My soldiers rage, my soldiers scream, my soldiers fight Dub vs Sub
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Sub is just on a whole new level. But Erwin’s dub voice is probably the best voice in the whole dub.
Exactly 😌
There are only some moments where dub is perfecto but this doesn't mean that u watch the whole for just some moments and everytime sub is awesome ✌️
I mean the transaction in the dub for this scene by itself is just undeniably better. They actually rewrote it to be more poetic in the Dub. The subs more direct translation was not as emotional.
Sub is good first time I liked an anime with both dub and sub but aot has better dub lines like when Erwin got bit by a titan and he's screams"I SAID ADVANCE GOD DAMMIT" and in sub he's like" advance erens is up there advance"
the german erwin is very good
Respect for both voice actors 📈📈📈📈📈📈📈
Erwin solos the multivers with those words
@@indiraindhu6621 lol 😂
That bold "THEY WERE NOT!" and that long vowel shout at the "MY SOLDIERS RAAAAAGE!!" is giving me goosebumps, it fits very well as well as it is immersive... On the other hand, the japanese voiced also very good
YESSSSSS
they both slap equally as hard lets just be real here
they both obviously poured their heart and soul into delivering these lines and i am eternally grateful
both actors went all out
They decided that this day would be a day that will be written in the saga's and songs. People will remember it. Even when the actors are long gone. They will remember it.
The tiny bit of fear/anguish mixed in when he says "my soldiers push FORWARD." Best dub moment ever.
Ye for me too
And then he goes full beast mode when he gets to RAGEEeE!!!
@@jimmythe-gent gotta love J Michael Tatum
I like dub more, means more emotion that I can understand what he is saying without having to read subtitles
But the TATAKAEEEE, at the end is still unbeatable
True that
you have a problem buddy
@@mihaimercenarul7467 because he likes dub more?
@@mihaimercenarul7467 the fact you’ve had to comment this means you have the problem :)
@@kari5423 he has a problem if he thinks reading is hard lol
I like the dub better, but at the same time, I liked the “TATAKAEE” at the end of the sub speech because it directly connects Erwin’s ideals to Eren’s ideals.
@Ahmad Yar Khan
I never said they had the same ideals I just said that the “tatakae” at the end of Erwin’s speech connects them. Erwin’s being more noble while Eren’s are obviously a lot more twisted.
@@counterzero2377 how did he even get that from you saying you liked tatakae 😭
@@mercury_icarus Forreal, man got mad off the rip 😭
@@LightDarkLX bro was ready to die 😭 behind this
@@counterzero2377 tatakae is a Japanese word for fight,eren doesn't own that word and there is no connection with them here🤦♂️
Judging from Tone of Voice only:
Japanese Erwin sounds very self-assured. That is not a bad thing. But that's about all I can say of his performance.
However, English Erwin has hints of doubt and animosity in his voice, which adds to the complexity of his character and the honesty of their hopeless situation, and in the, it highlights the sheer bravery of himself and in every single soldier in his command.
Dub Erwin also sounds very self assured. When he’s screaming as he travels forward, his facial expression does not match how straight forward his tone is; in the Japanese, you actually hear his voice crack
@@XGoken 💀
Imo the Japanese one fits better as he has to act fearless into battle but there is a change in pitch when it shows them on horses conveying the panic
@@btbtm5189 no
@@websdontmatter5631 good argument bro I really got some good insight from that comment
The way J. Michael Tatum delivers this speech gives me chills every time. You can hear how defeated he feels. Not only is he convincing his soldiers to give up their dreams and lay down their lives for the cause, but he’s also convincing himself that it’s what needs to be done. I don’t exactly feel the same conviction from the sub actor, but you can tell sub Erwin is a fighter 💪🏼
Daisuks Ono's version gives chills as well, but Tatum is just better
In my opinion this is one of those time that the English dub sounds way better for anime speeches, I mostly think it’s cause I actually understand without needing to read and will feel more emotional for it rather than if I just read with background vocals.
For me it’s also the fact they add an echo to his voice, so it sounds like you’re following a soldier and hear him from afar.
For me there’s just way to many words in the Japanese
@Static Gaming no the dub is way better
I disagree sub is still far superior because of the last word choices used by dub.
@Static Gaming Lol he didnt say it wasn't emotional in sub...he said he felt more emotional in dub. Stop being salty sub elitist
Seeing as the emotion of both voice actors is astoundingly well done, it comes down to which version has the better dialogue. If the English subtitles in the Japanese version are accurate, then I think English dub proves to be superior for a couple of reasons. The first part of both speeches are relatively the same, but it's once the subject of remembering the fallen allies come into play where I think the Dub begins to pull ahead. The final part of the speech is, in my opinion, where the Dub truly shines.
It's really the below finishing lines where I think the Dub proves its superiority over the Sub, which I've listed below.
English Dub:
Their lives have meaning, because we the living refuse to forget them! - The refusal to forget makes this the stronger claim.
And as we ride to certain death, we trust our successors to do the same for us! - The reason why they trust their successors is because of the following line.
Because my soldiers do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world. - Regardless of the enemy, there is no room for giving up, no matter the odds.
My soldiers push forward!
My soldiers scream out!
My soldiers rage!
The above is a perfect succession of emotion. First you push forward against the inevitable foe, followed by your battle cry, ending with the rage of a soldier's wrath.
English Sub:
The ones who remember them...are us, the living! - Here, it's the same message, but the Dub adds to it with the refusal to forget.
We die trusting the living who follow to find meaning in our lives! - But why trust the living, and what meaning does your death have?
That is the sole method in which we can rebel against this cruel world! - The message seems to be a rebellion rather than raw fearlessness in the face of indomitable foes.
My soldiers, rage!
My soldiers, scream!
My soldiers, fight!
These three lines should be reversed, because rage is the stronger verb out of the three. Also, fight is a little on the nose, whereas push forward implies fighting as well as struggle.
👏👏👏
I fucking love this
👏👏👏👏👏👏
That's a lot of justification for wax poetic dialogue that just chews up a scene.
I have an explanation for the original Japanese script.
"The ones who remember them...are us, the living!"
The sub might not be able to express the exact nuance, but what he is saying is that the fallen have meaning in their lives (or you can say deaths I suppose) is because they (Erwin and co.) are here living to remember them and give them meaning, emphasizing not the remember part, but rather that they are LIVING.
"We die trusting the living who follow to find meaning in our lives!"
The translation is a bit off here. The actual line is closer to like "We die and entrust the meaning of our lives to the living!"
And you need to include the conversation before this speech to get the whole picture. Prior to this speech, Floch asked if their deaths are going to be meaningless, and Erwin replied yes. And then came this speech, stating that death is meaningless to those that fall, but the meaning of their "lives"(or again, deaths) are given by those that live on. So too will they fall, but what their deaths bring is entrusted to the LIVING.
So this brings the last line, "That is the sole method in which we can rebel against this cruel world!"
The line feels kind of out of place here I admit, but I think Erwin is stating that in order to go forward in this cruel world, there must be people continuingly sacrificing their lives. So he is not persuading the rookies to be fearless (since that is utterly impossible and not his point), but to motivate them to willingly sacrifice their lives and entrust the future to the LIVING.
So the whole point of this speech is to emphasize that they are going to fall, and there will be people LIVING ON to accomplish what they weren't able to.
"My soldiers, rage!"
"My soldiers, scream!"
"My soldiers, fight!"
The last one is fight is to be consistent with Eren's words (by the author), that you must fight to live.
So that makes it the most important of the three (and the only one), and that's why it's last. I guess you can say this phrase is meant for the readers, not the soldiers.
“To do what’s right, we have to be steady and give up the thing we want the most, even ours dreams”
Dang, Aunt May.
A rare moment where he nailed it in dub
Well played,wp.
As a sub lover i must acknowledge what is better.
As a guy who watches a lot of anime both subbed and dubbed, I can tell you that the entire AOT dub is incredible and worth a watch. I actually think it's a little better than the AOT sub which is saying a lot
For some reason I prefer Daisuke ono for Erwin voice
@Static Gaming lmao salty sub watcher alert
@@andrewwoodger1180 and it looks like they swept the salt off the table lol
@@connorohara751 I just feel like the voices on the japanese version is more iconic, especially for Eren. That's why I didn't like the dubbed that much. Maybe season one dubs were cheezy and then it got better but at that point all of these characters are perfect with the voices im used to
Noticed how this scene uses the music to setup the tone of what's gonna happen next and stops in an instant as the rocks hit erwin and soldiers indicating that the person for whom the music is used has left in an instant.
My god 😱🙀! What a God level direction.
This is easily one of the best scenes in all of aot. gives me chills every time, especially with the beast titan theme.
Erwin’s performance is probably my single favorite dub of all time. I don’t think I can critique a single line from the show. With that said, the original sub performance is just fucking immaculate. So much power and emotion in that voice. It feels like he is actually Erwin, not a voice actor. I can’t believe both of these performances were even possible. A+
Is this jojo adventure
@@Johnyboy4445 No, we're talking about a good anime.
@@bringbackdislikes3195 what’s it from
I feel that way about the dub. Imma be honest I've never liked sub
@@HappyMealPlusTax how can you like a foreign language you don’t understand? These people be lying
Both absolutely incredible, I think in the dub you can hear a little more of the fear behind Ervin’s words and voice. He’s passionately rallying his soldiers, but you can tell he’s doing everything he can to hide the fact that’s he’s afraid
In sub u can hear his voice crack and the last word he stops instantly when the rock gets to the screen showing the impact of the rock whilst the dub goes on for a second or so afterwards
The sub line of “that is the sole method of which we can rebel against this cruel world” does it for me. Plus Erwin’s voice acting in general, the way his voice cracks, and the “TATAKAE” at the end
Should’ve included the part before, where he’s coldly answering Floch’s questions. Imo, in sub at least, that is what makes this scene. The amount of emotion behind those three lines, with the piano from tooth-I in the background.
“Yes.”
“Yes.”
“You’re precisely right.”
Literal chills.
Idc what anyone says my soldiers do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelties of this world nothing beats that line
For me,
“That is the sole method in which we can rebel against this cruel world”
ties much more strongly into the entire AoT theme of a helpless reality where everyone is trapped at the mercy of a threat they have no idea of, and where everything can go wrong in a second. It clearly displays a sheer desperation of wanting to live and yet only able to do so under fear and control- and yet this is a moment where they could finally say they fought back instead
It’s kinda false tho cuz multiple of them were puking and trying to get away so they kinda do buckle and yield
@@btbtm5189 They still charged forward lol. Just because they stopped for a moment doesn’t mean they gave up (buckled/yielded)
@@AmirHussain-wc1or well no because the words in the actual main material were different
Yeah I gotta disagree man, very cool-sounding and powerful line but feels generic compared to the "rebel against this cruel world" line in the sub, which I've thought about constantly while watching the show as much of the show's themes are tied to it.
I feel the audio balance in the dub has more of a "booming" room feel, and the sub takes on a more "spoken right to you" feel.
Impressed with the dub, but the talent in the sub doesn't go unnoticed
Perfect way to describe it. 👌
Both are amazing, English isn't my first language but the delivery and the words used were on spot. Japanese one on the other hand is iconic. HEISHI WA SAKEBE, HEISHI WA TATAKAEEE!!!
Im Japanese.
HEISHI WA SAKEBE❌
HEISHI YO SAKEBE⭕
HEISHI WA TATAKAE❌
HEISHI YO TATAKAE⭕
The Dub sounds more like a commander preparing to fight, telling his soldiers that they will die, and that he will most certainly die.
The Sub sounds more like another guy preparing to fight, but thinking that he will still live if his soldiers die for him.
spot on
the other way
@@mihaimercenarul7467 Nope
@@mihaimercenarul7467 true
Sub: Erwin still clings onto this last bit of hope that he might survive in the face of certain death.
Dub: Erwin has fully accepted that he will die and never see the basement, and is screaming out in frustration and rage at the cruel world that has taken that away from him.
"Mattaku sono toori da. Mattaku motte mu imi da. Donna ni yume ya kibou wo motte ite mo, koufuku na jinsei wo okuru koto ga dekita to shite mo, iwade karada wo uchikuda karete mo, onaji da. Hito wa izure shinu.
Naraba jinsei ni wa imi ga nai no ka? Somosomo umarete kita koto ni imi wa nakatta no ka?
Shinda nakama mo sou na no ka? Ano heishi-tachi mo mu imi datta no ka?
IYA, CHIGAU!
Ano heishi-tachi ni imi wo ataeru no wa wareware da! Ano yuukan na shisha! Aware na shisha!
Omou koto ga dekiru no wa... seija de aru wareware da!
Wareware wa koko de shini tsugi no seija ni imi wo takusu! Sore koso yui itsu.
Kono zankoku na sekai ni aragau sube na no da!
HEISHI YO IKARE! HEISHI YO SAKEBE! HEISHI YO TATAKAE!"
Thanks for this
What a weeb. Nah I'm joking lmao
Bro from where did you get this dialogues in english format from ? Im dying to find the japanese dialogues in english format . Please tell me
this is one of the rare instances where both the sub and dub give you goosebumps for how powerful the delivery of the lines were
I'm a 100% sub believer. I can't watch an anime in dub version. But I gotta say the Erwin's dub is doing an amazing job here, i'm genuinely impress :O
The voice sounds great equally in both of these.
But the sub seems to translate word by word, where as dub is trying to make it sound cool in English. That's why I prefer dub
Yeah that's one place Dubs can improve on Subs for sure. Alot of subs happen to just mostly do direct translations. Dubs get a bit more time to rewrite things to work better for the new language. That's also where old Dubs failed hard though. The rewrites were done by people that weren't very talented writers so the changes were just dumb.
@@CC-of5xl problem is that they're constrained by the lip movements of the characters when on screen, so they have to tiptoe around what words and sentences will still match the character talking: shows you just how much effort they have to put in to writing dubs
@iainrickwood2623 yeah but if they have a good writer and director they get more time to create a good English script over the sub translation
This is a rare instance in the show where I like the dub a little better, mostly because of the translation. I love the line "my soldiers will not buckle or yield... my soldiers rage"
ngl i got goosebumps on the dub, but the sub is in whole different level
Not only the VA is so good, the translator has also done an awesome job, they decided to change the sequence to fit English perfectly. We're blessed.
English is 1000% more emotional. More spirited and authentic. The way English express feeling shown more.
True
Won't lie I got goosebumps in both versions.🖤🔥 Erwin was a man worthy to make a puppy fight a lion with his speech.🔥
I absolutely love both. Usually I’m a sub person, but both have their strengths here. The dub I love the buildup more into “THEY WERE NOT” as well as the rage. I also think the word choice flows better.
Sub I love the fact that his voice is cracking and the “tatakae” is phenomenal
The Dub sounds like he’s talking about his soldiers (to them, and by an extent to the audience), while in the sub he’s talking to them.
‘Because my soldiers do not buckle or yield… My soldiers push forward, My soldiers Scream out, My soldiers Rage!’
Vs
‘That is the sole method in which we can rebel against this cruel world!
My soldiers, rage!
My soldiers, scream!
My soldiers, fight!’
Dub was actually really good, the VA put his heart into that you could tell but Sub wins. That voice crack at 1:18, whether it was intentional or not, just conveys the desperation of the character way more
Yeah and no the sub in that one instance of the speech is better but the rest of it the dub just out does it
you can also hear one at 0:35 as well
Lmao so your logic is sub wins because of a voice crack?
Well that's your opinion dub is undoubtedly better for me even though I mostly watch aot on sub
@@keytendegraef982 that's not dumb logic at all. peoples are more likely to voice cracks and in many situations when someone is in high stress. So incorporating that fact in a vocal performance can add value.
The sub is generally better than the Dub, but Erwins english speech is on a whole different level, it's insane how good it is.
Well as a dub watcher I actually hate the sub I don’t like it but the Japanese voice actor did ok here
@@websdontmatter5631 you hate all the sub?
@@adamsalim7773 yeah its just my opinion
@@websdontmatter5631 why? because sub watchers way more than the dub?
@@adamsalim7773 it sounds so bad like I said it’s my opinion
After watching AoT in both Japanese and the English dub I honestly prefer the dub. Both are pretty good and sometimes the translation misses a bit but the emotion behind their voices is what brings me back to the dub each time. Even just them screaming as they cut a titans nape is fueled with so much emotion it really sells their mindset.
(Bilingual) It's an epic scene either way, but the English is more convincing IMO. Not just the delivery, but the actual wording feels more inspiring, and doesn't lose anything important in translation.
No one gets in the way of Erwin's ultimate goals of truth. No one gets in the way. Not even Erwin himself.
I'd have to say dub. When the sub yells it sounds like he's yelling at a coworker for spilling a drink. Where as dub you can hear in his voice he knows damn well this will be his last words and when he yells he wants everyone and everything to hear his final words echo throughout the ages. I'm not an attack on Titan fan myself but I know this scene. And dub does it a million percent better in my opinion
Dub sounds so monotonous it's boring af.
And the sub sounds so dull and not even like it's him saying his last words. Like he's saying to his Conrad's this is it
Both are good but i like the dub better
@@mohdsalmankhan4457 you’re trying so hard to be different😂
@@chris-od7yb no, why?
When I started watching this show I went with the dub, not knowing that Hulu had both versions. I originally wanted the sub but Erwin's English VA ended up making me so glad I watched the dub instead.
Most of you here evaluate dubs one, but I still love the sub version because it is more clear, to fight is to resist this cruel world. In the sub Erwin said "my soldiers fight!" at the end. This is the most important message from him.
In Dubs ver. My soldiers rage at last, it is emotional but not the core statement.
they arent fighting tho? theyre riding to their deaths as a distraction- that was the whole point. it's supposed to be emotional
@@xizt_ence3341 they are fighting, wdym? The author went with "tatakae" which is Fight and it aligns with Eren's Ideals.
@@Seeeyog read my whole comment
@@xizt_ence3341 which I did, and I hope you read mine as well. They are fighting "for survival". Don't take it too literally.
I mean but think about how it sounds thoe that work RAGE it brings so much emotion to the table
I usually watch sub but it's scenes like this that make me wanna rewatch shows in dub; English VA did an phenomenal job.
In the sub, it looks like erwin is ordering his soldiers but in the dub he was admiring them.
I have always been a fan of subs...but man the dub VA outdid himself in this scene...Pure goosebumps
I've never have thought but in this instance I like the dub more. It's just more passionate, dub guy did really amazing job! Thank You
Erwins dub voice is the best thing I’ve heard in anime
"We die trusting the living who follow to find meaning in our lives!"
AOT ending: imma forget that ever happened
I say this speech while playing Erwin's "charge" theme to my teammates before I lead them to battle before an airsoft round.
I freakin love the "My soldiers don't buckle or yield" part
The dub is definitely better, but it doesn't fit his facial expression towards the end. It's a speech of powerful rage, the expression is desperate anguish.
Then again, that might be better. The face reflecting his true emotions and his voice what he wants to show to his soldiers.
sub is better imo
Sorry but the sub is better.
"My soldiers dont buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world"
"This is the sole method we can repel against this cruel world" is absolutely better
@@Anonymous20242chat gpt ahh statement
the delivery is great for both but I think the dub is more concise and realistic
“ would you say that of our slain comrades? what about their lives? were they meaningless? THEY WERE NOT!! THEIR MEMORIES SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE OF US ALL!! THE COURAGEOUS FALLEN, THE ANGUISHED FALLEN!! THEIR LIVES HAVE MEANING BECAUSE WE THE LIVING REFUSE TO FORGET THEM!! AND AS WE RIDE TOO CERTAIN DEATH, WE TRUST OUR SUCCESSORS TO DO THE SAME FOR US!! BECAUSE MY SOLDIERS DO NOT BUCKLE OR YIELD AND FACE WITH THE CRUELTY OF THIS WORLD!! MY SOLDIERS PUSH FORWARD, MY SOLDIERS SCREAM OUT, MY SOLDIERS RAGE!!!!” - commander Erwin Smith
The dub hits like a brick house compared to anything else I've heard in a movie or show. (Though that LoTR RotK speech is quite legendary). It's Tatum's anger mixed with doubt.
Both very talented VA's with great performances though.
the "tatakae" at the end of sub gave me shivers down my spine
The actual voicelines for dub are better, but the energy Erwin brings in the sub is awesome
Thats y i prefer dub
tbh I feel like if the sub voices knew english and did the dub with the same people it would be so damn good
This is undoubtedly one of the rare times, I enjoy either way equally. This coming from a slow reader who only speaks English and usually favors sub, by about a 60/40 margin.
We gotta remember as people who do not understand Japanese we only have the Japanese actors' voices and the subtitles to convey what is happening. Naturally our brains fill in the gaps, making us view the Japanese dub wayyyyy differently than a Japanese fluent person would. In English there is no ambiguity or gaps to be filled in by our subconscious because we already understand everything that is being said so our brains don't add anything and there's no creative/imagination leeway in the brain.
Not saying that one is better, just talking about the different perceptions and interpretations based on your understanding of the languages involved in this specific work of art.
True which is imo an advantage for sub. There is much greater opportunity for scrutiny and cringe when hearing your native tongue coupled with the limitations placed on making a translation that adequately conveys the message and lands correctly while still matching the mouth movements and inevitably results in what is usually lesser results. On the other hand with sub you tend to get better translations (that doesn't even strictly refer to translation accuracy alone but also just better wording in general) allowing you to receive the message intellectually while picking up on the feeling and emotion conveyed in the voice acting separately which imo tends to result in a deeper impact. This is, as you point out, further assisted by how much you can allow your thoughts, memories, and connections to the story/characters/etc. to fill in bridging the gaps and drawing yourself deeper into the experience whereas I feel that while watching dub the additional depth of scrutiny toward what you are hearing stunts that process of being drawn in. For example many times during an emotional outburst from a character you might be more likely to be amused by it hearing it in your native tongue or even wanting to imitate it thereby breaking the immersion. I feel this is evident in reaction channels that opt to watch dub.
I'm going to be honest. Erwin's JP VA was helped by the music. The EN VA helped the music.
The dubbing of AOT is elite.
What do you smoke
@@Envrodis marijuana.
@@TypicallyUniqueOfficial that explains it
@@Envrodis ok lil bro
I must have seen this scenes over a hundred times and it still gives me goosebumps
Oh shit, I didn't even knew there existed a dubed version
Guess I can watch it now without having to read all the freaking time
Erwin dub av is great. He also does amazing when he gets his arm bitten off yelling, “I SAID ADVANCE GOD DAMN IT!” And not just I said Advance
I feel like I like the dub more in this one and that doesn’t happen often
Honestly, the dubbed version was quite good, it brought emotion to it, the voice felt like it fit the character and even though it was said in English, the line's still sounded, well, cool in a similar way to how it does in Japanese which believe it or not is pretty hard to do. Subbed version just has more power to it for me and it starts off with the, "My Soldier's Rage!!!" and ends differently as well which I actually sorta preferred more, and honestly I just feel like it suited it more and sounded cooler.
Well as a dub watcher I actually hate the sub I don’t like it but the Japanese voice actor did ok here
I am probably biased on this being primarily accustomed to AoT in sub but in any case its the sub that I prefer and what gave me chills hearing it again. I do appreciate what another comment pointed out regarding the dub conveying some fear in Erwins voice although I don't necessarily find it to be a point that sways in the dubs favor just an interesting nuance and take in the dub performance. I think some of the points brought up by others regarding wording are fair but I am undecided as to what extent I agree.
having rage be the final line is much better imo
In this scene dub is on a higher level for sure!
I do miss moments like this in Season 4 honestly, the combination of voice acting, great animation and epic soundtrack makes it an instant goosebumps inducing moment,
It's mostly because wit isn't doing the animation anymore which saddens me since mappa as good as they're doing it doesn't come close to wit and what they could've done
@@RenMatoi I think season 4 is good but it's nowhere near as good as seasons 1-3, season 4 has it's moments but the show is different in s4 compared to s1-3, I wouldn't blame the studio making the anime tbh, the show is just different now and has less moments like these
@@sujal1548 in manga it feels way better but mappa kinda messed it up
@@sujal1548 it's the animation and cg titans that kinda messes with the vibe and the constant part 1 2 3
The dubbed has so much more range and depth in the acting and the content of the speech is powerful.
"My soldiers dont buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world." Is fucking ace dude.
The subbed feels flat and business as usual when compared.
Both are equally Great
Dub = powerful and goosebumps
Sub = poetic and also goosebumps
(I pick dub!)
Goosebumps from both. But the goosebumps via sub hit harder
The way Erwin ends with “tatake” in the Japanese dub makes it harmonize more with Eren in season 4, Which is cool.
However, I think that in the moment, it flows better and is more poignant to end with “my soldiers rage” in the English dub. The moment is just way more hype and is great as a stand-alone scene. The “pushing forward” harmonizes with Eren as well but it’s not as poignant as the Japanese version.
I think the dub takes the W in this scene for a lot of reasons. Dub Erwin is just, an exceptional voice acting job. Above and beyond, really. It really makes you forget that this same voice actor plays a high schooler in another shounen.
Not only the voice acting but also the writing. I really love how he is both being poetic while also encouraging his soldiers to essentially commit to a suicidal attack.
@@inadover I agree. The prose is crucial here.
Well as a dub watcher I actually hate the sub I don’t like it but the Japanese voice actor did ok here
Rains Dub voice is truly amazing
ngl this one is very tough since the dub overall is better but the TATAKAE at the end of the sub is super good.
i was kinda waiting for him to say, "This is how the SHIMAZU RETREAT!"
not only dose the dub sound better but some words were changed that made the moment more impactful. dam near every change mad for the dub in this scene was a improvement
SUB(that is the sole method in which we can rebel against this cruel world)
DUB(my soldiers do not buckle of yield when faced with the cruelty of this world)
SUB(we die trusting the living who follow to find meaning in our lives )
DUB(and as we ride to certain death we trust our successors to do the same for us)
SUB(my soldiers rage , my soldiers scream, my soldiers fight)
DUB(my soldiers push forward, my soldiers scream out my soldiers RAGE! )
dude their not even close DUB is way better
Fr Well as a dub watcher I actually hate the sub I don’t like it but the Japanese voice actor did ok here
I don't have a strong opinion on which VA did better, both killed it for sure, but I disagree with the dialogue changes, I think in every example you posted the sub is more hard-hitting and more closely tied to the show's themes.
The cool thing is both of these voice actors voiced Sebastian from Black Butler (and are both experienced as hell)
Get goosebumps from this scene EVERY time. My favorite part of the entire show
All I can hear is Sebastian, but with a completely different personality
The dub isn’t bad, but Erwin’s final “Tatakae” just hits different :,)
Nah it doesn’t roll off the tongue correctly than rage it just felt off
@@DailyDoseofShortsVideos nah, the tatakae is way better
TATAKAE!!!
I believe the dub VA (Tatum) also wrote the dub script, or parts of it. Kinda feels like his words. I cannot get over the power of this speech and the delivery was perfection. Ive only been able to watch this episode twice... Its too much.. 😭
Dub is just a whole different level. WOW
'Personally Dub'
Respect to both🙌
To me, reading subtitles has never been a hinderance. I focus on other aspects such as emotional color. There is a "harshness" and intensity to the Japanese that I really like, but...I must admit that after re-listening, I really like the complexity to the delivery that the English VA has. Oftentimes I find that in anime, in the og Japanese, which is all I watch, the speeches don't hit for me because of the similarity between all of them. Gruff and intense is about all I hear.
Maybe watch some dubs
@@TubaBluba789 are there any you would recommend?
@Ayesha 91 days dub is a must. Also the dubs for Dr Stone and dragon ball are fantastic. Death Note too. And AoT of course.
I genuinely believe the dub for dragon ball super makes the show better. And the dubs for long shounen anime are more convenient since you don't have to be constantly looking at the bottom of the screen
But really just try the dubs for whatever anime. You might find something you like
@@TubaBluba789 thanks! I'll check these out and try out more dub in the future.
@@TubaBluba789 what is your opinion on the Naruto Dub?
People saying Erwin dub, with the hints of anxiety and wanting to back off are slightly present in his voice, which while true, and a good detail, isn't what I think was supposed to be the case. He had already given up on the basement thing.
I am clearly on the dub side, dub is far far better for me, I read the comments and some of you feel that sub is better, but for me the dub took me in, it just hits the soul for me!!
People think the sub is better because they are idiots who simp and lick the boots of the Japanese voice actors despite not understanding their language. The voice actors could be completely mid by Japanese standards but English speaking people and weebs think it’s cool to hate on their own language
@@keytendegraef982 uhhh..... I don't know how much true that is, but let me give you another example, for Jujutsu Kaisen the dub artist for Gojo is really awesome, his voice is hot, and he did amazing but I prefer the Japanese voice for Gojo, it suits gojo more, it suits the playfulness that is visible in Gojo 's physical features, the Japanese version is more alot funny compared to the dub,I prefer Sakuna's sub voice, also I prefer Itadori's sub voice too, although Itadori's dub was also good, but I liked sub more for jujutsu kaisen for the above reasons.
If jotaro tell you to fight, you tatakae yo ass to battlefield!!!
I haven't watched dubbed anime in a long time (I still won't). But I'd be remiss if I didn't say the dubbed version didn't give me chills. Thanks for the side-by-side comparison.
I just love both, they are just SOO GOOD AND SO PERFECT FOR THE CHARACTERS!!
Let's just be real the dub was way better
I believe both are perfect I just believe Erwin realizing he will die and that final scream of rage would be spot on character wise
Let’s just say, I’d probably ride to my death with dub Erwin, because the sentences are longer in English, it sounds like a much more empowered speech, words can also be dragged out easier in English so the whole thing sounded very much how army propaganda would be, blind passion for the cause, living in the moment to do what needed to be done, the final price to give your life for your comrades to move forward, incredible scene
i agree with the duration thing, i think since japanese is naturally faster it’s easier for it to feel rushed whereas the dub you just felt every line for longer
The writers for the dub here did amazing
Dub just hits different
0:20 The way it zooms in on floch's expression here is perfect, with the events of season 4.
Both are amazing
I honestly like both. I been watching AoT in japanese when it was first released and then I just went back over it English and I think they are both great. Commander Erwin especially.
Dub over sub on this one, but its close.