A few extra points I wanna address: 1. Although most companies don't provide Linux as an option, some system builders allow you to buy a system without an OS (therefore not paying for a Windows license). 2. I didn't address SBCs like the Raspberry Pi because although they are very affordable and primarily run Linux, the user typically has to flash their own Micro SD card. Plus, SBCs are generally not intended to be used as everyday computers, even if it's technically possible to.
re. 2 why should there be everyday computers? There are few tasks that aren't better to split off onto a dedicated sbc. re. 1 the only option I only provide for companies is the option of going bankrupt. Them providing me options is irrelevant.
98% of my co-workers don't even know linux exists. I can count the number of people I've met in person that know Linux exists on one hand. Before any of this...they need to know it exists to start with.
@@__systemctl__ 1-to-1 Para-educator for disabled adults. The campus is heavily integrated with both Mac and Chrome OS. A lot of the stuff we do with the students is through a browser. Staff use cloud services and zoom. But you only get issued a laptop if you're a JTT (job coach tech) or higher.
@@lotkjasdfh3772 Why not? If they new it existed in the first place they might care to know. Most of the people that see me using a linux system or used my laptop to do a quick search were at least curious why my computer was....weird. You gotta start somewhere.
One of the problems I've faced myself is that people think Linux is bad. "Why won't you install a normal a normal OS, like windows?". No, I already use a perfectly fine system.
There is also another hardware problem for linux, especially impacting laptops. Many laptop manufacturers don't bother even thinking of linux on their machines. This results in things like fingerprint scanners, keyboards, and other built-in peripherals not working correctly or at all. So, at the end of the day, many users will choose the convenience of windows even after trying Linux.
Fingerprint readers, I will agree with, as that's the only hardware that I have ever had an issue with on Dell Latitude laptops. HP and Dell Inspiron, those are more of a craps shoot. Latitude is the Enterprise class from Dell, and meant to be easily repaired in the field, and compatible with the widest range of operating systems. They can be found for pretty reasonable prices on eBay and from some refurbishers, and parts are readily available.
My Lenovo's speakers didn't work on Linux for about a year until a kernel patch came out. If I hadn't been very dedicated to Linux, it would have been enough to move me to windows. Same goes for lots of DRM software not working by default like Netflix
I'll be honest, the tiny computer sold on Linux Mint's store website is the cutest thing ever :3 Imagine playing Doom or something on that! Just wanted to mention this!
@@trustytrojan i like more kali linux with gdm3, but man, linux mint have not left me crashed and kali has crashed at least 2 times with gdm3, so i think linux mint is a better shot for nowaday users specially ones that does not move too much things on their computers, a drawback i see in linux mint is the problem of using some dark mode in some programs, because you need to install qt utilities to run dark theme versions, and firefox does not run properly on linux mint, aside that is a very good option for the nowaday user, i just had to jump from kali to mint because the crashes on gdm3 just were insane, and the community did not care to fix those because you can use xfe and light instead gnome, but man, gnome of kali is just perfect when it works lol.
@@omarjimenezromero3463 im sorry in what world would a distrobution made for hackers and pentesters ever be considered for consumer laptops aimed at mass adoption?
@@trustytrojan I disagree. I feel like an immutable distro like Fedora Kiniote would be much better for the average user, since it's a lot safer than even Windows. Also KDE6 is way more feature rich and modern looking compared to Cinnamon
When a still functioning computer is no longer compatible with newer versions of MS, the most cost efficient solution is to buy a backup hard drive (if you haven't got one already, but you should have), and switch it to a compatible Linux distro of your choice. I have brought to life an old broken Vista laptop: replaced a broken hinge, cleaned clutter from inside (lots of it), repasted, upgraded RAM and switched the HDD for SSD, then installed Wilma Linux. These extra upgrades aren't necessary if you have a more recent but still out of support machine. Just the backup drive (or just an enclosure for an old one and buy new SSD to put inside) and decide for the distro. My oldie ran 32 bit sytem but it also can take 64bit. So good. RAM was originally just 2GB, I bought 4GB, but BIOS only recognises 3GB. Still better than original. Even youtube plays well on it now, whereas it was quite jumpy on 32bit distro I tried previously. I am no IT person, had to learn all this on the go just this year, mid 40s... female. Anyone can do it! AI was very helpful in all aspects of my journey, I mean chat GPT, because the browsers' own are quite behind.
still too much work for end user, do you know, they can just do to bestbuy / whatever tech store, get new laptop, transfer file, done? and either just threw it into trash or keep it and eventually throw it away?
@@GBR9794 How much work is to earn £500 for a new and cheap computer? I remember changing HDD on this old machine years ago to upgrade without wanting to buy the whole new thing. I was the end user back then as I am still now.
I was a regular windows user and occasional Linux user, until 2020, when my old windows machine broke, and I built a computer orders of magnitude more powerful in its place, and installed Ubuntu on it. Been using Linux ever since
I recently moved to Linux Mint in my laptop and I'm pretty happy. My only problem is with some games of Epic Store can't detect the main GPU and only detect the onboard intel GPU.
If the main gpu is nvidia then need to look if the main nvidia drivers are installed in the driver manager if they are then you should get a icon in the task manager to switch profile from intel to nvidia and I think you can do it with the nvidia software manager that should be install too if nvidia driver installed. Only my guest as I have nvidia/intel laptop unless need to use something like Heroic games Launcher.
The Dell laptop I currently have is available in a Linux variant, the Linux variant was not only more expensive (identical hardware afaik) but also out of stock almost everywhere. Hey, at least it will be easier to sell it on the second hand market with a legit Windows license. Most of the big OEMs have linux offerings, but they are usually only on the high end machines and don't make sense unless you're making a bulk order like a bigger company would.
It's not a question of hardware, it's a fragmentation and competing project problem. Freedom is great, but when it comes to operating systems too much of it is THE problem. Too many competing app store, competing GUI that impact the look and feel of applications. The hate toward proprietary source code that makes companies unable to release their products on Linux for fear of having to open the source code and thus lose control of it. Too many distros splitting the market instead of pooling all the ressources toward a single well maintained product.
@@epicman9105 Oh boy where to start... To compete with a mainstream OS like Windows or MacOS, you need a standardized UI and workflow. You also need the support of the for profit software house who make the apps that people wants. Since neither of those two things are a priority for Linux, then it'll never be anything else than a fringe OS on the desktop market. The licensing issue is also a pain in the butt which in turn prevent the big names in software to port their product to it. You may hate them, but without Adobe, Autodesk and myrad of others, Linux won't make it. Yeah, yeah, the opensourced alternative blah, blah, blah... which are pale copy at best and outright broken at worst. Good for joe blow that needs to do a simple task, but unusable in a professional workflow. If Linux aspire to become more than a server/backend OS, which it excel at, it will have to stop fragmentation and pool its talent and herd them toward a single distro with a single interface and a single software management system. It'll also have to relinquished it's licensing trojan horse tactics and accept that not everyone wants to contribute code to "the collective".
There are many well maintained products. Look and feel is lost long time ago because for some reason, RUclips has different look and feel what is in MS Office and there is no OS that solves that.
@@epicman9105 People develop FOSS with little to no market guidance. Companies and closed source knows how to target their biggest audience who expected everything just works out of the box.
As if that were the solution. What if the electronics store around the corner suddenly had computers with Linux pre-installed? Exactly! Nobody would buy them! And even if they were sold, many of them would still be returned.
What version of Linux? What desktop on the version of Linux? Command line usage on Windows is rare these days. Still a bit of a thing on Linux. People run applications. People don't run the OS for the sake of the OS. Yeah, you can A,B,C,D....Z just like Windows if you run a,b,c,d....z. But why do "Just like". Just get Windows. I try to put Linux on old Hardware where Windows can't keep up anymore. Sometime the Linux is just as slow. So, what's the point? I'll get a new PC with Windows on it. I've installed ChromeOS Flex on a few PCs with good results. Phones cover a lot of the bases these days. It's not uncommon for people to run their online lives purely on their phone. Get an S series Samsung and you can run Dex. Works pretty freaking good.` If Linux was so freaking good and it saves people tons of money, corporations would use them in the cube farms. They don't. Linux is stuck in the server racks.
@@dlewis9760 That was over decade ago, it was Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and Ubuntu 12.04 LTS as they were consumer oriented too. Customer doesn't need command line. Today, Ubuntu is for enterprises and developers, and it is very bloated. Debian 12 Gnome is good, and works for older computers. Not ancient ones.
Here's my thought on the distro of choice: Fedora. Probably Silverblue. Keep it on GNOME (even though I daily drive KDE). Maybe they could include KDE with the factory image too; you could change it on the login screen. I think it's the most likely to avoid the common pitfalls of a distro when faced with a newbie. Also it's my distro of choice ;P
Thanks for the great content & welcome to the wonderful world of using GNU/Linux as a daily driver ... I stumbled across your channel by accident & am happy that I did. I like your style & having just looked at your personal website, I also like your sense of humour (when I saw your Buy me a Cup of Tea, I just knew you had to be from the U.K.) ... anyway, keep up the good work =)
The issue is that Linux is very decentralized, and many different parties simply use and maintain it to fit their needs. Since Linux is not owned by a single towering giant that has the incentive and money to market it, it will never have the coverage of Windows and Mac. Not to mention that everything is open source and easy to see and take. Its way too easy for companies to leech off the open source community without up streaming anything. Just look at Mac.
I find it quite comedic that Apple leeched off open-source big-time on MacOS, but has a big showy "our open-source projects"website that showcases their 3 little web frameworks. It's like a middle schooler writing a python script on github and acting like they wrote an entire OS in raw assembly.
I've been using Linux for the last 20 years, and for the last 5+ it has been my main OS, but to be honest the user experience had stayed in a sort of limbo for the last ten years. So many different package managers and tools (Flatpak, Snap, APPImage, AUR, DEB, RPM, ...) that come with pros and cons, never-ending Wayland migration that is kinda productive but also may not be. I had given up giving money to NVIDIA, and use only AMD/Intel hardware for GPU cards because of driver issues. The fact that you can buy a Win11 key for cheap and install it on a relatively modern low-end desktop really is not going in Linux's favor. Trying to fix specific software problems that you might have on your distro can be a mayor headache and time-sink.
Oh you bet it has an issue(s). It doesn’t work properly on gaming laptops, if it doesn’t like the RAM you could get locked out of your Luks encrypted drive, if there are acpi driver issues it will crash and list goes on and doesn’t end. And it takes a lifetime to debug, so spare your sanity and only run it on known compatible hardware.
Price is the most significant reason imo, I would personally buy a better spec windows laptop for the same price, or similar spec for cheaper. The main benefit I see from these linux laptop's isn't having a linux distro out of the box, rather hardware specific things that a linux user would appreciate such as coreboot. Coreboot and other things alone don't justify the premium for me, especially since all laptop/desktop hardware is insecure compared to the modern AOSP.
To me, it is concerning the amount of people who do not understand what a BIOS is, or even the concept of another operating system besides what comes pre-installed. It's insane the amount of people who seem to think that windows is physically baked-in to their device.
Hey man, everyone starts learning from somewhere. 6 years ago I thought the intel sticker on my laptop was an important piece of hardware that would bork my computer if it peeled off.
I would argue that the amount of knowledge and effort it takes to use Linux maybe people should need to know how to install it before using it. If a computer comes with Linux and someone with a non tech background just wants to use RUclips and check email and such they don’t want to learn root systems and cli and such.
Note: Google isn't selling Chromebooks at all, really. Google sells advertising. Chromebooks (as well as any and everything running Android) exist to provide a platform for Google to show ads on. This is also why they created Chromium, and spent hundreds of millions of dollars making it so pervasive: Firefox is not under their control, and Firefox allows ad blockers. Chromium (and any of its derivatives) do not and will not ever allow any form of ad blocking. And that is the ONLY thing Google was trying to achieve, both with their OS, and their browser backend. It's entirely about selling advertising, by controlling what users are allowed to do with their computers.
I've been on Debian-based stuff for at least a month, and I've basically used it as an OS until something comes up and I decide to reinstall it. Linux is fine, just compatibility and data issues for me.
I've been using Windows since 1997 and have used almost every version since 3.0 (yes, in 1997, my family didn't have much money so I worked on whatever I could get). So I know it very well and support it professionally as part of my day job. I think that's a hindrance for me with Linux. Things like the case-sensitive file system and 'middle-click to paste' drive me bonkers. I also get overwhelmed when there's so many different ways of doing things across other distros. My current daily driver laptop is a HP ZBook 15 G5 which has an older Nvidia GPU which isn't supported by the new open source drivers, so I had a lot of trouble getting Wayland to work. It often felt like too much work for me so I never lasted long. I think my one red line with Windows is if they start charging a subscription for it.
To some extent, Window's marketing campaign was much better than Linux's in the early days. Not only is Windows a defacto monopoly for operative systems, but the Linux foundation or distros don't have proper promotional campaigns that let them increase the target audience beyond tech professionals and hobbyists. If you never learned about IT, you may never have had the chance to even hear the word "Linux". Most people today will go throughout their whole life never knowing in the slightest about it.
Yes, Linux does have a hardware problem! I'm a Windows guy, but I just picked up the mac mini M4. Yes, I could run Linux through VM, but rather have it run natively. Currently, there is only one project that is pushing Linux on the Mac, and that is currently only supports the M1/M2.
I've done very well with Ubuntu and Debian since 2009. Ironically Pop OS tried to instill the wrong video driver and never worked right. The 2010 imac worked again when I put on Debian.
Every computer I've bought was either a pre-built or a Raspberry Pi. First thing I've done with every pre-built is install Linux. Possibly a non sequitur, but I really hate UEFI.
It may be better to have the two Operating Systems on separate drives if your computer can accommodate it. If you don't mind me asking, why are you using Windows 7 in 2024?
It might be best to use an easier distro that has installer support for dual booting with windows. The Ubuntu installer is good for that, while installing and when you reach the disk selection screen there should be an option to install alongside another OS.
I used linux not because I liked it better than windows. I liked it because it was open source, protected by the GPL and that I did not have to install any drivers for it !! That was 24 years ago although wifi cards are still crappy but dkms takes care of that.
As a long-time Linux user, I've developed a habit of always checking for hardware compatibility before making a purchase, so I rarely encounter issues. Of course, Linux can have hardware problems. But so can Windows. Recently, we've seen issues with the latest CPUs not performing well on Windows. While it may not be as noticeable in the desktop market, Windows also faces hardware compatibility problems in the server market, which is dominated by Linux. It happens to both.
Honestly I'd give Linux a genuine try if I didn't have to worry about Anti-Cheat software. I don't genuinely need a VM for my day to day and I feel like if I need to use it to get everything I want out of my PC I might as well just make the base system windows
@YukariAkiyama ehhh I've vmed a few kinds of Linux. I don't mind using a VM once in a blue moon, it's just with how much I play online a VM is annoying Dual booting in my case is pointless beyond a "ooh so this is how it works on bare metal"
the question posed in the beginning of the video is already flawed. you want to know why Linux is not popular but then arbitrarily decide you want to focus on preinstalls and basically assume that that is the cause. it's not preinstalls. it has already been done. do you remember the news story about the girl that wanted to drop out of college after ordering a Dell laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled? it's a usability problem which is the reason why it's not preinstalled. you can't look at preinstalls in isolation. i wish people would stop bringing up the old excuse of preinstalls
Finding, installing and uninstalling apps is not well done in most Linux distros. The equivalent app stores are poorly updated, lack the volume of reviews to be meaningful and things break too often. Think like a user with little knowledge, not like a tech who enjoys tinkering and only then will traction be gained with a wider user base,
too real, even for programmers, Linux can be usable but...... there is always that BUT problem on Linux. (Also the funny Python thingy, beginner programmers broke Linux all the time because they do not know how to manage virtual environments. I am one of them too .
I wonder if Linux has a problem at all? Why should (GNU)Linux be promoted to anyone in any way - it is no product. Linux offers a choice. But this doesn´t mean it offers a one on one alternative for proprietary software - only for free. It offers the possibility to take back your system and data into your own hands. But since nothing comes for free, you have to invest something else than money or your data: it´s your time and maybe a little of your passion. Linux is super right as it is. Just like veg from your own garden. You have to do by yourself and maybe ask a community for some help. And I do like to help people around me (locally). I think this is essential for the success of Linux. Googles name was big enough to make people try out Chromebooks. That is why they would not buy a Linux laptop, even if there was a budget hardware option.
@AlgAlgorithm graphics on nvidia were completely messed up or resulted in a bootloop, I could only use the integrated graphics by deleting nvidia drivers out of the system
My personal experience, it's: 1. The amount of distros. Windows is just Windows. Get the latest version and it's all good. Linux has so many branches that the average user isn't going to know what the differences are or why there's these differences, so just won't even try. 2. The "programmer" nature of it. Windows is, despite its flaws, easy for the average Joe to setup and start using. It is presented as such (Apple devices are also like this, very user friendly). Linux on the other hand, at least at first, seems like it needs knowledge of what a terminal is, how to boot from a USB (this is a big pro for Linux preinstalled PCs), etc. just to set it up, and even more terminal usage for personalisation. 3. Obviously the software support, bit companies not bothering supporting Linux so I can't move to it without being unable to use their software, or making it vastly more difficult to use. IMO, like you said in the video, marketing is a huge part of people wanting to buy something with Linux. If it was presented in a more professional, friendly way, I think it'd reach way larger audiences. However, saying this, lots of people that use Linux I feel like appreciate how kind of underground it is, and making it more marketable could make it more corporate-feeling which lots of people probably wouldn't appreciate. Yes I think it's a hardware problem, but also a public perception problem, which can be fixed by first fixing the hardware problem (maybe).
1, Linux us Linux, you get update, you get Linux, 2, windows is not easy, is easy for you cuz you have years using the OS, 3, that is not a Linux problem, is the software developing problem, We don't need Linux to be Marketing, it is awesome the way it is, maybe is not for you.
@@Z_fentomFentom I've never reinstalled Windows since 8.1 and had problems with stability of updates, but I did brick a few of my Linux installs by doing an apt-get upgrade.
How average user knows difference between AIX, iOS, FreeBSD, macOS, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris and Windows? In my understanding there are three large ecosystems marketed to consumers, and they are Google, Apple and Microsoft. Then there are some gaming ecosystems too like Nintendo, Sony and Valve. Linux is used mostly on enterprise systems like Red Hat, Ubuntu and Suse. It is Google and Valve who are using Linux on their consumer stuff. And probably every smart TV too. I don't know about Nintendo is it using Linux. Debian is interesting exception that is sneakily taken huge server market share but simultaneously it is very agnostic how it is used. I think it is more for users that are against consumerism. It not for those who buy new junk every every week.
Yes it does. For me at least since Linus killed support for older 340.x Nvidia drivers in new kernels. Damn, even new Windows supports these drivers. I was told that Linux is great for my older 2010 notebook. There is some workaround, I know, but didn't work. I guess Linus had good reason to do this but it still piss me off :/
Linux for the average user will always be a challenge, because Linux generally does not fix itself. Repair on it is a challenge even with Grub rescue instances failing if your PC shut off during a system upgrade. The pre-built sale for the average "Linux user" will and will always be "barebone." They will bring their own software. Notifying them that the bootloader is unlocked and that the BIOS contains what it needs to not prevent booting is often all they'll need to get started.
Most people hate terminal and Linux community would rather nuke the world than stop to giving tutorials in terminals on everything You can easily do most of the things using simple buttons on windows On Linux you already expected to have nerd wisdom Especially if you installing things like arch and simple user can't know and understand this whole distribution, packing system, etc mess I, myself wasn't sure to with which distribution should I go, even though I'm programmer xDD Like my friend said "not everyone want to jerk off to terminal like arch users"
@@itsmenatika Same, as programmer, I had good experience with mint on vm so I stick with it plus windows dual boot. If i never used any Linux before, I would probably just keep de-bloating windows and use it until the end of day.
you should also talk about android. under android there is linux kernel, people dont want to deal with complexity of linux only geeks love it, it should just function without any fuss.
Android is a very very modified version of Linux kernel. It's like saying that windows 11 is technically modified 3.1 NT.. yes in fact it is but??? No Android doesn't also comes with GNU tools which usually are very too complex to be used by regular people
@itsmenatika that is the whole point, ordinary user does not care about kernel, drivers or gnu. He simply wants it to work. Also Google moved away from mainline kernel since Linux maintainers were very rigid and not ready to accommodate androids changes.
@@yoppindia I mean some people know about driver but not to extend that Linux can require lol It can just say "no" to something in your PC and you magically need to have knowledge like you had made that piece of hardware yourself
too many distros aint a problem, having that many distros is an exercise of freedom that linux provides. And there will be a lot more distros in the future so many more
I think it's about time to lay to rest this pipe dream of mass adoption of Linux on the desktop and converting windows users over to the Penguin side. It's not happening for a lot of reasons already mentioned in this thread. Linux is made by nerds for NERDS!! plain and simple. How about focusing the community's creative efforts towards the wishes of the real core Linux users and let Windows do Windows
@@Marauder-q2v i mean "unnecessary" is a strong word, but yeah once you get past all the forks with different DEs and configs theres really only like 6 main flavors that anyone *really* daily drives
Difficult to read something and listen to something else at the same time. Otherwise a good video. System76 looks good. Jorma is a fan of Thinkpads and he only uses Linux.
I think Linux has a software issue rather than a hardware issue gaming on Linux is indeed getting better than Windows which if they keep their anti-competitive acts up and REFUSE to listen to the CUSTOMER I will debate on switching I think Linux needs to adopt emulators like Project 64 HD trying to use it on Wine still gives a bad error. Microsoft SHOULD be sued for being a monopoly they want to kill computers for Copilot+ PCs someone needs to stop them and force them to bring back Windows 10 requirements they really don't care about people and I hope they enjoy me labelling them as an evil company trying to screw trillions of PC users out of a computer.
Development of Project64 died years ago, and why do you want to run it through wine anyway? You can use Mupen64 natively on Linux to play N64 games. Edit: Apparently, Development of P64 was continued. But that does not nullify my point.
the reason why most of them don't like Linux is because when they first start the go on the hard to learn distro like arch Linux which is not the first place to go when first getting into Linux. I recommend using Ubuntu instead for beginners as it is user friendly
For linux to become popular, it needs to be designed for the average user, therefor it needs to look something similar to windows in every aspect. If market share rise up; that will attract investors to either turn it into a money making machine or destroy it, therefor linux needs to make money anyway, a lot of it to survive in the market,,, you are harming linux by making it popular
@@itsmenatika indeed. that is a very typical example with config files that i've had before. it's really not something the user should be messing with. and error messages are vague and never documented anywhere
@@xybersurfer I love this "beginner friendly" Linux Ya, because a beginner would know how to repair it Even in windows it can be hard sometimes... and it doesn't have stuff like that (not including windows registry, that's a huge mess that can also brick your system, but as typical user you don't deal with it too much) But imagine times before internet or when internet wasn't that developed, even 15 years ago... No wonder Linux hasn't gotten any popularity I wouldn't even try installing arch myself, even though I'm programmer. I don't want to lose every sanity I've got. At least there are distros that are more 'user friendly' But then again... Expalining what is distro to no-tech user... Imagine if that used had chosen arch by a silly mistake ;-; because theyve heard for example that 'its very customizable' I wouldnt be surprised if I wipe my linux system someday by mistake lol Linux is just a very hard system to get into as newbie Not even including community that for some reason will force someone asking question to use terminal, because they think it is easier...
In the long run PC parts are either commodities with open-source drivers, or e-waste. Who wants a PC manufacturer? Who wants the humans that want a PC manufacturer? End OEM, end pre-installation. End uniformity: device per task, distro per device. Chromebooks and Steam are both corporates failing to grasp that the whole point of the technology is to annihilate them: the first priority for their users isn't to install Linux but to leave the corporate paradigm. You don't win when you de-Google the phone and replace Steam with free emulators, you win before that simply by stopping using Google and Steam.
GNU/Linux isn't popular as it should because many people are hostile to the idea you can make good software respecting users freedom. Would be fair if computers would be sold without a preinstalled OS
Honestly, I'd support a law that says you can't ship hardware with an operating system pre-installed, and also require that relevant hardware interface documentation be made public so that everyone can configure their operating system to work with it.
It's because of terminal and that community forces new users to use it, not wanting to give a simple tutorial with GUI Non technical people tend to hate terminals
It’s not that people are "hostile to the idea that you can make good software while respecting users' freedom"; it's that they’re intimidated by the fact that they’d have to learn a bunch of stuff to use it. That, and personal preference. There’s also the issue that, in its current stage, Linux is a nightmare for someone who is technically illiterate, given how many distros there are to choose from and how varied their use cases are. Someone who just needs a laptop to send and receive emails doesn’t want to spend an hour sifting through distros to find one that doesn’t require learning how to use a CLI to operate and inevitably troubleshoot. And no, I’m not saying Linux is useless-just that it needs a lot of user-friendliness improvements before becoming mainstream. For prosperity's sake, my experience with Linux has been mixed. On the one hand, it was very snappy and resource-efficient. On the other hand, every time I tried to download something that I couldn’t find in the built-in app store, I had to spend 20-odd minutes looking up commands and troubleshooting along with never ending compatibility issues and the alternatives being not exactly great or capable of fulfilling my use case. Wine was a mixed bag and proton apparently didn't work too well with my games (though fortunately i've solved that problem by switching to Zorin which I recently discovered). As for having a preinstalled OS, the alternative is just impractical for 90% of people and would end up with people just choosing the "default option" from the store which would still likely be windows anyway. Also yes I know installing an OS is easy I've done it tons of times but that doesn't change the fact most people just don't want to have to do that they just want a device that works out of the box so they can use a web browser or read emails and stuff.
Honestly, I'd switch to Linux if it wasn't such a hassle to set up, and most of my games wouldn't even run on it (and I heard Adobe programs have a similar issue). Those are the main reasons I'm not switching to Linux.
It's sad that we still get videos like these that fail to address the real reason why Linux is being held back. It's practically like watching a jerk circle when it comes to Linux users failing to address the skeletons in the closet. And those skeletons are, the MOUNTAIN of bugs, glitches, and crashes that come with using Linux as a daily driver. A great example of this is the video "I Tried Switching to Linux" by RUclipsr SAMTIME. That does a great job of highlighting why people still won't switch to Linux over Windows.
@@MarsofAritia Not if you subscribe to 0patch. If enough people do this, we might actually see Microsoft forced to compete with one of their own former products.
Walmart tried to sell PC in the 2000s running under LindowsOS, a fake Windows lookalike on Linux OS. Microsoft didn't liked it, obviously... XD On the second hand market, you can easily find converted Chromebook running on Linux Mint, Kali or Debian in the US and Canada for cheap and while the specs are old Chromebooks, they are running much better than Chromebook. You just need to go with a light GUI like Lxqt or Xfce and those 4gb of RAM does the work for light applications and browsing.
@Onkelz-Freak1993 it's not a problem if it's second hand. and with the tough Windows 11 system requirements, there will probably be many second hand systems
Linux is good for jobless people who have lot's of time and cant afford to update their 10 year old laptop. Once they get job and buy a new PC they just want to be productive, play games with friends and have fun.
I walked out of my Walmart job due to it being a toxic environment and doesn't uphold accommodations discriminates disabled people and was basically written up because of their communist non sense and woke practices never working their again and it stopped me from my computer build I wanted to use a prebuild for now but it looks like I am stuck on it and my dreams are crushed and frozen because no one in this small town wants to hire people and pay them good money.
I've been daily driving Arch AT WORK for the past 3 years LOL. Nobody at my workplace lasts more than two months on Windows, they either go with Mac or Linux.
Linux has a community and values problem. When they accept they the only way to grow is to play the game and create for profit companies Linux will boom
Like RedHat, Canonical and SUSE? You could even throw Google into that mix, as they're by far the biggest retailer of Linux hardware (both with Android and ChromeOS). For-profit Linux companies have been around for decades, that really is not the issue here.
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A few extra points I wanna address:
1. Although most companies don't provide Linux as an option, some system builders allow you to buy a system without an OS (therefore not paying for a Windows license).
2. I didn't address SBCs like the Raspberry Pi because although they are very affordable and primarily run Linux, the user typically has to flash their own Micro SD card. Plus, SBCs are generally not intended to be used as everyday computers, even if it's technically possible to.
re. 2 why should there be everyday computers? There are few tasks that aren't better to split off onto a dedicated sbc. re. 1 the only option I only provide for companies is the option of going bankrupt. Them providing me options is irrelevant.
I suspect most of the sales of "barebones mini PCs" are to people who plan on running Linux.
98% of my co-workers don't even know linux exists. I can count the number of people I've met in person that know Linux exists on one hand. Before any of this...they need to know it exists to start with.
what's your work?
@@__systemctl__ 1-to-1 Para-educator for disabled adults. The campus is heavily integrated with both Mac and Chrome OS. A lot of the stuff we do with the students is through a browser. Staff use cloud services and zoom. But you only get issued a laptop if you're a JTT (job coach tech) or higher.
why? most people don't understand how OSs work anyways and it doesn't matter either
@@lotkjasdfh3772 Why not? If they new it existed in the first place they might care to know. Most of the people that see me using a linux system or used my laptop to do a quick search were at least curious why my computer was....weird. You gotta start somewhere.
@@__systemctl__ 1-to-1 paraeducator for disabled adults. Posted a comment with more context but youtube ate it.
One of the problems I've faced myself is that people think Linux is bad. "Why won't you install a normal a normal OS, like windows?". No, I already use a perfectly fine system.
There is also another hardware problem for linux, especially impacting laptops. Many laptop manufacturers don't bother even thinking of linux on their machines. This results in things like fingerprint scanners, keyboards, and other built-in peripherals not working correctly or at all.
So, at the end of the day, many users will choose the convenience of windows even after trying Linux.
Getting touchscreens to work on Linux is such a pain
@@SemiCollin sounds like you are working with the wrong computers. My Dell Latitudes touch screens work just fine, at least with Linux Mint.
Fingerprint readers, I will agree with, as that's the only hardware that I have ever had an issue with on Dell Latitude laptops. HP and Dell Inspiron, those are more of a craps shoot. Latitude is the Enterprise class from Dell, and meant to be easily repaired in the field, and compatible with the widest range of operating systems. They can be found for pretty reasonable prices on eBay and from some refurbishers, and parts are readily available.
@SemiCollin My HP Spectre x360 touchscreen worked fine on both Fedora and Ubuntu. Couldn't say that about other things like the caps lock light.
My Lenovo's speakers didn't work on Linux for about a year until a kernel patch came out. If I hadn't been very dedicated to Linux, it would have been enough to move me to windows.
Same goes for lots of DRM software not working by default like Netflix
Linux laptops have existed for years. Netbooks came with linux before windows 7 came out and replaced them.
I had a netbook with Windows 7 starter. It was awful. But with linux, I found some uses for it.
so linux can run all windows 7 game even with mods and patches just as well as windows 7?
@@MGrey-qb5xz how is that related to what I've said or what the video is about?
@@UbuntuPersonNoMint idk
I'll be honest, the tiny computer sold on Linux Mint's store website is the cutest thing ever :3
Imagine playing Doom or something on that!
Just wanted to mention this!
Basically you need:
- To make cheapest laptops
- That uses the same distro (Linux Mint)
- And market it properly
Marketing costs money, mind you.
i like this plan, linux mint is the best way to go popular
@@trustytrojan i like more kali linux with gdm3, but man, linux mint have not left me crashed and kali has crashed at least 2 times with gdm3, so i think linux mint is a better shot for nowaday users specially ones that does not move too much things on their computers, a drawback i see in linux mint is the problem of using some dark mode in some programs, because you need to install qt utilities to run dark theme versions, and firefox does not run properly on linux mint, aside that is a very good option for the nowaday user, i just had to jump from kali to mint because the crashes on gdm3 just were insane, and the community did not care to fix those because you can use xfe and light instead gnome, but man, gnome of kali is just perfect when it works lol.
@@omarjimenezromero3463 im sorry in what world would a distrobution made for hackers and pentesters ever be considered for consumer laptops aimed at mass adoption?
@@trustytrojan I disagree. I feel like an immutable distro like Fedora Kiniote would be much better for the average user, since it's a lot safer than even Windows. Also KDE6 is way more feature rich and modern looking compared to Cinnamon
When a still functioning computer is no longer compatible with newer versions of MS, the most cost efficient solution is to buy a backup hard drive (if you haven't got one already, but you should have), and switch it to a compatible Linux distro of your choice. I have brought to life an old broken Vista laptop: replaced a broken hinge, cleaned clutter from inside (lots of it), repasted, upgraded RAM and switched the HDD for SSD, then installed Wilma Linux. These extra upgrades aren't necessary if you have a more recent but still out of support machine. Just the backup drive (or just an enclosure for an old one and buy new SSD to put inside) and decide for the distro. My oldie ran 32 bit sytem but it also can take 64bit. So good. RAM was originally just 2GB, I bought 4GB, but BIOS only recognises 3GB. Still better than original. Even youtube plays well on it now, whereas it was quite jumpy on 32bit distro I tried previously. I am no IT person, had to learn all this on the go just this year, mid 40s... female. Anyone can do it! AI was very helpful in all aspects of my journey, I mean chat GPT, because the browsers' own are quite behind.
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Very true, that's also one less hunk of e-waste that coulda ended up in some hole in the ground. :)
Linux Mint 22 aka Wilma for those wondering.
still too much work for end user, do you know, they can just do to bestbuy / whatever tech store, get new laptop, transfer file, done? and either just threw it into trash or keep it and eventually throw it away?
@@GBR9794 How much work is to earn £500 for a new and cheap computer? I remember changing HDD on this old machine years ago to upgrade without wanting to buy the whole new thing. I was the end user back then as I am still now.
I was a regular windows user and occasional Linux user, until 2020, when my old windows machine broke, and I built a computer orders of magnitude more powerful in its place, and installed Ubuntu on it.
Been using Linux ever since
I recently moved to Linux Mint in my laptop and I'm pretty happy. My only problem is with some games of Epic Store can't detect the main GPU and only detect the onboard intel GPU.
most distros don't handle dual gpu out of the box. unless you try pop os
If the main gpu is nvidia then need to look if the main nvidia drivers are installed in the driver manager if they are then you should get a icon in the task manager to switch profile from intel to nvidia and I think you can do it with the nvidia software manager that should be install too if nvidia driver installed. Only my guest as I have nvidia/intel laptop unless need to use something like Heroic games Launcher.
Heroic
how do you fix that issue?
@@MGrey-qb5xz @ZaberfangX literally just explained how to do that in non-technical terms.
The Dell laptop I currently have is available in a Linux variant, the Linux variant was not only more expensive (identical hardware afaik) but also out of stock almost everywhere. Hey, at least it will be easier to sell it on the second hand market with a legit Windows license. Most of the big OEMs have linux offerings, but they are usually only on the high end machines and don't make sense unless you're making a bulk order like a bigger company would.
only dell would up-charge on a free OS. Stay classy, Dell!
Also some peripherals have no/half-assed support in Linux. You're forced to do your own research before buying anything.
It's not a question of hardware, it's a fragmentation and competing project problem. Freedom is great, but when it comes to operating systems too much of it is THE problem. Too many competing app store, competing GUI that impact the look and feel of applications. The hate toward proprietary source code that makes companies unable to release their products on Linux for fear of having to open the source code and thus lose control of it. Too many distros splitting the market instead of pooling all the ressources toward a single well maintained product.
what are you talking about. why is that bad at all?
@@epicman9105 Oh boy where to start... To compete with a mainstream OS like Windows or MacOS, you need a standardized UI and workflow. You also need the support of the for profit software house who make the apps that people wants. Since neither of those two things are a priority for Linux, then it'll never be anything else than a fringe OS on the desktop market.
The licensing issue is also a pain in the butt which in turn prevent the big names in software to port their product to it. You may hate them, but without Adobe, Autodesk and myrad of others, Linux won't make it. Yeah, yeah, the opensourced alternative blah, blah, blah... which are pale copy at best and outright broken at worst. Good for joe blow that needs to do a simple task, but unusable in a professional workflow.
If Linux aspire to become more than a server/backend OS, which it excel at, it will have to stop fragmentation and pool its talent and herd them toward a single distro with a single interface and a single software management system. It'll also have to relinquished it's licensing trojan horse tactics and accept that not everyone wants to contribute code to "the collective".
I totally agree that TOO much freedom is partly THE problem, and I like your response to @epicman9105
There are many well maintained products. Look and feel is lost long time ago because for some reason, RUclips has different look and feel what is in MS Office and there is no OS that solves that.
@@epicman9105 People develop FOSS with little to no market guidance. Companies and closed source knows how to target their biggest audience who expected everything just works out of the box.
As if that were the solution. What if the electronics store around the corner suddenly had computers with Linux pre-installed? Exactly! Nobody would buy them! And even if they were sold, many of them would still be returned.
I've sold Linux preinstalled. Nothing was returned.
What version of Linux? What desktop on the version of Linux? Command line usage on Windows is rare these days. Still a bit of a thing on Linux.
People run applications. People don't run the OS for the sake of the OS. Yeah, you can A,B,C,D....Z just like Windows if you run a,b,c,d....z. But why do "Just like". Just get Windows.
I try to put Linux on old Hardware where Windows can't keep up anymore. Sometime the Linux is just as slow. So, what's the point? I'll get a new PC with Windows on it. I've installed ChromeOS Flex on a few PCs with good results.
Phones cover a lot of the bases these days. It's not uncommon for people to run their online lives purely on their phone. Get an S series Samsung and you can run Dex. Works pretty freaking good.`
If Linux was so freaking good and it saves people tons of money, corporations would use them in the cube farms. They don't. Linux is stuck in the server racks.
@@dlewis9760
That was over decade ago, it was Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and Ubuntu 12.04 LTS as they were consumer oriented too. Customer doesn't need command line. Today, Ubuntu is for enterprises and developers, and it is very bloated. Debian 12 Gnome is good, and works for older computers. Not ancient ones.
I wish System76 would have ISO layouts. I would love a System76 laptop.
Framework does I think
Here's my thought on the distro of choice:
Fedora. Probably Silverblue. Keep it on GNOME (even though I daily drive KDE). Maybe they could include KDE with the factory image too; you could change it on the login screen.
I think it's the most likely to avoid the common pitfalls of a distro when faced with a newbie. Also it's my distro of choice ;P
Fedora Kinoite is basically Silverblue but with KDE.
@juliawolf156 haha yes. I ran Kinoite for a couple months. Feel like GNOME probably has better mass market appeal though.
Almost every Linux user I know at university (including myself) uses Mint
@@amazingsoyuz873 My condolences. Mint is not a good distro for many reasons
@vvodcod only distro I've had work out of the box with no weird issues with audio or GPU drivers and it looks nice too
Thanks for the great content & welcome to the wonderful world of using GNU/Linux as a daily driver ... I stumbled across your channel by accident & am happy that I did. I like your style & having just looked at your personal website, I also like your sense of humour (when I saw your Buy me a Cup of Tea, I just knew you had to be from the U.K.) ... anyway, keep up the good work =)
The issue is that Linux is very decentralized, and many different parties simply use and maintain it to fit their needs.
Since Linux is not owned by a single towering giant that has the incentive and money to market it, it will never have the coverage of Windows and Mac.
Not to mention that everything is open source and easy to see and take. Its way too easy for companies to leech off the open source community without up streaming anything. Just look at Mac.
I find it quite comedic that Apple leeched off open-source big-time on MacOS, but has a big showy "our open-source projects"website that showcases their 3 little web frameworks. It's like a middle schooler writing a python script on github and acting like they wrote an entire OS in raw assembly.
I've been using Linux for the last 20 years, and for the last 5+ it has been my main OS, but to be honest the user experience had stayed in a sort of limbo for the last ten years. So many different package managers and tools (Flatpak, Snap, APPImage, AUR, DEB, RPM, ...) that come with pros and cons, never-ending Wayland migration that is kinda productive but also may not be. I had given up giving money to NVIDIA, and use only AMD/Intel hardware for GPU cards because of driver issues. The fact that you can buy a Win11 key for cheap and install it on a relatively modern low-end desktop really is not going in Linux's favor. Trying to fix specific software problems that you might have on your distro can be a mayor headache and time-sink.
Oh you bet it has an issue(s). It doesn’t work properly on gaming laptops, if it doesn’t like the RAM you could get locked out of your Luks encrypted drive, if there are acpi driver issues it will crash and list goes on and doesn’t end. And it takes a lifetime to debug, so spare your sanity and only run it on known compatible hardware.
I use linux on a gaming laptop and it works perfectly fine.
Even got a port of msi's preinstalled proprietary software to control my fans and cpu.
Price is the most significant reason imo, I would personally buy a better spec windows laptop for the same price, or similar spec for cheaper. The main benefit I see from these linux laptop's isn't having a linux distro out of the box, rather hardware specific things that a linux user would appreciate such as coreboot. Coreboot and other things alone don't justify the premium for me, especially since all laptop/desktop hardware is insecure compared to the modern AOSP.
A downside with Linux is, if you have a Dell computer, let say. Firmware notifications are only available within a Windows installation.
To me, it is concerning the amount of people who do not understand what a BIOS is, or even the concept of another operating system besides what comes pre-installed. It's insane the amount of people who seem to think that windows is physically baked-in to their device.
Hey man, everyone starts learning from somewhere. 6 years ago I thought the intel sticker on my laptop was an important piece of hardware that would bork my computer if it peeled off.
@@YukariAkiyama wait it's not?
@@AlgAlgorithm yea, found that out the hard way when the celeron sticker came off the school chromebook back in 7th grade
Linux is not an operating system, Linux a kernel
Isn't kernel operating system?
@@itsmenatika Nope! Kernel is the "heart" of an operating system. It only "talks" to hardware.
Google "Kernel (operating system)"
@@itsmenatikano
@@itsmenatikaYes
@@itsmenatika In every way that actually matters, yes.
This is quite an interesting video, well researched
I would argue that the amount of knowledge and effort it takes to use Linux maybe people should need to know how to install it before using it. If a computer comes with Linux and someone with a non tech background just wants to use RUclips and check email and such they don’t want to learn root systems and cli and such.
Note: Google isn't selling Chromebooks at all, really. Google sells advertising. Chromebooks (as well as any and everything running Android) exist to provide a platform for Google to show ads on. This is also why they created Chromium, and spent hundreds of millions of dollars making it so pervasive: Firefox is not under their control, and Firefox allows ad blockers. Chromium (and any of its derivatives) do not and will not ever allow any form of ad blocking. And that is the ONLY thing Google was trying to achieve, both with their OS, and their browser backend.
It's entirely about selling advertising, by controlling what users are allowed to do with their computers.
I've been on Debian-based stuff for at least a month, and I've basically used it as an OS until something comes up and I decide to reinstall it. Linux is fine, just compatibility and data issues for me.
I've been using Windows since 1997 and have used almost every version since 3.0 (yes, in 1997, my family didn't have much money so I worked on whatever I could get). So I know it very well and support it professionally as part of my day job. I think that's a hindrance for me with Linux. Things like the case-sensitive file system and 'middle-click to paste' drive me bonkers. I also get overwhelmed when there's so many different ways of doing things across other distros. My current daily driver laptop is a HP ZBook 15 G5 which has an older Nvidia GPU which isn't supported by the new open source drivers, so I had a lot of trouble getting Wayland to work. It often felt like too much work for me so I never lasted long. I think my one red line with Windows is if they start charging a subscription for it.
Honestly, thats valid. Wayland is quite hit-or-miss right now, and nvidia has been infamously dickish with it's drivers.
To some extent, Window's marketing campaign was much better than Linux's in the early days. Not only is Windows a defacto monopoly for operative systems, but the Linux foundation or distros don't have proper promotional campaigns that let them increase the target audience beyond tech professionals and hobbyists.
If you never learned about IT, you may never have had the chance to even hear the word "Linux". Most people today will go throughout their whole life never knowing in the slightest about it.
Yes, Linux does have a hardware problem!
I'm a Windows guy, but I just picked up the mac mini M4. Yes, I could run Linux through VM, but rather have it run natively. Currently, there is only one project that is pushing Linux on the Mac, and that is currently only supports the M1/M2.
0:55 subtitles...😊
I've done very well with Ubuntu and Debian since 2009. Ironically Pop OS tried to instill the wrong video driver and never worked right. The 2010 imac worked again when I put on Debian.
Every computer I've bought was either a pre-built or a Raspberry Pi. First thing I've done with every pre-built is install Linux. Possibly a non sequitur, but I really hate UEFI.
aa I'm having issues while dual booting linux mint with windows 7 (overlapping partitions) and I dont know what to do help me
It may be better to have the two Operating Systems on separate drives if your computer can accommodate it.
If you don't mind me asking, why are you using Windows 7 in 2024?
@gnulectures Old hardware
Just use Linux, dual booting to windows will lose experiences in linux, if you need to run a program in windows, use a vm
@BernardoHenriquez My family wont use linux cus there are some games that wont run and no one knows about it here too
It might be best to use an easier distro that has installer support for dual booting with windows.
The Ubuntu installer is good for that, while installing and when you reach the disk selection screen there should be an option to install alongside another OS.
I used linux not because I liked it better than windows. I liked it because it was open source, protected by the GPL and that I did not have to install any drivers for it !!
That was 24 years ago although wifi cards are still crappy but dkms takes care of that.
Yes it does, both in old and new and everything in-between. It always has and probably always will
As a long-time Linux user, I've developed a habit of always checking for hardware compatibility before making a purchase, so I rarely encounter issues. Of course, Linux can have hardware problems. But so can Windows. Recently, we've seen issues with the latest CPUs not performing well on Windows. While it may not be as noticeable in the desktop market, Windows also faces hardware compatibility problems in the server market, which is dominated by Linux. It happens to both.
Honestly I'd give Linux a genuine try if I didn't have to worry about Anti-Cheat software. I don't genuinely need a VM for my day to day and I feel like if I need to use it to get everything I want out of my PC I might as well just make the base system windows
I know its incredibly annoying, but have you tried dualbooting?
@YukariAkiyama ehhh I've vmed a few kinds of Linux. I don't mind using a VM once in a blue moon, it's just with how much I play online a VM is annoying
Dual booting in my case is pointless beyond a "ooh so this is how it works on bare metal"
the question posed in the beginning of the video is already flawed. you want to know why Linux is not popular but then arbitrarily decide you want to focus on preinstalls and basically assume that that is the cause. it's not preinstalls. it has already been done. do you remember the news story about the girl that wanted to drop out of college after ordering a Dell laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled? it's a usability problem which is the reason why it's not preinstalled. you can't look at preinstalls in isolation. i wish people would stop bringing up the old excuse of preinstalls
Unless you count android/chromeos, majorly yes
Just install Linux on any x86 CPU via usb stick. Nvidia, AMD, PowerPC, and i think apple M silicon is supposedly in the works.
Finding, installing and uninstalling apps is not well done in most Linux distros. The equivalent app stores are poorly updated, lack the volume of reviews to be meaningful and things break too often. Think like a user with little knowledge, not like a tech who enjoys tinkering and only then will traction be gained with a wider user base,
too real, even for programmers, Linux can be usable but...... there is always that BUT problem on Linux. (Also the funny Python thingy, beginner programmers broke Linux all the time because they do not know how to manage virtual environments. I am one of them too .
I wonder if Linux has a problem at all? Why should (GNU)Linux be promoted to anyone in any way - it is no product.
Linux offers a choice. But this doesn´t mean it offers a one on one alternative for proprietary software - only for free.
It offers the possibility to take back your system and data into your own hands. But since nothing comes for free, you have to invest something else than money or your data: it´s your time and maybe a little of your passion.
Linux is super right as it is. Just like veg from your own garden. You have to do by yourself and maybe ask a community for some help. And I do like to help people around me (locally). I think this is essential for the success of Linux. Googles name was big enough to make people try out Chromebooks. That is why they would not buy a Linux laptop, even if there was a budget hardware option.
Too many distros. Bad printer support. Need to focus on one consumer oriented distro. and drivers.
It is simply impossible to install linux on my desktop without sacrificing the gpu
wym, nouveau?
@p4nkcakes728 4050 laptop drivers just do not work idk why, I tried every major distro none helped
@@shortclips-based Did it only use intergrated graphics, or were graphics messed up completely?
@AlgAlgorithm graphics on nvidia were completely messed up or resulted in a bootloop, I could only use the integrated graphics by deleting nvidia drivers out of the system
My personal experience, it's:
1. The amount of distros. Windows is just Windows. Get the latest version and it's all good. Linux has so many branches that the average user isn't going to know what the differences are or why there's these differences, so just won't even try.
2. The "programmer" nature of it. Windows is, despite its flaws, easy for the average Joe to setup and start using. It is presented as such (Apple devices are also like this, very user friendly). Linux on the other hand, at least at first, seems like it needs knowledge of what a terminal is, how to boot from a USB (this is a big pro for Linux preinstalled PCs), etc. just to set it up, and even more terminal usage for personalisation.
3. Obviously the software support, bit companies not bothering supporting Linux so I can't move to it without being unable to use their software, or making it vastly more difficult to use.
IMO, like you said in the video, marketing is a huge part of people wanting to buy something with Linux. If it was presented in a more professional, friendly way, I think it'd reach way larger audiences. However, saying this, lots of people that use Linux I feel like appreciate how kind of underground it is, and making it more marketable could make it more corporate-feeling which lots of people probably wouldn't appreciate.
Yes I think it's a hardware problem, but also a public perception problem, which can be fixed by first fixing the hardware problem (maybe).
1, Linux us Linux, you get update, you get Linux, 2, windows is not easy, is easy for you cuz you have years using the OS, 3, that is not a Linux problem, is the software developing problem, We don't need Linux to be Marketing, it is awesome the way it is, maybe is not for you.
Bro did not say "Get the latest version and your good" windows is absolutelly unstable
@@Z_fentomFentom I've never reinstalled Windows since 8.1 and had problems with stability of updates, but I did brick a few of my Linux installs by doing an apt-get upgrade.
@@fearmear ive f**ked my archinstall once acidently cuz i was doin somrthing but its generally stable
How average user knows difference between AIX, iOS, FreeBSD, macOS, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris and Windows?
In my understanding there are three large ecosystems marketed to consumers, and they are Google, Apple and Microsoft. Then there are some gaming ecosystems too like Nintendo, Sony and Valve.
Linux is used mostly on enterprise systems like Red Hat, Ubuntu and Suse. It is Google and Valve who are using Linux on their consumer stuff. And probably every smart TV too. I don't know about Nintendo is it using Linux.
Debian is interesting exception that is sneakily taken huge server market share but simultaneously it is very agnostic how it is used. I think it is more for users that are against consumerism. It not for those who buy new junk every every week.
Yes it does. For me at least since Linus killed support for older 340.x Nvidia drivers in new kernels. Damn, even new Windows supports these drivers. I was told that Linux is great for my older 2010 notebook. There is some workaround, I know, but didn't work. I guess Linus had good reason to do this but it still piss me off :/
thanking me for watching that way made me sub
Linux for the average user will always be a challenge, because Linux generally does not fix itself. Repair on it is a challenge even with Grub rescue instances failing if your PC shut off during a system upgrade.
The pre-built sale for the average "Linux user" will and will always be "barebone." They will bring their own software. Notifying them that the bootloader is unlocked and that the BIOS contains what it needs to not prevent booting is often all they'll need to get started.
Most people hate terminal and Linux community would rather nuke the world than stop to giving tutorials in terminals on everything
You can easily do most of the things using simple buttons on windows
On Linux you already expected to have nerd wisdom
Especially if you installing things like arch and simple user can't know and understand this whole distribution, packing system, etc mess
I, myself wasn't sure to with which distribution should I go, even though I'm programmer xDD
Like my friend said "not everyone want to jerk off to terminal like arch users"
@@itsmenatika I'm offended by how correct you are. Lol.
@@itsmenatika Same, as programmer, I had good experience with mint on vm so I stick with it plus windows dual boot. If i never used any Linux before, I would probably just keep de-bloating windows and use it until the end of day.
Just for Linux server users to add Linux mention into public and then all will know what is Linux💀
you should also talk about android. under android there is linux kernel, people dont want to deal with complexity of linux only geeks love it, it should just function without any fuss.
Android is a very very modified version of Linux kernel. It's like saying that windows 11 is technically modified 3.1 NT.. yes in fact it is but??? No
Android doesn't also comes with GNU tools which usually are very too complex to be used by regular people
@itsmenatika that is the whole point, ordinary user does not care about kernel, drivers or gnu. He simply wants it to work. Also Google moved away from mainline kernel since Linux maintainers were very rigid and not ready to accommodate androids changes.
@@yoppindia I mean some people know about driver but not to extend that Linux can require lol
It can just say "no" to something in your PC and you magically need to have knowledge like you had made that piece of hardware yourself
If they people want Linux they will just buy Chromebooks and install Flatpak apps.
I tried Linux and went back to Windows. The reason Grub sucked and it wouldn't boot after adding a new hard drive. Windows didn't care.
too many distros aint a problem, having that many distros is an exercise of freedom that linux provides. And there will be a lot more distros in the future so many more
there's like 3
@@number_1_james_worley_fan yeah once you take away all of the unnecessary ones, like the 50 forks of ubuntu, there's like 4 options.
The most people just want their computer to be usable and they don't care of this "freedom"
I think it's about time to lay to rest this pipe dream of mass adoption of Linux on the desktop and converting windows users over to the Penguin side. It's not happening for a lot of reasons already mentioned in this thread. Linux is made by nerds for NERDS!! plain and simple. How about focusing the community's creative efforts towards the wishes of the real core Linux users and let Windows do Windows
@@Marauder-q2v i mean "unnecessary" is a strong word, but yeah once you get past all the forks with different DEs and configs theres really only like 6 main flavors that anyone *really* daily drives
Difficult to read something and listen to something else at the same time. Otherwise a good video. System76 looks good. Jorma is a fan of Thinkpads and he only uses Linux.
I think Linux has a software issue rather than a hardware issue gaming on Linux is indeed getting better than Windows which if they keep their anti-competitive acts up and REFUSE to listen to the CUSTOMER I will debate on switching I think Linux needs to adopt emulators like Project 64 HD trying to use it on Wine still gives a bad error. Microsoft SHOULD be sued for being a monopoly they want to kill computers for Copilot+ PCs someone needs to stop them and force them to bring back Windows 10 requirements they really don't care about people and I hope they enjoy me labelling them as an evil company trying to screw trillions of PC users out of a computer.
Development of Project64 died years ago, and why do you want to run it through wine anyway? You can use Mupen64 natively on Linux to play N64 games.
Edit: Apparently, Development of P64 was continued. But that does not nullify my point.
lol project 64? what year is this? do you still use zsnes too?
just use simple64 or mupen retroarch core
the reason why most of them don't like Linux is because when they first start the go on the hard to learn distro like arch Linux which is not the first place to go when first getting into Linux. I recommend using Ubuntu instead for beginners as it is user friendly
For linux to become popular, it needs to be designed for the average user, therefor it needs to look something similar to windows in every aspect. If market share rise up; that will attract investors to either turn it into a money making machine or destroy it, therefor linux needs to make money anyway, a lot of it to survive in the market,,, you are harming linux by making it popular
Not necessarily windows-like. Just without terminal like
Not necessarily windows-like. Just not terminal like and not config file like*
@@xybersurfer yes I love when single space can destroy entire system :3
@@itsmenatika indeed. that is a very typical example with config files that i've had before. it's really not something the user should be messing with. and error messages are vague and never documented anywhere
@@xybersurfer I love this "beginner friendly" Linux
Ya, because a beginner would know how to repair it
Even in windows it can be hard sometimes... and it doesn't have stuff like that (not including windows registry, that's a huge mess that can also brick your system, but as typical user you don't deal with it too much)
But imagine times before internet or when internet wasn't that developed, even 15 years ago... No wonder Linux hasn't gotten any popularity
I wouldn't even try installing arch myself, even though I'm programmer. I don't want to lose every sanity I've got.
At least there are distros that are more 'user friendly'
But then again... Expalining what is distro to no-tech user... Imagine if that used had chosen arch by a silly mistake ;-; because theyve heard for example that 'its very customizable'
I wouldnt be surprised if I wipe my linux system someday by mistake lol
Linux is just a very hard system to get into as newbie
Not even including community that for some reason will force someone asking question to use terminal, because they think it is easier...
yes
I game on my linux laptop ❤❤
In the long run PC parts are either commodities with open-source drivers, or e-waste. Who wants a PC manufacturer? Who wants the humans that want a PC manufacturer? End OEM, end pre-installation. End uniformity: device per task, distro per device. Chromebooks and Steam are both corporates failing to grasp that the whole point of the technology is to annihilate them: the first priority for their users isn't to install Linux but to leave the corporate paradigm. You don't win when you de-Google the phone and replace Steam with free emulators, you win before that simply by stopping using Google and Steam.
GNU/Linux isn't popular as it should because many people are hostile to the idea you can make good software respecting users freedom. Would be fair if computers would be sold without a preinstalled OS
Honestly, I'd support a law that says you can't ship hardware with an operating system pre-installed, and also require that relevant hardware interface documentation be made public so that everyone can configure their operating system to work with it.
It's because of terminal and that community forces new users to use it, not wanting to give a simple tutorial with GUI
Non technical people tend to hate terminals
It’s not that people are "hostile to the idea that you can make good software while respecting users' freedom"; it's that they’re intimidated by the fact that they’d have to learn a bunch of stuff to use it. That, and personal preference. There’s also the issue that, in its current stage, Linux is a nightmare for someone who is technically illiterate, given how many distros there are to choose from and how varied their use cases are. Someone who just needs a laptop to send and receive emails doesn’t want to spend an hour sifting through distros to find one that doesn’t require learning how to use a CLI to operate and inevitably troubleshoot. And no, I’m not saying Linux is useless-just that it needs a lot of user-friendliness improvements before becoming mainstream. For prosperity's sake, my experience with Linux has been mixed. On the one hand, it was very snappy and resource-efficient. On the other hand, every time I tried to download something that I couldn’t find in the built-in app store, I had to spend 20-odd minutes looking up commands and troubleshooting along with never ending compatibility issues and the alternatives being not exactly great or capable of fulfilling my use case. Wine was a mixed bag and proton apparently didn't work too well with my games (though fortunately i've solved that problem by switching to Zorin which I recently discovered). As for having a preinstalled OS, the alternative is just impractical for 90% of people and would end up with people just choosing the "default option" from the store which would still likely be windows anyway. Also yes I know installing an OS is easy I've done it tons of times but that doesn't change the fact most people just don't want to have to do that they just want a device that works out of the box so they can use a web browser or read emails and stuff.
Honestly, I'd switch to Linux if it wasn't such a hassle to set up, and most of my games wouldn't even run on it (and I heard Adobe programs have a similar issue). Those are the main reasons I'm not switching to Linux.
Sony would likely make lawsuit because they have difficulties and Playstation is only what is keeping them moving.
It's sad that we still get videos like these that fail to address the real reason why Linux is being held back. It's practically like watching a jerk circle when it comes to Linux users failing to address the skeletons in the closet. And those skeletons are, the MOUNTAIN of bugs, glitches, and crashes that come with using Linux as a daily driver. A great example of this is the video "I Tried Switching to Linux" by RUclipsr SAMTIME. That does a great job of highlighting why people still won't switch to Linux over Windows.
had more bugs on w11 than on mint. it's the reason i finally switched lol.
@@MarsofAritia Why not just use Windows 10?
@@SergeantExtreme 10 will be deprecated soon, why bother? might as well use 7, that was the last good one.
@@MarsofAritia Not if you subscribe to 0patch. If enough people do this, we might actually see Microsoft forced to compete with one of their own former products.
@@SergeantExtreme LOL. and they say linux users are delusional
I alwsys use a liveusb of linux on a new pc. If everything works, I erase windows entirely and install linux. Because linux is better than windows.
I've been using Linux since 2001 and still use it as my main only OS, in all my devices
@BernardoHenriquez Same. Linux is my primary OS, too. Windows, today, is more spyware than an operating system.
I wouldn’t say Linux is better but worse.
@bedstevesuper1936 the only technical skills to use windows is clicking on icons.
@@DV-ml4fm Is that a bad thing?
Walmart tried to sell PC in the 2000s running under LindowsOS, a fake Windows lookalike on Linux OS. Microsoft didn't liked it, obviously... XD
On the second hand market, you can easily find converted Chromebook running on Linux Mint, Kali or Debian in the US and Canada for cheap and while the specs are old Chromebooks, they are running much better than Chromebook. You just need to go with a light GUI like Lxqt or Xfce and those 4gb of RAM does the work for light applications and browsing.
Just buy a Windows computer and install GNU/Linux on it. Problem solved :D
...and pay for the license you don't use?
@@Onkelz-Freak1993 yea that's a big problem :D
@Onkelz-Freak1993 it's not a problem if it's second hand. and with the tough Windows 11 system requirements, there will probably be many second hand systems
There are plenty of computers that are sold without Windows. Probably every SBC and then there are those NUC, mini-ITX etc. devices.
Only skills issues
Linux is good for jobless people who have lot's of time and cant afford to update their 10 year old laptop. Once they get job and buy a new PC they just want to be productive, play games with friends and have fun.
even a jobless person could just be watching some movies insted of fixing and configuringg💀
I walked out of my Walmart job due to it being a toxic environment and doesn't uphold accommodations discriminates disabled people and was basically written up because of their communist non sense and woke practices never working their again and it stopped me from my computer build I wanted to use a prebuild for now but it looks like I am stuck on it and my dreams are crushed and frozen because no one in this small town wants to hire people and pay them good money.
@@joroc did you even watch the video?
I've been daily driving Arch AT WORK for the past 3 years LOL. Nobody at my workplace lasts more than two months on Windows, they either go with Mac or Linux.
Linux has a community and values problem. When they accept they the only way to grow is to play the game and create for profit companies Linux will boom
Like RedHat, Canonical and SUSE? You could even throw Google into that mix, as they're by far the biggest retailer of Linux hardware (both with Android and ChromeOS). For-profit Linux companies have been around for decades, that really is not the issue here.
@@Sjoerd1993 the issue is that these are hated by a big part of the community, where they should be endorsed and taken as an example.
Linux should not be free. no funds for OS development are sole reason for faulty Linux distros.