Hi everyone, this is the first video on our channel that we recorded together (it's also the first experience of a speaking video for Andre and the first experience of speaking in English for Julia) - so it wasn't easy, but we're glad we did it and hope you find the video useful! Thank you so much for your support, likes, subscriptions and comments - this is just the beginning of our exciting RUclips journey! p.s. there are subtitles in this video, which you can translate into your native language in the settings. Enjoy watching!
Normal people in The Netherlands do not spend 500-1000 euro's a day on spa visits. You are only looking at rich people over here and saying that they are the country. There are lots of people Who have barely have any money and can't go on holidays. But yes it is more easy to live a comfortabel live over here. But still. If you earn €1800 in total and you have to spend €1000 on rent, €180 for health insurance, €75 for mobile Phone, internet and tv, €30 for other insurance and €150 for your car. You have around €350 left. Food got expensive €50 a week. So €150 a month left. Now you got a problem, because you have to go to the dentist wich is not included in health care insurance and at the same time your fridge broke down. The dentist bill €600 and the fridge €400. Do you see where i am going? This is how 30/40% of people live.
No, I'm not looking at rich people, I'm looking at the specific example of our family in the Netherlands, and we have very very modest incomes. If you earn 1800 euros a month - that just means you don't work full time, because that's even lower than the minimum wage in the country. So in that case you can either work more days per month or indeed, rent cheaper accommodation. Also, if you earn 1800 euros you probably qualify for subsidies (health insurance etc). This is just my opinion from the outside, but what we choose is to work more days a week - a very simple and elegant solution.
@@S.M.Art_Living go to Rotterdam and tell people that they just need to work more. I don't think they will like you, except for the rich hipsters that wear columbia clothing. And look for cheaper rent? We got a housing crisis... And i'm not talking about myself. I got a good life, cheap rent and go on holiday every year. But not everyone is Lucky over here.
I spend max 100 euro's in a spa. Not everybody is rich in the Netherlands. I don't say I'm poor and I feel very rich and blessed living here, but I could't afford 500 euro's for a day in the spa.
We usually spend between 50 and 200 euros a day at the spa (depending on whether I go alone or with André or if we rent a car and go to a very distant spa). In video I said that I saw some comments from Dutch people who spend there 500-1000, but of course I realize that not all people spend such amounts of money. Having even 50-100 euros for a trip to the spa or other relaxation is already a luxury, inaccessible to many in Portugal.
We're happy here because Germany is our neighbour and our politicians don't steal and our public services are not rotten to the core like they are in Portugal.
Good luck to you two building your lives here with us. You'll get there given your attitude. I actually admire the way the two of you embrace this adventure. Again good luck and welcome to the Netherlands.
I'm from the Netherlands and I think it's great that you've made that move, I would really recommend for you guys to learn Dutch although people speak a very high level English it's a different experience all together to speak the native tongue. All the best un saludos.
Portugal ranks 43 out of 200 countries in GDP per capita, so its even on the top 50, if we divide by 4 groups, Portugal is on the one along with all the ritchests countries and then there are 3 groups below..so this video comes out of a point of view not very educated... but i can agree that yes because neighbor countries are some of the richest in the world, compared to them Portugal is not so rich by some margin to some, and if you see the entire video you can see they are very superficial in the way they present their opinions, although I can understand them, because their backgroud, and that sums it all up , I hope they find what they are loooking for... its not only working that you make money, its one of the paths but with good education it is more garanteed probablistically, and there are very rich people in any country, but generally they suck up more from people with less education, so education is a way to more distribute it, not just that but a main factors. Other is laws and systems put in place but that to derives from a long path of education systems and some freedom, remeber Portugal came from an dictatorial regime the biguest in the world in terms of time, so it is still reabilitating from that, because mentality was curved so much and still generation from then are alive, it takes time, prosperity does not come from just a decade it roots much more in time... Even History wise Portugal maybe 500 years ago was the richest country in the world, but history is not stactic and so today the landscape is diferent... reading is allways a benefit I should say!!
Hi! Julia here! Thanks for your comment - it helps to boost our RUclips video! I see that you are labelling us as uneducated people and rather than argue with you, I want to ask you - can you allow other opinions (that may be different from yours) to exist? Do you think we can express our opinions on our own channel?
lifestyle creep works very fast. When you start earning normal dutch salaries you're gonna adapt your spendings and your lifestyle in a few months. Most people don't own cars and houses. Those people are in the minority and you seem to have a skewed view of the population.
I agree with the statement about the holidays, most people I know find it normal to go abroad on holidays at least twice a year. But I have never heard of people spending 500 euros a day in a spa. That is really extreme
FINALLY! Thank you for your comment! (Julia is speaking :) André was so shocked that some people wrote that the average salary in Portugal is 2000 euros and that life there is great, so your comment just helped save him from a mental breakdown! 😂😂😂 I would never wish anyone to experience the pain and misery that people experience in Portugal. The minimum salary is 800 euros, and the cost of an apartment starts from 700 euros per month and locals are being pushed out by tourists and rich expats who come for the good weather, and the government turns a blind eye to this. It is very painful and sad, because Portugal is such a beautiful country!
@S.M.Art_Living after living in Portugal for almost 30 years and working multiple jobs, I came to NL 3 years ago. Wish that I had come sooner. Portugal is a beautiful country, but corrupt politicians cripple economic dignity for working people.
thank you! André also always says that he would like to leave Portugal earlier.... your comments are very valuable, because many people see Portugal only as an attractive and cheap country for tourism, but do not know what is behind it
This is really misleading, since there are tenthousands of families who can barely pay all the bills. The salary is higer, but the costs are also extremely hig. For rent in Amsterdam you easily have to pay 2000 euros for a family house. So most famlies cant build up that much money to go on holidays more than 1 time a year. I dont know which people you spoke, but nobody spent 1000 euros on a spa. Only really rich people do that and even just a small percentage of those rich people. Its ridiculous to say that this is an indicator of wealth in the Netherlands! Alot of people have major debts and live a nice live from the outdise but are struggling to keep up with the bills every month. People on the street are mostly just neutral. Not everyone is smiling all the time when they walk outdoors. In Amsterdam and all the big cities nobody is waving to everyone. How did you came up with this nonsense? Yes the builodings and infrastructue are well made. Thats is a real sign of a rich country!
I don’t agree. There is lots of money in The Netherlands, you can see it at the amount of holidays people take abroad, the cars and caravans they own, the small amount of hours they prefer to work, how much they give their children, like electric bicycles, mobile phones with subscription, iPads, and how much they themselves spend. Of course there are poor people and of course there are people with less money, but they get subsidies for rent, energy, health insurance, daycare etc. In every item you see (TV, radio, internet, paper) about poor people or people on social benefits, they never ever say how much they get from subsidies, only that their social benefit is (too) low and they can’t afford this or that. And they hardly ever say that the debts they are in, are their own fault, made by bad choices and never because the social benefit and subsidies are too low. I’ve been poor, on a very low salary, and I made it on my own, without subsidy and more important, without spending for unnecessary items. I still don’t buy goods and items because they are new, I only replace items if they’re broken and can’t be fixed. I hardly buy new clothes because it is in fashion, I only buy it when I really need it. And I don’t have animals, these cost a fortune, although I like them a lot. I never had the money for it and now that I do, I still don’t take animals, because I always take in account that my fortune may be over in a second. At this moment I save €1.000 a month and use another €1.000 to extra repay my mortgage to lower the mortgage sum, on top of my regular mortgage payments. Plan your life more, live frugal or don’t spend unnecessary money and you will get a longway.
But where did this idea that Portugal is a poor country come from?? Sure, it's not as wealthy as other western european countries, but poor? No. That's an exageration. It's a very eurocentric way of looking at the world.
This idea came from 50 years of experience living in Portugal (summarised by my husband's experience and mine). Portugal is a beautiful country and if it had a normal economy and good job opportunities - we would never leave it! It's ok that you have a different opinion and don't agree with ours. I respect your opinion, but do you respect ours?
@@S.M.Art_Living yes i respect and understand it , even want you to achieve the best possible life, hey I am Portuguese so all the best, i had even an uncle that 60 years ago imigrated to the netherlands , after some years he purchased an apartment in Algarve where my mother is from and he lived ok, although he died early, his children live in the netheland still...BUT you have an opinion witch is attached to the your knowledge not equal to world facts, it means its skewed beacuse only rooted in your view BUT passing not a positive ideia nor a trustfull one of the country of Portugal, you can diferenciate your experience small spectrum from wider spectrum can you!? Inmigrant all countries have, poor people or unployed all countries have from high GDP ones to low, so think about it, you even enter in contradiciton in your own arguments in the video if you say you go to a cafe there 5 times more expensive than the same in portugal , so people there have to make 5 times more money to have the same as a portuguese, can you understand what were you saying...the way people dress in not straitforward to know if a country is rich , can be a factor but not entirelly, i visited Japan one of the richer countries in the world but they normally dont dress fancy, because their culture is not like that, can you understand!?? opinions dont change facts is what is the undelying statement.
To be honest, we didn't choose the Netherlands, it was the Netherlands that chose us 😅 André couldn't find a job in his field in Portugal for many years, and after we met and got married, we decided that he should try to find a job in his field in any other country (remotely or not). And the first company that made him an offer in graphic design was a company from the Netherlands and we immediately moved without thinking. That was it. And then we just realised that this country is perfect for us and that there are a lot of opportunities for us here (especially in terms of art teaching for André) and even though André is not working for that company anymore, we still stayed here and we love it❤
3-4Euros/cafe in Holland is a ripped-off. Dutch people are not happier than Portuguese at all. A normal dutch normal brings his own sandwich from home and eats at lunch time while a normal portuguese often has lunch "prato do dia" in the restaurant. 100% agree that dutch salary is 3x higher than portuguese one. However let's compare a normal Dutch with 6k salary and the normal portuguese with 2k salary. If the two guys live in the same lifestyle in Portugal, going to cafe 3 times per day, have lunch in the restautant,....the dutch guy will suffer by the end of the month, simply with 6k it it's tough to have a portuguese lifestyle in Netherland. However, if both guys play the saving games, no restaurant, no cars, only use bike or public transport to go to work, no cafes,....at the end of the month after paying rent the dutch guy can save 2.5-3k in his bank account while the portuguses guy only can have maximum 1-1.2k in his bank account. So it really depends on people's lifestyle. If someone is a diehard money saver, go for Netherland. If one prefers immediate enjoyable and laidback life, go for Portugal. It's good to have both countries as we all need options in our life.
Hi, Julia from SmartLiving is here! Thank you for such an interesting comment! I totally agree that living in Portugal and living in the Netherlands are 2 totally different lifestyles, and it's great to have them and be able to choose. If someone wants to eat in restaurants every day, they should go to Portugal, Spain or Italy or Asian countries, but not the Netherlands. I don't think the Dutch eat a cheese sandwich for lunch because they don't have money - it's just that for them the world doesn't spin around food (as it often does in southern or Asian countries). The fact that all Portuguese eat in a restaurant for lunch is a myth, and as someone who worked for many years in Portuguese companies I can say that eating in restaurants for lunch is only available to top managers or people who hate or don't want to cook. All other people (including myself and my husband) have always brought Tupperware (a popular Portuguese word for lunch box) and that's fine. I am planning to make a separate video about taxes in the Netherlands and in Portugal (I am an entrepreneur and I am closely involved with tax calculations) but I can absolutely not agree with your calculations as there is no "average Portuguese with a salary of 2,000 euros" and there is absolutely no way a person can save 1,500 euros a month in Portugal. Unfortunately.
@@S.M.Art_Living i've never mention about saving 1.5k out of 2k salary in Portugal. I said saving 1-1.2k out of 2k. Why did I say that 2k is average salary in Portugal? Simple, let's look at gpd per capita, it is listed now 29k usd/ year/person. Hence the average salary in Portugal can be estimated around 2k euros. I am sure that the Dutch who can afford the restaurants do not bring their own food to have lunch. They are actually working their a$$ off in Netherland to get the pension. Once they get the pension, the first day they do is to exit their own so-called "rich" motherland and relocate to the so-called "poor countries" like Portugal Spain Italy Thailand Fillipines Vietnam..... One more thing for sure: the rich do not go to the rich country to enjoy their life. 100% sure that the rich Germans or rich American will never go to Netherland to enjoy for their life. Travel to Netherland for few days/ year is absolutely perfect. But for the rich, to live more than 6 months/year in Netherland is the big HELL NO!
@@S.M.Art_Living And believe me, there are only some Dutch people that can save 1500,= a month. The most Dutch people save a little, and there are also people that lives from paycheck to paycheck. Only when the man and wife are working whole month, they have a good life. And yes the Dutch people earning 3 x more than Portugal people, but that is why the everything is also 3 x more expences, because they have to pay the people a higher salary. But welcome in the Netherlands.
@@helenooft9664 It is very interesting that you mentioned, "Only when the man and wife work the whole month, they have a good life"-because in all the other countries where I lived during my life, it was not an option; it was a must. I don't know if Dutch people realise what privilege they have in not being able to work a full week/month.
I like spa! I don't spend 1000 euro a day! Thats the cost of my complete vacation 🎉😂 In the Netherlands you have ritch and poor people. Amsterdam (west) people have more money then in the north east. Btw i liked your video. I like the nature and rest in Portugal.. Netherlands is bussy/full lots of taxes and rules
Hi, thank you for your comment! We usually spend between 50 and 200 euros a day at the spa (depending on whether I go alone or with André or if we rent a car and go to a very distant spa). Of course not everyone spends 500-1000 euros a day at the spa, but I know many can afford it. I go to the spa on swimming costume day and I see a lot of middle aged people there on a working day. That in itself is a luxury on a working day not to work but to go to the spa :)
1. . . . na 2 jaar mag je hier wel Nederlands spreken . . . 2. NL is geen rijk land maar heeft alleen een aantal rijke mensen . . . en heeeel veel arme mensen. 3. Portugal is GEEN arm land als je cultuur en familie als belangrijk ziet! oh . . en wees trots op je eigen land en geloof echt dat 'rijkdom' niet tastbaar is !!!!
I cant save money here in NL i make around 3700 euro every month and but last year my house. I am divorced in only me and my dog live together. Includid my car i need every single euro every month. This country is way to expensive.
Hi! Thanks for your comment! Of course I understand your situation and there is no doubt that it is true. But can you admit even a tiny possibility that the fact that you cannot save money is a consequence of your lifestyle and not the fact that you live in the Netherlands. Why I ask this - because we have almost the same budget for 2 people and 1 dog and although we live modestly, we manage to save money in the Netherlands.
@@S.M.Art_Living if you take lifestyle as a key component of the equation, then there is nothing to blame Portugal's low salary. Because the immigrants from Brazil CaboVerde Angola Mozambique can live well with 1000Euros/month for a family of three. Now you are in Netherland and you are an immigrant of Netherland. To compare betwee your living lifestyle and an original Dutch's one is just like to compare the portuguese and the brazil/angola/mozambique. If you take lifestyle to be an important thing, then you and your husband (with experience of 50 years in Portugal) can adjust the lifestyle to the brazilien or angola's one. Of course, i understand Netherland is better for jobs. But what you are talking about lifestyle is just ridiculous. You are immigrant in Netherland and you are saying to the native Dutch to change his/her lifestyle to yours. Apples need to be compared with apples, not taking apples to compare with oranges. All immigrants (not expats - expats are not immigrants because they only come into the country to spend money, not to find jobs) always have lower standard of living in any country in the world.
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Hi everyone, this is the first video on our channel that we recorded together (it's also the first experience of a speaking video for Andre and the first experience of speaking in English for Julia) - so it wasn't easy, but we're glad we did it and hope you find the video useful! Thank you so much for your support, likes, subscriptions and comments - this is just the beginning of our exciting RUclips journey! p.s. there are subtitles in this video, which you can translate into your native language in the settings. Enjoy watching!
Normal people in The Netherlands do not spend 500-1000 euro's a day on spa visits. You are only looking at rich people over here and saying that they are the country. There are lots of people Who have barely have any money and can't go on holidays.
But yes it is more easy to live a comfortabel live over here.
But still. If you earn €1800 in total and you have to spend €1000 on rent, €180 for health insurance, €75 for mobile Phone, internet and tv, €30 for other insurance and €150 for your car. You have around €350 left. Food got expensive €50 a week. So €150 a month left. Now you got a problem, because you have to go to the dentist wich is not included in health care insurance and at the same time your fridge broke down. The dentist bill €600 and the fridge €400.
Do you see where i am going?
This is how 30/40% of people live.
1. €1800 a month is very little
2. Share the rent 😅
Not everyone or place is capable of sharing rent. And even if you can, you still need to find someone to share it with. @@xhuljocullhaj2561
@@xhuljocullhaj2561 sorry, but this is a stupid awnser
No, I'm not looking at rich people, I'm looking at the specific example of our family in the Netherlands, and we have very very modest incomes. If you earn 1800 euros a month - that just means you don't work full time, because that's even lower than the minimum wage in the country. So in that case you can either work more days per month or indeed, rent cheaper accommodation. Also, if you earn 1800 euros you probably qualify for subsidies (health insurance etc). This is just my opinion from the outside, but what we choose is to work more days a week - a very simple and elegant solution.
@@S.M.Art_Living go to Rotterdam and tell people that they just need to work more. I don't think they will like you, except for the rich hipsters that wear columbia clothing.
And look for cheaper rent? We got a housing crisis...
And i'm not talking about myself. I got a good life, cheap rent and go on holiday every year. But not everyone is Lucky over here.
I spend max 100 euro's in a spa. Not everybody is rich in the Netherlands. I don't say I'm poor and I feel very rich and blessed living here, but I could't afford 500 euro's for a day in the spa.
We usually spend between 50 and 200 euros a day at the spa (depending on whether I go alone or with André or if we rent a car and go to a very distant spa). In video I said that I saw some comments from Dutch people who spend there 500-1000, but of course I realize that not all people spend such amounts of money. Having even 50-100 euros for a trip to the spa or other relaxation is already a luxury, inaccessible to many in Portugal.
Nobody spends 1000 eur in one day in a spa haha. But life is good here, although the weather is terrible and its a pretty lonely country
We're happy here because Germany is our neighbour and our politicians don't steal and our public services are not rotten to the core like they are in Portugal.
Good luck to you two building your lives here with us. You'll get there given your attitude. I actually admire the way the two of you embrace this adventure.
Again good luck and welcome to the Netherlands.
I'm from the Netherlands and I think it's great that you've made that move, I would really recommend for you guys to learn Dutch although people speak a very high level English it's a different experience all together to speak the native tongue. All the best un saludos.
Thank you for your support! We are already learning Dutch and in the future I will make a video about it :)
Portugal ranks 43 out of 200 countries in GDP per capita, so its even on the top 50, if we divide by 4 groups, Portugal is on the one along with all the ritchests countries and then there are 3 groups below..so this video comes out of a point of view not very educated... but i can agree that yes because neighbor countries are some of the richest in the world, compared to them Portugal is not so rich by some margin to some, and if you see the entire video you can see they are very superficial in the way they present their opinions, although I can understand them, because their backgroud, and that sums it all up , I hope they find what they are loooking for... its not only working that you make money, its one of the paths but with good education it is more garanteed probablistically, and there are very rich people in any country, but generally they suck up more from people with less education, so education is a way to more distribute it, not just that but a main factors. Other is laws and systems put in place but that to derives from a long path of education systems and some freedom, remeber Portugal came from an dictatorial regime the biguest in the world in terms of time, so it is still reabilitating from that, because mentality was curved so much and still generation from then are alive, it takes time, prosperity does not come from just a decade it roots much more in time... Even History wise Portugal maybe 500 years ago was the richest country in the world, but history is not stactic and so today the landscape is diferent... reading is allways a benefit I should say!!
Hi! Julia here! Thanks for your comment - it helps to boost our RUclips video! I see that you are labelling us as uneducated people and rather than argue with you, I want to ask you - can you allow other opinions (that may be different from yours) to exist? Do you think we can express our opinions on our own channel?
@@S.M.Art_Living but opinios is one thing , facts are another sorry...can you understand...
Calma, por favor! I will not argue with you. If you don't like our video and channel - you can always leave it (it's completely free)
@@Hdio99estivesses muito bem, opiniões são uma coisa, factos outra
lifestyle creep works very fast. When you start earning normal dutch salaries you're gonna adapt your spendings and your lifestyle in a few months. Most people don't own cars and houses. Those people are in the minority and you seem to have a skewed view of the population.
It sounds like you're describing some kind of negative scenario. Do you think there are alternative, more positive, scenarios in the Netherlands?
I agree with the statement about the holidays, most people I know find it normal to go abroad on holidays at least twice a year. But I have never heard of people spending 500 euros a day in a spa. That is really extreme
Portugal is great for visiting but for normal working people it's like being in survival mode 24/7
FINALLY! Thank you for your comment! (Julia is speaking :) André was so shocked that some people wrote that the average salary in Portugal is 2000 euros and that life there is great, so your comment just helped save him from a mental breakdown! 😂😂😂 I would never wish anyone to experience the pain and misery that people experience in Portugal. The minimum salary is 800 euros, and the cost of an apartment starts from 700 euros per month and locals are being pushed out by tourists and rich expats who come for the good weather, and the government turns a blind eye to this. It is very painful and sad, because Portugal is such a beautiful country!
@S.M.Art_Living after living in Portugal for almost 30 years and working multiple jobs, I came to NL 3 years ago. Wish that I had come sooner. Portugal is a beautiful country, but corrupt politicians cripple economic dignity for working people.
thank you! André also always says that he would like to leave Portugal earlier.... your comments are very valuable, because many people see Portugal only as an attractive and cheap country for tourism, but do not know what is behind it
This is really misleading, since there are tenthousands of families who can barely pay all the bills. The salary is higer, but the costs are also extremely hig. For rent in Amsterdam you easily have to pay 2000 euros for a family house. So most famlies cant build up that much money to go on holidays more than 1 time a year. I dont know which people you spoke, but nobody spent 1000 euros on a spa. Only really rich people do that and even just a small percentage of those rich people. Its ridiculous to say that this is an indicator of wealth in the Netherlands! Alot of people have major debts and live a nice live from the outdise but are struggling to keep up with the bills every month. People on the street are mostly just neutral. Not everyone is smiling all the time when they walk outdoors. In Amsterdam and all the big cities nobody is waving to everyone. How did you came up with this nonsense? Yes the builodings and infrastructue are well made. Thats is a real sign of a rich country!
Hi there! Julia here, nice to meet you! Thank you for commenting our "nonsense" video!
I don’t agree. There is lots of money in The Netherlands, you can see it at the amount of holidays people take abroad, the cars and caravans they own, the small amount of hours they prefer to work, how much they give their children, like electric bicycles, mobile phones with subscription, iPads, and how much they themselves spend. Of course there are poor people and of course there are people with less money, but they get subsidies for rent, energy, health insurance, daycare etc. In every item you see (TV, radio, internet, paper) about poor people or people on social benefits, they never ever say how much they get from subsidies, only that their social benefit is (too) low and they can’t afford this or that. And they hardly ever say that the debts they are in, are their own fault, made by bad choices and never because the social benefit and subsidies are too low. I’ve been poor, on a very low salary, and I made it on my own, without subsidy and more important, without spending for unnecessary items. I still don’t buy goods and items because they are new, I only replace items if they’re broken and can’t be fixed. I hardly buy new clothes because it is in fashion, I only buy it when I really need it. And I don’t have animals, these cost a fortune, although I like them a lot. I never had the money for it and now that I do, I still don’t take animals, because I always take in account that my fortune may be over in a second. At this moment I save €1.000 a month and use another €1.000 to extra repay my mortgage to lower the mortgage sum, on top of my regular mortgage payments. Plan your life more, live frugal or don’t spend unnecessary money and you will get a longway.
Normal SPA costs with eating and massage is not 1000 euro.... 150 euro perhaps.
But where did this idea that Portugal is a poor country come from?? Sure, it's not as wealthy as other western european countries, but poor? No. That's an exageration. It's a very eurocentric way of looking at the world.
This idea came from 50 years of experience living in Portugal (summarised by my husband's experience and mine). Portugal is a beautiful country and if it had a normal economy and good job opportunities - we would never leave it! It's ok that you have a different opinion and don't agree with ours. I respect your opinion, but do you respect ours?
@@S.M.Art_Living yes i respect and understand it , even want you to achieve the best possible life, hey I am Portuguese so all the best, i had even an uncle that 60 years ago imigrated to the netherlands , after some years he purchased an apartment in Algarve where my mother is from and he lived ok, although he died early, his children live in the netheland still...BUT you have an opinion witch is attached to the your knowledge not equal to world facts, it means its skewed beacuse only rooted in your view BUT passing not a positive ideia nor a trustfull one of the country of Portugal, you can diferenciate your experience small spectrum from wider spectrum can you!?
Inmigrant all countries have, poor people or unployed all countries have from high GDP ones to low, so think about it, you even enter in contradiciton in your own arguments in the video if you say you go to a cafe there 5 times more expensive than the same in portugal , so people there have to make 5 times more money to have the same as a portuguese, can you understand what were you saying...the way people dress in not straitforward to know if a country is rich , can be a factor but not entirelly, i visited Japan one of the richer countries in the world but they normally dont dress fancy, because their culture is not like that, can you understand!?? opinions dont change facts is what is the undelying statement.
We live in Europe and YES it is our center for EVER.
Why is Portugal not so rich as NL ?
We both were big colonial powers
May I ask why you guys picked the Netheralnds as the country to relocate?
To be honest, we didn't choose the Netherlands, it was the Netherlands that chose us 😅 André couldn't find a job in his field in Portugal for many years, and after we met and got married, we decided that he should try to find a job in his field in any other country (remotely or not). And the first company that made him an offer in graphic design was a company from the Netherlands and we immediately moved without thinking. That was it. And then we just realised that this country is perfect for us and that there are a lot of opportunities for us here (especially in terms of art teaching for André) and even though André is not working for that company anymore, we still stayed here and we love it❤
@@S.M.Art_Living while there is a shortage in the workforce, take advantage of that try to work yourself up.
3-4Euros/cafe in Holland is a ripped-off. Dutch people are not happier than Portuguese at all. A normal dutch normal brings his own sandwich from home and eats at lunch time while a normal portuguese often has lunch "prato do dia" in the restaurant. 100% agree that dutch salary is 3x higher than portuguese one. However let's compare a normal Dutch with 6k salary and the normal portuguese with 2k salary. If the two guys live in the same lifestyle in Portugal, going to cafe 3 times per day, have lunch in the restautant,....the dutch guy will suffer by the end of the month, simply with 6k it it's tough to have a portuguese lifestyle in Netherland. However, if both guys play the saving games, no restaurant, no cars, only use bike or public transport to go to work, no cafes,....at the end of the month after paying rent the dutch guy can save 2.5-3k in his bank account while the portuguses guy only can have maximum 1-1.2k in his bank account. So it really depends on people's lifestyle. If someone is a diehard money saver, go for Netherland. If one prefers immediate enjoyable and laidback life, go for Portugal. It's good to have both countries as we all need options in our life.
Hi, Julia from SmartLiving is here! Thank you for such an interesting comment! I totally agree that living in Portugal and living in the Netherlands are 2 totally different lifestyles, and it's great to have them and be able to choose. If someone wants to eat in restaurants every day, they should go to Portugal, Spain or Italy or Asian countries, but not the Netherlands. I don't think the Dutch eat a cheese sandwich for lunch because they don't have money - it's just that for them the world doesn't spin around food (as it often does in southern or Asian countries). The fact that all Portuguese eat in a restaurant for lunch is a myth, and as someone who worked for many years in Portuguese companies I can say that eating in restaurants for lunch is only available to top managers or people who hate or don't want to cook. All other people (including myself and my husband) have always brought Tupperware (a popular Portuguese word for lunch box) and that's fine. I am planning to make a separate video about taxes in the Netherlands and in Portugal (I am an entrepreneur and I am closely involved with tax calculations) but I can absolutely not agree with your calculations as there is no "average Portuguese with a salary of 2,000 euros" and there is absolutely no way a person can save 1,500 euros a month in Portugal. Unfortunately.
As a Bulgarian, I agree!
@@S.M.Art_Living i've never mention about saving 1.5k out of 2k salary in Portugal. I said saving 1-1.2k out of 2k. Why did I say that 2k is average salary in Portugal? Simple, let's look at gpd per capita, it is listed now 29k usd/ year/person. Hence the average salary in Portugal can be estimated around 2k euros.
I am sure that the Dutch who can afford the restaurants do not bring their own food to have lunch. They are actually working their a$$ off in Netherland to get the pension. Once they get the pension, the first day they do is to exit their own so-called "rich" motherland and relocate to the so-called "poor countries" like Portugal Spain Italy Thailand Fillipines Vietnam.....
One more thing for sure: the rich do not go to the rich country to enjoy their life. 100% sure that the rich Germans or rich American will never go to Netherland to enjoy for their life. Travel to Netherland for few days/ year is absolutely perfect. But for the rich, to live more than 6 months/year in Netherland is the big HELL NO!
@@S.M.Art_Living And believe me, there are only some Dutch people that can save 1500,= a month. The most Dutch people save a little, and there are also people that lives from paycheck to paycheck. Only when the man and wife are working whole month, they have a good life.
And yes the Dutch people earning 3 x more than Portugal people, but that is why the everything is also 3 x more expences, because they have to pay the people a higher salary. But welcome in the Netherlands.
@@helenooft9664 It is very interesting that you mentioned, "Only when the man and wife work the whole month, they have a good life"-because in all the other countries where I lived during my life, it was not an option; it was a must. I don't know if Dutch people realise what privilege they have in not being able to work a full week/month.
I like spa! I don't spend 1000 euro a day!
Thats the cost of my complete vacation 🎉😂
In the Netherlands you have ritch and poor people.
Amsterdam (west) people have more money then in the north east.
Btw i liked your video.
I like the nature and rest in Portugal..
Netherlands is bussy/full lots of taxes and rules
Hi, thank you for your comment! We usually spend between 50 and 200 euros a day at the spa (depending on whether I go alone or with André or if we rent a car and go to a very distant spa). Of course not everyone spends 500-1000 euros a day at the spa, but I know many can afford it. I go to the spa on swimming costume day and I see a lot of middle aged people there on a working day. That in itself is a luxury on a working day not to work but to go to the spa :)
Yes. Netherlands lots of " parttimers"
This is becouse of the goverment.
I can explain if you like.
1. . . . na 2 jaar mag je hier wel Nederlands spreken . . . 2. NL is geen rijk land maar heeft alleen een aantal rijke mensen . . . en heeeel veel arme mensen. 3. Portugal is GEEN arm land als je cultuur en familie als belangrijk ziet! oh . . en wees trots op je eigen land en geloof echt dat 'rijkdom' niet tastbaar is !!!!
I cant save money here in NL i make around 3700 euro every month and but last year my house. I am divorced in only me and my dog live together. Includid my car i need every single euro every month. This country is way to expensive.
Hi! Thanks for your comment! Of course I understand your situation and there is no doubt that it is true. But can you admit even a tiny possibility that the fact that you cannot save money is a consequence of your lifestyle and not the fact that you live in the Netherlands. Why I ask this - because we have almost the same budget for 2 people and 1 dog and although we live modestly, we manage to save money in the Netherlands.
@@S.M.Art_Living if you take lifestyle as a key component of the equation, then there is nothing to blame Portugal's low salary. Because the immigrants from Brazil CaboVerde Angola Mozambique can live well with 1000Euros/month for a family of three.
Now you are in Netherland and you are an immigrant of Netherland. To compare betwee your living lifestyle and an original Dutch's one is just like to compare the portuguese and the brazil/angola/mozambique. If you take lifestyle to be an important thing, then you and your husband (with experience of 50 years in Portugal) can adjust the lifestyle to the brazilien or angola's one.
Of course, i understand Netherland is better for jobs. But what you are talking about lifestyle is just ridiculous. You are immigrant in Netherland and you are saying to the native Dutch to change his/her lifestyle to yours.
Apples need to be compared with apples, not taking apples to compare with oranges.
All immigrants (not expats - expats are not immigrants because they only come into the country to spend money, not to find jobs) always have lower standard of living in any country in the world.
@@asiaticonaeuropa "Native Dutch" with Gianluca name? Ok😝
@@S.M.Art_Living now instead of talking about lifestyle, you want to focus into names. Do names matter to you? 🤮
DON'T GO LIFE IN AMSTERDAM ,IT'S MATS TOO EXPENSIVE !!!
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Your Dutch needs work.
What do you mean?
@@S.M.Art_Living I guess he thinks you sounded rather English.. 🙂
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What is true for one person - can be not true for another. This is what life is all about