forgetful of the towing /weight payload of the ev vs the reg f 150. unless something spectacular was done to the chassis the battery weight of the ev must effect payload. and in not, why would ford not use the newest chassis on the regular f 150????
1. How many RUclipsrs do you know? 2. People sell their evs after a year of ownership because you can sell it for what you bought it for, and claim the federal tax credit. 3. I am on my third one in three years. I made money on each vehicle.
Yeah no thanks too expensive, range sucks, can’t handle cold weather, needs more people to buy this next year so more problems can be discovered and remedied in the future
Good youre dumping it. Honestly the longer time goes on, the more we see what a poorly engineered, cobbled together POS this truck is. And that is before you consider the $20K price increase we saw in just one year. Long recharge times, losing half your range when towing or it's "cold" (35 degrees) out, Ford saying to use seat heaters and the heated steering wheel rather than the heater when it's cold and then removing the heated steering wheel for 2023. It's clear that Ford never took this fake lightning seriously and the result is a staggeringly bad vehicle.
Alex, your reviews are honest and exactly what we need to know. Keep up the great work. Best wishes to you and your family.
Great no nonsense summary of your actual first-person long-term experience with the vehicle! Not many people are able to purchase a vehicle and sell it off after a few months, so being able to hear from someone that's done it provides a value not possible from the typical review. I was incredibly impressed after spending a few hours in a Lightning with Lariat trim, but I can't justify the price for the limited need that I have for a pickup truck. Your comments are very similar to mine when I talk to people about the experience, so it's good to know my impressions were not far off the mark!
Thank you for reiterating the point that vehicle purchases must match the needs of the individual buyer, whether it's an EV or not!
I've said it before, but nobody is going to tow cross country with EVs for a good number of years. But if you tow like 90% of the people who tow daily (generators, wood chippers, crap that NEVER gets disconnected from the hitch) an EV will save you A FORTUNE in short order. 10mpg on $5.50 diesel, or $2 worth of electricity at night. You do the math.
Thanks for the review. I placed my reservation early I thought and missed the 1st wave. I was hoping for the Pro at 39k. I just received notice from FoMoCo that this winter, I'll be eligible to purchase a Lightning. The least expensive one is $55k plus. I'll just have to pass on it. Maybe later, EV prices will come back down to Earth.
Alex, I think it is bonkers that "the single best feature" of a pickup truck is its front trunk. 🤨
I wonder if they crash test a fully loaded front truck with loose load? 400lbs of inertia...
@@MarioDallaRivaIt’s very likely that they do not test that, or test crashes with things in the bed. Secure your loads.
I'd love to see the manufacturers give more real mileage ranges. For instance:
All city driving expect 3 - 3.3 mpk
55 mph highways 2 - 2.4 mpk
70 mph roads 1.8 - 2 mpk
Etcetera. That way, if you know your battery kwh you could easily calculate your expected range.
Even with all that, there are weather conditions and your driving habits. Do you use one pedal driving to factor in. It is very difficult to come up with an accurate guesstimate on what you can expect.
I would love to hear your in-depth thoughts and especially a head-to-head comparison (now based on experience) on the F150 Lightning vs the F150 Hybrid.
Really happy to have purchased a used gas truck and cancelled my lightning. I tow, and having to put up with that while trying to get 1200 miles away is not something I think they are setup for yet.
You are correct, I wouldn't have purchased my lightning if I was going to use it anywhere but locally and able to charge it at home.
Imagine if the truck with this size battery also had a range extender a very small generator not just similar from what they put into the power boost. That could add another hundred miles of range. That way, 99% of the time you’re running on electric only but when you need extra towing ability or you need to go a greater distance between charges or it’s winter warrior driving on the highway whatever the case is. You’ve got the ability to drive just as far as any other Vehicle that would make this the perfect vehicle, and I would be willing to pay an extra five grand for such a feature.
Alex, what are your thoughts on the cold weather and these EV’s, especially the Lightning. Real world reports of the range being drastically reduced by the cold. If you then tried to tow in the cold, from what I have seen you would be getting 100 miles of range at best.
You are probably correct. Cold weather range drop added to towing range drop . I'll do my best to only do my towing in warmer months.
Great review, Alex. I can't believe they didn't put a heat pump in this truck. That is really dumb!! So, with that in mind, I guess you wouldn't recommend this truck for the northern states or Canada, considering the range loss in Winter? Imagine the range when it is double digits below freezing.
Thanks for doing all the tests, I bought one with more confidence based on your videos vs a lot of other "chatter" on RUclips.
Regarding the tonneau cover, which video did you do the test on range differences with or without it? I missed it. Thanks.
I quite like Alex on Autos and think he gives a pretty fair shake to BEVs and other types of vehicles but I just heard him say something that I think really underscores the problem with the future of EV adoption in America (And Solar and Wind and any number of things we have to have a reckoning with...)..... When he was considering to buy/lease another Durango vs other options, he seemed to have his argument clearly entered on towing. (That might be the only reason IMHO to prefer a Durango as it's pretty much prehistoric and offers a massive V8 as it's only raison d'être while towing with 3 rows because otherwise it's circa 1980s like a lot of Mopar's offerings:-)
In reviewing his reasons for NOT keeping the BEV F150 he again talked about towing and I again, assumed he was towing large loads long distances often for his other business that I guessed must be some sort of Interstate cinderblock delivery company:-) Then he said "I have to tow 300+ miles 1-2 a YEAR!" And there you have it. As long as we continue to make vehicle decisions on something we may or may not do 1 or twice PER 365 days and for which there are many alternatives (rent, hire, pay somebody) we are all going to be driving around in V8 Durangos and XL Suburbans because, you know, we MIGHT need to tow a boat that we are thinking of buying plus a few horses it would be lovely to someday own to Grandma's in insert-name-of-distance state-here WITH 6 other Full sized Boy Scouts in the back:-).
Like the channel. Keep up the good reviews. People, get a grip on your wants vs needs and we'll all get to a better place sooner....
It's not that we the people need to get a grip on our wants vs needs it's the manufacturer need to make vehicles that meet our wants AND needs even if only for occasional use. Just like our gas vehicles already can. I bet if someone were to take a look at your life and find areas where you are going beyond the bare minimum needs. This is the elitist mindset of us regular people just have to make due with the bare minimum while our "betters" get everything they want.
@@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw At the risk of starting an endless spiral, I first don't know what you mean by "At least officially" and my point is exactly what you are stating. Manufacturers WILL make what we demand. What we need to do is evolve our demands away from our very occasional wants and focus on our needs. As a species, we are very fond of indulging ourselves. This is not confined to elitist. Those who are far from elitist can overindulge themselves in foods and lifestyle choices that are not in thier long term best interests the same way that middle class America can indulge in transportation and energy choices that are not in our long term best interests. It is when we excuse ourselves from making better choices by blaming elites and manufactures and anything other than the person see in the mirror that this does ot improve out outlook.
@@gordgooding1558 sorry at least officially was a typo, supposed to say at least occasionally. You don't find it odd that the elites pushing the climate change stuff on us continue to drive what they want, fly private jets, build mansions on the coast despite sea level rise but we are the ones that have to sacrifice. Ever notice the same party/people pushing gun control for us has private security with guns? Sorry it won't be us making the sacrifice. Only individuals get to decide their own best interest nobody else
Exactly. I got rid of my truck a few years ago because I only used it a few times a year to pick up equipment or big loads of lumber/gravel Between registration, insurance, and all the maintenance problems that come from not driving a vehicle often... It's just easier to rent a truck or trailer when I need one. The extra dollars in my pocket are just icing on the cake
@@gordgooding1558 This is all fine and good, except that I bought my truck specifically for the 5 or 6 times a year that I tow my 5th wheel. This way I don't need to get used to a new truck every time I tow, (assuming I can find a rental company that allows 5th-wheel towing). I can also equip my truck with storage accessories for better organization of my tools and camping supplies; try doing that to a rental truck. Additionally, it gives me the added benefit of having a truck on hand for home projects. FWIW, the truck is not my daily driver.
Ur the best at this, dude. Tks for sharing
Wow this thing is expensive :) especially the upper trim one. I wonder if EV vehicles will get cheaper in the next five years?
It's a Silicon Valley F150, And is priced just right for Silicon Valley...............
@@keitha.9788 haha, I just moved from the Silicon Valley, and there is plenty of people there that can’t afford this truck either. Just ask all the people living in mobile homes or folks living out of their car. The gap between the rich and the poor is very obvious there. Over and out on that rant. On the other hand, maybe Chevy will give us the Bolt truck!! great value at a good price.
@Ricky C. Don't count on EVs getting significantly cheaper for quite some time. To add to the problems getting the computer chips and other parts, we have our failing dollars, which is going to eventually cause another possible depression. Not so good times ahead.
Not likely. The manufacturing of the battery is projected to continue to be expensive.
Not a chance. Lithium is getting more expensive, and the subsidy for EVs is coming to an end.
Thanks for the review.
Lots of reviews out there are also pointing out that the lightning is not performing well in cold weather climates. Food for thought for those who experience harsh winters.
There is no such thing as a "harsh winter" in California". Ford should have branded it the "California F150 EV"...
It’s well known that BEV range really suffers, probably 20-30% less, when you use the HVAC, That doesn’t include the battery need for motive power or accessories too.
That's pretty much all EVs on the market right now, especially those without heat pumps.
All electric cars lose range during cold weather's.
It's definitely another reason to only purchase one if you plan on limited daily driving and the ability to charge at home.
I absolutely LOVE that color Alex. But I’m a bit of a clean freak and live in NJ. Winter salt spray would drive me crazy. So I got Iconic Silver. Due to be built any minute now (build week 12/19, blend date 12/23).
I live in the Salt Belt as well. Silver hides winter spray well but I think Bronze in the best for year round dirt concealment. 😉
I have a fire engine red pickup and wash it a few times every month but I don’t think of it as an authentic pickup until there’s some mud on the bottom of the wheel wells and rocker panels.
As always, an excellent, through review -- Lightning is great, but won't (yet?) meet everyone's needs/wants/desires. Thanks for your "real world" reviews.
I've definitely seen a range drop in colder weather, and it hasn't dropped to single digits yet. Although that's not a problem for me because my daily drive never exceeds 60 miles. However, charging to just the 80% recommended SOC, my 131 kwh battery drops to around 104 kwh and only getting 1.6 miles per kwh is about 167 miles of range. So if I was planning to drive farther than tgat in a day, there would be a problem, because the last thing I want to do is pay the public chargers ridiculously high kwh costs.
LOVE THE SHOW ALEX👏👏...HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE ✌️
You are the only car reviewer that I trust . Not a fan of any EV. I’m waiting to move to Florida before considering any EV. No hills, no freezing cold, and lots of traffic.
FL? Hurricanes that take out half the state, floods, rising ocean levels, summer that lasts 9 months? Good luck.
Florida: and soon under water (40 years or so).
I barely have time to charge my phone. I don't need another piece of battery I'll need to remember to plug in when it's -20 outside now, too. I have remote starts for my ICE and they work well when I'm too lazy and it's too cold to go outside, thank you very much!
que hermoso es este vehiculo, me encanta en color rojo, es una lastima que en mi pais no lo vendan, ojala algun dia pueda llegar, un saludo.
89 k for a truck that goes 150 miles towing. Nope. Just nope. I value my time too much to spend it sitting at a charger. But I appreciate the review and all the information.
I do not think the Outlander PHEV will be a good choice, because Mitsubishis in general are not popular vehicles. You will be doing various tests for very little audience.
@@naveenthemachine lots of amazing cars have been underrated and sold poorly. Sad as it is.
It will be popular, if, for no other reason than that, it competes with other popular vehicles, including the unattainable RAV4 prime. Also, it’s a great vehicle.
There’s very little audience for the hyper expensive EV trucks he just got rid of as well. Hybrids and plug in hybrids have a much higher interest level from general public
He should give Mitsubishi the attention it deserves. The Outlander PHEV is a great value PHEV suv and I bet a lot of people will be interested to learn about it.
Alex's aim is to educate. Not to please fanboys. The Mitsubishi isn't as.. "popular" as the more obvious choices. Which is all the more reason to educate us on it.
Hi Alex. Do you the link for the bed cover? I have 2022 platinum lightning so Im sure it will fit as well.
That range ford should have give this truck butter range because that Cybertruck from what I'm hearing is going to be a real serious competitor to this F-150 Lightning same thing with the Chevy Silverado EV
Outlander PHEV long term test please!!
Thank you and all the others who have given reviews on this awesome but not so awsome on true range truck. I missed the first and second wave orders due to the unavailability of the pro and since then the price has gone up to $59k+ at the check-out summary. Rediculous inflation. So that is an easy decision for me to take my deposit back. EV truck is not ready for prime time in Comparison to the ICE range. I will give it 7-10 yrs to be on par or better than ice.
2023 Toyota Prius plug in!
Prius never had real AWD before - were those impractical? The puny 5HP rear motor for AWD-e on the current ones is a joke. Don’t tell me that’s important…
Storage space in a small car is a laughable requirement. It’s a small car… get a bigger car if you need more space.
Thanks for investing in the review. Which video did you do the bed cover range experiment?
Can you provide the link to that particular bed cover?
How is range affected with a high payload like a bed full of cement bags?
Thank you
6:33 This "THING" should be made standard to every EV if possible. Vehicle to Load/Grid or V2G.
It's no giant change in hardware and diodes on electrical boards. It's such a waste it's not bring done seriously, with a steep price entry.
Yeah it’s a relatively simple feature and drastically needed on more cars… right now it’s basically just the Lightning, Volt, and Outlander that have that tech in the US.
BUT it’s not as easy as just adding diodes… You need a powerful 120/240V inverter in the vehicle for V2L, and V2H / V2G requires your home to be wired for it too. It’s not just the BEV that needs an upgrade. You need to add a transfer switch and update the EV charge system for bidirectional power.
Again, this can all be done. But it’s not free - it’s several thousand dollars. Not everyone will pay for that, so it should not be standard but the option should be taken more seriously.
Rivian does have a frame. And it is unibody.
The Silverado ev should be simular to the rivian but larger.
On the Rivian. The frame rails are further apart then the Lightning. Giving it more room for batteries.
The redesigned Lightning will have more room for the batteries
A plug-in hybrid with 50 or so miles of range would be so much better practically for an ev truck. It's such a shame that it's battery pack is 2x the size of a base Tesla 3 yet gets similar range in real world driving. The goal for companies should be more ev's on the road and not the typical American bigger is a better solution mentality.
Alex, what brand is your bed cover?
I hate driving big pickups, but the F150 Lightning has me hopeful for what Ford does with the Maverick and Ranger.
It’s bonkers to me that a company from Michigan doesn’t put heat pumps on its EVs. Come on Ford.
What's sad is since he filmed this, the base trim went up in price again to ~$55k
My brother sold one like this a month ago and bought a normal F150. He told me that it was a good expensive toy, but not a good family truck at all…
Very helpful video. Thanks.
Elon announces the "Cybertruck". Since then, Ford has managed to design get a real electric truck to market.
Likely a very expensive, short range “boat anchor” if you live anywhere with cold weather.
Not really. How many miles is your daily commute?
@@Yihooni 58 each way - wonder if I could go more than a day or two without charging in cold weather? Then again, with a price of well over 100K, I could just buy a regular F150 as well as paying for the fuel for a few years.
Alex people know VERY very little about the plug in hybrids especially the a Mitsubishi Outlander. You could do sooooooo many videos about it. You would get sooo much content.
It sounds like a good review I would put a asterisk beside heat pump only EVs for people who live in real cold climates, they are great down around -22f (-30c) at which point they aren't as effective and need supplimental heat as some Tesla owners discover in Canada.
Note this isn't a EV problem but a physics issue, heat pump based home heating systems have the same limitation.
For northern use, EV vehicles will need to have some resistive heat to keep them functional in the extreme cold much the same as Diesel vehicles need supplimental heat to function properly in the -30 to -50 range.
As the great EK Echo would say: finance it for 120 mos at 18%.
@Alex on Autos, which cover did you use for bed? I just want to make sure mine will fit.
I agree that this truck isn't a fit for everybody but I find it humorous that so many are so butt hurt and whining about it.
It’s all part of the “entitlement generation”. If something isn’t perfect for me then it’s total junk and no one should buy it or even be able to by it.
I wonder how it compares to the Tesla Cyber Truck.
Hello Alex, what is your thoughts on upcoming Mazda CX90 plug-in hybrid as long term review vehicle
250-260 range at what speeds? 55 MPH or 75-80 (which is normal speeds these days). Running heat or AC at those speeds as well.
75-80 mph will introduce twice of air drag as 55 mph.
@@longochu8588 and much less range as well. P,us, there’s no multi speed transmission to reduce motor rpm.
Jesus dude. Pretty impressive single-handed attempt to counter Alex's review. Maybe another 30 posts and you'll get there.
If you don't like the truck, don't buy it.
@@sociopathmercenary it's a very valid question
@@darrengriffith9680 Didn't say it wasn't but the OP has probably 50 different posts in the comments complaining about the truck.
Isn’t there an extension package you could get, like metal brushed extending out from the underbody, that drags along a metal strip imbedded in the road that gives you unlimited range?
Wouldn't that be nice for long distance traveling.
Europe will be testing this soon: inductive charging lines embedded in the roads.
So seeing a lot of discussion on an F150 forum about the 10% range gain with the tonneau cover . . . is there a video on this?
FYI, I just got that EXACT truck - color and all buying dealer demo, WITH Ford roll up tonneau cover.
A neat engineering exercise. Completely unrealistic as a replacement for a gas F150 based on price, range, and slow recharge. Truck Of The Year according to paid marketing only.
Your assumptions are totally wrong as it was not built to replace anything. It is an option for those who can use it. That is why the gas and hybrid F150's are still being built and Ford announced no plans for the F250's and above as the battery power levels will not be there for a decade or more.
Say goodbye to the mis-aligned light bar on the drivers side
I hope the 2023 pickup truck of the year is given to a pickup truck and not a refrigerator.
Can’t be that long term. It’s still 2022. Interestingly, a lot of owners are already getting rid of these
Many owners likely had inflated expectations and thought this could fill all voids of what a half ton would be used for. It’s great but does have its specific niche in the marketplace.
Probably because they can sell them for profit on the used market
Selling for profit, and for reviewers, the trucks outlive their usefulness.
@@JohnCap523 Alex actually uses trucks though. A lot of actual owners were underwhelmed with the truck when it came with towing. And not that it’s cold in some states, the range is horrible
@@snacking5908 95% of light truck owners use their truck mostly as a car. Few actually tow anything and those who do know what to research. Alex double ordered and a decision was baked in months ago. That the truck lost out, doesn’t mean much. PS- I’d never own any Ford, so i am certainly not defending the truck.
Well done Alex.
NO 6.5 ft box is a deal breaker for my work related vehicle
I can't keep up with charging my Cell Phone, let alone the car. So I own a 2022 F150 Lariat full Hybrid 3.5L fully loaded truck, it came with 7.2Kw pro onboard power pack and it is an awesome truck no doubt.
Towing , cold temps and hot weather .... will cut range by a large percentage on the Lightning. EV's were suppose to be cheap .... most of them are not cheap!
I'd be interested in a long term Toyota Tacoma hybrid/plug-in hybrid when they come out. Been hearing the end of next year maybe? Or an electric Ranger if they get those out anytime soon.
Tacoma Hybrid was just teased. Late 2023 if not 2024.
Ranger hasn’t gotten any hybrid / electric treatment either, maybe 2024. Perhaps you meant Maverick?
For some reason I thought the GM Ultium chassis was aluminum based, is that not true?
Not true, since it's a unibody they need steel for strength.
@@heathwirt8919 is that known or just assumed? I know companies have been using aluminum intensive architecture in unibodies for some time now, VW/Audi specifically.
Well i looked but couldnt find a single mention of aluminum in any review or press releases (outside of aluminum in the battery cells). So i guess they're using mostly steel like you thought and would help explain the monstrous curb weights we've been seeing.
@@ALMX5DP The Hummer EV has also has a 212.7 kWh battery which weighs 2923 pounds. That's a huge battery.
@@heathwirt8919 exactly, paired with the new platform architecture I thought they would have wanted to try and shave weight in as many other places as possible.
It seems like a lot more automotive journalist are not in agreement with Motortrends truck of the year.
I think Alex here summed it up well. Haven’t been in one yet but it does seem to be a standout for this year just for the innovation it brings to the table.
@@ALMX5DP It a solid city/ town truck but the issue is doing actually truck related stuff it seems to fall short.
@@brokeboy87 sure like Alex said it does have its place but he did admire it for a variety of other reasons.
Motortrend anything of the year award goes to those who spend the most ad dollars
@@brokeboy87 For a significant part of the truck customer base doing car stuff in a truck” is what the want their truck to do.
Prices are increasing because it is a spoiled society here in the us, flipping cars like cellphones
Gone already? Did you do any videos on it?
Have you looked at both of Alex’s channels?
@@ATH_Berkshire no sir. Point me in the right direction? Thanks!
@@Bigbillyrayfan You’re a big boy I’m sure you can manage on your own.
@@ATH_Berkshire would’ve been faster to give the name of the channel. Thanks buddy!
IDK, I’m of the opinion that technology and infrastructure is still not there if your only vehicle is the EV. I tend to lean towards hybrids for efficiency and practicality and yes, I do have range anxiety.
As an owner of two Leaf’s since 2013 as my DD, you get used to the limited range. I’m of the opinion that EV full size trucks are a non starter because they really need a battery 3x the current size to be able to tow long distances. Ford should have electrified the Maverick or Ranger platform first.
@@bobbbobb4663
There are trade offs with ICE, hybrid, and EV. You have a good point on EV’s for larger trucks. Glad the Leaf worked out well for your needs.
@@EchoSigma6 Exactly. Pick the right tool for the job and EV only full-size trucks are only useful for light-duty use.
@@bobbbobb4663 If you watched one of the latest videos featuring an interview with Sandy Munro you would know that all of these battery issues will be moot by 2030 and after: improved battery chemistries and 1000+ mile range cars so trucks will follow quickly.
@@drakeil $andy Munro has zero credibility. First, he never graduated with an engineering degree. Second, he never disclosed that his trip to Vietnam was paid for by Vinfast, yet he proclaimed the panel gaps were perfect when they were obviously not on his own video. If you want to buy the answer you are seeking, $andy is your guy.
My son has a Ford Raptor, has bad cam phasers, a known factory defect. Recall won't cover it cos truck has over 100K miles. DON'T BUY FORD.
Would your thoughts and opinions of this particular truck also apply to the standard range? My truck will be a standard range. I drive almost exclusively local. My only worry is I could be buying an already outdated technology in the standard range.
I have an extended range platinum, which, because of its extra weight, hasn't ever achieved the rated 300-mile range stated. I believe a standard range battery with a lighter truck will do as well in comparison. Expect to see a significant range drop in colder weather. I've seen as low as 1.6 miles per kwh with mine at 19 degrees. I'm expecting even less when it reaches single digits. You will have 98 kwh battery, and if charged to the recommended 80% SOC, it will drop to about 78.4 kwh.
If your winter driving dropped your range to 1.6 miles per kwh, like mine has, you'll still get about 125 miles on a charge. It's relatively easy to calculate all this. 98 x .8 = 78.4
78.4 x 1.6 = 125.44.
Since you have the SR battery and you charge at home with the 240 v mobile charger, you can figure out about 6 kw per hour charge. Example: if you used half of the 78.4 kwh (39.2 kwh), it would take approximately 39.2÷6 = 6.5 hours to charge your truck back to 80% SOC. That should be a relatively accurate number because I've already figured in the loss from your 7200-watt charger.
These numbers are close proximity estimates. These are still great vehicles as long as they are used locally and charged at home. Another tip you may see that range be cut in half again if you are towing, just something to keep in mind.
I still love this truck and all its capabilities.
@@pstoneking3418 That’s fantastic information. Very much appreciated. This will be my first EV so I have some learning to do. And I have a little anxiety. But I don’t tow and my commute to work is 7.5 miles on a 50 mph road. Most traffic flows around 60/65. But that’s really the longest drive I do everyday. Home Depot is 2 miles from home. The dump about 5 miles. The Jersey Shore about 5 miles. And, best of all. There’s currently a 110 outlet really close to where I park at work. I’m working on getting a nema 14-50 installed so I can fully charge on my employer’s dime.
@@paulavenoso899You’re the ideal EV driver then. You won’t need even 10% of the battery most days, and just charge it when you feel like it. You won’t need to charge often.
I put in my reservation for an F150 lightning at probably the last possible moment before they closed (late Nov 2021). Today I got an email from Ford that I should be able to order my truck Summer of 2023, the last possible date is August 2023 for the 2023 model year.
@@gf98252oh yeah? Well I had a deposit in 1492 and Henry Fords great great great grandma promised me I’d have mine before you.
Grocery getting, Show truck. For people that love renting from the 🏦 bank. With forever payments
Just received new order pricing page for F150 lightning Pro shows price is now "Starting price is $55,000 plus !600 shipping charge!
So much for that affordable entry f150 lightning lol remember it was supposed to start $39,000 or so... lol
does it have that thing where it can tell you the closest public charging area or unit
Electric range is miserable and it’s too expensive, ev technology is just not ready yet, diehard ev fans can have there under 4 second 0-60 mph back, most people are not ready to own an ev and neither is our charging infrastructure
That is stupid and $81,000 but there going to make more in 2023 that just going to sit there in there lot because no one is going to afford it. You did mention that electric bill on top of that.
I don't quite understand how this is your truck of the year if the one thing a truck is supposed to excel at, towing, this is is terrible.
BMW x5e
230 Volt in the bed used for what..lol
A lot of power tools require 240V.
The point of that system (which is in the gas model too) is to set up on a remote job site and have power.
Also, RVs and campers need 240V.
@@FuncleChuck Please name a power tool you would run from the back of this truck thats 240volts. I can't think of any.
Wow, that was what you consider a “long-term” purchase? 🤔 Interesting.
Yes. He got the experience of buying and owning the car, like anyone who would own one.
Normal car reviews are a few hours, maybe a few days. Hardly enough to comment on living with the vehicle. They don’t have to deal with the dealership, maintenance, or even refueling it half the time.
Glad it has a good tow rating but can only tow about 85 miles b4 charging. Ya No thanks
Comparing the Lightning weight to the Hummer EV is dumb. For starters the Hummer is 6.7" wider. The Lightnings competitor is the Silverado EV. Regarding efficiency, Hummer has knobby off road tires. Lightning street tires. 4 Krist sake.
I think the Hyundai Ioniq 5 will rise to the top of the heap, how about buying one of those for long term? Great videos Alex
He already has an EV6 which is almost the exact car
@@garrettw99 Oh Yeah. forgot about that one
By the title, only people who get paid to say “truck of the year” will say that
Theoretical range doesn't cut it
Theories don’t extend anyone’s range :) lol
When will you release the poll results about a phev cuv/suv from last week? Don't be like Elon musk's polls lol.
No bots here 🤖
LOL - -$89,000-? - - this thing will not tow or haul for any kind of range - - - -useless
Really? Truck of the year? The EV marketing hype is relentless trying to convince people they want one. Other reviewers like hoovie showed the flaws and seemed happy to move on from it.
The only drawback is range when towing. What other problem is there?
The large frunk, the quiet ride, the fastest F150 ever made, saving time at the pump by filling up at home, all so annoying.
@@garrettw99 Read the reviews. Range, even when NOT towing its a little more than 200 at 80 MPH highway speeds. Range is JOB ONE when it comes to pickups.
@@alexnutcasio936 there are a lot of truck drivers that don’t need more than 200 miles of range. I’d argue most fleet trucks don’t need that much range. Also no one said this is the truck for everyone
It’s a truck that sucks at doing truck things like towing or hauling stuff. Range is drastically reduced when towing or in the cold. I guess it could be said that hey I don’t tow or haul anything so that’s fine, but then if that’s the case, what’s the point of spending huge $$$ on this thing when you can get an EV car if you are dead-set on an EV.
Spending 80k on a truck and that also by financing is the worst financial mistake you can make
This is in no way the truck of the year. It's basically a toy that can take you places. If you want to do real truck stuff, this is not the one for you.
Canceled my order after outrageous price increases.
90,000 Dollar golf cart....No thanks.
Sorry. You're bowing low to the Green Goddess cancel culture.
A base F150 XL crew cab 4wd FX4 with the 2.7T for less than half the price is a superior vehicle. As is the Maverick base hybrid.
In CA 200 freeway mi on 90 kWh cost about $36 on current PGE Tier 2 homeowner rates. Fast charge rates are similar. At 70 mph, you nap for an hour for every three of driving. WoooWee! You'll arrive as the most rested driver in the caravan.
A 2.7 ICE F150 4wd at 22 mpg at 70 mph will use 9 gallons in 200 mi for $40 -$45. For 8 bucks you get there an hour sooner for every 200 mi you travel. A 36 gallon tank will break your bladder. This while paying $500 per mo less in truck payments and $100 less in insurance.
Around town the EV is lots cheaper to fuel and can charge at home. But around town a Prius or Maverick will serve even better.
For most, now that the Fed has ended the CoViD handout flood, money matters. In the new post CoViD economy, these expensive vanity vehicles are for those few who earn much more than they need.
For the rest of us, Money matters. Not sure the economics of EVs will be sustainable in anything but Bolt-priced vehicles. Look for hybrids to dominate
85 thousand dollars for, what?
the fact I can power my house in case of power outage?
i have a generator I used 2 times in 10yeats.
250 miles of range? would anybody buy this that doesn't work around town?????
imaging the range towing!?
ford is a dead company walking....
Standard Gas powered truck you get 300miles (unless extended fuel tank) and when towing it’s less. It doesn’t fit everyone’s lifestyle I don’t know why people cry about it.
@@lgmisfit10 and...
can fillup in 8 minutes.
cost tens pf thousands less.
and your own towing numbers for the ford ev compared to a v8?
and I am a bit forgetful of the towing /weight payload of the ev vs the reg f 150.
unless something spectacular was done to the chassis the battery weight of the ev must effect payload.
and in not, why would ford not use the newest chassis on the regular f 150????
It's a turd in the cold weather. Lots of videos out there now showing this. Every single truck you tuber is selling their Lightning's now
1. How many RUclipsrs do you know?
2. People sell their evs after a year of ownership because you can sell it for what you bought it for, and claim the federal tax credit.
3. I am on my third one in three years. I made money on each vehicle.
Yeah no thanks too expensive, range sucks, can’t handle cold weather, needs more people to buy this next year so more problems can be discovered and remedied in the future
Good youre dumping it. Honestly the longer time goes on, the more we see what a poorly engineered, cobbled together POS this truck is. And that is before you consider the $20K price increase we saw in just one year. Long recharge times, losing half your range when towing or it's "cold" (35 degrees) out, Ford saying to use seat heaters and the heated steering wheel rather than the heater when it's cold and then removing the heated steering wheel for 2023. It's clear that Ford never took this fake lightning seriously and the result is a staggeringly bad vehicle.
your logic with selling your truck is laughable, how about hold on to your cars for more than 3 months like 99% of normal people
RUclipsrs make enough off the ads to pay these down really fast.....so basically we pay for their payments lol
He buys them to test and report on then sells them to acquire something else. That's what he does for a living, get it?
He’s an automotive journalist, not a regular customer.
In other words neither the Lightning or Rivian are worth having got it