@@laker09champ72so does lebron and he gets knocked for taking the last shot every time 🤦♂️ lol I’ve never heard the argument “Jokic doesn’t have that killer instinct” cause it don’t matter. He knows the game and makes the right play everytime
@@papanonstoppa9686 bro, we both know that if we praise lebron for being a perfect teammate that knows how to play perfect basketball, we'll be crucified. remember the discussions few games ago when he was berated for passing it to CAM and people started calling him as soft as no killer instinct as if there were no 3 HEAT players flying and guarding him?
That’s what I was saying live, how did they not call that? Refs were on the Clippers’ side the entire game, per usual. Thankfully the Nuggets are good enough, even without Murray, to win.
Refs give a lot of leeway when it comes to traveling, especially if you shoot at the end of it. That just must be how they’ve been instructed to officiate, you see it in every game nowadays. This example isn’t even that bad, he maybe took 4 steps but a ref isn’t going to stop the game over that.
@@Bhubnipzyour opinion but ya gotta call the game the way it should be called,getting away with travels obviously leads to an advantage to score,dnt look at me the great Rick Barry said it.
The most disappointing thing is seeing Kawhi's production on offense decrease this season and having James Harden there isn't going to help matters either.
@@stanmarsh5030 Not until LeBron retires I hope. I am holding out hope that the Clippers wake up to the mistake they have made by loading up their roster like this and ship Harden off. They play better with him off the floor. I have also noticed PG always trying to do his own thing on offense and almost never giving the ball up. Clippers can lose him too and get a good center for him somehow. Kawhi and Russ surrounded by the likes of Mann, Hyland, Powell and a better center than Zubac should help them out a lot.
Clippers got Harden for insurance….thinking Leonard or George was going to be out at some point. But how he would/wouldn’t work with Westbrook was completely disregarded.
At the moment, Jokic is top 4 in the league at PPG, RPG and APG. He is averaging 3.1 PPG and 4.2 APG more away from leading the league at PPG, RPG and APG and he's doing that while playing in the team with the best record in the league, without the 2nd best player of the team. Ok...
yeah rt, at least they are being talked about. If thedy trade everybody thet will go back to being irrelevent at the time they are trying to get a stadium
I think I've realized why the clippers are so bad. They have no schemes on defense and the offense is too rudimentary. It looks like the defensive plan is "y'all are good defenders, go do what you do" 😂😂. Ok one play they weren't even really playing defense because they were all looking around to see who was gonna have to rotate to pick up harden's man😭
They knew Harden's issues before they traded for him. The question is WHY did they go through with it. Clippers just seem like a franchise that is never going to get it done.
@@alexnather7614 did you watch the game? They looked confused af half the time. Only reason they were close was Paul went off and james had a decent game
"We didn't get the same calls" Right. Clips got the better whistle especially at the end. That over and back non call was atrocious, as was the missed travel.
They do it like 2 times a yr, everyone is aware who they are and that it’s all jokes. Plus the fact the show has 4 guys who don’t care about “getting cancelled”
I love inside the nba, they truly dig into all 30 teams and the players! You can learn a lot about basketball if you don’t know it, by watching this show.
The Clippers have the same problems with the Warriors. They are very fast, very potent offensive teams with their smallball line-ups. Scoring is never gonna be the problem with the talent that they have. But they are always getting killed inside. Rebounds is one of the major concerns, but more important than scoring & rebounds, the one thing that wins you rings - DEFENSE. Particularly defense inside the paint - the Achilles heel of smallball line-ups.
@@mrblackman1992_You’re saying that now because SGA is an all nba player, but PG was a far better player at the time and is a tremendous player when available. And let’s allow the Harden trade to actually play out.
@@mrblackman1992_ Pg was and is still a good player which worked for then. If sga turned out bad, you'd say otherwise. With harden we already knew what they were getting. Player wise and off the court wise
You know what’s funny about their response the amount of kid gloves that is give to kawhi and the clippers. Last year when my lakers was losing early there was jokes flying left and right, Charles was trolling us and saying he didn’t want to talk about us.
You can tell Ernie enjoys the new tournament. There's something about direct match ups that makes it interesting. Seems like the NBA did a good job with it after all, I was the first one to hate on the idea. The courts are terrible tho.
Yo they got a lot of freedom on the inside the NBA show. Ernie b tryin to keep it professional while Shaq, Kenny, n Charles b playin around too much lol
Why do the Clippers have such blind allegiance to having all four of the stars start? Forget the starting 5 mentality, have an A squad and a B squad, experiment with combinations of players and win the rhythm battle. Harden and Kawhi slow ball, George and Russ play the fast game or whatever the most effective combos are. I’m obviously not a coach, but the four of them on the court together just does not work.
The Clippers need Boogie he gonna hold everybody accountable get kick out a few games, fight a couple teammates/opponents, curse the coach out and try to fight a ref or 2 but he a big body who can rebound and shoot.
Man, this team is so different from that 2014 Spurs team Kawhi was on. The ball stopping and your turn-my turn mentality is tough to watch: I just miss ball movement and defensive effort around Kawhi
Clippers actually played pretty well. They definitely need to move more on offense and kawhi just had a bad offensive game. But more important, ty lue had a bad coaching game because small ball late in the 4th quarter against jokic and russ benched was not the way to go
Was watching the highlight of LAC-DEN,and was wondering if the ball went in or not...would be interesting to watch if the hoop light up when the ball went in...
It’s a tall man’s league. They needed long wings or another center more than James Harden. I understand why they treated for him, especially with the history of injuries with Kawhi, Leonard and Paul George, but this makes you wonder if it was worth it.
Westbrook proved in his last season with the Lakers that he can still be very effective on the boards and scoring when coming off of the bench. The Clippers coaching staff will have to figure out which lineup will be best for all 4 stars.
Ty has to figure out style of play but he has guides with Boston and Miami styles during the big 3 era. The last part falls on the players because they’re going to have make sacrifices to their game.
They were better WITHOUT Harden but still had NO chance to get to the Finals let alone win a Title. With that said, they had to make a move. Unfortunately, they made the wrong one. It’s pretty simple and always surprises me that the powers that be don’t see it. They need a knock down spot up 3pt shooter that doesn’t need the ball, high IQ and plays defense. Then they needed a Javale Mcgee type big that runs the floor and protects the rim to complement Zubac. It’s not rocket science.
@@timmartin2417 it’s relevant because he stated they can’t coexist when James was a 6th man off the bench at that time. Which alluding to the fact the only way this can work now is only if Westbrook or Harden come off the bench for the clippers experiment to work.
Kenny saying "you think russ needs the ball?" As an argument is legitimately one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Russ is a huge negative without the ball
This In Season Tournament is just another way to promote and sell jerseys. The designs on the courts is a nice change, yet if you're seeking to major in Graphic Design, Art, Engineering, and Construction!
Winning both trophies will be a new mark of the truly GREAT teams in the NBA. If I was Steph or Lebron, every little bit of hardware is going to matter. I think the Cup is the perfect type of trophy for Lebron. It's not about grinding through the season and the playoffs; it's about playing at your highest level in key moments or in key games. I think one-and-done will be great for older players and younger teams. BUT the best teams will still be the best teams and have an advantage.
Size wise you can compare BOS to LAC, and they can defend and score. Kenny was on point--Ty Lue need to change some plays and roles for LAC. On paper, there's no doubt that they are the best scoring team to be if you see those All Star names.
Late game situations… you always have a closer. It needs to be Leonard and harden. Let westbrook and pg stat stuff throughout the game. 4th quarter? Let Kawhi and harden run the show
My god i have been calling out zubac. And they said it. Every starter is a positive no matter how disappointing. But zubac is straught losing the team points . Put diabate
@@student99bg real plus minus. +/- on its own doesn't take into account who was on the floor with you and who was othe other side. Becuase 50 points vs second string does not equal 50 points vs strong players. Also how you perform with the team you have matters
Clippers know no one is going to feel sorry for them . . because they got 4 all-star players who will eventually be in the hall or Fame . . So they have to figure out . . Especially if there are going to win a championship this year 🏆
They gotta play similar to the 08 Celtics. Let Westbrook be your rondo. Harden be your Paul pierce . He has to stop holding the ball. PG come off screens and pin downs like Ray. And kawhi play the middle like KG
"She told me it seems longer." Chuck is too funny man 😂😂
Clock on the stove 😂😂😂😂
Thats what she said
Shaqs face trying to hold it together was priceless
😂😂😂
That clock on the stove joke gets me every time 😂😂😂
Legendary, I remember how they cut it out on the Mothers Day and Kenny threw an alley-oop to Chuck about the clock joke 🤣
EVERY. FXCKIN. TIME. 👏🏾☠️
On bhudda I just screamed when I heard that😂😂
ESPN would never allow this 😂
@@Vince-tt1uj Wait idu they did the joke and it was cut so they did it again when CWebb was there?
I love how Jokic plays the game. Hes like the perfect teammate, he wants everyone involved
No, he’s the perfect basketball player.
That's how you play basketball bud
He has a knack for making the right decision almost every time.
@@laker09champ72so does lebron and he gets knocked for taking the last shot every time 🤦♂️ lol I’ve never heard the argument “Jokic doesn’t have that killer instinct” cause it don’t matter. He knows the game and makes the right play everytime
@@papanonstoppa9686 bro, we both know that if we praise lebron for being a perfect teammate that knows how to play perfect basketball, we'll be crucified. remember the discussions few games ago when he was berated for passing it to CAM and people started calling him as soft as no killer instinct as if there were no 3 HEAT players flying and guarding him?
That watch joke is timeless
As soon as I heard him start I was begging for him to say it, un cancellable
Did you mean to make that play on words lol
Paul George clearly traveled.😂 IDK how the refs missed those 4 steps he took. Nuggets should've won by 6+.
That’s what I was saying live, how did they not call that? Refs were on the Clippers’ side the entire game, per usual. Thankfully the Nuggets are good enough, even without Murray, to win.
Refs give a lot of leeway when it comes to traveling, especially if you shoot at the end of it. That just must be how they’ve been instructed to officiate, you see it in every game nowadays. This example isn’t even that bad, he maybe took 4 steps but a ref isn’t going to stop the game over that.
It's the NBA we should know this by now🤷🏽♂️🍻🍺
Its a travel, but a 3 step travel just fyi
@@Bhubnipzyour opinion but ya gotta call the game the way it should be called,getting away with travels obviously leads to an advantage to score,dnt look at me the great Rick Barry said it.
The most disappointing thing is seeing Kawhi's production on offense decrease this season and having James Harden there isn't going to help matters either.
U think Kawhi goes to Lakers next?
@@stanmarsh5030 Not until LeBron retires I hope. I am holding out hope that the Clippers wake up to the mistake they have made by loading up their roster like this and ship Harden off. They play better with him off the floor. I have also noticed PG always trying to do his own thing on offense and almost never giving the ball up. Clippers can lose him too and get a good center for him somehow. Kawhi and Russ surrounded by the likes of Mann, Hyland, Powell and a better center than Zubac should help them out a lot.
@@VinayakPande53clippers traded nothing for James Harden
Clippers got Harden for insurance….thinking Leonard or George was going to be out at some point.
But how he would/wouldn’t work with Westbrook was completely disregarded.
Kawhi should have never left the raptors
Kenny trying to cancel Chuck with that Watch question 😂
3:14 that was a clear travel from PG...
4 steps 😂😂😂
Travelling is passé, we no longer call that
At the moment, Jokic is top 4 in the league at PPG, RPG and APG. He is averaging 3.1 PPG and 4.2 APG more away from leading the league at PPG, RPG and APG and he's doing that while playing in the team with the best record in the league, without the 2nd best player of the team. Ok...
They don’t have the best record technically
@@aaronfiske929 As far as I know, 9-2 is better record then 8-2.
These joker fans are getting out of hand. we get it he’s really good and he was slept on for a few years before he won, give it a rest
@@pineapplegamer6986 You can write accurate facts about your favourite players, no one will ask you to stop it.
Jokic dickriders post their excelsheet in every nba video
It is so annoying
Time for the clippers to trade everybody and rebuild including Ty lue 😂😂😂
FR. I have no clue why they benched Zubac in the last 3 mins of the fourth, The nuggets had 8 straight easy points in the paint.
Add their GM to the package 😂
Ty lue is a great coach it’s the gm that’s bad
Yeah FR but they're not gonna do that with the fancy new arena they need to fill with stars.
yeah rt, at least they are being talked about. If thedy trade everybody thet will go back to being irrelevent at the time they are trying to get a stadium
I think I've realized why the clippers are so bad. They have no schemes on defense and the offense is too rudimentary. It looks like the defensive plan is "y'all are good defenders, go do what you do" 😂😂. Ok one play they weren't even really playing defense because they were all looking around to see who was gonna have to rotate to pick up harden's man😭
Ty Lue never had any schemes. He's worse than Doc.
their improving they just went toe to toe with denver
They knew Harden's issues before they traded for him. The question is WHY did they go through with it. Clippers just seem like a franchise that is never going to get it done.
@@alexnather7614 did you watch the game? They looked confused af half the time. Only reason they were close was Paul went off and james had a decent game
too small no one can stop the bigs of the other team. Look at gordon just dunking on them.
"We didn't get the same calls"
Right. Clips got the better whistle especially at the end. That over and back non call was atrocious, as was the missed travel.
Best on TV not even a debate.
Cant believe Kenny and Chuck did the clock on the stove bit again! Cant be doing that these days, guys 😂
They do it like 2 times a yr, everyone is aware who they are and that it’s all jokes. Plus the fact the show has 4 guys who don’t care about “getting cancelled”
@@334ben10 'getting cancelled' isn't a thing anymore
@@doedoe9307 yes it is
Timeless 😂
Since San Antonio is somewhat relevant again I can’t wait to hear about those BIG OL’ WOMEN
Chuck only has three jokes, and yet I laugh every time!
That miracle 3 point shot made at end of 3rd quarter ended up being the difference 🥶
The two missed FTs by Reggie jackson*
Far from a miracle
Every play made the difference. It's what you choose to remember as the difference maker
Reference to the Morris Peterson shot. Respect.
I love inside the nba, they truly dig into all 30 teams and the players! You can learn a lot about basketball if you don’t know it, by watching this show.
love this show. always brightens my day with humor. Also Denver looks unstoppable. i hope they win again
The Clippers have the same problems with the Warriors. They are very fast, very potent offensive teams with their smallball line-ups. Scoring is never gonna be the problem with the talent that they have. But they are always getting killed inside. Rebounds is one of the major concerns, but more important than scoring & rebounds, the one thing that wins you rings - DEFENSE. Particularly defense inside the paint - the Achilles heel of smallball line-ups.
Clippers played a good game. Denver is just the best team in the league. James Harden HAS to be Manu Ginobli and come off the bench though.
Paul George, walking to the moon 😂😂😂
Reggie killing his old team, love it!
Can’t go small against Denver.
Lue is in denial, he knows he’s got work to do lol
Clippers have made alot of good trades for the past few years but the Harden trade is definitely their worst one
Nah SGA for PG that’s the worst one but the harden trade second
@@mrblackman1992_You’re saying that now because SGA is an all nba player, but PG was a far better player at the time and is a tremendous player when available. And let’s allow the Harden trade to actually play out.
@@369pendulumits playing out & they to small they have no good defenders
@@mrblackman1992_ Pg was and is still a good player which worked for then. If sga turned out bad, you'd say otherwise. With harden we already knew what they were getting. Player wise and off the court wise
@@gloryroad7452 It’s 5 games. Once they bring him off the bench they’ll look much better. They’re small, but that can be addressed.
You know what’s funny about their response the amount of kid gloves that is give to kawhi and the clippers. Last year when my lakers was losing early there was jokes flying left and right, Charles was trolling us and saying he didn’t want to talk about us.
Good analysis from Sir Charles.
How is anyone else considered MVP over jokic? He makes triple doubles look so easy.
Nba is a product. The majority of the league MVPs since 2000 should be shared between Shaq Kobe Bron Giannis Jokic
I loved to see a stacked team like the Clippers get beat.
Yeah stacked with have beens 😂
If and when they figure it out it’s going to be dangerous
@@mrbubbles293 exactly, @rickbackous1041 is a casual lol. stacked with what? old people? watch the game before you talk rick 😂😂
stacked?
@JaysonT975 Old? They're not washed up, so yes, stacked.
This show is pure class. :)
This cut is gold in camaraderie comedy and wisdom.
What was that BS about the clippers being the team in LA 😂😂😂😂
I love those folks😂
You can tell Ernie enjoys the new tournament. There's something about direct match ups that makes it interesting. Seems like the NBA did a good job with it after all, I was the first one to hate on the idea. The courts are terrible tho.
The guys re-using the clock on the stove joke after 20 years 😂
Chaotic offense and barely any defense. Yeah that'll work
Ty lue really benched the only reason they were in the game in the first place 😂
The im gonna knock you out intro music killt me 🤣🤣🤣
Clock on the stove 💀💀💀
Yo they got a lot of freedom on the inside the NBA show. Ernie b tryin to keep it professional while Shaq, Kenny, n Charles b playin around too much lol
It seems like the only way to make a super team work is to have guys like steph and klay who can play off ball really well
Why do the Clippers have such blind allegiance to having all four of the stars start? Forget the starting 5 mentality, have an A squad and a B squad, experiment with combinations of players and win the rhythm battle. Harden and Kawhi slow ball, George and Russ play the fast game or whatever the most effective combos are. I’m obviously not a coach, but the four of them on the court together just does not work.
Preach Sir! I was saying that on another discussion thread.
LNP
I don't know about y'all, but these dudes like family
“We didn’t get the same calls”. Oldest excuse in the book.
The Clippers need Boogie he gonna hold everybody accountable get kick out a few games, fight a couple teammates/opponents, curse the coach out and try to fight a ref or 2 but he a big body who can rebound and shoot.
Boogie and accountable doesn't belong in the same sentence
@@dreamz701 🤔 Ummm!! I thought I listed all the ways he’s not reliable. It’s a joke.
Boogie can keep up with the modern basketball game. He’s too slow.
@@bandito241 They said that when he was in college to and he was a Top 5 pick
PG traveled , how tf did refs not see that ?
It's the NBA they encourage travelers instead of calling it
Can the coach challenge that?
@@amifiii265 3 steps is still travel
I thought so too, but I guess they counted it as him gathering his step and going up?…
He was gathering for the jump. This aint 1980s&90s. The rules allow that even away from the rim
Man, this team is so different from that 2014 Spurs team Kawhi was on. The ball stopping and your turn-my turn mentality is tough to watch: I just miss ball movement and defensive effort around Kawhi
Kawhi got what he asked for.
Clippers actually played pretty well. They definitely need to move more on offense and kawhi just had a bad offensive game. But more important, ty lue had a bad coaching game because small ball late in the 4th quarter against jokic and russ benched was not the way to go
Clock on the stove will never get old lol
We need plumlee back hes a good passer for a big
They really brought back the stove joke 😂
First time-EVER-I've seen Kawi Leonard dive on the floor for a loose ball. I was-SHOCKED !!!! LOL.
I’ll never forget that Mo Peterson shot against Washington 😅🔥
“The problem i disagree with Reggie on is, it’s not the players, it’s the players!”
0:12 Chuck keeping it real.
Whoever was yelling "Get It In Chris, Get It In Chris" mad wild for that 😂😂😂😂😂
Was watching the highlight of LAC-DEN,and was wondering if the ball went in or not...would be interesting to watch if the hoop light up when the ball went in...
Why yu never bought your wife a watch ?
It's a clock on the stove 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The game is here
It’s a tall man’s league. They needed long wings or another center more than James Harden. I understand why they treated for him, especially with the history of injuries with Kawhi, Leonard and Paul George, but this makes you wonder if it was worth it.
It’s CLEAR how the refs call BS and not call obvious plays like backcourt, travels, to keep the game close for the spread..
Ty Lue is a lucky man to be in the place he’s in. Or unlucky. However you’d describe a guy who fell into a job that he clearly isn’t up to par on
The clippers need a big man that can defend the paint contest shots and grab rebounds not a fan of that small lineup
Westbrook proved in his last season with the Lakers that he can still be very effective on the boards and scoring when coming off of the bench. The Clippers coaching staff will have to figure out which lineup will be best for all 4 stars.
I can watch these guys all day, they don’t have to talk about basketball either
Ty has to figure out style of play but he has guides with Boston and Miami styles during the big 3 era. The last part falls on the players because they’re going to have make sacrifices to their game.
What’s the name of the beat in the background ?
It’s a remix of some sort for “momma said knock you out” by LL cool j
The Nuggets spammed the same action 5 to 6 times late in that game. Strippers can’t stop a slow moving ball
They can absolutely survive an off Luka night, they can't survive nights where Luka is getting blown by off the dribble by Jonas Valuncunes.
GMs still ain't listen to Kobe when he said you can't win a title the way Harden plays
They were better WITHOUT Harden but still had NO chance to get to the Finals let alone win a Title. With that said, they had to make a move. Unfortunately, they made the wrong one. It’s pretty simple and always surprises me that the powers that be don’t see it. They need a knock down spot up 3pt shooter that doesn’t need the ball, high IQ and plays defense. Then they needed a Javale Mcgee type big that runs the floor and protects the rim to complement Zubac. It’s not rocket science.
"B-but star power!" -Clippers front office probably.
Does my heart good to see the Clippers are back to what they use to be. Trash 🗑
Always have been 😂
You must have a sad life a really sad life
Exactly..lol
And they will be Quickly eliminate from the playoofs race😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
3:25 PG traveled..Bruh.
PG got away with a travel.
Kenny always throwin lobs😀
As a lakers fan, I love this trade! Let’s go Harden
It’s crazy that Harden and Westbrook can’t co exist now when they went to the finals together
James Harden was a 6th man at that time
Don’t know how relevant 2012 is here
@@timmartin2417 it’s relevant because he stated they can’t coexist when James was a 6th man off the bench at that time. Which alluding to the fact the only way this can work now is only if Westbrook or Harden come off the bench for the clippers experiment to work.
Kenny saying "you think russ needs the ball?" As an argument is legitimately one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Russ is a huge negative without the ball
a walk in the park. jurasssic park. 😂😂😂😂
What is this in season tournament?
This In Season Tournament is just another way to promote and sell jerseys. The designs on the courts is a nice change, yet if you're seeking to major in Graphic Design, Art, Engineering, and Construction!
This has got to be the best job in the world
Winning both trophies will be a new mark of the truly GREAT teams in the NBA. If I was Steph or Lebron, every little bit of hardware is going to matter. I think the Cup is the perfect type of trophy for Lebron. It's not about grinding through the season and the playoffs; it's about playing at your highest level in key moments or in key games. I think one-and-done will be great for older players and younger teams. BUT the best teams will still be the best teams and have an advantage.
could be ... still, I didn't and will not watch any of those games.
the court designs are just terrible.
T Lu, go small? It's "The Nuggets"
Zubac is a good pnr big, or just wait inside the rim. Clippers shouod just focus their offense for pg and kwhi
PG, Leonard, Westbook and Harden are not the same anymore. We keep thinking they are a superstar team.
What is this “in game tournament”?
Nuggets players move well without the ball so they’re always in the right place at the right time.
Size wise you can compare BOS to LAC, and they can defend and score. Kenny was on point--Ty Lue need to change some plays and roles for LAC. On paper, there's no doubt that they are the best scoring team to be if you see those All Star names.
The clips played well against the best team in the league, whose been gelling for years. The panic isn't warranted.
I have no clue what their talking about from 4:15-4:36
Late game situations… you always have a closer. It needs to be Leonard and harden. Let westbrook and pg stat stuff throughout the game. 4th quarter? Let Kawhi and harden run the show
3:30. Where is PG travelling to here? Timbuktu?
Jurassic Park!!! 😂😂😂
Tye Lue still tryin’ to convince himself that this team can work and win consistently
My god i have been calling out zubac. And they said it. Every starter is a positive no matter how disappointing. But zubac is straught losing the team points . Put diabate
Harden is a positive?
@@student99bg yh. They play better with him . Just a very low positive. Sane woth the other 3 players that are not zubac
@@tafadzwamanzini5463 that's not plus minus is saying
@@student99bg real plus minus. +/- on its own doesn't take into account who was on the floor with you and who was othe other side. Becuase 50 points vs second string does not equal 50 points vs strong players. Also how you perform with the team you have matters
the champs comin' correct
Clippers know no one is going to feel sorry for them . . because they got 4 all-star players who will eventually be in the hall or Fame . . So they have to figure out . . Especially if there are going to win a championship this year 🏆
Pandemic P? The 2 regular seasons MVPs and the 2 time finals MVP but Pandemic P is odd man out.
They gotta play similar to the 08 Celtics. Let Westbrook be your rondo. Harden be your Paul pierce . He has to stop holding the ball. PG come off screens and pin downs like Ray. And kawhi play the middle like KG