A (brief) Biblical Case for Arminianism, Part 1: Total Depravity
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Arminianism is defined by the 5 Points of Remonstrance:
F - Freed to believe (i.e. Prevenient Grace)
A - Atonement for All
C - Conditional Election
T - Total Depravity
S - Security in Christ
In this video, I outline a Biblical case for Total Depravity, looking at the nature of man after the Fall, as well as the contributions of Satan to our state.
For more, check out my past video "A Cumulative Scriptural Case for Inability & Our Need for Prevenient Grace": • A Cumulative Scriptura...
Further reading:
- Gospel Encounter, "Richard Watson on the origin of Depravity: “the withdrawing of that Spirit from Adam” (1832)": gospelencounter.wordpress.com...
- Gospel Encounter, "James Arminius on the origin of depravity / 'original sin'" : gospelencounter.wordpress.com...
- Travis Carden, "A sweeping survey of the biblical support for the doctrine of Total Depravity": gospelencounter.wordpress.com...
- Brian Abasciano, "The FACTS of Salvation: A Summary of Arminian Theology/the Biblical Doctrines of Grace": evangelicalarminians.org/the-...
- "The Five Articles of Remonstrance (1610)": beyondcalvinism.blogspot.com/...
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:50 - What are the 5-points of Arminianism?
02:25 - A look at Total Depravity
02:54 - Where do we find Total Depravity in Scripture?
03:34 - Are we born with this nature?
05:51 - Which is it? Are we born unable, or is Satan deceiving us?
06:31 - Passages that show impossibility to believe
07:26 - Did God Create us this way? With total inability only to give it back with Prevenient Grace?
08:14 - What about this "hostility toward God"? Why would He create us hostile to Himself?
09:33 - How did mankind become Satan's "offspring"?
Great video! As a fellow Arminian you have a new subscriber 👍
I'm a devout Presbyterian, and by nature a devout Calvinist, but make no mistake, seeing someone articulate the Arminian position in a thorough manner like this is informing, and entertaining. Many Arminians it seems don't care to articulate their theology as Calvinists do. I thank you, my brother, for putting something like this together as a resource.
Thank you for the positive case
So then Jesus was born totally depraved? Or do you deny that He came in the flesh, the same flesh as us?
Did you watch the video to the end? I think you've misunderstood depravity, and so your question is a false dilemma. Your question would only make sense if we denied the Deity of the Lord Jesus and denied that the Spirit of God was with Him, but we affirm both.
The problem with fallen man isn't the flesh per se, but the flesh without the Spirit of God. Adam before the fall was truly man, but was not "totally depraved"; regenerate Christians today are truly human but are not "totally depraved". To have flesh does not mean total depravity, rather to lack the Spirit of God means total depravity.
That last quote I shared sort of sums it up: Why is fallen man corrupt? "In this state of alienation from God men are born, with all these tendencies to evil, because the only controlling and sanctifying power, the presence of the Spirit, is wanting”
Was the Lord Jesus ever wanting or lacking the Spirit of God? No.
So it is true the Lord Jesus came "in the likeness of sinful flesh" (Rom 8:3) and that He was like us “in every respect . . . yet without sin” (Heb. 4:15). But He was never lacking God, He is truly God. And He had the Father and Holy Spirit's presence with Him: "He who sent Me is with Me. He has not left Me alone" (John 8:29), "I am not alone, for the Father is with me" (John 16:32), cf John 5:19-20, 30; 8:28-29, 42; 14:10, 24; Matt. 12:28; Luke 4:18; Acts 1:2, 10:38.
@@thearminians Thank you for the thoughtful response. I believe there is one major flaw in this doctrine of yours: If Jesus always had the Holy Spirit, then how was He tempted in all ways such as we were? Seems to me, according to your doctrine, He therefore had a great advantage over us. And therefore, His sinlessness was not something overly impressive.
And conversely, once we also have the Holy Spirit (are born again), then we are lacking nothing and can live sinlessly just like He did, correct?
@@paul3441When do you think He lacked the Holy Spirit’s presence? I would suggest the Spirit was with Him from His conception (Matt 1:18, Luke 1:35 -- and it would seem a strange thing if John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb, Luke 1:15, but the Lord Jesus was not). He certainly had the Spirit when he was tempted in the wilderness, since it was right before that the Spirit descended on Him like a dove (Matt. 3:16), and it was the Spirit that led Him into the Wilderness (Matt 4:1). And see again the passages I already shared in my first reply to you.
Remember too, the Lord Jesus was “truly God and truly man” (as the Creed of Chalcedon puts it), so I'm not sure what alternative you might have in mind that would “impress” you. I assume you don't deny the Lord’s divinity.
And then remember that even non-believers, though not regenerate nor indwelt, do have the Spirit striving with them (Gen 6:3) & convicting them (John 16:8): ruclips.net/video/fsSUpqG-mCo/видео.htmlsi=RgBEeTPuNIA6fnni
Re entire sanctification/ sinless perfection, yes, I agree. A regenerate believer can be entirely sanctified, though we still face an environment inclined to sin, temptation & deception from Satan, our own old habits & ideas, infirmities of the body, and imperfect knowledge. I'd recommend John Wesley's tract “A Plain Account of Christian Perfection”.
I'm actually surprised there are entire groups of Armenians who hold to total depravity. Most of the Armenians I'm familiar with hold to the Armenian belief of free will being the mechanism by which we each take on sin. The doctrine of total depravity is consistent only with a belief that Christ, being fully human, was born sinful by dint of His humanity.
Arminians believed in "Freed will," that grace is necessary to make righteous choices.
But your idea of Jesus needing a sin nature if we have one, that is not a sound idea.
@@Dizerner It's not my idea and it's not a sound one. To believe that every human is born with original sin (Calvinism) is to tacitly admit that Christ (fully human) was born sinful. An Arminian view posits that Christ was born sinless with the free will to choose to sin but did not.
@@leviwarren6222 Arminians believe in Original Sin, that all except Christ are born with a sin nature. Although Christ became human, he was grafted into the human race without a male involvement, showing he bypassed the sin nature we are born with.
I think there is a historical case to be made that Original Sin need not be inheriting the guilt of sin from Adam, but instead inheriting the nature of sin (that is, the inclination and tendency towards sin) from Adam. In this understanding, Christ need only have experienced temptation as we do, not to have sinned or been sinful (as we see in Hebrews 4:15)
You seem to be assuming that we think to be "fully human" is to be totally depraved, but that is not the case. Adam before the fall was "fully human", but was not totally depraved; regenerate Christians today are "fully human" but are not totally depraved. To be human does not mean total depravity, rather to lack the Spirit of God means total depravity.
That last quote I shared in the video sort of sums it up: Why is fallen man corrupt? "In this state of alienation from God men are born, with all these tendencies to evil, because the only controlling and sanctifying power, the presence of the Spirit, is wanting”
Was the Lord Jesus ever wanting or lacking the Spirit of God? No.