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Seating a Car or Trailer Tire Bead Using a Bicycle Tube
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2020
- I have long changed my own tires, by hand in a yard or driveway, using tire irons and busted knuckles. I think I first did it when I was about 14 years old, and got my first car. And back in the tube days, seating a bead was of course not an issue... the tube did the work for you.
Tubeless tires are a bit more problematic of course, as the bead of the tire has to make complete contact around both sides of the wheel rim, or all the air gets out before the bead is snapped up on that rim. But it often works pretty well to put a rope or strap around the tire, and turn it with a stick (Spanish Windless). This is best with used tires, as they have already been under pressure on a rim, and so have a "memory" which places the bead closer to the rim.
But new tires are often a real problem, as they usually come out of the mold with the bead too far from where the rim is. I admit I have mounted some tires in the past, and then needed to cry "uncle", and take the tire down to a garage, and have it beaded for me. That sort of defeats the purpose of doing this at home in the first place (well, maybe not considering the stupid tire mounting laws, and liabilities, which sometimes restrict the mounting of single, used tires on existing rims. Coming in for a bead seating has, so far, been possible though).
There are many other methods of seating a bead, such as the air tank blaster thingy... but they cost like $60, and I don't do this all that much. So then I have another cumbersome tool to deal with, mostly sitting around. Others have had luck using an explosive gas... I think starter fluid... sprayed in and lit. That seems very dangerous, and I just never wanted to try it.
There seem to be other gizmos which pull the bead up, and so on. I had wondered, though, at different things that might fill the air gap temporarily, to allow air to stay in the tire and seat the bead, and wondered if wrapping a bicycle tube around the rim would work. So I did a youtube search, and lo-and-behold that is a tried and proven method. Wish I thought of it first! No matter... at least I wanted to add my own, first experience with this method, to help get the word out...
As you can see, it is simple, cheap, and very easy to do. I intend on keeping a small selection of bike tubes with my tire irons. I'll remove them from discarded bikes, so that I don't have to buy them. And "damn"... I'm a recovering hoarder, and now I think of all those bikes and wheels I tossed into dumpsters the last few years....
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"that's like some god damn type of magic" Priceless sir! Just ordered a 16" bike for my 15" trailer rim. Having same problem as you. Thanks for posting the video. I also tried all of the other "tricks." The tube should do the trick!
Did this with two tires this weekend. Worked great. I found getting a tube an inch over the tire rim diameter helped. Thirteen inch rim, fourteen inch tube.
Cool! Good feedback about the tube size, thanks...
Great video & idea! I had the same issue the other day. Brand new tires but really narrow fit when installed on rim. I used 2 bike tubes, one on each side of rim/tire. Filling the bike tubes a bit first makes it easier to put them on the rims. Then I pumped enough air to seat the tire beads, then let the air out to remove the tubes. Then refilled the tire. No leaks. One tube wouldnt cut it.
I'm glad it worked for you... and great tip on the use of two tubes!
Thank YOU so much for sharing this technique. You saved me hours of work!
Knowledge truly is the key! I blew several hours messing with trying to get tires to seal on rims. Found your video and what a blessing!
I can't thank you enough!
I'm glad it helped you, Teri... thanks for the comment.
OMGosh! I was heading that direction with a wet towel and was getting close. But this! Love these life hacks. Makes a husband look genius. Thank you so much!
I thought the same thing he said at each part of the video. "No way" , "No way!", "Are you kidding me?". It worked so well it's crazy. Thanks for this video, it was exactly what I was looking for and you had the same attitude about the idea as I do (did).
I encountered a large gap trying to put new tires on my jeep rims. I saw this video and ran out to get an inner tube. First time i didn't inflate the inner tube enough and it got stuck under the bead. Next time I inflated the tube so that it was sitting higher on the rim. When I inflated the tire it popped the inner tube off the rim as it sealed. Thanks for sharing this amazing trick.
Glad it worked for you! As you point out, it will take some fiddling and adjustment to get it just right.
Neat trick! I've successfully used ether in the field numerous times over the years on semi tires. Trick is to have air chuck locked on to stem w/ air flowing, spray ether into tire and light it with a lighter. Sometimes had to give it a few goes, but did the job. Think your way may be a wee bit safer!
I was able to set (with the lighting fluid, fire and run the hell out method) three tires on another vehicle but on my 1971 VW Super Beetle I spent two cans of lighter fluid and it would not work. I tried your method using an 18 inch inner tube, I had to fold it and taped it to make it about 16 inches diameter and it worked like a charm.For those using this method, don't pump too much air on the bike tube or it will burst while inflating the car tire, just enough to block the air from escaping. Then once the tire gets air let a litter air out of the bike tire so that you can pump more air into the car tire and compress the bike tube without a problem. Great video, thanks!
I'm glad it worked for you, Ray... and thanks for the advice and tips.
I tried several methods, but had success with an air blaster.. whoohoo! I've heard of this but after watching you, I'll try it! I was worried about the tube getting stuck in the tire, but with the soap on it, it just seems to move out of the way and stays slick enough to pull out.
_You had me rolling! And I quote! It’s like some type of goddamn magic! Thanks!_
Isn't it, though! I love stuff like this... simple, cheap, but amazing. Andright in front of us all along...
I laughed too 🤣
@proto57 thanks for sharing this, these are the tricks the tradesmen knows, but must've kept secret, because I'm 49yo, been around street cars, dirt bikes, quads, & now fat tire ebikes & I've NEVER heard of this trick, dirty scoundrels.....😂
Hello, all. Another method : Use a thin rope, or 1/8 inch steel cable. Wrap around center of tread. Make two loops, one on each end. Put tire bar into loops. TWIST tightly, until the tire bead, is seated. (( Compressing the tire face, EXPANDS the outer radius ; on inside of tire. )) SOCK THE AIR IN........should work wunderbar. Does over here in Alberta, anyways....FOR all tire sizes...
I'm familiar with your (Spanish Windless) method, and have tried it probably a dozen times in my life... with rope, cable, strap. It has never worked for me, but I understand that it does work for some people... maybe many people.
Usually what happens in my case is that the beads don't move out toward the rims enough, and then the tire collapses or deforms at one point.... gets a dent in it. Or like that.
So I probably do it wrong, because you and others say it works. Maybe I'll look it up, see what it is I do wrong, and try it again, next time.
Had the same issue with an 18" car tire. I didn't have access to a garage type tire changer and spent a full day trying just about everything. Nothing worked. I saw this solution online and solved the problem first attempt.
A couple comments, bicycle inner tube sizes are given using the outside diameter, or rolling diameter whereas you're sealing a car tire to the rim using the inner diameter of the bicycle tube. In addition they swell in all directions when inflated. For this reason I suggest to purchase a bicycle tube a couple inches larger diameter than the rim, in my case I used a 20" bicycle inner tube to bead up an 18" car tire, a perfect fit.
Since the back of the rim is tapered with a better chance of sealing, I expect you'll get best results using the bicycle tube on the front of the tire as you did in this video. Haven't verified this but it stands to reason since the bead on the front of the car tire has to ride over a larger step on the rim, the source of the problem making bead up difficult in some cases.
A good video nonetheless but watch those fingers should the tire decide to pop when least expected.
I used 16 bicycle on 17 inch car..fail. Used 20 bicycle on 17 car..win! The size makes all the difference in the world.
this is brilliant
Thanks for the video. It's great that you captured the two popping sound(s) of the tire beading on the rim. I will definitely try this on underbone tire with stiff sidewalls.
Thanks.... I hope it works well for you....
I just tried this today, the rim 13",,, and Walmart only had 16" tubes so when I put it on the rim it fit just right but I had to use a tie down strap on the center tire tread to help keep the tube in, it works very good, the tire shop said that their air compressor is 200psi and thats how they avoid tire bead problems.
Hey! I'm glad it worked. And yes I've seen the air compressors they use in shops... it's like "BLAM!" all at once. Even then they sometimes have trouble seating the bead.
Great hack...just went thru this struggle with snow blower tires. Wish I saw this earlier
lol nice last resort trick
Your method worked for me.
Cool idea 💡!
I'm trying to mount a car tire of 155/65-13 "Darkside Tire" on the rear position of my Suzuki Burgman Maxi Scooter - 13" rim.
It can be a BEAR to get the bead of a Car Tire to pop onto the Motorcycle rim.
Shops have to blast high PSI like up to 160 which freaks them out for safety / liability reasons.
So, I'm 100% gonna try this idea - nothing to lose & looks like it would SERIOUSLY work.
I'll try to report back my results ok ?
Thank you, really nice video.
Thanks, worked great.
Very cool
tried this a couple times never could get it to work for me, didn't help that the crappy walmart tubes wouldn't inflate properly around the stem. Ended up using the ether method.
Inflated the tube before I put it on than Used a inner tube that was 1/2 smaller than needed and it popped right off
Good Job! Are those OSHA approved steel toed boat shoes and Cape Cod safety hat? For difficult beads on smaller tires, I use the strap method. Time permitting, I'll spread the beads apart for a day or two using pieces of wood.
For breaking stubborn beads, I use my large bench vise, or lay the wheel and tire on the ground and slowly drive over a portion of the tire with my truck, as close to the rim as possible. WD-40 helps this process. Won't you be my neighbor?
Thanks, Husabob! And yes, the Cape Cod had is made of graphine, using nano-technology.
I like your tips on beading tires... I might need to do the spreading tip with the motorcycle tire (which will hopefully come today...). More fun!
wow.....someone else, using the ' drive steering tire over tire ' on the ground. Works EVERY time..../ some guys, use a 5 foot piece of 4x4, and drive up onto it. oh well, each to his own.
Unfortunately, my trailer rim is 8" trailer and no bike tubes seem to be small enough to use this trick. Loved the demo though!
Mine 12 inches and i increased size to 13"
Many thanks, I,ve tried everything else and this is the only thing that worked.
I'm glad it worked for you! Only a few weeks ago I used it again, on my low profile 19" Land Rover tire... worked again!
Same here
@@proto57 Guessing you used a larger bike tube, or did you manage to use the 14" one?
@@binovc69 I managed to use the one I had. They stretch pretty far...
Damn I used 2 cans cleaner fluid, 1 can of starting fluid! I think I ruined my tire it smells like burning rubber! 🔥 mushy and soft, Damn I have 2 bike tubes hanging right in front of me!!!!!
Well there is always another tire to mount!
Nice 👍🏻
Lol great video
What size bicycle tube do you use? The same size as the rim, or slightly different?
I pinned a comment by a guy who pointed out that bicycle tire tube diameters are measured to the outside of the tube, while car and trailer tires are measured to the seating surface on the rim. I used the same size as the wheel size, which was a bit tight, a bit small... this explains it.
I never tried it, but perhaps a bicycle tube on inch smaller than your car wheel size? That might be a better fit. But try at your own risk! And report back...
@@proto57 If using bike tube the same size as car rim was "a bit tight," then I would think that you meant to buy a bike tube one inch "bigger" than the car wheel size, not one inch smaller.
And thanks for the video. I'm "pre-searching" for how much work will be involved for me to clean my rim beads (my tires are leaking there) and also to install new TPMS sensors.
@@binovc69 Yes my bad... one inch larger, that would make sense. From now on, when I see a bike or bike wheel being tossed out on the side of the road for clean up week, I'm taking the tubes with me so that I have a selection of sizes at hand.
Bigger. The smaller just get stuck as you air up.