The reason that I hated this episode is that they changed cat noir's personality If you will study or read his personality, you will realise that The whole thing cat noir did "me and ladybug are like this" is so out of his character He is not jealous, and he CLEARLY never does anything on purpose that could hurt someone's feelings He is even so nice to Chloe and Lila and that's a proof of it
Yeah. True. However I'll let it pass considering Theo was crushing on a minor. Which is disgusting. What Cat did to get Theo angry may have not been smart. But it was definitely a good move to keep Theo the creep away.
Oh wow, I didn't even think about that, but you're absolutely right. He would never confront Theo the way he did! I just love contrivances for the sake of the nonsensical plot. /s
I was just making a joke about how the writers force characters to do things they would never do for the sake of the plot, and how much I love (sarcasm, I actually hate) it. Sorry for not being clear!
I had not realized that Alya was the instigator on the whole phone thing. From stuff I've read, Theo is not much older than Ladybug, maybe like two years.
I hadn't either until I rewatched it for this video 😂 They're both insane. 😅 Guess that's why they're friends. Yes, Thomas Astruc did say he's 16-18 years old, but I believe that was a retcon, and I'll explain why: I can't imagine a minor receiving a contract to create a statue for ANY city park (nevermind the fact that this is not a small city, this is frickin' PARIS, and would have plenty of adult sculptors with more experience,) so he's gotta be at least 18, and as Mari is 13 at the start of the show, I believe Thomas Astruc retconned his age because the fans pointed out how weird it was. That, and he doesn't look like like the rest of the teenagers in the show, definitely appearing more like an adult. So essentially, when this episode came out, Theo was meant to be an adult, and that is . . . well, you get it. 😅 I mean, even if I'm generous and he is 16 years old, his minimim age according to Astruc, and Marinette is 13 . . . that's still wrong, idc if they're both minors. For context, he would be 18 while she's still 15. That's illegal where I'm from, although I don't know about France's laws on the matter. Sorry for the long reply, I'm a bit of a nerd if you can't tell. I thought about this a lot before including the sin so I'm glad I get the chance to write it out. 😂
I feel like it is probably a retcon. At least in seasons 1 and 2 he is always seen working, even during school hours. In America, this would mean that he is no longer legally required to be in school, so he would have to be 18. I know France has a different system and you can stop attending school at 16, but I feel like they would be aware of the way this would be understood by other countries who don't have this system(like America and some parts of Canada) and address it if they intended for him to be as young as 16-18
@@officialmiraculoussinswell, you could argue that Theo didn’t know that Ladybug was a minor. I mean their identities are unknown towards the public, so how would he know how old she is. That’s what I always assumed.
@officialmiraculoussins yeah I actually checked the miraculous wiki back then in season 1 he was around 21-24 years old. The excuse was that since ladybug secret identity is unknown, she could have been an adult in Theos standpoint. Fans didn't agree and so Thomas retconned it
@@officialmiraculoussins As far as I know the age of consent is 15 in France. We could say that he didn't know that LB was a minor (as far as he or anyone could've known back then she was immortal or something idk if Pharaoh came out before this ep). Then later he was seen with Mireille (black hair girl from Stormy Weather) in Pixelator. She's prob a minor too. EDIT: Pharaoh came out later.
So… the fact that he likes ladybug isn’t like he didn’t know that he’s a teenager. He obviously knew it was a teenager. Hawkmoth literally said they’re a teenager so obviously any normal person well normal and their standards could see that that is a teenager. SO THATS MEANS A 30 OLD MAN HAD A CRUSH ON A TEEGNAGER. Yeah, that makes total sense
I remember somebody saying theo was 19.... And lady bug is 13 in this episode. I don't think he knows how old she is, but I find it odd that hawk moth knows they are teens, ladybug and chat noir know they are teens, yet in Pharaoh eps , nobody knew their ages. But this dude never met this girl before, and falls in love Immediately.... That's so odd. Plagg had to be the best part of this episode though
I swear when I rewatched this episode when I got older and I was able to understand things. This espisode felt very different from when I watched it as a kid😭😭
discovering ur channel was a blessing its something i never knew i needed. also love that finally someone other then me points out chat noir is literally a creep and harasses ladybug because she says to stop on so many occasions!! fandom is also blind
his father sent him to London and he is afraid of abandonment so when she gave miraculous’s to her friends because she was afraid of chat blanc he started to get depressed so I don’t blame him for not being a huge help to ladybug(not to mention he tried to help but kept getting shut down by ladybug)but also in some episodes he was supporting ladybug and was a big help with fighting supervillains but in the last episode he had cameras all over his room by his father so he gave his miraculous to plagg since he knew if he got akumatised he would give his miraculous to hawkmoth so yeah I don’t blame him for not being useful ( sorry for my English it’s that I haven’t slept for a whole day)
I noticed, I just didn't want to cut to a previous shot when there was a good shot of him later. The sin was more about how Nino never takes off his hat, and how he never should again.
I just released when ladybug says how many pads do you have when it zooms out of Cat Noir’s it shows ALL 5 PADS! HE CLEARLY HAD 1 MINUTE LEFT! Also add this sin, time moves faster when they have all 5 minutes after they used their power. But when they have 1 minute left, time is so slow! Like it can last for like 5 minutes!
3:13 I don’t think he’s a pedo because in context of the miraculous world no one knows ladybug is a teenager but yea without the context of this world it’s definitely creepy
00:28 ok no actual question: how does she NOT have his number? speaking as someone who also had a set class/classmates, do they not have a whatsapp group or something...? or did they just not add adrien when he first arrived?
Regular Show did a plot like this, but much better. Rigby hires a guy to do his work as he wants to run for a meatball sub, only for the guy to disguise as Rigby himself. The difference? Rigby faces the consequences of his actions and it’s made clear had Rigby opted to do his work, none of this would happen. And everyone spells it out to him.
to make adrien a little less insufferable, i just think that, since after transformation they're more similar to tikki and plagg, their personalities kind of fuse together and adrien/cat noir being creepy is more just plagg not knowing boundaries
I think Cat Noir's Cataclysm only works if the palm of his hand comes into contact with something. Granted, I've never seen it work with the back of his hand, so what do I know?
lol in the french dub, cat noir and copycat have the same voice, making it even more logical but since Copycat’s tone is way slyer than Cat’s, we ACTUALLY can identify who’s the real one in the french dub
@officialmiraculoussins I was actually unsure before, but I think Nathaniel and Marinette might work as a ship. It has a good chance. 👍 Your Evillustrator video definitely convinced me.
@@officialmiraculoussins I'm actually very bummed that Nathaniel didn't end up with Marinette, a love triangle perhaps. Adrien is too good for Marinette.
Ah, Copycat. Unironically one of my favorite episodes. also, 3:16 i have to defend the dude because nobody knows ladybug & chat noir's ages also also: yay, there weren't many sins here!! im glad :3
@@morriyoutube5110 That's neat part, I don't (looking at you Reflekta) But we do learn at a few points during the series that the cataclysm is in the ring specifically and not the general hand or whatever It's just more dings for the sin count
That could be the case, but Copycat used Cat Noir's voice up until Ladybug exposes him the first time, so it seems like he can switch between the two and just . . . doesn't? Or at the very least they didn't have a problem with them using the same voice before that.
I also wondered what would happen if copycats 'transformation' ended?? Would he just go back to being a boy or would he get a free refill? usualy when hawkmoth gives somebody powers like Volpina they get infinite use then why the heck was his ring flashing lol
I think nothing would happen, and I also think the countdown is just there so he can fool Ladybug easier. If his ring didn't count down after using a cataclysm, it would be a dead giveaway that he's not the real Cat Noir. Since he used it after she already knew, it didn't end up mattering, but I believe that's why.
I mean people use the excuse that 'he didn't know that she was a 13 y/o :(' but like ethire Tomas is making fun of his countries capital city or all prasians are blind and deth
At 3:57 you say that it’s impossible for her to draw that fast but Marinette is a fashion designer and it’s been proven multiple times in the show that she is a good drawer so for everyone not figuring out who ladybug is is dumb
1:26 am I the only one wondering why they don't just delete the message from her phone, either marinette and alya are idiots, the writers are idiots or whoever made that phones an idiot.
Are you talking about the video length? The title refers to the sin timer, as in the actual length I spend sinning the video, which begins once the title card ends and stop once the last ding is sounded. This one was exactly 5 minutes, maybe a millisecond or so off.
I think Cat Noir's Cataclysm only works if the palm of his hand comes into contact with something. Granted, I've never seen it work with the back of his hand, so what do I know?
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Wait wait, SHE IS RIGHT, that statue never NEVER shows up again 😭😭
Poor Theo, went through all that trouble for nothing. 😂
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And they make the statue of Gabriel in its place in the end of season 5 nice one animators😂
@@jaming01 This will probably go away too
@@gryficowa Doubtful. Nobody will forget that disaster. And I don't just mean the statue.
My favorite part is.. "**breathes in Sally** Nino... where's your hat 😭😭😭"
He looks so weird without it!
Thats fair :D@@officialmiraculoussins
I thought she just forgot he put it in the yellow container
@@оІІәН that yellow container is his bag
@@officialmiraculoussinswelp better get used to it, because he stops wearing it pretty much all the time in later seasons
If you ever think your useless, remember that statue
I can never unsee Nino without a hat now that you pointed it out, thanks
You're so welcome. >;)
The reason that I hated this episode is that they changed cat noir's personality
If you will study or read his personality, you will realise that The whole thing cat noir did "me and ladybug are like this" is so out of his character
He is not jealous, and he CLEARLY never does anything on purpose that could hurt someone's feelings
He is even so nice to Chloe and Lila and that's a proof of it
Yeah. True. However I'll let it pass considering Theo was crushing on a minor. Which is disgusting. What Cat did to get Theo angry may have not been smart. But it was definitely a good move to keep Theo the creep away.
@@DFeligamiAdrizoeSworaDennisFan yeah agreed 👍
Oh wow, I didn't even think about that, but you're absolutely right. He would never confront Theo the way he did!
I just love contrivances for the sake of the nonsensical plot. /s
@@officialmiraculoussins i didn't understand the second paragraph
But thanks for the first one
I was just making a joke about how the writers force characters to do things they would never do for the sake of the plot, and how much I love (sarcasm, I actually hate) it. Sorry for not being clear!
I had not realized that Alya was the instigator on the whole phone thing.
From stuff I've read, Theo is not much older than Ladybug, maybe like two years.
I hadn't either until I rewatched it for this video 😂 They're both insane. 😅 Guess that's why they're friends.
Yes, Thomas Astruc did say he's 16-18 years old, but I believe that was a retcon, and I'll explain why: I can't imagine a minor receiving a contract to create a statue for ANY city park (nevermind the fact that this is not a small city, this is frickin' PARIS, and would have plenty of adult sculptors with more experience,) so he's gotta be at least 18, and as Mari is 13 at the start of the show, I believe Thomas Astruc retconned his age because the fans pointed out how weird it was. That, and he doesn't look like like the rest of the teenagers in the show, definitely appearing more like an adult. So essentially, when this episode came out, Theo was meant to be an adult, and that is . . . well, you get it. 😅
I mean, even if I'm generous and he is 16 years old, his minimim age according to Astruc, and Marinette is 13 . . . that's still wrong, idc if they're both minors. For context, he would be 18 while she's still 15. That's illegal where I'm from, although I don't know about France's laws on the matter.
Sorry for the long reply, I'm a bit of a nerd if you can't tell. I thought about this a lot before including the sin so I'm glad I get the chance to write it out. 😂
I feel like it is probably a retcon. At least in seasons 1 and 2 he is always seen working, even during school hours. In America, this would mean that he is no longer legally required to be in school, so he would have to be 18. I know France has a different system and you can stop attending school at 16, but I feel like they would be aware of the way this would be understood by other countries who don't have this system(like America and some parts of Canada) and address it if they intended for him to be as young as 16-18
@@officialmiraculoussinswell, you could argue that Theo didn’t know that Ladybug was a minor. I mean their identities are unknown towards the public, so how would he know how old she is. That’s what I always assumed.
@officialmiraculoussins yeah I actually checked the miraculous wiki back then in season 1 he was around 21-24 years old.
The excuse was that since ladybug secret identity is unknown, she could have been an adult in Theos standpoint.
Fans didn't agree and so Thomas retconned it
@@officialmiraculoussins As far as I know the age of consent is 15 in France. We could say that he didn't know that LB was a minor (as far as he or anyone could've known back then she was immortal or something idk if Pharaoh came out before this ep). Then later he was seen with Mireille (black hair girl from Stormy Weather) in Pixelator. She's prob a minor too.
EDIT: Pharaoh came out later.
Shit this is way too iconic to exist
I’m laughing so hard, I can’t breathe 😧
I hope I will be invited to your funeral. R.I.P. XD
Same 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
So… the fact that he likes ladybug isn’t like he didn’t know that he’s a teenager. He obviously knew it was a teenager. Hawkmoth literally said they’re a teenager so obviously any normal person well normal and their standards could see that that is a teenager. SO THATS MEANS A 30 OLD MAN HAD A CRUSH ON A TEEGNAGER. Yeah, that makes total sense
Yeah . . . It's . . . weird.
@@officialmiraculoussinsI know Cat Noir isn't the best in this episode. But telling off a creep at least is a good thing to do.
fr LadyBug is 14 and Theo....... HE IS LIKE OH IDK 30 OR 19 WHYYYYYY FOR KIDSSSSSS
Pretty sure paris law is different
I remember somebody saying theo was 19.... And lady bug is 13 in this episode. I don't think he knows how old she is, but I find it odd that hawk moth knows they are teens, ladybug and chat noir know they are teens, yet in Pharaoh eps , nobody knew their ages.
But this dude never met this girl before, and falls in love Immediately.... That's so odd.
Plagg had to be the best part of this episode though
no ladybug is 14
ladybug is 14 in this ep and turns 15 in her bday ep
@@krisdodson-zs5xt I remember Thomas saying she started off as 13
ohh okay@@JustAHarmlessSoph
@@lachieschuber8439she turns 14 in the befana episode (not sure how to spell it but the ep where her grandma visits)
I swear when I rewatched this episode when I got older and I was able to understand things. This espisode felt very different from when I watched it as a kid😭😭
Right?! I didn't realize how weird it was when I first watched it either.
True true
Cat was so out of character when talking to Theo that I actually thought he was Copycat when I first watched the show.
discovering ur channel was a blessing its something i never knew i needed. also love that finally someone other then me points out chat noir is literally a creep and harasses ladybug because she says to stop on so many occasions!! fandom is also blind
At least Pokemon Chat Noir is actually more useful than current season 5 CN, stored safely in a pokedex wasting his potential away.
his father sent him to London and he is afraid of abandonment so when she gave miraculous’s to her friends because she was afraid of chat blanc he started to get depressed so I don’t blame him for not being a huge help to ladybug(not to mention he tried to help but kept getting shut down by ladybug)but also in some episodes he was supporting ladybug and was a big help with fighting supervillains but in the last episode he had cameras all over his room by his father so he gave his miraculous to plagg since he knew if he got akumatised he would give his miraculous to hawkmoth so yeah I don’t blame him for not being useful ( sorry for my English it’s that I haven’t slept for a whole day)
@@ilyms_xAnd then ladybug forgave a terrorist. Ugh. Someone please get Adrien a better life. Because Marinette didn't make it better.
The statue is so cool I wish it was in the show again. I love this episode.
Yeah, I think the statue is great, but apparently the fans and the animators didn't think so!
4:16 nino took his hat off
I noticed, I just didn't want to cut to a previous shot when there was a good shot of him later. The sin was more about how Nino never takes off his hat, and how he never should again.
@@officialmiraculoussins ikr
I find this episode twice as hilarious with your comentary.
Aw thank you!
I just released when ladybug says how many pads do you have when it zooms out of Cat Noir’s it shows ALL 5 PADS! HE CLEARLY HAD 1 MINUTE LEFT! Also add this sin, time moves faster when they have all 5 minutes after they used their power. But when they have 1 minute left, time is so slow! Like it can last for like 5 minutes!
4:16 that’s when he took off his hat
Oh no, I saw it happen, I just hated it.
3:29
Finally someone agrees
But this moment was so funny
4:45
I'm glad you thought it was funny. Looking back, I'm kind of cringing XD But if it made someone happy, then it was worth it.
2:47 I’m sorry who in stone heart ,who saved him ,and defeated stone heart and ,who de-evilised all the akumas’; they certainly have big brains😂😂😂
HONESTLY, the NERVE! XD
3:13 I don’t think he’s a pedo because in context of the miraculous world no one knows ladybug is a teenager but yea without the context of this world it’s definitely creepy
I agree, also bcs she’s also pretty mature yknow, since she’s a superhero
4:26 that reaction is priceless
It's funny that when she says ladybug is playing pokemon it's that catnior voice actor has voiced several pokemon characters
If hawk moth can copy super heroes and powers why does he need the Miraculous
Honestly, very good point.
Fr why don't he just "I am hawk moth I give you the power of resurrection now please resurrect my wife I miss her so much"
00:28 ok no actual question: how does she NOT have his number? speaking as someone who also had a set class/classmates, do they not have a whatsapp group or something...? or did they just not add adrien when he first arrived?
Regular Show did a plot like this, but much better.
Rigby hires a guy to do his work as he wants to run for a meatball sub, only for the guy to disguise as Rigby himself. The difference? Rigby faces the consequences of his actions and it’s made clear had Rigby opted to do his work, none of this would happen. And everyone spells it out to him.
As an artist I'll let y'all know that artists can really draw that fast
3:17 The way your voice matches the scene so well is actually scary
to make adrien a little less insufferable, i just think that, since after transformation they're more similar to tikki and plagg, their personalities kind of fuse together and adrien/cat noir being creepy is more just plagg not knowing boundaries
I think Cat Noir's Cataclysm only works if the palm of his hand comes into contact with something. Granted, I've never seen it work with the back of his hand, so what do I know?
'Everything Wrong With Copycat in 5 minutes or less"
the video is 5 minutes and 34 seconds 💀
The title refers to the sin timer, which begins when the title sequence ends and stops at the last ding.
@@officialmiraculoussins Oh ok
The only Miraculous Ladybug episode where Sally didn't show her avatar throughout the entire video...
lol in the french dub, cat noir and copycat have the same voice, making it even more logical but since Copycat’s tone is way slyer than Cat’s, we ACTUALLY can identify who’s the real one in the french dub
That's so much better!
istg Nino looks somehow bald without his hat
0:51 PUT THE VID ON .25 SPEED AND WATCH ALYA😂😂😂
ITS 5 AM WHEN IM WATCHING THIS😭
I don't think Alya having his number is weird, depending on the context. I wish they had context.
…I was wondering when she’d mention the pedophilia… I can’t believe I’ve been watching this for 4 years and didn’t notice until a month ago.
Nino where is your hat 😭😭
Yeah that whole liking ladybug thing was always weird for me
3:02 I think the cataclysm only works on things that he touches with his palm, so copycat would probably be fine with grabbing the back of his hand
Dog I I’m not watched miraculous ladybug in years but now I want to watch it again because of this and I don’t know why
Fr miraculous grunts are way to exaggerated even when they're walking they grunt
Marinette doesn't feel Love for Adrien because how she acts is very punch drunk and that's a symptom of Lust.
I agree with this completely. They hardly know each other, there's no way she could be in love with him.
@officialmiraculoussins I was actually unsure before, but I think Nathaniel and Marinette might work as a ship.
It has a good chance. 👍 Your Evillustrator video definitely convinced me.
Yesss, join the dark side, mwahahahha! 😂
@@officialmiraculoussins I'm actually very bummed that Nathaniel didn't end up with Marinette, a love triangle perhaps.
Adrien is too good for Marinette.
@@officialmiraculoussins Thanks again for your videos
One time i saw a person do a slideshow based on this episode playing Teacher's Pet in the background ☺️
Ah, Copycat. Unironically one of my favorite episodes.
also, 3:16 i have to defend the dude because nobody knows ladybug & chat noir's ages
also also: yay, there weren't many sins here!! im glad :3
5:14 lmao
The cataclysm didn't kill because you have to touch the ring not the hand
So in former episodes he cataclysms stuff with one finger and that’s not the ring finger? How do you explain that?!
@@morriyoutube5110 That's neat part, I don't (looking at you Reflekta)
But we do learn at a few points during the series that the cataclysm is in the ring specifically and not the general hand or whatever
It's just more dings for the sin count
3:38 BuT qUantUm MasKInG
2:21 wasn’t he in Antibug? Chloe said he was “ew” or sum idk.. correct me if im wrong
3:39
I think it’s for us to distinct from them. In-universe, they sound alike.
That could be the case, but Copycat used Cat Noir's voice up until Ladybug exposes him the first time, so it seems like he can switch between the two and just . . . doesn't? Or at the very least they didn't have a problem with them using the same voice before that.
That's so scary 😭
I also wondered what would happen if copycats 'transformation' ended?? Would he just go back to being a boy or would he get a free refill? usualy when hawkmoth gives somebody powers like Volpina they get infinite use then why the heck was his ring flashing lol
I think nothing would happen, and I also think the countdown is just there so he can fool Ladybug easier. If his ring didn't count down after using a cataclysm, it would be a dead giveaway that he's not the real Cat Noir. Since he used it after she already knew, it didn't end up mattering, but I believe that's why.
MIRACULOUS ISN'T MIRACULOUS WITHOUT SINS
Maybe Thats Why its popular:)....
19? Wow, this is a better episode than I thought!
3:31 No she isn't.
4:15
HE TOOK IT OFF-
I saw him take it off, I just hate seeing him without it.
they’re probably just mistakes, or want to do it their style?
Loved the video btw idk if you realized this, but in 4:15, Nino took his at off so it wasn't an animation error or anything
I mean people use the excuse that 'he didn't know that she was a 13 y/o :(' but like ethire Tomas is making fun of his countries capital city or all prasians are blind and deth
At 3:57 you say that it’s impossible for her to draw that fast but Marinette is a fashion designer and it’s been proven multiple times in the show that she is a good drawer so for everyone not figuring out who ladybug is is dumb
Yes I can confirm my friends used to say I draw so fast Marinette is an artist
1:26 am I the only one wondering why they don't just delete the message from her phone, either marinette and alya are idiots, the writers are idiots or whoever made that phones an idiot.
Everything Wrong With Copycat in 5 minutes or less "or more"
Are you talking about the video length? The title refers to the sin timer, as in the actual length I spend sinning the video, which begins once the title card ends and stop once the last ding is sounded. This one was exactly 5 minutes, maybe a millisecond or so off.
least amount of sins?????
Arrest Theo 😿😿😿
Cheese 🧀🧀🧀🧀
uhhh this isnt mandela catalogue volume 6
Cat noirs cataclysm forms on the palm we all seen it.
I thought of early 30s
Ladybug is like 12 years old 💀
Exodus 20 Leviticus 11 Matthew 6.please.repent.from all of your sins
What?
@@JustAHarmlessSoph I'm saying to read these chapters
@@Lolirock971 Oh, but why do you post it on all her videos?
@@JustAHarmlessSoph so people who only click on one video will see it
@@Lolirock971You are literally called Lolirock, I don't think you have any moral ground to start preaching
3:29...I...hate...her
4:26 - 😂
I think Cat Noir's Cataclysm only works if the palm of his hand comes into contact with something. Granted, I've never seen it work with the back of his hand, so what do I know?