hey man just an honest critique. i dont even own a truck but i know that a f250 will not drive as well unloaded as loaded because the spring pack is so stiff in the back that it needs weight to feel more plyable when hitting small bumps. alot of bigger trucks are this way.
Amerikanski sure. That’s the way a lot of trucks used to be. I was really aiming just to inform consumers of the ride difference between trucks. Not trying to say the F250 rode horrible. Funny to me how people are focused on the latter.
@@patsnation3221 agreed. Good gas prices are great but when you president gets a terrorist leader killed and then tells the whole world he died like a bitch… that’s priceless
To each their own but rams are ugly trucks and fall apart like they were made in China. Their only redeeming quality is the Cummins engine in their HD trucks, but I'd still prefer an international.
just bought a 2021 f250 and I absolutely Love this truck! I understand the ride quality isn't as smooth because of the solid front axel but if you want a truck that will last you for decades this is the truck for you! Will never sell this truck now that I have one. Remember Ford is the real American Truck! great review!
I own a 2019 crew lariat diesel, I lowered tire pressure to 60 psi , removed Rancho shocks. Installed bilstien 4600 shocks all around . Big improvement
Ron - check out the Carli 2.5 Pintop suspension system with the King shocks. Expensive......but, makes the Ford Super Duty or Dodge Heavy Duty ride almost like a Cadillac........rides way better than a Chevrolet or GMC Heavy Duty.
@@francesco1998 no he means all the damn electronics these new trucks have on them now that people who actually use the trucks for dont use need or want on them.
@@calebniederhofer6529 its possible to make a nice interior minus the bullshit. I would live a king ranch with manual everything. I have always wished cat would make a solid work truck!
Randy Jolly I agree I have a big block Chevy 8.1 (496ci.) for the pulling power 450 lbs of torque And I still have my Chevy 6.0 (360ci) 375 lbs of torque . I love the pulling power and the sound of the big block.
I currently drive a Dodge 2500 QC 4x4; it is a tall truck for an 2008 but the bed is 36" off the ground, which made it a challenge to hook the gooseneck trailer. The trailer tires were flipped but it still rides at an angle. I'll sell it one of these days and not worry about it.
As for the ride of IFS vs a solid front axle, the reason Ford continues on with the solid front axle is because it is a truck. It is used for truck things, like hauling a heavy load. Put a heavy load in the bed of an IFS truck and you'll change the caster and camber of the front suspension. Not so with a truck with a solid front axle. The more you know, the more you know Ford.
Excellent Comment!!! Plus the solid front axle has much better axle articulation off-road compared to the IFS axle. Read article in Four Wheeler magazine - Frontend Fued - IFS vs Solid Axle.
But, if you get the death wobble in Super Duty you will never forget it and you will cuss the solid axle. I still can fathom why Ford hasn't resolved this...
Tim, I normally like your reviews but this one I feel you were somewhat off on a few items...particular the 5 dis-likes. You probably needed more coffee...and a heat wave LOL. The ride differences between the Solid axel and IFS...the Solid will ride stiffer...I agree. No question about it. I drove both GMC/FORD before I bought, adjusted the pressures to 60 lbs on all 4 corners and much was improved on the solid axle truck. If I am a betting man you probably had close to 80lbs and with colder temps made the situation worse. I have always been more of a GM guy..sold all my diesels and now went to a Gas truck. Probably be my last truck before retirement. I decided the Ford was a better fit over all and just felt like it was built better. More substantial. The Seats were more comfortable, ergonomics appeared better, power felt much better and I liked the 10 speed. Both dealers even let me tow my 13k load....the 7.3 was clearly more powerful and the torque was impressive, even down low. The Ford felt more like a heavy duty vs the GMC a heavy 1/2 ton. Fuel mileage is around 12.9- 13.4 job site to job site....and I am now getting 16.4-6 as an average at 74mph on cruise control. Height and getting in was about the same with both trucks having the same 20's. I live in the south which helps my review....LOL....it's warm Thank You....and flat here. Take Care.
Damn cold temps! I think we are mostly in agreement reading your comments. And sure, dropping the tire pressure will soften a ride at the expense of wear and some fuel economy. I test them as the manufacturer set them up so no changing tire pressure. FWIW, I bitch about GM’s 2500 being tall as well. I liked the 7.3L and the seats. No argument from me. I just don’t understand why you need a damn ladder to add oil!
Jeff - does your Ford have 20 inch rims? If so, you might consider an 18 inch rim.....more tire sidewall equals a little bit softer ride and better off-road performance. If you have the 4.30 gears in the differentials, you might want to check out a Carli 2 1/2 inch leveling suspension system .....the 2.5 Pintop with King shocks and Goodyear DuraTrac 285 / 75R - 18 tires.....which are 11.2 inches wide and 35.1 inches tall......same tire on the new 2020 Ford Super Duty Tremor. The leveling suspension system just raises the front...not the rear. Hellwig offers an air bag if you decide you want the optional Carli rear leaf spring packs which are made by Deaver Spring.
@@15Jeep I am waiting for Dan at Carli to release their gas/7.3 suspension lift which will be a coil over shock vs using the heavier diesel coils and set up. Supposedly 3rd quarter. I do have 20's and I agree on your comment on the 18's. I almost ordered a Tremor but decided on the Lariat Sport package do to I am mostly on the road and didn't need the more aggressive tires and a few of the stuff the Tremor came with...plus the 4k price tag. My last truck had 37 12.5 20, and on this truck I am taming it down some...LOL.. and going to stick with the stock wheels..order some 295 65 20's which is a 35.1-35.4 x 11.6-12.0 depending on manufacturer and the Carli lift. I already changed the front air dam and fender wells from Ford to the same as the Tremor ...This way it will look like the Tremor when I get done with better road manners and definitely better off road...just wont have the locking front diff and a few other things. Thanks for the help.
@@15Jeep With the standard tires the sidewall is the same on the 18" and 20" on a 2020 SD. 18" runs 275/65/18, 20 runs 275/65/20. However on a 4x4 with 18" wheels you can get the *optional* 275/70/18s...
After 10 years of fleet repair, pickups are the small end of what I have to service, but the solid axles do a great job and they at least last. If I wanted my truck to drive like a car, I'd have bought a car. That being said... trucks have gone and basically turned into cars these days anyway. I'm glad I bought the last one before everything went powered.
The straight axle up front serves as the reason why Ram and Ford are the towing vehicles of choice. The IFS may be more comfortable, when you you're towing heavy, thus the truck weight shifting rearward, the IFS setup allows way more sway than would solid axles up front. Plus they generally boast better longevity over the years/miles. I'm pretty sure this Ford could probably use the FOX steering stabilizer upgrade to smooth the ride over the rough pavement. Welcome back to pushrod engines, Ford!
Devil’s Advocate. Why do you say towing vehicles of choice? I recently interviewed a Chevy owner who is a camper trailer hauler. He had no problems with IFS.
@@Pickuptrucktalk when towing long range, and over various grades and terrain, it's been my experience that live axles f/r are a bit more poised, particularly in the steering(less wandering, better stability, etc). To your credit, I have not driven a new GM HD, so things may have changed since last-gen.
I like both! The Ifs ride quality is way better especially off road. The straight axle seems to be stronger when a plow is needed but how many people need a plow? Not as many as people who dont! We live in a world now where people say I need that straight axle but I'll never pull more than a car on a trailer or a large toolbox lol
@@czwarlord9243 because it is your preference, that does NOT make any of my statements false. There are significant reasons why Ram and Ford have chosen to stick with solid axles up front, chief amongst them are the trucks strength, durability, and long-term sustainability, particularly for a vehicle that is always put to work, like an HD should. I'm not opposed to an IFS, particularly on a 3/4 ton application, but for serious hauling, you will need the stability and reliability of a solid axle.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I’m a heavy truck mechanic, and do get to work on little trucks down to 1/2 ton. Included in that is the ever present overloaded gm one ton utility truck that has enough front end rebound and overweight steering to feel like your trying to control a monkey humping an accordion
When i was riding in the back of a six by six with some other fellas' the ride was very stiff and bumpy. After filling the back of the truck with two feet of sandbags filled with dirt, the big five ton truck rode like a cadillac because of the weight of the dirt bags pushing on the leaf springs, while travelling over bumpy terrain. So if anyone has a problem with a stiff riding car or truck, the simple solution is to put some sand bags in the load compartment. For a car , put a sand bag or two on the floorboards behind the front seats. You'll even have more controll in the snow too.
Know this = 50% of any vehicle's ride is in its tires. Yes, the tires. Take off whatever came from the factory and replace them with the best Michelin tire for your application. By doing this one thing, you will improve the ride of your vehicle. I drive a Ford Excursion. With me and some of my junk in it, it weighs 8000 pounds. My last set of Michelin LTX MS 2 tires lasted 110,000 miles - verified at my Ford dealer. Smooth and quiet ride, Load range E. I did go up one size, from 265/75/16 to 285/75/16. You will not find a better riding tire than a Michelin. Period.
Yep, the million mile Ford I had on this channel was riding on Michelin tires. That owner swore by them. I can see different tires really helping the ride quality. Thanks for commenting!
I completely agree.......almost. I have had Michelin LTX.....both the M/S and AT2 tires on my Ford Super Duty trucks since 2002. I have Michelin XPS Rib tires on my horse trailer. However, I am now using one of my trucks considerably more off-road......in both mud and snow conditions, and Michelin does not make a tire I need. By far the most popular tire seems to be Toyo. However, for both mud off-road caused by snow melt...and snow packed paved roads, I like the Interco TrXus tire and the Goodyear DuraTrac tires. Goodyear makes a 285 / 75R - 18...which is 11.2 inches wide (narrow width is great for snow) and 35.1 inches tall. The tire has great mud lugs...cleans the mud out well and siping on the lugs for great traction on snow packed roads. The 18 inch diameter tire has more side wall than a 20 inch tire.....therefore, a softer ride both on and off road. If Michelin made a comparable tire, I would probably buy it.....but they don't.
Of the 5 things you like, the engine is what I agree with. It seems like a more simple design with less stuff to go wrong. The convience features seem like more stuff to break. I want a truck to keep for 30 years, not a denison of the dealership that I will want to get rid of as soon as the warranty is up. I really dont want an otherwise reliable truck that is always in the shop getting the heated seats and tailgate actuators fixed.
This is a good ford motor. I believe it will be great. Getting rid of all that ohv triton twin turbo shit that has made fords P.O. Shits for 20+ years is the way to go. Solid front axle is the way to go for plowing snow, ford always had good transmissions and diff's and now with a solid motor its going to be a beast.
Well the 5.4l in the f250s has always been good theyre slightly different than the f150s but the changes made it better, personally i like my 5.4l f250, my next trucks gonna ve a 6.0l build though
As a taller person that has gained weight over the years I really appreciate the larger trucks and the higher up they are the easier they are to work on as they age. So I love the jacked F250 big trucks and getting into them. For a shorter person having to go thru the tailgate to get something all the time will be a big pain.
My 2020 XL STX 7.3L Supercab, same color your testing, had horrible fuel mileage when I bought with 8 miles (purchased April 11, 2020) on the odometer. Averaged 12.8 mpg hwy for the first 500 miles, mpg increased once I passed 1000 miles. Upgrade tires at 1600 miles to Toyo AT2 Extreme (285/75/18) and averaged 15.5 mpg at 75 mph, all highway, from San Antonio TX to Oklahoma City OK. I now have 5100 miles and average 14.8 mix city/hwy driving. Just pulled a skid steer (10.6K lbs.) with our 14K 22ft PJ trailer (3300 lbs.) averaged 10.1 mpg at 70 mph. The truck does the job well.
I had a 2500HD and I prefer the IFS over the solid axle in my F-250...and especially over the death wobble. I still don't understand why Ford can't get the death wobble resolved.
Completely Agree!!! Moreover......install a Carli suspension 2.5 Pintop with the King shocks.........and the Ford will now ride way better than the GM truck........and also have superior axle articulation resulting in superb off-road ability over the GM trucks. IFS axle is only good for high speed off-road racing. The Solid Front Axle is much better for a daily driver 4WD vehicle that is used for recreational off-road use and or for people who live off of non-paved roads.
@@bicdaddy Respectfully Disagree! The sheet metal (steel) body parts and panels have been very thin for decades. There is virtually no difference in the ease to dent the steel or aluminum body parts. That said...aluminum has a BIG advantage.....it does not rust like steel. Chevrolet and GMC trucks have had a "rust out" history of body parts and panels. Aluminum is a better choice. In addition, Ford trucks have a fully boxed frame.....that has e-Coat. The GM truck frames are still coated with wax. GM engineers just cannot build a good 4WD truck. Great LS V8 engines.....but poorly designed and engineered little girl "car like" trucks...only good for hauling groceries and a few items from home improvement stores. In short, GM 4WD trucks are junk!
Mike Marler I’m not arguing about the benefits of aluminum! I get the point of it... but if you want to understand the issues of it, talk to ANY body shop. You can’t repair aluminum panels... and they crumble like beer cans. It can turn a $1k repair into a $10k+ repair in a heartbeat.
@@bicdaddy You are correct about the repair of aluminum body panels. However, not many steel panels are repaired because the labor cost of repair and materials exceeds the cost of a new panel and materials. The big difference is the replacement cost of steel panels compared to aluminum panels. Currently, the cost of replacement aluminum panels is outrageous. The costs of replacement aluminum panels will come down as more trucks end up in salvage yards. I have heard Ford is also the only supplier.....which keeps costs high due to no competition.
Thanks for posting. The MPG was about what I expected, although I was hoping it would be better for highway with no trailer or load. At 2:25, it shows with a full tank, the range was limited to just 322 miles. At 13 MPG, that says the gas tank is only 25 gallons. My 2017 F-250 LONG BED has a 48 gallon tank - makes a huge difference.
Keep it coming...the fact that you even have a phone charger (wireless) in a truck that actually is build to perform = priceless. Complaining about the ergonomics of such an unneeded feature...also priceless.
I drove a 2018 F350 regular cab long bed my fire department bought for a brush truck when it was empty before we outfitted it and it drives way better than my 94 F150. Easily.
Your complaints (if you want to call em that) make me feel even better about the truck lol. Did y’all even notice how much room there is in that engine bay. Talk about easy to work on
5.0L f150 is great engine bay, access is easy, can't be critical of this heavy duty truck, used super duty for 10 years in the mining industry, low operating cost. Thanks for review
Yeah that’s looks delightful compared to the 04-08 f-150 with a 5.4😂😂 they’ve improved so much. I feel that this motor will be a very good motor and will be very simple and easy to work on and maintain.
@@popeyeandstraussmx4165 I have an 04 F150...I didn't get the 3V 5.4 because it was "New" for 04...after hearing all the issues...I couldn't be more happy with the bullet proof 4.6L...Granted 70hp deficit makes the truck gutless...but life is tradeoffs... My 2008 F250 had 3V V10 has been bullet proof as well...
Mister S what’s your point? They never had issues from 2009 and up but, either way I actually own a 5.4 3v as a farm truck and I’m now turning into my daily, it’s a great motor it was owned by a cop and another farmer before me and has 165k miles and has sludge built up in the heads form oil changes being neglected... very inderrated engine. Wanna know how to “bulletproof” a triton? Bigger oil pump. That’s it. As long as the other issues haven’t started the oil pump will save them. The 4.6 is literally identical to the 5.4. Same heads, cams, the only difference is the intake manifold and displacement. The oil pump was simply too small on the V10 and 5.4 to feel the top end, it would do fine if you took care of the oil changes but this is America nobody does that. So oil sludges up clogs ports and the oil can’t go through because of the weak oil pump made for a smaller engine
@@popeyeandstraussmx4165 Um no...My 4.6 is 2V...and there are literally 1000's of V10s 2V and 3V with 300-500K on them with routine maintenance... Use the correct oil and change at 5000 like your manual states...and no issues... I don't know anything about 09+ trucks... I don't buy the first year of ANY engine. FYI the 2V 5.4 in the econoline has ZERO issues as well...the cam phaser was a SHITTY idea. (There were people that were having their truck routinely serviced at the dealer, and had cam phaser issues, some even during the warranty! - It was a bad design, everyone knows this)
I went from a 2016 F250 4wd lariat ultimate crew cab to a 2024 F350 4wd lariat ultimate crew sport both 6.7 powerstroke diesels both where short boxes the new truck gets better mileage but rides a lot harder
I gave GM a hard time over the IFS but it’s actually good. I overhauled the IFS in my 2008 and it’s beefy, not Dana 60 or sterling solid axle but it’s tough. I don’t think it rides any better than solid axle. 2011+ IFS do ride better though.
Your truck is a crew cab 6.8 ft bed 4x4 in what looks like XLT or lariat trim . It should be around 6560lbs curb weight, the way I figured this is by adding 100lbs to the curb weight of the same truck as yours equipped with the 6.2 gas v8 which is about 100lbs lighter than the 7.3 godzilla. Fun fact the 6.7 powerstroke is a full 700 pounds heavier than the 6.2 making it 600lbs more than the 7.3. I think the 7.3 dually 4x4 4.3 axle ratio regular cab 8.2 ft bed would be an incredible snow plow vehicle with some good dedicated winter rubber (nokian hakkapelittas) would be the ultimate setup.
Solid front axle is the only way to go if you're going to be towing heavy or frequent. This is where Ford and Ram both understand their customers in the heavy duty segment. If you want a family hauler buy the GM, if you want a work truck Ford or Ram, it's really that simple.
Glad I bought a powerboost 2021 f150 and can still tow 12000 and run around town with 24 mpg. Ya, towing will use use more, but we only tow a few times a year. And, tow a 7500 pound trailer.
Your number 1 complaint is: Oil cap out of reach, well, you shouldn't have to put oil in it, its a new truck! I never have, and at Ford an Oil change and tyre rotation is $53🙂
Right. The vehicle is designed to tow/haul well over a ton in the bed or tow up to 15k. In order to be stiff enough to do that the ride quality is going to suffer when it's empty. Load it up and it rides great because all that stiffness is doing its job. Take the tires down to 50 psi when it's empty and a lot of that harshness goes away. No one buying this truck should be running it empty a majority of the time, there are a ton of cheaper, smaller, more comfortable trucks for that purpose. This is a work truck or a toy hauler.
There is no real debate between IFS and SFA. The IFS rides better and the SFA is more durable, better for lifting, better for plow usage…and essentially better in every way that makes a truck a truck. Pick your poison. I’ll take a SFA is a HD 4x4 truck all day every day without second thought.
The wireless charger should be in the indent on top of the dash, maybe w/ a smoked cover to keep some of the sun off the phone. That way the phone can actually pick up a GPS signal while you're using Google Maps or Waze w/ the Android Auto built into Sync 3.
A good honest evaluation. Th3 7.3L gas motor is what Ford SHOULD have built 20 years ago! Instead, we've suffered with all of the different versions of the Triton engines with all of their different problems and complicated overhead cams, etc. Maybe this will give GM incentive to bring back the 8.1 Vortec. Personally, I'd find it pretty hard to drive around in something screaming "Super Duty".
Nah, 7.3 was a step back in every way except raw displacement. An upsized/revised 6.2 Boss with the 7.3’s cooling improvements would have also smoked the 7.3.
@@BillUtah You are correct. Places like CO the 85 octane is equivalent to 87 octane at sea level and it provides the same amount of power. However, each state has a different set of rules for pollution controls so the amount may differ. I now live in NM where most "regular" is 87 octane, but some cities 85 is the "regular". Go figure.
Just what the world needs, another guy judging a work truck by car standards. Some of us need trucks to do truck stuff. That axle you are incessantly crying about is one of the trucks greatest attributes. Maybe you would be better served at your local Lincoln dealership.
Actually, per the media’s site tech sheet, they “recommend” 87. Aka not required. media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2020/f-series-super-duty/2020-Super-Duty-Tech-Specs.pdf
@@Pickuptrucktalk I think Duane is correct. Owners manual states "Some fuel stations, particularly those in high altitude areas, offer fuels posted as regular unleaded gasoline with an octane rating below 87. The use of these fuels could result in engine damage that will not be covered by the vehicle warranty." www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/Catalog/owner_information/2020-Ford-F250-F350-F450-F550-F600-Owners-Manual-version-1._om_EN_10_2019.pdf
GM thinks IFS stands for "It's Fine, Seriously." It isn't, and it's not limited to their larger light/medium duty trucks. Even my '03 Sonoma 2.2 has gone through many more front suspension parts than it should (300k miles) and it's just RWD and driven honestly.
I've had a few trucks in my day, not a lot but a few. Ifs in a half ton is fine if you want the ride, I moved up to 3/4 ton for the payload, give me a solid axle! If I had a half ton I'd still want the solid axle, it's a TRUCK! After a gutless 5.4 for last 12 years I love my new Godzilla. Best gas motor I've driven since the old v-8 400 in the early 80s! I like the 10 speed, but I miss my clutch.
Sounds like decent mileage for a cold day, but seems like the 7.3 and 6.2 get basically the same mileage. I was really hoping the ten speed transmission would make a big difference. Maybe you'll only see it on long highway trips unloaded. I use these trucks for patrol trucks and don't buy diesel for those because we depreciate them way too fast to justify the additional expense and cost of maintenance. I miss when diesel trucks lasted longer.
I was really hoping it would do a little better on fuel. Those mpg numbers are about the same as the old V10/460. But the $8k difference between the PSD and the 7.3 Godzilla will buy a lot of gas....depending on the driving, it would take about 10 years to make up the difference in fuel cost.
I know this video is old. I have driven 250's before, didnt think much if it other than it being big, years ago. I traded my 2020 loaded XLT 150 in for a hard to find 2022 F-250 ( at this time in 22 they are hard to find) . It was basically like my F150 and bought it on the spot. OMG was I in for a surprise, this thing drove like a john deer tractor lawn mower. Almost need 2 hands to turn it. Super rough. Thankfully its not my daily driver but for mainly pulling a camper and 5th wheel in the future.
One thing I noticed when he showed the spec sheet on this truck is that it has a payload downgrade (only 10,000 GVWR)...which will make for a nicer ride unloaded, but it also had the 4.30 rear end. The gas mileage would be a bit better with a 3.73. That truck was built to tow...not drive around empty or with anything close to heavy in the back...I bet it's max payload is less than 2500 lbs.
I think all of his dislikes are subjective to the driver. Other folks may love the truck the way it is. Obviously is isn’t too bad because he’s still driving it.
I trust the IFS more than the death wobble that Ford has had a problem with for a while now. The death wobble will make you crap your pants not having control of the steering and wanting to get a different truck. Ford needs to take customer and public safety more serious.
if your thinking of buying, check out the forums, also make sure you inspect every inch of the truck, door alignment, box alignmemt with cab, They are nice trucks, but they have problems right off the lott,
3/4 Trucks are basically designed to have more spring and suspension to be able to be compressed to the right level when towing. Same issue for 1 tons on driving one around and complaining about the ride quality with no load. These are works trucks, not your grocery getter. I'd rather have more of a stiffer ride, without a load to ensure what is being towed is efficient.
Considering the Ford front suspension vs GM coil springs, my discussion with heavy duty truck fleet owners say the GM front suspensions are less durable. I tow a 5th wheel and need a sturdy front suspension, even ordered a snow plow package.
I would agree with the fleet owners. However, the Ford front suspension has coil springs......so do the GM trucks. The difference is in the axle...not the type of spring. The Ford and Dodge trucks have a coil spring on top of a Solid Front Axle.....the GM trucks have coil springs with IFS Axle. In addition, the differential that houses the gears......cast iron on solid axles......aluminum on most IFS axels. Cast Iron is stronger. ..and better.
I like my sticker. It actually blends in well with my two tone iconic silver and magnetic colors. Other colors would consider removing it though. Lets people know you don't have a normal model?
No doubt the Tremor is a cool package from Ford. John.....like your 7.3 engine choice. Before you spend the money on the Tremor package.....check out the Carli 2 1/2 inch leveling suspension - 2.5 Pintop with the King shocks. Also, consider the options offered by Carli...front sway bar, radius arms...and especially the Deaver rear leaf springs. You can add Hellwig air bags in the rear to make up any lost GVWR. Watch videos on Carli suspension here on RUclips. Call Carli and talk to Tyler. In addition, you can always buy the 18 inch Tremor rims with the Goodyear DuraTrac 285 / 75R - 18 tires on eBay. I have those tires on my Ford Super Duty and that rubber is awesome in mud and snow!
@J CR 4sure, also the off road wheels/tires, 2" lift, trimmed front valance, 36" water fording tubes, off-road shocks, rock crawl mode, probably some other things can't quite remember atm
Reason #1 that you do not want a long plastic oil filler neck sticking out from the valve cover is the outside temperature difference you get from the valve cover to the plastic neck causes major condensation that results in a build up of that milky-white oil-water sludge that ends up dripping down into the engine, and over the period of what I'm guessing is a 8000 mile oil change interval, can build up significantly. I had the same issue on a Jeep I owned years ago with the 3.7L. Oil filler neck always had to be flushed out at almost every oil change.
Dude, I thought the truck rides fine. Ford retuned the suspension to ride more like a F-150. The steering is also lighter making it easier to drive. So I think your 5 things you do not like are really 3. The 7.3 seems like a gas hog.
12.8 mpg on a millage test run without trailer, My diesel f250 gets 17 mpg all day not towing, with my 9000 pound trailer I get 14-15 mpg without breaking a sweat. Newer diesel superdutys get better fuel millage than mine. Now Long Beach ca. to Las Vegas without a trailer I burn less than a half a tank of fuel with a 38 gallon tank. Now my point the 7.3 gas will get around 7 to 8 mpg towing a moderate trailer, a larger 5th wheel type you will get 5 mpg, just like the old 460 ford truck engine ford used before the 7.3 gas. We dont buy trucks for fuel millage reasons at least most of us dont, so why should we buy a truck with an add on price of 2,000 dollars to get a 7.3 gas engine upgrade, and not pop 8,000 dollars more for the diesel 6.7 monster diesel with over a thousand pounds of Torque? One thing high torque numbers mean is the engine does not work very hard to do the same job a lower torque number engine ( 7.3 gas with 475 torque) screaming its guts out. When towing your camper trailer a lot, towing trailers a lot for work and such, plus resale value, you are better off with the 6.7 if you are buying new. Here is an interesting fact that might interest you folks that dont know better, the diesel engine (any) will last many many miles more than any gas engine doing the same job............You can read this and learn, do some more research and buy the diesel over that 7.3 gasser, or you can opt for that gasser 7.3, than when you want to sell it you will find out that the 100,000 mile truck you have is worthless, because no one will want it. The high millage gas engine, is like musical chairs, last person who buys the truck ends up with no chair when the gas engine gives up the ghost. There are tons of people that either pretend to be experts on these trucks, on youtube showing you how great that 7.3 gasser can pull a heavy trailer up a steep hill just as good, fast as the 6.7 diesel or they really are experts and are lying to you. It isnt how fast it goes up a hill, its how many times it will climb that hill before the engine wears out????? Cant stop people from doing dumb things, we can only pass on honest information to those that are looking for it to make sound decisions. If any of you folks buy the 7.3 gasser to tow your campers and we diesel owners and you share a camp fire together some time, I personally will treat you in a respectful, friendly way, but wont be able to control myself with a snicker behind your back, my guess the other diesel owners sitting there will do the same............ Michael
I really do like the solid live axle on my (older) Super Duty. I agree it takes some getting used to but it doesn't bother me anymore, I just really like the ruggedness and low maintenance. That's decent MPGs for an engine that size. That's a little better than what i average w/ my 5.4L towing.
Finally...agreed! The Super Duty series, in general, could benefit from the aftermarket kits available for ride quality. Ford needs to learn something here.
I like to watch the reviews on the new truck's. All the gadgets are nice till they stop working. Sure hope the 7.3 gasser holds up. Till then I'll keep my 01 f250 7.3 Just did a 980 mile trip with a 700 lbs motorcycle and carrier hanging on the back of the old Ford . I do have a triple reciever hitch. And got 17 mpg. Of course it's tuned. And 2wd.
Borrowed a friends 2020 f250 last weekend. I was shocked at how dim the headlights were driving home at night. I haven’t had headlights that dim since the old sealed-beam days.
You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The truth is the HD IFS trucks handle the same with or without a load. We drive in brigade of 10 trucks plus on the way up to eastern Colorado every year and those Silverados and GMCs do just as well and that's coming from me a Ford owner.
It's tall because it's a long wheelbase vehicle and not everyone lives in Nebraska. Lots of places around the country will have those steps beat senseless in no time flat...
Check back on 5-7 years. :P My guess is the 7.3 and the front axle will still be there, the 10 speed will probably crap itself, and as for the aluminum body, well, at least it won't rust lol.
It’s not an f-150... this has the 7.3 gas engine it’s made to pull heavy loads and do work... not to be a smooth riding pavement princess. This guy need a Honda ridgline
Bilstein 5100 shocks, and Sulastic Spring Shackles are the solution. If Ford was smart. They would be standard equipment! Just watch the video from your fellow RUclipsr, Big Truck Big RV.
I just checked out the Sulastic Spring Shackles. Appears to be a great product. I wonder if those can be used with the optional Full Progressive rear leaf spring packs from Carli suspension. The Full Progressive springs are built by Deaver Spring. The King 2.5 shocks provide an even better ride than the Bilstein 5100 shocks.....but very expensive. Thanks for your comment.
If you thought that video was cool, check out our Million Mile Ford Super Duty video with the owner: ruclips.net/video/kNHax-CHSEs/видео.html
Wow. 1,336,000 miles...Love these Old Timers and what a great story. He reminds me of my G-Pa who they call Clint Eastwood..LOL
Jeff Jassby great guy for sure. Check out the other video with him and the out takes.
you need some leg extensions upgrades :)
hey man just an honest critique. i dont even own a truck but i know that a f250 will not drive as well unloaded as loaded because the spring pack is so stiff in the back that it needs weight to feel more plyable when hitting small bumps. alot of bigger trucks are this way.
Amerikanski sure. That’s the way a lot of trucks used to be. I was really aiming just to inform consumers of the ride difference between trucks. Not trying to say the F250 rode horrible. Funny to me how people are focused on the latter.
I could really go for a mean tweet and some $1.73 a gallon gas right about now...
Right!
🤣🤣🤣 I really miss those mean tweets more then the gas ⛽️
@@patsnation3221 agreed. Good gas prices are great but when you president gets a terrorist leader killed and then tells the whole world he died like a bitch… that’s priceless
@@Hazmat0357 I loved that.. he was cowering in a corner.. trump was on another level of awesome
Amen brother!!
I could care less how fast a work truck goes , or how many gadgets it has !
I'm interested in longevity and how it performs under a load
To each their own but rams are ugly trucks and fall apart like they were made in China. Their only redeeming quality is the Cummins engine in their HD trucks, but I'd still prefer an international.
You could care less huh? So you do care to a certain point how fast a work truck goes, and how many gadgets it has.
Best true comment.
*COULDN'T*
Then you should be looking at toyota
You want to smooth out the ride? Put 600lb in the box. A truck should feel like a truck. People are getting way to pampered.
just bought a 2021 f250 and I absolutely Love this truck! I understand the ride quality isn't as smooth because of the solid front axel but if you want a truck that will last you for decades this is the truck for you! Will never sell this truck now that I have one. Remember Ford is the real American Truck! great review!
Ford 10 speeds are junk, lawsuits have been filed, look it up... just like the rest of the junk they build
"This truck is too big..." "This truck rides too rough..." "I can't reach..." "I have to use the step..."
OK.... get a Prius.
Nah. Lots of other trucks fit the bill!
Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk you realize this is a work truck right? You don’t buy these to expect luxury you expect to get work done.
@@Rippersshow not anymore. Status symbol
Lol. At 410 overall height i been knowing of it is out of my reach. Lol. Truck life.
How would that be the solution? or funny for that matter...
I own a 2019 crew lariat diesel, I lowered tire pressure to 60 psi , removed Rancho shocks. Installed bilstien 4600 shocks all around . Big improvement
I can see that. Glad I’m not alone in the ride comfort criticism.
Ron - check out the Carli 2.5 Pintop suspension system with the King shocks. Expensive......but, makes the Ford Super Duty or Dodge Heavy Duty ride almost like a Cadillac........rides way better than a Chevrolet or GMC Heavy Duty.
I put bilsteins on mine and it's a drastic improvement on quality.
I put 5100's on everything, the 4600's are stock for most Toyota trucks and SUV's.
I have the Bilstien 4600 shocks on my Tundra. Would replace with the same
Can't wait to buy this truck in 2030 at a lower price. 🤞🏻
Mean 4g63
It’s a V8 naturally aspirated pushrod. How simple do you want? Are you saying you’re too dumb to figure even that out?
@@francesco1998 no he means all the damn electronics these new trucks have on them now that people who actually use the trucks for dont use need or want on them.
@@eristeogarza2290 That is proven wrong , otherwise people would be buying fleet trucks. Also there is the stx available.
When it's not nearly as nice of a truck. Lol
@@calebniederhofer6529 its possible to make a nice interior minus the bullshit. I would live a king ranch with manual everything.
I have always wished cat would make a solid work truck!
Our ancestors rode horses and walked across a continent and now people are winning about.
Its too hard and its too rough 😭😭😭😭😭😭
But they didnt pay $40-60k for their horse.....even with inflation adjusted....😂
Wait? I was whining?!?
I agree who buys a 3/4 ton truck for the ride... That's like buying a smart car then bitching because it's to small.
@Robert Condon What does that have to do with buying a truck??....😂😂😂
@@Pickuptrucktalk nah, he said winning, you are winning not whining...
Yea I bought a big block for the mpg said no man ever
Randy Jolly I agree I have a big block Chevy 8.1 (496ci.) for the pulling power 450 lbs of torque And I still have my Chevy 6.0 (360ci) 375 lbs of torque . I love the pulling power and the sound of the big block.
Blame the truck for being short.
I currently drive a Dodge 2500 QC 4x4; it is a tall truck for an 2008 but the bed is 36" off the ground, which made it a challenge to hook the gooseneck trailer. The trailer tires were flipped but it still rides at an angle. I'll sell it one of these days and not worry about it.
Maybe a Ridgeline would suit your needs better :)
MAYBE! LOL. Yeah, no...
LMAO
Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk everyone is giving you flack but you gotta review what the truck has it just so happens idc lol 😂
Now that's some funny shit. 😂
Haha not my style but the ridgeline is actually what most people need!!
$3.48 a gal now in 2022. It’s a killer. Love to go back to $1.78 you paid
As for the ride of IFS vs a solid front axle, the reason Ford continues on with the solid front axle is because it is a truck. It is used for truck things, like hauling a heavy load. Put a heavy load in the bed of an IFS truck and you'll change the caster and camber of the front suspension. Not so with a truck with a solid front axle. The more you know, the more you know Ford.
Excellent Comment!!! Plus the solid front axle has much better axle articulation off-road compared to the IFS axle. Read article in Four Wheeler magazine - Frontend Fued - IFS vs Solid Axle.
But, if you get the death wobble in Super Duty you will never forget it and you will cuss the solid axle. I still can fathom why Ford hasn't resolved this...
Tim, I normally like your reviews but this one I feel you were somewhat off on a few items...particular the 5 dis-likes. You probably needed more coffee...and a heat wave LOL. The ride differences between the Solid axel and IFS...the Solid will ride stiffer...I agree. No question about it. I drove both GMC/FORD before I bought, adjusted the pressures to 60 lbs on all 4 corners and much was improved on the solid axle truck. If I am a betting man you probably had close to 80lbs and with colder temps made the situation worse. I have always been more of a GM guy..sold all my diesels and now went to a Gas truck. Probably be my last truck before retirement. I decided the Ford was a better fit over all and just felt like it was built better. More substantial. The Seats were more comfortable, ergonomics appeared better, power felt much better and I liked the 10 speed. Both dealers even let me tow my 13k load....the 7.3 was clearly more powerful and the torque was impressive, even down low. The Ford felt more like a heavy duty vs the GMC a heavy 1/2 ton. Fuel mileage is around 12.9- 13.4 job site to job site....and I am now getting 16.4-6 as an average at 74mph on cruise control. Height and getting in was about the same with both trucks having the same 20's. I live in the south which helps my review....LOL....it's warm Thank You....and flat here. Take Care.
Damn cold temps! I think we are mostly in agreement reading your comments. And sure, dropping the tire pressure will soften a ride at the expense of wear and some fuel economy. I test them as the manufacturer set them up so no changing tire pressure.
FWIW, I bitch about GM’s 2500 being tall as well.
I liked the 7.3L and the seats. No argument from me. I just don’t understand why you need a damn ladder to add oil!
Jeff - does your Ford have 20 inch rims? If so, you might consider an 18 inch rim.....more tire sidewall equals a little bit softer ride and better off-road performance. If you have the 4.30 gears in the differentials, you might want to check out a Carli 2 1/2 inch leveling suspension system .....the 2.5 Pintop with King shocks and Goodyear DuraTrac 285 / 75R - 18 tires.....which are 11.2 inches wide and 35.1 inches tall......same tire on the new 2020 Ford Super Duty Tremor. The leveling suspension system just raises the front...not the rear. Hellwig offers an air bag if you decide you want the optional Carli rear leaf spring packs which are made by Deaver Spring.
@@15Jeep I am waiting for Dan at Carli to release their gas/7.3 suspension lift which will be a coil over shock vs using the heavier diesel coils and set up. Supposedly 3rd quarter. I do have 20's and I agree on your comment on the 18's. I almost ordered a Tremor but decided on the Lariat Sport package do to I am mostly on the road and didn't need the more aggressive tires and a few of the stuff the Tremor came with...plus the 4k price tag. My last truck had 37 12.5 20, and on this truck I am taming it down some...LOL.. and going to stick with the stock wheels..order some 295 65 20's which is a 35.1-35.4 x 11.6-12.0 depending on manufacturer and the Carli lift. I already changed the front air dam and fender wells from Ford to the same as the Tremor ...This way it will look like the Tremor when I get done with better road manners and definitely better off road...just wont have the locking front diff and a few other things. Thanks for the help.
How is your fuel economy while towing with that godzilla?
@@15Jeep With the standard tires the sidewall is the same on the 18" and 20" on a 2020 SD. 18" runs 275/65/18, 20 runs 275/65/20. However on a 4x4 with 18" wheels you can get the *optional* 275/70/18s...
That axle your complaining about will be there when the chevy is in the junkyard
😂 good comment.
Truck with a solid axle will also tow better putting more weight up front.
After 10 years of fleet repair, pickups are the small end of what I have to service, but the solid axles do a great job and they at least last. If I wanted my truck to drive like a car, I'd have bought a car. That being said... trucks have gone and basically turned into cars these days anyway. I'm glad I bought the last one before everything went powered.
Awwwww pudding go bk to your safe place kid
Must be a Chevy towing the POS ford to the junk yard then
The straight axle up front serves as the reason why Ram and Ford are the towing vehicles of choice. The IFS may be more comfortable, when you you're towing heavy, thus the truck weight shifting rearward, the IFS setup allows way more sway than would solid axles up front. Plus they generally boast better longevity over the years/miles.
I'm pretty sure this Ford could probably use the FOX steering stabilizer upgrade to smooth the ride over the rough pavement.
Welcome back to pushrod engines, Ford!
Devil’s Advocate. Why do you say towing vehicles of choice? I recently interviewed a Chevy owner who is a camper trailer hauler. He had no problems with IFS.
@@Pickuptrucktalk when towing long range, and over various grades and terrain, it's been my experience that live axles f/r are a bit more poised, particularly in the steering(less wandering, better stability, etc). To your credit, I have not driven a new GM HD, so things may have changed since last-gen.
I like both! The Ifs ride quality is way better especially off road. The straight axle seems to be stronger when a plow is needed but how many people need a plow? Not as many as people who dont! We live in a world now where people say I need that straight axle but I'll never pull more than a car on a trailer or a large toolbox lol
@@czwarlord9243 because it is your preference, that does NOT make any of my statements false. There are significant reasons why Ram and Ford have chosen to stick with solid axles up front, chief amongst them are the trucks strength, durability, and long-term sustainability, particularly for a vehicle that is always put to work, like an HD should. I'm not opposed to an IFS, particularly on a 3/4 ton application, but for serious hauling, you will need the stability and reliability of a solid axle.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I’m a heavy truck mechanic, and do get to work on little trucks down to 1/2 ton. Included in that is the ever present overloaded gm one ton utility truck that has enough front end rebound and overweight steering to feel like your trying to control a monkey humping an accordion
When i was riding in the back of a six by six with some other fellas' the ride was very stiff and bumpy. After filling the back of the truck with two feet of sandbags filled with dirt, the big five ton truck rode like a cadillac because of the weight of the dirt bags pushing on the leaf springs, while travelling over bumpy terrain. So if anyone has a problem with a stiff riding car or truck, the simple solution is to put some sand bags in the load compartment. For a car , put a sand bag or two on the floorboards behind the front seats. You'll even have more controll in the snow too.
Know this = 50% of any vehicle's ride is in its tires. Yes, the tires. Take off whatever came from the factory and replace them with the best Michelin tire for your application. By doing this one thing, you will improve the ride of your vehicle. I drive a Ford Excursion. With me and some of my junk in it, it weighs 8000 pounds. My last set of Michelin LTX MS 2 tires lasted 110,000 miles - verified at my Ford dealer. Smooth and quiet ride, Load range E. I did go up one size, from 265/75/16 to 285/75/16. You will not find a better riding tire than a Michelin. Period.
Yep, the million mile Ford I had on this channel was riding on Michelin tires. That owner swore by them. I can see different tires really helping the ride quality. Thanks for commenting!
I completely agree.......almost. I have had Michelin LTX.....both the M/S and AT2 tires on my Ford Super Duty trucks since 2002. I have Michelin XPS Rib tires on my horse trailer. However, I am now using one of my trucks considerably more off-road......in both mud and snow conditions, and Michelin does not make a tire I need. By far the most popular tire seems to be Toyo. However, for both mud off-road caused by snow melt...and snow packed paved roads, I like the Interco TrXus tire and the Goodyear DuraTrac tires. Goodyear makes a 285 / 75R - 18...which is 11.2 inches wide (narrow width is great for snow) and 35.1 inches tall. The tire has great mud lugs...cleans the mud out well and siping on the lugs for great traction on snow packed roads. The 18 inch diameter tire has more side wall than a 20 inch tire.....therefore, a softer ride both on and off road. If Michelin made a comparable tire, I would probably buy it.....but they don't.
Of the 5 things you like, the engine is what I agree with. It seems like a more simple design with less stuff to go wrong. The convience features seem like more stuff to break. I want a truck to keep for 30 years, not a denison of the dealership that I will want to get rid of as soon as the warranty is up. I really dont want an otherwise reliable truck that is always in the shop getting the heated seats and tailgate actuators fixed.
This is a good ford motor. I believe it will be great. Getting rid of all that ohv triton twin turbo shit that has made fords P.O. Shits for 20+ years is the way to go. Solid front axle is the way to go for plowing snow, ford always had good transmissions and diff's and now with a solid motor its going to be a beast.
Well the 5.4l in the f250s has always been good theyre slightly different than the f150s but the changes made it better, personally i like my 5.4l f250, my next trucks gonna ve a 6.0l build though
That is more stuff than I can ever imagine wanting. This has confirmed when mine finally dies I'm ordering another base model.
I'm 6ft 2, easy to get in, ride, awesome! I like the bouncy truck feel of the truck.
Again, priceless...you answered the fix for a tall truck by pointing out the running boards. I will say no more.
I think you'd be happier in a Prius.
LMAO.
this guy should not have a 250 ...
As a taller person that has gained weight over the years I really appreciate the larger trucks and the higher up they are the easier they are to work on as they age. So I love the jacked F250 big trucks and getting into them.
For a shorter person having to go thru the tailgate to get something all the time will be a big pain.
You get it. Different sizes and trucks for different folks.
@@Pickuptrucktalk We get it, you need a Lowrider...some of us need ground clearance...
The highlight of this video is how low that “price per gallon” of gas was
My 2020 XL STX 7.3L Supercab, same color your testing, had horrible fuel mileage when I bought with 8 miles (purchased April 11, 2020) on the odometer. Averaged 12.8 mpg hwy for the first 500 miles, mpg increased once I passed 1000 miles. Upgrade tires at 1600 miles to Toyo AT2 Extreme (285/75/18) and averaged 15.5 mpg at 75 mph, all highway, from San Antonio TX to Oklahoma City OK. I now have 5100 miles and average 14.8 mix city/hwy driving. Just pulled a skid steer (10.6K lbs.) with our 14K 22ft PJ trailer (3300 lbs.) averaged 10.1 mpg at 70 mph. The truck does the job well.
Sounds like my results are fairly close to yours. Thanks for sharing.
Chevy has a bounce when hitting bumps, I prefer solid axle for hauling, plowing
I had a 2500HD and I prefer the IFS over the solid axle in my F-250...and especially over the death wobble. I still don't understand why Ford can't get the death wobble resolved.
I've driven both Ford and Chevy. The Chevy HD rides better.
@@stacyadiaz they don't care
@@duanepredhome6523 gay
@@leeham6230 who the f are you!!! Pissant
You get used to the rougher ride in no time and it will hold up WAY better than a gm. IFS has no place on a superduty class truck.
Completely Agree!!! Moreover......install a Carli suspension 2.5 Pintop with the King shocks.........and the Ford will now ride way better than the GM truck........and also have superior axle articulation resulting in superb off-road ability over the GM trucks. IFS axle is only good for high speed off-road racing. The Solid Front Axle is much better for a daily driver 4WD vehicle that is used for recreational off-road use and or for people who live off of non-paved roads.
neither does aluminum...
@@bicdaddy Respectfully Disagree! The sheet metal (steel) body parts and panels have been very thin for decades. There is virtually no difference in the ease to dent the steel or aluminum body parts. That said...aluminum has a BIG advantage.....it does not rust like steel. Chevrolet and GMC trucks have had a "rust out" history of body parts and panels. Aluminum is a better choice.
In addition, Ford trucks have a fully boxed frame.....that has e-Coat. The GM truck frames are still coated with wax. GM engineers just cannot build a good 4WD truck. Great LS V8 engines.....but poorly designed and engineered little girl "car like" trucks...only good for hauling groceries and a few items from home improvement stores. In short, GM 4WD trucks are junk!
Mike Marler I’m not arguing about the benefits of aluminum! I get the point of it... but if you want to understand the issues of it, talk to ANY body shop. You can’t repair aluminum panels... and they crumble like beer cans. It can turn a $1k repair into a $10k+ repair in a heartbeat.
@@bicdaddy You are correct about the repair of aluminum body panels. However, not many steel panels are repaired because the labor cost of repair and materials exceeds the cost of a new panel and materials.
The big difference is the replacement cost of steel panels compared to aluminum panels. Currently, the cost of replacement aluminum panels is outrageous. The costs of replacement aluminum panels will come down as more trucks end up in salvage yards. I have heard Ford is also the only supplier.....which keeps costs high due to no competition.
Thanks for posting. The MPG was about what I expected, although I was hoping it would be better for highway with no trailer or load. At 2:25, it shows with a full tank, the range was limited to just 322 miles. At 13 MPG, that says the gas tank is only 25 gallons. My 2017 F-250 LONG BED has a 48 gallon tank - makes a huge difference.
Keep it coming...the fact that you even have a phone charger (wireless) in a truck that actually is build to perform = priceless. Complaining about the ergonomics of such an unneeded feature...also priceless.
"8 inches seems so small these days"
That's what she said!
Lmao
My 2017 f350 rides and runs perfectly with 1500 lbs in the back. Love everything but the constant warning chime
My 2019 F250 rides and runs perfectly as well. It's designed to haul weight and pull.
The IFS from GM is a winner in my book. Rock solid and a comfortable ride. Edit* I do wish the GM had an actual locking rear diff.
I drove a 2018 F350 regular cab long bed my fire department bought for a brush truck when it was empty before we outfitted it and it drives way better than my 94 F150. Easily.
Your complaints (if you want to call em that) make me feel even better about the truck lol. Did y’all even notice how much room there is in that engine bay. Talk about easy to work on
5.0L f150 is great engine bay, access is easy, can't be critical of this heavy duty truck, used super duty for 10 years in the mining industry, low operating cost. Thanks for review
Yeah that’s looks delightful compared to the 04-08 f-150 with a 5.4😂😂 they’ve improved so much. I feel that this motor will be a very good motor and will be very simple and easy to work on and maintain.
@@popeyeandstraussmx4165 I have an 04 F150...I didn't get the 3V 5.4 because it was "New" for 04...after hearing all the issues...I couldn't be more happy with the bullet proof 4.6L...Granted 70hp deficit makes the truck gutless...but life is tradeoffs... My 2008 F250 had 3V V10 has been bullet proof as well...
Mister S what’s your point? They never had issues from 2009 and up but, either way I actually own a 5.4 3v as a farm truck and I’m now turning into my daily, it’s a great motor it was owned by a cop and another farmer before me and has 165k miles and has sludge built up in the heads form oil changes being neglected... very inderrated engine. Wanna know how to “bulletproof” a triton? Bigger oil pump. That’s it. As long as the other issues haven’t started the oil pump will save them. The 4.6 is literally identical to the 5.4. Same heads, cams, the only difference is the intake manifold and displacement. The oil pump was simply too small on the V10 and 5.4 to feel the top end, it would do fine if you took care of the oil changes but this is America nobody does that. So oil sludges up clogs ports and the oil can’t go through because of the weak oil pump made for a smaller engine
@@popeyeandstraussmx4165 Um no...My 4.6 is 2V...and there are literally 1000's of V10s 2V and 3V with 300-500K on them with routine maintenance... Use the correct oil and change at 5000 like your manual states...and no issues... I don't know anything about 09+ trucks... I don't buy the first year of ANY engine. FYI the 2V 5.4 in the econoline has ZERO issues as well...the cam phaser was a SHITTY idea. (There were people that were having their truck routinely serviced at the dealer, and had cam phaser issues, some even during the warranty! - It was a bad design, everyone knows this)
ahh the good ole days of $1.78/gal gas. Here we are at $4/gal
Plug your phone into one of those gadgets you praised.
Crying because the truck is tall is asinine. It’s a truck
The one thing everyone missed; your not supposed to use E85 fuel in the 7.3. 87 or higher is what the manufacturer requires.
depending on elevation.
$1.73....fast forward to 2021 and it’s $4/gal or more in some areas. Since this is Nebraska maybe they are around $3.50
I went from a 2016 F250 4wd lariat ultimate crew cab to a 2024 F350 4wd lariat ultimate crew sport both 6.7 powerstroke diesels both where short boxes the new truck gets better mileage but rides a lot harder
I gave GM a hard time over the IFS but it’s actually good. I overhauled the IFS in my 2008 and it’s beefy, not Dana 60 or sterling solid axle but it’s tough. I don’t think it rides any better than solid axle. 2011+ IFS do ride better though.
Your truck is a crew cab 6.8 ft bed 4x4 in what looks like XLT or lariat trim . It should be around 6560lbs curb weight, the way I figured this is by adding 100lbs to the curb weight of the same truck as yours equipped with the 6.2 gas v8 which is about 100lbs lighter than the 7.3 godzilla. Fun fact the 6.7 powerstroke is a full 700 pounds heavier than the 6.2 making it 600lbs more than the 7.3.
I think the 7.3 dually 4x4 4.3 axle ratio regular cab 8.2 ft bed would be an incredible snow plow vehicle with some good dedicated winter rubber (nokian hakkapelittas) would be the ultimate setup.
Solid front axle is the only way to go if you're going to be towing heavy or frequent. This is where Ford and Ram both understand their customers in the heavy duty segment. If you want a family hauler buy the GM, if you want a work truck Ford or Ram, it's really that simple.
Completely Agree 1000 percent.
Glad I bought a powerboost 2021 f150 and can still tow 12000 and run around town with 24 mpg. Ya, towing will use use more, but we only tow a few times a year. And, tow a 7500 pound trailer.
Number one thing wrong with this truck is its 50k over priced... oh wait so is chevy gmc and ljst goes on... !!!
Your number 1 complaint is: Oil cap out of reach, well, you shouldn't have to put oil in it, its a new truck! I never have, and at Ford an Oil change and tyre rotation is $53🙂
When pulling a trailer it rides like a Cadillac. So use it for what it’s meant to be and it’s a great truck
Right. The vehicle is designed to tow/haul well over a ton in the bed or tow up to 15k. In order to be stiff enough to do that the ride quality is going to suffer when it's empty. Load it up and it rides great because all that stiffness is doing its job. Take the tires down to 50 psi when it's empty and a lot of that harshness goes away. No one buying this truck should be running it empty a majority of the time, there are a ton of cheaper, smaller, more comfortable trucks for that purpose. This is a work truck or a toy hauler.
There is no real debate between IFS and SFA.
The IFS rides better and the SFA is more durable, better for lifting, better for plow usage…and essentially better in every way that makes a truck a truck.
Pick your poison.
I’ll take a SFA is a HD 4x4 truck all day every day without second thought.
The wireless charger should be in the indent on top of the dash, maybe w/ a smoked cover to keep some of the sun off the phone. That way the phone can actually pick up a GPS signal while you're using Google Maps or Waze w/ the Android Auto built into Sync 3.
A good honest evaluation. Th3 7.3L gas motor is what Ford SHOULD have built 20 years ago! Instead, we've suffered with all of the different versions of the Triton engines with all of their different problems and complicated overhead cams, etc. Maybe this will give GM incentive to bring back the 8.1 Vortec. Personally, I'd find it pretty hard to drive around in something screaming "Super Duty".
Nah, 7.3 was a step back in every way except raw displacement.
An upsized/revised 6.2 Boss with the 7.3’s cooling improvements would have also smoked the 7.3.
Noticed that the gas was 85 octane. Is this what Ford recommended? Interesting to see what MPG you would get with the 87 octane.
Recommended is 87. Not required.
You get worse gas milage on 85 you should do it on 87
Where the heck is 87 not the base "regular" ?! Curious. I've never even seen 85
Dalton v
Go into higher elevation areas. Our regular gas is 85 octane. Premium fuel is 91
@@BillUtah You are correct. Places like CO the 85 octane is equivalent to 87 octane at sea level and it provides the same amount of power. However, each state has a different set of rules for pollution controls so the amount may differ. I now live in NM where most "regular" is 87 octane, but some cities 85 is the "regular". Go figure.
Just what the world needs, another guy judging a work truck by car standards. Some of us need trucks to do truck stuff. That axle you are incessantly crying about is one of the trucks greatest attributes. Maybe you would be better served at your local Lincoln dealership.
😂 just pointing it out. Don’t think it’s that terrible.
Owners manual specifically states to never use less than 87 octane with the 7.3 even when in a high altitude area....
Actually, per the media’s site tech sheet, they “recommend” 87. Aka not required.
media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2020/f-series-super-duty/2020-Super-Duty-Tech-Specs.pdf
@@Pickuptrucktalk I think Duane is correct. Owners manual states "Some fuel stations, particularly those in
high altitude areas, offer fuels posted as regular unleaded gasoline with an octane rating below 87. The use of these fuels could result in engine damage that will not be covered by the vehicle warranty."
www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/Catalog/owner_information/2020-Ford-F250-F350-F450-F550-F600-Owners-Manual-version-1._om_EN_10_2019.pdf
Yes, this is the portion of the manual i'm referencing.
I'm going to find the vid of the guy that used 85 in Colorado regularly and already has damage in under 10k miles.
Duane Moore sounds like Ford is stating two different things.
4.30 gears with that big motor I'm not surprised with the mileage
As far as solid vs ifs.. fords don't send front wheels into the woods on a regular because weak front suspension/axle materials
GM thinks IFS stands for "It's Fine, Seriously." It isn't, and it's not limited to their larger light/medium duty trucks. Even my '03 Sonoma 2.2 has gone through many more front suspension parts than it should (300k miles) and it's just RWD and driven honestly.
I've had a few trucks in my day, not a lot but a few. Ifs in a half ton is fine if you want the ride, I moved up to 3/4 ton for the payload, give me a solid axle! If I had a half ton I'd still want the solid axle, it's a TRUCK! After a gutless 5.4 for last 12 years I love my new Godzilla. Best gas motor I've driven since the old v-8 400 in the early 80s! I like the 10 speed, but I miss my clutch.
Sounds like decent mileage for a cold day, but seems like the 7.3 and 6.2 get basically the same mileage. I was really hoping the ten speed transmission would make a big difference. Maybe you'll only see it on long highway trips unloaded. I use these trucks for patrol trucks and don't buy diesel for those because we depreciate them way too fast to justify the additional expense and cost of maintenance. I miss when diesel trucks lasted longer.
“wargh my truck is too big!! wargh the phone holder is too inconvenient!!!!”
I was really hoping it would do a little better on fuel. Those mpg numbers are about the same as the old V10/460.
But the $8k difference between the PSD and the 7.3 Godzilla will buy a lot of gas....depending on the driving, it would take about 10 years to make up the difference in fuel cost.
I know this video is old. I have driven 250's before, didnt think much if it other than it being big, years ago. I traded my 2020 loaded XLT 150 in for a hard to find 2022 F-250 ( at this time in 22 they are hard to find) . It was basically like my F150 and bought it on the spot. OMG was I in for a surprise, this thing drove like a john deer tractor lawn mower. Almost need 2 hands to turn it. Super rough. Thankfully its not my daily driver but for mainly pulling a camper and 5th wheel in the future.
One thing I noticed when he showed the spec sheet on this truck is that it has a payload downgrade (only 10,000 GVWR)...which will make for a nicer ride unloaded, but it also had the 4.30 rear end. The gas mileage would be a bit better with a 3.73.
That truck was built to tow...not drive around empty or with anything close to heavy in the back...I bet it's max payload is less than 2500 lbs.
I thought all pickups had a max of 10k gvwr?
@@markhopkinsphoto7257 you can get the payload increased up to 11,500. Some do the payload reduction for state registration fee reduction.
I think all of his dislikes are subjective to the driver. Other folks may love the truck the way it is. Obviously is isn’t too bad because he’s still driving it.
That should have been my "Top 5 first world problems" lol
LOL. Sure. It is nick picky.
I trust the IFS more than the death wobble that Ford has had a problem with for a while now. The death wobble will make you crap your pants not having control of the steering and wanting to get a different truck. Ford needs to take customer and public safety more serious.
if your thinking of buying, check out the forums, also make sure you inspect every inch of the truck, door alignment, box alignmemt with cab, They are nice trucks, but they have problems right off the lott,
3/4 Trucks are basically designed to have more spring and suspension to be able to be compressed to the right level when towing. Same issue for 1 tons on driving one around and complaining about the ride quality with no load. These are works trucks, not your grocery getter. I'd rather have more of a stiffer ride, without a load to ensure what is being towed is efficient.
Considering the Ford front suspension vs GM coil springs, my discussion with heavy duty truck fleet owners say the GM front suspensions are less durable.
I tow a 5th wheel and need a sturdy front suspension, even ordered a snow plow package.
rides not bad, rather have the durability
I would agree with the fleet owners. However, the Ford front suspension has coil springs......so do the GM trucks. The difference is in the axle...not the type of spring. The Ford and Dodge trucks have a coil spring on top of a Solid Front Axle.....the GM trucks have coil springs with IFS Axle. In addition, the differential that houses the gears......cast iron on solid axles......aluminum on most IFS axels. Cast Iron is stronger. ..and better.
K No kidding. You can live with a rough ride unless you have a bad back. You can’t live with a girly truck towing heavy at least for long.
If 0 to 60 mph in a F250 don't make sense to you. Why bother crying about ford putting v6 engines in their trucks?
Next truck will be a Tremor XLT with the 7.3L gas and Tremor sticker delete!
I like my sticker. It actually blends in well with my two tone iconic silver and magnetic colors. Other colors would consider removing it though. Lets people know you don't have a normal model?
No doubt the Tremor is a cool package from Ford. John.....like your 7.3 engine choice. Before you spend the money on the Tremor package.....check out the Carli 2 1/2 inch leveling suspension - 2.5 Pintop with the King shocks. Also, consider the options offered by Carli...front sway bar, radius arms...and especially the Deaver rear leaf springs. You can add Hellwig air bags in the rear to make up any lost GVWR. Watch videos on Carli suspension here on RUclips. Call Carli and talk to Tyler. In addition, you can always buy the 18 inch Tremor rims with the Goodyear DuraTrac 285 / 75R - 18 tires on eBay. I have those tires on my Ford Super Duty and that rubber is awesome in mud and snow!
Hate the sticker
@J CR 4sure, also the off road wheels/tires, 2" lift, trimmed front valance, 36" water fording tubes, off-road shocks, rock crawl mode, probably some other things can't quite remember atm
There isn’t a debate wats stronger the solid is stronger Also turns tighter
The turning radius stinks too. I have the same truck, but I love it.
Damn $1.78/gallon miss those days
Thank you for the height reference; being seven inches taller than the host makes the stock-ride height seem average to me.
Glad I could help! 😂
Reason #1 that you do not want a long plastic oil filler neck sticking out from the valve cover is the outside temperature difference you get from the valve cover to the plastic neck causes major condensation that results in a build up of that milky-white oil-water sludge that ends up dripping down into the engine, and over the period of what I'm guessing is a 8000 mile oil change interval, can build up significantly. I had the same issue on a Jeep I owned years ago with the 3.7L. Oil filler neck always had to be flushed out at almost every oil change.
85 is too low octane for that 7.3 V8!
It's an awesome truck, we love ours. Toughen up!
I just ordered one. Your dislikes where trivial to say the least. Remember we are buying a truck. If you dont like the ride buy a car...
Enjoy your new truck! Probably taking my comments a bit too personal.
It's not a truck. It's a
low rider. Should be higher up for ground clearance like a real truck should be.
Dude, I thought the truck rides fine. Ford retuned the suspension to ride more like a F-150. The steering is also lighter making it easier to drive.
So I think your 5 things you do not like are really 3. The 7.3 seems like a gas hog.
12.8 mpg on a millage test run without trailer, My diesel f250 gets 17 mpg all day not towing, with my 9000 pound trailer I get 14-15 mpg without breaking a sweat. Newer diesel superdutys get better fuel millage than mine. Now Long Beach ca. to Las Vegas without a trailer I burn less than a half a tank of fuel with a 38 gallon tank. Now my point the 7.3 gas will get around 7 to 8 mpg towing a moderate trailer, a larger 5th wheel type you will get 5 mpg, just like the old 460 ford truck engine ford used before the 7.3 gas. We dont buy trucks for fuel millage reasons at least most of us dont, so why should we buy a truck with an add on price of 2,000 dollars to get a 7.3 gas engine upgrade, and not pop 8,000 dollars more for the diesel 6.7 monster diesel with over a thousand pounds of Torque?
One thing high torque numbers mean is the engine does not work very hard to do the same job a lower torque number engine ( 7.3 gas with 475 torque) screaming its guts out. When towing your camper trailer a lot, towing trailers a lot for work and such, plus resale value, you are better off with the 6.7 if you are buying new. Here is an interesting fact that might interest you folks that dont know better, the diesel engine (any) will last many many miles more than any gas engine doing the same job............You can read this and learn, do some more research and buy the diesel over that 7.3 gasser, or you can opt for that gasser 7.3, than when you want to sell it you will find out that the 100,000 mile truck you have is worthless, because no one will want it. The high millage gas engine, is like musical chairs, last person who buys the truck ends up with no chair when the gas engine gives up the ghost.
There are tons of people that either pretend to be experts on these trucks, on youtube showing you how great that 7.3 gasser can pull a heavy trailer up a steep hill just as good, fast as the 6.7 diesel or they really are experts and are lying to you. It isnt how fast it goes up a hill, its how many times it will climb that hill before the engine wears out?????
Cant stop people from doing dumb things, we can only pass on honest information to those that are looking for it to make sound decisions. If any of you folks buy the 7.3 gasser to tow your campers and we diesel owners and you share a camp fire together some time, I personally will treat you in a respectful, friendly way, but wont be able to control myself with a snicker behind your back, my guess the other diesel owners sitting there will do the same............
Michael
I really do like the solid live axle on my (older) Super Duty. I agree it takes some getting used to but it doesn't bother me anymore, I just really like the ruggedness and low maintenance.
That's decent MPGs for an engine that size. That's a little better than what i average w/ my 5.4L towing.
Finally...agreed! The Super Duty series, in general, could benefit from the aftermarket kits available for ride quality. Ford needs to learn something here.
I like to watch the reviews on the new truck's. All the gadgets are nice till they stop working. Sure hope the 7.3 gasser holds up.
Till then I'll keep my 01 f250 7.3
Just did a 980 mile trip with a 700 lbs motorcycle and carrier hanging on the back of the old Ford . I do have a triple reciever hitch. And got 17 mpg. Of course it's tuned. And 2wd.
$1.78 a gallon...... those were the days!
Good review Tim. I like this truck a lot. Great engine & trans. Rougher ride as this is a true 3/4 ton & equipped to tow. Also has LT tires.
Thanks!
Borrowed a friends 2020 f250 last weekend. I was shocked at how dim the headlights were driving home at night. I haven’t had headlights that dim since the old sealed-beam days.
After being on the road a few years I feel that a live front axle will pull a trailer down the road straighter than an independent suspension will.
You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The truth is the HD IFS trucks handle the same with or without a load. We drive in brigade of 10 trucks plus on the way up to eastern Colorado every year and those Silverados and GMCs do just as well and that's coming from me a Ford owner.
It's tall because it's a long wheelbase vehicle and not everyone lives in Nebraska. Lots of places around the country will have those steps beat senseless in no time flat...
Thanks for the video...currently looking at an F250 for longetivity.
Check back on 5-7 years. :P
My guess is the 7.3 and the front axle will still be there, the 10 speed will probably crap itself, and as for the aluminum body, well, at least it won't rust lol.
@@hunkleberrymilldewbeespark3851 says the Chevy guys with his truck in the scrap yard 1year later
I couldn't agree with you more about the height of these trucks, not to mention the higher center of gravity!!
So less than five minutes into the review and you're talking about ride you say you are a real truck guy? LOL
It’s not an f-150... this has the 7.3 gas engine it’s made to pull heavy loads and do work... not to be a smooth riding pavement princess. This guy need a Honda ridgline
The Ford square body 250 4X4’s were the worst ride. I herniated a disc just by hitting a pothole once.
No kidding? 😯
85 octane? No wonder the mpg’s sucked!
The "Air Dam' you're going to rip off will cost you about 1mpg
And with the Procharger supercharger 0-60 time drops to 5.2 seconds
That’s an impressive 0-60 for a small block f250.
I thought so as well. It is really a lot quicker than you would imagine.
Bilstein 5100 shocks, and Sulastic Spring Shackles are the solution. If Ford was smart. They would be standard equipment!
Just watch the video from your fellow RUclipsr, Big Truck Big RV.
I just checked out the Sulastic Spring Shackles. Appears to be a great product. I wonder if those can be used with the optional Full Progressive rear leaf spring packs from Carli suspension. The Full Progressive springs are built by Deaver Spring. The King 2.5 shocks provide an even better ride than the Bilstein 5100 shocks.....but very expensive. Thanks for your comment.
I see a lot of F250 work trucks in Mississippi.