I love how bosses completely changed the farming meta from "just spam banks" to a convoluted mix of all three farming paths + making merchantmen a relevant farming strategy.
Here are the outcomes of my test runs: 5 Marketplaces: $42,302 1 Bank + 4 Marketplaces: $44,087 7 Marketplaces: $44,437 1 IMF + 4 Marketplaces: $51,089 ($6,454 of Debt) = $44,635 2 Banks + 3 Marketplaces: $46,222
So is a good to still sell the banks (Including IMF) for bosses even if they don’t have the 10% sell back or would it be better to let the interest do its thing while the boss is active?
Honestly ever since I did the per round math I realized the power of marketplaces. I mean a 023 makes the same amount of money as a 320, is cheaper, has better sell back, and doesn't need to be collected in any manual way. Kinda crazy how good marketplaces can be
I've honestly always felt like Banana Plantations needed a buff for a while. You never get them unless you're specifically going to upgrade them to BRFs or get a Monkeyopolis, and it's honestly a little sad.
@@usernametaken017 Oh hey, you're right! I honestly hadn't tested out the fertilizer until now, so I didn't realize you could use it on x3+x or xx3+ farms.
My favorite thing is you make the information incredibly digestible and don’t add a cheesy title or make it 10 mins long. It gives your videos a very informative feeling that has been lost with gaming info being passed around. Keep it up!
I’ve done solo banks for bosses and notice that I always struggle on tier 1 magnitudes more than the other 4 tiers (tier 5 is always a joke because I get Ascended Shadow around degree 40 by the final tier lol), so I think I’ll probably switch to the 1 bank and then marketplaces until tier 1, sell them, and then go for banks after the first tier. Thanks for the video! Hopefully this will make my elite boss runs less of a nightmare 😂
Another thing with marketplaces is that they generate lives with the MK, and that's really goos for boss events, specifically Lych, and being able to leak more allows you to get more farms and less defenses
Moral of the story: Both farms are great, but it mainly depends whether or not you feel like using Bejamin or you feel like using the merchant farming tactic to get more money.
I think the answer is just sell boss defense for two 420 farms into a mini-opolis. Farm for more 420 farms and defend 60 and sell the mini-opolis for a full using the farms you already have.
@@rife133 No no, he has a point. Like it's clear that Ninja monkeys and wizards must have learned through the ancient knowledge passed down for centuries. Some use enhancements, like in the case of Boomer and Tech-Terror. But question still remains whether or not who were the original who taught them. And more importantly what breakthrough they developed to create the paragons that we know today.
In BMC, there are specific schools for monkeys to teach them upgrades. And there are specialist schools for stronger upgrades. And obviously, for upgrades that require special engineering, factories are built to supply the parts.
@@sirtangerine1465 i dont think there was someone who "taught" the monkeys. They just simply learned how to do these things. Humans werent taught by some entity to learn how to harness fire, cook food, or build the atom bomb. They just learned. And the reason technology is so advanced is because Monkeys always have something to fight for. One ultimate goal every monkey strives to achieve. The destruction of Bloons. When you put an entire species to do one job, they'll learn much faster. That AND because Magic exists.
When I play late game and try to go as far as I can, I like to start with 5-6 banks and get as little defenses as possible before switching over to 420s. Then eventually I sell my banks to free up more space and put a monkey farmer on a 050 heli with the door gunner mk. Then everything that is out of range of the farmer is just 024 farms. Got maybe 1-2 million by round 100, though it might not be accurate since its been a few months when I last did it.
This helps me alot, since my first time playing battles 2, i used banks due to the fact that once its full when i check it, you get atleast 14,000$ but now i farm with nice old 2-0-3 marketplaces or good old BRF’s. keep up more farming tips i bet many players wanna make lots a money 😄
@@Hbomb I feel like they did that specifically because of the half cash exploit, since banks still earn the same amount of interest in half cash so you could just keep depositing money into them to essentially bypass all of half cash…getting to a bank in half cash however is no easy task
The reason why marketplaces are so popular is because you can set it and forget it. It'll be interesting to see how 032 banks compare to 023 marketplaces since the banks will get the bonus from Benjamin + higher sellback value from the bottom crosspath + auto-collect once bank is full so they are equally hands-free. Yes, I know 230 banks make more money than 032 banks, but the idea is the hands-free/hassle-free nature of things.
The best farming strat on ez maps is to rush for bank. Go for 200, then a 200, then upgrade the 200 to 220, then sell the 200 to buy bank. By greeding every single banana, I could get the bank at the end of r17 on ez maps, with no time penalty. On skates, I was able to get double first strike plus cleanup ready to one-shot t1 (so had to buy first strikes on r39) AND I still had 3 banks I didn't need to sell.
Shower thoughts: how can Benjamin strengthen monkeys? And another thing… after using his ability, it seems the affected monkeys have no Wi-Fi for some time! Does this mean that all the monkeys are actually robots?
The thing is, the little bit extra cash isnt necessary in any scenario where youd farm so hard, so most people, including me, tend to just go for marketplaces boat farming since you have to do so much with banks to get a lot of money out of them.
@@Hbomb Thats totally right, and if you go for top ranked times, then its 100% better. But for normal casual play, you can just chill with marketplaces and its enough to get through tier 5.
I usually run a split. And by the end don't really have an issue. And then there's a more aggressive start that leads to 4/2/0 farms leading into a monkey town and reupping your 420 and 024 markets with a few boats. But if I can't fit 5 boats I split market and banks. Have that up front if I need the extra cash and banks for later. Then swap all for markets and 420 farms and buff them up. But you can get away with just market places. And a boat for better sell backs. Tbh I enjoy this video because it's a way better strait for micoribg money.
*Video idea:* Make a guide for farms in BTDB2 (best path, best crosspath, comparisons, strategies) since they are pretty different compared to BTD6 ones.
We all know that banks and marketplaces are good but for bosses if theres enough space you should use 420 farms with a monkey farmer recoleting the crates and then go for a monkeyopolis to make insanes amounts of money
For boss events go for two 200 farms, upgrade one farm to 220, the other farm to 202, sell the 202 farm when you have $1200 and upgrade the 220 to a bank. Then start getting 200 farms and upgrade them to market places (or as hbombs math has shown, go for a second bank before marketplaces). In normal games, just get banks.
XRlylyl did a good job. You can do any combo of things, but getting 5 (ish) 2-0-0 farms to start is never a bad idea. Selling can make you get a bank faster, but if you opt for marketplaces you can go straight from 5 2-0-0 farms to making them all 2-0-3s
you can also go with a single 030 bank and upgrade to 032 when you sell it. 030 is more cost efficient than 230, though it's slower and the buildup is worse. For a 1 bank strategy, however, it should be better in theory.
Ok, I tested this with IMF loan as well (though I didn't think to get the upgrade until after I already pulled out cash from the bank. Getting the bank on a round where it could fill IMF loan's increased storage would yield even crazier returns.) With 6 markets and a 042 imf loan, taking out the loan and then selling it, while under the influence of a flavored trades, I had just over 57k on r40. 51k when the $6500 debt was accounted for. I didn't even sell the flavored trades, but if I had it would be even crazier. Maybe my numbers are off, but that money seems insane. Sadly it's less viable for this week's boss since my boy Ben isn't allowed. But damn if you came up with this idea yourself then you are some kind of genius.
Okay so I tried a run myself. Resort, medium, benjamin. I bought 5 2/0/0 farms, upgraded one to 2/0/3 at around round 24-25, had to sell a 2/0/0 (upgrading to 2/0/2 first) to afford the bank at the start of 27. Afterwards i upgraded the rest to 2/0/3 and bought two more 0/2/3 and then favored trades. My defense was dart monkey, tack shooter that I eventually made 3/0/2 at round 28, and a 0/1/2 boat at round 33. I sold all the banana farms and ended up with $52383 and 201 lives and of course my remaining towers (inc. favored trades)
@@BigDBrian i hope you meant favored trades and not trade empire! But yeah that's still pretty awesome. I never thought bottom crosspath on bank would have a practical use, hell even before bosses I never ever used marketplaces. But now both have their place in meta farming strategies!
Market places are just easier to use and you can’t really beat that, a lot more work for $2000 extra is not worth it plus you can beat the boss with the old farming method easily, so you don’t need extra cash, but thanks for testing this out for us.
Yeah, if you are already winning as is then it's fine. On a harder map this could be useful as that 2k will definitely snowball though the run giving you way more money for the tier 3-5
They have their difference monkey shop is continuous but small profit (maybe) but you can put a lot of them from getting those profits. Bank gives a lottttttt of money but it's not continuous so you cant place a lot of them
Well, what’s the best for casual play? I use bottom tier because I’m lazy but what is the best option? Do I do top path and place a banana farmer? Do I use a mid tier and somehow utilise the bank loan? Or do I use bottom tier and trade over seas with my boats?
Can you make optimal strategy about IMF loan with ability? Is it better to use extra money from the ability to make more IFM loans? Or to deposit into banks?
they are adding all paras, my best guess is that it would generate crates like brf’s and store a fraction of the money it makes like banks for interests. it also generates lives and probably auto-collects
the thing is though, a farm paragon would be pretty much useless. By the time you'd be able to afford it (assuming it's in the 300-500k price range) you could also afford a good monkeyopolis, which may not give as much as paragon would but it certainly would give enough so that money isn't an issue. You also don't need to calculate every single banana farm, how much they cost and how much money they made if you're going Opolis, you only care about how many BRFs you can squeeze in its radius. In short, Monkeopolis does the same job as a hypothetical farm paragon unless you'd want to go super deep into lategame and buy 20 different other paragons, it also requires way less thinking.
The best farm strategy in bosses when you have to sell you farms for round 40 in this: get ben | get a 200 farm | get another 200 farm | upgrade one 200 farm to 220 | upgrade the other 200 farm to 202 | sell the 202 farm at 1100 dollars for 230 bank (round 17 bank) | get 2 200 farms | when bank is full upgrade the 2 200 farms to 203 and get as many 023 farms as you can but stop farming at round 38 | then you can collect the bank when it’s full and sell everything under a 004 boat
@@Hbomb I tested it on end of the road on medium with full mk. I had 61941 dollars when I sold everything. You can make a bit more if you use discount villages properly but I didn’t in this run.
I've always tended to use both, since Banks are unmatched in cash generation for their price, and Marketplaces are easy to manage and combo well with other towers. My strat in bosses was always to build up a bunch of 200 farms and then once there are at least 9-10 rounds before the boss spawns, get 2 farms and work on the marketplaces. Since the first tier of a boss really isn't that hard to deal with, keep the banks and sell the marketplaces, then after the boss replace the marketplaces and get more into banks. For their price, banks easily steamroll the most out of every other farm, and the IMF loan ability really can set you up for some crazy shenanigans, like dropping 3 loans for your mini-opolis and build up to the mega-opolis.
@@Hbomb Absolutely. I'd quite love to discuss bank strats, since you can do some crazy things with them, like the interesting nugget of information that some cash generators don't feed into the debt.
your thinking is wrong, it is good because it gives you +1 hearts but it doesnt make it any better thank banks which give you more money to stop you from losing lives.
In my previous btd6 experience, aren’t 023 (compared to 203 marketplaces) marketplaces more profitable??? Or is there some boss strategy I’m not aware of?
The 023 marketplaces do make more money vs 203 *but* you need the on hand money to get valuable bananas *and* the marketplace immediately for it to be more profitable(a 200 farm makes more money than a 020 and the profit increases are spread across two upgrades vs one in valuable bananas). By starting with 200 banana farm spam, then converting them into 203s, you maximize your profit in the first 40 rounds. Beyond round 40, your money snowballs enough to where you *can* buy 023 farms upfront and should. tl;dr 200 farms are a stronger base farm at the start of a boss event compared to 020 or 002s. 203s are bought in the early game because of a lack of cash, not because of efficiency.
#showerthought Where the heck do these monkeys get all the ammunition from? Some like Boomerang Monkey make some sense because the boomerangs usually return, but then you got so many other towers that fire infinitely even though you would likely only have a limited supply of ammo on hand if it was real life.
Wait wouldn't monkey knowledge also affect this because of the bigger banks monkey knowledge that would then let the bank get more intreast and more money?
with all these farming ideas, what would be the ultimate farming formula? is it better to get miniopolis or boat farm? if this video has the best early game farm then you could get monkeyopolis earlier.
so is this whole bank calculation based on having benjamin? hence he is not available in the current lych run is it better to go with 5 x marketplace instead?
Where do the bloons go when they fall into the bloon trap? And how do they float into the trap when the trap is (seemingly) grounded while bloons float?
I instead go to late game and spam hundreds of 420 farms with bottom path tier 5 village with bottom path villages spam with XXXL trap max support sacrifice 520 Super Monkey with each of tier 5 banana farms with ultraboost boosting farms with tons of jungle's bounty including t5 and special operations and spamming bottom path buccaneers on water with elite sniper and benjamin as hero and energizer to finish it off
The only time you’d wanna go middle path is if you save up enough money to immediately upgrade a farm from 000 to 023, otherwise if you place down a farm as soon as you have enough money, when working your way up to a market place it’s better to go with the top path first because the farm makes you more money before it becomes a marketplace.
Is it advisable to get 2-0-3 farms because the build-up is accessible via already existing 2-0-0 farms? Or should i still strive to get 0-2-3 farms because they're more efficient?
shower thoughts: If a x3x druid can pop a test balloon, why cant it one shot any balloon over a ceramic? Is the thorn too small or does it lose motivation when it sees a big balloon?
I love how bosses completely changed the farming meta from "just spam banks" to a convoluted mix of all three farming paths + making merchantmen a relevant farming strategy.
Is it better? Yes. Does it give relevant use to all paths? Yes. Is it good for the sweats? No. Is it more complicated? Yes
Here are the outcomes of my test runs:
5 Marketplaces: $42,302
1 Bank + 4 Marketplaces: $44,087
7 Marketplaces: $44,437
1 IMF + 4 Marketplaces: $51,089 ($6,454 of Debt) = $44,635
2 Banks + 3 Marketplaces: $46,222
Okay
so they are very close hmm...
If it's lych, I'll go 5 marketplaces, if it's bloonarius, I'd go 2 banks 3 marketplaces
So is a good to still sell the banks (Including IMF) for bosses even if they don’t have the 10% sell back or would it be better to let the interest do its thing while the boss is active?
Thank
Banks confuse and scare me and I usually play on mobile so marketplaces are my personal favourite
Same
Same so I just go 032 banks
Same
@@treezz5569 eww why use the bad crosspath
@@treezz5569 *YOUR GOING TO JAIL FOR THAT*
im loving these slightly longer more detailed videos!
I'll keep them coming
Honestly ever since I did the per round math I realized the power of marketplaces. I mean a 023 makes the same amount of money as a 320, is cheaper, has better sell back, and doesn't need to be collected in any manual way. Kinda crazy how good marketplaces can be
I've honestly always felt like Banana Plantations needed a buff for a while. You never get them unless you're specifically going to upgrade them to BRFs or get a Monkeyopolis, and it's honestly a little sad.
@@GarryDumblowski Now they got buffed with the Geraldo fertilizer
@@usernametaken017 Oh hey, you're right! I honestly hadn't tested out the fertilizer until now, so I didn't realize you could use it on x3+x or xx3+ farms.
My favorite thing is you make the information incredibly digestible and don’t add a cheesy title or make it 10 mins long. It gives your videos a very informative feeling that has been lost with gaming info being passed around. Keep it up!
Poor banana plantation.
so true, same money as marketplace, higher price, and doesn't have increased sellback
Yeah, it's only calling card is how much its tier 4 and 5 makes
laughs in late game
Ok
Therapist: Backwards US dollar sign doesn't exist, it can't hurt you
Backwards US dollar sign:
Lol
I’ve done solo banks for bosses and notice that I always struggle on tier 1 magnitudes more than the other 4 tiers (tier 5 is always a joke because I get Ascended Shadow around degree 40 by the final tier lol), so I think I’ll probably switch to the 1 bank and then marketplaces until tier 1, sell them, and then go for banks after the first tier. Thanks for the video! Hopefully this will make my elite boss runs less of a nightmare 😂
No problem. I just did this for lych and it was a pretty easy run!
I also spam banks but I have yet to struggle on tier one. Simply placing down some Moab maulers is usually more than enough
I think the strugle on tier 1 is because banks being more expensive than marketplaces and also don't give you the money instantly
Another thing with marketplaces is that they generate lives with the MK, and that's really goos for boss events, specifically Lych, and being able to leak more allows you to get more farms and less defenses
Yes, the lives are very nice
I love your funny words, magic man
No, for real, it sounds like quantum mechanics
Lmao, ty
Moral of the story: Both farms are great, but it mainly depends whether or not you feel like using Bejamin or you feel like using the merchant farming tactic to get more money.
You should do the next 20 rounds too for the best possible money made from round 40 to 60
60 to 80
80 to 100
100 to 120
I think the answer is just sell boss defense for two 420 farms into a mini-opolis. Farm for more 420 farms and defend 60 and sell the mini-opolis for a full using the farms you already have.
Zach lewis did a great job :)
shower thought: how did all the monkeys gain their abilities, were they trained by a specific monkey, or born with natural talent
Dude
@@rife133 No no, he has a point.
Like it's clear that Ninja monkeys and wizards must have learned through the ancient knowledge passed down for centuries.
Some use enhancements, like in the case of Boomer and Tech-Terror.
But question still remains whether or not who were the original who taught them.
And more importantly what breakthrough they developed to create the paragons that we know today.
In BMC, there are specific schools for monkeys to teach them upgrades. And there are specialist schools for stronger upgrades. And obviously, for upgrades that require special engineering, factories are built to supply the parts.
@@sirtangerine1465 i dont think there was someone who "taught" the monkeys. They just simply learned how to do these things. Humans werent taught by some entity to learn how to harness fire, cook food, or build the atom bomb. They just learned. And the reason technology is so advanced is because Monkeys always have something to fight for. One ultimate goal every monkey strives to achieve. The destruction of Bloons. When you put an entire species to do one job, they'll learn much faster. That AND because Magic exists.
It was something back at, Bloons Monkey City.
"I'll be testing this today on stream against lych"
NK who bans ben for this week: "no i don't think you will"
When I play late game and try to go as far as I can, I like to start with 5-6 banks and get as little defenses as possible before switching over to 420s. Then eventually I sell my banks to free up more space and put a monkey farmer on a 050 heli with the door gunner mk. Then everything that is out of range of the farmer is just 024 farms. Got maybe 1-2 million by round 100, though it might not be accurate since its been a few months when I last did it.
That sounds about right. You can speed it up even more by getting a 2 BRF monkeyopoils after the banks
@@Hbomb yea after getting enough money i usually get sll the tier 5s since they make more money tan t4s. Usually in the 80s I think
Eh i still prefer markets cuz the lives can help with minor leaks and lich siphons
Fair enough
This helps me alot, since my first time playing battles 2, i used banks due to the fact that once its full when i check it, you get atleast 14,000$ but now i farm with nice old 2-0-3 marketplaces or good old BRF’s. keep up more farming tips i bet many players wanna make lots a money 😄
#ShowerThoughtsWithHbomb: what happens when you pop a moab? Does the rubber vanish to dust? Or does it stay on the track?
They're really stretchy and shrink into a impossibly small size
To maximize money. You can deposit(M.K.) to have the 800 a round every rounds but it’s a lot of keeping track.
You can only deposit into an IMF loan, not a bank
Yeah, they made it so you cant deposit into banks anymore. I did deposit into the IMF loan though
@@Hbomb I feel like they did that specifically because of the half cash exploit, since banks still earn the same amount of interest in half cash so you could just keep depositing money into them to essentially bypass all of half cash…getting to a bank in half cash however is no easy task
this video is one of the most helpful btd6 vid(for me)
The reason why marketplaces are so popular is because you can set it and forget it. It'll be interesting to see how 032 banks compare to 023 marketplaces since the banks will get the bonus from Benjamin + higher sellback value from the bottom crosspath + auto-collect once bank is full so they are equally hands-free. Yes, I know 230 banks make more money than 032 banks, but the idea is the hands-free/hassle-free nature of things.
The best farming strat on ez maps is to rush for bank. Go for 200, then a 200, then upgrade the 200 to 220, then sell
the 200 to buy bank. By greeding every single banana, I could get the bank at the end of r17 on ez maps, with no time penalty. On skates, I was able to get double first strike plus cleanup ready to one-shot t1 (so had to buy first strikes on r39) AND I still had 3 banks I didn't need to sell.
I’m going to stay with 0-2-4 farms until they get nerfed.
central markets + boats is awesome
@@Hbomb i hope they don’t nerf the combo. I don’t see why they would, but I just hope they don’t.
@@Enraged. same man
4-2-0 farms earn more money, so 0-2-4 won't get nerfed
Why would they nerf it? Also nice eddsworld pfp
Thanks for the vids
No problem!
With the advent of Lych, there is now more of a reason to just stick to market places, though only if you have the MK which allows them to give lives.
Shower thoughts: how can Benjamin strengthen monkeys? And another thing… after using his ability, it seems the affected monkeys have no Wi-Fi for some time! Does this mean that all the monkeys are actually robots?
Woah
thanks for this video, when i saw marketplaces in boss guides i was so confused :D
Thanks, this is great! I'm guessing this is full MK so I'm not sure I can replicate it, but it's good to understand the fundamentals.
Yes, I did have full mk on
The thing is, the little bit extra cash isnt necessary in any scenario where youd farm so hard, so most people, including me, tend to just go for marketplaces boat farming since you have to do so much with banks to get a lot of money out of them.
Idk, 2-4k by round 40 can easily add up to tons of extra money by the tier 5
@@Hbomb Thats totally right, and if you go for top ranked times, then its 100% better. But for normal casual play, you can just chill with marketplaces and its enough to get through tier 5.
I usually run a split. And by the end don't really have an issue. And then there's a more aggressive start that leads to 4/2/0 farms leading into a monkey town and reupping your 420 and 024 markets with a few boats. But if I can't fit 5 boats I split market and banks. Have that up front if I need the extra cash and banks for later. Then swap all for markets and 420 farms and buff them up. But you can get away with just market places. And a boat for better sell backs. Tbh I enjoy this video because it's a way better strait for micoribg money.
*Video idea:* Make a guide for farms in BTDB2 (best path, best crosspath, comparisons, strategies) since they are pretty different compared to BTD6 ones.
I like it!
Honestly, I mostly farm with engineer. By overclocking Bloon Solver, it shoots faster and has better range so bloons pop faster getting more money.
True. I'll start doing that
Now that bank debate is very interesting.
We all know that banks and marketplaces are good but for bosses if theres enough space you should use 420 farms with a monkey farmer recoleting the crates and then go for a monkeyopolis to make insanes amounts of money
I really dont understand it
Please explain the best combo to do in normal games and lych and bloonarius
For boss events go for two 200 farms, upgrade one farm to 220, the other farm to 202, sell the 202 farm when you have $1200 and upgrade the 220 to a bank. Then start getting 200 farms and upgrade them to market places (or as hbombs math has shown, go for a second bank before marketplaces). In normal games, just get banks.
XRlylyl did a good job. You can do any combo of things, but getting 5 (ish) 2-0-0 farms to start is never a bad idea. Selling can make you get a bank faster, but if you opt for marketplaces you can go straight from 5 2-0-0 farms to making them all 2-0-3s
The wild West banks vs the lighting mcqueen marketing (its fast)
And then there's Plantation...
Rip
you can also go with a single 030 bank and upgrade to 032 when you sell it. 030 is more cost efficient than 230, though it's slower and the buildup is worse. For a 1 bank strategy, however, it should be better in theory.
I'm gonna try this
Ok, I tested this with IMF loan as well (though I didn't think to get the upgrade until after I already pulled out cash from the bank. Getting the bank on a round where it could fill IMF loan's increased storage would yield even crazier returns.) With 6 markets and a 042 imf loan, taking out the loan and then selling it, while under the influence of a flavored trades, I had just over 57k on r40. 51k when the $6500 debt was accounted for. I didn't even sell the flavored trades, but if I had it would be even crazier. Maybe my numbers are off, but that money seems insane. Sadly it's less viable for this week's boss since my boy Ben isn't allowed. But damn if you came up with this idea yourself then you are some kind of genius.
I'm going to have to try this
Okay so I tried a run myself. Resort, medium, benjamin. I bought 5 2/0/0 farms, upgraded one to 2/0/3 at around round 24-25, had to sell a 2/0/0 (upgrading to 2/0/2 first) to afford the bank at the start of 27. Afterwards i upgraded the rest to 2/0/3 and bought two more 0/2/3 and then favored trades.
My defense was dart monkey, tack shooter that I eventually made 3/0/2 at round 28, and a 0/1/2 boat at round 33.
I sold all the banana farms and ended up with $52383 and 201 lives and of course my remaining towers (inc. favored trades)
@@BigDBrian i hope you meant favored trades and not trade empire! But yeah that's still pretty awesome. I never thought bottom crosspath on bank would have a practical use, hell even before bosses I never ever used marketplaces. But now both have their place in meta farming strategies!
Because of bosses, people be optimizing to the max how to get the most money on a monke game
You should go banks with some marketplaces so u have round by round income as well as the injections of cash banks give you
Hbomb is a wizard. The only time I have used banks in the last two years are during impopable games, every other time I use the other two paths.
I had to stand up for my boy the bank. He was being disrespected by the community
@@Hbomb by the community and by NK
Market places are just easier to use and you can’t really beat that, a lot more work for $2000 extra is not worth it plus you can beat the boss with the old farming method easily, so you don’t need extra cash, but thanks for testing this out for us.
Yeah, if you are already winning as is then it's fine. On a harder map this could be useful as that 2k will definitely snowball though the run giving you way more money for the tier 3-5
Could you make a video about the IMF loan and when/how to use it? I have literally no idea when or why it would be used
Why would you get rid of your farms at this point. Id only do it to get more brfs in the 80-90 brf super spam which for me fills the map
They have their difference monkey shop is continuous but small profit (maybe) but you can put a lot of them from getting those profits.
Bank gives a lottttttt of money but it's not continuous so you cant place a lot of them
Shower thought: How does range-increasing towers work on pat fusty? Do they increase the length of his arms?
Well, what’s the best for casual play? I use bottom tier because I’m lazy but what is the best option? Do I do top path and place a banana farmer? Do I use a mid tier and somehow utilise the bank loan? Or do I use bottom tier and trade over seas with my boats?
Thanks for the info SmackDaddyJosh, very cool
No problem!
No matter what I’m still not going to be able to beat t5 elite bloonarius XD
Rip
Can you make optimal strategy about IMF loan with ability? Is it better to use extra money from the ability to make more IFM loans? Or to deposit into banks?
Out of curiosity, what would your prediction on the Banana Farm Paragon's functionality be? That is, if NK is adding paragons for all towers.
they are adding all paras, my best guess is that it would generate crates like brf’s and store a fraction of the money it makes like banks for interests. it also generates lives and probably auto-collects
I would guess an ultra bank that also gives an end of round bonus
the thing is though, a farm paragon would be pretty much useless. By the time you'd be able to afford it (assuming it's in the 300-500k price range) you could also afford a good monkeyopolis, which may not give as much as paragon would but it certainly would give enough so that money isn't an issue. You also don't need to calculate every single banana farm, how much they cost and how much money they made if you're going Opolis, you only care about how many BRFs you can squeeze in its radius.
In short, Monkeopolis does the same job as a hypothetical farm paragon unless you'd want to go super deep into lategame and buy 20 different other paragons, it also requires way less thinking.
@@shalvei_ it would save a ton of space if you think about it
The best farm strategy in bosses when you have to sell you farms for round 40 in this: get ben | get a 200 farm | get another 200 farm | upgrade one 200 farm to 220 | upgrade the other 200 farm to 202 | sell the 202 farm at 1100 dollars for 230 bank (round 17 bank) | get 2 200 farms | when bank is full upgrade the 2 200 farms to 203 and get as many 023 farms as you can but stop farming at round 38 | then you can collect the bank when it’s full and sell everything under a 004 boat
That sounds pretty decent. How much do you typically have for round 40?
@@Hbomb I tested it on end of the road on medium with full mk. I had 61941 dollars when I sold everything. You can make a bit more if you use discount villages properly but I didn’t in this run.
i would recommend marketplace for early game, since its fast and cheap!
I wonder if we are ever going to get the Bloon shredder . And the return of Special Agents like the Tribal Turtle
I wish, but probably not
special agents are basically heroes ig???
I just spam a bunch of 2-03 market places then I do free play then on round one hundred then make a mokey opolists
Fair enough. Sounds like a good time
@@Hbomb trust me it makes free play a walk in the park
I've always tended to use both, since Banks are unmatched in cash generation for their price, and Marketplaces are easy to manage and combo well with other towers. My strat in bosses was always to build up a bunch of 200 farms and then once there are at least 9-10 rounds before the boss spawns, get 2 farms and work on the marketplaces. Since the first tier of a boss really isn't that hard to deal with, keep the banks and sell the marketplaces, then after the boss replace the marketplaces and get more into banks. For their price, banks easily steamroll the most out of every other farm, and the IMF loan ability really can set you up for some crazy shenanigans, like dropping 3 loans for your mini-opolis and build up to the mega-opolis.
Very true. If you can manage to keep a bank then you will win for sure!
@@Hbomb Absolutely. I'd quite love to discuss bank strats, since you can do some crazy things with them, like the interesting nugget of information that some cash generators don't feed into the debt.
Is there a monkey geneva convention? Was there a monkey world war 2? Nuclear weapons exist in BTD6 so there had to be a reason to make them right?
What about 032/042 banks though? Does the less cash generation outweigh the sell back buff
Blackbeard and Gengi, fascinating 😀
Mordecai, I love your names
remember with mk marketplace goves lives which is good for lych and just in general
That is true, the lives are nice
I think the market places are better since you can get a monkey knowledge to give you 1 heart each round which is really good
your thinking is wrong, it is good because it gives you +1 hearts but it doesnt make it any better thank banks which give you more money to stop you from losing lives.
How does the deposit into 4th tier banks MK work into this? is it worth?
It increases ur overall money made by guaranteeing more money per round for the banks
I deposited into the IMF loan once I got it. It is just extra money as it gives it a head start
In my previous btd6 experience, aren’t 023 (compared to 203 marketplaces) marketplaces more profitable??? Or is there some boss strategy I’m not aware of?
The 023 marketplaces do make more money vs 203 *but* you need the on hand money to get valuable bananas *and* the marketplace immediately for it to be more profitable(a 200 farm makes more money than a 020 and the profit increases are spread across two upgrades vs one in valuable bananas). By starting with 200 banana farm spam, then converting them into 203s, you maximize your profit in the first 40 rounds. Beyond round 40, your money snowballs enough to where you *can* buy 023 farms upfront and should.
tl;dr 200 farms are a stronger base farm at the start of a boss event compared to 020 or 002s. 203s are bought in the early game because of a lack of cash, not because of efficiency.
Since bloonarius is easy, and lych’s life taking abilities, Markerplaces will always outperform banks.
The lives are nice, but you can always get those with 0-2-4s once you fill out a monkeyopolis
Banks are confusing, I prefer using top or bottom path because I get how to use them.
Fair enough
How do you work a monkeyopolis into this? What are the comparisons to making a small monkeyopolis pre round 40?
he failed to mention that with benjamin marketplaces make lives
shower thought: How do you sell bananas that come from marketplaces? Do they get sold to random citizens?
#showerthought Where the heck do these monkeys get all the ammunition from?
Some like Boomerang Monkey make some sense because the boomerangs usually return, but then you got so many other towers that fire infinitely even though you would likely only have a limited supply of ammo on hand if it was real life.
Top path for me is the best and i'm not changing my mind
Wait wouldn't monkey knowledge also affect this because of the bigger banks monkey knowledge that would then let the bank get more intreast and more money?
I’ve always used market places never knew this
with all these farming ideas, what would be the ultimate farming formula? is it better to get miniopolis or boat farm? if this video has the best early game farm then you could get monkeyopolis earlier.
I go into a monkeyopolis, but I'm sure it depends on the map
so is this whole bank calculation based on having benjamin? hence he is not available in the current lych run is it better to go with 5 x marketplace instead?
Where do the bloons go when they fall into the bloon trap? And how do they float into the trap when the trap is (seemingly) grounded while bloons float?
Haha, I like it
I instead go to late game and spam hundreds of 420 farms with bottom path tier 5 village with bottom path villages spam with XXXL trap max support sacrifice 520 Super Monkey with each of tier 5 banana farms with ultraboost boosting farms with tons of jungle's bounty including t5 and special operations and spamming bottom path buccaneers on water with elite sniper and benjamin as hero and energizer to finish it off
Now that'll make some serious dough
the market place does produce more with the middle crosspath (:
The only time you’d wanna go middle path is if you save up enough money to immediately upgrade a farm from 000 to 023, otherwise if you place down a farm as soon as you have enough money, when working your way up to a market place it’s better to go with the top path first because the farm makes you more money before it becomes a marketplace.
Yup. But it has a worse build up
Fun story: if you test which farm makes more money in sandbox, the banks are always the worst.
Ben and 042 is best strategy. If you good macro
Deposit go brrr
Is it advisable to get 2-0-3 farms because the build-up is accessible via already existing 2-0-0 farms? Or should i still strive to get 0-2-3 farms because they're more efficient?
But doesn’t a valuable banana also make more money then the other one would it make sense to sell it in order to go for it?
Valuable banana does make more money. I'm not sure what you mean by sell it in order to go for it though. Sell a marketplace?
Both together :) I always have a bank and a market
They do make a good combo
@@Hbomb yeah you can get a lot of banks easily and with like 5 bank full you can buy a 320 super monkey if you are a simp of it or something
What is the best HERO to use in a BOSS Battle (excluding Ben) ?
I like Sauda for the easy early game
@@Hbomb cool man thanks for answering
Fun fact: mid path market place gives more money then top path
Yessir. And it is cheaper
Me who uses 4-2-0 farms and doesn’t understand the other two options: wat
Ok wait. If you have the mk to deposit money in the bank. You can deposit everything you're not using increasing the effectiveness of the bank right?
You can't deposit into banks anymore. Only the tier 4s, which I did deposit into
@@Hbomb ohhhh ok
I haven't used banks in so long
They're so good though
@@Hbomb I should probably use banks again, I got addicted to marketplaces 😂
Could you make a video covering bank deposits? They are so confusing
Sure!
But why don't just go top path
shower thoughts: If a x3x druid can pop a test balloon, why cant it one shot any balloon over a ceramic? Is the thorn too small or does it lose motivation when it sees a big balloon?
Vine too small, happens to the best of us
Vine too small, lmao
Yea
The reason I was wondering is because what if there was an army of vines.
@@riboy1233 sure there can be many vines, but none is large enough to deathhug a moab
Of course it's the monkeyopolis
Very true
@@Hbomb I'm always sayin facts my guy
In conclusion: sseth's strategy is the best
Sure!
Which marketplace crosspath is better?
2-0-3s when building them from scratch. 0-2-3s if you can afford the whole thing
nice
Thanks
the one who use banana plantation: ._.
Rip them
Why do you sell the farms, isn’t it better to keep them the whole time into free play? Or is that not the way for free play?
He sells them so he can buy defenses to beat the boss in the boss event. He mainly talked about farming for boss events in this guide
making money IS fun
Yes, yes it is
Epok
Epic
I use marketplace because banks are scary lol
Banks are scary