Its important to remember that things can change pretty fast. In the UK in 2019 Boris Johnson (aka the British Trump) won labour heartlands and smashed the "Red wall" and the Tories won a huge majority. This election Labour came back and the Tories had their worst performance. Quick note: In the UK the conservative party (Republican equivalent) is Blue and Labour (Democratic equivalent) is Red.
True. But the US Presidency is 4 years. No snap elections. And the last potential term for trump as president. He has 4 years with red house and senate. And MAGA mania. I heard Hulk Hogan is being placed as cabinet minister for the Enviromental Protection Agency.
Fareed Zakaria seems to be giving far more credit to the intelligence of voters than they deserve. Perhaps the truth is much simpler than his sophisticated/intellectual analysis: the American voters proved to be more gullible and stupid than we expected.
Agreed. I'm seeing polling showing that voters who went Trump were worse informed than those who went for Harris. And watch every Republican screaming about how terrible the economy is completely flip on that opinion the second Trump is sworn in. All the talk about high groceries prices will simply disappear from the media.
he really did not. He seemed to miss the fact that the immigration issue factually does not affect most of the people who parrot fox and trump about it. Interviews were conducted throughout the Midwest and each person was asked if they were personally affected by an or multiple undocumented immigrants and they said no. then they were asked if they knew anyone who was. they said no. This is what a manufactured issue looks like. So, Fareed is wrong about that. but it's *his* issue. I think he is correct that societies have a limit to which they can tolerate an influx of immigrants- to exceed that tolerance level invites the rise of nationalism which occurred in the EU. And no doubt this occurred in the states affected by mass immigration such as Texas, California, New York, Florida, Arizona.. and any other states in which immigrants overstayed their visas, which is the #1 method by which undocumented immigrants arrive - not, actually the border, which is another sign that the border itself is a manufactured issue for the majority of Trump voters.
Thank you, you brought some reason and balance to the wretched election conversation. In particular, Fareed's last few comments about US stability and the strength of its laws and structures are spot on.
You know, this discussion disgusts me. None of us who hear "they're poisoning the blood of our country" and "the enemy of the people" are being recognized. Either one of those slogans is enough for me to vote against Trump REGARDLESS of anything else (unless the other candidate is also saying those things). Some of us know what those slogans actually mean, where they come from. They are not forgivable.
I am a moderate conservative who absolutely has never voted for Trump. I bought it for Biden and Harris. I’m a very well educated guy who wears a tool belt. Democrat politicians and white-collar people in general look down upon less educated and southern people and they don’t understand that many white people feel left behind. Donald Trump, the great manipulative sales person that he is, knows how to play to this dynamic.
Seen from Canada, it's concerning to see Trump normalized all over again. As if we can forget about his hateful rhetoric and hateful deeds. The man is dangerous. Electing him was reckless. Why? That's the question. Why have Americans gone reckless?
I really appreciate this more grounded perspective. I get a lot of people repeating headlines, and it stresses me out. I worry a lot about the stability of the US law and stability of the dollar. While I understand everyone else is concerned about identity/minority politics, I'm just trying to get by.
I am a independent that don't support either extreme and I am leaving the country because I have no voice as a independent and Universal Healthcare is a extreme important priority and with the extreme disfunction I don't see that happening. Furthermore, I strongly believe the United States is like a Titanic it is slowly sinking and imploding on itself and don't want to be stuck here when the real meltdown and violence starts for my children's sake. I will move to a more safe, free and stable country. I have traveled to over 20 countries and many are in much better conditions then the US right now, while a few are doing worse on some metrics. I personally find Japan to be my favorite for the quality of life and happiness, but want to get a second passport from Canada or a European Union country.
I am also independent and feel as though the economic side of things is the last thing to worry about. Like Farheed said, we are already one of the top economy’s in the world in an America. We need to do something about the environment!!!!!!!! None of these social justice conversations even matter if we are not going to have a world to live on in generations. Also the issue of how so many of our foods are poison to our body’s and passed off as something that edible but makes us all sick. Same with all the medications. I didn’t hear ANYONE of the candidates talking about any of these issues.
We are leaving the country as well. Both, my husband and I migrated here almost 50 years ago, he came from England and I moved from Mexico. The US has been great to us but the political and financial instability will consequently impact the quality of life.
Where are you going to go? I’m an independent as well - probably closest to Bill Maher. And I live abroad (raised abroad.) but really. . . the grass is not always greener on the other side. Europe is far more conservative than the US as is Asia. I keep seeing Americans comes to Asia or Europe and being shocked at how there is simply no debate on most of the cultural debates. In the EU and Asia - there is no trans debate - trans in women’s spaces is a no, children getting medical intervention is a no. . . Abortion is very limited. . . and race/religion is not even collected as data (at least in France). . .Even genetic genealogy tests are banned! I think most people would realise that the US is actually quite well off all things considered. But I understand how it’s a bit rough when you are in the bubble. What I always say to my US friends who want to move to Europe or East Asia is to ask themselves - are you prepared to assimilate to wherever you are going? Are you prepared to learn a new language and accept you host countries culture and habits without prejudice? Most Americans have so much individualism and freedom to express themselves however they want (even things others may disagree with) - are you prepared to become a guest?
@@deacon8754that puts you equal to 97% of the world. Only 3% of the world population leaves the country of their birth to become citizens of a different country.
For the life of me I can’t understand why Jan 6th was not the end of it, do people seriously think he’s not going to hold on to power for life by all means?
Oh, dear God. When I hear what Fareed Zakaria believes happened, I think: 1) liberal intellectuals are consciously urging fascism forward; 2) we absolutely deserve what we're gonna get.
Right? I love him but on this he’s just completely bought into the game trump & the right wing billionaires played as well as the basic apparently immutable misogyny in the US
@@buzzardwhiskey every single time we voted for the GOP we voted to 1) reduce the size of the middle class, 2) increase the size of the 1%, 3) privatize social services and gov't functions, 4)deregulate so corporations including financial firms could make more money, 5) reduce the power of labor unions which had until Reagan kept our wages in line with productivity, and 6) allow for money to gain more power annually over politics. So while everyone claims to dislike neoliberal rampant capitalism, they voted to enable the transfer of $5 TRILLION dollars from the 90% to the top 10%, the lions share to the top 1%. When people voted for Reagan, Bush, Bush jr. and Trump, they voted to make themselves poorer and less powerful. We sold everything and now have a country run entirely by private interests.
@@lesnla I absolutely agree with everything you've written. And... the dems are, at this point, just as bad. In fact, this is where Fareed and I would part company, but I think that Clinton and Obama were both worse in terms of losing "ground" than the first Trump presidency. The reason I believe this is simple. In our winner take all capitalism, all the dems have ever really been able to offer is shelter and protection from oligarchy, and both those democratic presidents moved the needle in the wrong direction more than Trump. Yes, Trump is supported by the Heritage Foundation which will soon enact some truly repressive ideas, but Trump got a second term because dems didn't just completely abandon the middle-class, they screwed them over with just as much vigor as republicans.
Politics is not only to respond to the demands of the majority, the market, politics is also to create new visions; to teach the racists that we live not in a country but in one world.
Um, the racists run the show. WE are an openly racist country with a racist government policy. It is what it is. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that the govt can't be racist.
I feel like this is an intellectual discussion that discounts the fact that Trump does not care about norms or the rule of law. While some of the speculations presented seem logical and probable, I don't think that we are in "Kansas" anymore "Toto." I see darkness as his inauguration approaches. Once that formality is complete, then things are rapidly going to deteriorate on all fronts. This will translate into the global economy tanking, civil liberties crushed, other opposing nations aggressively pursuing their interests. The world is now a more dangerous place than ever before. There are no more guard rails. Again some of the speculations are logical and probable but the reality is that the world is in deep doo doo.
I think of it this way: everyone I know wants their high school football team to win. Not everyone would want them to win if that means bringing in students from somewhere else to take the starting spot on the team of their child.
A breadth of knowledge that contributed to a coherent meta analysis of this election. Don’t quite agree with the theory that Americans leaned into culture ( ie race and gender issues) because of tumultuous times. Trump has been a megaphone and a permission slip for what has been festering since the birth of this nation. So many voted out of hatred and disgust, not fear.
I think the liberal professionals care about the stability and visibility of the U.S. because it is in their interest. The interest of the right wing very wealthy are not tied to the viability of the country as much and the poorer working class are frustrated with a lack of progress in their life station. The see immigrants becoming middle class and resent it - it could have been them in that occupation if not for the immigrant.
Good show. I herd an interview with John Mearsheimer with a very diffrent explanation of the Ukraine war. According to him the USA believed that Russia felt unsafe with NATO expansion on its boarders and stated publicly and repeatedly that they would attack Ukraine if Ukraine joined NATO. They did. The USA calculation was that Russia could not. Whoops. My suspicion is that the USA was OK with a war in Ukraine because using military hardware at scale created demand for military hardware. If that explanation has elements of "truthiness" (bow to Stephen Colber's old character portrayal) that would be a reprehensible move by the USA.
I always like to hear Fareeds Views on the World Unfortunately He’s way off on immigration it’s affecting the whole world especially Europe The American people have know idea how intense it is over there and how strongly the Europeans feel about it
While there are a lot of issues I disagree with Fareed on, I really do appreciate this conversation. Both sides could benefit from this kind of honesty introspection.
A thoughtul and reasoned discussion. The one thing so many Dem's cannot get their heads around is how important cultural values are. They outweigh economic considerations because the US was founded on a idea. Economics are important, but not determative for many if not most Trumpers. I suspect the vote went as it did in spite of Trumps many deficiencys. It was a vote against the far left progressivism and cosmopolitianism they saw as a mortal danger to the USA.
I voted for Biden and Harris. Democrats do culture war also such as defending Leah Thomas swimming against females and subsequently destroying lots of NCAA records yet Democrats don’t stand up for females by saying this is wrong. Democrats buried their heads on immigration when most working class people feel left behind. Most colleges have programs to reduce tuition for people who are specifically not white. In Minneapolis public schools the union signed a contract that literally provides tenure to everybody except white staff. Whites can be dismissed if it’s deemed that it would be beneficial to have a person of color serving in that position. This is an absolute fact, not something Fox News distorted. Those four examples are progressive policies and when push comes to shove most progressives would be against them if it affected one of their loved ones.
This well explains why Kamala lost: when people are not doing well, they don’t move economically to the left. Rather, they move culturally to the right.
How do you define weak? If she was weak what do you call a dancing, babbling, stuttering, bombastic, attention seeking, old fart that is one Donald J. Trump?
@@CarlosIowaYou don’t have to like Trump to acknowledge he’s far better speaking off the cuff and “selling himself” than Harris was. That’s part of the reason why he won. Harris couldn’t do interviews without bombing.
I don't think people should leave the country. They should leave all red states and move to battle ground states. Please all Democrats and independents and reasonable Republicans leave deep red states And go to battle ground states where your vote counts.
How about being good? Analyzing policies and actually implementing them so they work on a local level and leading by example? Stop using tricks and govern. The right did this nonsense, lost ground and for some reason the left in their infinite wisdom decided to do the same dumb shit with a twist. Let's tell people how to live socially, not give them anything economically, get money from corporate interests and tell the people they are the problem. This is the shared playbook of both parties now.
Why was NONE Harris & the Democrat's campaign anywhere as reasonable as this. Almost everything Zakaria said was reasonable, even if I disagree with the conclusion. ^ That wasn't the Democrats' campaign. Instead they called us "hateful", racist, sexist, fascists. They absolutely deserved to loose. Did even Zakaria sound as reasonable as he does in this interview? Of course not. His network didn't pay him to be reasonable, they payed him to chant the party slogans
well, I have been a big fan of Fareed's but he's got a lot of things wrong in this analysis. He seemed to miss the fact that the immigration issue factually does not affect most of the people who parrot fox and trump about it. Interviews were conducted throughout the Midwest and each person was asked if they were personally affected by an or multiple undocumented immigrants and they said no. then they were asked if they knew anyone who was. they said no. This is how you can identify a manufactured issue. Further, the border is not the #1 route to getting into the US and staying without legal right - overstaying visas is- via planes, not, actually the border. Since this is *never* mentioned, it is another sign that the border itself is a manufactured issue. The only states affected by the border issue is Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico. Florida is NOT affected as much by the border as it is airplanes. the wall, were it actually to be about preventing undocumented immigration, would be built around the airports. So, Fareed is wrong about this. but it's his issue. He came legally from a well enough to do Indian family to go to Yale. He got a job, was sponsored, and stayed in the US. He was not a refugee, he did not flee the jaws of a shark. He was not in any danger in his home country, nor was his home flooding on a monthly basis, or his land too dry to farm. So his lack of understanding as to why people would be fleeing to the US is not really comprehensible to me. I do think he is correct that societies have a limit to which they can tolerate an influx of immigrants- to exceed that tolerance level invites the rise of nationalism which occurred in the EU. No doubt this occurred in the states affected by mass immigration near the border and in Florida, CA and NYC, yet somehow CA and NYC are ok with it but Texas and Florida are not... I wonder why? manufactured outrage? Lastly, once again Kamela is held to a completely different standard that Trump is. Swaying to music for 45 minutes is "honest"?? that's nonsensical. Had Kamela done that she would have been laughed out of the race. She ran a flawless campaign, was entirely cogent, published comprehensive plans, and Trump not only did NONE of that, he didn't even make sense when he spoke!!! To say ANYTHING remotely implying that Trump ran a campaign at all, when even in a debate his answer to health care was "a concept of a plan" is completely disingenuous. Fareed lost respect from me on that one. What he should have mentioned is the entire press including the NYT most of all wrote about 41 negative headlines about the Biden admin for every 1 headline that was negative to Trump. The daily sane washing was extraordinary and frightening because it indicated there was much more power behind trump. than Harris. For example, Kamala has a detailed and comprehensive plan published on her website, but the Times runs a headline that she has no plans. What?! For every extraordinary thing Biden did economically, the Times either did not cover it or buried it in the paper instead of running it on the front page. And every serious, disturbing thing said by Trump which should have been above the fold on the front page was not in the paper at all, or also buried. If a candidate says, "vote for me this time and you'll never have to vote again," not only is that terrifying, any paper that did NOT put it above the fold on the front page was committing a dereliction of duty. As evidenced, Trump had billions of campaign dollars spent on his campaign - exponentially more than the Harris campaign, not including the aligned interests of the US media to push trump over Harris, and of course millions of Russian bots. Fareed, THESE are pivotal reasons behind the outcome of this election, just as they were behind that of 2016, not the rubbish you just presented.
Democracy? What do even mean by that? Do the fucking math! Read a little Kenneth Arrow, learn a little Social Choice theory, maybe some Public Choice theory
Ranked choice voting has NOT proven to be a good system in San Francisco. It takes weeks to figure out who won. We often get someone in office who has won only 30 percent of the rank one votes. It's hard to figure out how to vote strategically, etc. Having the two top winners in a primary (as we do for Congress in California) does work. The two candidates have to appeal to a broad spectrum of voters for the final vote.
gross. im sorry but you cannot say that one is wrong because one "feels eggs are too expensive" despite the economy being good. thats capitalism. we pay because we "feel" its fair value. afford is irrelevant. a millionaire or a hobo will always agree on appropriate cost regardless of income. only newyorkafornians and shut-in popular podcast economists would pretend otherwise.
what nonsense, up until listening to this, I had high regards for Zakaria. The fact that trump is grossly unqualified for public office just gets swept under the rug.
I've been waiting for this Freakonomics Episode!! Thank you!
Its important to remember that things can change pretty fast. In the UK in 2019 Boris Johnson (aka the British Trump) won labour heartlands and smashed the "Red wall" and the Tories won a huge majority. This election Labour came back and the Tories had their worst performance. Quick note: In the UK the conservative party (Republican equivalent) is Blue and Labour (Democratic equivalent) is Red.
True. But the US Presidency is 4 years. No snap elections. And the last potential term for trump as president. He has 4 years with red house and senate. And MAGA mania.
I heard Hulk Hogan is being placed as cabinet minister for the Enviromental Protection Agency.
Fareed Zakaria seems to be giving far more credit to the intelligence of voters than they deserve. Perhaps the truth is much simpler than his sophisticated/intellectual analysis: the American voters proved to be more gullible and stupid than we expected.
Agreed. I'm seeing polling showing that voters who went Trump were worse informed than those who went for Harris. And watch every Republican screaming about how terrible the economy is completely flip on that opinion the second Trump is sworn in. All the talk about high groceries prices will simply disappear from the media.
Fareed nailed it .. absolutely
he really did not. He seemed to miss the fact that the immigration issue factually does not affect most of the people who parrot fox and trump about it. Interviews were conducted throughout the Midwest and each person was asked if they were personally affected by an or multiple undocumented immigrants and they said no. then they were asked if they knew anyone who was. they said no. This is what a manufactured issue looks like.
So, Fareed is wrong about that. but it's *his* issue. I think he is correct that societies have a limit to which they can tolerate an influx of immigrants- to exceed that tolerance level invites the rise of nationalism which occurred in the EU.
And no doubt this occurred in the states affected by mass immigration such as Texas, California, New York, Florida, Arizona.. and any other states in which immigrants overstayed their visas, which is the #1 method by which undocumented immigrants arrive - not, actually the border, which is another sign that the border itself is a manufactured issue for the majority of Trump voters.
Thank you, you brought some reason and balance to the wretched election conversation. In particular, Fareed's last few comments about US stability and the strength of its laws and structures are spot on.
Thank you Mr. Zakaria, truly appreciated your comments & insight about Americas situation under Trump.
You know, this discussion disgusts me. None of us who hear "they're poisoning the blood of our country" and "the enemy of the people" are being recognized. Either one of those slogans is enough for me to vote against Trump REGARDLESS of anything else (unless the other candidate is also saying those things). Some of us know what those slogans actually mean, where they come from. They are not forgivable.
I am a moderate conservative who absolutely has never voted for Trump. I bought it for Biden and Harris. I’m a very well educated guy who wears a tool belt. Democrat politicians and white-collar people in general look down upon less educated and southern people and they don’t understand that many white people feel left behind. Donald Trump, the great manipulative sales person that he is, knows how to play to this dynamic.
Fareed is a sensible voice in today’s polarized World! V need more such voices if v r to navigate next 4 years;
Seen from Canada, it's concerning to see Trump normalized all over again. As if we can forget about his hateful rhetoric and hateful deeds. The man is dangerous. Electing him was reckless. Why? That's the question. Why have Americans gone reckless?
Because the left has failed us on multiple levels over the last 4 years. Despite the drawbacks of Trump, they were the worse option.
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Mr. Zakaria has the best perspective on the election. Especially on the immigration front. If i could have screamed it from the mountaintop.
I thought this was a great interview. Fareed is very thoughtful. I say this even though he said some things not supporting my personal worldview.
I really appreciate this more grounded perspective. I get a lot of people repeating headlines, and it stresses me out. I worry a lot about the stability of the US law and stability of the dollar. While I understand everyone else is concerned about identity/minority politics, I'm just trying to get by.
I am a independent that don't support either extreme and I am leaving the country because I have no voice as a independent and Universal Healthcare is a extreme important priority and with the extreme disfunction I don't see that happening. Furthermore, I strongly believe the United States is like a Titanic it is slowly sinking and imploding on itself and don't want to be stuck here when the real meltdown and violence starts for my children's sake. I will move to a more safe, free and stable country. I have traveled to over 20 countries and many are in much better conditions then the US right now, while a few are doing worse on some metrics. I personally find Japan to be my favorite for the quality of life and happiness, but want to get a second passport from Canada or a European Union country.
I am also independent and feel as though the economic side of things is the last thing to worry about. Like Farheed said, we are already one of the top economy’s in the world in an America. We need to do something about the environment!!!!!!!! None of these social justice conversations even matter if we are not going to have a world to live on in generations. Also the issue of how so many of our foods are poison to our body’s and passed off as something that edible but makes us all sick. Same with all the medications. I didn’t hear ANYONE of the candidates talking about any of these issues.
We are leaving the country as well. Both, my husband and I migrated here almost 50 years ago, he came from England and I moved from Mexico. The US has been great to us but the political and financial instability will consequently impact the quality of life.
Where are you going to go? I’m an independent as well - probably closest to Bill Maher. And I live abroad (raised abroad.) but really. . . the grass is not always greener on the other side.
Europe is far more conservative than the US as is Asia. I keep seeing Americans comes to Asia or Europe and being shocked at how there is simply no debate on most of the cultural debates.
In the EU and Asia - there is no trans debate - trans in women’s spaces is a no, children getting medical intervention is a no. . . Abortion is very limited. . . and race/religion is not even collected as data (at least in France). . .Even genetic genealogy tests are banned!
I think most people would realise that the US is actually quite well off all things considered.
But I understand how it’s a bit rough when you are in the bubble.
What I always say to my US friends who want to move to Europe or East Asia is to ask themselves - are you prepared to assimilate to wherever you are going? Are you prepared to learn a new language and accept you host countries culture and habits without prejudice?
Most Americans have so much individualism and freedom to express themselves however they want (even things others may disagree with) - are you prepared to become a guest?
I really want to leave but there is nowhere for me to go
@@deacon8754that puts you equal to 97% of the world. Only 3% of the world population leaves the country of their birth to become citizens of a different country.
It kills me when people talk about working class vs elites. The vote only splits 55/45. There are huge numbers of any group that vote for both sides.
Great insights from Dr. Fareed. This second term will be unlike any that has come before.
For the life of me I can’t understand why Jan 6th was not the end of it, do people seriously think he’s not going to hold on to power for life by all means?
Material evidence exists to show the Fed Government exacerbated J6.
No one is talking about the influence of dark money and propaganda adds that we were bombarded with.
You do realize the Democrats outspent the Republicans by billions. The Harris campaign outspent the Trump campaign by more than 3 to 1.
Oh, dear God. When I hear what Fareed Zakaria believes happened, I think: 1) liberal intellectuals are consciously urging fascism forward; 2) we absolutely deserve what we're gonna get.
Right? I love him but on this he’s just completely bought into the game trump & the right wing billionaires played as well as the basic apparently immutable misogyny in the US
@@lesnla our democracy, our housing, our schools, our futures... we simply sold them all.
wholeheartedly agree on # 2
@@buzzardwhiskey every single time we voted for the GOP we voted to 1) reduce the size of the middle class, 2) increase the size of the 1%, 3) privatize social services and gov't functions, 4)deregulate so corporations including financial firms could make more money, 5) reduce the power of labor unions which had until Reagan kept our wages in line with productivity, and 6) allow for money to gain more power annually over politics.
So while everyone claims to dislike neoliberal rampant capitalism, they voted to enable the transfer of $5 TRILLION dollars from the 90% to the top 10%, the lions share to the top 1%. When people voted for Reagan, Bush, Bush jr. and Trump, they voted to make themselves poorer and less powerful. We sold everything and now have a country run entirely by private interests.
@@lesnla I absolutely agree with everything you've written. And... the dems are, at this point, just as bad. In fact, this is where Fareed and I would part company, but I think that Clinton and Obama were both worse in terms of losing "ground" than the first Trump presidency. The reason I believe this is simple. In our winner take all capitalism, all the dems have ever really been able to offer is shelter and protection from oligarchy, and both those democratic presidents moved the needle in the wrong direction more than Trump. Yes, Trump is supported by the Heritage Foundation which will soon enact some truly repressive ideas, but Trump got a second term because dems didn't just completely abandon the middle-class, they screwed them over with just as much vigor as republicans.
Politics is not only to respond to the demands of the majority, the market, politics is also to create new visions; to teach the racists that we live not in a country but in one world.
Um, the racists run the show. WE are an openly racist country with a racist government policy. It is what it is. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that the govt can't be racist.
I feel like this is an intellectual discussion that discounts the fact that Trump does not care about norms or the rule of law. While some of the speculations presented seem logical and probable, I don't think that we are in "Kansas" anymore "Toto." I see darkness as his inauguration approaches. Once that formality is complete, then things are rapidly going to deteriorate on all fronts. This will translate into the global economy tanking, civil liberties crushed, other opposing nations aggressively pursuing their interests. The world is now a more dangerous place than ever before. There are no more guard rails. Again some of the speculations are logical and probable but the reality is that the world is in deep doo doo.
That was an amazing episode! I was especially grateful for those last comments to those who voted against Trump and lost. Thank you guys.
I think of it this way: everyone I know wants their high school football team to win. Not everyone would want them to win if that means bringing in students from somewhere else to take the starting spot on the team of their child.
Excellent radio. I think every person would benefit from listening to this episode.
A breadth of knowledge that contributed to a coherent meta analysis of this election. Don’t quite agree with the theory that Americans leaned into culture ( ie race and gender issues) because of tumultuous times. Trump has been a megaphone and a permission slip for what has been festering since the birth of this nation. So many voted out of hatred and disgust, not fear.
I think the liberal professionals care about the stability and visibility of the U.S. because it is in their interest. The interest of the right wing very wealthy are not tied to the viability of the country as much and the poorer working class are frustrated with a lack of progress in their life station. The see immigrants becoming middle class and resent it - it could have been them in that occupation if not for the immigrant.
Good show. I herd an interview with John Mearsheimer with a very diffrent explanation of the Ukraine war. According to him the USA believed that Russia felt unsafe with NATO expansion on its boarders and stated publicly and repeatedly that they would attack Ukraine if Ukraine joined NATO. They did. The USA calculation was that Russia could not. Whoops. My suspicion is that the USA was OK with a war in Ukraine because using military hardware at scale created demand for military hardware.
If that explanation has elements of "truthiness" (bow to Stephen Colber's old character portrayal) that would be a reprehensible move by the USA.
Inflation? So Trump is going to put the eggs at 50 cents bread at one dollar a home at 40k yea, right 😅
if that doesn't happen, I'm sure it will be Biden s fault.
you forgot the gas, Trump will pay your gas now for driving a guzzler.
I always like to hear Fareeds Views on the World Unfortunately He’s way off on immigration it’s affecting the whole world especially Europe The American people have know idea how intense it is over there and how strongly the Europeans feel about it
While there are a lot of issues I disagree with Fareed on, I really do appreciate this conversation. Both sides could benefit from this kind of honesty introspection.
A thoughtul and reasoned discussion. The one thing so many Dem's cannot get their heads around is how important cultural values are. They outweigh economic considerations because the US was founded on a idea. Economics are important, but not determative for many if not most Trumpers. I suspect the vote went as it did in spite of Trumps many deficiencys. It was a vote against the far left progressivism and cosmopolitianism they saw as a mortal danger to the USA.
Maga culture is white robes and burning crosses. Good luck with that.
I voted for Biden and Harris. Democrats do culture war also such as defending Leah Thomas swimming against females and subsequently destroying lots of NCAA records yet Democrats don’t stand up for females by saying this is wrong. Democrats buried their heads on immigration when most working class people feel left behind. Most colleges have programs to reduce tuition for people who are specifically not white. In Minneapolis public schools the union signed a contract that literally provides tenure to everybody except white staff. Whites can be dismissed if it’s deemed that it would be beneficial to have a person of color serving in that position. This is an absolute fact, not something Fox News distorted. Those four examples are progressive policies and when push comes to shove most progressives would be against them if it affected one of their loved ones.
This well explains why Kamala lost: when people are not doing well, they don’t move economically to the left. Rather, they move culturally to the right.
Trump is very feminine; he use gossip, tantrums and similar reactions.
Magats are very sensitive. A glimpse of skin that isn’t pure white sends them into a tizzy.
He is truly first female president.😂😂😂
Oh so this is how you think women act?
@coryshaw3936 No, I don't think. I know from experience.
Very insightful comment
I agree with Fareed. But let’s not get carried away. Kamala lost because she was a weak candidate.
It wasn't just Kamela that lost though. Extremely conservative candidates won most races and now run the federal and most state governments.
How do you define weak? If she was weak what do you call a dancing, babbling, stuttering, bombastic, attention seeking, old fart that is one Donald J. Trump?
@@CarlosIowaYou don’t have to like Trump to acknowledge he’s far better speaking off the cuff and “selling himself” than Harris was. That’s part of the reason why he won. Harris couldn’t do interviews without bombing.
@@CarlosIowawon twice, maybe a third time
The concern is corporations driven US
Keep in mind that the ai revolution just starting will destroy the priviledged service sector next, and we all will be unemployed very soon.
I don't think people should leave the country. They should leave all red states and move to battle ground states. Please all Democrats and independents and reasonable Republicans leave deep red states And go to battle ground states where your vote counts.
How about being good? Analyzing policies and actually implementing them so they work on a local level and leading by example? Stop using tricks and govern. The right did this nonsense, lost ground and for some reason the left in their infinite wisdom decided to do the same dumb shit with a twist.
Let's tell people how to live socially, not give them anything economically, get money from corporate interests and tell the people they are the problem.
This is the shared playbook of both parties now.
Why was NONE Harris & the Democrat's campaign anywhere as reasonable as this.
Almost everything Zakaria said was reasonable, even if I disagree with the conclusion.
^ That wasn't the Democrats' campaign. Instead they called us "hateful", racist, sexist, fascists. They absolutely deserved to loose.
Did even Zakaria sound as reasonable as he does in this interview? Of course not. His network didn't pay him to be reasonable, they payed him to chant the party slogans
People wearing Jesus for trump t shirts explains it all to me.
well, I have been a big fan of Fareed's but he's got a lot of things wrong in this analysis. He seemed to miss the fact that the immigration issue factually does not affect most of the people who parrot fox and trump about it. Interviews were conducted throughout the Midwest and each person was asked if they were personally affected by an or multiple undocumented immigrants and they said no. then they were asked if they knew anyone who was. they said no. This is how you can identify a manufactured issue.
Further, the border is not the #1 route to getting into the US and staying without legal right - overstaying visas is- via planes, not, actually the border. Since this is *never* mentioned, it is another sign that the border itself is a manufactured issue. The only states affected by the border issue is Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico. Florida is NOT affected as much by the border as it is airplanes. the wall, were it actually to be about preventing undocumented immigration, would be built around the airports.
So, Fareed is wrong about this. but it's his issue. He came legally from a well enough to do Indian family to go to Yale. He got a job, was sponsored, and stayed in the US. He was not a refugee, he did not flee the jaws of a shark. He was not in any danger in his home country, nor was his home flooding on a monthly basis, or his land too dry to farm. So his lack of understanding as to why people would be fleeing to the US is not really comprehensible to me.
I do think he is correct that societies have a limit to which they can tolerate an influx of immigrants- to exceed that tolerance level invites the rise of nationalism which occurred in the EU. No doubt this occurred in the states affected by mass immigration near the border and in Florida, CA and NYC, yet somehow CA and NYC are ok with it but Texas and Florida are not... I wonder why? manufactured outrage?
Lastly, once again Kamela is held to a completely different standard that Trump is. Swaying to music for 45 minutes is "honest"?? that's nonsensical. Had Kamela done that she would have been laughed out of the race. She ran a flawless campaign, was entirely cogent, published comprehensive plans, and Trump not only did NONE of that, he didn't even make sense when he spoke!!! To say ANYTHING remotely implying that Trump ran a campaign at all, when even in a debate his answer to health care was "a concept of a plan" is completely disingenuous. Fareed lost respect from me on that one. What he should have mentioned is the entire press including the NYT most of all wrote about 41 negative headlines about the Biden admin for every 1 headline that was negative to Trump. The daily sane washing was extraordinary and frightening because it indicated there was much more power behind trump. than Harris.
For example, Kamala has a detailed and comprehensive plan published on her website, but the Times runs a headline that she has no plans. What?! For every extraordinary thing Biden did economically, the Times either did not cover it or buried it in the paper instead of running it on the front page. And every serious, disturbing thing said by Trump which should have been above the fold on the front page was not in the paper at all, or also buried. If a candidate says, "vote for me this time and you'll never have to vote again," not only is that terrifying, any paper that did NOT put it above the fold on the front page was committing a dereliction of duty. As evidenced, Trump had billions of campaign dollars spent on his campaign - exponentially more than the Harris campaign, not including the aligned interests of the US media to push trump over Harris, and of course millions of Russian bots. Fareed, THESE are pivotal reasons behind the outcome of this election, just as they were behind that of 2016, not the rubbish you just presented.
Democracy? What do even mean by that? Do the fucking math! Read a little Kenneth Arrow, learn a little Social Choice theory, maybe some Public Choice theory
Come to Fort Lauderdale
I think FZ needs a new thesis. His ideas can no longer explain ground realities. Time for him to rethink.
Not in India.
Ranked choice voting has NOT proven to be a good system in San Francisco. It takes weeks to figure out who won. We often get someone in office who has won only 30 percent of the rank one votes. It's hard to figure out how to vote strategically, etc. Having the two top winners in a primary (as we do for Congress in California) does work. The two candidates have to appeal to a broad spectrum of voters for the final vote.
28:11 I think the democrats would have won if Bernie sanders had been the candidate in 2016.
Fareed is a well spoken tool and his conventional wisdom leads to apocalypse. Just another smart sounding dummy.
You like to hear yur own voice, but the loistener wants to hear Zacharia...
What about Palestine 🕊️🕊️🕊️
Analysis is deeply flawed. Fareed Zakaria is not credible. Therefore; this channel is NOT RECOMMENDED.
Pete Buttigieg is the new standardbearer😂
gross.
im sorry but you cannot say that one is wrong because one "feels eggs are too expensive" despite the economy being good. thats capitalism. we pay because we "feel" its fair value. afford is irrelevant. a millionaire or a hobo will always agree on appropriate cost regardless of income.
only newyorkafornians and shut-in popular podcast economists would pretend otherwise.
what nonsense, up until listening to this, I had high regards for Zakaria. The fact that trump is grossly unqualified for public office just gets swept under the rug.
Zakaria, you managed to be wrong on every single point you talked about. I don’t know how is that even statistically possible. Congratulations!
Wasn't that dramatic. Unless you're a part of the radical left or left at all haha