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  • @andrebrink2968
    @andrebrink2968 2 года назад +4072

    Attach an accelerometer to measure peak lateral g-force with and without aero.

    • @Project-Air
      @Project-Air  2 года назад +591

      A good idea for next time

    • @stephandelaat
      @stephandelaat 2 года назад +86

      @@Project-Air If you do not have an accelerometer you could also run car flat out and than corner it at full speed. If the cars corners tighter...you have more grip (provided you get the balance right between front and rear wing).

    • @mikkihintikka7273
      @mikkihintikka7273 2 года назад +1

      @@stephandelaat are slows the car down so it circles better because it reduces the full speed but that idea can be used with some modifications

    • @JacobAlheid
      @JacobAlheid 2 года назад +1

      Export the data into MoTeC

    • @austinsmith9413
      @austinsmith9413 2 года назад +1

      Thats what i was thinking.

  • @admkbldwn
    @admkbldwn 2 года назад +1828

    remember, aerodynamic forces are generated almost primarily on the low-pressure side of the surface -- flow detachment on the bottom of your wings isn't just creating drag, it's also severely limiting the amount of downforce you're generating. less angle of attack on those wings might actually generate more downforce since they wouldn't be stalling. if you wanted to keep the aggressive angle of attack, you should upgrade to a multi-element setup to keep flow attachment.

    • @crackedemerald4930
      @crackedemerald4930 2 года назад +7

      Yea you have like 100kN of force per square meter maximum available, makes sense

    • @ruskw
      @ruskw 2 года назад +14

      Interesting, I never would have thought that the majority of the force is generated from the low pressure side. Now I think about it it makes sense too

    • @wesandbutters113
      @wesandbutters113 2 года назад +27

      Came here to say this, tried to warn him on the picture he posted a few weeks ago of the car.

    • @davecurlett2227
      @davecurlett2227 2 года назад +18

      yup, if a wing begins to deflect air, energy is being wasted. You want smooth laminar flow across as much of the surface of the wing as possible. This creates that desired pressure differential between the top and bottom surface of the wing.

    • @wesandbutters113
      @wesandbutters113 2 года назад +25

      @@davecurlett2227 not exactly. Part of the downforce comes from this air deflection. Also, you actually do want turbulent flow on the wing surface if you want your flow to stay attached at high angles of attack, since turbulent flow carries more energy and stays attached better. Most airplane wings transition from laminar to turbulence at only 10% chord length.

  • @kinzokushirogane1594
    @kinzokushirogane1594 2 года назад +406

    Lift does not increase with the area squared, but rather the speed squared. Area is just A^1

    • @randomsnow6510
      @randomsnow6510 2 года назад +12

      what he means is if you doulbe the diemensions the area gets squared

    • @gavinvales8928
      @gavinvales8928 2 года назад +14

      He said that bit wrong, but what he said immediately following that is correct

    • @spookz2837
      @spookz2837 2 года назад

      Velocity is a bit different than speed but yeah

    • @omarkhammash9756
      @omarkhammash9756 2 года назад +5

      @@spookz2837 in this context, its not, velocity here is the free stream velocity component that is normal to the chord, by definition direction doesnt change, therefore "speed" is not incorrect

  • @HerraTohtori
    @HerraTohtori 2 года назад +170

    The good old trick of sticking some bits of yarn all over the car would probably reveal a lot of the possible aerodynamic issues.
    Also, for a more consistent test, drive in a circle as fast as the car can go, and measure how fast the car can go around a circle with a certain radius. The benefit of this is that you can use quite simple physics to figure out if the aerodynamics is providing a meaningful downforce to assist the car - namely, if the centripetal acceleration in a corner is continuously higher than 1.0g, then you have conclusively demonstrated the presence of downforce.

    • @Rafael_Fuchs
      @Rafael_Fuchs 2 года назад +3

      Wouldn't really need to use any serious math beyond an overview shot with a drone at a set height and calculating the radius of the circle. Bring a broom, sweep the area free of debris and draw a set of uniform chalk circles using a string for an easy point of reference. The understeering would make a dramatic impact on the size of the circle and the differences would be visualized quite clearly.

    • @urgesurfing
      @urgesurfing 2 года назад +2

      Lmfao a guy copied your whole fucking comment, I can see it over your comment
      wish RUclips had the option to upload pic as a comment, I'd have replied to his comment with the ss of your comment and bully that fucker

    • @Rafael_Fuchs
      @Rafael_Fuchs 2 года назад +1

      @@urgesurfing Wow, you're right. Word. For. Word. Lol
      His name is Dark, looks to be some anime pfp, and has a checkmark.

    • @HerraTohtori
      @HerraTohtori 2 года назад +1

      @@urgesurfing There are a lot of RUclips bots going around these days doing exactly that. They take an existing comment and copy it as their own, it's a cheap way to make them look like "real" people because they're posting comments that are made by real people instead of cheap Markov chain generator or some shit like that.
      Though usually those bots have pictures of scantily clad Russian ladies as their profile picture and their names are like "Click Me If Your Horni" or something, which makes it easy for us to see what's going on. This "Dark" channel might be related but evolved to be more stealthy like.
      It's usually best to just report things like this, and then ignore it. Bullying people never results in anything good and if it's a bot, you're just spending your effort for nothing.

  • @integza
    @integza 2 года назад +1783

    I can tell you right now, Im gonna rip off the fan in front of the smoke machine idea

    • @Project-Air
      @Project-Air  2 года назад +165

      Thief! 😛

    • @cactustv8145
      @cactustv8145 2 года назад +3

      Didn't you do it before? :D

    • @aprit0744
      @aprit0744 2 года назад +19

      (I love both your videos!) Just be aware that a fan puts out incredibly turbulent air flow... Oh no? That means it's like an inverted golfball, instead of the dimples on the ball creating turbulence in the boundary layer helping it stay attached, the turbulent flow over a smooth object helps the air stay attached (either way highly inaccurate for irl situations unless your use case is in front of a fan or you regularly race in a hurricane...)
      So what can we do? Wind tunnels use fans, and their air flow is fine! Recirculating tunnels use methods to linearise the flow, (google is great) or simply... Use the Fan on 'suck mode' instead of blow. This brings its own challenges but in an enclosed environment it can be far more reliable
      Good luck, love your work, I wish I had the time to do everything you two do!

    • @bobtaylor6210
      @bobtaylor6210 2 года назад +1

      Love ur vids 😎🇺🇸

    • @MrHichammohsen1
      @MrHichammohsen1 2 года назад +1

      Integza i need a 3d printer man come on i have been posting ideas :(

  • @dhaferhermi2866
    @dhaferhermi2866 2 года назад +39

    Suggestion: use a multi flaps wings like the current f1 cars instead of the shovel, you can get a lower profile front wing with an increased surface area

  • @clemensfocke1202
    @clemensfocke1202 2 года назад +333

    Great project, maybe on a smoother track, like inside a sport arena, you could experiment more with the ground-effect.

    • @Project-Air
      @Project-Air  2 года назад +54

      This is what I've been thinking since finishing my experiments! Great suggestion. Maybe a ground effect fan car?

    • @clemensfocke1202
      @clemensfocke1202 2 года назад +2

      @@Project-Air That sounds realy interesting.

    • @MateusAzevedoMono
      @MateusAzevedoMono 2 года назад +3

      @@Project-Air Like the Brabham BT46 F1 car? That would be cool

    • @erick4188
      @erick4188 2 года назад

      I second the fan car idea! And getting an indoor roller rink or something haha

    • @EngineeringAfterHours
      @EngineeringAfterHours 2 года назад +1

      @@Project-Air if you go the fan car route, I can offer some info as to what's worked best for me so far. When I get a new motor setup I'll be going for round 3 looking to drop another .5s off my 0-60 time.
      ruclips.net/video/32zCMaGEY8I/видео.html

  • @JohnBarronII
    @JohnBarronII 2 года назад +17

    You definitely should test with the kit body. Aero makes a big difference, at least in 10th scale racing. We notice the handling difference by just changing the body and leaving the wings the same!

  • @Rich77UK
    @Rich77UK 2 года назад +599

    Very interesting stuff. Having had a tiny role in some F1 aero (I once mechanically designed a blade antenna that went on the 2002 Williams) I know how much effort the teams put into the TINIEST details to gain miniscule improvements. I was impressed with William's input and care and totally shocked by Jaguars lack of it (also did their antenna).

    • @juancete0107
      @juancete0107 2 года назад +44

      Eyo u worked in the V10 era! Thats mental. Did u worked in 04 w williams too?

    • @razeenap3629
      @razeenap3629 2 года назад +7

      So how was it working with them and how many years did you work with them but man i would have been jumping around if i got that offer

    • @lemomannmusicproductions4074
      @lemomannmusicproductions4074 2 года назад +8

      God, working at motorsport would be my dream job! I'm working at a Baja SAE team right now, hopefully I'll get there

    • @zamir8041
      @zamir8041 2 года назад +1

      This man.
      This man right here has worked a job that many will only ever dream of

    • @wahyudyatmika5119
      @wahyudyatmika5119 2 года назад

      What a achievement! I am an aerospace engineering student, wishing to be like you. Ah hopefully.

  • @BagDouken
    @BagDouken 4 месяца назад

    This video really helped me on my Speedrun project! My car kept flipping up at the front at high speed, saw this video and made a front spoiler and it worked!!
    Thank you 🙏🏾

  • @krupert8355
    @krupert8355 2 года назад +156

    Some suggestions:
    Testing each change individually, and periodically re-testing the base no aero setup, and documenting how each change affected the car positively/negatively. I know it's a lot of work, but would be fun to watch I think, as we could follow the progress in detail with you.
    I think this could be an interesting ongoing project to follow over time, with further experimentation as time goes on, maybe one day have active aero for a more varied track.
    Comparing the stock aero from the factory could also be something interesting to see.
    As for suggestions, I would go with softening the rear shock absorbers a bit, maybe with a lighter oil, as it looks like the car is getting thrown around from those big bumps without absorbing them.
    3D printing aero parts might also be a way to have lighter parts that are also precise.
    Anyway, definitely please continue this project. =)

  • @DannCaeruleum
    @DannCaeruleum 2 года назад +7

    I know this isn't the aerodynamics that is being used in F1 today, but it does leave you impressed about how it began and the what the basics of downforce and aerodynamics are.

  • @philippe9280
    @philippe9280 2 года назад +261

    A selfmade wind tunnel would be An interesting project in itself and a nice tool in the development of future builds.

    • @glenncatchpole
      @glenncatchpole 2 года назад +1

      I second this idea!

    • @aGabay
      @aGabay 2 года назад +4

      There's a reason why wind tunnels are worth a lot of engineering times, you can "design" one and homebuild it but there's a lot to it. There are different tunnels for different flow regimes, different sizes and different applications.

    • @JoeOvercoat
      @JoeOvercoat 2 года назад

      The Wright brothers approve this post.

    • @GeoThaDude
      @GeoThaDude 2 года назад

      This would be a good place to start.
      ruclips.net/video/Sx5BQjKvElk/видео.html

    • @AyanAli-eq4lo
      @AyanAli-eq4lo 2 года назад +1

      I made one using straws and a fan in the rear so laminar flow isn’t disturbed. I used some dry ice in warm water as smoke and a small air foil. It was pretty incredible

  • @shivr5836
    @shivr5836 2 года назад

    The crash was like an how an actual F1 car would crash but instead it would break into pieces COOL!!! Love your work man.

  • @Excludos
    @Excludos 2 года назад +197

    Yeah, this is really cool, but definitively needed to be more scientific. Even without the wings, the car could go full speed through the corner. At that point, the only thing the wings can do is slow the car down with drag. You need to find a corner that the bare-body version can't get around without slowing down, and then see if the wings improve it. Pointing the camera at the suspensions and seeing it pushed down would also be a really good indicator

    • @mikkihintikka7273
      @mikkihintikka7273 2 года назад +5

      he is rc youtubes what do you expect xD jk

    • @AlexJoneses
      @AlexJoneses 2 года назад +3

      I'd reccomend a better testing track

    • @snoopah3077
      @snoopah3077 2 года назад +3

      Its hard to control the car at those speeds

    • @shukriwafiq5220
      @shukriwafiq5220 2 года назад

      He wanna have fun not build a fucking racecar

    • @Excludos
      @Excludos 2 года назад +16

      @@shukriwafiq5220 I fail to see the relevance. Are you proposing you can't have fun doing science?

  • @TexRobNC
    @TexRobNC 2 года назад +10

    You also needed the car with the stock bodywork and underside stuff to see how it compares. It could be that with the speeds and weights involved, the body they have designed already does an OK job. Probably easier to add to that than start from scratch.

  • @Project-Air
    @Project-Air  2 года назад +37

    Hope you enjoyed this month's video! Let me know what you want to see me build next!
    Correction to the lift calculations -the full lift formula is L = Cl * A * .5 * r * V^2
    More info here www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/lifteq.html

    • @stephandelaat
      @stephandelaat 2 года назад +1

      For ground effect to work your suspension needs to be perfect as well as the surface you drive on.

    • @myusernameblows
      @myusernameblows 2 года назад

      That fan and smoke machine was cool, you should build a scale-sized venturi effect recirculating wind tunnel! That would be a cool project

    • @Youdontwannaknow..
      @Youdontwannaknow.. 2 года назад

      Thanks for the right formula but I don’t think anyone even noticed 😂 like i would be fooled even if u said a=bxc

    • @JoeOvercoat
      @JoeOvercoat 2 года назад

      Thank you! That matters a lot to those of us who live it. Remember people, we’re just fish where our water is simply very thin/rare. Flow is everywhere, always.

    • @shijuokphun1379
      @shijuokphun1379 2 года назад

      Hi! Nice video! How about u put a upside down drone on the car. The fan/propeller are pushing the air up giving massive down Force. I would really like to see something like that! Tq.

  • @Xi_Jinping_Pooh_Shill
    @Xi_Jinping_Pooh_Shill 2 года назад +1

    Good job kid, (I'm old, probably 3x or 4x your age). I hope my 10 year old kid with get interested with engineering and physics stuff like this. Subscribed!

  • @lewistaylor863
    @lewistaylor863 2 года назад +8

    I used to race RC cars nearly 20 years ago - indoor 1/12th on a reasonably large carpet track with a decent straight. I remember playing around with different body shells and rear wing combinations and there were deffinately differences to be felt - less so with shells, but a decent rear wing with end fences definately made them more stable down the long straight. That could then be balanced with better front end grip allowing good tracking down the straights, with pointy stearing response for the tight corners. Not talking huge differences here, but when you are used to running the same car on the same circuit (we did change track layouts once a month) with controlled indoor conditions, then you do start to notice the small setup changes which you can make and the small differences adding a big wing with fences can make.
    Fun fact, the track used to rubber in over the course of the month - when the carpet was hoovered at track change time, the grip the first week of the new setup was awful. We didn't use tyre addatives, just the natural rubbering in of the foam tyres on the carpet. 'Marbles' (dust and general crap) off line was a thing too!

  • @christopherhazard8486
    @christopherhazard8486 2 года назад

    Bị nghiện bài này từ thời Bảo Thy, ko ngờ lại có ngày được nghe idol mới trong lòng mình Đức Phúc cover lại. Cảm ơn em ĐP vì đã cover lại lắng đọng cảm xúc như vậy

  • @aGabay
    @aGabay 2 года назад +163

    If you want to learn anything from these experiments, you should be more methodical and try to isolate one factor each time, running the same test (or as similar as possible). For example, you should have tested the smaller wing at that same corner, without changing the rake angle and adding the splitter-diffuser floor.

    • @griptopia
      @griptopia 2 года назад +2

      give the guy some credit i think he knows that and is working up to it.. maybe watch all the way through.. judge when in possession of all the facts my friend.

    • @aGabay
      @aGabay 2 года назад +9

      @@griptopia I watched all the way through, and some of his other videos - he can't learn anything like that.

    • @griptopia
      @griptopia 2 года назад

      He's clearly learning so I don't agree .. controlling your test conditions will help for sure but I'm sure he's aware :)

    • @aGabay
      @aGabay 2 года назад +7

      @@griptopia By his reactions, he's not aware of it.

    • @George-kd7uz
      @George-kd7uz 2 года назад +2

      @@griptopia you cant really learn anything by changing more than one variable for each run as you wont know whats making the difference

  • @m.sierra5258
    @m.sierra5258 2 года назад +43

    I think you misunderstand "drag" and "downforce".
    Of course I'm not an expert, but I'm somewhat confident that just like at an airplane, where most force gets generated at the *top* side of the wing, the majority of the downforce of your car gets generated at the *bottom* of the car's wing.
    That means, if you have layer separation (=stall) at the bottom side of your wing, then this does not just increase drag, it also drastically decreases the downforce.

  • @thomasshelley4617
    @thomasshelley4617 2 года назад +32

    If it's a square relationship doesn't double wing equal quadruple lift/downforce?

    • @aGabay
      @aGabay 2 года назад +10

      L = 0.5*rho*S*C_L*V² where S is the wing surface, so his statement is completely wrong...
      Double the surface, double the lift force.

    • @skepp7600
      @skepp7600 2 года назад +5

      @@aGabay yup
      No clue what he was on about

    • @notanengineer
      @notanengineer 2 года назад +7

      The first part he said was wrong, lift is instead directly proportional to the area. The second part about doubling the length doubling the lift was correct though

    • @thomasshelley4617
      @thomasshelley4617 2 года назад +1

      Makes more sense ;)

  • @maddoxmcdermott8384
    @maddoxmcdermott8384 2 года назад

    Use a split front scoop to allow more air to pass over the front center of the car pushing down the rear.
    I did similar experiments with a Traxxas Jato 3.3. Full front scoop overheated the engine due to air deflection as I ran gas.
    With split scoop there was still a considerable difference in stearing ability against a stock Jato. Both had upgraded Road Rage tires and not the garbage stock Anacondas.
    Keep up the good work

  • @ViggenProductions
    @ViggenProductions 2 года назад +13

    Great video James! I'm not a car guy but this was really interesting. That smoke machine + EDF worked really well to visualize the airflow!

  • @TheDreserDeviant69
    @TheDreserDeviant69 2 года назад +1

    love the old Williams livery.
    RIP Sir Frank Williams

  • @tench745
    @tench745 2 года назад +11

    Great video as always. I’m a little surprised you didn’t test the car with the stock bodywork installed to see if the massive wings were an improvement over the scale ones.

  • @flyingark173
    @flyingark173 2 года назад +38

    Given what you know about airplanes, why are you not using the "wings" in a more traditional sense? As in, as you explained in the beginning of this video, using the wing, just upside down. Consider building an airplane that wants to climb more and more the faster you get...you'd never build an airplane with that angle of attack. I personally would love to see a video where you try to use the aerodynamics of a wing, even if protrudes beyond the base chassis, to prove that wings can push the chassis down...maybe have a scale on the front axis to try to measure?

    • @qetuowrzip7681
      @qetuowrzip7681 2 года назад +1

      also, why not just put one upsode down RC wing on top in the middle? way easier to experiment with different sizes, easy to mount and less weight.

  • @shaunpriddle3404
    @shaunpriddle3404 2 года назад +14

    Compession of suspension components to a calibrated set point would give down force value and a split front/back , but would need a smooth running surface.
    Awesome vid btw 👍👍👍

  • @princecayman3343
    @princecayman3343 2 года назад +1

    Project Air: makes something that will definitely not fly

  • @medul8039
    @medul8039 2 года назад +4

    maybe raise the spoiler and remove the skirts
    in f1 they stopped the skirts because of increases in crashes
    also, the big size with the large angles of the aero could make handling harder

    • @medul8039
      @medul8039 2 года назад

      also something that might help is loosening rear anti roll bars if you have any
      and/or softening rear suspension dont over do it on the roll bars or suspension though
      there could be too much roll and all the grip goes to 1 tire

  • @NicholasRehm
    @NicholasRehm 2 года назад +7

    Would love to see some active flow control applied to an RC car -- think: control surfaces and active feedback to vary grip based on commanded turn rate

  • @Driver61
    @Driver61 2 года назад +5

    DOWNFORCE!

  • @malootua2739
    @malootua2739 2 года назад +1

    Here's it completely new concept, mount an upside-down RC airplane wing like 4 inch above the RC car right at the center of gravity, so it pushes both front and rear down equally

  • @AndyLaurence
    @AndyLaurence 2 года назад +20

    Your understeer was a combination of more downforce from that wing and also the drag high up at the rear. The rear wing drag is like a lever acting on the rear wheels as a pivot. Those wings are only generating downforce by increasing pressure on the top surface. You should print a proper profile to get lower pressure on the bottom rather than just separating as you discovered

    • @rohanhemnani4706
      @rohanhemnani4706 2 года назад

      i think the rear diffuser was giving the rear tires a lot of grip and the rear wing was exceeding the needed rear downforce so i think he should reduce the angle of the rear wing to give enough downforce to the front of the car to prevent understeer

  • @GhostHammerofficial
    @GhostHammerofficial 4 месяца назад

    Tip: If ur RC car is going rlly rlly fast, use an airbrake, basically just make a huge cut and leave one side, then add a servo and make sure it pops up and make it so that when you brake the servo also activates the airbrake (I may be wrong).
    Love ur content ❤❤

  • @GulliJ
    @GulliJ 2 года назад +5

    It's very interesting to see how you are in front of the same problem than full scale. The ground effect could only work on flat surface, loosing the ground effect is so dangerous that it can't really be a good option except on perfect track.
    But using your smoking development aero system, you probably could test the actual F1 looking aerokit on your model. I'm impatient seeing it 😃

  • @DonutHolestien
    @DonutHolestien 2 года назад +1

    That F1 edit at the end was phenomenal!

  • @anjanbabu3429
    @anjanbabu3429 2 года назад +21

    That's a really cool experiment, I'd love to try this out myself someday! You could also try implementing a tail-fan like the Gordon Murray T50. Also, lift increases with the square of velocity and not planform area [L = Cl * A * .5 * r * V^2].

    • @nigeypants5500
      @nigeypants5500 Год назад +1

      He said square but then immediately said when you double the area you double the force lol. I think he just didn't mean to say square of the area

  • @djyjrlz
    @djyjrlz 2 года назад

    If you’re keen to learn some tips have a look at 1/8th scale on road racing machines, rear wings attached directly to the rear hubs to avoid pitching under high downforce corners, plus foam tires with much less flex lend a huge amount to consistency

  • @mohdsultan2711
    @mohdsultan2711 2 года назад +12

    Also you have to consider the drag force caused by big spoilers increasing the frontal surface area... There is a relationship between drag and downforce...

  • @Lozzie74
    @Lozzie74 2 года назад +1

    You’re an excellent scientist / engineer. You tried hard to develop a quantifiable test and continued to evaluate your hypothesis. You also acknowledged that correlation did not guarantee causation.

  • @andym436
    @andym436 2 года назад +9

    I'd be interested in seeing how the aerodynamics of the wings would affect the top speed.

    • @ManuelOrtizification
      @ManuelOrtizification 2 года назад

      I think in this case, it would actually reduce the top speed 😅

    • @andym436
      @andym436 2 года назад

      @@ManuelOrtizification I agree. It would increase the drag and slow the car down.

  • @eppiox
    @eppiox 2 года назад +2

    The onboard camera footage was ace, can really see how any small bump in the road really messes those things up

  • @johns1307
    @johns1307 2 года назад +3

    Huge issue with ground effect is that the scale of the RC car compared to the scale of the smoothness of the road is a much bigger issue than with a full-sized car, and they work HARD to make F1 tracks grippy enough for turning but smooth enough to not vibrate the hell out of the vehicles.
    Active aero could have potential but you'd need a fast computer on board to control it accurately.

  • @nicolas357
    @nicolas357 2 года назад +1

    Wawwww, Just discovered this youtube channel. Keep up the good work!!!!!

  • @glumpy10
    @glumpy10 2 года назад +5

    I have always wondered about active Aero. Wings flatten out in a straight line, sensors pitch them up for more downforce in turns and turn them right up for braking. Also like to see the old fan car design that sucked the vehicle onto the road with engine power. They built one like this but it was so quick they banned it after one race. Always wish they Built a Demo car with all the tech like active aero, fans, turbos etc and see how much faster it could go round a track than the " legal" cars. I bet it would be a LOT faster.

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc 2 года назад

      Try the red bull car in the gran turismo games, its got what you are looking for. And it still is far from a "clean sheet" unregulated design, more like what it could look like if the regulations were still 1975-1980-ish.

    • @burtpanzer
      @burtpanzer 2 года назад

      I hear Ron Dennis encouraged the design to be banned in the US... probably because it was about to cause all race cars to adopt the "door-stop" shape, as well as the danger inherent in any loss of suction while cornering.

  • @nostooge
    @nostooge 2 года назад

    Giant trench (at RC scale) across the road just before the corner looks like the most significant element in determining cornering speed. In ~1/3 of the efforts you show, the entire car is thrown into the air by the bump, and in some of those the car is sideways or backwards before it's back on the ground.

  • @piconano
    @piconano 2 года назад +4

    Companies spend millions in researching this.
    I'd suggest you mimic them and see why they've chosen what they have.
    Having a snow-plow in the front and back, won't do anything meaningful.

  • @serversurfer6169
    @serversurfer6169 2 года назад +1

    2:50 Two squared is actually four, mate. That said, lift increases as a square of the velocity, not the area, so at double the speed, you generate four times the downforce. 💜🤓👍

    • @2KOOLURATOOLGaming
      @2KOOLURATOOLGaming 2 года назад

      Ye, I don't think this guy understands what 'lift' is. He explained it as pushing air down to push the wing up on a plane, but it isn't, it is a result of low pressure and high pressure, right? The surfaces he has created are intended to literally deflect the air so they won't be generating much lift-based downforce will they. In his case, I guess that doubling the surface area would double to downforce because the surface is colliding with twice as much volume of air and therefore the air is providing an opposite force twice that of a halved surface.

  • @vintyprod
    @vintyprod 2 года назад +5

    Would be cool if you did some hard engineering as opposed to just tinkering. Interesting video regardless!

    • @aGabay
      @aGabay 2 года назад +1

      My thoughts too.

  • @Synic08
    @Synic08 2 года назад

    I used to race a 2wd short course truck in oval racing, we would use the original style body’s for the “truck” class and had a 1/8 late model body that fits very well, for the “late model” class.... I can tell you without a doubt the long nose gives more steering, and the long flat sides would assist you in getting the car back straight when sliding.... 100% even at 15-25mph, there’s added performance...

  • @dieselscartalk4146
    @dieselscartalk4146 2 года назад +1

    9:22 love the V10 F1 sound

  • @williamhealy6381
    @williamhealy6381 2 года назад

    Aerodynamics on rc cars is something I never thought about, very cool

  • @plasmaraiderrifle
    @plasmaraiderrifle 2 года назад

    Coming from someone that has worked on aerodynamics on cars before. There are several things to take into consideration here. One the lack of measurement for the aerodynamic surfaces, this is partially what lead to the understeering issue with the smaller front wing. Many research documents will state a 53-55% (rearwards) CoP (center of pressure), this figure changes based on weight distribution and suspension geometry but its a good rule of thumb. That front wing wasen’t causing understeer due to a lack of downforce, but rather too much rear downforce. Additionally one think to consider with the front wing rooster tail (what we call the dirty air kicked up by a wing element) is that while it is pushing air up and over the rear wing, during cornering you will have air coming in from an angle based on your cornering angle. This will load the rear wing the same as any other air (albeit reduced slightly), so your main concern, especially with a small car wont be to deal with that air, especially since it does not have enough time to collapse on itself (itll just be turbulent). Finally some thoughts for future prototyping could involve a smoother wing surface, especially on the underside of the wing as that is the downforce generating side of the wing. The detached boundary layer significantly reduces downforce and increases drag, so if possible either smaller, smoother bends in aluminum, or maybe even thinner aluminum sheet to reinforce an airfoil foam board would work nicely, which leads into my final thought. If at all possible, look into airfoil shapes instead of just flat pieces of metal, while the sheet metal will work, airfoils are tuned to generate more lift and limit stall, at the moment sheet metal will just quite literally shovel air up and that is your downforce, instead of manipulating pressure differences which would be the goal of an airfoil.

  • @juamidelacruz6781
    @juamidelacruz6781 2 года назад

    I'm making some aerodynamic improvements on my rc f1 project car and this video really helped me!

  • @White000Crow
    @White000Crow 2 года назад

    From what I understand the primary thing about cars aerodynamics is keeping as much air as possible from getting under the car. Like keeping that front air dam/wing as low as possible.
    Take a look at some of the Pikes Peak cars made to run in lower density atmosphere.

  • @thesunexpress
    @thesunexpress 2 года назад

    1/8 scale BMT 911 4WD nitro buggy had active aero over the rear axle. It's rear spoiled had linkage attached directly to the rear swing-arms that would turn the rear spoiler as vertical as possible under braking. Conversely, it would flatten to horizontal as much as possible during hard acceleration. It definitely had a very significant effect on performance.

  • @kreicsidavid4497
    @kreicsidavid4497 2 года назад +1

    Just some tips: Gurney flaps are very useful (basically flexing the very end of the wing more drastically, producing more downforce with less drag). Placing skirts on the side of the floor (obviously not made of a thick material) would also inprove ground effect. You can also wider the front wing, because turned tires can disturb air flow. This solution might also work: placing the rear wing on a shark fin by its upper side as the rear wing's lower side produces the more downforce, and as the shark fin ends in the rear wing, it doesn't create such a big vortex.

  • @SupernovaSpence
    @SupernovaSpence 2 года назад

    The idea of higher corner speeds is the exit. The higher the speed you have on exit and onto the straight, the longer you maintain higher speed on the straight, the more time you save per lap. And this compounds. Downforce also increases braking force so you can brake later and from a higher speed, further changing your lap times. So, yeah, .4 seconds around that corner is just the beginning. And in reality, is HUGE.

  • @MikeStallone
    @MikeStallone 2 года назад +1

    I got this same car going 154mph. Great choice of rc

  • @JacobusRC
    @JacobusRC 2 года назад

    Sweet RC body modifications! and love the F1 sounds 😂

  • @BoHolbo
    @BoHolbo 2 года назад

    I just had an idea!
    Figure out a way to mount a load cell to each wheel, and connect them to an Arduino Nano RP2040.
    1.
    It has onboard flash storage. (No risk of corrupted telemetry data from vibrations due to a loose connection to an SD card.)
    2.
    It has a 6 axis IMU onboard. (Gyroscope + accelerometer.)
    3.
    You’ll still have plenty of I/O pins leftover for other things.
    Love what you are doing with, and on your channel!
    Cheers from Denmark!
    Ps. DIY Perks “sent” me here. 😃

  • @johnsteve870
    @johnsteve870 2 года назад

    Great to see you are applying Haas’s wind tunnel testing

  • @bobaccountingdepartment6616
    @bobaccountingdepartment6616 2 года назад +1

    This video made me subscribed, honestly I was pretty impressed with the quality of this video

  • @konstantingenchev4553
    @konstantingenchev4553 2 года назад +1

    In reality the air DOES NOT PUSH the car to the ground. In reality the air creates a low pressure zone below or over the wing(depending on the direction). That low pressure pulls the entire contraption to fill in that low pressure zone.

  • @oldman5487
    @oldman5487 Год назад

    What you need is a way to accurately measure the down force. A vertically installed pin connected to the bottom plate of the car and poking through the body inside the shot of the camera will show how low the body is being manipulated downward. Paint rings on the pin and you have an accurate measure.

  • @MidsouthCupSeries
    @MidsouthCupSeries Год назад +1

    Those bumps were killing that thing! I will be attempting something similar to this thank you for the info and tips! Also, that editing with the old engine sound at 9:22 was awesome!

  • @maiconkenio4317
    @maiconkenio4317 2 года назад

    fun time 9:21 , good work, nice acceleration timing. "from Brazil

  • @fjpoggemann
    @fjpoggemann 2 года назад

    Love that the two images of an F1 car with aero were both Ayrton Senna!

  • @RedFiredu29
    @RedFiredu29 2 года назад +1

    Hey I'm sure that the ground effect works underwater too because I can be a lot faster by swimming the nearest to the ground in a swimming pool than at the surface for sure

  • @karsten6942
    @karsten6942 2 года назад

    The reason why this car is so amazing is that it’s trade in efficency

  • @AleChemist23
    @AleChemist23 2 года назад

    That bump in the interior part of the turn is the main problem; you would definitely benefit from a road with no gravel 👌🏼

  • @Hustler9g
    @Hustler9g 2 года назад

    You should try mounting the wings high and attaching them directly to the suspension. High wings are more efficient and if you mount them to the suspension you don't lose mechanical grip from having to stiffen the suspension to compensate for the aero's compression on the suspension.

  • @TopZueg
    @TopZueg 2 года назад

    I used to race RC cars. I used a bi level wing similar to what F-1 wings look like or those on top fuel dragsters. These wings give much more downforce and less drag as well. Made big differences in lap times. FWIW

  • @962RACER
    @962RACER 2 года назад

    The F1 sound at 9:21 oddly gave it perspective, cool project.

  • @robertmckay694
    @robertmckay694 2 года назад

    With the f1 sound it was epic!

  • @AkAsCoTTii3
    @AkAsCoTTii3 2 года назад

    That box on the top will be creating such a lot of drag, it’s like a pocket for the air to suck into

  • @kenm8376
    @kenm8376 2 года назад

    Always enjoy seeing what you've come up with.

  • @thedeamonmeteor69420
    @thedeamonmeteor69420 2 года назад

    That bump on the turn is killing me

  • @muchagrande1687
    @muchagrande1687 2 года назад +1

    Take a look at 1/8 onroad racing (nitro) cars/bodies. In that class the aero of the bodies plays a big rol in handling.

  • @KingOfZamunda
    @KingOfZamunda 2 года назад

    From 3.91s to 2.29s is a major improvement taking into account this is just one corner. If it is a race, you will lap all the other cars since you will gain more than a second at every turn. If the track has 7 corners, it will add to more than 10s per lap. If it takes 30s per lap, in 3 laps you will have lapped the tail. In a 60 lap race, you will lap everyone atleast thrice. That is disqualification/rule change territory.

  • @MAR-ug5zg
    @MAR-ug5zg 2 года назад

    Ah man well-done with that real sound! Awesome and unexpected 😂😂👍❤

  • @beans_boy7306
    @beans_boy7306 2 года назад

    I want to se more! And you actually did well because you gained one sec in only one corner: it’s quite impressive.

  • @OscarZheng50
    @OscarZheng50 Год назад +1

    that car could make a good lawn mower

  • @paulsteward9582
    @paulsteward9582 2 года назад

    Martini-inspired livery, i like that touch

  • @adja8038
    @adja8038 2 года назад

    You're onto something here mate

  • @headhunterz135
    @headhunterz135 2 года назад

    When u double the wing area, u do not quadruple the lift(down) force. U just double it BUT when u double the speed then u are quadrupeling the force.
    Sorry for spelling erorrs if there are any.
    Nice vid btw :D

  • @dano4572
    @dano4572 2 года назад

    CUTS THE GRASS PRETTY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @bry29bry
    @bry29bry 2 года назад

    With winter coming and the inevitable frozen pond, how about making an RC sailing ice sled?

  • @tonioriginal3215
    @tonioriginal3215 2 года назад

    I challenge you to do a rc car that actually has a working wing effect and decent aerodynamics next time!

  • @Francisco-jr1bl
    @Francisco-jr1bl 2 года назад

    Awesome video, aerodynamic is really an essencial key to achieve success! Cool Casio W-86!!

  • @SteliosRcdrift
    @SteliosRcdrift 2 года назад +2

    Understeer and slow front end response can be solved with a very fast and high torque steering servo. Especially at higher speeds even without the extra aerodynamics

  • @tomgeorge3726
    @tomgeorge3726 2 года назад

    2:56, "Lift increases to the square of the wing area"
    "Which means doubling the size of the wings doubles the amount of lift or downforce!!!"
    When I went to school, 2 squared == 4...

  • @arnaudcolruyt9403
    @arnaudcolruyt9403 2 года назад

    Everytime i see a clip of Ayrton Senna i get the goosebumps

  • @ArrowProds
    @ArrowProds 2 года назад

    For future car/land-based vehicle experiments, I'd suggest bringing a broom to clear up the track a little heheh

  • @masoon772
    @masoon772 2 года назад

    That car looks smooth and cool

  • @bountykiller9858
    @bountykiller9858 2 года назад

    you diserve 10 million subs

  • @jacobpasco8623
    @jacobpasco8623 2 года назад

    Down force is partially created by the air being deflected upwards but most of the force comes from how the shape of the air foil slows and speeds up air making a low and high pressure on the top and bottom of the wind so the difference in pressure is what creates a majority of the force comes from

  • @crotaflyingsolo4759
    @crotaflyingsolo4759 2 года назад

    PS. Having been involved in RC Car Racing many years ago, (before you were born, dame I'm old) we were doing a lot of wing/airfoil design/experimenting at the track weekly/sometimes daily.
    There was always the point between speed and drag.
    Perfect track conditions lower upsweep more airfoil lower drag downforce more speed, bad track (wet) more upsweep more downforce with more drag slightly lower speed with more control for the conditions.