Constantly the same reprints that no one needs or wants anymore. Nothing new or flavorful. Art is good with this product and that’s it. Oh and the enormous price increase. Like, that’s what’s BS, I’m fortunate to have a pretty good paying job, but a lot of people that go to my LGS’s aren’t so fortunate and haven’t been able to purchase new boxes for a while simply because the value isn’t worth the price anymore, by a long shot.
All those 2.50 dollar basic lands. Its an insult and people completely ignore it. They treat it as acceptable card chaff. That is deserved for just having the opportunity to open packs.
This feels like another experiment by Wizards to see how much consistency they have to put in a set to push both revenue and incite and prey upon gambling by the player base. Personally I hate the portrait cards so it’s absolutely not worth it to me at that price point, would be better off just buying singles I want.
I hated the portraits too, but they were cheaper, so I bought a few as singles, and they're MUCH better looking in person than in photo/render/video. Also, the borderless foil command tower he got is currently about 3.5$ USD.
I'm glad this Video was made, it is proof of WOTCs Greed to push a product and charge more for a "Premium product" but then doesn't really give us Premium cards in said product.
It's ridiculous the sticker price was jacked up by at least 100%, and yet they cut the amount of packs from 12 to 4.....so the effective mark-up is at least 6 times.
Where I work, a single pack is $80 and we have no ability to discount the products. I spent most likely a minimum of $600 where I work - with a marginal discount to get down to that price - on Baldur's Gate solely for Ancient Copper. I love the rush of pulling from packs, but even I can't imagine spending much on a 'premium' set like Commander Masters if the pulls are so hit or miss.
For the price and the fact that its only 4 packs, there should be absolutely NO duplication. Collector boxes in general shouldn't have duplicates, especially back to back bulk cards. That and the fact the cards that do end up holding any value, WOTC will destroy the first chance they get, is why i haven't given wotc money in 3-4 years
I love the part where your talking about your mythics, compose yourself pep talk was amazing, so real on the frustration level, we all feel your pain Matt, much love bro, better luck next time.
I cant be the only one who thinks this box might have been re-sealed? lol. The shrink wrap was a bit sus and the extremely strong glue on the packs? Idk man
i bought a collector box of CMM for myself and it looked exactly like yours. I had 4 cards in it worth mentioning: 2 Commander duals in full art foil and back to back Ur-Dragon Profile Card, one Foil, one none Foil. For around $220 i believe. Last Collector Box of my life, i guess.
1 card out of that box. It has the same price as buying a Bee 52 playing card deck wholesale. The quality difference of the card stock is noticeable between them.
No. I got one for 145 and had $65 in rares and luckily hit one foil frame break lotus to save it. It literally had to be the set chase card to make $40.
What they should of done was the aftermath epilogue treatment. They should of charged $50 to $60 for a mini box of 30 packs with each pack being 5 cards. 1 rare or mythic, 2 uncommon and 3 commons. You get to participate in the product at a *low* entry cost, get access to a pool of very playable cards, don't get too many copies of cards since you only need 1 copy for commander, and wotc wins by not having to print 3x the amount of cardboard of pure jank or bulk nobody is going to use. I think that would of been a much better value proposition.
The reason I cancelled all my preorders. I was hype because of the Jeweled Lotus. I spent $5K in Commander Legends and it doubled my profit and I was able to play the extra cards I had like Jeweled Lotus. A distributor was selling for $135 and $650 for a case. I went to buy instead a $150 Unfinity CB. It got 4 Shock Lands and 1 of those was a Galaxy Foil. I definitely got my money back and profited on the basic lands.
I bought one booster from my lgs for around $60, etched kozilek and foil deflecting swat. I considered myself happy, I had fun with my pulls and refused to roll the dice again lol.
I took the plunge and got a case at the sale price. I was a bit worried but only got a few terrible boxes but none that bad. I think I was just very very lucky 4 lotus and lots of free spells definitely a product that was miss priced. It will be interesting if wotc learns from it or not.
Unfotunately I think they just keep learning the wrong lessons... Doesn't cost much to print, so they really don't need it to be hugely popular in order to make money on it. I bet this was a huge win for them, really.
I feel your pain, I bought a collector box for $150, The only mythic i got was bribery. Not even $50 worth of cards in a COLLECTOR BOX. Wizards is a rip off and so was this cash grab product.
I only.opened one of the collector boosters and got a foil full art demonic tutor, foil etch doubling season and a few other goodies. I think I paid 69 bucks the day they launched or day after.
Yep....I was one of the clowns that bought 4 boxes on release. I felt like the king of clown town. 1 of the boxes was decent but made NO WHERE close to my money back in value.
I got really lucky with my box I paid €250 but I pulled the value in two cards one of them being the full art foiled jeweled lotus. Not the textured but I was still really happy
Damn I feel really lucky now, I purchased one for $200 but ended up opening cards worth around $200 aswell. Am very happy with that outcome after seeing this ;_;
The only two good cards, as is more than $10 that I got in mine were a grand abolisher extended foil and a textured Kozilek… which I was happy to pull a textured card but I dont think I got even half my $ back. I got 0 of the commander specific instants or any of the good new set specific cards… it was bleak! I had already stopped buying boxes and that reminded me why. I bought ALL of the singles I wanted, Ext foil, etched and standard foil play sets of each and a jewled lotus etched for less than what I paid for the box.
I was always under the impression that unless youre opening alot of product that packs are just not the way to go. Been playing since Tempest, and I recommend just trading for/ buying singles and opening prize support, you'll save yourself an absolute fortune and it makes getting shit packs easier to stomach
That's one hell of a whiff! Sorry for your bad luck! I stick to singles these days for commander. I main extra combat werewolves, Rishkar +1/+1 and a precon for precon only nights Virtue and Valor in commander.
Even at the release and the prices were at their highest people were losing money left and right, I can imagine now that the prices have hit the floor on staples in that set
Wizards of the coasts collation is atrocious and I would never tell anyone to buy a masters box of any sort. Especially with a set that the doubled the amount of mythics. Feels bad man.
I got a box when they went down to 200 each. At the time i got about 150 back. Now that 150 looks more like what you got. I was so disappointed in this. I really wanted it to be better.
Even if you manage to sell those, you will lose a third of it to fees, shipping, and taxes. Can be great trade fodder though. If the box was 100, then it would be worth it.
This is why I stepped away from buying WOTC the past 6 months. I will only invest if the risk is low, like any investment. And, it surely is an investment at $100/pack. It’s like WOTC thinks most the player base drive exotic cars and live ocean front in SoCal and use their crypto profits from their ponzy to buy magic cards
There’s no controversy. There was nothing they could’ve put into this set to make it worth it. I know stores have to order stuff to keep their allocation but it should have been obvious the losses this set would cause were not worth keeping your allocation
The most casual players are also the easiest target because a lot of them treat the game too casually to care about prices. They only care about something going into their decks. Even if its a $1 card.
I have to sell my cards while they are still worth something. There's no way the player base and the game itself will endure so many fuc* ups in a roll.
Wow, that was one of the harshest collector booster box openings I've ever seen. I avoided like a plague and bought what I wanted. Not worth even at what you paid
Imagine any other place u recive half the value out of your money, imagine paying a 2023 car and recive a 2018, imagine paying for 2 pounds of meet and just recive 1, that is magic 😉
And then there’s me over here picking up one single pack and opening a non foil frame break Jeweled Lotus and a textured Ur-Dragon in the back slot lmao. My one pack was double the value of this entire box. This was terrible! 🤣
Gee, I wonder why public confidence in WOTC products is so low.
right? such a painful opening experience!! this was a rip off.
Constantly the same reprints that no one needs or wants anymore. Nothing new or flavorful. Art is good with this product and that’s it. Oh and the enormous price increase. Like, that’s what’s BS, I’m fortunate to have a pretty good paying job, but a lot of people that go to my LGS’s aren’t so fortunate and haven’t been able to purchase new boxes for a while simply because the value isn’t worth the price anymore, by a long shot.
thank you for taking one for the team homie
Waiting on the "Pallets of Commander Masters found in Landfill" video any day now.
All those 2.50 dollar basic lands. Its an insult and people completely ignore it. They treat it as acceptable card chaff. That is deserved for just having the opportunity to open packs.
"Festival in a box" here we come 😂😂
This feels like another experiment by Wizards to see how much consistency they have to put in a set to push both revenue and incite and prey upon gambling by the player base. Personally I hate the portrait cards so it’s absolutely not worth it to me at that price point, would be better off just buying singles I want.
I hated the portraits too, but they were cheaper, so I bought a few as singles, and they're MUCH better looking in person than in photo/render/video. Also, the borderless foil command tower he got is currently about 3.5$ USD.
I'm glad this Video was made, it is proof of WOTCs Greed to push a product and charge more for a "Premium product" but then doesn't really give us Premium cards in said product.
"wE nEvEr ClAiMeD iT wAs PrEmIuM" -wotc
Maybe at $100 Ill consider a box. Def not worth it if you have the potential to whiff that hard 😬
It's ridiculous the sticker price was jacked up by at least 100%, and yet they cut the amount of packs from 12 to 4.....so the effective mark-up is at least 6 times.
Where I work, a single pack is $80 and we have no ability to discount the products.
I spent most likely a minimum of $600 where I work - with a marginal discount to get down to that price - on Baldur's Gate solely for Ancient Copper. I love the rush of pulling from packs, but even I can't imagine spending much on a 'premium' set like Commander Masters if the pulls are so hit or miss.
Just buy online?
My condolences
and thank you for removing the literal worst collector box from circulation for us.
🙏
dude. this is exactly how we all felt i imagine. I felt as if something drained the life out of me watching this x)
Dang that's rough, but thank you for doing this so we don't have to.
I had tossed around the idea of getting one at some point, but this is convincing me otherwise.
For the price and the fact that its only 4 packs, there should be absolutely NO duplication. Collector boxes in general shouldn't have duplicates, especially back to back bulk cards. That and the fact the cards that do end up holding any value, WOTC will destroy the first chance they get, is why i haven't given wotc money in 3-4 years
These would be a hard to buy option at 100$ and in 6months when nobody has any $ they will be extremely hard to sell at 100$
the funny part they reprinted most of the value in the bonus sheet of the next STANDARD set.
I love the part where your talking about your mythics, compose yourself pep talk was amazing, so real on the frustration level, we all feel your pain Matt, much love bro, better luck next time.
this felt like a commercial telling me not to buy wizards products lol.
I cant be the only one who thinks this box might have been re-sealed? lol. The shrink wrap was a bit sus and the extremely strong glue on the packs? Idk man
My thought exactly. Super low mythic count and the box looked real weird before he even opened it.
100 percent thinking the same
F. This is a reminder why I'm buying singles. Thanks for taking the hit for us!
It's wild to me how expensive these boosters are and they still contain mostly chaff smh
i bought a collector box of CMM for myself and it looked exactly like yours. I had 4 cards in it worth mentioning: 2 Commander duals in full art foil and back to back Ur-Dragon Profile Card, one Foil, one none Foil. For around $220 i believe. Last Collector Box of my life, i guess.
1 card out of that box. It has the same price as buying a Bee 52 playing card deck wholesale. The quality difference of the card stock is noticeable between them.
No. I got one for 145 and had $65 in rares and luckily hit one foil frame break lotus to save it. It literally had to be the set chase card to make $40.
If! U sell
Very informative and thanks for the info! Use scissors to open your packs though LOL!
What they should of done was the aftermath epilogue treatment.
They should of charged $50 to $60 for a mini box of 30 packs with each pack being 5 cards. 1 rare or mythic, 2 uncommon and 3 commons.
You get to participate in the product at a *low* entry cost, get access to a pool of very playable cards, don't get too many copies of cards since you only need 1 copy for commander, and wotc wins by not having to print 3x the amount of cardboard of pure jank or bulk nobody is going to use.
I think that would of been a much better value proposition.
WHAAT did they have this event at calgary?? how do you hear about stuff like this? i'm out of the loops
The reason I cancelled all my preorders. I was hype because of the Jeweled Lotus. I spent $5K in Commander Legends and it doubled my profit and I was able to play the extra cards I had like Jeweled Lotus. A distributor was selling for $135 and $650 for a case. I went to buy instead a $150 Unfinity CB. It got 4 Shock Lands and 1 of those was a Galaxy Foil. I definitely got my money back and profited on the basic lands.
I bought one booster from my lgs for around $60, etched kozilek and foil deflecting swat. I considered myself happy, I had fun with my pulls and refused to roll the dice again lol.
I got lucky and through a promotion i got a box for $190. If i payed full price with what i pulled ide have felt awful.
If there was 12 packs in it, then yes. It is such a rip off on some of these boxes. I am done with WotC
I took the plunge and got a case at the sale price. I was a bit worried but only got a few terrible boxes but none that bad. I think I was just very very lucky 4 lotus and lots of free spells definitely a product that was miss priced. It will be interesting if wotc learns from it or not.
Unfotunately I think they just keep learning the wrong lessons... Doesn't cost much to print, so they really don't need it to be hugely popular in order to make money on it. I bet this was a huge win for them, really.
I feel your pain, I bought a collector box for $150, The only mythic i got was bribery. Not even $50 worth of cards in a COLLECTOR BOX. Wizards is a rip off and so was this cash grab product.
I only.opened one of the collector boosters and got a foil full art demonic tutor, foil etch doubling season and a few other goodies. I think I paid 69 bucks the day they launched or day after.
I shit you not we must’ve opened the same box. I was gobsmacked seeing how many of the same cards we pulled from the packs
I was cosidering buy one collector box...😬not so sure now😅i don't know...maybe...
You get less than 1/2 a packs cost & you feel ok with that?
Yep....I was one of the clowns that bought 4 boxes on release. I felt like the king of clown town. 1 of the boxes was decent but made NO WHERE close to my money back in value.
I got really lucky with my box I paid €250 but I pulled the value in two cards one of them being the full art foiled jeweled lotus. Not the textured but I was still really happy
Those Selvala would pay for your entire booster box where I’m from IF you got it for 150$usd those Selvala go for 50$ non foil
Damn I feel really lucky now, I purchased one for $200 but ended up opening cards worth around $200 aswell. Am very happy with that outcome after seeing this ;_;
The only two good cards, as is more than $10 that I got in mine were a grand abolisher extended foil and a textured Kozilek… which I was happy to pull a textured card but I dont think I got even half my $ back. I got 0 of the commander specific instants or any of the good new set specific cards… it was bleak! I had already stopped buying boxes and that reminded me why. I bought ALL of the singles I wanted, Ext foil, etched and standard foil play sets of each and a jewled lotus etched for less than what I paid for the box.
I was always under the impression that unless youre opening alot of product that packs are just not the way to go. Been playing since Tempest, and I recommend just trading for/ buying singles and opening prize support, you'll save yourself an absolute fortune and it makes getting shit packs easier to stomach
Done with boosters for years thanks for the Video
That's one hell of a whiff! Sorry for your bad luck! I stick to singles these days for commander. I main extra combat werewolves, Rishkar +1/+1 and a precon for precon only nights Virtue and Valor in commander.
Even at the release and the prices were at their highest people were losing money left and right, I can imagine now that the prices have hit the floor on staples in that set
Proxy cards. Screw wotc and screw people that cry about proxies.
In Canada, insane prices.. agreed! 💯💯
Im new to Magic but you know Wizards is taking the absolute piss because the $50 a pack cards cost the same to print as the 0.10 cent commons
Wizards of the coasts collation is atrocious and I would never tell anyone to buy a masters box of any sort. Especially with a set that the doubled the amount of mythics. Feels bad man.
That command tower is actually worth more than lots of the rares
I got a box when they went down to 200 each. At the time i got about 150 back. Now that 150 looks more like what you got. I was so disappointed in this. I really wanted it to be better.
I dropped a tear for you it even hurt me
Haven't bought one single pack I went straight for singles this set made a lot of cards cheap
I bought one for this price too. It was roughly break even. Kinda meh
Opened one pack on a lark, got a doubling season and figured it's only down from there and didn't touch another pack
Project booster fun! DID YA HAVE FUN SON?
Oof, that was a rough one for sure
i love how you say that 3rd pack was okay when it's litterally utter garbarge
I can buy collector boxes for 130 bucks here in Japan ^^
Honestly if you want specific treatment get this if not get a draft or set booster. Or buy the card at ur local lgs.
Took it in the shorts on that one. We all been in your shoes, thanks for the vid tho! +1
Yup, avoided this product like the plague
Even if you manage to sell those, you will lose a third of it to fees, shipping, and taxes. Can be great trade fodder though. If the box was 100, then it would be worth it.
Matt, I got the same crap box when I got mine for 170
Ouch
buy a case and post that opening 1 box is no where near a large enough sample size to judge a sets value.
I was just thinking about this.
6:44 😁very accurate
I throw exactly this two cards out of a gift pack in the Sliver commander😂🎉
Textured Jeweled Lotus or bust!
This is why I stepped away from buying WOTC the past 6 months. I will only invest if the risk is low, like any investment. And, it surely is an investment at $100/pack. It’s like WOTC thinks most the player base drive exotic cars and live ocean front in SoCal and use their crypto profits from their ponzy to buy magic cards
That is a really good price. I woulda done it too
The draft boosters are better then the collector boosters all day
Seeing Commons after the Land card, in collector packs, is just bad
Got a good price on set booster and it was worth it.....collector boxes are to risky for me.
$40 a pack should have been the starting price on this product
Watched it now and I’m sorry for your pain my friend…
Unlucky with those pulls! It's the gamble aspect of packs, buy singles everyone!
There’s no controversy. There was nothing they could’ve put into this set to make it worth it. I know stores have to order stuff to keep their allocation but it should have been obvious the losses this set would cause were not worth keeping your allocation
Only thing good from this was the enchantment deck. 3 of my friends got it and it slaps right out the box.
The most casual players are also the easiest target because a lot of them treat the game too casually to care about prices. They only care about something going into their decks. Even if its a $1 card.
I have to sell my cards while they are still worth something. There's no way the player base and the game itself will endure so many fuc* ups in a roll.
Wow, that was one of the harshest collector booster box openings I've ever seen. I avoided like a plague and bought what I wanted. Not worth even at what you paid
I bought 1 on Amazon in USA for $143. Hit the textured lotus. But yeah nuts
Ouch!!! What an unfortunate box opening.
They seemed to stabilize at 200$ us
I bought masters 2022, I skipped this set entirely and you can see why. Bought singles of some extended arts.
Now what did we learn today don’t buy sealed product
4:35 This hurts so much already.
Imagine any other place u recive half the value out of your money, imagine paying a 2023 car and recive a 2018, imagine paying for 2 pounds of meet and just recive 1, that is magic 😉
IF YOU WANT VALUE BUY SINGLES. Especially the commander product!
Here you can see the five stages of grief combined in one video
Thanks for the reality check! 😂👍
WotC seems to get insanely greedy. A collector box with 4 packs should not be charged more then like MAX 100$
Ouch. That was a terrible box. The collector boxes are the only boxes worth opening in this ridiculously priced set but they are high roll
Matt's inside voice wanted to come out.... "THIS IS HORSESHIT!!!" I just know it. oh... i mean his voice is Canadian... "Those Hosers Aye!!"
WOW THAT'S ALMOST WIORTH IT
Seems about right.
Commander precons and singles
Wild that even 150$ is too much for this
This is why i only play limited. Even then though with these dumb extra sheets monetary value is still a thing.
Buy singles, not sealed!
And then there’s me over here picking up one single pack and opening a non foil frame break Jeweled Lotus and a textured Ur-Dragon in the back slot lmao. My one pack was double the value of this entire box. This was terrible! 🤣
walked into my LGS saw a single collector in the glass cabinet, opened it and got the textured Jeweled lotus lol
Nice flexing. Nobody is interested
@@kevineeckman6174 You seem sad. I hope you have a better day bud. 😁