Grudgingly Moving from Cakewalk by Bandlab to Cubase
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2024
- I am grudgingly moving to Cubase from Cakewalk by Bandlab. It's been a long road for this to happen. I express my opinion, and it's just that, my opinion. Some people are happy with Cakewalk, some aren't. This is just my view. Apologies for the low-end drone, and infrequent static. I'm using my Webcam mic in this vid (and installing a Cubase demo in the background! :)...
What makes it so difficult is that it's like losing an old friend or after a girlfriend breakup. That feeling comes across in the video here and there. Just have to move on. %$#@!
I've used cakewalk (among other DAWs) since 09. Every plugin I've ever used and control(surface or midi keyboard) was supported by cakewalk. You can do pretty much anything you want in it. And it's more stable now than ever. So nah
Agreed, this is the rant of a person who feels burned and is justifying their decision!
I have to disagree on many points you make. I've been a CW user since about 2004, and as a far as I know, Cakewalk has ALWAYS got the shaft when anyone talked about DAWs. I think it had something to do with the fact that originally, Cakewalk was only for MIDI, and somehow people still believe it's only a MIDI editor and not a full-fledged DAW. My current controller is a Native Instruments A61 keyboard and I bought it despite the fact that it's not officially compatible with Cakewalk for all controls. But it plays with Komplete Kontrol just fine, so I'm happy. Also, Cakewalk has Vocal Align built in, at least a simpler version of it, but it works really well. I'm not sure what Bandlab has planned, but they are adding features and making it more stable every month, so I'm happy. There is always going to be uncertainty. Look what happened when Gibson was charging $$ for it, that was arguably worse than getting it for free now. Just because something is free doesn't mean it's bad.
If it's important to you that your computer software be part of some imaginary "gang," then yes, it's probably best that you use a product that gets "mentioned" more than Cakewalk. Sonar became an abandoned product while it was being developed as payware. If you think that being payware is any guarantee that a program will continue to be developed to its betterment....well, look at Sonar. Logic for Windows. Deck....Acid Pro went for 10 years without an update, now it's been 3 years since its last release. It was payware the whole time. If Yamaha suddenly decides that they no longer want to be in the DAW business and want to focus on motorcycles and construction equipment, Cubase will get kicked to the curb just like any number of other technologies that they have acquired and dumped over the years. Not suggesting that anyone avoid Cubase, it's great, Studio One's great, Ableton's great, Digital Performer, Logic, Mixcraft, REAPER, they (and Cakewalk) are all really good programs for making music. Just don't believe that you can be sure of any longevity or market dominance in software. WordStar, Word Perfect, dBASE, Lotus 1-2-3, some mighty programs and companies have ruled the market and then lost it over the years.Use the DAW that works best for you. If you think that being freeware reduces the chance of compatibility with other things, I don't mean to scare you, but how much did the browser you're using to read this cost you? If it bothers you that there's no Cakewalk logo on your MIDI controller's box then you should use something else (but maybe not Digital Performer, Waveform, Mixcraft, Samplitude, Reason, or MuLab because their logos probably aren't on it either). It's not a good idea to keep all your DAW eggs in one basket anyway. Stay functionally proficient at more than one. I use Cakewalk and Mixcraft, and have a license for Studio One as well. BandLab has now been developing it longer than Gibson had it, and have done a great job. If they stop doing a great job, I'm blessed with a plethora of backup choices. I will also say that just because a company says they support another company's product doesn't mean it's going to work flawlessly and just because they don't mention it doesn't mean that it won't work fine. In my 4 years of using Cakewalk by BandLab, with a collection of hundreds of plug-ins, I've had exactly one instance where another company's plug-in didn't work properly, and switching to the VST2 version instead of the VST3 version solved the issue.
I've been using Cakewalk by Bandlab for 2 years now and haven't had any issues with plugins being recognized and loading. I also have a Presonus Faderport which works well with it. I think it boils down to finding resources to help with configuring CBB to suit your needs.😎
I think you are suffering from the very real phenomenon that marketeers call price perception.The belief that anything cheap or free can't have much value and that more expensive products must be better purely because they are more expensive. All these DAWs however are merely tools and in the right hands well crafted music is DAW agnostic- I still have music in rotation on shows like Keeping up with the Kardashians that I made with Sonar 8.5 which was over 10yrs old by the time I jumped to Cakewalk by Bandlab. Cakewalk has gotten better and more stable under Bandlab's ownership and I've even been able to speak directly with the Devs and had some tweaks and suggestions implemented which I never could have done under previous regimes. I don't pretend to know what Bandlab's end game is and I'm not sure they do either. They certainly don't appear to be after our money. I get the impression that as son of a billionaire with his own music company Meng was likely a Sonar fan himself and was able to secure his and many others favourite DAW - and I'm cool with that if keeps it alive and updated. I'm one of the few that I know using CBB for professional music that gets used in media but the clients who listen to the finished tracks don't know that, and it's the music that counts at the end of the day.
Absolutely!
disagree. bandlab has fixed and added many features since the acquisition. if market share grows enough, it wont be ignored. support is superb and the forum is active with developers responding and a positive community. who cares if it's currently being "ignored" by not being listed in other developers' listings, it works with everything I've thrown at it thus far and the developers are quick and eager to help. maybe you should ride it out for a while longer since it's free and all and you already know it very well. kinda sounds like you care more about it being legitimized by having a price tag than by its actual performance
I'm tryna make an album on cakewalk. It does pretty damn well for someone like me who has a song in my heart but only 200 dollars for the studio budget
@JunkHeap So I am guessing you may be please with the news that Bandlab willbe launching New Sonar as a paid product ? Inherently it won't be hugely diffrent to CbB but will have a new high DPI interface which is long overdue. Would be interested in your views on this and how much you think is a fair price. I hope it will bring manufacturers back onboard and we will see Sonar columns in our favourite music mags once again.
Did you just say that documentation for VSTs and audio interfaces don't mention Cakewalk, even though those are based on standards that have nothing to do with the DAW being used?
Absolutely 100% of my almost 200 paid and free plug-ins work perfectly, as do my audio drivers of four different interfaces, all show up as expected across all of my DAWs.
Just because a company doesn't mention a specific DAW in it's marketing material, doesn't mean that it doesn't work -- that is the point of standards and protocols like VST, MIDI, WAV, ASIO, etc. This is coming from someone who mostly uses Reaper and Bitwig now, and who has never been a big Cakewalk fan.
In regards to midi interfaces being configured and mapped to work with a DAW, it usually comes from the DAW developers or community projects. I don't think it has as much to do with the company who built the controller itself, so this could be a frustration with Cakewalk.
I do understand the apprehension with using a free product to do professional work, but it isn’t always that black and white. Look at amazing free and open-source products like Davinci Resolve, python (the language), Google suite and Chrome, Linux, etc. It really just comes down to whether or not the product works for you in it's current iteration, that's a personal preference.
Never had a problem on producing music with CbB. Instead of replacing with something else, I chose to stay and support them. There is an immense CbB society out there, growing every day, and there are always a tons of workarounds against any problem. By supporting this software other developing companies are really starting to take it seriously because otherwise they just stay out of this huge pie.
This is kinda the same story that happens to sawstudio back in the day . Daws and music evolved so much on the industry this days that for a humble company is really hard to stay update . I can not imagine pro tools or cubase on 2040 stop being the standards 😳 the most creepy thing is the fact that can actually happens . I'm a cubase 11 pro user but i hope steinberg still up over the years because everything can happens
The problem is that bullshit music flooded the mainstream and daws that cater the glitchy, loopy todays music is taking over. If you want quality soundtracks they are usually in film scoring or video game music. That's where most of the musically literate people are. Not EDM or Autotune shit hop genres. Another huge factor is how the world is materialistic and hungrier than ever before.
I still don't get what you saying man
Guess he is saying some plug inside don't work with cakewalk
I learn how to used cakewalk back in the days when theyre still only for Midi😂, can't remember the exact year but maybe 1998 - many years later I have a chance to become cakewalk demonstrator for a local distributor. Now its free and i'll keep using it. btw im longer serious in music production but I will choose Cubase if comparing this both for mixing.
How bad dose it get. Will sound plugins
( native instruments , Piano tec and such ) work with the new cakewalk?
Lol - don’t listen to the hysteria, all my plugins work with cakewalk flawlessly!
awesome info
I disagree, but you've been heard, because Cakewalk Sonar is going to be a paid version (and I dislike it) I noticed it too that Cakewalk is always excluded, but you don't give in to bully tactics. Most DAW are overpriced software. I started with Cubase but couldn't keep up because of hard times in my life. And therefor I'm grateful Cakewalk made it possible for me to get back on track. I will support it as long as I can.
so, all Im hearing is a lot of politics I dont care about and not about the features. right
Well why you complain if it is just free and like telling poor people to be outcasted from the expensive daw's? I am disappointed!
I would agree only in that Cakewalk has been treated as sort of the redheaded stepchild of the bunch, but it has had its trials and tribulations. I have always loved Cakewalk. I used it in the 1990s on Windows 3.1, with my old Yamaha PSR keyboard with General MIDI. Used it to write some music for video games. Used it in 1996-97 when composing music for the video game 101 Airborne: The Airborne Invasion of Normandy, along with a Kurzweil K2500XS (another good brand that had its problems). Stopped composing for a while, as I was actually primarily a software engineer and only wrote music on the side for fun. Later picked up SONAR in 2009 when I went back to college to finish up a degree and worked towards a music minor. Took a composition class and used SONAR along with Native Instruments VST plugins and early version of East/West sounds Symphonic Orchestra. I had to really catch up after over 10 years of doing nothing with music with DAWs. Huge learning curve and Cakewalk was quite different, yet strangely familiar. After that, I once again put away my music, since I had a family that needed my attention. Well, today, kids are 1 and 2 years from heading off to college, and I'm going have free time. I've been struggling whether to pick back up with Cakewalk or purchase one of the others. I am not as concerned with purchasing vs. free. Since I am starting over again, I've been researching DAWs and asking myself, do I continue with Cakewalk, which I have always enjoyed, but has had a rocky history of support. Or do I go mainstream with something like Cubase or FL Studio. I think I've decided to start with Cakewalk to get my groove back, then maybe transition to Cubase if I decide to get more serious with it.
RUclips keeps deleting my comments.. I can't seem to tell you my story on software.
WowI was thinking going Cakewalk instead of Studio one but now I hear its a Singaporian golden boy sun of a palmoil tycoon who got the business from daddy whorunsthe thing...no thanks, I prefer to pay the people for their job! 15 euros per month is nothing for clean business!!!
Must be nice to have money
Erm mics clipping bro 🙉