In terms of Mettacrit in Ruthless, I actually "killed" him during my Pacifist route, where he pretends to die but later explains he really can't die to them. Chara then writes "Alive" instead of "Fabulous" and it doesn't abort compassion. I think they really were fooled in Ruthless.
Honestly, after the video was finished I wanted to look deeper into it. A friend of mine, @slight5989, ended up checking if it actually raised the game’s kill counter, and similarly to crossbones Mettalot’s battle does not increase it. This doesn’t fully confirm anything of course but it does sort of imply to me that they knew they didn’t actually kill Mettalot, although either explanation is equally as plausible.
@@nobody..--. the cardboard cutout is there because, obviously, he tried using it to escape. But if you keenly pay attention you can tell he doesn’t actually get away, he fades to dust behind the cardboard cutout.
I agree with your assumption that Chara considers Crossbones “Eradicated” just to ease their own mind about ever encountering him again, but I also have this second, alternative theory in my head that makes Chara sound a little more in control of their mind. Perhaps Chara doesn’t mean that they killed Crossbones the person, but rather Crossbones the persona. As in, Chara assumes that Sans won’t ever assume the identity of Crossbones again after this, either because there’s no point in putting on the whole act in a time like this anymore, or because his reputation has been ruined by failing to stop the human. It’d match the superhero theming somewhat from a meta level, there’s tons of comic stories where the hero takes a huge defeat or gets humiliated in some way and stops being a hero for a while. Also it’s just really funny to think that Chara considers Crossbones eradicated because they destroyed him in the free market of ideas.
@@yourfathersinferioritycomplex To be fair it probably won’t be Crossbones for the final boss; It’ll likely either be Papyrus or maybe even the Temmies depending on how things go.
I think Chara on ruthless will be aware of the player, as we can see them way more distressed in general in ruthless and their trauma regularly coming to light throughout ruthless, they regularly seem shaken up and it seems as if the actions we are potentially forcing them to take through killing and torturing other monsters on ruthless are really taking a toll on their mental state throughout the route. After all on other routes they feel far less distressed throughout the other routes. It definitely makes me wonder how Ruthless will end, because I could see Chara rebelling against us in some way at the end Also awesome video, I absolutely adore TS! underswap! Chara is portrayed so well in TS! Underswap, and I genuinely love their characterization. TS Underswap is among my favorite undertale fangames as well, so I am super excited for later updates!
Personally, I think we’ll see a lot of this unfold in the next demo during Crystal Springs. Remember, In undertale, waterfall is the area that encounters start with a smile instead of “!”. Chara may rebel in some way although I think their mindset will be warped eventually to solely desire LOVE.
With Kris in Deltarune, who is clearly a parallel counterpart to Chara more than Frisk, Kris is basically like showing more of who Chara actually is same with what TS! Underswap is doing, like their love for playing piano/music, being known as a mischievous prankster, having a dark and edgy sense of humor, being an introvert (we can see that with Chara shyly hiding their face in the golden flowers in Asriel´s flashback, which is adorable🥰), now it makes sense why Undertale makes you name the first fallen human and why their true name is said in quotation marks, considering that they have been dead for quite a long time and they were confused when they as a ghost got woken up by the absolute main protagonist power that is Frisk's determination from when they fell on, of course the kid would have a hard time remembering their own name since they've been dead for who knows how long (you know what they always say ¨the dead often forgets¨), hence why Kris is their real true name, everyone says how Frisk looks and reminds them of ¨Chara¨ with the same hope in their eyes, so they must have got pretty similar names too.
I don’t think Kris is exactly something that should be fully compared to Chara, because although they share many traits they are also very distinct from one another in a lot of ways. Kris also has quite a bit in common with Frisk (Same skin tone and hair color, Vessel for our existence, Kris’s name literally being one letter shy of being an anagram to Frisk’s name) so I couldn’t write Kris off as mostly being deltarune’s equivalent to Chara, or that it’s fully elaborating on Undertale Chara.
@@kamera1890 Yeah that's fair, I thought with Kris having a similar colored striped shirt and having a lot in common with Chara, that they could be Chara´s counterpart, though yeah, they could just be like a combination of both Chara and Frisk sort of fusion.
Just a clarification, Frisk’s determination is not their own. Similarly to Kris, they’re a puppet for the player to pilot. This is actually confirmed in the art book, where it said Frisk isn’t actually that special. In geno, it’s implied that the ability to come back from death is an inhumane thing. Which makes further sense when we consider the only other guy to have this ability, Flowey. Flowey came to life cuz of the extreme injections of determination, which isn’t possible for a regular human or monster. The determination is likely coming from the player, and is also even implied to play a role in TSUnderswap. Not sure what you mean by the names in your last sentence. But other that that, I like how you talked about how much of a parallel Kris and Chara are to each other. Might be why Kris and Chara are so awesome as characters to me.
@@BelBelle468 Ah, I see, thanks for clarifying that, I found it hard to believe that the mysterious red human soul/us was puppeting Frisk when someone else told me just without proof of where it was confirmed, and I agree Kris and Chara are cool, Chara´s plan to free the monsters may have not been the best, and it wasn't on the kid take on the responsibility in freeing them, but props to this child for having the determination in even attempting to save a race of magical creatures trapped in that mountain and having hope that the plan would work.
I'd say what is pushing Chara forward is who they were swapped with. They were swapped with Frisk, and Frisk always persist. Frisk's determination to move forward is why Chara is always forced to move forward. Even when we, the player, are trying to choose options Chara wants, like the "I want to stay here" changing to the question of how to leave.
I don't agree in all honesty, considering that everything seems to be rather implied that it's the player due to the fact that when you do Ruthless and approach Larry and Harry, they mention they don't have a soul, prompting Chara to question their own "Soul", it makes it seem that it's an outside force rather than Frisk themselves.
@@Alt_DiegoBrando How do we change options without doing anything? We choose from the options that have been provided to us, we do not provide options.
Chara has always been the character from Undertale I’ve found the most interesting (kinda like how much I love Kris) and always felt like most fan projects have never explored them well (if there r projects that do, I’d love to see some recommendations!) This is the first project I really felt depicted Chara “correctly” by explicitly taking from their source material. It was wonderful to see a video analyzing them. Excited to see more from TSunderswap & you in the future
I still don't believe the one changing Chara's dialogue is the player as there is just certain things that don't make sense to me. If it is us, the player, changing the dialogue then wouldn't we be aware that we are the ones doing it? Many players (including myself) are going to go through the whole game wondering what the entity changing the dialogue is and, if it is revealed to be the player, it would be kind of strange. I get the whole 'curiosity' thing but, what about the players who are curious about what happens if you stay with Asgore, or if you want to say, "I don't know" to Sans' question? It would kind of be immersion breaking and take away that sense of choice that players love in Undertale fangames if it was revealed that you were the one changing the dialogue. Not to mention how none of the changed text is in first-person when it would be better if it was. I don't hate this theory; I just think it would make much more sense for it to be Frisk so that they have at least some role in the story. Plus, I think the player being in control of Chara's actions, not their words, is enough control to still have the player be relevant. Sorry about the rant, just wanted to share why I don't think it's the player doing this.
I’ll go through this point by point to say why I think it’s the player influencing Chara. So for the first point, a lot of players may be ‘unaware’ because the game doesn’t want to explicitly confirm who it is, likely for mysteries sake. The main reason I like Player theory though is because the player themselves has to choose the overwritten dialogue, and this action is done with the red heart (something that in basically all of Undertale and Deltarune is directly linked to the player). If it was Frisk then I don’t see why these dialogue options exist at all, Chara would just something out of line independent of the Player choosing an option. As for the second point, if someone wanted to stay in Asgore’s home or have a more uncertain response to Sans, the left dialogue option exists for a reason. The last thing here is about wanting to give Frisk a role in the story; Firstly, I think it’s kind of weird to want Frisk influencing Chara’s solely to have a role in the story is kind of weird narratively. Secondly, they will very likely have a role in the story that is dependent from being the entity, since they’ll likely either be the main Temmie or Flowey. I Hope this comment helps!
@@kamera1890 I know this comment is 4 months old, but I just want to add something. Besides the Ruthless route's "My... SOUL?" line, there is another part where Chara questions their soul being theirs. Iirc, during compassion/neutral route, you can read a book in the Starstruck village's library about the nature of souls, and how they can persist after the body's death; after reading it Chara even puts a question mark near the heart in the journal. What I'm implying is that the soul could've actually belonged to Frisk before, and it didn't spawn out of nowhere just because we started playing. Look at it this way: if Chara is the narrator, then Frisk is the one offering choices (and changing Chara's for their own in this case), and we're the ones' who choose. Combine this with Frisk actually having their own will even in UT (them wanting to leave Toriel, just like with TS!US Asgore), and I think them being the Entity makes a lot of sense. A little bit unrelated, but... About the conflict on the bridge between "the Entity" and Chara. I'm pretty sure it was "the Entity" who shouted at Chara because they were hesitant to say what "it" wants, and from the others' perspective it was Chara who shouted at Papyrus. It must've hurt them though, being reminded that they may not be in control. Oh, but I really loved your TS!US Chara analysis! You did a great job nailing down their personality in-depth. And I know that the Entity's identity is not the point of your video, but it certainly seems like a good topic for a discussion (since I'm clearly not the only one debating with you about it...). So, sorry if I came off rude or anything, just wanted to insert my two cents!
@@_red_crewmate for the first paragraph, I think that Chara having Frisk’s soul from a lore-perspective is super wack, especially if their soul broke like Undertale Chara’s likely did. I think it’s easier to understand (and less convoluted) if when Chara is referring to the general loss of control they feel with the Entity’s presence, and questioning their own agency. The entity *could* be Frisk with their determination to proceed, but it could also be the Player’s desire to proceed and see the rest of the game’s narrative. For the second point, I used to believe the “SHUT UP” was from the Entity as well, but based on the context it seems like it’s Chara. The fact it shows up in red text specifically, which is highly associated with Chara, seems damning on its own, but the context makes this more clear. Like during that scene when you keep pressing on with the Entity’s dialogue you can see Chara’s sprite change as they get more frustrated, and when they do say shut up their sprite once again changes. It just seems to be Chara. Also no worries on the entity discussion, hehe.
haven't played it, but good video. from watching, i think ts!underswap handles chara better than almost all other fanworks, but i think some extensions of their character and personality aren't too accurate in the context of them in undertale. i still like how they're treated though, i'm surprised at how well they're written
8:06 i think i find it obvious that it's Frisk, maybe not all of our actions but were definetly not the ones overwriting Chara's options, remind you that it was Frisk choice to leave the Ruins in the original undertale. While Chara just wants to stay. Maybe it's both Frisk and the Player, but Chara is mostly bothered by Frisk as were just moving Chara forward. Ah and, it's pretty much easy to say that the order of the fallen children was swapped, Justice was the one before Frisk in the original, and TS!Underswap we find their gun and cowboy hat in Ruined Home. So it's easy to tell they were the second after the first one. Who was the before Justice? Frisk.
I can't deny the idea although I haven't seen much backing to it. For the argument of it being Frisk's choice to leave the ruins, I mean I guess? But also, so did all of the other fallen humans. So if we use this argument then the patience soul is equally as likely to be influencing Chara's actions as Frisk is. As for the second part of this comment, that Frisk is the first fallen human... I agree that they are the first, that is strongly implied; This doesn't have much correlation with if they're influencing Chara's actions though or even have a similar role to them as Chara did in Undertale because their origins are basically unknown to us at this point. There's no hard proof for anything but I just think it makes the most sense to be the player, all of the dialogue options that can be overwritten currently are aligned with what the player would say. The compassion route choices always focus on the entity's desire to move forward, like how any player playing a video game would. The ruthless route's overwritten dialogue has focus on the entity's need to see what happens, which again, is in line with how most players play these darker routes in the first place.
@@kamera1890 i mean, there's the whole "re-awaken by your determination thingy" so who knows if Frisk is taking the role of the original Chara in a different way in this au, just because the other fallen human wanted to leave it doesnt necessarely mean they're spooky ghosts that are following Chara. -tho i would definetly love that one day when the full game comes out there will be a TS!Underswap Cyan-
You did amazing at this analysis! This has so much information that could be easily dismissed. I have to wonder if you had *any* kind of help with the analysis...? If it was, this person is truly just the most majestic human there is.
12:30 My headcannon for crossbones is that’s it Semi cope. Chara is coping about the fact they didn’t kill Crossbones the person but rather Crossbones the character. They marked them as eradicated as they clearly knew it was a cardboard cutout(when you check on it Chara comments about it.) but Sans probably won’t show their face as crossbones anymore after the failure to stop them.
I like how Frisk's influence is portrayed here. Chara would be happy to stay with Asgore or with the skeletons, but Frisk's determination to leave is forcing them to keep going. Chara was swapped with Frisk. In Undertale Chara's influence is limited to the narrating. In Underswap that influence is based on the determination to leace the underground that defines Frisk.
Thank you for the video! I went all chin-hands listening, love listening to thoughtful analysis of Chara (my favorite UTDR character) and TS!Underswap Chara (my favorite take on them in any fangame/most fanworks I've seen). You picked up on a bunch of cool details and presented some cool theories! What I really love about TSUS Chara is how they allowed to be a KID first and foremost, instead of A) a stabby stabby demon who thinks about literally nothing other than killing, B) overfocusing on making them a bad/flawed person, or C) making them a standoffish tsundere. Like... c'mon. Does ANY of that sound like someone Asriel would enjoy hanging out with and laughing with?? They have to have A Personality for all that. :P Team Switched did SUCH a good job on capturing NarraChara's voice (which I 100% believe for Undertale, it fits too well and it not being true creates some really weird unanswered question about odd things in the narration) and also for teasing out interesting, colorful ways to illustrate their personality and make them a really vibrant, goofy lil protagonist! I love the sketchbook and their drawing habits in the Sans fight and Koffin K's walls, golden flowers having such meaning to them as a place of peace, them being such a little dramatic troll, like all of it is so dang good!! We eatin' so good with this one! As a Chara fan, I couldn't be happier with the work they've done, it really feels like the fangame I've been waiting for for years! :))
You can also start the evacuation neutral run by doing pacifist/neutral in ruined home and going geno mode during starlight isles, so how does this variation of the run fit with the "change" prevalent theme?
Admittedly, it doesn’t fit into the theme the same way the aborted version of evacuation does. The evacuation route is pretty open-ended though in triggering it so I just focused on discussing the most popular (and probably intended) way of activating it.
Chara is my favorite UNDERTALE character. Playing through TS US myself was very enjoyable, seeing how well they handled characterizing them. I'm glad you share that same appreciation.
10:57 this is truly a "L + ratio + skill issue + you fell off + do better + cope mald seethe harder + the gun is worse" moment (...that part aside, this video was absolute PEAK!!! it even showed me cool stuff i didn't realise about the game before! get subscribed :D)
@@kamera1890 bro's really coping like chara lmao (im not surprised about the quality since you and everyone who helped put a lot of effort into the vid! you really cooked (with the pan ;]) for this one 🔥)
@@devaraanimationI didn't see anyone using that weapon in the mod so idk Also, me and Kamera are talking about TS!Underswap's Toy Gun, not the other guns. "Toy Gun VS Dented Pan" is something we've been arguing about not long since we've met each other, and it's like an inside joke for us to start arguing about it whenever either weapon is brought up. Sometimes one of us purposefully does that just for the sake of it lmao
Ngl, TS!Underswap's Genocide ending might become way sadder than Undertale's. Think about it: Chara is "swayed", I'd say since they're a kid and likely naive, into killing an entire town, begins to feel good about it as FOR ONCE she feels in control and "strong", only to begin to feel bad about her actions (following the theory of the actions like leaving Larry and Harry are signs of Chara wanting to stop), try to stop, but somehow, still thinking she's in control, still attacks them. Not only that, but after their fight with Sans, they desperately try to yell for help but are forced by an entity (Which I strongly believe to be Frisk in some way) not to do so, making her so frustrated she begins yelling at others. I don't even want to imagine how much more they'll have to go through in the rest of their journey.
There's no official patch for this yet but the name has been changed by Team Switched, and this should be in the 2.0.6 patch of the game when that is released. If you want to know more about it read here: x.com/TSwitched/status/1770208769428906053
I'm a bit scared what Frisk is going to be like in the ruthless route if they show up at the ending considering Geno-Frisk seems to have a sadistic and mocking personality unlike Geno-Chara's power-hungry/completionist yet simple nature.
If Frisk ends up having a somewhat similar speech at the end, then I think it will focus on something more akin to Flowey’s sense of completionism. Wanting to see every bit of content the world has to offer, although rather than just equating them to “Lines of dialogue” and “Sets of numbers” Frisk I feel would focus more on the Characters emotions, wanting to scrap together all sense of emotion, whether it be positive or negative, out of the world. Lazynick made a hypothetical of Frisk having a speech after a second genocide run that I think excellently captures this idea for Frisk: x.com/lazynick5/status/1771921352083046647?s=46&t=UuHS46TxlUDiwZjd4VVnMg
@@kamera1890 I agree, though I find the idea of something with that much power just wanting to make people suffer for fun and not any greater reason or curiosity way more fucked up.
@@conquestanddeath4406 * No matter when it happens. * No matter where it happens. * I will be awaiting to witness your return. * May you choose compassion, cruelty, or something in-between… * I will be there to see it. * To see the joy from those you spare, to see the despair from those kill you. * To observe all of the feelings in this world that your actions bring forth. * That is what I am waiting for. * See you next time, partner.
Chara also demonstrated sadism in the genocide narrations. Sadism on the path of genocide is clearly demonstrated by Chara, not Frisk. After all, you see "It's me, Chara" in front of the mirror, not "It's you"
Mm yeah, since this was my first video I wasn’t used to adjusting my mic quality. RUclips’s auto-generated subtitles are surprisingly accurate though if you want to use those.
It’s definitely left pretty vague currently, but I don’t think it’s Frisk. All of the current overwritten dialogues are about either progression or “needing to see” what happens, and these line up extremely well with the player.
@@kamera1890oh so the reason I got sans and papyrus is because I did a late evacuation route? I started ruthless in starlight isles instead of ending one in ruined home
I don’t really like how Undertale RnY portrays Chara. The pessimistic personality they have, especially in the pacifist route, just doesn’t really work for me.
In terms of Mettacrit in Ruthless, I actually "killed" him during my Pacifist route, where he pretends to die but later explains he really can't die to them. Chara then writes "Alive" instead of "Fabulous" and it doesn't abort compassion. I think they really were fooled in Ruthless.
Honestly, after the video was finished I wanted to look deeper into it. A friend of mine, @slight5989, ended up checking if it actually raised the game’s kill counter, and similarly to crossbones Mettalot’s battle does not increase it. This doesn’t fully confirm anything of course but it does sort of imply to me that they knew they didn’t actually kill Mettalot, although either explanation is equally as plausible.
@kamera1890 wait since crossbones doesnt increase your kill count then that could mean
CROSSBONES IS STILL ALIVE
@@nobody..--. clearly not, I think that one was a bug or something. Crossbones is clearly dead.
@kamera1890 what about the cardboard cutout it clearly implies he escaped just barely and papyrus didn't see him
@@nobody..--. the cardboard cutout is there because, obviously, he tried using it to escape. But if you keenly pay attention you can tell he doesn’t actually get away, he fades to dust behind the cardboard cutout.
I agree with your assumption that Chara considers Crossbones “Eradicated” just to ease their own mind about ever encountering him again, but I also have this second, alternative theory in my head that makes Chara sound a little more in control of their mind.
Perhaps Chara doesn’t mean that they killed Crossbones the person, but rather Crossbones the persona. As in, Chara assumes that Sans won’t ever assume the identity of Crossbones again after this, either because there’s no point in putting on the whole act in a time like this anymore, or because his reputation has been ruined by failing to stop the human. It’d match the superhero theming somewhat from a meta level, there’s tons of comic stories where the hero takes a huge defeat or gets humiliated in some way and stops being a hero for a while.
Also it’s just really funny to think that Chara considers Crossbones eradicated because they destroyed him in the free market of ideas.
Honestly this is a pretty interesting idea! I think both could be true to some degree.
Thats gonna be super interesting to see develop later on, i just really really REALLY hope sans isnt the final boss of the ruthless route
@@yourfathersinferioritycomplex To be fair it probably won’t be Crossbones for the final boss; It’ll likely either be Papyrus or maybe even the Temmies depending on how things go.
@@kamera1890 i think the temmies will more likely be a neutral route final boss, as a parallel to Omega Flowey
@@protol5683 it could also be Chara understanding they killed the Crossbones Persona and not Sans the monster behind it in a moment of cope
I think Chara on ruthless will be aware of the player, as we can see them way more distressed in general in ruthless and their trauma regularly coming to light throughout ruthless, they regularly seem shaken up and it seems as if the actions we are potentially forcing them to take through killing and torturing other monsters on ruthless are really taking a toll on their mental state throughout the route.
After all on other routes they feel far less distressed throughout the other routes. It definitely makes me wonder how Ruthless will end, because I could see Chara rebelling against us in some way at the end
Also awesome video, I absolutely adore TS! underswap! Chara is portrayed so well in TS! Underswap, and I genuinely love their characterization. TS Underswap is among my favorite undertale fangames as well, so I am super excited for later updates!
I doubt Chara will rebel against us for alot of reasons, instead I believe it will be quite the opposite, they won't rebel... They will comply.
Personally, I think we’ll see a lot of this unfold in the next demo during Crystal Springs. Remember, In undertale, waterfall is the area that encounters start with a smile instead of “!”. Chara may rebel in some way although I think their mindset will be warped eventually to solely desire LOVE.
@@kamera1890Agreed!!!
,@@kamera1890I'm excited to see what happens on every route, and what type of meta commentary ruthless will become
@@blazie42069 I agree!
YESSSSS, someone finally talked about this :D, TS!Underswap is amazing so it's nice to see people talk about it
I agree! I love it so far and I hope other people will discuss other aspects of it too ❤️
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With Kris in Deltarune, who is clearly a parallel counterpart to Chara more than Frisk, Kris is basically like showing more of who Chara actually is same with what TS! Underswap is doing, like their love for playing piano/music, being known as a mischievous prankster, having a dark and edgy sense of humor, being an introvert (we can see that with Chara shyly hiding their face in the golden flowers in Asriel´s flashback, which is adorable🥰), now it makes sense why Undertale makes you name the first fallen human and why their true name is said in quotation marks, considering that they have been dead for quite a long time and they were confused when they as a ghost got woken up by the absolute main protagonist power that is Frisk's determination from when they fell on, of course the kid would have a hard time remembering their own name since they've been dead for who knows how long (you know what they always say ¨the dead often forgets¨), hence why Kris is their real true name, everyone says how Frisk looks and reminds them of ¨Chara¨ with the same hope in their eyes, so they must have got pretty similar names too.
I don’t think Kris is exactly something that should be fully compared to Chara, because although they share many traits they are also very distinct from one another in a lot of ways. Kris also has quite a bit in common with Frisk (Same skin tone and hair color, Vessel for our existence, Kris’s name literally being one letter shy of being an anagram to Frisk’s name) so I couldn’t write Kris off as mostly being deltarune’s equivalent to Chara, or that it’s fully elaborating on Undertale Chara.
@@kamera1890 Yeah that's fair, I thought with Kris having a similar colored striped shirt and having a lot in common with Chara, that they could be Chara´s counterpart, though yeah, they could just be like a combination of both Chara and Frisk sort of fusion.
I think Kris is a parallel for both
Just a clarification, Frisk’s determination is not their own. Similarly to Kris, they’re a puppet for the player to pilot. This is actually confirmed in the art book, where it said Frisk isn’t actually that special. In geno, it’s implied that the ability to come back from death is an inhumane thing. Which makes further sense when we consider the only other guy to have this ability, Flowey. Flowey came to life cuz of the extreme injections of determination, which isn’t possible for a regular human or monster. The determination is likely coming from the player, and is also even implied to play a role in TSUnderswap.
Not sure what you mean by the names in your last sentence. But other that that, I like how you talked about how much of a parallel Kris and Chara are to each other. Might be why Kris and Chara are so awesome as characters to me.
@@BelBelle468 Ah, I see, thanks for clarifying that, I found it hard to believe that the mysterious red human soul/us was puppeting Frisk when someone else told me just without proof of where it was confirmed, and I agree Kris and Chara are cool, Chara´s plan to free the monsters may have not been the best, and it wasn't on the kid take on the responsibility in freeing them, but props to this child for having the determination in even attempting to save a race of magical creatures trapped in that mountain and having hope that the plan would work.
Really cool video!! Love seeing in-depth analysis stuff like this.
I'd say what is pushing Chara forward is who they were swapped with. They were swapped with Frisk, and Frisk always persist. Frisk's determination to move forward is why Chara is always forced to move forward. Even when we, the player, are trying to choose options Chara wants, like the "I want to stay here" changing to the question of how to leave.
I don't agree in all honesty, considering that everything seems to be rather implied that it's the player due to the fact that when you do Ruthless and approach Larry and Harry, they mention they don't have a soul, prompting Chara to question their own "Soul", it makes it seem that it's an outside force rather than Frisk themselves.
@@Alt_DiegoBrandoBut the dialogue options changing is outside of our control
@@Alt_DiegoBrando How do we change options without doing anything? We choose from the options that have been provided to us, we do not provide options.
Chara has always been the character from Undertale I’ve found the most interesting (kinda like how much I love Kris) and always felt like most fan projects have never explored them well (if there r projects that do, I’d love to see some recommendations!)
This is the first project I really felt depicted Chara “correctly” by explicitly taking from their source material. It was wonderful to see a video analyzing them. Excited to see more from TSunderswap & you in the future
I still don't believe the one changing Chara's dialogue is the player as there is just certain things that don't make sense to me. If it is us, the player, changing the dialogue then wouldn't we be aware that we are the ones doing it? Many players (including myself) are going to go through the whole game wondering what the entity changing the dialogue is and, if it is revealed to be the player, it would be kind of strange. I get the whole 'curiosity' thing but, what about the players who are curious about what happens if you stay with Asgore, or if you want to say, "I don't know" to Sans' question? It would kind of be immersion breaking and take away that sense of choice that players love in Undertale fangames if it was revealed that you were the one changing the dialogue. Not to mention how none of the changed text is in first-person when it would be better if it was. I don't hate this theory; I just think it would make much more sense for it to be Frisk so that they have at least some role in the story. Plus, I think the player being in control of Chara's actions, not their words, is enough control to still have the player be relevant. Sorry about the rant, just wanted to share why I don't think it's the player doing this.
I’ll go through this point by point to say why I think it’s the player influencing Chara. So for the first point, a lot of players may be ‘unaware’ because the game doesn’t want to explicitly confirm who it is, likely for mysteries sake. The main reason I like Player theory though is because the player themselves has to choose the overwritten dialogue, and this action is done with the red heart (something that in basically all of Undertale and Deltarune is directly linked to the player). If it was Frisk then I don’t see why these dialogue options exist at all, Chara would just something out of line independent of the Player choosing an option. As for the second point, if someone wanted to stay in Asgore’s home or have a more uncertain response to Sans, the left dialogue option exists for a reason. The last thing here is about wanting to give Frisk a role in the story; Firstly, I think it’s kind of weird to want Frisk influencing Chara’s solely to have a role in the story is kind of weird narratively. Secondly, they will very likely have a role in the story that is dependent from being the entity, since they’ll likely either be the main Temmie or Flowey. I Hope this comment helps!
@@kamera1890 I know this comment is 4 months old, but I just want to add something. Besides the Ruthless route's "My... SOUL?" line, there is another part where Chara questions their soul being theirs. Iirc, during compassion/neutral route, you can read a book in the Starstruck village's library about the nature of souls, and how they can persist after the body's death; after reading it Chara even puts a question mark near the heart in the journal. What I'm implying is that the soul could've actually belonged to Frisk before, and it didn't spawn out of nowhere just because we started playing. Look at it this way: if Chara is the narrator, then Frisk is the one offering choices (and changing Chara's for their own in this case), and we're the ones' who choose. Combine this with Frisk actually having their own will even in UT (them wanting to leave Toriel, just like with TS!US Asgore), and I think them being the Entity makes a lot of sense.
A little bit unrelated, but... About the conflict on the bridge between "the Entity" and Chara. I'm pretty sure it was "the Entity" who shouted at Chara because they were hesitant to say what "it" wants, and from the others' perspective it was Chara who shouted at Papyrus. It must've hurt them though, being reminded that they may not be in control.
Oh, but I really loved your TS!US Chara analysis! You did a great job nailing down their personality in-depth. And I know that the Entity's identity is not the point of your video, but it certainly seems like a good topic for a discussion (since I'm clearly not the only one debating with you about it...). So, sorry if I came off rude or anything, just wanted to insert my two cents!
@@_red_crewmate for the first paragraph, I think that Chara having Frisk’s soul from a lore-perspective is super wack, especially if their soul broke like Undertale Chara’s likely did. I think it’s easier to understand (and less convoluted) if when Chara is referring to the general loss of control they feel with the Entity’s presence, and questioning their own agency. The entity *could* be Frisk with their determination to proceed, but it could also be the Player’s desire to proceed and see the rest of the game’s narrative.
For the second point, I used to believe the “SHUT UP” was from the Entity as well, but based on the context it seems like it’s Chara. The fact it shows up in red text specifically, which is highly associated with Chara, seems damning on its own, but the context makes this more clear. Like during that scene when you keep pressing on with the Entity’s dialogue you can see Chara’s sprite change as they get more frustrated, and when they do say shut up their sprite once again changes. It just seems to be Chara.
Also no worries on the entity discussion, hehe.
Man love the analysis, really in depth and interesting, also love that ts!underswap is getting more attention and videos for it.
Thank you!
Wow. I didn't know I had so many fans.
dunno about NotTsUnderswapChara but tsunderswapChara sure does have alot
@@baxelbox313 I'm definitely them I promise.
Did you live the fall at the end of the elevator
@@itsniqilisitsme4701 The flower saved me.
Holy shit Chara TSUnderswap??
haven't played it, but good video. from watching, i think ts!underswap handles chara better than almost all other fanworks, but i think some extensions of their character and personality aren't too accurate in the context of them in undertale. i still like how they're treated though, i'm surprised at how well they're written
8:06 i think i find it obvious that it's Frisk, maybe not all of our actions but were definetly not the ones overwriting Chara's options, remind you that it was Frisk choice to leave the Ruins in the original undertale. While Chara just wants to stay. Maybe it's both Frisk and the Player, but Chara is mostly bothered by Frisk as were just moving Chara forward.
Ah and, it's pretty much easy to say that the order of the fallen children was swapped, Justice was the one before Frisk in the original, and TS!Underswap we find their gun and cowboy hat in Ruined Home. So it's easy to tell they were the second after the first one.
Who was the before Justice?
Frisk.
I can't deny the idea although I haven't seen much backing to it. For the argument of it being Frisk's choice to leave the ruins, I mean I guess? But also, so did all of the other fallen humans. So if we use this argument then the patience soul is equally as likely to be influencing Chara's actions as Frisk is. As for the second part of this comment, that Frisk is the first fallen human... I agree that they are the first, that is strongly implied; This doesn't have much correlation with if they're influencing Chara's actions though or even have a similar role to them as Chara did in Undertale because their origins are basically unknown to us at this point. There's no hard proof for anything but I just think it makes the most sense to be the player, all of the dialogue options that can be overwritten currently are aligned with what the player would say. The compassion route choices always focus on the entity's desire to move forward, like how any player playing a video game would. The ruthless route's overwritten dialogue has focus on the entity's need to see what happens, which again, is in line with how most players play these darker routes in the first place.
@@kamera1890 i mean, there's the whole "re-awaken by your determination thingy" so who knows if Frisk is taking the role of the original Chara in a different way in this au, just because the other fallen human wanted to leave it doesnt necessarely mean they're spooky ghosts that are following Chara.
-tho i would definetly love that one day when the full game comes out there will be a TS!Underswap Cyan-
You did amazing at this analysis! This has so much information that could be easily dismissed.
I have to wonder if you had *any* kind of help with the analysis...? If it was, this person is truly just the most majestic human there is.
They truly are the most majestic people ❤️
12:30 My headcannon for crossbones is that’s it Semi cope.
Chara is coping about the fact they didn’t kill Crossbones the person but rather Crossbones the character. They marked them as eradicated as they clearly knew it was a cardboard cutout(when you check on it Chara comments about it.) but Sans probably won’t show their face as crossbones anymore after the failure to stop them.
I like how Frisk's influence is portrayed here. Chara would be happy to stay with Asgore or with the skeletons, but Frisk's determination to leave is forcing them to keep going.
Chara was swapped with Frisk. In Undertale Chara's influence is limited to the narrating. In Underswap that influence is based on the determination to leace the underground that defines Frisk.
Thank you for the video! I went all chin-hands listening, love listening to thoughtful analysis of Chara (my favorite UTDR character) and TS!Underswap Chara (my favorite take on them in any fangame/most fanworks I've seen). You picked up on a bunch of cool details and presented some cool theories!
What I really love about TSUS Chara is how they allowed to be a KID first and foremost, instead of A) a stabby stabby demon who thinks about literally nothing other than killing, B) overfocusing on making them a bad/flawed person, or C) making them a standoffish tsundere. Like... c'mon. Does ANY of that sound like someone Asriel would enjoy hanging out with and laughing with?? They have to have A Personality for all that. :P
Team Switched did SUCH a good job on capturing NarraChara's voice (which I 100% believe for Undertale, it fits too well and it not being true creates some really weird unanswered question about odd things in the narration) and also for teasing out interesting, colorful ways to illustrate their personality and make them a really vibrant, goofy lil protagonist! I love the sketchbook and their drawing habits in the Sans fight and Koffin K's walls, golden flowers having such meaning to them as a place of peace, them being such a little dramatic troll, like all of it is so dang good!! We eatin' so good with this one!
As a Chara fan, I couldn't be happier with the work they've done, it really feels like the fangame I've been waiting for for years! :))
I agree!
Great video! Really hope to see more
You can also start the evacuation neutral run by doing pacifist/neutral in ruined home and going geno mode during starlight isles, so how does this variation of the run fit with the "change" prevalent theme?
Admittedly, it doesn’t fit into the theme the same way the aborted version of evacuation does. The evacuation route is pretty open-ended though in triggering it so I just focused on discussing the most popular (and probably intended) way of activating it.
lol chara would be changing for the worse
I hope when they write more they keep this sort of variation in mind. Cuz either Chara is getting better or worse.
Chara is my favorite UNDERTALE character. Playing through TS US myself was very enjoyable, seeing how well they handled characterizing them. I'm glad you share that same appreciation.
10:57 this is truly a "L + ratio + skill issue + you fell off + do better + cope mald seethe harder + the gun is worse" moment
(...that part aside, this video was absolute PEAK!!! it even showed me cool stuff i didn't realise about the game before! get subscribed :D)
The gun is the better weapon and you know it. Regardless, I’m glad you liked it ❤
@@kamera1890 bro's really coping like chara lmao
(im not surprised about the quality since you and everyone who helped put a lot of effort into the vid! you really cooked (with the pan ;]) for this one 🔥)
Clover moment
the gun in undertale with red and yellow mod:
@@devaraanimationI didn't see anyone using that weapon in the mod so idk
Also, me and Kamera are talking about TS!Underswap's Toy Gun, not the other guns. "Toy Gun VS Dented Pan" is something we've been arguing about not long since we've met each other, and it's like an inside joke for us to start arguing about it whenever either weapon is brought up. Sometimes one of us purposefully does that just for the sake of it lmao
I think I know what it is. It’s frisk more specifically what frisk represents
@@Averagebasementman I’ve had a ton of comments suggest this too, it’s possible although not really the point of the video
I love tsunderswap :)
Ngl, TS!Underswap's Genocide ending might become way sadder than Undertale's. Think about it: Chara is "swayed", I'd say since they're a kid and likely naive, into killing an entire town, begins to feel good about it as FOR ONCE she feels in control and "strong", only to begin to feel bad about her actions (following the theory of the actions like leaving Larry and Harry are signs of Chara wanting to stop), try to stop, but somehow, still thinking she's in control, still attacks them.
Not only that, but after their fight with Sans, they desperately try to yell for help but are forced by an entity (Which I strongly believe to be Frisk in some way) not to do so, making her so frustrated she begins yelling at others. I don't even want to imagine how much more they'll have to go through in the rest of their journey.
Just curious, but why do you call Mettacrit "Mettalot"?
There's no official patch for this yet but the name has been changed by Team Switched, and this should be in the 2.0.6 patch of the game when that is released.
If you want to know more about it read here: x.com/TSwitched/status/1770208769428906053
@@kamera1890
Thanks for letting me know. I really like the video BTW!
Genuinely great analysis. Hope this gets more views.
OMG it is kamera.
Unless this is the kamera that didn't do speedrunning.
Also cool video.
Yea, it’s the same me :)
PEAK!!!!
Thank you Mr RUclipsr, your content is also great ❤
Underated
You deserve way more subs
Ive gotta try that evacuation route
I'm a bit scared what Frisk is going to be like in the ruthless route if they show up at the ending considering Geno-Frisk seems to have a sadistic and mocking personality unlike Geno-Chara's power-hungry/completionist yet simple nature.
If Frisk ends up having a somewhat similar speech at the end, then I think it will focus on something more akin to Flowey’s sense of completionism. Wanting to see every bit of content the world has to offer, although rather than just equating them to “Lines of dialogue” and “Sets of numbers” Frisk I feel would focus more on the Characters emotions, wanting to scrap together all sense of emotion, whether it be positive or negative, out of the world.
Lazynick made a hypothetical of Frisk having a speech after a second genocide run that I think excellently captures this idea for Frisk:
x.com/lazynick5/status/1771921352083046647?s=46&t=UuHS46TxlUDiwZjd4VVnMg
@@kamera1890 I agree, though I find the idea of something with that much power just wanting to make people suffer for fun and not any greater reason or curiosity way more fucked up.
@@conquestanddeath4406
* No matter when it happens.
* No matter where it happens.
* I will be awaiting to witness your return.
* May you choose compassion, cruelty, or something in-between…
* I will be there to see it.
* To see the joy from those you spare, to see the despair from those kill you.
* To observe all of the feelings in this world that your actions bring forth.
* That is what I am waiting for.
* See you next time, partner.
@@kamera1890 POGGERS.
Chara also demonstrated sadism in the genocide narrations. Sadism on the path of genocide is clearly demonstrated by Chara, not Frisk.
After all, you see "It's me, Chara" in front of the mirror, not "It's you"
Man you're way too underrate!
My head cannon is that when chara isnt stressed shes literaly just an innocent kid who has the mentality of a 7 year old atleast in pacifist
This is a great video I loved it :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Jee, man you gotta give us subtitles, I can't hear ya
Mm yeah, since this was my first video I wasn’t used to adjusting my mic quality. RUclips’s auto-generated subtitles are surprisingly accurate though if you want to use those.
TS Underswap is the chara before UT cannon
=w=
This is a great video and it gets me excited for the full game in years to come.
8:04 I think is Frisk
It’s definitely left pretty vague currently, but I don’t think it’s Frisk. All of the current overwritten dialogues are about either progression or “needing to see” what happens, and these line up extremely well with the player.
15:12 I didn’t get this muffet encounter, I got the crossbones and papyrus one but still fought sans at the end. How do you get that muffet fight?
If you do the ruthless route or just an early evacuation route this fight should appear.
@@kamera1890oh so the reason I got sans and papyrus is because I did a late evacuation route? I started ruthless in starlight isles instead of ending one in ruined home
@@Bengt2509 Yea if you start evacuation in starlight isles you won’t get the unique muffet encounter
What about undertale red and yellow
I don’t really like how Undertale RnY portrays Chara. The pessimistic personality they have, especially in the pacifist route, just doesn’t really work for me.
what about undertale yellow?
I don’t have too much to say on it compared to TS!Underswap but if I do make more videos I might try to create something for it :)
@@kamera1890 Thank you!!!!!!
chara in nihilism:
Mid tbh
Chara in Nihilism is as far from the canon as possible. In TS! Underswap Chara with a soul is shown much better.
4:54 i've played through this game so many times and yet this is the first time ive seen this phone call lol
There’s some other cute phone calls both in Ruined Home and Starlight Isles