@@bobgallo3775 Did you ever hear about the school bus full of kids that tried to beat a freight train in Congers New York? The children were yelling at the driver to stop. The train hit the bus . It was a truly horrible day in Congers.
@@johnalder6028 Hey John, no I don't recall that one. I truly feel for the crew on the train, as they saw it coming and were helpless to prevent it. Sometimes I am glad that I never became an engineer.
My Uncle worked with officers from city, county, state and Railroad law enforcement in the CARE program (Crossing Accident Reduction Enforcement). People misjudge and underestimate the power and speed of a train. I could tell it's Michigan State Police by the unique color, light and hood mounted STOP sign.
Nearly 30 years I spent on the Southern Pacific. Hit two cars which resulted in two fatalities. One was a 16 year old boy learning how to drive with his dad. The dad made it out physically unscathed. The CHP said the boy died in his dad's arms. (:-( That was in Keyes, CA about 1974.
Sorry to hear that their actions subjected you to that psychological trauma. Folks get complacent and impatient. Everybody is in a hurry. Many folks aren't familiar with the different headlight configurations (or horns) and speeds between the typical freight and passenger locos/trains. I could see along the old water level route here in Ohio where they're running 100 trains a day where folks unfamiliar with Amtrak's four daily trains, permitted to run 20 mph faster could be a surprise to them if they chose to challenge a crossing with a late train. I was involved with volunteer, and then part time paid EMS, rescue, and fire for over 30 years. We were called to several incidents through the years.People no paying attention while walking on the tracks with ear buds in always lost. One gets tired of seeing injuries, death, and devastation. The separation of clumps of steel from locomotives and railcars, the whine of the power unit, cutters, jaws, etc., prying of metal off of what is left of a human being, the big bags with zippers, and trips to the morgue -- then restocking the truck, grabbing a shower, and going to our real jobs. Our pre- cisd debriefings often included discussions while imbibing in spirits, both liquid and psychologically.
Your relative probably did not kill them. Their actions or lack of actions probably got them killed. I hit around 20 cars, trucks, and 18 wheelers, but only two fatalities. A few of them had some serious injuries.
Your relative did not kill them intentionally they're stupidity and trying to challenge a train kill them you cannot stop a train on a dime a train moving at 60 MPH takes about a mile to stop when it goes into emergency stop
Idiot driver, putting lives at risk. They need to have their driver's license revoked permanently, then establish severe laws for driving without a license.
The PERFECT Jason Asselin video is the one where Jason confronts a panhandler who drives off angrily and gets gobsmacked by an E&LS locomotive. I should have been a screenwriter!
Have to Agree, Sounding the Horn helps to intimidate vehicles into stopping. These No Horn Towns, not a good idea. If there was heavy rail traffic, I'd understand the No Horn Zones, but Crossing Gates at all intersections would be nearly a must. But if the Rail Traffic is infrequent, I would think that No Horn Zones wouldn't be needed.
To establish a no horn zone all the crossings must, at least have flashing lights in the no horn zone. But if traffic appears to not be yielding the engineer can blow the horn. Before I retired we only had one no horn zone to deal with and it was not 24 hours. I believe it was in effect from 9PM to 6AM. It was not on our railroad, UP, it was on the NS in Metairie, LA. We used the NS to deliver interchange trains to the CSX in New Orleans East.
Train vs Car= Train wins no matter what. Also noticed you have a small ding in your windshield above the steering wheel not sure if it matters to you or not
3:15 "There's not much excuse that you might have for hitting a train." Then at 12:45 we see that the car hit the left side of the train near the back.
1:10 you might not have been speeding but it sure looked like you roll that stop sign. Please be careful trains are not the only things that are dangerous on the road.
My RR engineer dad had a saying about people colliding with trains. These idiots always seem to think the train hopped off the tracks and came after them and hit them! People in the van were lucky they were not injured seriously. Good that there was an eye witness that saw what happened.
Hello Jason, the occupant's that where in the van are very lucky. Please people Do Not do this, How do you think the engineer feels like after some one makes a horrible silly move. LOOK LISTEN AND LIVE. TAKE CARE JASON.
As Brooke Benton sang in 1959. "It's Just a Matter of Time" and we're not talking about the ELS rebuilding the tracks by your house. Besides not heeding The Crossing signal one can also wonder if the usual cell phone or other distractions could have been a factor. Sixty years ago could that have been a siding where a baggage car was left to load mail and then get picked up on the southbound trip? A fortunate situation in which there were no injuries. At your last Crossing the train was not exactly dawdling along. Like they say in baseball after being hit by a pitch Walk It Off
There was probably a house track where the old ties were near the depot. A house track is where the RR could spot a car, like a box car, to be unloaded.
Been waiting for one of you guys to see something like this. I can almost guarantee that the city is going to get sued for the no horn and probably ELS too. One wonders if the no horn ordinance had a role to play.
I lived in a house with Train Tracks on either side of the house. Learned to ignore it after living there for awhile. There were no crossings (i.e. no Horn), but the trains were close. My father was with me, I was driving, he heard the train. There was an Upper Track, Lower Track, and a siding they never used. My father thought that the train we heard was on the tracks indicated by the RR Track Sign (for the Siding). When I didn't stop (I knew where the train was) he let out a scream. I thought he was going nuts until I realized he thought the train would be crossing the road.
There are definite rules from the FRA for no whistle zones and these crossings in Iron Mountain do not qualify. No quad gates and center roadway barriers before the crossings.
There are even some crossings in Florida on the Brightline system that don't meet the guidelines for 'Quiet Zones" but they still get away with it. I guess it's all about the money !?
You’re about a mile from my house when you are at the crossing on Hwy N. I hear the train all the time when it runs through there. Have you ever shown the train going over the Menominee river. I’ve been looking through a lot of your older videos and haven’t come across one yet. Thanks for your videos.
The Railroad needs to get in touch with the insurance agency for the van's owner... They can get nice fresh parts at the insurance company's expense...
Hey, I have noticed that on grade crossing warning devices in Michigan, there is always posted a "Stop on Red Signal" sign Is this because it's required by state law? The reason why I ask is because, out here in Oregon, you wouldn't see them on any of our devices nor have I ever noticed them in any other state.
If you don’t obey the crossing signals you probably wouldn’t respect the sound of a horn either. Always treat a crossing as occupied until your eyes tell you otherwise.
Are you saying the damage is on the back of the engine where you went to slow motion? If so that is the front of the engine. Look to the left of the steps near the top step you will see an “F” about a foot aft of the steps. The “F” designates the front of the locomotive. The front is always the front and the back is always the back of the locomotive regardless of which end is couple to the cars. That locomotive is running in reverse. It does not make any difference which end is leading, the power out put is the same in either direction.
@@jasonasselin Basically the cab and short hood end is the front of the locomotive, regardless of rather it is coupled to the cars or the long hood (back) of the locomotive is coupled to the cars. In the slow motion part the “F” is just to the left or the upper steps. The “F” designates the FRONT of the locomotive. I don’t know of any railroad that runs the long hood end as the FRONT. If one does it would be a short line. All of the major class 1 RRs run the cab end as the FRONT.
@@KG-xt4oq Nearly all railroads will run long hood forward occasionally. On locals and traveling switch engines that has only one locomotive one leg of their round trip will have the long hood forward. But they no longer designate the long hood end as the front of the locomotive. There may be a few of their older locomotives that still has the long hood designated as the front.
My wife got hit by a train in Ashland in the 70s. From what I understand it was an unguarded grade crossing in the middle of the winter. So much snow piled up you couldn't see.
Hey, that was a great video Jason, he was moving along pretty well at the last crossing, nice horn on 501, I take it he will be doing a return trip, as he was running long hood forward? Thanks again for sharing Jason.
-We don't have trains in my neck of the woods anymore and the reason is mostly heavy manufacturing moved out, but a certain governor wanted to reclaim most of the Michigan lake shore from heavy industry which includes railroads at least from Ludington to Cheboygan and he and the state were quite successful, true Penn Central, was the worst rail merger that ever occurred. Penn/Dixie had an EPA problem, the state chose NOT to put tracks under the bridge, I bet you didn't know that the Mackinaw Bridge was built to handle rail traffic too. That one decision pretty much doomed railroading in the upper half of the L.P. and rails to trails removed any chance we would ever have commuter service by rail. Incase you did not know Grand traverse area was and probably still is considered the tourist destination of Michigan , you go there sample everything it has to offer then fan out and checkout the rest of the state including Copper Harbor, boy that legacy has really taken hold won't be long till Iron is gone, dam that sucks.
Yup. Muskegon was going to get North Star Steel in the 1970's thanks to SAVE OUR SHORELINE!. Now Muskegon has little heavy industry just marina's & Condos!
Those kinds of accidents happen in the LP as well. My FIL worked for C&O Railroad for 30+ years and used to bring home the accident reports for us to read to show just how dangerous it is to try to beat a train. The sad thing is when someone does that and it kills the driver and/or passengers, the engineer has to live with that even though there was nothing they could do to avoid it.
train vs van, van loses. detracted driving? in a hurry? you always stop at tracks, look both ways then proceed. you never rely upon signals you never know when they might fail. nice video, thanks for sharing a good safety review.
You are spot on for looking if signal is activated. Around a half mile from my parents house there used too be a crossing. It went too a Whirlpool plant. When the plant closed and everything moved too Mexico, the line was discontinued and is now a rail trail and being slowly paved,if not all of it already. Two other crossings just over a mile each also nearby. One of them would short every time it rained and lights would activate. No arms as only two trains daily at the most, even more rare was three. One did have stop signs and lights, that was at the bottom of a pair of hills. So people had too stop and look everytime.
I do not understand why any town would have a no horn law during daytime hrs when vehicular traffic is at its highest, people might still try to beat train, but an extra warning could prevent some from happening. I can understand at night between 8pm & 6am so people can sleep
Why do people who complain about train horns live next to train tracks? Someone should explain the correlation between train tracks, trains and train horns.
Sent 30 years working on a railroad in New York and seen my share of stupid! People risk their lives just because they don't want to wait. Seen a woman dart Infront of us in a station wagon full of young kids. To this day I don't know how we missed hitting them. It's the thing nightmares are made of!
Jason, you can see at 1:40 to 1:44 that the small indicator side lights on the signals are functioning. Her story does not hold water (as you have concluded as well). She's lying through her teeth.
A railroad locomotive ( engine ) is clearly defined by the letter “F” at the top of the steps LOCATED AT THE FRONT OF THE ENGINE . You did good filming this train movement but please be clear in understanding to your viewers that E&LS Engine 501 is being operated in reverse and the rear ( where the impact took place ) was leading the forward movement…..ms~~~ 40 year retired railroad Locomotive Engineer……good day…..
Yes I did see the F on the trailling end by the step @ 12'56", thanks for clarifying that, so the locomotive 🚂 is in reverse "501" at least during that shift. ( Aug 8, 22 ) I think I saw, maybe ( Sep 8, 2022 ).
@@vernonmatthews181 vernon, correct, the “front “ , once Jason learns how to differentiate the operation of railroad engines in their respective direction ….viewers will understand when an engine is being operated backwards/reverse in moving in the forward direction…..forward direction is the direction of travel regardless of which way the engine is headed……just trying to add clarity…..ms~~~
@@mshum538 My understanding is since the Southern or NS stopped designating the long hood as the front of the locomotive it should always be the short hood end that is the front. I don’t know of any railroad that still designates the long hood end as the front, but some short line may still do it. I’m not sure if the Southern made the change before or after the merger. I do know I always hated having to run the long hood forward when I caught the Southern run through to Houston.
They normally don't switch around the direction, however the crash happened with the long hood forward. I never think about if its in reverse or forward, does it really make a difference though? Other than being able to see crossings before the head of the train passes? No difference in power, id there?
Jason, four or five years ago I saw a video filmed by a guy in a seanic train filmed a van go around the gates and drive into the passenger car they were in. If I can find it I'll post it for you.
Jason, is there currently any mining going on in the Iron Mountain area? The reason I ask is that my grandfather was born in Norway while my great grandfather was working in the Iron Mountain Mine, while my late wife's great grandfather's first teaching job was also in Norway, while I haven't been in Iron Mountain in years, my roots there run deep.
Not sure how it works in Iron Mountain, but where I live, the Town would have to take out an insurance policy if they enacted a No Horn zone. The last I heard, it would cost them $25000 CAD per year, per crossing.
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I often think that trains are one of natures ways of weeding out stupid people. Not smart to try and beat a train.
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I have no pity for dumb people that play with trains.
How true, the train will always win!
@@bobgallo3775 Did you ever hear about the school bus full of kids that tried to beat a freight train in Congers New York? The children were yelling at the driver to stop. The train hit the bus . It was a truly horrible day in Congers.
@@johnalder6028 Hey John, no I don't recall that one. I truly feel for the crew on the train, as they saw it coming and were helpless to prevent it. Sometimes I am glad that I never became an engineer.
I would like to add to the Operation Lifesaver slogan "See tracks, think train." " See train, think dead". Excellent video!
My Uncle worked with officers from city, county, state and Railroad law enforcement in the CARE program (Crossing Accident Reduction Enforcement). People misjudge and underestimate the power and speed of a train.
I could tell it's Michigan State Police by the unique color, light and hood mounted STOP sign.
Nearly 30 years I spent on the Southern Pacific. Hit two cars which resulted in two fatalities. One was a 16 year old boy learning how to drive with his dad. The dad made it out physically unscathed. The CHP said the boy died in his dad's arms. (:-( That was in Keyes, CA about 1974.
I think two UP employees were killed in that Keyes area this week.
I'm wondering how the dad fared after that. The depression had too have been brutal after that.
Sorry to hear that their actions subjected you to that psychological trauma. Folks get complacent and impatient. Everybody is in a hurry. Many folks aren't familiar with the different headlight configurations (or horns) and speeds between the typical freight and passenger locos/trains. I could see along the old water level route here in Ohio where they're running 100 trains a day where folks unfamiliar with Amtrak's four daily trains, permitted to run 20 mph faster could be a surprise to them if they chose to challenge a crossing with a late train.
I was involved with volunteer, and then part time paid EMS, rescue, and fire for over 30 years. We were called to several incidents through the years.People no paying attention while walking on the tracks with ear buds in always lost. One gets tired of seeing injuries, death, and devastation. The separation of clumps of steel from locomotives and railcars, the whine of the power unit, cutters, jaws, etc., prying of metal off of what is left of a human being, the big bags with zippers, and trips to the morgue -- then restocking the truck, grabbing a shower, and going to our real jobs. Our pre- cisd debriefings often included discussions while imbibing in spirits, both liquid and psychologically.
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@ STREETRODDER I had two fatalities about 20 years apart. But had about 20 crossing accidents as a road Engineer on the UP..
I did an Operation Lifesaver ride along on the KCS. I don't know how those train operators don't have daily coronaries.
This type of driver would ignore horns.
State Police and local PD were nice that's awesome my dad is a Trooper down in SW Michigan so cool to see you interact with them
Stupid driver. "Here's your sign!"
Had a relative that was an engineer on the RR. He said you can't drive trains without killing somebody. He was proud he only killed three.
Your relative probably did not kill them. Their actions or lack of actions probably got them killed. I hit around 20 cars, trucks, and 18 wheelers, but only two fatalities. A few of them had some serious injuries.
@@billmorris2613 You probably did not hit them. Their actions or lack of actions probably got them hit.
Your relative did not kill them intentionally they're stupidity and trying to challenge a train kill them you cannot stop a train on a dime a train moving at 60 MPH takes about a mile to stop when it goes into emergency stop
Idiot driver, putting lives at risk. They need to have their driver's license revoked permanently, then establish severe laws for driving without a license.
Awesome coverage! Good job
Thanks. I'm sure people are wondering how police know me by name huh? LOL
The PERFECT Jason Asselin video is the one where Jason confronts a panhandler who drives off angrily and gets gobsmacked by an E&LS locomotive. I should have been a screenwriter!
Good video Jason 👏 a little different. luckily no one was injured but I bet they think twice before they try to beat a train again 🙄
I imagine his insurance company isnt going to be too pleased with the driver.
You could call it stupidity on the drivers part.
They can bring the car to Alter-Metal for scrap. The driver was into the Dreamland. Greetings from Berlin/ Germany. Sven
How appropriate; hitting an iron mountain in Iron Mountain...
LMFAO
Have to Agree, Sounding the Horn helps to intimidate vehicles into stopping. These No Horn Towns, not a good idea. If there was heavy rail traffic, I'd understand the No Horn Zones, but Crossing Gates at all intersections would be nearly a must. But if the Rail Traffic is infrequent, I would think that No Horn Zones wouldn't be needed.
To establish a no horn zone all the crossings must, at least have flashing lights in the no horn zone. But if traffic appears to not be yielding the engineer can blow the horn. Before I retired we only had one no horn zone to deal with and it was not 24 hours. I believe it was in effect from 9PM to 6AM. It was not on our railroad, UP, it was on the NS in Metairie, LA. We used the NS to deliver interchange trains to the CSX in New Orleans East.
Train vs Car= Train wins no matter what. Also noticed you have a small ding in your windshield above the steering wheel not sure if it matters to you or not
3:15 "There's not much excuse that you might have for hitting a train." Then at 12:45 we see that the car hit the left side of the train near the back.
Born in IM and lived some years in Kingsford back in the 70's. Living in Duluth MN now was fun to see some old haunts!
The difference between brilliance and stupidity is that brilliance has its limits.
1:10 you might not have been speeding but it sure looked like you roll that stop sign. Please be careful trains are not the only things that are dangerous on the road.
play stupid games win stupid prizes
Thx for the coverage Jason ...
Wow!, cant believe ive been watching Jason's videos for 2 years now!
It's because of that reason any town with a no horn zone should change the ordinance to a whistle blow zone it may save lives too
It's really amazing that the Michigan State police still use 1960s beacons.
Dumb is as dumb does.
My RR engineer dad had a saying about people colliding with trains. These idiots always seem to think the train hopped off the tracks and came after them and hit them! People in the van were lucky they were not injured seriously. Good that there was an eye witness that saw what happened.
Tehnically, you are supposed to STOP for flashing red lights, period. Wether the lights are at an intersection or a railroad crossing.
Stop...Look...Listen...everytime w/o fail...
drivers never learn
when signals flash it means stop time for horn use in Iron mountain Jason fantastic video Jason
This person learned the hard way
Jason ran two stop signs on the way to film this, just play it back and watch.
I say he didn't learn squat.
Normally when you have a horn free zone, you also have idiot proof crossing gates.
Hello Jason, the occupant's that where in the van are very lucky.
Please people Do Not do this, How do you think the engineer feels like after some one makes a horrible silly move.
LOOK LISTEN AND LIVE.
TAKE CARE JASON.
I like that, Look Listen and Live.
Great vid! How often does a train go by?
Sometimes twice a day, sometimes twice a week.. lol
As Brooke Benton sang in 1959. "It's Just a Matter of Time" and we're not talking about the ELS rebuilding the tracks by your house. Besides not heeding The Crossing signal one can also wonder if the usual cell phone or other distractions could have been a factor. Sixty years ago could that have been a siding where a baggage car was left to load mail and then get picked up on the southbound trip? A fortunate situation in which there were no injuries. At your last Crossing the train was not exactly dawdling along. Like they say in baseball after being hit by a pitch Walk It Off
How do you get hit by the ELS???
That part of the locomotive is called the "pilot". Not a plow or cow catcher...
There was probably a house track where the old ties were near the depot. A house track is where the RR could spot a car, like a box car, to be unloaded.
I kind of wonder if that person has to clean his shorts out
Been waiting for one of you guys to see something like this. I can almost guarantee that the city is going to get sued for the no horn and probably ELS too. One wonders if the no horn ordinance had a role to play.
The "no horn ordinances" are extremely counterproductive.
@@royreynolds108 I could see it maybe if it was late at night but these trains only operate in daytime
I lived in a house with Train Tracks on either side of the house. Learned to ignore it after living there for awhile. There were no crossings (i.e. no Horn), but the trains were close. My father was with me, I was driving, he heard the train. There was an Upper Track, Lower Track, and a siding they never used. My father thought that the train we heard was on the tracks indicated by the RR Track Sign (for the Siding). When I didn't stop (I knew where the train was) he let out a scream. I thought he was going nuts until I realized he thought the train would be crossing the road.
Or, they'll claim a log hit the van first,pulling the van into the train.
There are definite rules from the FRA for no whistle zones and these crossings in Iron Mountain do not qualify. No quad gates and center roadway barriers before the crossings.
There are even some crossings in Florida on the Brightline system that don't meet the guidelines for 'Quiet Zones" but they still get away with it. I guess it's all about the money !?
Bet he won`t do that again! Lucky there were no injuries.
Assume the errant driver didn't learn a thing.
The State Trooper was the only cop wearing his lid. Very professional. Good job Troop!
Oh yeah, 14 rail cars.
I love how he directed me to see the front.. Cool dude, most are..
@@jasonasselin I was a City Officer for 30 years here in New Jersey.
Always wore my lid. He seemed like a good guy.
You see this so often. People need to wake up and drive.
You’re about a mile from my house when you are at the crossing on Hwy N. I hear the train all the time when it runs through there.
Have you ever shown the train going over the Menominee river. I’ve been looking through a lot of your older videos and haven’t come across one yet. Thanks for your videos.
Passenger train many years ago.. Its hard to get there before the train does.
The Railroad needs to get in touch with the insurance agency for the van's owner... They can get nice fresh parts at the insurance company's expense...
Jason: "I am not speeding... ". The road is going slow.
Hey, I have noticed that on grade crossing warning devices in Michigan, there is always posted a "Stop on Red Signal" sign Is this because it's required by state law? The reason why I ask is because, out here in Oregon, you wouldn't see them on any of our devices nor have I ever noticed them in any other state.
We have them
("Stop on Red Signal" signs)
here in Wisconsin!!
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What kind of idiot gets hit by a train going that slow?
The van HIT the train... LMAO
@@jasonasselin ok, what kinda idiot hits a train going that slow
@@blauer2551 THAT ONE! LOL
All I can think of is "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" and George Clooney arguing with his (ex)wife "Why are you telling our girls I was hit by a train?"
Nothing but a grease spot on the L&N. 😄
Cracks me up . Great movie.
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Valuable video if it ever came to a lawsuit...ELS is NOT at fault.
Jason (at 0:42): "I'm not speeding"
Me: [adjusts play speed to 2x]
If you don’t obey the crossing signals you probably wouldn’t respect the sound of a horn either. Always treat a crossing as occupied until your eyes tell you otherwise.
That is stupid but I do hope no one was hurt
They need to make this a horn zone again and install gates on those crossings. Maybe there wouldn't have been an accident if those were in place
Or the driver could have used an ounce of common sense...
@@NHVT_Productions people aren't smart enough anymore. Stupidity keeps getting worse by the millisecond sadly.
Crazy folks!
I am surprised you crossed the track when the train started or else you would have seen the damage to start with.
I was more interested to see what was left of the van, the train I caught up with..
any idea's why the first gondola car had those holes cut in it's sides?
the purpose or product ?
Wow!! Just Sad no reason for this.
Did you go through the STOP sign?
I'm not speeding...... proceeds to run two stop signs.
Good eye.
Are you saying the damage is on the back of the engine where you went to slow motion? If so that is the front of the engine. Look to the left of the steps near the top step you will see an “F” about a foot aft of the steps. The “F” designates the front of the locomotive. The front is always the front and the back is always the back of the locomotive regardless of which end is couple to the cars. That locomotive is running in reverse. It does not make any difference which end is leading, the power out put is the same in either direction.
No idea now. LOL
Long hood was forward, the van hit the back of the loco nearest the cab.
@@jasonasselin Basically the cab and short hood end is the front of the locomotive, regardless of rather it is coupled to the cars or the long hood (back) of the locomotive is coupled to the cars. In the slow motion part the “F” is just to the left or the upper steps. The “F” designates the FRONT of the locomotive.
I don’t know of any railroad that runs the long hood end as the FRONT. If one does it would be a short line. All of the major class 1 RRs run the cab end as the FRONT.
@@KG-xt4oq Nearly all railroads will run long hood forward occasionally. On locals and traveling switch engines that has only one locomotive one leg of their round trip will have the long hood forward. But they no longer designate the long hood end as the front of the locomotive. There may be a few of their older locomotives that still has the long hood designated as the front.
Great video! Another ignoramus just learned "the train always wins!" And i bet he will respect those crossing signals now!
Thanks Jason.
My wife got hit by a train in Ashland in the 70s. From what I understand it was an unguarded grade crossing in the middle of the winter. So much snow piled up you couldn't see.
Hey, that was a great video Jason, he was moving along pretty well at the last crossing, nice horn on 501, I take it he will be doing a return trip, as he was running long hood forward? Thanks again for sharing Jason.
-We don't have trains in my neck of the woods anymore and the reason is mostly heavy manufacturing moved out, but a certain governor wanted to reclaim most of the Michigan lake shore from heavy industry which includes railroads at least from Ludington to Cheboygan and he and the state were quite successful, true Penn Central, was the worst rail merger that ever occurred. Penn/Dixie had an EPA problem, the state chose NOT to put tracks under the bridge, I bet you didn't know that the Mackinaw Bridge was built to handle rail traffic too. That one decision pretty much doomed railroading in the upper half of the L.P. and rails to trails removed any chance we would ever have commuter service by rail. Incase you did not know Grand traverse area was and probably still is considered the tourist destination of Michigan , you go there sample everything it has to offer then fan out and checkout the rest of the state including Copper Harbor, boy that legacy has really taken hold won't be long till Iron is gone, dam that sucks.
Yup. Muskegon was going to get North Star Steel in the 1970's thanks to SAVE OUR SHORELINE!. Now Muskegon has little heavy industry just marina's & Condos!
How close too Daggett and Stephenson are you?
Just over an hour.
Those kinds of accidents happen in the LP as well. My FIL worked for C&O Railroad for 30+ years and used to bring home the accident reports for us to read to show just how dangerous it is to try to beat a train. The sad thing is when someone does that and it kills the driver and/or passengers, the engineer has to live with that even though there was nothing they could do to avoid it.
Train wins each and every time!!!!
train vs van, van loses. detracted driving? in a hurry? you always stop at tracks,
look both ways then proceed. you never rely upon signals you never know when
they might fail. nice video, thanks for sharing a good safety review.
You are spot on for looking if signal is activated. Around a half mile from my parents house there used too be a crossing. It went too a Whirlpool plant. When the plant closed and everything moved too Mexico, the line was discontinued and is now a rail trail and being slowly paved,if not all of it already. Two other crossings just over a mile each also nearby. One of them would short every time it rained and lights would activate. No arms as only two trains daily at the most, even more rare was three. One did have stop signs and lights, that was at the bottom of a pair of hills. So people had too stop and look everytime.
That's old Milwaukee Road trackage, right?
Darn, who put that big chunk of iron in my path?
I do not understand why any town would have a no horn law during daytime hrs when vehicular traffic is at its highest, people might still try to beat train, but an extra warning could prevent some from happening. I can understand at night between 8pm & 6am so people can sleep
Why do people who complain about train horns live next to train tracks?
Someone should explain the correlation between train tracks, trains and train horns.
@@MrYfrank14 The same people who move next to a major airport and complain about how low & loud the jets are every 30 seconds.
@@ffemtx4 or move by a farm and complain about the smells.
Sent 30 years working on a railroad in New York and seen my share of stupid! People risk their lives just because they don't want to wait. Seen a woman dart Infront of us in a station wagon full of young kids. To this day I don't know how we missed hitting them. It's the thing nightmares are made of!
Jason, you can see at 1:40 to 1:44 that the small indicator side lights on the signals are functioning. Her story does not hold water (as you have concluded as well). She's lying through her teeth.
Is that the panhandlers van?
I think it will buff out.
Turtle wax 💯
A railroad locomotive ( engine ) is clearly defined by the letter “F” at the top of the steps LOCATED AT THE FRONT OF THE ENGINE . You did good filming this train movement but please be clear in understanding to your viewers that E&LS Engine 501 is being operated in reverse and the rear ( where the impact took place ) was leading the forward movement…..ms~~~ 40 year retired railroad Locomotive Engineer……good day…..
Yes I did see the F on the trailling end by the step @ 12'56", thanks for clarifying that, so the locomotive 🚂 is in reverse "501" at least during that shift. ( Aug 8, 22 ) I think I saw, maybe ( Sep 8, 2022 ).
@@vernonmatthews181 vernon, correct, the “front “ , once Jason learns how to differentiate the operation of railroad engines in their respective direction ….viewers will understand when an engine is being operated backwards/reverse in moving in the forward direction…..forward direction is the direction of travel regardless of which way the engine is headed……just trying to add clarity…..ms~~~
@@mshum538 My understanding is since the Southern or NS stopped designating the long hood as the front of the locomotive it should always be the short hood end that is the front. I don’t know of any railroad that still designates the long hood end as the front, but some short line may still do it. I’m not sure if the Southern made the change before or after the merger.
I do know I always hated having to run the long hood forward when I caught the Southern run through to Houston.
@@billmorris2613 Bill, the n&w with dual controls had to be the worst…..
They normally don't switch around the direction, however the crash happened with the long hood forward. I never think about if its in reverse or forward, does it really make a difference though? Other than being able to see crossings before the head of the train passes? No difference in power, id there?
If I'm not mistaken that's an old DC locomotive
Nice shot of MSP! I hope those involved were OK. If you can reply much appreciated.
Michigan State police cars are the prettiest.
Always know it’s Michigan with those “single light” blue vehicles and that “police” sign on the hood…
Why aren't they gates? Too many crossings?
Because trains are huge and blind people aren't allowed to drive.
Not sure why that one doesn’t have gates. I live in the lower peninsula and the more rural ones only have signals and stop signs
Great video Jason
Jason, four or five years ago I saw a video filmed by a guy in a seanic train filmed a van go around the gates and drive into the passenger car they were in. If I can find it I'll post it for you.
Dude's lucky, could've been much worse
Jason, is there currently any mining going on in the Iron Mountain area? The reason I ask is that my grandfather was born in Norway while my great grandfather was working in the Iron Mountain Mine, while my late wife's great grandfather's first teaching job was also in Norway, while I haven't been in Iron Mountain in years, my roots there run deep.
The last iron mine in Iron Mountain closed in 1934.
Lots of ore in the ground in the UP and Northern Wixconsin still. Iron and Copper. Just yoo expensive to mine.
The ore moving now is being taken from old piles. Most all mines are closed except in Marquette Co. There you have the Tilden Mine and the Eagle Mine.
A nice train with an orange freddy on the back!
Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 9 Sep 22.
Do trains have insurance like cars ? If the train is damaged in an accident does the motorist have to pay for the train repairs ?
I wonder that
As with anything else, I'm sure the train charges for repairs. And loss of revenue if they cant deliver cargo on time because of the crash.
Yes railroads have insurance and pay huge premiums.
People dont care about trains anywhere.
Was thinking this moment I've seen on My train rides Several times
Not sure how it works in Iron Mountain, but where I live, the Town would have to take out an insurance policy if they enacted a No Horn zone. The last I heard, it would cost them $25000 CAD per year, per crossing.
That isn't high-speed rail. How the hell did he manage to get hit? Was he trying?
Is that rail line have any gated crossings at all or just cantilevers and flashers?
yes, north of Iron Mountain, west of Channing, in Crivitz on the exempt track on US Hwy 141, and in Stiles Junction
@@rosstrainssportscarracinga8024 oh okay but there's not really a whole lot though for the most part I noticed interesting I only see what Jason posts
Not many. There is ONE in Iron Mountain too.
When it's a tie, you lose! People who beat trains may get away with it a 100 times, bur eventually...........
I would be worried that a fireman would tell the sheriff to chase you away........
We rails don't feel bad when they hit us if they make idiot "football moves".