They did defeat the Sacred Beasts before they sealed them. Piemon beat and sealed away Qinglongmon all by himself as revealed in the novelization. As for the other 3 we don't know who faced who. As for Pinocchimon, Metalgarurumon defeated him so easily because of a power-up. It is specifically stated by the novel that Yamato's killing intent and hatred increased the power of Metalgarurumon's absolute zero blast. It wasn't a boost of power at all with Mugendramon. The novelization proves it. The only thing Homeostasis did was to allow the power of evolution that was depleted to come back to Agumon temporarily. AP and DC wise Mugendramon is the most powerful. Infinite amount of energy that he can destroy or alter the Digital World with and his fight with Breakdramon shook the Digital World to its core in Rearise.
@@MustachePandaYT "The Numemon’s last message reached Hikari. We’re counting on you, children… Please, don’t let our deaths be in vain… I know that! Hikari held back her horror and sadness, and folded her hands together. Please. If God exists, then please give us strength. Hikari’s body suddenly glowed. It was the light of prayer. Huh? What…? Bathed in that light, Koromon looked up in surprise. He felt the power of evolution that had been depleted, returning. Taichi, evolve me! He urged his partner. Taichi nodded. Can you do it? Then go for it! Koromon, evolve! Agumon! Agumon, warp-evolve! WarGreymon! The evolution that he had given up on had been granted. Chapter 9: The Last Enemy, Part 2 Collapse of the Cities.
@@MustachePandaYT Any chance you could do a video similar to the Pokemon vs Digimon the truth vid, but with Yugioh in comparison to the others. It was just as big as them back in the day and brought up in arguments on the playground, but now when talking about the monstermania, it’s never brought up with pokemon and digimon.
Also worth mentioning that MetalSeadramon and Mugendramon were both oneshot by *weapons specifically made to counter them* while Puppetmon got oneshot by... MetalGarurumon when it comes to their durability.
Hey puppetmon was killed by all of them he was exhausted cause he just faught metaledimon then the digi destined he was weakened beyond imagination so basically it was just a assist kill from metalgururmon
I feel that Metalseadramon was done dirty in this video. It is true that he seemed to be just killed unimpressely by Wargreymon, but we are overlooking two huge pieces of information. The first one, Wargreymon was really motivated to finish him off, in a similar fasion with the digis that Mugendramon killed, MSeadramon dealt a letal blow to Whamon, giving a rageboost. Also, and MOST IMPORTANT, Wargreymon is blantantly equiped with the Dramon Killers, he had a huge and almost unfair advantage against MSeadramon that got killed with the move that uses the Dramon Killers the most.
It should be noted that Metalgarurumons attack that one shot puppetmon was absolute zero (and his strongest attack). His Garuru tomahawk was able to launch Piedmon so I imagine a direct hit from his breath would’ve done some damage
And Machinedramon (Mugendramon) made the most appearances of the Dark Masters too. He (along with the other Dark Masters) appeared in a flashback in Adventure 02, a Machinedramon (along with Metalseadramon) also appeared in Digimon Frontiers, once again appeared in Digimon Tri (with again Metalseadramon), and finally the latest Digimon anime (I don't know the title of that season) where it fought Wargreymon in a much better battle compared to the 01 Machinedramon battle.
It's been a minute since I watch Digimon but The Dark Masters were probably the first group in my childhood that actually made me love villains. I'm 28 now and I still just can't get enough of them. They're just so unique yet so mysterious in some ways I can't even explain. Also, love the fact that each of the members have their own distinct evil personalities. Metalseadramon is chaotic. He causes rampage and would just burn everything to the ground. The faster the kills, the better. Pinnochimon is a sadist. He likes to take his own time to play with his victims one by one. By actually torturing them physically and emotionally. Machinedramon is a literal unstoppable killing machine. He doesn't talk much but given the nature that he see all of this as a mission makes him the scariest of the group. Piedmon was a psychopathic clown who loves to create performance out of others misery. He make plans and strategies to be presentable to his enemies..which makes sense why he would lead the group. Ruthless. Corrupted. Arrogant. Evil.
In my opinion I still think piedmon is still the strongest and powerful darkmaster out of them all. Especially if Apocalymon created him that way. The digidestined said that they needed all the digidestined and their friends together to defeat him compared to the other dark masters and you saw how he took multiple attacks and got right back up within seconds without a scratch. He took WarGreymon terror force and Metalgarurumon giga missile at the same time screaming in pain but I bet if that gate of destiny wasn't there he would of gotten right back up and continue on fighting.I also remember that piedmon had a lot more attacks compared to machinedramon.Machinedramon mostly used his giga canon while Piedmon used: trump ⚔️,a fire ring,a big ball, keychains, dodge quite a few attacks, clown trick that tour WarGreymon to shreds, a wind attack, deflected Angelmon attack and sending it back at him and probably more. Again in my opinion I still think Piedmon is the strongest out of all the dark masters. Quoting a scene in Joe's battle episode at the beginning: (Tie must of defeated another bark master. There can't be too many of them left. We're almost home free. You think so huh well the toughest one is still out there.Piedmon worst of the worst. He's the darkest of the dark Masters)
MetalSeadramon had highest outer Defense. WarGreymon won by relying on his Dramon Killers and attacking inside. Based on tri, MetalGarurumon can just freeze him and win Pinocchimon is rather average Mega without anything signifigant other than Marionette Strings Mugendramon has highest Power and infinite stamina, but is not very fast or agile like other three. Piemon is all about tricks and skill. He toyed with WarGreymon and took one hit of Dramon Killer without that much dmg. Proven to be too strong, HolyAngemon had to seal him in Heaven's Gate
Each Dark Master had the power level a city individually yet all of them, Piedmon included, had a sudden drop in IQ whenever they could have won the battle: MetalSeadramon could have just burned 6 of the 8 alive while unconscious ... but he didn’t. Puppetmon could have killed TK and Matt while he had them alone ... but he didn’t. Machinedramon KNEW some of the kids were in his city but DIDN’T wreck the whole place as soon as he knew. And Piedmon? Well this King of the Dumbasses had ALL of the older kids and Digimon at his mercy turned into goddamned KEYCHAINS and hung on his belt ... but instead of killing them all he decided to play a creepy game of cat and mouse with Takeru and Hikari, giving Angemon the chance to Deus Ex Machinamon his ass My point is all of them were pretty strong, strong enough to end the heroes many times over ... but they all lost because they were smug pr*cks playing with their food ... I swear they must have gone to the same School for Anime Villainy as Myotismon who could have killed Gatomon easily as soon as he knew who she was then Hikari with everyone else 😒😒😒
I honestly find it hard to believe that Machinedramon could be the strongest of the dark masters, and I find it even more difficult to believe that the dramon destroyers wouldn't work on Machinedramon when he is set up to be among the dramon type and we see Wargreymon specifically use the dramon destroyers to defeat Machinedramon in the series. You may be right about the stats of the dark masters, and your assessment does seem sound, but I still think Piedmon has shown himself to be the strongest dark master and their overall leader. That's my two cents.
Pierrotmon's thing isn't sheer force but trickery and a large bag of tricks to handle a plethora of situations. Machinedramon, or rather, Mugendramon, has that name for a reason. It was the digimon with the potential (key word) of infinite (mugen) power. It wouldn't, and couldn't, stop. While it doesn't necessarily have the highest power of all digimon in the grander lore of things (usually due to 'Gimmick' abilities ala "Omega inForce" or "Alpha inForce" ala Omega/Omnimon or Alphamon; otherwise because that's an OLD profile), that could be due to a plethora of reasons. Including time to gather up power or the mentality to unleash that power. It was beaten only due to a gimmick, and it's possible said Gimmick wouldn't be an absolute win either as seen in the 2020 version, where it did serious damage, but never outright killed in a single strike. Mugendramon's the highest in raw power of the four, hold no doubts. And being made inside out of Chrome Digizoit, if not potentially (as it's not explicitly stated) a mixture of Chrome and Black Chrome (darker parts), it's just EXTREMELY hard to damage altogether. I want to revert this back to the 'Gimmick' Deal. Raw power doesn't win every fight. Nearly every Mega+ class digimon has gimmick abilities. Alpha inForce, Omega inForce, Mugendramon's infinite power, so on, so forth. Presuming the Lore's right, you **cannot** overwhelm a Mugendramon in raw power. Chaosdramon/Chaosdromon maybe, but its power is erratic, it cannot sustain that power just by fact, but it has an overall arsenal and spec upgrade anyhow. This is why Gimmicks exist, and in one Magazine during the time around 2020's release, they specify that many Digimon fights are won based on how these gimmicks form a sort of 'weapon triangle', or through sheer skill to overcome that difference.
You know I kind of wonder how the Dark Masters came into existence, you could argue they were just made by Apocalamon but that's lazy. I like to think their existence mirrors the Holy Beasts.
I've been really enjoying your digimon video and this video i couldn't wait for because I've always liked the Dark Masters. The Dark Masters do something that a lot of people forget, they curb stomp the protagonist as a group and show why the plot has to have them be taken out individually. But please don't tell me you plan to make a video on the time and dimension paradox that is the Millenniummon story?
@@MustachePandaYT I wish you luck and if you are please don't lose your mind trying to explain how a character from a game shows up and is important to the backstory of a "tv" Character then appears in a world that is considered the "REAL" world and how the future effects the past worst than the terminator and back to the future series. I pray for you.
I totally agree on this list! In the Japan Version of Original Adventures even during the introduction of Mugendramon it is defined as the "strongest Digimon". Unfortunately it is hinted that during production of Mugendramon arc there was some tiny drama between writing/production stuff that's why Mugendramon received the worst and shortest arc in comparison to other Dark Masters. And this caused many people thought Piedmon is stronger or something. WarGreymon did beat Mugendramon by miracle thanks to the huge boost both in original adventures and 2020 otherwise it would never stand a chance, 2020 also made this clear when Mugendramon easily put WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon in their places easily... until WarGreymon gets the boost again. And Remember 2020's WarGreymon is way more powerful than the one in the original series.
actually, the dramon destroyers are effective on any dramon or Greymon (who are a dramon sub species) digimon, including mugendramon, it is oficial information, if you check oficial sources, you would know that, all the Dramon and Greymon species are descendentes of the pure dragon Dracomon
I would recommend watching my video on the Dramon Destoryers. I explain my stance on Mugendramon and the Dramon Destroyers and why in that video in a short and easy way!
@@MustachePandaYT I did watch, but your video contradict official canon, officially, according to bandai, it is "if you are a Greymon or have Dramon in your name, you are dead against a dramon killer"
@@MustachePandaYT I think he speaks of what Blackwargreymon says in Rearise to Monodramon that " these weapons work particularly well on Digimon like us" so he includes himself as well. The Greymon familly are a subspecies of the dramon species after all. Or his Digimon Pendulum profile wich says that the Dramon Killer are weapons that can easily defeat dragon-type Digimon. And dragons aren't just those with ''dramon" in their name but any Digimon that has Dragon factor data in their Digicore.
@@MustachePandaYT The long and short of it is they're fulla it. The general lore has them have a huge advantage vs Dragon-type digimon, but we got to remember canonically there IS supposed to be a Vaccine -> Virus -> Data -> Vaccine 'Advantage' System too, so advantage isn't supposed to be the 'insta-win' button. We've seen in 2020 the Dramon Destroyers did not instantly wipe out THAT Mugendramon. In fact one was DESTROYED in the battle. The original Adventure just sold Mugendramon short.
It must-have been a funky translation from the dub to American cartoon but i remember MetalSeadramon's primary attack from its snout cannon was "River of Power "and Megadramamon dubbed MachineDramamon double Turrent attack was GigaCannon"
Mugendramon is my favorite digimon beacause it's a combination of my childhood obssesions a robot's and dinosaurs. In my country mugendramon was voiced by female va with russian accent
Dark masters > Devas> Evil Warriors from frontiers. The dark masters were ruthless and hilarious at the same time. But Grottemon/Grumblemon from frontier was always entertaining on screen.
I think looking at they're supporting cast is also important, metalseadramon has an amphibian assault army that constantly hunts keeps the kids on the run on off focus. Puppetmon army hates him and abandoned post the first chance they get. His unpredictability seems to be a better boon at times than his use of followers Machinedramon is the best army most efficient most loyal most destructive and his tactics nearly beat the kids without him having to be around in person. Piedmon seems to only lead the dark masters as he isn't shown to have many allies during his one against the kids and could argue that he uses stealth and deception more effectively than an army could be.
Wow, really enjoyed the vídeo thanks for it. I know that he is objectively not the strongest but puppetmon is and will always be the best dark master in my heart.
I always felt like this arc was rushed, the demigod, and myotismon arcs are more memorable to me but I do wish the dark masters arc was a bit more flushed out
BTW I'm not discounting power boosts from the kids. I am just confused as to why people side eye power boosts from heroes but act like the bad guy having an entire army and infinitely more time and resources to prepare themselves is A-ok from a honor system (admit this is what ppl do). Not to mention, half the time the bad guy has power boosts too! Not the Dark Masters per se, though I'd argue being made from the ultimate dark energy could be argued as power boosting, but certainly Myotismon and Devimon.
There are some things you missed about metalseadramon. Wargreymon’s weapons are the dramon killers meaning they are used to slay dramon type digimon like metalseadramon, also wargreymon ran through metalseadramon from the inside of his body.
Totally, the dramon destroyers helped him damage metalseadramon, but it doesn't affect wargreymons ability to outright cancel one of metalseadramons strongest attacks, that also happens to be a beam style attack.
Great video. I personally would have said Piedmon, mainly because his evolution line is seen all throughout the series: DemiDevimon Devimon Myotismon While it can be stated Myotismon evolves to VenomMyotismon/MaloMyotismon, in the card game and in some video games, its stated Myotismon evolves to Piedmon. Then, there's also Phantomon, but I'm going with the line I mentioned, and we all saw how powerful those were...especially Myotismon, who was hurt by an Ultimate(WereGarurumon) and Champion(Angemon) I mean no offense, but Angewomon had to get a power-up boost to put Myotismon away.
@@MustachePandaYT Thanks. Kudos for mentioning my favorite game as well: Digimon: Digital Card Battle. I had all four of the Dark Masters, and in that game, Puppetmon is by far the worst of the group. I honestly liked using MetalSeadramon because his Cross attack was multiplied by 3 against Fire-based digimon, and Machinedramon, who is completely terrifying with all three attacks. Piedmon...he's kind of like how you mentioned in the video, and his card just has him sitting with a "oh, its just you" expression.
i actually thought you was gonna put MAchinedramon last but not for those reasons. i thought it was because he actually can evolve to Chaosdramon and ChaosdramonX
Intresting video 💯 I agree there's a difference between who's stronger and who'd win in a fight but also being the leader doesn't always mean being the strongest. Pidemon comes off as the smartest in addition to having exceptionally broken hax, hence he's the leader. Idk how reliable the wikias are, but I saw a statement on Machinedramon being "The digital worlds strongest digimon".
Nice video, not entierely sure about the megidramon feats (since in xross wars manga bagramon felt the need to seal them despite creating ZEED M ) but other very good, i still love how machinedramon is ''the strongest'' digimon in many dialog but now a day that tittle up for debate with digimons like jesmon GX and Examon X being around
I wouldn't pair anything from Xros with the other anime when you have things like a Demon Lord leader working under a lower rank Demon Lord or a DNA Sovereign becoming a horse to a General which is entirely contradictory to Reference Book statements
2:00 technically you're wrong in this situation megidramon is stronger then dukemon and we seem them fight each other in the card BT5-083 of the digimon TCG were megidramon looks to have upper hand in this battle with little to no damage to himself were as for dukemon he looks way more damage with no shield and his lanze is damage and also I forgot to mention that this fight is a 2V1 dukemon has the help of omegamon(and we see omegamon in the right claw of megidramon) this could implies that this dukemon is The Royal Knight dukemon who is stronger than the normal version we see in the tamers anime
on the wiki source that you used if your dramon destroyers video, if you scroll down, mugendramon is listed as part of the groups: Dramon-type, Dark Masters, Crack Team
I have a question... if puppetmon is as strong as you say, how strong is metal etemon? Considering he handled puppetmon.. but then gets destroyed by zudomon, who couldn't do anything to puppetmon.. 🤷♂️
I also agree machindramon is the strongest of the dark master over all power and defense. Intelligence that's kinda unknown 🤔 but he should be some what smart not dumb dumb since he an machine type.
idk, metalseadramon not only made of a stronger metal, but can actually and nimbly move accross any terrain and his river of power blast didnt seem that much weaker than giga cannons to me.
Machinedramon was the easiest amongst the dark masters to be taken out there’s no way his above piedmon Wargreymon did not even do any of his signature attacks he only blitz’s him with his dramon killer gauntlet Piedmon needed to be defeated by two mega and holy Angemon hack powers And puppetmon clearly was the weakest, he only lasted the longest because the chosen children started to fight and separated
Piedmon is by far the strongest and that is not even up for debate. Wargreymon solo’d Machindramon and Metalseadramon Metalgarurumon solo’d Puppetmon However, their COMBINED powers wasn’t enough to beat Piedmon. Like what is so hard to understand about this lol
would clearly set puppetmon to 2. He could have defeated all of the Digiknights, but because he'd rather play with them, he let them all live and gave them a chance to escape. In addition to that, in the final fight, his hammer was destroyed. I'm sure that weakened him. In addition, he probably transformed his house, which also cost him strength. He was the typical Freezar. Very strong but too childlike in character and made mistakes as a result and finally summoned his defeat. Piedmon was clearly different in character and therefore much stronger. What Piedmon did, Puppetmon could easily have done. Machinedramon would never have been able to do that. He even fought together with a lot of other Digimon and made the Digi knights tired with his mass of armies. In a one vs one fight or one vs digital knight fight, he would have clearly lost.
I honestly doubt that, and I would personally rank Puppetmon as the weakest of the 4 Dark Masters, the main reason being that he fought 3 other mega level Digimon at different times in the series and did poorly against all 3 of them. MetalEtemon humiliated him, and Puppetmon was barely able to so much as scratch him; I don't think MetalEtemon was taking the fight seriously (given he literally farted in Puppetmon's face during their battle) AND was able to kill another mega in SaberLeomon. Puppetmon only had an upper hand against WarGreymon because he was able to use his puppet strings to control him, but even that didn't last too long, and need I mention that his hammer got destroyed during that fight by Garudamon, an ultimate level Digimon, who should arguably be in a clearly weaker class than Puppetmon? And when he got killed by MetalGarurumon, Puppetmon was one-shotted by him, and his puppet strings were completely ineffective against him, likely due to the rage boost he recieved (I'm not convinced that was what allowed him to kill Puppetmon, though, given the attack is supposed to be absolute zero in temperature, the rage boost only made him GO FOR that attack because he knew it'd get the job done). It's also worth mentioning that Puppetmon fled after having his hammer destroyed; granted it was his best offensive weapon, but he clearly realized that he was out of his league at this point -- I think he only tried attacking MetalGarurumon because he felt he had something to prove. That said, all 3 of the other Dark Masters each had feats shown in the anime that put them closer on par to other, stronger, mega level Digimon: Piedmon was able to take on WarGreymon one on one pretty effectively, but it's worth noting that he was mostly reliant on his hax abilities to get the upper hand and his entire strategy fell apart as soon as they figure out how to deal with those abilities. MetalSeadramon was pretty nearly able to kill WarGreymon, of whom had a clear advantage against him because of the dramon destroyers, and I'm not too sure how well the rest of their Digimon would've faired against him at the time. Machinedramon is the most powerful of the group easily, and while he was taken down in one attack, he still did enough damage to return a mega Digimon to it's in-training stage in one attack and was effortlessly overwhelming the rest of the group when they did take him on. Puppetmon was not anywhere near as threatening by comparison, and this is probably not because he's using his power for other things, or even because he likes to "play" rather than take a fight seriously -- if you take away his bullet hammer and ability to mind control someone with his strings, he's just not as powerful as the other Dark Masters, or even any of the other mega level Digimon seen in Adventure, for that matter
You didn't mention how dra mon killers gauntlets gave wargreymon mon the edge inmetalseadramon fight, should be noted since puppetmon who blocked a atk wasn't a dra mon unlike metalseadramon
This feels like an uninteresting stretch mostly. Puppetmon was defeated by teamwork, he literally took a full power horn buster, had Garudamon destroy his hammer, and was forced to retreat. He was weakened physically and had his strongest weapon destroyed. Yes he was also unhinged from getting his ass handed to him, but I often feel like we mistake people being able to dodge attacks with being able to tank them. He finally took a full attack from a Mega and was destroyed. They don't seem to explain why the puppet strings don't work, but I feel its plausible that in his weakened state they weren't as strong AND MetalGarurumon had grown stronger in his time apart. Yeah the house thing was an issue for the Digidestined and Matt saved them. But you are way overplaying Puppetmon.
If it's an "uninteresting stretch" Why would you watch the video? I'm fine with you disagreeing but if you're going to be an ass about it, I'm not going to engage with your comment with a proper response, because that would be giving you a level of respect that you clearly don't have for other people.
I personally believe that the rage boost that people say MetalGarurumon got was the reason why he was able to resist the puppet strings: he was too angry to allow himself to be controlled by someone as unhinged as Puppetmon. That said, I do agree that said rage boost was not what was giving him the power to one-shot Puppetmon, but rather it made him choose to go for that attack because he knew it'd be the easiest way to kill him
MetalSeaDramon only lost because he got distracted from using his full energy on his final attack by Whamon and WarGreyMon literally was left with 1hp just like vs. Machinedramon. Nearly sacrifing himself. Puppetmon is the weakest with Machinedramon and MetalSeaDramon being a tie and Piedmon being the most powerful
@@AlexMartinez-gv7hy Beezelmon fairly easily and quickly beat Megidramon in a fight and was out matched by Gallantmon, suggesting Gallantmon is notably superior
I kinda disagree with the placements... Mostly that Metalseadramon is too low and Machinedramon too high. Let me explain: I think Wargreymon was stronger in his fight against Machinedramon than Mtealseadramon, but... What killed Machinedramon was a normal claw swipe...no fancy names or powered move...a simple swipe... Against Metalseadramon it was "brave tornado" with the dramon destroyer bonus (him overpowering that blast is impressive i admit) On top of that If whamon didn't help Wargreymon would have being eaten, they received help against Machinedramon too but it was more of an distraction. Given that, i think that either Machinedramon should drop or Metalseadramon should rise. But that is just me...
Wargreymon was powered up by homeostasis, who was inhabiting Hikari at the time. That's why he went from having zero energy to being able to warp digivolve. Common misconception because the scene with homeostasis is cut out of the English version of the show.
I always saw Metalseadramon and machinedramon as equals, machinedramon might have more fire power but metalseadramon is more agile and is more mobile as he can fight on land sea or air plus he has the digizoid chrome armour to protect him that’s why Wargreymon struggled with metalseadramon and easily sliced machinedramon
I don't know what to think about their power, Puppetmon has a lot of hidden potential but his brute power is in the hammer, if he looses it he's limited, and he has been easily destroyed by a close shot; Metalseadramon -why a Data type?- has just destructive power; Piedmon seems still the strongest with his abilities, Machinedramon seem however more powerful than the others. P.S. Okay i admit i'm not a fan of Digimon designs but I think their appearences could have been more varied, just two armored draconic and two theatre characters humanoids. Also Seadramon line is eventually seen from the good side, i wonder if their Mega would be Metalseadramon as well
I do not think that you understand how MSeadramon was defeated. Wargreymon has the weapon called "Dramon Claws or Dramon Killer" which specifically counters digimon with a "Dramon" on its name. MSeadramon was against a bad matchup, he was destined to lose against Wargreymon due to the Dramon Claws. Against other digimon, Mseadramon might have the upper hand, but his arrogance made him lose. Most of his fights were on the land where he tried to capture digidestined multiple times but failed. He is meant to fight in water as hr boasts the fastest speed in it. But kept fighting on land cause he wanted to flex too much. He deserved to lose imo
I think you need to re-watch the fight. WGM tried to attack mseadramons chrome digizoid armor and failed. He proceeded to outright overpower mseadramons strongest attack with his great tornado, cutting through the attack itself which was a water energy blast. WGM has no inherent advantage over the water energy produced by a dramon. The only thing the dramon destroyers do is make it easier to hurt dramon digimon. Not only that, MSeadramon is a Data water type digimon. WGM is a vaccine fire type digimon. Data digimon are strong against vaccine. Water against fire. MSeadramon had 2 inherent advantages over WGM, and WGM had the possibility of doing more damage with a single shot. MSeadramon proceeded to lose an attack vs. attack struggle where he has the overall inherent advantage, and WGM's entire goal was to close the distance through MSeadramons attack, to land a killing blow. Please re-watch the fight, and gain an understanding of Digimon types and type advantages before you try to correct my information. Thanks.
@@MustachePandaYT you need to do research more. Wargreymon pierced thru Mseadramon because of Dramon Killer claws. Which was his only way of piercing thru. Do not mix game information telling me ultimate stream is water element, because it is not. There is no explanation what element his attack is even in the wiki. If you are referring why Wargreymon could not pierce him the first time is because he was hesitant to fight someone who was stronger. As you can see everytime they fought someone stronger, they had hard time because it is how struggle in story telling is told. If waregreymon just used his Spinning Tornado attack at the first round, Whamon would have not to die and Mseadramon would be dead instantly. Go research Wargreymons history first before you comment. He is meant to destroy dragon digimon as that is his purpose. This anime was released a long time ago and cannot be called accurate. Even devimon was portrayed to be strong despite just being a champion level because digimon would be boring if they can just one shot everyone.
@@MustachePandaYT 국어 LevelMegaTypeDragon ManAttributeVaccineSpecial Move・Terra Force ・Great Tornado Profile The strongest dragon warrior wearing armor crafted from the ultra-metal Chrome Digizoid, WarGreymon is the ultimate form of the Greymon species. It sports a more humanoid physique than the typical large bodies of other Greymon types, but possesses vastly improved power and speed. It may be impossible to defeat with the attacks of Ultimate-level Digimon. The Dramon Killer attached to each of WarGreymon’s arms deal massive damage to members of the Dramon-species Digimon, but also expose WarGreymon to danger, making them double-edged swords. WarGreymon can also combine the exoskeleton parts on its back to form the hardest of shields, Brave Shield. It is said that even among the most battle-hardened of veterans, it is only when one of true valor realizes its own destiny that it Digivolves into a WarGreymon. WarGreymon’s special move is the super dense, high temperature energy beam Terra Force, by which it concentrates all the energy in the atmosphere into a single point before blasting it forward. It also uses Great Tornado to join the Dramon Killer on its arms above its head to perform a spinning, high-speed charge that pierces the enemy HERE IS A SNIPPET OF WARGREYMONS INFO BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO LAZY TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH Read it all hopefully its not too long for you. Against a straight up fight, wargreymon has the means to one shot any dragon species that has a dramon as a suffix. Taichi was just retarded and hesistant to order wargreymon to do it. How many digimon do you think died because of their indecisiveness? Hoping for them to save the digital world. Yes they are children, but that is also the reason why they would always have a hard time because they arent psycopaths who would go all out at tthe start
Did you simply ignore what I read? Are you that ignorant with a burning need to be correct? I LITERALLY HAVE A VIDEO ON THE DRAMON DESTROYERS. GOOD JOB you can READ THE WIKI! Now again, what did WGM DO to REACH METALSEADRAMON, A DATA TYPE WHICH IN THE SHOW MANGA LIGHT NOVELS AND GAMES HAS AN ADVANTAGE OVER VACCINE TYPES LIKE WARGREYMON? That's correct, he used great tornado and CANCELED OUT Metalseadramon's attack. Please show me ANY source that the Dramon killers, a set of MELEE WEAPONs does to allow WGM to CANCEL OUT AN ENERGY BEAM. How about we take a look at your Wiki entry, shall we? "The Dramon Killer attached to each of WarGreymon’s arms deal massive damage to members of the Dramon-species" I don't see where it says it can stop energy blasts. Do you? No it says clearly, it allows him to do more damage to Dramon digimon. Now again, HOW DID WARGREYMON REACH MELEE RANGE TO GO THRU MSEADRAMON'S NOSE? That's right the VACCINE type completely STOPPED THE DATA TYPES attack with his own. Also, Metal SEA dramon, Ultimate STREAM. I don't HAVE to make the connection to the games, and it's crazy how you rely on the Wiki as your end all be all, when (Guess what) Wiki's can miss info. But I'll make the connection to the games for you. 1. Ryo exists in the wonderswan games, in adventures and in tamers. 2. Cocytus is literally an area that connects every single digital world. And I mean all of them. It's the lowest layer of the dark area and exists in every. single. digital. world. This includes every game. So if you want to ignore the information blatantly laid out for us within the series, be my guest. But that just proves how disingenuous you really are. MAY I ALSO POINT OUT that the games like Digimon world 1 came out BEFORE the anime, the game being January 28, 1999 in japan, the anime being March 7, 1999 in Japan, and the GOAL of the Anime, which was originally only supposed to run for season 1(Devimon Arc), was to PROMOTE THE GAMES TOYS AND EPETS? Meaning, If you STILL want to ignore the information provided within the games you are literally ignoring the MAIN CONTINUITY of Digimon, which originally was, and ALWAYS has been, the games. "Against a straight up fight, wargreymon has the means to one shot any dragon species that has a dramon as a suffix" LMAO no. If this was the case he would have one shot Blackwargreymon in 02, because they are dramon as well. "ut also expose WarGreymon to danger, making them double-edged swords" From your copy and pasted wiki article. "Wargreymon pierced thru Mseadramon because of Dramon Killer claws" I never said he didn't. But go off I guess. Doesn't change the fact that he was able to cancel MSeadramon's attack with his own. And again, he still doesn't have an advantage over energy beams, especially from a Data type. And if you're going to keep trying to deny type advantages may I point to Angemon and Devimon, or MagnaAngemon and Peidmon. Also, This part: "If you are referring why Wargreymon could not pierce him the first time is because he was hesitant to fight someone who was stronger." Proof. Tell me what light novel, or chapter in the manga this was stated, because it didn't happen in the anime. They literally talk about him not being able to get thru Mseadramon's armor. As a matter of fact, I'll just prove you wrong. ruclips.net/video/xhdopzlv50k/видео.html There is the clip. 7 seconds in. What's that say? Now after you watch that, watch the entire fight. How does WGM close the distance to land the killing blow? Right, exactly how I said above. Do not step to me, and try to correct me, telling me I need to "do my research" or that I "don't understand", when the only "research" you have done is read the Wiki, actively ignoring what actually happened in the series in favor of head cannon. And this? "Read it all hopefully its not too long for you." If you're going to try and insult my intellect, at least be somewhat correct. Because all this? Hard miss bud. Lastly, I'll reiterate what I ended my last reply with. Maybe you should go re-watch the series. I recommend the Japanese version if you've never seen it.
@@MustachePandaYT @MustachePandaYT @MustachePandaYT why are you so trigerred for being wrong? posting a lengthy paragraph trying to prove something wrong gets you off i guess? is it so hard to admit you are wrong? First of all, i assume this is not your first time watching. Metalseadramons attack is like a water hose. Now imagine spinning at top speed like a bullet thru, it does not take a genius to know who will lose. Against an object that spins in high speed, theoritically in anime at least, it always wins. Wargreymons attack is meant to pierce not just solid objects but attacks it can withstand as well. You keep spouting nonsense about cocytus and whatnot but they do not have any connection to metalseadramon being outclassed. You also mentioned blackwargreymon. i do not see black wargreymon as a dramon species so how can wargreymon one shot it? again you do not make any sense lol. just accept that metal seadramon is out classed due to wargreymons inherent attributes. dramon killers are meant to destroy dramon digimons. if you cannot accept that then do not reply. its like a kid arguing why paper beats rock, but thats how the system goes. paper just beats rock even if realistically it does not make sense. in anime it does so move on triggered kid. Asking for proof why wargreymon was hesitant? didnt you watch the whole anime? they are not psychopaths, they do not go around ordering their digimon to kill. most of the time they are forced to fight. like i said if wargreymon and taichi had a brain, they would have used the spinning move at the beginning and destroyed metalseadramon. but why didnt they? because of plot armor. they gave metalseadramon screentime to kill whamon. they basically used whamons death as motivation to show power development. which is why after whamons death, wargreymon used that spinning move. also to add, he did not use it because he was not aware he could. whamon needed to die, they needed to feel that courage in order to level up. its the premise of digimon, seeing someone die then gettin stressed about it pretty much makes them evolve. i cannot believe i have to explain it like this. this should be common sense. next time do not focus on just the battle. maybe look at the larger picture? go drink some more milk kid oh and watch digimon remake and see how metalseadramon gets destroyed again by the spinning move. chrome digizoid does shit against dramon killers simply because the suffix "dramon" is attached. but against the fight with diaboromon in the digimon movie, it gets destroyed. why? because of the word called attributes. as long as the condition is satisfied, they are dead. since metal seadramon has the condition satisfied, he is dead again. but they cannot beat diaboromon with those, why? again because of the attributes. basic paper rock scissor concept. i do not understand why it is so hard to wrap your small head around it. you are the only person who does not accept why metalseadramon lost. even in different boards and im reddit, it is already accepted he lost due to dramon killers. you need milk kid.
Hard to say as my mans has prolly one of the most broken signature moves in Digimon so like, even if combined they could out AP him, his hax signature moves could legit be enough to wipe them all out without much issue
i really dont get it. Puppetmon is obviously the strongest of all. Beacause he has (or can create we dont know) Puppets of the Children to mainpulate an even hurt them like voodoo puppets. And if he isnt that silly and just wantet to play he could easily win in a few seconds because of that. Piemon and Puppetmon just lose because they like to play and feel to arrogant or to confident that they think they never could win against them.
Then it comes to megas they can kill each other depending on their advantages and disadvantages. Absorbed data and experience also has to be in count. MetalSeadramon lost to WarGreymon because WarGreymon built to kill dragon type digimons. Which is why reason Mugendramon also lost though he had upper edge than MetalSeadramon as he has enough power to destroy War Greymon. Another thing is. Piedmon is way stronger than it looks. The dark masters underestimated digi destined. But rest yes…
The Dramon Destroyers may not have an effect on Mugendramon but they do have an affect on MetalSeadramon, without WarGreymon, the Digidestined wouldn't have defeated MetalSeadramon as easily as Puppetmon
The Dramon Killers are not a get out of jail, absolute victory device. They give him an advantage over Dragon Digimon, it doesn't make it so the fight is won by default. And he still had problems even with them dealing with Metalseadramon's armor wich is made from the same metal. The gauntlets still had to have the durability to withstand Metalseadramon's special attack head on and Wargreymon still overwhelmed said move through sheer force and momentum.
I'm not saying they're a get out of jail free card. I may be misunderstanding things, but the way I understand it is MetalSeadramon's attack would be powered by some kind of dragon power right? I doubt WarGreymon would have stopped the attack with his red ball attack, but the spinning attack with the Dramon Destroyers out ahead would tear through a dragon powered attack. The metal on metal thing is chrome digizoid, but tearing through a dragon powered attack and then tearing straight through MetalSeadramon from the inside out without the protection of the Chrome Digizoid would give a ln edge. It's like Ironman in The Avengers and the "Jarvis, have you ever heard of the story of Jonah and the Whale?" Similar situation.
@@Happy_Magician Dragon powered or not they still had to bear the full brunt of the blast and Wargreymon still had to physically have the raw power to overwhelm the blast with sheer force.
@@theonewhoismany8072 that's fine and dandy, but I still don't think that fight alone is fair to MetalSeadramon to say Puppetmon is stronger. Maybe I'm too biased because I have a decent amount of love for MetalSeadramon and absolutely none for Puppetmon
see I just want to put this out there had all the digidestined got their Digimon to whatever the last rank is where WarGreymon and metal garurumon where I'm not saying this would be a cakewalk but it would have been much easier at least 35 to 45 percent easier
You, made a bit of a calc issue on metal seadramon. Wargreymon has a oddity advantage against him "Any Dragon" digimon is outright weak to the dramon cutters. Even Wargreymon carrier of a dragon line power is weak to his own weapon. Metal seadramon was going to be baned against as soon as "Great Tornado" slammed into him. And wargreymon's weapons are also equally the same metal type. It was the same issue as Machinedramon (Mugendramon) whom was 1 cut by wargreymon. It's likely Metalseadramon was indeed weakest though. He was quite lazy in comparison though River of power is his strongest move. Wargreymon's fire tornado is quite capable to generate repulsion against it flining the two energies away. It's prob cause the "Brave Shield" is on him as well. So he'll take small dose of damage but nothing really notable. But if River Of Power kept hitting him. Then yes...Metal Seadramon would have won out. Metal Seadramon also delt with Wargreymon in a "emotional rage" which prob pushed him over the edge. Since It seemed Piedmon explained it quite well. "Your not familiar with your megaforms compared to us" (They are not skilled as megas nor can maintain that form for extended periods.) The Digidestined legit lucked out. The problem of "Any" wargreymon species is those claws. Time and time again they have been mentioned to be the counter to dragon types. Cybersleuth even points out about the Dramon Killers. TBH...bit shocked you didn't know why he stripped metalseadramon to bits. On top of that...Metalseadramon is a "cyborg" so...his insides are still flesh to a degree. It's one of his weak points. Tanking a River Of Power...yes very plausable for him, it was a no win scenario and was just like metal garurumon 1 shotting Puppetmon. Puppetmon can only control digimon on what seems to be "emotions" so Metal Garurumon's resistance is pretty sturdy. WOudn't be out of the normal is wargreymon could eventually do the same. Since puppetmon is also outright weak to fire formed attacks on top of that. And was emotionally distraught and getting carried away. Even Cherrymon was right on the money about how Puppetmon was foolish and coudn't make real friends cause he was always abusive and destructive. Honestly the saddest part is. Puppetmon was most likely the most redeemable of the dark masters if he wasn't so broken from being created from his "portion" of Millennium. Even Metal Etamon gave him a pretty hard arse beating. AND Zudomon was able to break and destroy Metal Etamon. This also puts Zudomon on a potential scale to Harm Puppetmon too just cause of his hammer's direct strikes is also Digichrome. Anything with Digichrome is amped. Piedmon was just...upgraded Puppetmon anyways...cause Piedmon can do even higher up tricks. Has WAY more mobility and could beat down 2 megas and every ultimate in near moments. He seems to have allot of vantage on 1vs many fights instead of 1 on 1. cause he's very trick reliant and also a "sorcery" digimon. While Machinedramon is by that time a "Relic" digimon. That was the first "notable" mega digimon that ever came out other than Metal Etamon. It's even notable that Machinedramon is a "relative" species of the Greymon line cause most notably it directly forms from SKullgreymon & Metalgreymon. It's most likely that "Skullgreymon" is the central body form while the android digimon subparts that make him up around that core body which does put him even above typical megas. But reality is...he's slow for a mega. Not very fast in comparison to Piedmon, Wargreymon, Metalgarurumon etc. He's just a outrageously potent "tank" with enough "bang" to warrant a huge concern. But when comes to it. MetalSeadramon COULD beat him. And Piedmon outright. Cause they are faster. MetalSeadramon can fly and out move him enough. While Piedmon begiles a small frame but a HUGE strength potential along with magic and trickery. They just don't exactly rank to eachother well ...Puppetmon "MIGHT" have some okay vantages though cause his hammer is where most of his real power lays. and his control strings which would be very ineffective against most mega digimon. He does have a chrome digizoid hammer though. So that makes him able to "attack" but not defend well. He lacks "Piedmons" capacity of evasion and trickery. He's most likely still the weakest member, And only survives by abusing others around him and manipulation.
Is it weird that I don’t see the dark masters being as strong as the four sacred beasts???? Don’t get me wrong as all three are megas and do show some good power or moves and abilities, there’s just something to them that just doesn’t come off as that kind of level of threat that could even defeat and trap the four sacred beasts with their own power. Kind of makes me wonder one of two things, one the dark masters were strengthened by the likes of apocalymon influence, something that I can understand as apocalymon does come off as that much of a threat and powerful, or two these aren’t necessarily the real dark masters per say, rather avatars for them in that world if we factor in different times and space, someone made a similar theory for this about the seven great demon lords, that each of the seven we see in certain games events or series is merely an avatar for the true demon lords who are far more powerful than what we originally viewed.
@@513hook513 while I love wargreymon and do see how powerful he is in his own right I still tilt my head at it especially when later in 02 we see azulongmon just bat away blackwargreymon and while it's debatable on which of the two wargreymon are stronger, I say they're in the same ball park. Plus piedmon is weird cause apparently the only ones that somewhat gave him an issue was andromon for a bit, don't even ask me why cause I don't get that either, and angemon then magnaangemon thanks to the attribute advantage. That and also he was starting to get pushed back by not just wargreymon and metalgarurumon but by the other ultimates that don't even have the same attribute advantage as magnaangemon.
HE ranked it just in between the group imma rank it in between all digimon Personally I think they rank above the demon lords and below the royal knights before you mention it puppet mon was severely WEAKENED by all the chosen digimon that how he died being weekend MachineDRAmon and MetalseaDRAmon where killed by the DRAmon killers a weapon built mainly for them And piedmon well arucadimon isn’t even canon so he never died Metalseadramon was strong enough to defeat all the chosen children 3 times out of 4 fights in the 2 episodes he had Now to make this quick let’s talk about Laylamon and belezamon Metalseadramon has one motivation and goal and it’s to kill the chosen children and Metalseadramon is to smart to fall for laylamons tricks To make this fair imma bring up beelezamon’s blast mode now even with this he’s still getting deleted wanna know why cause metalseadramon is better at flying then him and has stronger fire power so does all the dark masters Now let puppetmon go puppet mon is a god basically he can make voodoo dolls and manipulate people with ease and was strong enough to defeat a digimon dripped out in chrome digi zoid Now barbramon and belphamon ok here before you say it puppet Mon would loose to barbramon but he wouldn’t die he would control him cause barbramon is to cocky but since it’s a 2v1 puppetmon is gonna to use he strings to control belphamon rage mode and make him kill barbramon and then make belphamon delete himself Now machinedramon can one shot a hoard a digimon with just moving his hand and let’s not forget he is the Master at giga canon He’s gonna kill daemon with ease I’d say 5 giga canons one claw But with Levithmon here’s where it gets tough I’m not gonna bring millenniamon into this cause that’s just over kill but machinedramon has a win condition having a invincible soul so he can basically use his soul to take over levithmons body and make him delete himself Now the big one Piedmon vs lucimon now Piedmon wins mainly cause We don’t know the limits to his key chain attack and his clown trick shot is one of the best attacks a digiMon can have and the trump swords can trump anything Piedmon is to fast to be hit by a paradise lost so it’s basically a one sided slaughtered You thought we were done cause Ik people are gonna ask Apoclomon vs ogudomon now apoclomon isn’t evil he’s a pizza guy so ogudomon can’t just kill him by looking at him and apocalomon has the MULTIVERSE ENDING ATTACK I think it’s a clear winner
@@ma_n1118 which is ridiculous because wargreymon and metal garurumon beat them pretty quick and easy after the first time they fought them which was mostly an ambush. Personally I think the sovereign are overrated, along with the dark masters and omnimon.
They are 4 Mega Level Digimons. Dark Masters together they are a formidable power. However they could not stand a chance if they had to face all the 8 Megas of the Digidestined as seen with Tri. HeracleKabuterimon, Seraphimon and Hooumon overpowered Mugendramon in a second.
I agree, I don't think Puppetmon is as strong as any of the other dark masters overall. Just consider when he fought against MetalEtemon: they may have only battled briefly, but Puppetmon was unable to do much to MetalEtemon, of whom was able to take on and defeat another mega level Digimon in SaberLeomon (even if his strength largely comes from having an extremely high defense stat). Point is, Puppetmon was the only one of the dark masters to not be shown to be able to fight another mega level in the show on equal footing without resorting to trickery of some sort, and was forced to run away when his hammer got destroyed by Garudamon's talons (being the only mega Digimon to run away from a fight as I recall).Piedmon, by comparison, while also primarily relying on hax abilities, was at least able to fight WarGreymon and deal some pretty good damage to him, while Puppetmon was not shown to be comparably strong to my knowledge
@@matthewkuscienko4616 there was a theory saying that Pinnochimon was a victim himself of the other three. The character displayed child-like behaviors throughout the franchise. Even saw all of his crimes as games. It was just his darker persona that took dominance. Which makes sense why he felt lonely. I think the reason why he's with them was because of his manipulative abilities. His Bullet Hammer attacks also depowered all of the digidestined in one blow. While also played as a comic relief at certain point, he was still a huge threat to Digidestined that needed to be stopped.
@@adamazri928 I'm not denying that he was a threat; being one of the dark masters alone puts him on a higher level than most any other Digimon they had fought up until that point. All I was saying was that I believe he's weaker when compared to the other 3 dark masters overall, mostly because he didn't seem to be on par with the power level of any other mega level Digimon shown in the series (at least no where near as consistently as any other, save for arguably SaberLeomon, but that had more to do with him being unable to deal any meaningful damage to MetalEtemon, which can also be said for Puppetmon, too). Being able to depower the other Digimon in a single attack is hardly that noteworthy when you recall that it was only versus ultimate level Digimon at best (if memory serves), which is honestly not too impressive when you remember that save for a few outliers, mega Digimon are oftentimes considerably stronger than an average ultimate level
It was no boost neither with Mugendramon nor with Metalseadramon. Metalgarurumon was the one receiving a powerup from Yamato's hatred wich increased the power of his absolute zero.
Wargreymon didn't get a boost due to the numemon, it was die to homeostasis who was invading Hikari at the time. This is cut from the English version of the show. And metalseadramin used his strongest attack, and it was overpowered by wargreymon. The same did not happen with puppetmon.
The Dark Masters are a mega level digimon and they are too powerful they were defeated and sealed the Holy Beasts who are transcends the digital world itself.
I've literally made an entire video on it with evidence so how about instead of saying it's false like you know something you present an actual argument. Get over yourself. And prove it.
I think the only reason Wargraymon beat Metalseadramon and Machinedramon is simply because they were Dramon, not his own strength per se. Hence why he got manhandled by Puppetmon and Piedmon, they weren't dramon.
They did defeat the Sacred Beasts before they sealed them. Piemon beat and sealed away Qinglongmon all by himself as revealed in the novelization. As for the other 3 we don't know who faced who. As for Pinocchimon, Metalgarurumon defeated him so easily because of a power-up. It is specifically stated by the novel that Yamato's killing intent and hatred increased the power of Metalgarurumon's absolute zero blast.
It wasn't a boost of power at all with Mugendramon. The novelization proves it. The only thing Homeostasis did was to allow the power of evolution that was depleted to come back to Agumon temporarily.
AP and DC wise Mugendramon is the most powerful. Infinite amount of energy that he can destroy or alter the Digital World with and his fight with Breakdramon shook the Digital World to its core in Rearise.
Could you tell me where the novelization has that statement about homeostasis and the evolution?
@@MustachePandaYT "The Numemon’s last message reached Hikari.
We’re counting on you, children… Please, don’t let our deaths be in vain…
I know that!
Hikari held back her horror and sadness, and folded her hands together.
Please. If God exists, then please give us strength.
Hikari’s body suddenly glowed. It was the light of prayer.
Huh? What…?
Bathed in that light, Koromon looked up in surprise. He felt the power of evolution that had been depleted, returning.
Taichi, evolve me! He urged his partner.
Taichi nodded. Can you do it? Then go for it!
Koromon, evolve! Agumon! Agumon, warp-evolve! WarGreymon!
The evolution that he had given up on had been granted.
Chapter 9: The Last Enemy, Part 2 Collapse of the Cities.
@@MustachePandaYT Any chance you could do a video similar to the Pokemon vs Digimon the truth vid, but with Yugioh in comparison to the others. It was just as big as them back in the day and brought up in arguments on the playground, but now when talking about the monstermania, it’s never brought up with pokemon and digimon.
My favorite dark master is piemon. Just because it took magnaangemon to help stop him💡❗😁👍 right❗❓✌
@@brandonstewart4032 It took Holy Angemon, the other 7 of the protagonists Digimon plus reinforcements to put him down.
Also worth mentioning that MetalSeadramon and Mugendramon were both oneshot by *weapons specifically made to counter them* while Puppetmon got oneshot by... MetalGarurumon when it comes to their durability.
Hey puppetmon was killed by all of them he was exhausted cause he just faught metaledimon then the digi destined he was weakened beyond imagination so basically it was just a assist kill from metalgururmon
I feel that Metalseadramon was done dirty in this video.
It is true that he seemed to be just killed unimpressely by Wargreymon, but we are overlooking two huge pieces of information.
The first one, Wargreymon was really motivated to finish him off, in a similar fasion with the digis that Mugendramon killed, MSeadramon dealt a letal blow to Whamon, giving a rageboost.
Also, and MOST IMPORTANT, Wargreymon is blantantly equiped with the Dramon Killers, he had a huge and almost unfair advantage against MSeadramon that got killed with the move that uses the Dramon Killers the most.
You’re also forgetting Whamon. He intervened, saved wargraymon, and distracted Metalseadramon long enough for the attack.
It should be noted that Metalgarurumons attack that one shot puppetmon was absolute zero (and his strongest attack). His Garuru tomahawk was able to launch Piedmon so I imagine a direct hit from his breath would’ve done some damage
And it was also powered up. Yamato's killing intent and hatred increased the power of the absolute zero.
@@theonewhoismany8072 yup, digimon get stronger when emotions are amplify which is why dark digivolution happens
Mugendramon is definitely the most popular of the Dark Masters (at least in Japan )
He got an Amplified Figure for one thing.
Love that model! Just bought it to assemble.
And Machinedramon (Mugendramon) made the most appearances of the Dark Masters too. He (along with the other Dark Masters) appeared in a flashback in Adventure 02, a Machinedramon (along with Metalseadramon) also appeared in Digimon Frontiers, once again appeared in Digimon Tri (with again Metalseadramon), and finally the latest Digimon anime (I don't know the title of that season) where it fought Wargreymon in a much better battle compared to the 01 Machinedramon battle.
Building that model as we speak haha, it's amazing
Hell yeah I just built mine and I love the guy
He’s my favorite !!
It's been a minute since I watch Digimon but The Dark Masters were probably the first group in my childhood that actually made me love villains.
I'm 28 now and I still just can't get enough of them. They're just so unique yet so mysterious in some ways I can't even explain.
Also, love the fact that each of the members have their own distinct evil personalities.
Metalseadramon is chaotic. He causes rampage and would just burn everything to the ground. The faster the kills, the better.
Pinnochimon is a sadist. He likes to take his own time to play with his victims one by one. By actually torturing them physically and emotionally.
Machinedramon is a literal unstoppable killing machine. He doesn't talk much but given the nature that he see all of this as a mission makes him the scariest of the group.
Piedmon was a psychopathic clown who loves to create performance out of others misery. He make plans and strategies to be presentable to his enemies..which makes sense why he would lead the group.
Ruthless. Corrupted. Arrogant. Evil.
Very well said my friend!
In my opinion I still think piedmon is still the strongest and powerful darkmaster out of them all. Especially if Apocalymon created him that way. The digidestined said that they needed all the digidestined and their friends together to defeat him compared to the other dark masters and you saw how he took multiple attacks and got right back up within seconds without a scratch. He took WarGreymon terror force and Metalgarurumon giga missile at the same time screaming in pain but I bet if that gate of destiny wasn't there he would of gotten right back up and continue on fighting.I also remember that piedmon had a lot more attacks compared to machinedramon.Machinedramon mostly used his giga canon while Piedmon used: trump ⚔️,a fire ring,a big ball, keychains, dodge quite a few attacks, clown trick that tour WarGreymon to shreds, a wind attack, deflected Angelmon attack and sending it back at him and probably more. Again in my opinion I still think Piedmon is the strongest out of all the dark masters.
Quoting a scene in Joe's battle episode at the beginning: (Tie must of defeated another bark master. There can't be too many of them left. We're almost home free. You think so huh well the toughest one is still out there.Piedmon worst of the worst. He's the darkest of the dark Masters)
Piemon had the advantage of seeing the other 3 DM go down. He observed the digidestined and how they fought so he was fully prepared for them.
MetalSeadramon had highest outer Defense. WarGreymon won by relying on his Dramon Killers and attacking inside. Based on tri, MetalGarurumon can just freeze him and win
Pinocchimon is rather average Mega without anything signifigant other than Marionette Strings
Mugendramon has highest Power and infinite stamina, but is not very fast or agile like other three.
Piemon is all about tricks and skill. He toyed with WarGreymon and took one hit of Dramon Killer without that much dmg. Proven to be too strong, HolyAngemon had to seal him in Heaven's Gate
The biggest weakness of Machinedramon is being too hard to animate
Each Dark Master had the power level a city individually yet all of them, Piedmon included, had a sudden drop in IQ whenever they could have won the battle: MetalSeadramon could have just burned 6 of the 8 alive while unconscious ... but he didn’t. Puppetmon could have killed TK and Matt while he had them alone ... but he didn’t. Machinedramon KNEW some of the kids were in his city but DIDN’T wreck the whole place as soon as he knew. And Piedmon? Well this King of the Dumbasses had ALL of the older kids and Digimon at his mercy turned into goddamned KEYCHAINS and hung on his belt ... but instead of killing them all he decided to play a creepy game of cat and mouse with Takeru and Hikari, giving Angemon the chance to Deus Ex Machinamon his ass
My point is all of them were pretty strong, strong enough to end the heroes many times over ... but they all lost because they were smug pr*cks playing with their food ... I swear they must have gone to the same School for Anime Villainy as Myotismon who could have killed Gatomon easily as soon as he knew who she was then Hikari with everyone else 😒😒😒
I honestly find it hard to believe that Machinedramon could be the strongest of the dark masters, and I find it even more difficult to believe that the dramon destroyers wouldn't work on Machinedramon when he is set up to be among the dramon type and we see Wargreymon specifically use the dramon destroyers to defeat Machinedramon in the series. You may be right about the stats of the dark masters, and your assessment does seem sound, but I still think Piedmon has shown himself to be the strongest dark master and their overall leader. That's my two cents.
Pierrotmon's thing isn't sheer force but trickery and a large bag of tricks to handle a plethora of situations.
Machinedramon, or rather, Mugendramon, has that name for a reason. It was the digimon with the potential (key word) of infinite (mugen) power. It wouldn't, and couldn't, stop. While it doesn't necessarily have the highest power of all digimon in the grander lore of things (usually due to 'Gimmick' abilities ala "Omega inForce" or "Alpha inForce" ala Omega/Omnimon or Alphamon; otherwise because that's an OLD profile), that could be due to a plethora of reasons. Including time to gather up power or the mentality to unleash that power. It was beaten only due to a gimmick, and it's possible said Gimmick wouldn't be an absolute win either as seen in the 2020 version, where it did serious damage, but never outright killed in a single strike.
Mugendramon's the highest in raw power of the four, hold no doubts. And being made inside out of Chrome Digizoit, if not potentially (as it's not explicitly stated) a mixture of Chrome and Black Chrome (darker parts), it's just EXTREMELY hard to damage altogether.
I want to revert this back to the 'Gimmick' Deal. Raw power doesn't win every fight. Nearly every Mega+ class digimon has gimmick abilities. Alpha inForce, Omega inForce, Mugendramon's infinite power, so on, so forth. Presuming the Lore's right, you **cannot** overwhelm a Mugendramon in raw power. Chaosdramon/Chaosdromon maybe, but its power is erratic, it cannot sustain that power just by fact, but it has an overall arsenal and spec upgrade anyhow. This is why Gimmicks exist, and in one Magazine during the time around 2020's release, they specify that many Digimon fights are won based on how these gimmicks form a sort of 'weapon triangle', or through sheer skill to overcome that difference.
why do I have to be at work when this releases. Will watch after :) Can't wait
I love Machinedramon.
Can't wait
You know I kind of wonder how the Dark Masters came into existence, you could argue they were just made by Apocalamon but that's lazy. I like to think their existence mirrors the Holy Beasts.
They are the dark antithesis of the Holy Beasts
Puppetmon
MetalSeadramon
Machinedramon
Pidemon
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I've been really enjoying your digimon video and this video i couldn't wait for because I've always liked the Dark Masters. The Dark Masters do something that a lot of people forget, they curb stomp the protagonist as a group and show why the plot has to have them be taken out individually.
But please don't tell me you plan to make a video on the time and dimension paradox that is the Millenniummon story?
😉🤫
@@MustachePandaYT I wish you luck and if you are please don't lose your mind trying to explain how a character from a game shows up and is important to the backstory of a "tv" Character then appears in a world that is considered the "REAL" world and how the future effects the past worst than the terminator and back to the future series.
I pray for you.
I totally agree on this list! In the Japan Version of Original Adventures even during the introduction of Mugendramon it is defined as the "strongest Digimon". Unfortunately it is hinted that during production of Mugendramon arc there was some tiny drama between writing/production stuff that's why Mugendramon received the worst and shortest arc in comparison to other Dark Masters. And this caused many people thought Piedmon is stronger or something. WarGreymon did beat Mugendramon by miracle thanks to the huge boost both in original adventures and 2020 otherwise it would never stand a chance, 2020 also made this clear when Mugendramon easily put WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon in their places easily... until WarGreymon gets the boost again. And Remember 2020's WarGreymon is way more powerful than the one in the original series.
actually, the dramon destroyers are effective on any dramon or Greymon (who are a dramon sub species) digimon, including mugendramon, it is oficial information, if you check oficial sources, you would know that, all the Dramon and Greymon species are descendentes of the pure dragon Dracomon
I would recommend watching my video on the Dramon Destoryers. I explain my stance on Mugendramon and the Dramon Destroyers and why in that video in a short and easy way!
@@MustachePandaYT I did watch, but your video contradict official canon, officially, according to bandai, it is "if you are a Greymon or have Dramon in your name, you are dead against a dramon killer"
@@joaocisne556 can you tell me where the Bandai statement comes from? I can't seem to find it.
@@MustachePandaYT I think he speaks of what Blackwargreymon says in Rearise to Monodramon that " these weapons work particularly well on Digimon like us" so he includes himself as well. The Greymon familly are a subspecies of the dramon species after all. Or his Digimon Pendulum profile wich says that the Dramon Killer are weapons that can easily defeat dragon-type Digimon.
And dragons aren't just those with ''dramon" in their name but any Digimon that has Dragon factor data in their Digicore.
@@MustachePandaYT The long and short of it is they're fulla it. The general lore has them have a huge advantage vs Dragon-type digimon, but we got to remember canonically there IS supposed to be a Vaccine -> Virus -> Data -> Vaccine 'Advantage' System too, so advantage isn't supposed to be the 'insta-win' button. We've seen in 2020 the Dramon Destroyers did not instantly wipe out THAT Mugendramon. In fact one was DESTROYED in the battle. The original Adventure just sold Mugendramon short.
It's funny because I used to actually have a MagnaAngemon key chain and he was the only one who wasn't turned into one on the show. 😅
Just found you today loving the content most people don't go into the history/past/ lore of this franchise.
I'd like to see Black WarGreymon take on all 4 of these guys and see how many he can take out...
It must-have been a funky translation from the dub to American cartoon but i remember MetalSeadramon's primary attack from its snout cannon was "River of Power "and Megadramamon dubbed MachineDramamon double Turrent attack was GigaCannon"
Mugendramon is my favorite digimon beacause it's a combination of my childhood obssesions a robot's and dinosaurs. In my country mugendramon was voiced by female va with russian accent
That's really cool! Mugendramon as a lady digimon huh? 🤔
Dark masters > Devas> Evil Warriors from frontiers.
The dark masters were ruthless and hilarious at the same time.
But Grottemon/Grumblemon from frontier was always entertaining on screen.
I think looking at they're supporting cast is also important, metalseadramon has an amphibian assault army that constantly hunts keeps the kids on the run on off focus.
Puppetmon army hates him and abandoned post the first chance they get. His unpredictability seems to be a better boon at times than his use of followers
Machinedramon is the best army most efficient most loyal most destructive and his tactics nearly beat the kids without him having to be around in person.
Piedmon seems to only lead the dark masters as he isn't shown to have many allies during his one against the kids and could argue that he uses stealth and deception more effectively than an army could be.
Wow, really enjoyed the vídeo thanks for it.
I know that he is objectively not the strongest but puppetmon is and will always be the best dark master in my heart.
Thank you for watching! 🙏 Puppetmon definitely had the best story imo.
I always felt like this arc was rushed, the demigod, and myotismon arcs are more memorable to me but I do wish the dark masters arc was a bit more flushed out
100% agree. They deserved better.
Agreeable. And now I know how Piedmon was in charge. Hackers always are the boss in the data world.
Could you try to make a outerversal scale for digimon?
I can certainly try!
@@MustachePandaYT god bless
Not many scalers actually try to scale it to outerversal.
BTW I'm not discounting power boosts from the kids. I am just confused as to why people side eye power boosts from heroes but act like the bad guy having an entire army and infinitely more time and resources to prepare themselves is A-ok from a honor system (admit this is what ppl do). Not to mention, half the time the bad guy has power boosts too! Not the Dark Masters per se, though I'd argue being made from the ultimate dark energy could be argued as power boosting, but certainly Myotismon and Devimon.
There are some things you missed about metalseadramon. Wargreymon’s weapons are the dramon killers meaning they are used to slay dramon type digimon like metalseadramon, also wargreymon ran through metalseadramon from the inside of his body.
Totally, the dramon destroyers helped him damage metalseadramon, but it doesn't affect wargreymons ability to outright cancel one of metalseadramons strongest attacks, that also happens to be a beam style attack.
Great video.
I personally would have said Piedmon, mainly because his evolution line is seen all throughout the series:
DemiDevimon
Devimon
Myotismon
While it can be stated Myotismon evolves to VenomMyotismon/MaloMyotismon, in the card game and in some video games, its stated Myotismon evolves to Piedmon.
Then, there's also Phantomon, but I'm going with the line I mentioned, and we all saw how powerful those were...especially Myotismon, who was hurt by an Ultimate(WereGarurumon) and Champion(Angemon)
I mean no offense, but Angewomon had to get a power-up boost to put Myotismon away.
I appreciate the respectful disagreement, and I can totally see where you're coming from!
@@MustachePandaYT Thanks.
Kudos for mentioning my favorite game as well: Digimon: Digital Card Battle.
I had all four of the Dark Masters, and in that game, Puppetmon is by far the worst of the group.
I honestly liked using MetalSeadramon because his Cross attack was multiplied by 3 against Fire-based digimon, and Machinedramon, who is completely terrifying with all three attacks.
Piedmon...he's kind of like how you mentioned in the video, and his card just has him sitting with a "oh, its just you" expression.
I never understood why the dark masters didn't fight together against the digidestined. They would have easily slaughtered the kids
Pride I guess
i actually thought you was gonna put MAchinedramon last but not for those reasons. i thought it was because he actually can evolve to Chaosdramon and ChaosdramonX
I can't go ruining future video ideas for the future now!
Intresting video 💯 I agree there's a difference between who's stronger and who'd win in a fight but also being the leader doesn't always mean being the strongest. Pidemon comes off as the smartest in addition to having exceptionally broken hax, hence he's the leader. Idk how reliable the wikias are, but I saw a statement on Machinedramon being "The digital worlds strongest digimon".
Nice video, not entierely sure about the megidramon feats (since in xross wars manga bagramon felt the need to seal them despite creating ZEED M ) but other very good, i still love how machinedramon is ''the strongest'' digimon in many dialog but now a day that tittle up for debate with digimons like jesmon GX and Examon X being around
I wouldn't pair anything from Xros with the other anime when you have things like a Demon Lord leader working under a lower rank Demon Lord or a DNA Sovereign becoming a horse to a General which is entirely contradictory to Reference Book statements
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All I want in life is a remake of Digimon World 1
My favorite Digimon video game. I'd just be happy to have a good working copy to play again
@@matthewkuscienko4616 Trust me, it is way better on an emulator, with save states for the RNG.
Mugendramon was the final boss of DW1
2:00 technically you're wrong in this situation megidramon is stronger then dukemon and we seem them fight each other in the card BT5-083 of the digimon TCG were megidramon looks to have upper hand in this battle with little to no damage to himself were as for dukemon he looks way more damage with no shield and his lanze is damage and also I forgot to mention that this fight is a 2V1 dukemon has the help of omegamon(and we see omegamon in the right claw of megidramon) this could implies that this dukemon is The Royal Knight dukemon who is stronger than the normal version we see in the tamers anime
Chaosdramon (maybe from machinedramon line) in Digimon Next is insanely strong. His red digizoid is crazy.
My favorite one is piedmon my least favorite one is puppetmon.
on the wiki source that you used if your dramon destroyers video, if you scroll down, mugendramon is listed as part of the groups: Dramon-type, Dark Masters, Crack Team
I have a question... if puppetmon is as strong as you say, how strong is metal etemon? Considering he handled puppetmon.. but then gets destroyed by zudomon, who couldn't do anything to puppetmon.. 🤷♂️
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The strongest is Puppetmone, nis House warriore bwas undefeated. The weakest is Seadramone.
I also agree machindramon is the strongest of the dark master over all power and defense. Intelligence that's kinda unknown 🤔 but he should be some what smart not dumb dumb since he an machine type.
idk, metalseadramon not only made of a stronger metal, but can actually and nimbly move accross any terrain and his river of power blast didnt seem that much weaker than giga cannons to me.
Wouldn't be amazing if myotismon's mega form was in the dark masters❗❓😁✌
That would be sweet imo!
How strong is lucemon?
All I know is that I like the dub of the Dark Masters a ton.
MetalSeadramon’s Brooklyn accent gave him a lot more character than the original. 😅
No mention on how Machindramon got "sliced like an onion"
He did but that was due to a power up provided to wargreymon by homeostasis, hence why he de-digivolved right afterwards.
Piedmont strongest
Machinedramon was the easiest amongst the dark masters to be taken out there’s no way his above piedmon
Wargreymon did not even do any of his signature attacks he only blitz’s him with his dramon killer gauntlet
Piedmon needed to be defeated by two mega and holy Angemon hack powers
And puppetmon clearly was the weakest, he only lasted the longest because the chosen children started to fight and separated
Well since machinedramon fuse with kimeramon and become a dark god able to Challenge yggdrasill.
Easy to say he is strongest
Piedmon is by far the strongest and that is not even up for debate.
Wargreymon solo’d Machindramon and Metalseadramon
Metalgarurumon solo’d Puppetmon
However, their COMBINED powers wasn’t enough to beat Piedmon. Like what is so hard to understand about this lol
I really like Piedmon
would clearly set puppetmon to 2.
He could have defeated all of the Digiknights, but because he'd rather play with them, he let them all live and gave them a chance to escape.
In addition to that, in the final fight, his hammer was destroyed.
I'm sure that weakened him.
In addition, he probably transformed his house, which also cost him strength.
He was the typical Freezar. Very strong but too childlike in character and made mistakes as a result and finally summoned his defeat.
Piedmon was clearly different in character and therefore much stronger.
What Piedmon did, Puppetmon could easily have done.
Machinedramon would never have been able to do that. He even fought together with a lot of other Digimon and made the Digi knights tired with his mass of armies. In a one vs one fight or one vs digital knight fight, he would have clearly lost.
I honestly doubt that, and I would personally rank Puppetmon as the weakest of the 4 Dark Masters, the main reason being that he fought 3 other mega level Digimon at different times in the series and did poorly against all 3 of them. MetalEtemon humiliated him, and Puppetmon was barely able to so much as scratch him; I don't think MetalEtemon was taking the fight seriously (given he literally farted in Puppetmon's face during their battle) AND was able to kill another mega in SaberLeomon. Puppetmon only had an upper hand against WarGreymon because he was able to use his puppet strings to control him, but even that didn't last too long, and need I mention that his hammer got destroyed during that fight by Garudamon, an ultimate level Digimon, who should arguably be in a clearly weaker class than Puppetmon? And when he got killed by MetalGarurumon, Puppetmon was one-shotted by him, and his puppet strings were completely ineffective against him, likely due to the rage boost he recieved (I'm not convinced that was what allowed him to kill Puppetmon, though, given the attack is supposed to be absolute zero in temperature, the rage boost only made him GO FOR that attack because he knew it'd get the job done). It's also worth mentioning that Puppetmon fled after having his hammer destroyed; granted it was his best offensive weapon, but he clearly realized that he was out of his league at this point -- I think he only tried attacking MetalGarurumon because he felt he had something to prove. That said, all 3 of the other Dark Masters each had feats shown in the anime that put them closer on par to other, stronger, mega level Digimon: Piedmon was able to take on WarGreymon one on one pretty effectively, but it's worth noting that he was mostly reliant on his hax abilities to get the upper hand and his entire strategy fell apart as soon as they figure out how to deal with those abilities. MetalSeadramon was pretty nearly able to kill WarGreymon, of whom had a clear advantage against him because of the dramon destroyers, and I'm not too sure how well the rest of their Digimon would've faired against him at the time. Machinedramon is the most powerful of the group easily, and while he was taken down in one attack, he still did enough damage to return a mega Digimon to it's in-training stage in one attack and was effortlessly overwhelming the rest of the group when they did take him on. Puppetmon was not anywhere near as threatening by comparison, and this is probably not because he's using his power for other things, or even because he likes to "play" rather than take a fight seriously -- if you take away his bullet hammer and ability to mind control someone with his strings, he's just not as powerful as the other Dark Masters, or even any of the other mega level Digimon seen in Adventure, for that matter
You didn't mention how dra mon killers gauntlets gave wargreymon mon the edge inmetalseadramon fight, should be noted since puppetmon who blocked a atk wasn't a dra mon unlike metalseadramon
Machinedramon cheated death
This feels like an uninteresting stretch mostly. Puppetmon was defeated by teamwork, he literally took a full power horn buster, had Garudamon destroy his hammer, and was forced to retreat. He was weakened physically and had his strongest weapon destroyed. Yes he was also unhinged from getting his ass handed to him, but I often feel like we mistake people being able to dodge attacks with being able to tank them. He finally took a full attack from a Mega and was destroyed. They don't seem to explain why the puppet strings don't work, but I feel its plausible that in his weakened state they weren't as strong AND MetalGarurumon had grown stronger in his time apart. Yeah the house thing was an issue for the Digidestined and Matt saved them. But you are way overplaying Puppetmon.
If it's an "uninteresting stretch" Why would you watch the video? I'm fine with you disagreeing but if you're going to be an ass about it, I'm not going to engage with your comment with a proper response, because that would be giving you a level of respect that you clearly don't have for other people.
I personally believe that the rage boost that people say MetalGarurumon got was the reason why he was able to resist the puppet strings: he was too angry to allow himself to be controlled by someone as unhinged as Puppetmon. That said, I do agree that said rage boost was not what was giving him the power to one-shot Puppetmon, but rather it made him choose to go for that attack because he knew it'd be the easiest way to kill him
MetalSeaDramon only lost because he got distracted from using his full energy on his final attack by Whamon and WarGreyMon literally was left with 1hp just like vs. Machinedramon. Nearly sacrifing himself. Puppetmon is the weakest with Machinedramon and MetalSeaDramon being a tie and Piedmon being the most powerful
My ranking is
Puppet mon
Metalseadramon
Machinedramon (I’m not counting millenniamon)
Piedmon obviously it’s not even a contest
I wouldn't say Gallantmon is Stronger than Megidramon simply because Megidramon was out of control letting the raw anger takato was giving off.
Gallantmon>Beezelmon>Megidramoan
@Ricther Belmont not sure what you're saying mate
@@AlexMartinez-gv7hy Beezelmon fairly easily and quickly beat Megidramon in a fight and was out matched by Gallantmon, suggesting Gallantmon is notably superior
But Piedmon defeated Wargreymon as well during their one-on-one Battle?
I kinda disagree with the placements...
Mostly that Metalseadramon is too low and Machinedramon too high.
Let me explain:
I think Wargreymon was stronger in his fight against Machinedramon than Mtealseadramon, but...
What killed Machinedramon was a normal claw swipe...no fancy names or powered move...a simple swipe...
Against Metalseadramon it was "brave tornado" with the dramon destroyer bonus (him overpowering that blast is impressive i admit)
On top of that If whamon didn't help Wargreymon would have being eaten, they received help against Machinedramon too but it was more of an distraction.
Given that, i think that either Machinedramon should drop or Metalseadramon should rise.
But that is just me...
Wargreymon was powered up by homeostasis, who was inhabiting Hikari at the time. That's why he went from having zero energy to being able to warp digivolve. Common misconception because the scene with homeostasis is cut out of the English version of the show.
I always saw Metalseadramon and machinedramon as equals, machinedramon might have more fire power but metalseadramon is more agile and is more mobile as he can fight on land sea or air plus he has the digizoid chrome armour to protect him that’s why Wargreymon struggled with metalseadramon and easily sliced machinedramon
I don't know what to think about their power, Puppetmon has a lot of hidden potential but his brute power is in the hammer, if he looses it he's limited, and he has been easily destroyed by a close shot; Metalseadramon -why a Data type?- has just destructive power; Piedmon seems still the strongest with his abilities, Machinedramon seem however more powerful than the others.
P.S. Okay i admit i'm not a fan of Digimon designs but I think their appearences could have been more varied, just two armored draconic and two theatre characters humanoids.
Also Seadramon line is eventually seen from the good side, i wonder if their Mega would be Metalseadramon as well
I do not think that you understand how MSeadramon was defeated. Wargreymon has the weapon called "Dramon Claws or Dramon Killer" which specifically counters digimon with a "Dramon" on its name. MSeadramon was against a bad matchup, he was destined to lose against Wargreymon due to the Dramon Claws. Against other digimon, Mseadramon might have the upper hand, but his arrogance made him lose. Most of his fights were on the land where he tried to capture digidestined multiple times but failed. He is meant to fight in water as hr boasts the fastest speed in it. But kept fighting on land cause he wanted to flex too much. He deserved to lose imo
I think you need to re-watch the fight. WGM tried to attack mseadramons chrome digizoid armor and failed.
He proceeded to outright overpower mseadramons strongest attack with his great tornado, cutting through the attack itself which was a water energy blast. WGM has no inherent advantage over the water energy produced by a dramon. The only thing the dramon destroyers do is make it easier to hurt dramon digimon.
Not only that, MSeadramon is a Data water type digimon. WGM is a vaccine fire type digimon.
Data digimon are strong against vaccine. Water against fire.
MSeadramon had 2 inherent advantages over WGM, and WGM had the possibility of doing more damage with a single shot.
MSeadramon proceeded to lose an attack vs. attack struggle where he has the overall inherent advantage, and WGM's entire goal was to close the distance through MSeadramons attack, to land a killing blow.
Please re-watch the fight, and gain an understanding of Digimon types and type advantages before you try to correct my information. Thanks.
@@MustachePandaYT you need to do research more. Wargreymon pierced thru Mseadramon because of Dramon Killer claws. Which was his only way of piercing thru. Do not mix game information telling me ultimate stream is water element, because it is not. There is no explanation what element his attack is even in the wiki. If you are referring why Wargreymon could not pierce him the first time is because he was hesitant to fight someone who was stronger. As you can see everytime they fought someone stronger, they had hard time because it is how struggle in story telling is told. If waregreymon just used his Spinning Tornado attack at the first round, Whamon would have not to die and Mseadramon would be dead instantly. Go research Wargreymons history first before you comment. He is meant to destroy dragon digimon as that is his purpose. This anime was released a long time ago and cannot be called accurate. Even devimon was portrayed to be strong despite just being a champion level because digimon would be boring if they can just one shot everyone.
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The strongest dragon warrior wearing armor crafted from the ultra-metal Chrome Digizoid, WarGreymon is the ultimate form of the Greymon species. It sports a more humanoid physique than the typical large bodies of other Greymon types, but possesses vastly improved power and speed. It may be impossible to defeat with the attacks of Ultimate-level Digimon. The Dramon Killer attached to each of WarGreymon’s arms deal massive damage to members of the Dramon-species Digimon, but also expose WarGreymon to danger, making them double-edged swords. WarGreymon can also combine the exoskeleton parts on its back to form the hardest of shields, Brave Shield. It is said that even among the most battle-hardened of veterans, it is only when one of true valor realizes its own destiny that it Digivolves into a WarGreymon. WarGreymon’s special move is the super dense, high temperature energy beam Terra Force, by which it concentrates all the energy in the atmosphere into a single point before blasting it forward. It also uses Great Tornado to join the Dramon Killer on its arms above its head to perform a spinning, high-speed charge that pierces the enemy
HERE IS A SNIPPET OF WARGREYMONS INFO BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO LAZY TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH
Read it all hopefully its not too long for you. Against a straight up fight, wargreymon has the means to one shot any dragon species that has a dramon as a suffix. Taichi was just retarded and hesistant to order wargreymon to do it. How many digimon do you think died because of their indecisiveness? Hoping for them to save the digital world. Yes they are children, but that is also the reason why they would always have a hard time because they arent psycopaths who would go all out at tthe start
Did you simply ignore what I read? Are you that ignorant with a burning need to be correct? I LITERALLY HAVE A VIDEO ON THE DRAMON DESTROYERS.
GOOD JOB you can READ THE WIKI! Now again, what did WGM DO to REACH METALSEADRAMON, A DATA TYPE WHICH IN THE SHOW MANGA LIGHT NOVELS AND GAMES HAS AN ADVANTAGE OVER VACCINE TYPES LIKE WARGREYMON? That's correct, he used great tornado and CANCELED OUT Metalseadramon's attack. Please show me ANY source that the Dramon killers, a set of MELEE WEAPONs does to allow WGM to CANCEL OUT AN ENERGY BEAM. How about we take a look at your Wiki entry, shall we? "The Dramon Killer attached to each of WarGreymon’s arms deal massive damage to members of the Dramon-species"
I don't see where it says it can stop energy blasts. Do you? No it says clearly, it allows him to do more damage to Dramon digimon. Now again, HOW DID WARGREYMON REACH MELEE RANGE TO GO THRU MSEADRAMON'S NOSE? That's right the VACCINE type completely STOPPED THE DATA TYPES attack with his own.
Also, Metal SEA dramon, Ultimate STREAM. I don't HAVE to make the connection to the games, and it's crazy how you rely on the Wiki as your end all be all, when (Guess what) Wiki's can miss info. But I'll make the connection to the games for you. 1. Ryo exists in the wonderswan games, in adventures and in tamers. 2. Cocytus is literally an area that connects every single digital world. And I mean all of them. It's the lowest layer of the dark area and exists in every. single. digital. world. This includes every game. So if you want to ignore the information blatantly laid out for us within the series, be my guest. But that just proves how disingenuous you really are.
MAY I ALSO POINT OUT that the games like Digimon world 1 came out BEFORE the anime, the game being January 28, 1999 in japan, the anime being March 7, 1999 in Japan, and the GOAL of the Anime, which was originally only supposed to run for season 1(Devimon Arc), was to PROMOTE THE GAMES TOYS AND EPETS? Meaning, If you STILL want to ignore the information provided within the games you are literally ignoring the MAIN CONTINUITY of Digimon, which originally was, and ALWAYS has been, the games.
"Against a straight up fight, wargreymon has the means to one shot any dragon species that has a dramon as a suffix"
LMAO no. If this was the case he would have one shot Blackwargreymon in 02, because they are dramon as well. "ut also expose WarGreymon to danger, making them double-edged swords" From your copy and pasted wiki article.
"Wargreymon pierced thru Mseadramon because of Dramon Killer claws"
I never said he didn't. But go off I guess. Doesn't change the fact that he was able to cancel MSeadramon's attack with his own. And again, he still doesn't have an advantage over energy beams, especially from a Data type. And if you're going to keep trying to deny type advantages may I point to Angemon and Devimon, or MagnaAngemon and Peidmon.
Also, This part: "If you are referring why Wargreymon could not pierce him the first time is because he was hesitant to fight someone who was stronger."
Proof. Tell me what light novel, or chapter in the manga this was stated, because it didn't happen in the anime.
They literally talk about him not being able to get thru Mseadramon's armor.
As a matter of fact, I'll just prove you wrong.
ruclips.net/video/xhdopzlv50k/видео.html
There is the clip. 7 seconds in. What's that say? Now after you watch that, watch the entire fight. How does WGM close the distance to land the killing blow?
Right, exactly how I said above.
Do not step to me, and try to correct me, telling me I need to "do my research" or that I "don't understand", when the only "research" you have done is read the Wiki, actively ignoring what actually happened in the series in favor of head cannon. And this? "Read it all hopefully its not too long for you." If you're going to try and insult my intellect, at least be somewhat correct. Because all this? Hard miss bud.
Lastly, I'll reiterate what I ended my last reply with. Maybe you should go re-watch the series. I recommend the Japanese version if you've never seen it.
@@MustachePandaYT @MustachePandaYT @MustachePandaYT why are you so trigerred for being wrong? posting a lengthy paragraph trying to prove something wrong gets you off i guess? is it so hard to admit you are wrong?
First of all, i assume this is not your first time watching. Metalseadramons attack is like a water hose. Now imagine spinning at top speed like a bullet thru, it does not take a genius to know who will lose. Against an object that spins in high speed, theoritically in anime at least, it always wins. Wargreymons attack is meant to pierce not just solid objects but attacks it can withstand as well.
You keep spouting nonsense about cocytus and whatnot but they do not have any connection to metalseadramon being outclassed.
You also mentioned blackwargreymon. i do not see black wargreymon as a dramon species so how can wargreymon one shot it? again you do not make any sense lol. just accept that metal seadramon is out classed due to wargreymons inherent attributes. dramon killers are meant to destroy dramon digimons. if you cannot accept that then do not reply.
its like a kid arguing why paper beats rock, but thats how the system goes. paper just beats rock even if realistically it does not make sense. in anime it does so move on triggered kid.
Asking for proof why wargreymon was hesitant? didnt you watch the whole anime? they are not psychopaths, they do not go around ordering their digimon to kill. most of the time they are forced to fight. like i said if wargreymon and taichi had a brain, they would have used the spinning move at the beginning and destroyed metalseadramon. but why didnt they? because of plot armor. they gave metalseadramon screentime to kill whamon. they basically used whamons death as motivation to show power development. which is why after whamons death, wargreymon used that spinning move. also to add, he did not use it because he was not aware he could. whamon needed to die, they needed to feel that courage in order to level up. its the premise of digimon, seeing someone die then gettin stressed about it pretty much makes them evolve. i cannot believe i have to explain it like this. this should be common sense. next time do not focus on just the battle. maybe look at the larger picture? go drink some more milk kid
oh and watch digimon remake and see how metalseadramon gets destroyed again by the spinning move. chrome digizoid does shit against dramon killers simply because the suffix "dramon" is attached. but against the fight with diaboromon in the digimon movie, it gets destroyed. why? because of the word called attributes. as long as the condition is satisfied, they are dead. since metal seadramon has the condition satisfied, he is dead again. but they cannot beat diaboromon with those, why? again because of the attributes. basic paper rock scissor concept. i do not understand why it is so hard to wrap your small head around it. you are the only person who does not accept why metalseadramon lost. even in different boards and im reddit, it is already accepted he lost due to dramon killers. you need milk kid.
Puppetmon knew voodoo so he definitely is higher than metalseadramon
Would the dark masters beat hunglongmon?
I'll have to look into that. 🤔
I believe he's almost as powerful as king drasil
Hard to say as my mans has prolly one of the most broken signature moves in Digimon so like, even if combined they could out AP him, his hax signature moves could legit be enough to wipe them all out without much issue
@@dragonmasterxyz3544 that's why I asked the dark masters were able to seal away the harmonious ones but are they able too fight there leader
How would he stack up to Apocalymon?
Dark Masters are nothing when compare them to Great Seven Demon Lord, Royal Knights and some since they are just V-Pet and Anime exclusive group
That's debatable but I agree for the most part. Except for the fact they do exist in the light novels.
It’s Zuqiaomon (Zu-Chao-Mon) not Zuqwaymon
According to neoseeker it's pronounced "Choo Chao Mon" 💀
I thought was pronounced machinedramon?
That's the English name! Mugendramon is the Japanese name!
Imagine needing to seal a puppetmon and metalseadramon away cause you couldn’t beat them 😂
i really dont get it. Puppetmon is obviously the strongest of all. Beacause he has (or can create we dont know) Puppets of the Children to mainpulate an even hurt them like voodoo puppets. And if he isnt that silly and just wantet to play he could easily win in a few seconds because of that.
Piemon and Puppetmon just lose because they like to play and feel to arrogant or to confident that they think they never could win against them.
Then it comes to megas they can kill each other depending on their advantages and disadvantages. Absorbed data and experience also has to be in count.
MetalSeadramon lost to WarGreymon because WarGreymon built to kill dragon type digimons. Which is why reason Mugendramon also lost though he had upper edge than MetalSeadramon as he has enough power to destroy War Greymon.
Another thing is. Piedmon is way stronger than it looks. The dark masters underestimated digi destined.
But rest yes…
The Dramon Destroyers may not have an effect on Mugendramon but they do have an affect on MetalSeadramon, without WarGreymon, the Digidestined wouldn't have defeated MetalSeadramon as easily as Puppetmon
While it's true that helps him damage metalseadramon it doesnt help wargreymon outright cancel his attack with one of his own.
The Dramon Killers are not a get out of jail, absolute victory device. They give him an advantage over Dragon Digimon, it doesn't make it so the fight is won by default. And he still had problems even with them dealing with Metalseadramon's armor wich is made from the same metal. The gauntlets still had to have the durability to withstand Metalseadramon's special attack head on and Wargreymon still overwhelmed said move through sheer force and momentum.
I'm not saying they're a get out of jail free card. I may be misunderstanding things, but the way I understand it is MetalSeadramon's attack would be powered by some kind of dragon power right? I doubt WarGreymon would have stopped the attack with his red ball attack, but the spinning attack with the Dramon Destroyers out ahead would tear through a dragon powered attack. The metal on metal thing is chrome digizoid, but tearing through a dragon powered attack and then tearing straight through MetalSeadramon from the inside out without the protection of the Chrome Digizoid would give a ln edge. It's like Ironman in The Avengers and the "Jarvis, have you ever heard of the story of Jonah and the Whale?" Similar situation.
@@Happy_Magician Dragon powered or not they still had to bear the full brunt of the blast and Wargreymon still had to physically have the raw power to overwhelm the blast with sheer force.
@@theonewhoismany8072 that's fine and dandy, but I still don't think that fight alone is fair to MetalSeadramon to say Puppetmon is stronger. Maybe I'm too biased because I have a decent amount of love for MetalSeadramon and absolutely none for Puppetmon
Hardlye disagree
I think mugendramon is the weakest, not strongest
Wargreymon defeat him using his claws, wasnt even a move he use
see I just want to put this out there had all the digidestined got their Digimon to whatever the last rank is where WarGreymon and metal garurumon where I'm not saying this would be a cakewalk but it would have been much easier at least 35 to 45 percent easier
Unironically calling it Mugendramon instead of Machindramon 😭
You, made a bit of a calc issue on metal seadramon. Wargreymon has a oddity advantage against him "Any Dragon" digimon is outright weak to the dramon cutters. Even Wargreymon carrier of a dragon line power is weak to his own weapon. Metal seadramon was going to be baned against as soon as "Great Tornado" slammed into him. And wargreymon's weapons are also equally the same metal type. It was the same issue as Machinedramon (Mugendramon) whom was 1 cut by wargreymon. It's likely Metalseadramon was indeed weakest though. He was quite lazy in comparison though River of power is his strongest move. Wargreymon's fire tornado is quite capable to generate repulsion against it flining the two energies away. It's prob cause the "Brave Shield" is on him as well. So he'll take small dose of damage but nothing really notable. But if River Of Power kept hitting him. Then yes...Metal Seadramon would have won out.
Metal Seadramon also delt with Wargreymon in a "emotional rage" which prob pushed him over the edge. Since It seemed Piedmon explained it quite well.
"Your not familiar with your megaforms compared to us" (They are not skilled as megas nor can maintain that form for extended periods.) The Digidestined legit lucked out.
The problem of "Any" wargreymon species is those claws. Time and time again they have been mentioned to be the counter to dragon types.
Cybersleuth even points out about the Dramon Killers. TBH...bit shocked you didn't know why he stripped metalseadramon to bits. On top of that...Metalseadramon is a "cyborg" so...his insides are still flesh to a degree. It's one of his weak points. Tanking a River Of Power...yes very plausable for him, it was a no win scenario and was just like metal garurumon 1 shotting Puppetmon.
Puppetmon can only control digimon on what seems to be "emotions" so Metal Garurumon's resistance is pretty sturdy. WOudn't be out of the normal is wargreymon could eventually do the same. Since puppetmon is also outright weak to fire formed attacks on top of that. And was emotionally distraught and getting carried away. Even Cherrymon was right on the money about how Puppetmon was foolish and coudn't make real friends cause he was always abusive and destructive. Honestly the saddest part is. Puppetmon was most likely the most redeemable of the dark masters if he wasn't so broken from being created from his "portion" of Millennium. Even Metal Etamon gave him a pretty hard arse beating. AND Zudomon was able to break and destroy Metal Etamon. This also puts Zudomon on a potential scale to Harm Puppetmon too just cause of his hammer's direct strikes is also Digichrome.
Anything with Digichrome is amped. Piedmon was just...upgraded Puppetmon anyways...cause Piedmon can do even higher up tricks. Has WAY more mobility and could beat down 2 megas and every ultimate in near moments. He seems to have allot of vantage on 1vs many fights instead of 1 on 1. cause he's very trick reliant and also a "sorcery" digimon. While Machinedramon is by that time a "Relic" digimon. That was the first "notable" mega digimon that ever came out other than Metal Etamon. It's even notable that Machinedramon is a "relative" species of the Greymon line cause most notably it directly forms from SKullgreymon & Metalgreymon. It's most likely that "Skullgreymon" is the central body form while the android digimon subparts that make him up around that core body which does put him even above typical megas. But reality is...he's slow for a mega. Not very fast in comparison to Piedmon, Wargreymon, Metalgarurumon etc. He's just a outrageously potent "tank" with enough "bang" to warrant a huge concern. But when comes to it. MetalSeadramon COULD beat him. And Piedmon outright. Cause they are faster. MetalSeadramon can fly and out move him enough. While Piedmon begiles a small frame but a HUGE strength potential along with magic and trickery.
They just don't exactly rank to eachother well ...Puppetmon "MIGHT" have some okay vantages though cause his hammer is where most of his real power lays. and his control strings which would be very ineffective against most mega digimon. He does have a chrome digizoid hammer though. So that makes him able to "attack" but not defend well. He lacks "Piedmons" capacity of evasion and trickery. He's most likely still the weakest member, And only survives by abusing others around him and manipulation.
Piedmon lost against an In-training though :)
So Salamon is the real MVP and superior to all Dark Masters for paralyzing Mugendramon with just a "kitten" howling in Digimon Tri.
Is it weird that I don’t see the dark masters being as strong as the four sacred beasts???? Don’t get me wrong as all three are megas and do show some good power or moves and abilities, there’s just something to them that just doesn’t come off as that kind of level of threat that could even defeat and trap the four sacred beasts with their own power. Kind of makes me wonder one of two things, one the dark masters were strengthened by the likes of apocalymon influence, something that I can understand as apocalymon does come off as that much of a threat and powerful, or two these aren’t necessarily the real dark masters per say, rather avatars for them in that world if we factor in different times and space, someone made a similar theory for this about the seven great demon lords, that each of the seven we see in certain games events or series is merely an avatar for the true demon lords who are far more powerful than what we originally viewed.
I was going to say piedmon legit was about to kill Wargreymon and he was toying with him
@@513hook513 while I love wargreymon and do see how powerful he is in his own right I still tilt my head at it especially when later in 02 we see azulongmon just bat away blackwargreymon and while it's debatable on which of the two wargreymon are stronger, I say they're in the same ball park. Plus piedmon is weird cause apparently the only ones that somewhat gave him an issue was andromon for a bit, don't even ask me why cause I don't get that either, and angemon then magnaangemon thanks to the attribute advantage. That and also he was starting to get pushed back by not just wargreymon and metalgarurumon but by the other ultimates that don't even have the same attribute advantage as magnaangemon.
HE ranked it just in between the group imma rank it in between all digimon Personally I think they rank above the demon lords and below the royal knights before you mention it puppet mon was severely WEAKENED by all the chosen digimon that how he died being weekend
MachineDRAmon and MetalseaDRAmon where killed by the DRAmon killers a weapon built mainly for them
And piedmon well arucadimon isn’t even canon so he never died
Metalseadramon was strong enough to defeat all the chosen children 3 times out of 4 fights in the 2 episodes he had
Now to make this quick let’s talk about Laylamon and belezamon Metalseadramon has one motivation and goal and it’s to kill the chosen children and Metalseadramon is to smart to fall for laylamons tricks
To make this fair imma bring up beelezamon’s blast mode now even with this he’s still getting deleted wanna know why cause metalseadramon is better at flying then him and has stronger fire power so does all the dark masters
Now let puppetmon go puppet mon is a god basically he can make voodoo dolls and manipulate people with ease and was strong enough to defeat a digimon dripped out in chrome digi zoid
Now barbramon and belphamon ok here before you say it puppet Mon would loose to barbramon but he wouldn’t die he would control him cause barbramon is to cocky but since it’s a 2v1 puppetmon is gonna to use he strings to control belphamon rage mode and make him kill barbramon and then make belphamon delete himself
Now machinedramon can one shot a hoard a digimon with just moving his hand and let’s not forget he is the Master at giga canon
He’s gonna kill daemon with ease I’d say 5 giga canons one claw
But with Levithmon here’s where it gets tough I’m not gonna bring millenniamon into this cause that’s just over kill but machinedramon has a win condition having a invincible soul so he can basically use his soul to take over levithmons body and make him delete himself
Now the big one Piedmon vs lucimon now Piedmon wins mainly cause We don’t know the limits to his key chain attack and his clown trick shot is one of the best attacks a digiMon can have and the trump swords can trump anything Piedmon is to fast to be hit by a paradise lost so it’s basically a one sided slaughtered
You thought we were done cause Ik people are gonna ask
Apoclomon vs ogudomon now apoclomon isn’t evil he’s a pizza guy so ogudomon can’t just kill him by looking at him and apocalomon has the MULTIVERSE ENDING ATTACK I think it’s a clear winner
Ik a lot of words
Tbh i personally see the dark masters (exception being machinedramon) and the sovereign and Apocalymon as weak, lol
Well how they’re weak while they did defeat the sovereign that even the royal knight Dukemon couldn’t defeat one of them. In fact they’re very strong
@@ma_n1118 which is ridiculous because wargreymon and metal garurumon beat them pretty quick and easy after the first time they fought them which was mostly an ambush. Personally I think the sovereign are overrated, along with the dark masters and omnimon.
*GIGA CANNON*
They are 4 Mega Level Digimons. Dark Masters together they are a formidable power. However they could not stand a chance if they had to face all the 8 Megas of the Digidestined as seen with Tri. HeracleKabuterimon, Seraphimon and Hooumon overpowered Mugendramon in a second.
Well, they were already defeated by 2 megas, 7 perfects especially holyanglemon.
Those Mugendramon are cheap copies spawned by Yggdrasil who's pulling Dark Gennais strings they dont come anywhere near the Dark Masters
idk man, 1 River of Power (ultimate stream) dedigivolved them in 1 hit but puppetmon could not
I agree, I don't think Puppetmon is as strong as any of the other dark masters overall. Just consider when he fought against MetalEtemon: they may have only battled briefly, but Puppetmon was unable to do much to MetalEtemon, of whom was able to take on and defeat another mega level Digimon in SaberLeomon (even if his strength largely comes from having an extremely high defense stat). Point is, Puppetmon was the only one of the dark masters to not be shown to be able to fight another mega level in the show on equal footing without resorting to trickery of some sort, and was forced to run away when his hammer got destroyed by Garudamon's talons (being the only mega Digimon to run away from a fight as I recall).Piedmon, by comparison, while also primarily relying on hax abilities, was at least able to fight WarGreymon and deal some pretty good damage to him, while Puppetmon was not shown to be comparably strong to my knowledge
@@matthewkuscienko4616 there was a theory saying that Pinnochimon was a victim himself of the other three. The character displayed child-like behaviors throughout the franchise. Even saw all of his crimes as games. It was just his darker persona that took dominance. Which makes sense why he felt lonely.
I think the reason why he's with them was because of his manipulative abilities. His Bullet Hammer attacks also depowered all of the digidestined in one blow. While also played as a comic relief at certain point, he was still a huge threat to Digidestined that needed to be stopped.
@@adamazri928 I'm not denying that he was a threat; being one of the dark masters alone puts him on a higher level than most any other Digimon they had fought up until that point. All I was saying was that I believe he's weaker when compared to the other 3 dark masters overall, mostly because he didn't seem to be on par with the power level of any other mega level Digimon shown in the series (at least no where near as consistently as any other, save for arguably SaberLeomon, but that had more to do with him being unable to deal any meaningful damage to MetalEtemon, which can also be said for Puppetmon, too). Being able to depower the other Digimon in a single attack is hardly that noteworthy when you recall that it was only versus ultimate level Digimon at best (if memory serves), which is honestly not too impressive when you remember that save for a few outliers, mega Digimon are oftentimes considerably stronger than an average ultimate level
But metalseadramon died the same way. When all the numemon died wargreymon gets a boost. When whamon died wargreymon get a boost again.
It was no boost neither with Mugendramon nor with Metalseadramon. Metalgarurumon was the one receiving a powerup from Yamato's hatred wich increased the power of his absolute zero.
Wargreymon didn't get a boost due to the numemon, it was die to homeostasis who was invading Hikari at the time. This is cut from the English version of the show. And metalseadramin used his strongest attack, and it was overpowered by wargreymon. The same did not happen with puppetmon.
@@MustachePandaYT It wasn't a boost at all. Homeostasis only made it so the power of evolution that depleted came back to Agumon temporarily.
@@theonewhoismany8072 that or puppetmons tricks doesn't work on cyborgs.
only ultimate level. Data squad digimon destroy them easily they're mega lvl in data squad
The Dark Masters are a mega level digimon and they are too powerful they were defeated and sealed the Holy Beasts who are transcends the digital world itself.
@@ma_n1118 so who are stronger royal knights or dark masters
Your claims regarding the Dramon Destroyers are categorically false. Using your own headcanon to make conclusions.
I've literally made an entire video on it with evidence so how about instead of saying it's false like you know something you present an actual argument. Get over yourself. And prove it.
Come back with an actual argument or stay out of my comments.
I think the only reason Wargraymon beat Metalseadramon and Machinedramon is simply because they were Dramon, not his own strength per se. Hence why he got manhandled by Puppetmon and Piedmon, they weren't dramon.
This might be the worst most biased take I've seen lol
Nice argument. 💀
@@MustachePandaYT what you want a dissertation why ur wrong in a comment section lmao be fr. cringe asf