All the American truck makers have their own engines. You might not immediately associate Detroit diesel with freightliner but it is their engine. Same with paccar and the Kenworth/peterbilt trucks.
Paccar is the latest one to the party. The rest of them already had in house capabilities for ages. Traton group with MAN and Scania, Daimler truck with Detroit and Mercedes, Volvo with several ranges from truck, construction, marine and power packs, much like Cat. Although there has been some hassle integrating DPFs and DEF in Europe, I have never heard of the same problems as it has caused in the US, and of course this can have multiple reasons. If one of them should be, and I'm not saying it is, but if a Mercedes engine runs trouble-free, and a Detroit keeps fumbling it... What would keep Daimler from rebadging a Mercedes to a Detroit? Or, you know... easing "known technology" in the back door? ...this example mainly because Detroit gave up on heavy trucks, and basically left everything to Cummins.
Detroit deisel is not detroit anymore it is mercedes the dd 13 15 and 16 are mecedes engines with a detroit stamp on it they are NOT detroits unless you have a 60 series or older i know becaus i own 1 and im having a ton of problems
So far, all of the Class-8 truck OEM in America have their own engine, except Hino North America (because of emission scandal) Volvo/Mack - Volvo D11/D13/D13TC Freightliner/WesternStar - Detroit Diesel Kenworth/Peterbilt - Paccar MX11/13 International - A26/S13
And the interesting part is: Volvo developed in Sweden Detroit Diesel is a Mercedes engine developed in Germany Paccar is a Daf developed in The Netherlands Navistar A26 is a licensed MAN developed in Germany Only Cummins develops in the USA.
Volvo is developed in Sweden because it is based there. Detroit is a Mercedes because they are owned by the same company and it was cheaper than designing a new engine. Too bad they couldn't keep the 60 Series going... As far as Paccar and Navistar that's up to them. As far as I know Cummins is still an available option in all US trucks.
The primary reason is emissions. Mack quit making their own engines for that reason, Navistar tried but was nearly bankrupted by the unreliability of emissions systems they developed and CAT got out of the truck engine business altogether. Developing systems to meet emissions requirements is tremendously expensive so someone like Cummins or Detroit Diesel can spread those costs over many different truck manufacturers rather than over one manufacturer.
Mack certainly brands engines are their own, but I don't know if they make them... and if they make them whether they are based on a design from Volvo or even another company. I have seen reports that Mack builds engines for both Mack and Volvo in North America (at Volvo’s North American facility in Hagerstown, Maryland); that would be a Volvo design but apparently there are some variations in the ones used by Mack themselves. There are still real Mack drive axles, although Mack trucks are offered with a choice of those axles or one of the usual brands (Dana? Meritor?). The Mack axles are easy to spot, with their top-load design (like old Rockwell military axles). The Mack website suggests that Mack also has their own automated transmission, as an alternative to an Allison. Mack says on their website "Engines, transmissions and rear axles for the North American market are manufactured at its powertrain facility in Hagerstown, MD." Mack does appear to still offer their own drive axle suspension (particularly Camelback) as an alternative to Hendrickson suspensions.
@@brianb-p6586 Yeah I guess you could call the Volvo a Mack engine, although it's hardly a Mack in my opinion. You could always order components from other vendors in a Mack. Around here there were quit a few B models with Cummins power, and some R-700 with Detroit. I even had a DM-800 here that was built originally with an 864 Mack V-8 and it blew up so many times that Mack took it back to the factory and installed a 1693 Caterpillar in it under warranty. Last I saw it it was at Latona Trucking and they had restored it .
I agree,@@joecummings1260: the current Mack-built engines appear to be Volvos built by Volvo's Mack division, rather than a "real" Mack engine. I think it's pretty normal for heavy truck manufacturers to offer customers a choice of in-house components and outsourced components. This is especially noticeable at Mack, because they have both in-house choices for everything, and the willingness to allow outsourced choices to suit customer preferences. At higher production volumes and more standardized products, the outsourced choices go away, but Mack is essentially Volvo's North American speciality products brand. As far as the video's topic of engine sources is concerned, Mack illustrates the typical "our engine or Cummins" choice.... with a Volvo engine design as their own.
Especially the title of the video is wrong, the US is vertically integrating fast, and Cummins is the only remaining independent truck engine manufacturer, so if a customer really wants it, they can still get a Cummins. All other truck engines are developed in Europe because America thought SCR would never work so they put their money on EGR, nearly bankrupting Navistar and putting the American truck engine industry at a disadvantage, except Cummins which had field experience with SCR on the European market.
@@TruckTropiaread other comments here... You could have done way better but this sounds straight Chat GPT goodish answer with a couple of image put on top. Just by reading the comments here i found more usefull information than your video... Feel free to ask for my facts too!
Caterpillar hasn't supplied engines for on-highway trucks for about 15 years. They chose not to meet new emissions standards. PACCAR supplying engines to Kenworth and Peterbilt is not out-sourcing - Kenworth and Peterbilt are divisions of PACCAR. Detroit Diesel supplying engines to Freightliner and Western Star is not out-sourcing - Freightliner, Western Star, and Detroit are all divisions of Daimler Trucks North America. The arrows connecting engine suppliers and truck builders in the opening graphic are random nonsense, not actual supplier relationships. Cummins is the only outside supplier of engines used by major North American truck manufacturers.
@@williamdavidson9009 PACCAR engines designated "PX" are built by Cummins (not just based on a Cummins design), so that is a case of using Cummins as an outside supplier. For example, the PX-7 and PX-8 are 6.7 L engines, apparently the ISB6.7. PACCAR engines designated "MX" (MX-11 and MX-13) are built by PACCAR and shared between Peterbilt, Kenworth, and DAF (all PACCAR brands); they are apparently are based on a DAF design. That's an example of a truck manufacturer using its own engines. You will sometimes find engines in another manufacturer's vehicles, depending on what business deals have been made. Even GM and Honda have used each other's engines... which doesn't change the fact that light-duty vehicle manufacturers generally use their own engines, just as major heavy-duty vehicle manufacturers generally use their own engines or engines from Cummins. Detroit Diesel was, for a while, an independent engine company. It is now a Daimler division building engines of Mercedes designs... but sure, some of those Mercedes engines with "DD" branding could end up in strange places. Just out of curiosity, what non-Daimler trucks are available with DD engines? The oddest example of these little exceptions that I've noticed is that Oshkosh (which doesn't have its own engines) puts some Scania V8 engines in large airport fire trucks... in North America! Oshkosh is big in military vehicles and fire apparatus, but is not a major truck manufacturer.
all the computerization and control needed to get emissions down didn't help and the miniscule improvement in emissions wouldn't be noticed except in the most extreme locals. I've heard truck drivers say the efficiency gain isn't noticeable. marxsit greenies are just looking for excused to ban more fossile fuels.
Money is the reason. If something is cheaper to do, it's done. That's the way of the western world now. Nothing is done "as good as it can be", it's done "as cheap as can be tolerated by the end user".
Hey Truck Topia, can you make a video on truck manufacturers that stopped producing more powerful engines? It came to my mind after realizing the dump truck we're operating has the most powerful Isuzu engine(10td1 600hp 30,000CC N/A) and has been since late 90's and early 2000's
The idea that all European brands have their own engines is nonsense. The major truck manufacturers all have multiple brands and share engines across those brands... in North America, and in Europe.
So far, only Volvo owns Renault which therefor uses a Volvo engine. Maybe next year MAN will start using the new 13 liter engine they developed with Scania too, and eventually Navistar will use it too because Volkswagen group bought them all.
International MaxxForce engine was the worst of them all. That thing couldnt even accelerate up a hill while bobtailing and would lose speed pulling an empty trailer up a small gradual hill.
Lift axle trucks are good for lifting certain axles to get a tighter turning radius, when vehicle weight is low, and axles are also lifted to reduce tire wear, wheel bearing wear, suspension wear, and there are more advantages, such as 1-5% increases in fuel economy. There are drawbacks such as lower vehicle stability, and higher weight stresses on bridges and other roads.
This video is a crock of crap truck makers dont make thier own engines is because all the american brands where bought out to european brands not only that but most of the engine building was outsourced long time ago america doesnt make anything anymore and its because of greed if the american brands would have stood thier ground like catapillar did back in the 90's we wouldnt have p.o.s. crap trucks today why is it all this emission crap the u.s. mandates but other countries dont use it and thier trucks run better with out it because its a scam and us drivers know it
Total baloney! Other than Cummins, what truck manufacturer doesn’t make engines for their own trucks, in North America. I need bigger boots to wade thru this swill
All the American truck makers have their own engines. You might not immediately associate Detroit diesel with freightliner but it is their engine. Same with paccar and the Kenworth/peterbilt trucks.
Paccar is the latest one to the party. The rest of them already had in house capabilities for ages. Traton group with MAN and Scania, Daimler truck with Detroit and Mercedes, Volvo with several ranges from truck, construction, marine and power packs, much like Cat.
Although there has been some hassle integrating DPFs and DEF in Europe, I have never heard of the same problems as it has caused in the US, and of course this can have multiple reasons. If one of them should be, and I'm not saying it is, but if a Mercedes engine runs trouble-free, and a Detroit keeps fumbling it... What would keep Daimler from rebadging a Mercedes to a Detroit? Or, you know... easing "known technology" in the back door? ...this example mainly because Detroit gave up on heavy trucks, and basically left everything to Cummins.
Detroit deisel is not detroit anymore it is mercedes the dd 13 15 and 16 are mecedes engines with a detroit stamp on it they are NOT detroits unless you have a 60 series or older i know becaus i own 1 and im having a ton of problems
So far, all of the Class-8 truck OEM in America have their own engine, except Hino North America (because of emission scandal)
Volvo/Mack - Volvo D11/D13/D13TC
Freightliner/WesternStar - Detroit Diesel
Kenworth/Peterbilt - Paccar MX11/13
International - A26/S13
And the interesting part is:
Volvo developed in Sweden
Detroit Diesel is a Mercedes engine developed in Germany
Paccar is a Daf developed in The Netherlands
Navistar A26 is a licensed MAN developed in Germany
Only Cummins develops in the USA.
Volvo is developed in Sweden because it is based there.
Detroit is a Mercedes because they are owned by the same company and it was cheaper than designing a new engine. Too bad they couldn't keep the 60 Series going...
As far as Paccar and Navistar that's up to them.
As far as I know Cummins is still an available option in all US trucks.
The primary reason is emissions. Mack quit making their own engines for that reason, Navistar tried but was nearly bankrupted by the unreliability of emissions systems they developed and CAT got out of the truck engine business altogether. Developing systems to meet emissions requirements is tremendously expensive so someone like Cummins or Detroit Diesel can spread those costs over many different truck manufacturers rather than over one manufacturer.
Mack Trucks was taken over by Volvo Trucks, after which engine production for both in North America was moved to a single factory.
For a lot of years Mack made their own engines, transmissions, rears, suspension, Some of the toughest most reliable stuff ever made
Mack certainly brands engines are their own, but I don't know if they make them... and if they make them whether they are based on a design from Volvo or even another company. I have seen reports that Mack builds engines for both Mack and Volvo in North America (at Volvo’s North American facility in Hagerstown, Maryland); that would be a Volvo design but apparently there are some variations in the ones used by Mack themselves.
There are still real Mack drive axles, although Mack trucks are offered with a choice of those axles or one of the usual brands (Dana? Meritor?). The Mack axles are easy to spot, with their top-load design (like old Rockwell military axles).
The Mack website suggests that Mack also has their own automated transmission, as an alternative to an Allison. Mack says on their website
"Engines, transmissions and rear axles for the North American market are manufactured at its powertrain facility in Hagerstown, MD."
Mack does appear to still offer their own drive axle suspension (particularly Camelback) as an alternative to Hendrickson suspensions.
@@brianb-p6586 Yeah I guess you could call the Volvo a Mack engine, although it's hardly a Mack in my opinion.
You could always order components from other vendors in a Mack. Around here there were quit a few B models with Cummins power, and some R-700 with Detroit. I even had a DM-800 here that was built originally with an 864 Mack V-8 and it blew up so many times that Mack took it back to the factory and installed a 1693 Caterpillar in it under warranty. Last I saw it it was at Latona Trucking and they had restored it
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I agree,@@joecummings1260: the current Mack-built engines appear to be Volvos built by Volvo's Mack division, rather than a "real" Mack engine.
I think it's pretty normal for heavy truck manufacturers to offer customers a choice of in-house components and outsourced components. This is especially noticeable at Mack, because they have both in-house choices for everything, and the willingness to allow outsourced choices to suit customer preferences. At higher production volumes and more standardized products, the outsourced choices go away, but Mack is essentially Volvo's North American speciality products brand.
As far as the video's topic of engine sources is concerned, Mack illustrates the typical "our engine or Cummins" choice.... with a Volvo engine design as their own.
Check your fakts before presenting you are wrong on several points
No im not 👍 check your own facts
Especially the title of the video is wrong, the US is vertically integrating fast, and Cummins is the only remaining independent truck engine manufacturer, so if a customer really wants it, they can still get a Cummins. All other truck engines are developed in Europe because America thought SCR would never work so they put their money on EGR, nearly bankrupting Navistar and putting the American truck engine industry at a disadvantage, except Cummins which had field experience with SCR on the European market.
@@TruckTropiaread other comments here... You could have done way better but this sounds straight Chat GPT goodish answer with a couple of image put on top.
Just by reading the comments here i found more usefull information than your video...
Feel free to ask for my facts too!
Caterpillar hasn't supplied engines for on-highway trucks for about 15 years. They chose not to meet new emissions standards.
PACCAR supplying engines to Kenworth and Peterbilt is not out-sourcing - Kenworth and Peterbilt are divisions of PACCAR.
Detroit Diesel supplying engines to Freightliner and Western Star is not out-sourcing - Freightliner, Western Star, and Detroit are all divisions of Daimler Trucks North America.
The arrows connecting engine suppliers and truck builders in the opening graphic are random nonsense, not actual supplier relationships.
Cummins is the only outside supplier of engines used by major North American truck manufacturers.
I believe that the PACCAR engines are based on Cummins design and Detroit Diesel are available in trucks other than Freightliner or Western Star
@@williamdavidson9009 PACCAR engines designated "PX" are built by Cummins (not just based on a Cummins design), so that is a case of using Cummins as an outside supplier. For example, the PX-7 and PX-8 are 6.7 L engines, apparently the ISB6.7.
PACCAR engines designated "MX" (MX-11 and MX-13) are built by PACCAR and shared between Peterbilt, Kenworth, and DAF (all PACCAR brands); they are apparently are based on a DAF design. That's an example of a truck manufacturer using its own engines.
You will sometimes find engines in another manufacturer's vehicles, depending on what business deals have been made. Even GM and Honda have used each other's engines... which doesn't change the fact that light-duty vehicle manufacturers generally use their own engines, just as major heavy-duty vehicle manufacturers generally use their own engines or engines from Cummins.
Detroit Diesel was, for a while, an independent engine company. It is now a Daimler division building engines of Mercedes designs... but sure, some of those Mercedes engines with "DD" branding could end up in strange places. Just out of curiosity, what non-Daimler trucks are available with DD engines?
The oddest example of these little exceptions that I've noticed is that Oshkosh (which doesn't have its own engines) puts some Scania V8 engines in large airport fire trucks... in North America! Oshkosh is big in military vehicles and fire apparatus, but is not a major truck manufacturer.
Cummins are the best of them all
I drove a Freightshaker once that had an engine that said Detroit Diesel on one side and Mercedes on the other side.
And it was a piece of junk.
all the computerization and control needed to get emissions down didn't help and the miniscule improvement in emissions wouldn't be noticed except in the most extreme locals. I've heard truck drivers say the efficiency gain isn't noticeable. marxsit greenies are just looking for excused to ban more fossile fuels.
Sometimes outsource engines, DAF use paccar engines.
Isnt DAF owned by Paccar?
Interesting 🤔😊
Who manufactures the most reliable engine?
Toyota
Money is the reason. If something is cheaper to do, it's done. That's the way of the western world now. Nothing is done "as good as it can be", it's done "as cheap as can be tolerated by the end user".
In America, Volvo trucks use Volvo engines
You can still get a Cummins if you want it.
@@jasonstclair6293 Hate youuuu!!!!!!!
The truth is that most American truck manufacturers belong to European companies these days...
Hey Truck Topia, can you make a video on truck manufacturers that stopped producing more powerful engines?
It came to my mind after realizing the dump truck we're operating has the most powerful Isuzu engine(10td1 600hp 30,000CC N/A) and has been since late 90's and early 2000's
Here you go Why US Manufacturers Stopped Making V8 Semi-Truck Engines?
ruclips.net/video/EnNUiBYZ12g/видео.html
Long story short: engine manufacturers already manufacturer engines.
The idea that all European brands have their own engines is nonsense. The major truck manufacturers all have multiple brands and share engines across those brands... in North America, and in Europe.
So far, only Volvo owns Renault which therefor uses a Volvo engine. Maybe next year MAN will start using the new 13 liter engine they developed with Scania too, and eventually Navistar will use it too because Volkswagen group bought them all.
Why show Cat ,they stopped building truck engines some time ago!
Makes sense.
Freighter have their own engine Detroit . Kenilworth ,Peterbuilt have Pacca engines . Mack has Mack engines .
International MaxxForce engine was the worst of them all. That thing couldnt even accelerate up a hill while bobtailing and would lose speed pulling an empty trailer up a small gradual hill.
Can you make a video on why trucks have lift axles
Already made and Will be posted in a few weeks 👍
Lift axle trucks are good for lifting certain axles to get a tighter turning radius, when vehicle weight is low, and axles are also lifted to reduce tire wear, wheel bearing wear, suspension wear, and there are more advantages, such as 1-5% increases in fuel economy. There are drawbacks such as lower vehicle stability, and higher weight stresses on bridges and other roads.
💯 cummins all the way hate paccar engines sucks
...and Mack owns by Volvo
International use Scania not MAN powerlines!
In one word, EMISSIONS
That is worse than the caterpillar engines stopped in 2009
is the voice and dialogue AI generated?
No its not 100% Human
Reno, not Renault
The after treatment is a bunch of s***!
Simple solution to fix the emission problem just use Hydrogen or Biofuel.
Not all European brands make their own engines. Some do outsource.
Who ?
@@olafschermann1592daf
This video is a crock of crap truck makers dont make thier own engines is because all the american brands where bought out to european brands not only that but most of the engine building was outsourced long time ago america doesnt make anything anymore and its because of greed if the american brands would have stood thier ground like catapillar did back in the 90's we wouldnt have p.o.s. crap trucks today why is it all this emission crap the u.s. mandates but other countries dont use it and thier trucks run better with out it because its a scam and us drivers know it
Many European countries have just as strict emissions standards and the US... if not worse.
@@jasonstclair6293 only to make an inferior prduct
Great information ❤🚛🚚❤
Happy you liked it👍
@@TruckTropia 😊
Total baloney! Other than Cummins, what truck manufacturer doesn’t make engines for their own trucks, in North America. I need bigger boots to wade thru this swill
I hate radar and adapted cruise stupid control
You don't know what you are talking about.