u/Difficult-Parfait627 had a really interesting theory on the fanganronpa subreddit, so I thought I should share it here to see what you all thought. I just changed the formatting. J. Here’s why: one, I think the killer is someone with a supposed alibi. I think the killer made the note to give themselves an alibi, and made everyone think the murder happened at 7 PM (more proof is the fish. If the killer got the fish and placed them there, it’d make people think the crime was committed at 7 PM. But the killer could’ve gotten them earlier and just placed them there at 7 AM the next day. I don’t know any other reason as to why the fish would be there, because even if Arei was drowned or something, the fish wouldn’t stick to her.) that doesn’t single out J, but that does put her on the suspect list. Second point: how I think the murder happened. I think the killer tied the rope from the ceiling, then tied the rope around Arei’s neck while was on the merry-go round, and spun it to spin her up, then tied her legs to it to make it go back down. That way, from the fall from the ceiling, would break her neck. The cast established that the swingset woudlnt be tall enough to break her neck. What’s taller than the swingset? Well; the ceiling. More proof is that the ceiling was messed up a bit. Cool story, right? But you’re probably wondering how that implicates J. Well, J is an effects artist, and has experience setting up stage plays likely. A lot of work in those is to do with tying things to the top of the stage, and maneuvering them with ropes and other such tools. Similar to what I said, right? Point number three, the lights. What’s J’s custom weapon again? Point number 4; the fact that J could’ve easily overheard the convo between Eden and Arturo. Think about it. Eden clearly didn’t write him a note, so she had to go up to him in person. Arturo was stalking J. Meaning Eden would’ve had to of gone up to Arturo while J was right there. So she’d know when and where they were meeting. Also, she’s let slip about the fact that she knows he has a sister. The note mentioned his sister. So it’s incredibly likely that J couldve used that knowledge to lure out Arei. J was in the best position to overhear Arturo and Eden talk. No one would’ve been with her, and she heard them talk about meeting up. Point number 5: the tape. Now, let’s discuss the tape. The tape disappeared from the gym AS SOON as Ace bolted up, not a moment sooner, not a moment later. Once Ace was up, even before Eden tried to get up, it was already out of the gym, no where to be seen. I think Ace likely kicked it out of the gym. The door was already open, so it’s not impossible. And he was directly in front of the door. Now, recall: who was the first to go to the gym in the morning? J. Meaning J had a prime opportunity to get the tape. Even if she didn’t get it then. It’s still suspicious that she was trying to get into the gym, you know, the place where the tape was, and you know, a key part of the crime. Point number 6: Arei’s missing glove. Now, if you payed close attention, Arei’s glove wasn’t on her hand. Meaning the killer likely took it for some reason. And why else would you take a glove than to wear it yourself? Now, there’s two criteria you’d need to meet for this to be suspicious. One, you’d need to be similar in size to Arei. Two, you would have to lack gloves. Arei and J are the same height, similar weight, and J lacks gloves. So now you’re wondering, even if J took the glove, where would it be? Well recall where J said she’d look when trying to find Arei. Arei’s room. J could’ve simply hidden Arei’s glove in her room. And now, point number 7: a very suspicious comment J made. In ep.10, near the beginning, J says something along the lines up “The note you tore up and threw in the trash”. Not very suspicious, right? Wrong. No one ever mentioned the note being thrown in the trash. Teruko only said “the note I tasked you to reconstruct.” Maybe J just saw Rose tip over the trash can? Wrong. J was on guard duty, she couldn’t have left the crime scene and seen Rose tip over the trash can. Of course, there’s some plausible deniability, but I think this is a very strange comment. All the evidence lines up against J. Now, her motive you’re probably wondering. Her secret was already revealed, so why would she kill? Well, recall in chapter 1, where the motive had no part in the killing. MonoTV is rather incompetent, the series makes you know that. So I have a theory that the running theme of this series is that the motives will factor in very little into the killings. Cool, but what would J’s motive be then? Well, it seems like she’s having to relive a life she wanted to get away from. All eyes are on her, marveling, and downplaying the hell she’s went through and tried so desperately to escape from. So, what’s her only escape from it again? Murder. You’re probably asking then why not just kill Arturo? Well killing Arturo would be suicide, she’d be the most obvious suspect. Plus, killing Arei allows her to frame two people off the bat, Eden and Arturo. Killing Arei is simply the most logical thing to do, a win-win. I hope I’ve detailed why I think J is rather suspicious, and maybe even convinced you.
@@othergrimm6592 not necessarily, she could have done it while feigning an alibi. Step 1. Lure Arie out with the note. Step 2. Enter a crowded location before the specified time to create the illusion of an alibi. Step 3. At some point quickly duck out to meet up with Arie. Step 4. Knock her unconscious by any means. Step 5. Apply the tape to her mouth and hang the noose over her neck. Step 6. Use some sort of improved automatic pulley system to choke her out. Step 7. Return to your previous location to further establish an alibi.
@@lostmemory1142 Except, from the most recent episode, J was with David and Veronika the entire time between 7:30 and 8, the (presumed) time of the murder. If any of the three had left at any point, I’m pretty sure the other two would have mentioned it.
I feel like the jugs were used as weights for the rope. Not only were the jugs broken but both jugs were broken by the handle meaning something was tied around them, the weight of the jugs filled with fish and water were hanging by the rope until the weight caused them to break and spill all over the floor. Maybe Arei was tied to the rope and bound. The jugs breaking might have been intentional and acted like a time. With no weight on the rope then Arei would get dragged up and he neck would break from the impact of hitting the swings. The extra time you mentioned would be for the killer to remove the tape from Arei’s wrists and dump the broke jugs and extra rope.
I don't think the jugs held water, but they most likely held the starch because starch is heavier than water. Arei, being killed at 7:30am, gives time for the jugs to break after a certain period of time from holding the rope in some way. The killer then tried to clean it up with the clothes, but maybe they couldn't get everything so they dumped the water at the scene. That last part is a big guess, though.
Could it be inside of the starched up ball of clothes? We just saw Hu and Teruko’s clothes on the outside, but nobody looked to see if there was anything else in it. I’m not 100% sure *why* the glove would in be there (maybe it was used in the culprit’s idea to clean up the mess using clothes?) but it’s the only place I think it could be hidden without anyone immediately noticing or thinking of
Random, but based on the video released today, could the glove have been used with the tape on the carousel in order to drop Arei from the rafters with enough friction to stop it quick enough for the jerk to snap her neck?
FIRST GUESS: EDEN IS THE CULPRIT SECOND GUESS: ITS WHIT THE CULPRIT THIRD GUESS: ITS NICO OR HU, THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER Fourth suspect: J could be the killer because of what she said about the note in episode 10 at 1:11. Nobody told her that the note was in the trash and she was securing the body When the killer gets announced i Will come back at this comment
the only thing I disagree with is I think the killer broke the starch jugs on purpose so no one would think they were used. I also really want to know how starch was involved here. and what the water was washing away if it wasn't the starch. it's not like Arei was covered in wounds and bleeding. maybe the culprit was?
Hear me out. The 2 jugs were filled with starch, right? That made them heavy. And they're both broken at the handle in almost the same way. I propose both jugs were hooked by the handle to a bar or smth and used to make a makeshift weight like in the literary masterpiece "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" and it got dropped on Arei's neck, killing her. Case closed. You can have Arturo disfigured now.
I think the turpentine was used to knock out arei i dont have a full reason why but Arturo is wearing a mask so it wouldn't have been a problem for him with the turpentine making him pass out
Ooo great video! It’s been awhile since I’ve seen ch.2, but this theory checks out for me in making sense. Oh and for fun, I remember I wrote back awhile in a discord about who I think the killer is. So imma post it here if anyone wants to read it or have discussions about it before this Friday when the episode airs: “Now I need to think over this more and review some evidence. BUT someone mentioned in the comments that the starch ball Charles found formed because of the mist from the relaxation room. Also, who said they were in the laundry room? Levi. Not to mention while I was off track of keep thinking David was the killer(which my David bias definitely didn’t help), I was a bit confused on “Wait…I get Arei technically knew his secret and that’s why he would probably kill her for it, but it was Whit who had the secret and that Arei found out from by looking over. Wouldn’t he targeted Whit as he could’ve assume Arei was lying that she glance over and that maybe Whit shared the secret to her?” Then it hit me, the murderer would want to go after Arei because of her secret right? She had the “You are a murder and you hold no remorse”. And Levi had hers. Perhaps Levi wasn’t planning on killing her at first due to her not revealing his and him technically having hers as blackmail. *But she already revealed hers to David and Teruko* , this makes his blackmail pointless. So what does he do to hide his past he’s trying to change from? Murders Arei.” Ultimately I’m still going with this prediction and if your AM theory is true, then I can see a good route how Levi was able to do this.
Idk, I feel like the culprit will be one of the people who had an alibi for 7:30pm. Simply for narrative reasons. Cause when the cast realizes that the murder probably happened around 7:30am, everyone will panic because now nobody has an actual alibi and they pretty much wasted all of their time talking about completely irrelevant alibis. So wouldn't this twist kinda lose its impact when it turns out that culprit is someone who didn't have an alibi anyway? "Okay we talked about our alibis, so the culprit is one of the few people that were unaccounted for. BUT OH NO! AREI DIED AT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TIME! NOW EVERYBODY IS A SUSPECT AGAIN! Oh wait, nevermind, the culprit is someone that we already suspected anyway. Lucky us!" So I think the culprit will be one of the following people: Eden, Hu, Arturo, J, Veronika, Whit or Charles
@@snakesareamazingunless ofc the one that brings up that discrepancy is one of those. Or they otherwise lead people to notice that. People would assume the culprit to do such a trick if they had an alibi at the assumed time so in a way not having an alibi could create an alibi of assumption
@megarotom1590 Well Charles is most likely the one that brings it up next episode. And are you saying that someone without an alibi could purposefully make the people with an alibi look more suspicious....by making the others think the culprit tried to trick everyone into thinking that the crime happened at 7:30pm, which would lead to everyone believing the culprit must be someone with an alibi? Even tho that's not the case? That sounds pretty confusing tbh. And it would mean the culprit would have to rely on the cast realizing that Arei wasn't actually killed at 7:30pm. Which is an incredibly risky move, especially with this cast, who constantly jumps to conclusions without thinking it through
@@snakesareamazing yeah it is but high risk for high reward, sides even if they jump on the PM train, if there’s far more suspicious people I think it’d still be safe…also could have a plan to bring it up if nobody else does though let others point it out instead If possible
Not the 'almost christmas' argument XD (Srsly though, this theory stuck pretty well even with the new ep) SPOILER: I think that the water was used to cool down the body, making them think it was not a recent murder as they suggested in ep 12
u/Difficult-Parfait627 had a really interesting theory on the fanganronpa subreddit, so I thought I should share it here to see what you all thought. I just changed the formatting.
J. Here’s why: one, I think the killer is someone with a supposed alibi. I think the killer made the note to give themselves an alibi, and made everyone think the murder happened at 7 PM (more proof is the fish. If the killer got the fish and placed them there, it’d make people think the crime was committed at 7 PM. But the killer could’ve gotten them earlier and just placed them there at 7 AM the next day. I don’t know any other reason as to why the fish would be there, because even if Arei was drowned or something, the fish wouldn’t stick to her.) that doesn’t single out J, but that does put her on the suspect list.
Second point: how I think the murder happened. I think the killer tied the rope from the ceiling, then tied the rope around Arei’s neck while was on the merry-go round, and spun it to spin her up, then tied her legs to it to make it go back down. That way, from the fall from the ceiling, would break her neck. The cast established that the swingset woudlnt be tall enough to break her neck. What’s taller than the swingset? Well; the ceiling. More proof is that the ceiling was messed up a bit. Cool story, right? But you’re probably wondering how that implicates J. Well, J is an effects artist, and has experience setting up stage plays likely. A lot of work in those is to do with tying things to the top of the stage, and maneuvering them with ropes and other such tools. Similar to what I said, right? Point number three, the lights. What’s J’s custom weapon again?
Point number 4; the fact that J could’ve easily overheard the convo between Eden and Arturo. Think about it. Eden clearly didn’t write him a note, so she had to go up to him in person. Arturo was stalking J. Meaning Eden would’ve had to of gone up to Arturo while J was right there. So she’d know when and where they were meeting. Also, she’s let slip about the fact that she knows he has a sister. The note mentioned his sister. So it’s incredibly likely that J couldve used that knowledge to lure out Arei. J was in the best position to overhear Arturo and Eden talk. No one would’ve been with her, and she heard them talk about meeting up.
Point number 5: the tape. Now, let’s discuss the tape. The tape disappeared from the gym AS SOON as Ace bolted up, not a moment sooner, not a moment later. Once Ace was up, even before Eden tried to get up, it was already out of the gym, no where to be seen. I think Ace likely kicked it out of the gym. The door was already open, so it’s not impossible. And he was directly in front of the door. Now, recall: who was the first to go to the gym in the morning? J. Meaning J had a prime opportunity to get the tape. Even if she didn’t get it then. It’s still suspicious that she was trying to get into the gym, you know, the place where the tape was, and you know, a key part of the crime.
Point number 6: Arei’s missing glove. Now, if you payed close attention, Arei’s glove wasn’t on her hand. Meaning the killer likely took it for some reason. And why else would you take a glove than to wear it yourself? Now, there’s two criteria you’d need to meet for this to be suspicious. One, you’d need to be similar in size to Arei. Two, you would have to lack gloves. Arei and J are the same height, similar weight, and J lacks gloves. So now you’re wondering, even if J took the glove, where would it be? Well recall where J said she’d look when trying to find Arei. Arei’s room. J could’ve simply hidden Arei’s glove in her room.
And now, point number 7: a very suspicious comment J made. In ep.10, near the beginning, J says something along the lines up “The note you tore up and threw in the trash”. Not very suspicious, right? Wrong. No one ever mentioned the note being thrown in the trash. Teruko only said “the note I tasked you to reconstruct.” Maybe J just saw Rose tip over the trash can? Wrong. J was on guard duty, she couldn’t have left the crime scene and seen Rose tip over the trash can. Of course, there’s some plausible deniability, but I think this is a very strange comment. All the evidence lines up against J. Now, her motive you’re probably wondering. Her secret was already revealed, so why would she kill? Well, recall in chapter 1, where the motive had no part in the killing. MonoTV is rather incompetent, the series makes you know that. So I have a theory that the running theme of this series is that the motives will factor in very little into the killings. Cool, but what would J’s motive be then? Well, it seems like she’s having to relive a life she wanted to get away from. All eyes are on her, marveling, and downplaying the hell she’s went through and tried so desperately to escape from. So, what’s her only escape from it again? Murder. You’re probably asking then why not just kill Arturo? Well killing Arturo would be suicide, she’d be the most obvious suspect. Plus, killing Arei allows her to frame two people off the bat, Eden and Arturo. Killing Arei is simply the most logical thing to do, a win-win. I hope I’ve detailed why I think J is rather suspicious, and maybe even convinced you.
I hope not. I like J. Also, her having an alibi for the morning hopefully disproves that theory.
@@othergrimm6592 not necessarily, she could have done it while feigning an alibi.
Step 1. Lure Arie out with the note.
Step 2. Enter a crowded location before the specified time to create the illusion of an alibi.
Step 3. At some point quickly duck out to meet up with Arie.
Step 4. Knock her unconscious by any means.
Step 5. Apply the tape to her mouth and hang the noose over her neck.
Step 6. Use some sort of improved automatic pulley system to choke her out.
Step 7. Return to your previous location to further establish an alibi.
@@lostmemory1142 Except, from the most recent episode, J was with David and Veronika the entire time between 7:30 and 8, the (presumed) time of the murder. If any of the three had left at any point, I’m pretty sure the other two would have mentioned it.
Wait wha- i didnt notice J Said it
I feel like the jugs were used as weights for the rope. Not only were the jugs broken but both jugs were broken by the handle meaning something was tied around them, the weight of the jugs filled with fish and water were hanging by the rope until the weight caused them to break and spill all over the floor.
Maybe Arei was tied to the rope and bound. The jugs breaking might have been intentional and acted like a time. With no weight on the rope then Arei would get dragged up and he neck would break from the impact of hitting the swings. The extra time you mentioned would be for the killer to remove the tape from Arei’s wrists and dump the broke jugs and extra rope.
I don't think the jugs held water, but they most likely held the starch because starch is heavier than water. Arei, being killed at 7:30am, gives time for the jugs to break after a certain period of time from holding the rope in some way. The killer then tried to clean it up with the clothes, but maybe they couldn't get everything so they dumped the water at the scene. That last part is a big guess, though.
you were right about the jugs being used as weights!
Omg this video is aged like wine
Today, will be the deciding day. I love how they caught on to the time misdirection.
Also, Arei’s glove is missing.
Could it be inside of the starched up ball of clothes? We just saw Hu and Teruko’s clothes on the outside, but nobody looked to see if there was anything else in it.
I’m not 100% sure *why* the glove would in be there (maybe it was used in the culprit’s idea to clean up the mess using clothes?) but it’s the only place I think it could be hidden without anyone immediately noticing or thinking of
These five words are going to keep me up at night
Random, but based on the video released today, could the glove have been used with the tape on the carousel in order to drop Arei from the rafters with enough friction to stop it quick enough for the jerk to snap her neck?
@@randomness7867 haha
Interesting answers, but of course, it leads to more questions.
What purpose was there to use starch.
Who was not accounted for in the morning
Your seeing it the wrong way. We need to know the alibis of the Eden/Arturo encounter
FIRST GUESS: EDEN IS THE CULPRIT
SECOND GUESS: ITS WHIT THE CULPRIT
THIRD GUESS: ITS NICO OR HU, THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER
Fourth suspect: J could be the killer because of what she said about the note in episode 10 at 1:11. Nobody told her that the note was in the trash and she was securing the body
When the killer gets announced i Will come back at this comment
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Oh God... You were so wrong
Well…
WE'RE SO BACK AGAIN
TRUE! I'm excited for the new episodes.
@@liamlestin312 same! i really love your theories too!
Buddy got it right😢
the only thing I disagree with is I think the killer broke the starch jugs on purpose so no one would think they were used.
I also really want to know how starch was involved here. and what the water was washing away if it wasn't the starch. it's not like Arei was covered in wounds and bleeding. maybe the culprit was?
Hear me out. The 2 jugs were filled with starch, right? That made them heavy. And they're both broken at the handle in almost the same way. I propose both jugs were hooked by the handle to a bar or smth and used to make a makeshift weight like in the literary masterpiece "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" and it got dropped on Arei's neck, killing her. Case closed. You can have Arturo disfigured now.
I think the turpentine was used to knock out arei i dont have a full reason why but Arturo is wearing a mask so it wouldn't have been a problem for him with the turpentine making him pass out
Guys, remind me of one thing. Did Arei even receive the letter?
We don't know yet. It seems like it is, but it's implied in such a way that we don't know if this is true or fake (the note and the time).
Ooo great video! It’s been awhile since I’ve seen ch.2, but this theory checks out for me in making sense. Oh and for fun, I remember I wrote back awhile in a discord about who I think the killer is. So imma post it here if anyone wants to read it or have discussions about it before this Friday when the episode airs:
“Now I need to think over this more and review some evidence. BUT someone mentioned in the comments that the starch ball Charles found formed because of the mist from the relaxation room. Also, who said they were in the laundry room? Levi. Not to mention while I was off track of keep thinking David was the killer(which my David bias definitely didn’t help), I was a bit confused on “Wait…I get Arei technically knew his secret and that’s why he would probably kill her for it, but it was Whit who had the secret and that Arei found out from by looking over. Wouldn’t he targeted Whit as he could’ve assume Arei was lying that she glance over and that maybe Whit shared the secret to her?” Then it hit me, the murderer would want to go after Arei because of her secret right? She had the “You are a murder and you hold no remorse”. And Levi had hers. Perhaps Levi wasn’t planning on killing her at first due to her not revealing his and him technically having hers as blackmail. *But she already revealed hers to David and Teruko* , this makes his blackmail pointless. So what does he do to hide his past he’s trying to change from? Murders Arei.”
Ultimately I’m still going with this prediction and if your AM theory is true, then I can see a good route how Levi was able to do this.
My money is on Levi
Idk, I feel like the culprit will be one of the people who had an alibi for 7:30pm. Simply for narrative reasons. Cause when the cast realizes that the murder probably happened around 7:30am, everyone will panic because now nobody has an actual alibi and they pretty much wasted all of their time talking about completely irrelevant alibis. So wouldn't this twist kinda lose its impact when it turns out that culprit is someone who didn't have an alibi anyway?
"Okay we talked about our alibis, so the culprit is one of the few people that were unaccounted for. BUT OH NO! AREI DIED AT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TIME! NOW EVERYBODY IS A SUSPECT AGAIN! Oh wait, nevermind, the culprit is someone that we already suspected anyway. Lucky us!"
So I think the culprit will be one of the following people: Eden, Hu, Arturo, J, Veronika, Whit or Charles
@@snakesareamazing I agree
@@snakesareamazingunless ofc the one that brings up that discrepancy is one of those. Or they otherwise lead people to notice that. People would assume the culprit to do such a trick if they had an alibi at the assumed time so in a way not having an alibi could create an alibi of assumption
@megarotom1590 Well Charles is most likely the one that brings it up next episode. And are you saying that someone without an alibi could purposefully make the people with an alibi look more suspicious....by making the others think the culprit tried to trick everyone into thinking that the crime happened at 7:30pm, which would lead to everyone believing the culprit must be someone with an alibi? Even tho that's not the case? That sounds pretty confusing tbh. And it would mean the culprit would have to rely on the cast realizing that Arei wasn't actually killed at 7:30pm. Which is an incredibly risky move, especially with this cast, who constantly jumps to conclusions without thinking it through
@@snakesareamazing yeah it is but high risk for high reward, sides even if they jump on the PM train, if there’s far more suspicious people I think it’d still be safe…also could have a plan to bring it up if nobody else does though let others point it out instead If possible
Not the 'almost christmas' argument XD (Srsly though, this theory stuck pretty well even with the new ep)
SPOILER:
I think that the water was used to cool down the body, making them think it was not a recent murder as they suggested in ep 12
PEAK
banger video
I am CONVINCED Ace did it
oh twin
@@yehshuhuasupremacy holy hell i am (prolly) right
Dude your vids are good, Ic I notice you uploading more I’ll definitely sub.
I think it’s Hu
Please don’t let it be Ace oh my god please no
This aged too well
HI LIAM WAVES
I want to hope Ace is the culprit ngl he's becoming an overdramatic
You got your wish 😭