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Just wanted to say that most things apply to information in general and then read this comment. The site is nice but it can't replace proper research. As a russian who knows english I'd describe the situation in western media as an arificial information sphere, built around the people. Westerners claim to have "free media" unlike other nations. But I think the only difference of "free media" from traditional old-fashioned propaganda that it is descreet, complex and bilt using new technologies. Even troublemakers like Fox News are part of this system. PS sorry for politics but you've started it yourself :)
@@Reginvalt We can openly criticise our politicians and even top level leaders in the media and also online, using our real names. That is a free media. Try that in Russia. You speak more to propaganda and media manipulation which I agree we are certainly not immune to.
@@Stigstigster What you say is another example of western propaganda. Westerners are made to think that they know something about Russia, Iran and so on. In fact they don't.
The most disgusting type of fake like this is "animal rescue" type videos where the animal abusers that run the channel will, for example, adopt a cat, film them being checked out by a vet, and then put them in real danger repeatedly (putting them in a pit with venomous snakes, for instance), sometimes even resulting in their death. They then "rescue" the animal from the horrible situation that they put the animal in, then cut to them being checked out by the vet from when they got the animal. It's absolutely disgusting.
Discovery Channel got caught doing similarly with one of their fake shows, some animal control guy was "rescuing" a bunch of snakes that had infested some building and as I recall a reptile expert who saw the episode recognized that most of the species on camera were not native to the country it was being filmed in and would have to have been imported to even be there.
@@jeffumbach That doesn't necessarily mean Discovery imported them or put them there, there are loads of people who import animals (often illegally) with the intent to sell them as pets, criminal stuff happens and they end up uncared for. I'm just going by what you've said, there very well may be more evidence but based on what you said alone it really doesn't support the conclusion. That'd be a really high risk low reward thing for Discovery to do, what with all the potential legal issues, animal rights activists, the people who supervise the use of animals in movies and television (forget the name) would probably blacklist them, etc. And that said, I hate what Discovery channel has become in the past decade or two, loads of low effort, shitty, non-scientific shows (much like the History channel these days), but it just doesn't add up for them to do that.
@@chemputer I don't believe they were referring to the actual discovery channel. I am fairly certain they are referring to these RUclips channels that are showing abused animals for money. Where lets say a cat is found under a house or in some deep hole wherever. Then said person finds said animal and films it makes a video and profits out of a fake scenario that was essentially staged for views and monetary gain. Not only that but some of these channel owners put animals in incredibly dangerous scenarios in order to garner viral views for a bigger payout. Obviously not all RUclips channels around animal rescue are fakes but some most definitely are and it makes it difficult to distinguish where you want to support animal rescues.
@@SwordKingsTV Mate, he said "Discovery Channel got caught doing this exact thing on one of their fake shows..." I don't know how you interpreted that as a anything other than the Discovery Channel. It's pretty explicit. The amount of mental gymnastics necessary to interpret it any other way is just far too much for anyone to realistically read his comment and think "huh, yeah, no, despite him clearly saying DISCOVERY CHANNEL and FAKE ANIMAL RESCUE SHOWS, it's talking about RUclips videos and the concept in general." As you laid out essentially the same concept I did in my original comment, did you think I was somehow replying to myself in my original comment, and didn't realize the two were made by the same person? I'm genuinely baffled how you could get to the conclusion you seem to, so there must be some confusion somewhere.
Regardless of whether it's fake or not, i wish they didn't use the most aggresive techniques to "restore" them like evaporust and sandblasting. It might encourage people to ruin gun finishes that could be salvaged.
There's far too many people in the gun community who value modern features and functionality over historic value and authenticity. The new restoration trend (when done poorly and without consideration for collectability) is just the latest manifestation of Bubba jobs.
Is evaporust that bad? Looking at the Project Farm comparison videos it seemed on the safer end, but they didn't test its effects on old bluing or anything so I'm not sure.
@@HTacianas I have a Mannlicher 88/90 coming in from RTI. They tend to be in rough shape so I will be restoring it, but I'm only doing it to preserve it you know? I see it okay in these circumstances since they typically have no bluing and the stock is rough rough. But I try to do no sanding or removing of markings or stain.
This is exactly like how after that one guy’s survival channel came out, hundreds of copy channels where they were clearly using heavy machinery and fake survival skills to build “mansion huts,” in the jungle.
Yeah, the original is a guy in Australia who does very simple but very feasible work. No quick cuts or massive time jumps - and really the most he makes are primitive but practical hovels basically. Compared to the tens of fakes in predominantly Indonesia and Thailand which somehow present the idea that two guys with bamboo sticks, mud, and a nearby stream can somehow make a mansion or a swimming pool deeper and wider than a house's foundation.
Just a note: some non-metal objects can get rusty if they are in contact with steel for a very long period of time. I've had rusty shells from the beach because the shells got caught on, say, a steel beam. and the rust got on the shell. I'm not sure exactly what this process entails but I have seen it with my own eyes. I'm assuming this is from rusted chunks of metal separating from the main body of the part and adhering to the nonmetal item.
Shells are made of calcium carbonate, Calcium is a silvery-white, soft metal that tarnishes rapidly in air and reacts with water. Might have something to do with it? :)
Rust stains can get on anything - plastic, concrete, tile, cloth and even wood. The trick is that they are only stains and not real rust which can be chipped off.
@@danielreed5199 calcium carbonate is very different than calcium metal... even if dissolved in acid (like acid rain on limestone), it will become carbonic acid (fizzy soda) and calcium IONS still not metal, which will either just float around until they become limestone again, or form some other calcium salt but never metal. I'm pretty sure the rust is simply geting splashed on it by waves or similar, and then drying in place again and staining it/crusting it externally, not chemically. Forms on the steel beam, flakes off, gets on stuff.
@@elonmust7470 Of course it is. If you've ever come across a flood damaged toolbox, the water rusts the steel parts of the tools and some of the rust ends up in the water where it settles on the surface of non-ferrous handles which doesn't come off without chemical intervention.
I like some of the "mild fake" videos where it's clear the point is to showcase how to fix everyday objects that an ordinary person might realistically need to fix. I saw one where the author literally left a cast iron pan out in the rain for like a week and let it rust, and then went to town showing how you (relatively) easily restore it, with the point being that cast iron pans quite literally can and should last you a lifetime, even if you mess up and let it rust. There is a significant difference between people messing up antiques for content, and people messing up cheap(ish) everyday objects to show how to fix it for the educational aspect of it.
antique is a relative term and most are entirely without value. what actual value does an antique gun have except to collectors and fanatics? there are always going to be a handful in museums or collectors basements, but otherwise they would just be sitting there collecting dust. let them do with what they rightfully own what they please.
I think the most fake part is they imply living in a hole is safe and won't be horribly mouldy... then you have monsoon season and your clay hole is a puddle.
Or the sheer danger of unsupported dirt/soil. Even a strong clay can suddenly collapse esp with water involved. And less than a cubic meter of soil could easily kill you in a pit or trench. Dirt's heavy, unsupported digging is very dangerous even if you know what your doing.
If the "mild fake" videos would be done honestly, they would give interesting information tbh. The content creator could demonstrate the difference before and after the restoration and teach about permanent damage and the importance of equipmant maintenance
Most who watch aren't looking to learn anything, its for entertainment and so the restoration being fake ruins the implied story that comes alongside the video.
Yeah, I'm not to concerned with the "mild fake" ones if they demonstrate useful tips. I do restorations myself and sometimes I start one and don't finish it for years. By the time I get back to it it has mild decay that I need to address. Because of this channel I know I can just use that light rust to blue the item instead of stripping it back to bare metal.
I actually purposely rust some pieces of metal and some tools of mine to test some ways of removing rust. Although I never actually try the ways I see in a video, I try to find my own path and may or may not have mixed a few chemicals together that really shouldn’t be mixed together 😬
The problem would be if the creator filmed the gun in perfect condition, then rusted it, then composed the video in such a way to show you their restoration results are actually the gun before they rusted it. That is what makes mild fakes terrible info wise.
I've seen many of these restoration videos, and I did get the feeling there was a lot of fakery. I'm a gunsmith and machinist in the firearms industry in the United States. I've worked on hundreds of badly rusted guns, so I'm intimately familiar with the effects of rust, where it winds up, and exactly what heavy rust looks like and how much metal it removes depending on it's progress. The fake rusting looks wrong somehow. Too smooth and evenly didtributed. Not irregular enough, and the damage to the metal beneath is not severe enough. I've done full restoration and refinishing a number of times. A rather labor intensive process requiring substantial and very careful manual polishing of the metal. What's really surprised me the most is how a gun can be brought back from the dead most of the time, even rusted into inoperable condition, and how frequently the damage to the blueing can look far more severe than it is. Seldom does rust get inside the gun much. Usually I only see that when it's been submerged, typically in a flood, and then left neglected or remained undiscovered for a while. I've also been surprised by how much badly corroded bores with little rifling left can still usually stabilize bullets and shoot accurately. At least in handguns. With rifles the deterioration shows up rather more from the higher velocities and pressures and the greater range they're used at. I'm glad you've exposed what I have long suspected about most of these gun restoration videos. I also found it very suspicious that relatively recently produced guns would wind up in such shockingly rusted condition, and thought they would have to be deliberately exposed to corrosive agents for that to happen, especially with the widespread use of corrosion resistant finishes since the 1970s. This turns out to have been true!
I had done a round of watching restoration videos, mostly vintage household objects with the final exception of a single revolver, and of course it so happened for that one video of a Deagle's "restoration" popping up. I did not believe that video was legit one bit. While I have no background in restoration work, you do get a gut feeling once you've watched enough legit videos and of course, there's knowing the Deagle is way too recent and expensive of a firearm for anyone to neglect it so, nor could there have been enough time between production and present day for it to rust so thoroughly. They picked a Deagle because it's recognisable for everyone, guns are cooler than lamps are coffee grinders etc.. , it's a short way from aknowledging this to doubting the gun didn't rust naturally. I haven't watched that video, didn't know fake restoration videos were so widespread a thing.
I had a friend who pulled up an old British revolver whilst magnet fishing. Why there was I assume either an Enfield or a webley I don’t know. Anyway, he took it to the police and they checked it, it wasn’t owned by anyone or at least they couldn’t tell if it was, and just said he could have it. My mate didn’t have a gun license so he gave it to a friend of his who did. Apparently the police in the rural bits of Britain don’t really care all that much, as long as you aren’t a criminal. His friend did it up, really just kinda some rust removal and an ultrasound machine and it worked surprisingly well
@@cdgonepotatoes4219 most deagles are stainless steel anyway so would have to put something very corrosive on it to get the same effect as old iron or steel
This video is _extremely_ refreshing to watch. I can always respect someone who has the knowledge to explain the intricacies of their craft and the integrity to advise others on how to recognize when they're being misled when it comes to their craft; like a small-town car mechanic that doesn't even attempt to upsell you on repairs that he knows you don't need. Great video, man. Subbed.
What makes your videos really stand out over the others is the fact that you go beyond simply doing something silently in front of a camera. You actually show your process, and you narrate and explain exactly what you are doing step by step, whereas other videos are completely silent like that dude from the old Cheer Detergent commercials, and it just shows the content creator in the action of "restoring" a firearm. Keep up the good work!
I saw a "restoration" video of a car yesterday. They started with a Ford sedan that had been basically covered in mud, inside and out. They cleaned the car all in close up footage and stuff became really clean. And when they where done, the "after" picture was of a big pickup truck XD
Okay, if they made it that obvious, it was probably their intent to "mock" the ones trying to deceive which I think is funny. But in effect, does that dilute the borderline scam channels or does that rising-tide "lift" the BS channels ranking too?
I'm not familiar with that video but there are cases where items are retrieved from mud and they are in great condition. I remember there was a certain WW2 tank found covered in mud, and mud kept it protected from the elements and the tank was in an amazing state.
There is a second thing to look out for. "Restoration" videos where the "restorer" basically destroys the value of the object by using incorrect methods, and makes something that looks shiny but the result is useless. I'm reminded of an "antique violin restoration" I saw a bit back where the first thing the guy did was get out his DeWalt orbital sander and sand all the finish off the violin, and later refinish it in polyurethane gloss. That's NOT how you restore a genuine antique violin, especially one that might have been worth some money. It does make something to hang on the wall at the bar, where the smoke and grease can be wiped off it periodically using some harsh cleaner.
I've always thought that rust bluing was outside of my reach, aside from the instant cold blue solutions. After your first restoration video I felt comfortable enough to attempt a diy bluing. I've got to say you make it look simple, and are easy to follow. My first project came out very nice.
Check out Mark Novak’s stuff on here, his channel is called “Anvil” he’s as real as they come. Lots of fantastic stuff for bluing. He does mostly vintage firearms but you can apply the techniques anywhere. His wood stain and finish stripping work is outstanding.
@Brad Carter i know you know more about your mosin than i but when they rearsenaled the mosins instead of going through the bluing process they would touch up parts with black paint im not saying thats what happened but sometimes they would do that
I love that youre reaction to being accused of fake content wasnt to defend yourself, or out someone else. But to actual just educate your viewers in a respectful way. Thank you! This is great content!
I remember a few years ago seeing a clearly faked restoration of a "Vietnam Zippo" but the design on it was from like 2015 so obviously the presenter had bought the thing recently, buried it in his backyard for a week, then "restored" it.
I have yet to run into a lighter that needed actual restorations. Zippos are chromed brass, and just really stand up well over time. If you see a video of on that's got rust on the body, it's a fake.
@@AcmeRestorations It's a great company. Just send it to them if there's a problem and they fix it free, for life. They even even give your insert back if they replace it, I don't know if they still give you the penny as "the single cent you didn't have to pay" to get it fixed. My oldest Zippos just have the plating wear away a little on corners, but I consider that patina. I only send them in if the hinge breaks or the wheel comes off.
These gun restoration videos have been popping up in my feed more and more like crazy. I never click on them because my brain instinctly sensed that they were scams like those popular mud hut building videos. This is the 1st video I clicked on talking about proving that I was right. Thank you for this informative video.
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As someone who has been dealing with antiques for decades, I could spot the fake rust and corrosion immediately. Thank you for this video, it needs to be said more.
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I think the worst part is every niche topic you might be interested in always blows up just a few weeks or months later, then all these new channels suddenly spring up just to hop on the trend and nothing else. SunnyV2 made one on how so many people will fake "Primitive Building" videos (basically just building outdoors with essentially caveman skills and technology, sort of survivalish), but there's also restoration videos, animal rescues, hell I'm pretty sure even stuff like wood cutting videos probably has its fakers somehow. It's probably worth noting that a lot of it is almost definitely destroyed on purpose like you demonstrated with the toy gun, especially many antique or vintage things. They're pieces of history that are destroyed for content. Yes they're restored, but the unfortunate side is that the more it's restored, the less of the original remains until it's basically a brand new item, and in this case it's intentional from the start. Then again, that is if they didn't just buy a brand new thing to ruin it and "restore" it anyway. Worst part by far (apart from the animal "rescue" rabbit hole) is stuff like the primitive building ones where they do it for the video, then abandon the place completely. They'll usually use stuff like industrial plastic pipes to feed water to their location, and that stuff obviously isn't biodegradable, and that paired with the destruction of the landscape both for the video and stuff you aren't supposed to see (like excavator tracks or obvious dig lines from machinery) both make it even worse. The only thing you can praise them for is the use of machines seems to be minimal, but it's still used nonetheless and pushing both a false narrative, and destroying previously untouched pieces of land.
I laughed at the headlines of people doing the High voltage Wood Burning copycats hurting themselves. I'm like, yeah, it's high voltage dangerous stuff. Don't fuck around with it. But nearly dying for views is pretty popular still, so we'll just rely on Darwin Awards
Yeah the animal ones are awful. I once for some godforsaken reason came across some “snake hunter squad” type video that was clearly filmed in Cambodia or elsewhere in SEAsia, where they supposedly got called out to deal with a den of 100 snakes or something similar. There were snakes from several different species at least all mingled up (which is highly unlikely to basically impossible in a natural environment) and the snakes were barely moving aka extremely cold. I didn’t watch the full video because I was so disgusted but I believe I at least tried to report it. Something else I’ve only heard occasionally is the RUclips monkey abuse community, where people make videos actively harming and abusing monkeys specifically, and commenters frothing at the mouth in excitement and wanting more harm to come to the monkey. It’s so disturbing to me that RUclips doesn’t acknowledge or do anything about it, and not enough big RUclipsrs talk about it to raise a larger awareness of the abuse. It’s such a horrible problem that I was able to easily find monkey abuse videos and a playlist of them just by searching up “baby monkey” because yes it is baby monkeys that are especially abused for these videos. It’s disgusting. I have a phobia of monkeys and the fact that even I have enough humanity to know that a living creature doesn’t deserve to be abused and killed for some weirdo online’s entertainment makes me so upset. But I think a really beneficial RUclips channel for how to identify these animal abuse videos and the abuse videos that are quietly insidious in people that are non-that animal owners wouldn’t know or recognize they are abuse is Soda Pets. It looks like she has several playlists that are a good start, with TikTok Animal Videos being the one that mainly discusses TikTok abuse videos and Reddit Videos with similar content.
@@Polyeurythaneyup, I’ve come across a particular fake rescue channel that people have been trying to get taken down for years. This person’s videos are an endless cycle of the same thing. Healthy animal arrives. A few days or weeks later, formerly healthy animal gets seriously sick or grievously injured. Person makes videos about the sick or injured animal. People beg the person to get a vet involved. They refuse - “too expensive” or “too far away” or “this animal doesn’t trust other people”. The animal dies. The fans defend them - “you’re a good person” or “it’s not your fault”. The fans send donations through the comments. The cycle repeats. In between all of this, the person responsible constantly tries to redefine the story. They change the names that they use to refer to the animals, change video titles to make it seem like they’re looking after more animals, and refuses to accept a single shred of responsibility for anything, even when we’ve seen them on camera doing whatever it is that they claim they didn’t do.
The "primitive building" ones are such a dark reflection of algorithmic monetary rewards, but also fascinating. I got into a rabbithole of them once and found one which was very clearly somewhere in southeast asia, but the description said they were in north carolina or something. Another one, which I think had close to a billion views, had overlap with the animal rescue thing because at the start they had extremely obviously put some puppies down the bottom of a hole they dug and then "rescued" them. I also remember that one group had done all their work on someone else's land and they were pissed because they'd just made a pile of extremely annoying holes and thrown a bunch of cement in there.
@@L1ama Oddly enough, the animal rescue one I came across was kind of the same thing, but slightly inverted. Also SE Asia, but they were upfront about that from the start. They “rescued” a group of wild animals, then spent months making videos to show the progress of this “rescue centre” that they were building. Out of nowhere, there’s suddenly this “oh please help me, my neighbours are forcing me to close down because they’re all poachers and smugglers and whatnot.” Turns out the person had spent the past three or four months building a “rescue centre” on somebody else’s property. Then it turned out that this individual hadn’t just been building shelters, he had been putting food out for the wild animals in the area. It really should not be surprising that the neighbours were angry that a group of wild predatory animals had taken to wandering up and down the section of the river they used for subsistence farming.
I believe a lot of the fake electronics restoration videos are also "filmed in reverse". That is, taking a perfectly working item and slowly destroying it, while editing the final video with the steps somewhat reversed. Elliot Coll did a few videos calling this out.
Thank you for making this. I can't stand fake restorations. Mainly because so many people fall for it, and it diminishes the work of actual craftsmen by letting it look like anyone can do it with just a bit of soapy water and a piece of sandpaper.
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I think the dead giveaway for most of these is the uniform, bright orange rust. I've been working on a bunch of project pieces lately, mostly cheap .22s and shotguns, and natural rust is almost never uniform, it's usually patchy from where condensation collected. Also, as you pointed out, usually some parts still have intact finish. Upload frequency I think is another good indicator of validity. Some of these channels have a new vid every day--doing this work for real would require a massive staff to achieve this. It's just not happening. What really gets me is most of these videos are then absolute hack jobs in "restoring" the pieces. Wire wheels and angle grinders make more appearances than they ought to throw pretty sparks for the camera. It's all just so gross to see. Glad you and a few other creators out there are calling this sort of thing out
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Great for the focus and warning! I've never had any doubts on your videos about the general appearance of the weapons, it's true that some surfaces nevertheless look overly rusty in the beginning and in miniature, but that's minimal compared to the nonsense we sometimes see on other channels. On our side, we restore objects that have spent sometimes 50 years in water, and some people sometimes criticize our results because they compare our weapons to those aged voluntarily on fakes channels... On the other hand, we have the traceability of our hundreds of treasure hunts, which adds to our credibility, having the provenance is an asset too! It is obvious that a German Flare Gun found in a canal after 70 years will never be new again, or it will have no markings and no soul! Keep up the good work!
Another good tip is if the rust is uniform around the entire item. There is almost no case where an object isnt laying up against something or exposed on one side or is more rust prone in one area.
The only case I can think of is what I call "attic specials", guns that were put away in an attic or basement & forgotten about completely until it's brown & flaky. Those tend to get a pretty even coat over the years
@@killsode4760 you would think, but not usually. The chemicals in soil aren't as evenly distributed as we like to think, so a piece of steel is buried with mostly kaolin soil on on side and nitrated soil on the other the side that's nitrated will be more aggressively rusted than the kaolin side. This also applies to the different types of FeO that get formed. Some, like black rust inhibit corrosion while others like red encourage it If you look at metal that's been buried years you'll see different colored blotches and different levels of pitting form where different concentrations of the various oxidizing elements are touching different parts of the metal. Btw kaolin is about the best thing to bury metal in. Unless you've serious flooding issues it will be locked in a chemically neutral, oxygen free & mostly water tight environment. It'll still be rusted, but not near as bad as any other soil
@@nicholashodges201 Also a gun that ends up in the ground or outside exposed to the elements will have a varying coverage of oil meaning the rust will attack some parts more aggressively or faster than others. How the rust was distributed on an item is most of the reasons that I have also doubted the honesty of the restorations on this channel also even though there are culprits far worse out there. All I suspect here is use of oxidation accelerant.
The fact that steel doesn't rust green or blue has actually saved me in the past. Someone was telling what they claimed were 'recovered' helmets from WWII. Each had visible 'rust' on the non-metallic parts of the liner, and there were spots of blue or green seen in each of them.. They were charging $250 for each, by the by. Stay observant.
The rivets on the liner and strap, and the buckle might have been brass, some m1 helmets definitely did use brass parts That would have left green rust, But go with your gut I'm sure there was more to it than that.
Another good tip about these; if corrosion is not noticeably heavier in tight spaces/nooks and has little to no variation in the severity of the overall coat of corrosion that is cause to believe that it may be faked
That's generally true of guns that have been neglected but still stored mostly dry indoors. Here in Europe, a large number of guns got stashed away outdoors during WWII, because the Nazis could search any house whenever they pleased and nobody wanted to be caught with a rifle or whatever. Better to hide it outdoors so you can plausibly claim no knowledge if it is found. I've seen a number of such guns that got buried or otherwise hidden outdoors for five years before being dug up again, in a time before waterproof plastic bags etc. Typically hunting rifles and shotguns, kept for putting meat on the table rather than for fighting. Several had a fairly even rust layer all over the exterior, but with lots of deep rust pitting. Burying the gun causes rust all over, not just in the books and crannies where someone failed to clean and lubricate.
I'm not someone who watches this kind of video at all, and I really don't like guns. But this is a really good video, and you have so much honesty and integrity, I can tell how passionate you are, and I love that.
As restorer for 50 years, I see many videos where the objects in question all look to have the same extreme amount of distress. This was never the case for restoration I undertook, even some of the most challenging items never looked as bad as those on RUclips Videos.
I've hated seeing fake restoration videos, to some it might be obvious, but it's clear that their tactic does have positive numbers... what upsets me is that it takes away from people making real, great content. I am glad there is raised awareness on this!
Like many, many of your viewers...I've done lots of restoration work on all types of equipment. It really is not hard to spot a fake video if you've seen what time and the elements can really do. Pitting, discoloration, working pieces frozen and fused, smaller parts completely eaten away are all things you will find on an item as severely neglected as some of these fakes depict. Yet the rust comes right off, leaving every part intact. All the item needs is a little polishing. Right. Thank you for doing this video.
The ending was a stroke of genius. Rather than tell you which video was fake and drive some views there, they've left it up to people to farm through his entire catalogue to spot that one instance of fakery.
@@michaelorlando4761 I did that actually :) I think he referred to his Kar98k restoration. For the thumbnail he added a broken stock while what he originally restored was just the receiver (i.e. all the metal parts); which I guess was done for dramatic effect. A naked receiver doesn't make a good thumbnail. Still not really a 'fake' video because he explains that in the first 30 seconds
@@Krom5072 Yeah, I was kinda confused about him calling it a "fake" since he immediately made it clear that the original stock had been destroyed and thrown out before he could get his hands on it, and that what we're seeing is just a re-enactment of the condition the gun was found in. I actually thought it was a neat touch, but I guess everyone is their own harshest critic.
There’s a quality to your content that convinces me that all of your restorations are genuine. There’s no ASMR and you explain each process as you do it, especially on how to ensure a safe restoration or one that could potentially go wrong if not properly observed. Even explaining about specific quirks of a manufacturer and how they used a certain thing to achieve a goal. Perhaps the people calling out your videos as fake are making fake videos themselves? If your views go down, theirs are more likely to go up earning them more revenue. Please keep making your content. I think it’s brilliant!
You're a saint for pointing this out. As someone who spends a tremendous amount of effort on video's barely watched, it is frustrating to see obvious fake channels raking in millions of views. People may not like being lied to. But they sure as hell don't mind being decieved.
@@HappyDude1 Except there is a big difference between obvious entertainment and people trying to come off as genuine and willingly misinforming people for cheap clicks. Top Gear would do skits, but they would never tell people it's no biggie to go to the North Pole in a pickup truck while filming the entire thing on a soundstage.
Another great open, honest and informative video. On fakes, another touchstone is how strong your emotional reaction is. Scams feed on pushing emotional buttons, so if you can feel those buttons being pushed, that's the sound of alarm bells ringing.
Another similar video you could do is how to spot unprofessional vs professional restoration. That is, if some restoration channel doesn't actually know what they're doing and are damaging the firearms or something.
I dont believe there is such a thing a preofessional restorer That would take decades of work in a given field lots of money spent on education intimate knowledge of current manufacturing techniques And knowledge of past techniques truth is restoration makes things looks nice and brings them back to a state of usefulness but destroys the historical value Just recently i restored an antique depression era dresser (the video is on my channel) because of the smoke soot and water damage the original finish was not salvageble most of the wood was still good so restoration was possible and was done but because of the damage the finish could not be saved or cleaned enough to make recreating the original finish possible the dresser looks great in its current form but it isnt period correct so the historical value of its gone
@@GeorgiaRidgerunner Yeah, sure. If you want to be pedantic. What I mean is that there are ways of "restoring" a gun that are worse than others. As someone who knows very little, it's difficult to reliably tell whether someone is just scraping rust off or if they know what they're doing.
I'm so pleased that you have got 1.5 million views and 51k likes and you didn't even have to genuinely restore anything! Sometimes words speak louder than actions.
In addition to being a factory trained S&W mechanic (retired), I restore old die casts and slot cars. I have made mention of this issue. It was not well received, not by creators, but by their followers. The creators were strangely quiet on the matter😁
I have seen so many videos that noticeably look fake and no one talks about them, I am happy to see that RUclips recommends your channel, there are some very well done, with real rust, physical damage, but even so, they were damaged on purpose
TBH THIS is a gem of a video. I saw a awefull lot of gun restoration vids comming past me in my reccomended section, and i suspected that it was the same deal as with all those fake mobile game adds. I'd rather watch a actual restoration then even a realistic fake one. Defo gonna give your vids a look if i feel like it!
Another thing I've noticed is that they tend to delete comments calling them out, leaving only positive comments but but with very few likes on them since the most popular ones calling them out are deleted, you can also get the dislike enabler plug in for chrome to see dislikes again, Thank you for the video!
I really like the transparency, that you admit you made one look worse than it was once and regret doing it. I didn't learn much new from this video, but that's because I am a nerd who already knew a lot of the fake vs. real corrosion details, but it's awesome to see a content creator showing and explaining this for the benefit of others.
I appreciate your honesty and choosing not to target anyone. Being able to tell what is real on the internet is a skill much more people need to learn.
9:46 was it the Sten? I'm pretty sure you never showed it with the removeable stock in the pre-restored condition. I might be mistaken on that though. I must say it looks terrible without it, and we're talking about a firearm that barely looks like a firearm.
Kept it classy by not using footage from suspicious videos. I've only watched a couple of gun restoration videos. But after watching this I'm suspicious of half those videos now.
Be suspicious of 80% of them, maybe more depending on how profitable the videos are. A chance for any money whatsoever brings out all the cheating scammer fuckheads. RUclips in general is a pit of fake bullshit
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The first "restoration" video I've come across a few weeks ago was one of the Desert Eagle, which I found quite strange since. Fast forwars YT recomended me your channel a few days ago and I felt in love with your videos. They are educational, entertaining and I like the way you present them.
@@elikim3968 Same. Guy has 22M views though, so he’s literally doesn’t give toss, as long as he gets views. Dislike his vids then unsub. What I did once I found out the truth.
I'll be honest, I think I may have seen thumbnails for ur vids before and avoided bc I thought they might be fakes, but after clicking on this and immediately seeing an actual person behind the camera, talking to the camera, it's been a huge relief to know I've found another genuine restoration channel! now excuse me while I binge ur content lol
Interesting fact about when you talked about artificial diamonds they usually identify them by looking for flaws a natural diamond would have lmao so an artificial one is actually better.
Rust, corrosion, and degradation of parts I saw a video a while back of a legit gun restoration, was a swamp-recovered SKS, encased in thick, dried clay, muck, and lined with heavy rust... the stock was heavily eaten away by worms, and rotten from the period it spend under water. The furniture was unrecoverable, and internals were heavily degraded from rust and sitting for so long, once everything was disassembled, the reciever was heavily pitted and worn away and the guy did away with as much of the old bits to make it fireable. It was capable of being used as a rifle again. but the overall wear was too much for consistent use. Its a good video
hi , knifemaker/blacksmith here great explanation about corrosion love your channel i'm tired of explaining my friends and family who send me fake restotarion that they are not real theres a little trick to make the the woods make older i made it for a couple of short films when they need some wood look old of course if you do this in a fire arm it will ruin it forever but works for esthetic porpouses like fake rust it's not the same but looks good 1 m away only works well with soft woods with big grain , if you swamp it and let it dry in the sun it begins to crack and open and look old , you can even stain parts with mud , coffe and dirt, trow it to the gorund to get some texture etc.. , repeat the process until you like it will look old from a camera
Thank you for raising this issue. I haven't come across fake weapon restorations, but I've seen plenty of fake toy car restorations. The point is not only that this is a hoax, but also that these videos are boring and monotonous, since the cars are always "broken" in the same way and not realistically with the same brown coating.
I feel like generally the more in depth a channel shows the process the more likely it is to be real People who do real restorations know their stuff and will have no problems showing that mastery to it’s fullest extent
Good video, thanks. I'm not even the type to like artificial weathering to make a piece look period correct. When I built my FAL off an Israeli parts kit someone on a forum was throwing in suggestions on how to artificially weather/rust the receiver to make it match the rest of the gun and at first I thought they were joking. Whether a new part looks out of place or not I still am not going to purposefully damage it to match "patina".
There are times when matching a "patina" is the way to go. I work mainly with muzzle loaders, mostly between 1840's - 1880's and to me seeing a gun that shows 100+ years of honest age with a shiny brand new replacement part just looks bad. In your case with a FAL I think personally I would have done an arsenal grade refinish on the parts kit and brought the parts up to better match the receiver
I appreciate this content because it tries to make people more aware. I have a relatively small experience with firewarms and to be honest, I do yearn to get more. A video like this certainly helps me be on the look out for things both fake (those who lie) but also for things that are real (actual damage from rusting) so its like a 2 for 1 combo on the learning. I cannot stress enough how content like this is what is needed these days for we no longer live in the era of infomation but rather ... the era of disinformation. God bless my dude.
I’m not much into restoration but I like seeing and learning new things which took me down the RUclips rabbit hole to this guy. He is awesome and has great words of wisdom about the Internet!
My favorite restorations are wristwatches. The microscopic work, the specialty tools, and it's just so calming to watch. I don't know of any fake channels, since there are so many broken, abused watches available. Nekkid Watchmaker is a good one.
Now that's what a man does, gives in to the temptation of deception, has a reckoning and goes forward to educate people while being honest with others and more importantly, himself.
It’s funny to see the view count of your videos because as you said, guns that are shown a lot in video games and favorites by gamers (like the Luger, K98, sten mkII) get a lot more views. I bet you would get a ton of views on this video if it was renamed “Desert Eagle Restoration!!!” or a ton of views if you restored a Thomson SMG. But that would be fake :) Keep making videos, they’re awesome, and you’re awesome!
Funny you mention that. I once saw a “Desert Eagle Restoration!!!” video where they clearly showed a smooth bore and the rotating bolt they showed was different caliber.
I have no idea why this video was in my feed. But it was worth the watch. Played it out of curiosity, stayed for the good content, the information value and the very clear and illustrated demonstration. Very well done!
I don't even watch restoration videos, for this exact reason. Thanks for making this video to help viewers become more discerning, and maybe stop giving so much traffic to the frauds out there.
There is one I can recommend that isn’t fake and is pretty much the OG channel for restorations. Look up my mechanics. No guns but lots of items that are 50+ years old getting great restoration done by a master machinist. There’s no VO to the videos or obnoxious music. Just captions and tool work. Worst thing he light be guilty of is he might decide not to restore a certain part just so he can fabricate a new replacement part because we can’t go one single video without a certain catch phrase that we are all waiting to see! 😅
Thank you for doing this video. Every time I see one of these videos recommended to me( with the exception of yours and Mark Novak's "Anvil"), I can help but rolling my eyes and think, "you bought that yesterday and chucked it in a bath of acid". And that's disregarding the very liberal use of the term "restoration" that involves angle grinders and sand blasters.
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This was actually a great video, I love exposing this kind of practice. It's not just in the gun community either, I do toys and the number of people who set brand new $10 Lamborghini toys from walmart on fire and then "restore" them is insane vs people who actually go out and find old toys and breathe life back into them. It's a shame too because just like with popular guns, Lambos and supercars get attention while my 1940's airplane isn't going to attract a lot of attention.
Good for you you are only the second gun restoration channel I've watched the other being Mark Novak 's Anvil and as he's a genuine New York Gunsmith of years experience I think his videos ar impeccably honest. And I'm impressed with your methods and explanations, so I believe you are genuine as well. I had no idea there were many " restorers" faking their work on RUclips so thanks for putting this video up. I've just watched your restoration of the Webley Mk 6 hand gun and you may be interested to know that the Italian company Fiochi were the only people in the 1980's who were manufacturing brass for the 455 using modern primers and I have a couple of hundred of them from when I was shooting ( we lost our guns in 1997 here in the UK when handguns were banned) and I was shooting a .455" Enfield, a nice government copy of the Webley . It didn't have much finish on it but it shot reasonably well as it still had pretty good rifling.
Glad I found your channel. I am always suspicious of any item totally covered in bright orange rust. It can happen naturally but when the entire item has an even orange coat it signals to me it has been soaked in acid or hooked up to electrolysis backwards. About the only time you will naturally find a full coating of bright orange rust is when an item has been underwater and then allowed to set in the air for a while.
I always find it suspicious the "heavily corroded" rescues look like the normal item, but orange. If it looks anything like the painted example in the thumbnail, I automatically assume it got a saltwater bath for a week or two.
Late to the party but the level of honesty I have found on this channel so far has been such a pleasure to experience. This video alone convinced me to subscribe. I have watched a few of the videos so far and I am looking forward to watch any and all videos going forward. Keep up the amazing work and thank you for such knowledgeable content.
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Most 1:18 diecast car videos are fakes or at least staged. Diecast cars don't "rust" as they're made of zinc, so I find it quite hilarious when you see one with "rust" on it. These people also seem to manage to find pristine restoration parts that were mysteriously missing from the original car to install. There's not an easy way to just get brand new spare parts for big diecast cars.
Seeing this mysterious red-brown rust characteristic of iron on an object made of zinc, which has totally differently appearing white corrosion products, is kind of surreal
@@CATASTEROID934 Is that the white-ish corrosion i see on some of the very old diecast cars i have from hand-me-downs when i was a child? I vaguely remember an old red-line tire mustang that i found in my backyard in the dirt growing up that had to be there from the previous owners decades ago and it had a splotchy, somewhat smooth but matte corrosion on it.
Very well said I agree honestly I know of only a few youtubers that are very genuine Restorations. (firearms) The fake tend to make me cringe and shake my head at how wrong they are going about restoring. At least you and Mark Novak are doing things right there are a few more
@Mark Novak yeah it's happening glad a few of you guys are doing things right ... hate seeing classic guns butchered by amateur at Least You and a few others are doing things right on conservation and restoring this firearms :)
This is very informative. I had my suspicions viewing other vids, but you precisely pointed out what to look for. Thank you for your honesty and professionalism.
Thanks for your vid. Yes, a lot of content creators fake the restoration, especially motorcycle restorations. I can't count the times I've sat down to be entertained by a good restoration vid only to find it's a bike that's been placed in mud for a few weeks to make it look "abandoned".
A completely uniform coating of rust is dead give-away of 'cheating'! Things rust faster on one side than the other*, plus rust eats deeper in nooks and crannies where moisture or salts have concentrated. There will be spots where rust doesn't form at all. Waxes, grease, lacquers and other finishes would have protected some of the metal. Very slow rust makes deep pits while fast or accelerated rusting tends to remove a uniform 'skin' of metal. *Oxygen diffuses into the soil/ground water on the side of the metal closest to the air; 'natural' rusting will tend to be more advanced on one side than the other!
Hi! I'm not into firearm restoration, rather I tend to watch electronics restoration. However, I really appreciate stumbling across your video. I watch a lot of RUclips and it is so hard sometimes to disseminate what channels are actually credible. Some tips I would like to add are any channels and/or videos in all caps as well as any channel/video with the words like "world", "all", "truth", etc. Lastly, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. In all cases, I do exactly as you say, operate under the assumption it's fake until proven otherwise. Thanks again!
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Thank you very much for this video. Small correction/ fun fact: You can actually tell natural and lab-grown diamonds apart, especially if it's a high quality lab diamond. Natural diamonds can never reach that level of purity.
Mild fakes I think can be good, if it's done openly. Like you say, the restoration process is the same, so you can learn something, but it certainly should be disclosed. Honesty matters.
I don't watch gun videos, let alone gun restoration videos, but I do watch restoration videos of various machines and furniture and enjoy restoration myself. I want to add that your video here is also highly useful for spotting fake restoration videos in other restoration branches than guns
My favourite is when they "restore" an object by replacing every piece of the original so that nothing remains, so in actuality they just destroyed the original and built a replica.
This is the biggest problem with sites like youtube... people watch fake videos, and thinks they know what they're talking about. There is no editing by a real professionals, what you watch might be fake, and in some cases it might even be harmful if you try it out for yourself. I think people are not that critical anymore about what they watch online "It has millions of views, it's gotta be legit". But as you state, the biggest are often the biggest fakers. Thanks for making an informative video about spotting fakes!!
I'm into bikes rather than guns and it's scary to watch people try and learn to ride an R1 or Gixxer by watching youtube videos instead of going to a proper riding school or at least have a friend/relative teach them. Equally scary are all the "tips" in the commentator field when knowing that some of them might not be riders at all or even 12 year old kids.
There is a way for ferric objects to be green. It would be close proximity to copper or a copper-bearing alloy. The entire object won't be green but you can definitely have verdigris staining on iron. It actually isn't the iron itself but staining of the iron oxides. Working in college in archeology there were two instances from the same site where we discovered items stained like I described. One was a broken Brown Bess bayonet that has been laying on top of a brass buckle and I don't recall what the second was. It was just a ch-unk of iron that ended up in the water-screening table.
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It's a website and app that compares how the same story is covered by different news media outlets highlighting the political bias and reliability ranking of each one. They sponsored my last video, but not this one, so I'm writing this out of my own free will. So far I'm enjoying it.
Just wanted to say that most things apply to information in general and then read this comment. The site is nice but it can't replace proper research. As a russian who knows english I'd describe the situation in western media as an arificial information sphere, built around the people. Westerners claim to have "free media" unlike other nations. But I think the only difference of "free media" from traditional old-fashioned propaganda that it is descreet, complex and bilt using new technologies. Even troublemakers like Fox News are part of this system.
PS sorry for politics but you've started it yourself :)
At least disclose it publicly that it's a referral link and you get something in return if people click on it...
@@Reginvalt We can openly criticise our politicians and even top level leaders in the media and also online, using our real names. That is a free media. Try that in Russia. You speak more to propaganda and media manipulation which I agree we are certainly not immune to.
@@Stigstigster What you say is another example of western propaganda. Westerners are made to think that they know something about Russia, Iran and so on. In fact they don't.
@@Stigstigster lol
The most disgusting type of fake like this is "animal rescue" type videos where the animal abusers that run the channel will, for example, adopt a cat, film them being checked out by a vet, and then put them in real danger repeatedly (putting them in a pit with venomous snakes, for instance), sometimes even resulting in their death. They then "rescue" the animal from the horrible situation that they put the animal in, then cut to them being checked out by the vet from when they got the animal.
It's absolutely disgusting.
Yeah, those "people" are disgusting. It's even worse when they intentionally starve or abuse the animals for views.
Discovery Channel got caught doing similarly with one of their fake shows, some animal control guy was "rescuing" a bunch of snakes that had infested some building and as I recall a reptile expert who saw the episode recognized that most of the species on camera were not native to the country it was being filmed in and would have to have been imported to even be there.
@@jeffumbach That doesn't necessarily mean Discovery imported them or put them there, there are loads of people who import animals (often illegally) with the intent to sell them as pets, criminal stuff happens and they end up uncared for.
I'm just going by what you've said, there very well may be more evidence but based on what you said alone it really doesn't support the conclusion.
That'd be a really high risk low reward thing for Discovery to do, what with all the potential legal issues, animal rights activists, the people who supervise the use of animals in movies and television (forget the name) would probably blacklist them, etc.
And that said, I hate what Discovery channel has become in the past decade or two, loads of low effort, shitty, non-scientific shows (much like the History channel these days), but it just doesn't add up for them to do that.
@@chemputer I don't believe they were referring to the actual discovery channel. I am fairly certain they are referring to these RUclips channels that are showing abused animals for money. Where lets say a cat is found under a house or in some deep hole wherever. Then said person finds said animal and films it makes a video and profits out of a fake scenario that was essentially staged for views and monetary gain. Not only that but some of these channel owners put animals in incredibly dangerous scenarios in order to garner viral views for a bigger payout. Obviously not all RUclips channels around animal rescue are fakes but some most definitely are and it makes it difficult to distinguish where you want to support animal rescues.
@@SwordKingsTV Mate, he said "Discovery Channel got caught doing this exact thing on one of their fake shows..." I don't know how you interpreted that as a anything other than the Discovery Channel. It's pretty explicit. The amount of mental gymnastics necessary to interpret it any other way is just far too much for anyone to realistically read his comment and think "huh, yeah, no, despite him clearly saying DISCOVERY CHANNEL and FAKE ANIMAL RESCUE SHOWS, it's talking about RUclips videos and the concept in general."
As you laid out essentially the same concept I did in my original comment, did you think I was somehow replying to myself in my original comment, and didn't realize the two were made by the same person?
I'm genuinely baffled how you could get to the conclusion you seem to, so there must be some confusion somewhere.
Regardless of whether it's fake or not, i wish they didn't use the most aggresive techniques to "restore" them like evaporust and sandblasting. It might encourage people to ruin gun finishes that could be salvaged.
There's far too many people in the gun community who value modern features and functionality over historic value and authenticity. The new restoration trend (when done poorly and without consideration for collectability) is just the latest manifestation of Bubba jobs.
@@HTacianas ugh bubba gun jobs
Is evaporust that bad? Looking at the Project Farm comparison videos it seemed on the safer end, but they didn't test its effects on old bluing or anything so I'm not sure.
@@HTacianas I have a Mannlicher 88/90 coming in from RTI. They tend to be in rough shape so I will be restoring it, but I'm only doing it to preserve it you know? I see it okay in these circumstances since they typically have no bluing and the stock is rough rough. But I try to do no sanding or removing of markings or stain.
But sandblasting looks so coooool!
This is exactly like how after that one guy’s survival channel came out, hundreds of copy channels where they were clearly using heavy machinery and fake survival skills to build “mansion huts,” in the jungle.
Which one is the real one?
@@90-degreestudios46 Primitive Technology
@@nn2s2u Thank you, too many clones to figure it out on my own lol
Yeah, the original is a guy in Australia who does very simple but very feasible work. No quick cuts or massive time jumps - and really the most he makes are primitive but practical hovels basically. Compared to the tens of fakes in predominantly Indonesia and Thailand which somehow present the idea that two guys with bamboo sticks, mud, and a nearby stream can somehow make a mansion or a swimming pool deeper and wider than a house's foundation.
@@Nomadith oh yea the two boys with sticks stabbing dirt making a Full on pool XD
Just a note: some non-metal objects can get rusty if they are in contact with steel for a very long period of time. I've had rusty shells from the beach because the shells got caught on, say, a steel beam. and the rust got on the shell. I'm not sure exactly what this process entails but I have seen it with my own eyes. I'm assuming this is from rusted chunks of metal separating from the main body of the part and adhering to the nonmetal item.
Shells are made of calcium carbonate,
Calcium is a silvery-white, soft metal that tarnishes rapidly in air and reacts with water.
Might have something to do with it? :)
Rust stains can get on anything - plastic, concrete, tile, cloth and even wood.
The trick is that they are only stains and not real rust which can be chipped off.
That's not rust on non-metal objects you smoothbrain.
@@danielreed5199 calcium carbonate is very different than calcium metal... even if dissolved in acid (like acid rain on limestone), it will become carbonic acid (fizzy soda) and calcium IONS still not metal, which will either just float around until they become limestone again, or form some other calcium salt but never metal. I'm pretty sure the rust is simply geting splashed on it by waves or similar, and then drying in place again and staining it/crusting it externally, not chemically. Forms on the steel beam, flakes off, gets on stuff.
@@elonmust7470 Of course it is. If you've ever come across a flood damaged toolbox, the water rusts the steel parts of the tools and some of the rust ends up in the water where it settles on the surface of non-ferrous handles which doesn't come off without chemical intervention.
I like some of the "mild fake" videos where it's clear the point is to showcase how to fix everyday objects that an ordinary person might realistically need to fix. I saw one where the author literally left a cast iron pan out in the rain for like a week and let it rust, and then went to town showing how you (relatively) easily restore it, with the point being that cast iron pans quite literally can and should last you a lifetime, even if you mess up and let it rust. There is a significant difference between people messing up antiques for content, and people messing up cheap(ish) everyday objects to show how to fix it for the educational aspect of it.
There's also a difference between stating that the damage was caused artificially, and just lying to viewers
antique is a relative term and most are entirely without value. what actual value does an antique gun have except to collectors and fanatics? there are always going to be a handful in museums or collectors basements, but otherwise they would just be sitting there collecting dust. let them do with what they rightfully own what they please.
If they actually state that it is artificially aged then I wouldn't consider it fake at all, just a different kind of video.
This reminds me of those "underground swimming pool dug by primitive tools" that are almost all faked in SEAsia
Yes.
They've been busted using machinery & large teams of people to do these builds.
Then they represent them as done by hand by 1 or 2 people.
yes, I thought that too. a handmade blunt tool digging almost 6 to 8 feet ditch by a single person is probably fake.
pretty sure a primitive tool would shatter if exposed to a power sander.
I think the most fake part is they imply living in a hole is safe and won't be horribly mouldy... then you have monsoon season and your clay hole is a puddle.
Or the sheer danger of unsupported dirt/soil. Even a strong clay can suddenly collapse esp with water involved. And less than a cubic meter of soil could easily kill you in a pit or trench. Dirt's heavy, unsupported digging is very dangerous even if you know what your doing.
If the "mild fake" videos would be done honestly, they would give interesting information tbh. The content creator could demonstrate the difference before and after the restoration and teach about permanent damage and the importance of equipmant maintenance
That's where I'd be coming from "Well, let's get some practice in restoring stuff on a cheapo thing." *squirts with lots of vinegar and hydroxide*
Most who watch aren't looking to learn anything, its for entertainment and so the restoration being fake ruins the implied story that comes alongside the video.
Yeah, I'm not to concerned with the "mild fake" ones if they demonstrate useful tips.
I do restorations myself and sometimes I start one and don't finish it for years. By the time I get back to it it has mild decay that I need to address.
Because of this channel I know I can just use that light rust to blue the item instead of stripping it back to bare metal.
I actually purposely rust some pieces of metal and some tools of mine to test some ways of removing rust. Although I never actually try the ways I see in a video, I try to find my own path and may or may not have mixed a few chemicals together that really shouldn’t be mixed together 😬
The problem would be if the creator filmed the gun in perfect condition, then rusted it, then composed the video in such a way to show you their restoration results are actually the gun before they rusted it. That is what makes mild fakes terrible info wise.
I've seen many of these restoration videos, and I did get the feeling there was a lot of fakery. I'm a gunsmith and machinist in the firearms industry in the United States. I've worked on hundreds of badly rusted guns, so I'm intimately familiar with the effects of rust, where it winds up, and exactly what heavy rust looks like and how much metal it removes depending on it's progress. The fake rusting looks wrong somehow. Too smooth and evenly didtributed. Not irregular enough, and the damage to the metal beneath is not severe enough. I've done full restoration and refinishing a number of times. A rather labor intensive process requiring substantial and very careful manual polishing of the metal. What's really surprised me the most is how a gun can be brought back from the dead most of the time, even rusted into inoperable condition, and how frequently the damage to the blueing can look far more severe than it is. Seldom does rust get inside the gun much. Usually I only see that when it's been submerged, typically in a flood, and then left neglected or remained undiscovered for a while. I've also been surprised by how much badly corroded bores with little rifling left can still usually stabilize bullets and shoot accurately. At least in handguns. With rifles the deterioration shows up rather more from the higher velocities and pressures and the greater range they're used at. I'm glad you've exposed what I have long suspected about most of these gun restoration videos. I also found it very suspicious that relatively recently produced guns would wind up in such shockingly rusted condition, and thought they would have to be deliberately exposed to corrosive agents for that to happen, especially with the widespread use of corrosion resistant finishes since the 1970s. This turns out to have been true!
Thanks for your insight, very interesting!
I had done a round of watching restoration videos, mostly vintage household objects with the final exception of a single revolver, and of course it so happened for that one video of a Deagle's "restoration" popping up. I did not believe that video was legit one bit. While I have no background in restoration work, you do get a gut feeling once you've watched enough legit videos and of course, there's knowing the Deagle is way too recent and expensive of a firearm for anyone to neglect it so, nor could there have been enough time between production and present day for it to rust so thoroughly. They picked a Deagle because it's recognisable for everyone, guns are cooler than lamps are coffee grinders etc.. , it's a short way from aknowledging this to doubting the gun didn't rust naturally.
I haven't watched that video, didn't know fake restoration videos were so widespread a thing.
I had a friend who pulled up an old British revolver whilst magnet fishing. Why there was I assume either an Enfield or a webley I don’t know. Anyway, he took it to the police and they checked it, it wasn’t owned by anyone or at least they couldn’t tell if it was, and just said he could have it. My mate didn’t have a gun license so he gave it to a friend of his who did. Apparently the police in the rural bits of Britain don’t really care all that much, as long as you aren’t a criminal. His friend did it up, really just kinda some rust removal and an ultrasound machine and it worked surprisingly well
@@cdgonepotatoes4219 most deagles are stainless steel anyway so would have to put something very corrosive on it to get the same effect as old iron or steel
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This video is _extremely_ refreshing to watch. I can always respect someone who has the knowledge to explain the intricacies of their craft and the integrity to advise others on how to recognize when they're being misled when it comes to their craft; like a small-town car mechanic that doesn't even attempt to upsell you on repairs that he knows you don't need. Great video, man. Subbed.
What makes your videos really stand out over the others is the fact that you go beyond simply doing something silently in front of a camera. You actually show your process, and you narrate and explain exactly what you are doing step by step, whereas other videos are completely silent like that dude from the old Cheer Detergent commercials, and it just shows the content creator in the action of "restoring" a firearm. Keep up the good work!
I saw a "restoration" video of a car yesterday. They started with a Ford sedan that had been basically covered in mud, inside and out. They cleaned the car all in close up footage and stuff became really clean. And when they where done, the "after" picture was of a big pickup truck XD
Okay, if they made it that obvious, it was probably their intent to "mock" the ones trying to deceive which I think is funny. But in effect, does that dilute the borderline scam channels or does that rising-tide "lift" the BS channels ranking too?
I'm not familiar with that video but there are cases where items are retrieved from mud and they are in great condition. I remember there was a certain WW2 tank found covered in mud, and mud kept it protected from the elements and the tank was in an amazing state.
@@___meph___4547 that's actually hilarious
It had so much mud it went from a sedan to a truck god damn thats alot of mud
Where can i find that video?
There is a second thing to look out for. "Restoration" videos where the "restorer" basically destroys the value of the object by using incorrect methods, and makes something that looks shiny but the result is useless.
I'm reminded of an "antique violin restoration" I saw a bit back where the first thing the guy did was get out his DeWalt orbital sander and sand all the finish off the violin, and later refinish it in polyurethane gloss. That's NOT how you restore a genuine antique violin, especially one that might have been worth some money. It does make something to hang on the wall at the bar, where the smoke and grease can be wiped off it periodically using some harsh cleaner.
I saw someone take a old ww2 pocket knife and rip of the grip which was the only piece of identification that showed this knifes age
That's not really malicious fakery, it's just some guy who doesn't know better
Suddenly a wild sandblaster appears!
@@davidy22 Which is understandable, but maybe don't do a restoration video for something you don't kmow how to restore properly then
@@christiancasaverdepertica1802 Hey youtube's a free website, let the people at home post the home videos they want to post
I've always thought that rust bluing was outside of my reach, aside from the instant cold blue solutions. After your first restoration video I felt comfortable enough to attempt a diy bluing. I've got to say you make it look simple, and are easy to follow. My first project came out very nice.
The clear instructions here inspired me to have a go again after decades since I had last (with my uncle) done any.
this and mark novark are indispensable resources
also, cold blue isn't rust blueing, its just fancy copper plating
Check out Mark Novak’s stuff on here, his channel is called “Anvil” he’s as real as they come. Lots of fantastic stuff for bluing. He does mostly vintage firearms but you can apply the techniques anywhere. His wood stain and finish stripping work is outstanding.
@Brad Carter i know you know more about your mosin than i but when they rearsenaled the mosins instead of going through the bluing process they would touch up parts with black paint im not saying thats what happened but sometimes they would do that
I love that youre reaction to being accused of fake content wasnt to defend yourself, or out someone else. But to actual just educate your viewers in a respectful way. Thank you! This is great content!
What an absolute power move making a video on how to spot fake restoration videos after being accused of it.
I remember a few years ago seeing a clearly faked restoration of a "Vietnam Zippo" but the design on it was from like 2015 so obviously the presenter had bought the thing recently, buried it in his backyard for a week, then "restored" it.
I have yet to run into a lighter that needed actual restorations. Zippos are chromed brass, and just really stand up well over time. If you see a video of on that's got rust on the body, it's a fake.
That’s is awesome restorations and all of his videos all have the blue and green colors.
@@AcmeRestorations It's a great company. Just send it to them if there's a problem and they fix it free, for life. They even even give your insert back if they replace it, I don't know if they still give you the penny as "the single cent you didn't have to pay" to get it fixed. My oldest Zippos just have the plating wear away a little on corners, but I consider that patina. I only send them in if the hinge breaks or the wheel comes off.
Sounds like another case of the Stupids.
I remember seeing that! that's actually the first thing that came to mind when he was talking about the green stuff on metals.
These gun restoration videos have been popping up in my feed more and more like crazy. I never click on them because my brain instinctly sensed that they were scams like those popular mud hut building videos. This is the 1st video I clicked on talking about proving that I was right. Thank you for this informative video.
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@@andoletube doesn't really matter if its real or fake, really up to the person, but posting Bible content over on a youtube restoration video... Yeah...
As someone who has been dealing with antiques for decades, I could spot the fake rust and corrosion immediately.
Thank you for this video, it needs to be said more.
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I think the worst part is every niche topic you might be interested in always blows up just a few weeks or months later, then all these new channels suddenly spring up just to hop on the trend and nothing else. SunnyV2 made one on how so many people will fake "Primitive Building" videos (basically just building outdoors with essentially caveman skills and technology, sort of survivalish), but there's also restoration videos, animal rescues, hell I'm pretty sure even stuff like wood cutting videos probably has its fakers somehow. It's probably worth noting that a lot of it is almost definitely destroyed on purpose like you demonstrated with the toy gun, especially many antique or vintage things. They're pieces of history that are destroyed for content. Yes they're restored, but the unfortunate side is that the more it's restored, the less of the original remains until it's basically a brand new item, and in this case it's intentional from the start. Then again, that is if they didn't just buy a brand new thing to ruin it and "restore" it anyway.
Worst part by far (apart from the animal "rescue" rabbit hole) is stuff like the primitive building ones where they do it for the video, then abandon the place completely. They'll usually use stuff like industrial plastic pipes to feed water to their location, and that stuff obviously isn't biodegradable, and that paired with the destruction of the landscape both for the video and stuff you aren't supposed to see (like excavator tracks or obvious dig lines from machinery) both make it even worse. The only thing you can praise them for is the use of machines seems to be minimal, but it's still used nonetheless and pushing both a false narrative, and destroying previously untouched pieces of land.
I laughed at the headlines of people doing the High voltage Wood Burning copycats hurting themselves.
I'm like, yeah, it's high voltage dangerous stuff. Don't fuck around with it.
But nearly dying for views is pretty popular still, so we'll just rely on Darwin Awards
Yeah the animal ones are awful. I once for some godforsaken reason came across some “snake hunter squad” type video that was clearly filmed in Cambodia or elsewhere in SEAsia, where they supposedly got called out to deal with a den of 100 snakes or something similar. There were snakes from several different species at least all mingled up (which is highly unlikely to basically impossible in a natural environment) and the snakes were barely moving aka extremely cold. I didn’t watch the full video because I was so disgusted but I believe I at least tried to report it.
Something else I’ve only heard occasionally is the RUclips monkey abuse community, where people make videos actively harming and abusing monkeys specifically, and commenters frothing at the mouth in excitement and wanting more harm to come to the monkey. It’s so disturbing to me that RUclips doesn’t acknowledge or do anything about it, and not enough big RUclipsrs talk about it to raise a larger awareness of the abuse. It’s such a horrible problem that I was able to easily find monkey abuse videos and a playlist of them just by searching up “baby monkey” because yes it is baby monkeys that are especially abused for these videos. It’s disgusting. I have a phobia of monkeys and the fact that even I have enough humanity to know that a living creature doesn’t deserve to be abused and killed for some weirdo online’s entertainment makes me so upset.
But I think a really beneficial RUclips channel for how to identify these animal abuse videos and the abuse videos that are quietly insidious in people that are non-that animal owners wouldn’t know or recognize they are abuse is Soda Pets. It looks like she has several playlists that are a good start, with TikTok Animal Videos being the one that mainly discusses TikTok abuse videos and Reddit Videos with similar content.
@@Polyeurythaneyup, I’ve come across a particular fake rescue channel that people have been trying to get taken down for years. This person’s videos are an endless cycle of the same thing.
Healthy animal arrives. A few days or weeks later, formerly healthy animal gets seriously sick or grievously injured. Person makes videos about the sick or injured animal. People beg the person to get a vet involved. They refuse - “too expensive” or “too far away” or “this animal doesn’t trust other people”. The animal dies. The fans defend them - “you’re a good person” or “it’s not your fault”. The fans send donations through the comments. The cycle repeats.
In between all of this, the person responsible constantly tries to redefine the story. They change the names that they use to refer to the animals, change video titles to make it seem like they’re looking after more animals, and refuses to accept a single shred of responsibility for anything, even when we’ve seen them on camera doing whatever it is that they claim they didn’t do.
The "primitive building" ones are such a dark reflection of algorithmic monetary rewards, but also fascinating. I got into a rabbithole of them once and found one which was very clearly somewhere in southeast asia, but the description said they were in north carolina or something. Another one, which I think had close to a billion views, had overlap with the animal rescue thing because at the start they had extremely obviously put some puppies down the bottom of a hole they dug and then "rescued" them. I also remember that one group had done all their work on someone else's land and they were pissed because they'd just made a pile of extremely annoying holes and thrown a bunch of cement in there.
@@L1ama Oddly enough, the animal rescue one I came across was kind of the same thing, but slightly inverted. Also SE Asia, but they were upfront about that from the start. They “rescued” a group of wild animals, then spent months making videos to show the progress of this “rescue centre” that they were building. Out of nowhere, there’s suddenly this “oh please help me, my neighbours are forcing me to close down because they’re all poachers and smugglers and whatnot.” Turns out the person had spent the past three or four months building a “rescue centre” on somebody else’s property. Then it turned out that this individual hadn’t just been building shelters, he had been putting food out for the wild animals in the area. It really should not be surprising that the neighbours were angry that a group of wild predatory animals had taken to wandering up and down the section of the river they used for subsistence farming.
first person i’ve seen to ACTUALLY avoid witch hunting/harassment, the effort of creating your own examples is very admirable
I believe a lot of the fake electronics restoration videos are also "filmed in reverse". That is, taking a perfectly working item and slowly destroying it, while editing the final video with the steps somewhat reversed. Elliot Coll did a few videos calling this out.
Thank you for making this.
I can't stand fake restorations. Mainly because so many people fall for it, and it diminishes the work of actual craftsmen by letting it look like anyone can do it with just a bit of soapy water and a piece of sandpaper.
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Then I realized, we're talking about very different things here, and that your comment - while still spam - at least isn't crap.
You're not trying to sell something or screw people over, let alone hurt someone. And if Jesus helped you find your way and hapoiness in life, that's fine. You do you.
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But Jesus is your Lord. What does that make God? Does he have anything to say?
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It's sad that this is happening at all. There are a lot of neglected guns that need love already. There's no need to intentionally ruin a new gun.
If you think this is sad, you should look at these fake animal rescue videos where some dumb ass is hurting animals just to "rescue" them later...
@Xafovod balls
unless you're an anti-gun activist of course.
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no shit
either way hoonter of hoonters probably wanted to just say somthing, I don't think there is a grand movement going one here
I would save them all if i could. Sadly there is only so much space in my ass.
I think the dead giveaway for most of these is the uniform, bright orange rust. I've been working on a bunch of project pieces lately, mostly cheap .22s and shotguns, and natural rust is almost never uniform, it's usually patchy from where condensation collected. Also, as you pointed out, usually some parts still have intact finish. Upload frequency I think is another good indicator of validity. Some of these channels have a new vid every day--doing this work for real would require a massive staff to achieve this. It's just not happening.
What really gets me is most of these videos are then absolute hack jobs in "restoring" the pieces. Wire wheels and angle grinders make more appearances than they ought to throw pretty sparks for the camera.
It's all just so gross to see. Glad you and a few other creators out there are calling this sort of thing out
Great for the focus and warning!
I've never had any doubts on your videos about the general appearance of the weapons, it's true that some surfaces nevertheless look overly rusty in the beginning and in miniature, but that's minimal compared to the nonsense we sometimes see on other channels.
On our side, we restore objects that have spent sometimes 50 years in water, and some people sometimes criticize our results because they compare our weapons to those aged voluntarily on fakes channels...
On the other hand, we have the traceability of our hundreds of treasure hunts, which adds to our credibility, having the provenance is an asset too!
It is obvious that a German Flare Gun found in a canal after 70 years will never be new again, or it will have no markings and no soul!
Keep up the good work!
That flare gun you fished up was the best !
@@marklammas2465 It is also my favorite!
Another good tip is if the rust is uniform around the entire item. There is almost no case where an object isnt laying up against something or exposed on one side or is more rust prone in one area.
The only case I can think of is what I call "attic specials", guns that were put away in an attic or basement & forgotten about completely until it's brown & flaky.
Those tend to get a pretty even coat over the years
Shouldn't burried items be mostly uniform?
@@killsode4760 you would think, but not usually. The chemicals in soil aren't as evenly distributed as we like to think, so a piece of steel is buried with mostly kaolin soil on on side and nitrated soil on the other the side that's nitrated will be more aggressively rusted than the kaolin side. This also applies to the different types of FeO that get formed. Some, like black rust inhibit corrosion while others like red encourage it
If you look at metal that's been buried years you'll see different colored blotches and different levels of pitting form where different concentrations of the various oxidizing elements are touching different parts of the metal.
Btw kaolin is about the best thing to bury metal in. Unless you've serious flooding issues it will be locked in a chemically neutral, oxygen free & mostly water tight environment. It'll still be rusted, but not near as bad as any other soil
@@nicholashodges201 Also a gun that ends up in the ground or outside exposed to the elements will have a varying coverage of oil meaning the rust will attack some parts more aggressively or faster than others. How the rust was distributed on an item is most of the reasons that I have also doubted the honesty of the restorations on this channel also even though there are culprits far worse out there. All I suspect here is use of oxidation accelerant.
Exactly! Also,rust actually eats into metal,it doesn’t just sit on top of it - at least not of its badly corroded
The fact that steel doesn't rust green or blue has actually saved me in the past. Someone was telling what they claimed were 'recovered' helmets from WWII. Each had visible 'rust' on the non-metallic parts of the liner, and there were spots of blue or green seen in each of them.. They were charging $250 for each, by the by. Stay observant.
The rivets on the liner and strap, and the buckle might have been brass, some m1 helmets definitely did use brass parts That would have left green rust, But go with your gut I'm sure there was more to it than that.
Another good tip about these; if corrosion is not noticeably heavier in tight spaces/nooks and has little to no variation in the severity of the overall coat of corrosion that is cause to believe that it may be faked
This is why I also have doubts about a few projects on this channel also.
That's generally true of guns that have been neglected but still stored mostly dry indoors. Here in Europe, a large number of guns got stashed away outdoors during WWII, because the Nazis could search any house whenever they pleased and nobody wanted to be caught with a rifle or whatever. Better to hide it outdoors so you can plausibly claim no knowledge if it is found. I've seen a number of such guns that got buried or otherwise hidden outdoors for five years before being dug up again, in a time before waterproof plastic bags etc. Typically hunting rifles and shotguns, kept for putting meat on the table rather than for fighting. Several had a fairly even rust layer all over the exterior, but with lots of deep rust pitting. Burying the gun causes rust all over, not just in the books and crannies where someone failed to clean and lubricate.
I'm not someone who watches this kind of video at all, and I really don't like guns. But this is a really good video, and you have so much honesty and integrity, I can tell how passionate you are, and I love that.
As restorer for 50 years, I see many videos where the objects in question all look to have the same extreme amount of distress. This was never the case for restoration I undertook, even some of the most challenging items never looked as bad as those on RUclips Videos.
I've hated seeing fake restoration videos, to some it might be obvious, but it's clear that their tactic does have positive numbers... what upsets me is that it takes away from people making real, great content. I am glad there is raised awareness on this!
Yes!! even worse is the time i was watchin one out of curiosity and a worm popped out of it 😰 stupid phobia jumpscare
Like many, many of your viewers...I've done lots of restoration work on all types of equipment. It really is not hard to spot a fake video if you've seen what time and the elements can really do. Pitting, discoloration, working pieces frozen and fused, smaller parts completely eaten away are all things you will find on an item as severely neglected as some of these fakes depict. Yet the rust comes right off, leaving every part intact. All the item needs is a little polishing. Right. Thank you for doing this video.
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The ending was a stroke of genius. Rather than tell you which video was fake and drive some views there, they've left it up to people to farm through his entire catalogue to spot that one instance of fakery.
Not many people are going to actually do that though.
@@michaelorlando4761 if he is even catching 100 people to do its already a win.
Stroke of genius or just as click greedy as the people he criticizes 😂
@@michaelorlando4761 I did that actually :) I think he referred to his Kar98k restoration. For the thumbnail he added a broken stock while what he originally restored was just the receiver (i.e. all the metal parts); which I guess was done for dramatic effect. A naked receiver doesn't make a good thumbnail.
Still not really a 'fake' video because he explains that in the first 30 seconds
@@Krom5072 Yeah, I was kinda confused about him calling it a "fake" since he immediately made it clear that the original stock had been destroyed and thrown out before he could get his hands on it, and that what we're seeing is just a re-enactment of the condition the gun was found in. I actually thought it was a neat touch, but I guess everyone is their own harshest critic.
There’s a quality to your content that convinces me that all of your restorations are genuine.
There’s no ASMR and you explain each process as you do it, especially on how to ensure a safe restoration or one that could potentially go wrong if not properly observed. Even explaining about specific quirks of a manufacturer and how they used a certain thing to achieve a goal.
Perhaps the people calling out your videos as fake are making fake videos themselves? If your views go down, theirs are more likely to go up earning them more revenue.
Please keep making your content. I think it’s brilliant!
You're a saint for pointing this out. As someone who spends a tremendous amount of effort on video's barely watched, it is frustrating to see obvious fake channels raking in millions of views. People may not like being lied to. But they sure as hell don't mind being decieved.
Pro tip; Your videos don't get watched because you don't post them.
People like entertainment
Like top gear and the grand tour. Its al fake and staged with special effects and good acting. Like in movies
@@HappyDude1 Except there is a big difference between obvious entertainment and people trying to come off as genuine and willingly misinforming people for cheap clicks.
Top Gear would do skits, but they would never tell people it's no biggie to go to the North Pole in a pickup truck while filming the entire thing on a soundstage.
Another great open, honest and informative video. On fakes, another touchstone is how strong your emotional reaction is. Scams feed on pushing emotional buttons, so if you can feel those buttons being pushed, that's the sound of alarm bells ringing.
Thats all of marketing. All marketing and social media is manipulation, and every single person is a manipulator.
@@Khronogi Is someone truly wanted to educate, profit and manipulation is secondary.
Another tip is when the object is very clean but rusty. If it was dug up then there should be organic materials grown into the rust.
Another similar video you could do is how to spot unprofessional vs professional restoration. That is, if some restoration channel doesn't actually know what they're doing and are damaging the firearms or something.
I’ve seen those videos😭😭
I dont believe there is such a thing a preofessional restorer
That would take decades of work in a given field lots of money spent on education intimate knowledge of current manufacturing techniques
And knowledge of past techniques truth is restoration makes things looks nice and brings them back to a state of usefulness but destroys the historical value
Just recently i restored an antique depression era dresser (the video is on my channel) because of the smoke soot and water damage the original finish was not salvageble most of the wood was still good so restoration was possible and was done but because of the damage the finish could not be saved or cleaned enough to make recreating the original finish possible the dresser looks great in its current form but it isnt period correct so the historical value of its gone
@@GeorgiaRidgerunner Yeah, sure. If you want to be pedantic. What I mean is that there are ways of "restoring" a gun that are worse than others. As someone who knows very little, it's difficult to reliably tell whether someone is just scraping rust off or if they know what they're doing.
I'm so pleased that you have got 1.5 million views and 51k likes and you didn't even have to genuinely restore anything! Sometimes words speak louder than actions.
In addition to being a factory trained S&W mechanic (retired), I restore old die casts and slot cars. I have made mention of this issue. It was not well received, not by creators, but by their followers. The creators were strangely quiet on the matter😁
Nice to know backyard ballistics also restores people's perception of restoration content.
Really appreciate you making this. Way too many fake firearm and car restoration videos on youtube.
I have seen so many videos that noticeably look fake and no one talks about them, I am happy to see that RUclips recommends your channel, there are some very well done, with real rust, physical damage, but even so, they were damaged on purpose
This is one of the best channels on this platform. It honestly is a true treasure.
TBH THIS is a gem of a video. I saw a awefull lot of gun restoration vids comming past me in my reccomended section, and i suspected that it was the same deal as with all those fake mobile game adds. I'd rather watch a actual restoration then even a realistic fake one. Defo gonna give your vids a look if i feel like it!
Another thing I've noticed is that they tend to delete comments calling them out, leaving only positive comments but but with very few likes on them since the most popular ones calling them out are deleted, you can also get the dislike enabler plug in for chrome to see dislikes again,
Thank you for the video!
I really like the transparency, that you admit you made one look worse than it was once and regret doing it. I didn't learn much new from this video, but that's because I am a nerd who already knew a lot of the fake vs. real corrosion details, but it's awesome to see a content creator showing and explaining this for the benefit of others.
I appreciate your honesty and choosing not to target anyone. Being able to tell what is real on the internet is a skill much more people need to learn.
9:46 was it the Sten? I'm pretty sure you never showed it with the removeable stock in the pre-restored condition. I might be mistaken on that though. I must say it looks terrible without it, and we're talking about a firearm that barely looks like a firearm.
Kept it classy by not using footage from suspicious videos. I've only watched a couple of gun restoration videos. But after watching this I'm suspicious of half those videos now.
Be suspicious of 80% of them, maybe more depending on how profitable the videos are. A chance for any money whatsoever brings out all the cheating scammer fuckheads. RUclips in general is a pit of fake bullshit
@@moronicalmeister shame and name would've been fun drama but oh well good info
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I know there are lots of people faking it on youtube, but restoration videos never occurred to me. Thanks for the education.
The first "restoration" video I've come across a few weeks ago was one of the Desert Eagle, which I found quite strange since. Fast forwars YT recomended me your channel a few days ago and I felt in love with your videos. They are educational, entertaining and I like the way you present them.
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@@elikim3968 yep
@@elikim3968 Same. Guy has 22M views though, so he’s literally doesn’t give toss, as long as he gets views. Dislike his vids then unsub.
What I did once I found out the truth.
I'll be honest, I think I may have seen thumbnails for ur vids before and avoided bc I thought they might be fakes, but after clicking on this and immediately seeing an actual person behind the camera, talking to the camera, it's been a huge relief to know I've found another genuine restoration channel! now excuse me while I binge ur content lol
This channel and forgotten weapons are treasure troves. Thank you!
Interesting fact about when you talked about artificial diamonds they usually identify them by looking for flaws a natural diamond would have lmao so an artificial one is actually better.
And cooler, honestly
@@anthonyhayes1267 but worth less
@@evil1st the value is arbitrary. If it's objectively better and cheaper then that's a steal.
@@evil1st "I see this as an absolute win."
@@evil1st natural diamonds are only worth so much because of market manipulation lol, it's fucking crystallized carbon dude
Rust, corrosion, and degradation of parts
I saw a video a while back of a legit gun restoration, was a swamp-recovered SKS, encased in thick, dried clay, muck, and lined with heavy rust... the stock was heavily eaten away by worms, and rotten from the period it spend under water. The furniture was unrecoverable, and internals were heavily degraded from rust and sitting for so long, once everything was disassembled, the reciever was heavily pitted and worn away and the guy did away with as much of the old bits to make it fireable. It was capable of being used as a rifle again. but the overall wear was too much for consistent use. Its a good video
hi , knifemaker/blacksmith here
great explanation about corrosion love your channel
i'm tired of explaining my friends and family who send me fake restotarion that they are not real
theres a little trick to make the the woods make older
i made it for a couple of short films when they need some wood look old
of course if you do this in a fire arm it will ruin it forever
but works for esthetic porpouses
like fake rust it's not the same but looks good 1 m away
only works well with soft woods with big grain ,
if you swamp it and let it dry in the sun it begins to crack and open and look old , you can even stain parts with mud , coffe and dirt, trow it to the gorund to get some texture etc.. , repeat the process until you like
it will look old from a camera
Thank you for raising this issue. I haven't come across fake weapon restorations, but I've seen plenty of fake toy car restorations. The point is not only that this is a hoax, but also that these videos are boring and monotonous, since the cars are always "broken" in the same way and not realistically with the same brown coating.
I feel like generally the more in depth a channel shows the process the more likely it is to be real
People who do real restorations know their stuff and will have no problems showing that mastery to it’s fullest extent
Good video, thanks. I'm not even the type to like artificial weathering to make a piece look period correct. When I built my FAL off an Israeli parts kit someone on a forum was throwing in suggestions on how to artificially weather/rust the receiver to make it match the rest of the gun and at first I thought they were joking. Whether a new part looks out of place or not I still am not going to purposefully damage it to match "patina".
yeah that's something you'd do to like, an airsoft gun or prop to make it look a certain way. no way you'd do that to a real firearm
There are times when matching a "patina" is the way to go. I work mainly with muzzle loaders, mostly between 1840's - 1880's and to me seeing a gun that shows 100+ years of honest age with a shiny brand new replacement part just looks bad. In your case with a FAL I think personally I would have done an arsenal grade refinish on the parts kit and brought the parts up to better match the receiver
I appreciate this content because it tries to make people more aware. I have a relatively small experience with firewarms and to be honest, I do yearn to get more.
A video like this certainly helps me be on the look out for things both fake (those who lie) but also for things that are real (actual damage from rusting) so its like a 2 for 1 combo on the learning.
I cannot stress enough how content like this is what is needed these days for we no longer live in the era of infomation but rather ... the era of disinformation.
God bless my dude.
Don't listen to the haters! You are the real McCoy!
Adam savage mentioned there are sooo many fakes a couple weeks ago.
I started taking a deep look at videos after that. Thanks for the video
I’m not much into restoration but I like seeing and learning new things which took me down the RUclips rabbit hole to this guy. He is awesome and has great words of wisdom about the Internet!
My favorite restorations are wristwatches. The microscopic work, the specialty tools, and it's just so calming to watch. I don't know of any fake channels, since there are so many broken, abused watches available. Nekkid Watchmaker is a good one.
Now that's what a man does, gives in to the temptation of deception, has a reckoning and goes forward to educate people while being honest with others and more importantly, himself.
I never imagined that there would be fake restoration vids before you mentioned it in the last video. Now I'm curious to find out everything.
It’s funny to see the view count of your videos because as you said, guns that are shown a lot in video games and favorites by gamers (like the Luger, K98, sten mkII) get a lot more views. I bet you would get a ton of views on this video if it was renamed “Desert Eagle Restoration!!!” or a ton of views if you restored a Thomson SMG.
But that would be fake :)
Keep making videos, they’re awesome, and you’re awesome!
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@@lptomtom
Thanks
Funny you mention that. I once saw a “Desert Eagle Restoration!!!” video where they clearly showed a smooth bore and the rotating bolt they showed was different caliber.
I have no idea why this video was in my feed. But it was worth the watch. Played it out of curiosity, stayed for the good content, the information value and the very clear and illustrated demonstration.
Very well done!
This is the only resto channel I watch. Love your content, educational, entertaining and interesting.
I don't even watch restoration videos, for this exact reason. Thanks for making this video to help viewers become more discerning, and maybe stop giving so much traffic to the frauds out there.
There is one I can recommend that isn’t fake and is pretty much the OG channel for restorations. Look up my mechanics. No guns but lots of items that are 50+ years old getting great restoration done by a master machinist. There’s no VO to the videos or obnoxious music. Just captions and tool work. Worst thing he light be guilty of is he might decide not to restore a certain part just so he can fabricate a new replacement part because we can’t go one single video without a certain catch phrase that we are all waiting to see! 😅
Thank you for doing this video. Every time I see one of these videos recommended to me( with the exception of yours and Mark Novak's "Anvil"), I can help but rolling my eyes and think, "you bought that yesterday and chucked it in a bath of acid". And that's disregarding the very liberal use of the term "restoration" that involves angle grinders and sand blasters.
@Xafovod Your comment doesn't make sense.
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This was actually a great video, I love exposing this kind of practice. It's not just in the gun community either, I do toys and the number of people who set brand new $10 Lamborghini toys from walmart on fire and then "restore" them is insane vs people who actually go out and find old toys and breathe life back into them.
It's a shame too because just like with popular guns, Lambos and supercars get attention while my 1940's airplane isn't going to attract a lot of attention.
Good for you you are only the second gun restoration channel I've watched the other being Mark Novak 's Anvil and as he's a genuine New York Gunsmith of years experience I think his videos ar impeccably honest. And I'm impressed with your methods and explanations, so I believe you are genuine as well. I had no idea there were many " restorers" faking their work on RUclips so thanks for putting this video up. I've just watched your restoration of the Webley Mk 6 hand gun and you may be interested to know that the Italian company Fiochi were the only people in the 1980's who were manufacturing brass for the 455 using modern primers and I have a couple of hundred of them from when I was shooting ( we lost our guns in 1997 here in the UK when handguns were banned) and I was shooting a .455" Enfield, a nice government copy of the Webley . It didn't have much finish on it but it shot reasonably well as it still had pretty good rifling.
I'm not even that into gun restoration but I have seen a lot of tech and antique restations popping up. Thanks for this- really well explained.
Glad I found your channel.
I am always suspicious of any item totally covered in bright orange rust.
It can happen naturally but when the entire item has an even orange coat it signals to me it has been soaked in acid or hooked up to electrolysis backwards.
About the only time you will naturally find a full coating of bright orange rust is when an item has been underwater and then allowed to set in the air for a while.
I always find it suspicious the "heavily corroded" rescues look like the normal item, but orange. If it looks anything like the painted example in the thumbnail, I automatically assume it got a saltwater bath for a week or two.
Thank you, I always knew some were fake, and now I know why.
There are so many fake restorations videos when it comes to restoring vintage gaming consoles.
Late to the party but the level of honesty I have found on this channel so far has been such a pleasure to experience. This video alone convinced me to subscribe. I have watched a few of the videos so far and I am looking forward to watch any and all videos going forward. Keep up the amazing work and thank you for such knowledgeable content.
Props to you man for telling the truth:)
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@@jamesmayle3787 no
Most 1:18 diecast car videos are fakes or at least staged. Diecast cars don't "rust" as they're made of zinc, so I find it quite hilarious when you see one with "rust" on it. These people also seem to manage to find pristine restoration parts that were mysteriously missing from the original car to install. There's not an easy way to just get brand new spare parts for big diecast cars.
Seeing this mysterious red-brown rust characteristic of iron on an object made of zinc, which has totally differently appearing white corrosion products, is kind of surreal
@@CATASTEROID934 absolutely.
@@CATASTEROID934 Is that the white-ish corrosion i see on some of the very old diecast cars i have from hand-me-downs when i was a child? I vaguely remember an old red-line tire mustang that i found in my backyard in the dirt growing up that had to be there from the previous owners decades ago and it had a splotchy, somewhat smooth but matte corrosion on it.
Very well said I agree honestly I know of only a few youtubers that are very genuine Restorations. (firearms) The fake tend to make me cringe and shake my head at how wrong they are going about restoring. At least you and Mark Novak are doing things right there are a few more
Until now, I seriously had no idea this kind of stuff was going on. Dude.......
@Mark Novak yeah it's happening glad a few of you guys are doing things right ... hate seeing classic guns butchered by amateur at Least You and a few others are doing things right on conservation and restoring this firearms :)
This is very informative. I had my suspicions viewing other vids, but you precisely pointed out what to look for. Thank you for your honesty and professionalism.
Thanks for your vid. Yes, a lot of content creators fake the restoration, especially motorcycle restorations. I can't count the times I've sat down to be entertained by a good restoration vid only to find it's a bike that's been placed in mud for a few weeks to make it look "abandoned".
A completely uniform coating of rust is dead give-away of 'cheating'!
Things rust faster on one side than the other*, plus rust eats deeper in nooks and crannies where moisture or salts have concentrated.
There will be spots where rust doesn't form at all. Waxes, grease, lacquers and other finishes would have protected some of the metal.
Very slow rust makes deep pits while fast or accelerated rusting tends to remove a uniform 'skin' of metal.
*Oxygen diffuses into the soil/ground water on the side of the metal closest to the air; 'natural' rusting will tend to be more advanced on one side than the other!
Hi! I'm not into firearm restoration, rather I tend to watch electronics restoration. However, I really appreciate stumbling across your video. I watch a lot of RUclips and it is so hard sometimes to disseminate what channels are actually credible. Some tips I would like to add are any channels and/or videos in all caps as well as any channel/video with the words like "world", "all", "truth", etc. Lastly, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. In all cases, I do exactly as you say, operate under the assumption it's fake until proven otherwise.
Thanks again!
I love these gun restoration videos, this has been real eye opener!
I salute you sir!
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To just say in public "I did it once for a thumbnail and regretted it" takes some serious guns. Now I've subscribed.
Thank you very much for this video. Small correction/ fun fact: You can actually tell natural and lab-grown diamonds apart, especially if it's a high quality lab diamond. Natural diamonds can never reach that level of purity.
Mild fakes I think can be good, if it's done openly. Like you say, the restoration process is the same, so you can learn something, but it certainly should be disclosed. Honesty matters.
I don't watch gun videos, let alone gun restoration videos, but I do watch restoration videos of various machines and furniture and enjoy restoration myself. I want to add that your video here is also highly useful for spotting fake restoration videos in other restoration branches than guns
the reason most people prefer modern guns usually seen in video games is most likely because most viewers of these videos are under the age of 10
My favourite is when they "restore" an object by replacing every piece of the original so that nothing remains, so in actuality they just destroyed the original and built a replica.
This is the biggest problem with sites like youtube... people watch fake videos, and thinks they know what they're talking about. There is no editing by a real professionals, what you watch might be fake, and in some cases it might even be harmful if you try it out for yourself. I think people are not that critical anymore about what they watch online "It has millions of views, it's gotta be legit". But as you state, the biggest are often the biggest fakers. Thanks for making an informative video about spotting fakes!!
I'm into bikes rather than guns and it's scary to watch people try and learn to ride an R1 or Gixxer by watching youtube videos instead of going to a proper riding school or at least have a friend/relative teach them. Equally scary are all the "tips" in the commentator field when knowing that some of them might not be riders at all or even 12 year old kids.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions. I knew I wasn't crazy! (At least where this is concerned lol.)
There is a way for ferric objects to be green. It would be close proximity to copper or a copper-bearing alloy. The entire object won't be green but you can definitely have verdigris staining on iron. It actually isn't the iron itself but staining of the iron oxides. Working in college in archeology there were two instances from the same site where we discovered items stained like I described. One was a broken Brown Bess bayonet that has been laying on top of a brass buckle and I don't recall what the second was. It was just a ch-unk of iron that ended up in the water-screening table.
How does gun laws work in Italy? Please make a video about it
This might be what your looking for.
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He already done One.
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The only update is that since 2022 9x19 is legal
I really enjoy the "my mechanics" channel. I think that it's one of the best.
6:16 somehow this man managed to describe these "gun experts" saying phrases like: "that looks like an ak" to an M16 custom with a wooden grip.