Thats the best explanation of a eye splice I've ever seen thanks. I do have trouble with getting the end back through the cover im going to look into some of your tools thanks.
Thanks for stopping by. The right tools and rope can make a massive difference when you are learning. We would really appreciate it if you use the product links in the description of the video if you are going to pick up some of the tools of the trade 👍
@@MrCubflyer no preference, really depends on the use case. When you are first starting it is best to get double braid where their is a good gap between the cover and the core. It can be worth a trip to the boat store to select one with a gap to practise. Once you have done a few you should be able to pull if off with most double braids
@@BottomUPBoats I make my own bury tool (wire tool) using stainless steel piano wire. I can make them any length. (I happen to have a supply of straightened wire, but it they can be made from any wire. Instead of a handle, if I need more 'grip' I just use pliers.) Also a universal fid can be made from a larger diameter plastic drinking straw. Slit it up one side and it'll fit a wide range of rope diameters. The best straws are the ones for the Boboli drinks. I usually just pop into a shop, lay a couple of dollars on the counter and take 4-5 straws. No one complains. You can buy a rope splicing kit for $70 or just DIY. For modern rope, especially dyneema, a good pair of shears is well worth buying. I have Claus, the ones in the video look good.
@@WillN2Go1 great options, I stated with the wiire ones myself and like the straw option too. 100% right on the shears, definitely needed to get through modern rope easily.
I ahd no idea how this was done, thank you! Of course I've not seen these tools before and realize they are almost essential. Great explanation, good camera work and details.
I will need to create a new eye on the end of my winch rope when it breaks. You made it look so easy which I’m sure won’t be when I need to try this? After I rewatch your video 20-30 times hopefully I will remember enough to get me thru? Thank You for the info so far,great instruction!
@allanarndt3047 more than happy for you to watch this 30 times 😁. I see you watched my earlier video in single braid. Based off the use case you described and the rope type you have purchased I would go for that option. I left some more detail there for you.
@@jakeowens1770 it is always a balance between speed and delivery of the message. We try to make our video so you can follow along in real time to complete the process. First timers could take 30 minutes to do their first one, rewatching the key steps several time. More experiences splicers my be able to go faster and skip bits. The magic of RUclips lets the viewers choose, skip bits if we are too slow or rewind and re-watch if you need a second take. Thanks for stopping by and for leaving your feedback.
I will never during the rest of my life do this. However, I gave a like just because it's so good to see an expert do what he does best and explain it so beautifully.
Wow, I hope the reason for not giving it a go is down to the fact that you will never have the need to put a neap loop into the end of of a length of Double Braid Rope.... If you ever need one then my advice is give it a go..... Thanks for leaving what now ranks as the nicest comment we have ever received at Bottom Up Boats !!!!!!!!
BEST guidance tutorial that I've seen. Batter than mtg. Instructions!....(i've spliced parachute lines with small fids for 40+ years, but BIG Fids are a handful) THANK YOU for walking through the process.
I was just looking at a bunch of these splices at a ferry terminal and wondered how they were done; the RUclips algorithm has crossed over into MIND READING 😮! Seriously: great instructional vid, I’m going to give it a go simply because it was so fascinating to see the process. Thanks for posting!
I learned how to do an eyesplice before youTube was a thing. If I had seen this video back then it would have made it easier. I remember explaining it to someone as, "Take the inside out of the outside, put the outside into the inside, then put the inside back into the outside and smooth it all up." Hmmm, maybe I did it wrong. I made a docking splice about 6 feet long for dropping over a piling, and also made the dock lines for our 31' Silverton. Saved a boatload of money by doing it myself. I also learned 2 valuable lessons with that boat: 1. Never buy a boat with someone lazier than you are; 2. Never buy a boat with someone else.
Thanks for stopping by and for sharing your experience, wise words indeed for a successful and cost effective like on the water..... We all have to thank the magic of RUclips for making learning new skills a lot easier than in days gone by !
I bought a wire wrap tool and just make a loop and wire clinch it, and then heatshrink a sleeve on over the wire. Why? I megabraid rope! It’s insane to splice!
Thanks sharing your process, budget is definitely the way to go for people who don't do it that often and a good way to get starting. Personally we like to have the pro tools of the trade :)
Congratulations 🥳 🥳🥳 Trust Me when I say they get easier with each one you do and you can always come back and watch along as you continue to master this sailing skill !!!
- for an imprpmptu D-splicer I like to bend some medium steel wire - twist a handle onto the sharp ends - giving one of custom length any time I need one in the bush....
This is exactly how I made my first one. With that said we think it is hard to beat one of the current retail models that work a treat. D-Splicer amzn.to/3U1vK81
Good luck, my best advice for you first one would be to visit the boat store and pick out some rope with room between the cover and the core. Would love to hear back on how you get on 🤞
My office hands often feel the same way, using a set of gloves like the ones below will help. Especially when it comes to milking the lines inside each other. amzn.to/3U6KkvR
I've seen a couple videos on this, but your description is fantastic. Thank you. Can you recommend a splice tool for 5/8" line? I'll probably grab a set of the Selma/RONSTAN, but it says it only goes up to 9/16". I kinda think that 5/8 must be close enough for this work, but curious what you would suggest?
I have a set of these and thing they will cover the rope size you are going for. There is always variation I the spacing between the core and the cover. Depending on this you often need to go up or down a size. If you purchase from my links and get stuck you can always make a home made D-Splicer from an old bit of wire. Don’t think it will come to that, if it does drop us a line and we can talk you through how to do it 👍
I knew Boatswain Mates who would manually weave these lines to make an eye. I just put the end of the line in my fid and pick a point down the line to penetrate and run the fid thru the center of the inner core to pull the end of the line through, then pick an exit point to get the fid out. That double-braided line is like the old Chinese finger-cuffs - the harder you pull, the tighter it becomes. For 99% of the time, a simple loop like mine is great and it takes much less time and effort to do. My biggest suggestion would be to keep the line's strands straight as you go, or your eye will not be open; it will be all twisted. Is that a "Pop-eye"? Arrrr Arrrr Arrr....
Will this have the full strength of the original rope? I would like to make an eye splice in the keel raising rope on my Ross 780, instead of using a Bowline. Some concerns I have though is will it hold and will it run over the pulleys ok?
@@BottomUPBoats thanks, I have successfully made one splice before but it wasn’t pretty. Your video was much better at explaining it. I also just watched the eye splice in Dyneema cored rope. I am very confident working with Dyneema, I think I will use that method. Or fit an ATV electric winch with Dyneema rope and make it effortless.
@@zooknut all great options which will do the job. Thanks for the feedback, you can always come back and watch along as you do more. The will get prettier and you will be able to call yourseelf a master of the skill before you know it. !!!!!
I understand what you're saying (you did an awesome job explaining it), but it's not you. It's me. 😂 I would have to repeatedly watch this video several more times than I would prefer, you make it look simple, but Is there a knot that I can use on a climbing rope that's just as strong as an eyesplice that I can use? Please excuse my ignorance. I'm new to the whole rock climbing sport. Thx for any feed back, enjoyed the video several times over 😅👍
As a sailing channel I know through the comments that our content crosses over into climbing with many comments coming from the climbing crew. I am always careful with my replies to climbers as hanging from a top of a mountain with my creations is another level to tying off your cleats and halyards. Before I go on, modern rope is super strong and will more than cover the load of the average human. Most knots will reduce the breaking strain of your rope between 15 to 30% of it max load, so any of the finishing knots on my channel should secure your rope and hold you up. The issue with some of them is how easy or not as the case may be are they to undo after load. Climbers will prefer knots which are relatively easy to until after load is applied. The splice show here will not reduce the breaking strain of the rope, this is why sailors often go for it as even though modern rope has high breaking strain when connecting to large sails you often need the full strength of the rope. Hope this helps, happy climbing and stay safe.
Good video. We had these splices on our Para Sailor sheets, they all began to bulge the core out of the covers at the eye. I ended up stuffing them back in and sewing the eyes through the covers and cores to keep this from happening again. Not a good solution but the only one we could think of in the middle of the ocean. Has anyone solved this problem?
If you repeat the final steps for a second time it should slide back in, it sounds like you have quite a bit of slack between the cover and core. If this was the case wipping like you said is more than likely the best option. The other option if you have a big gap between the cover and to core is iis to go a lot further past top of the eye when you put the core into the cover at the 6:30 minute mark, if you double the lenght you go back up the eye you will increase the amount of the splice with multiple widths which will increase the locking load created by the rope.
I do slings for the mechanics I work with. HD Mechanics. A lot of 3/4 ans 1 inch. At the last step I come out of the main line about 3 inches from the base of the loop/eye. I never take any of the ropes innards as you do and as I finish there are 3 layers of rope at that union. Far superior splice. Harder to do but these guys are animals with there slings. Setting a thimble is a good one to show as well.
@@BottomUPBoats Awesome. 1 inch dual braid is no slack dtuff and puting in a eye splice can often need a come along to get that last bit done but It really is worth it. 2 on a eye splice can hold a D8G thack frame. I have seen the line reduce itself down to a 7/16 th and not fail. Love that stuff eh.
It is not that complicated after you have done a few. Knots are great by reduce the breaking strength of the rope, plus you have got to admit that these look cool when you are done. Be brave and give it a go !!!!
Green marker made it very hard to follow along. Suggest a different color for each marked point and refer to colors rather than, or in addition to numbering. Thanks for the instructions. I never knew how simple the process was.
It seems like it would be less complicated, but clearly, that's not the case. I don't think I'd ever remember that method, which means I'd have to refer back to it every time I need to do an eye splice.
@@BottomUPBoats kudos to you! It does take talent to splice lines….one day I’ll pick up the tool you use , watch this video again , sit on the deck and try to do it! Thanks for posting!
It will be almost the same as the rope on it's own. This is one of the primary reasons for splicing as you only loose a few % points, unlike a knot like a bowline where the same loop will cost you 30 to 40% percent depending on how it is tied.
Gosh looking at all the do this do that mark here mark there, I'm sure he knows how but looks like a lot of extra work, I guess my final outcome wouldnt look like that good luck to all
Love it, this comment proves the many doubters on the validity of the title wrong. Who new all I needed was a little bit of motor oil to grease the rope to make everything run smoothly :)
Knots reduce the breaking strain of the line and can create bumps which sheet and halyards can get caught on when the are in use on your boat. The splice maintains the breaking strain of the rope and is neater.... Plus it looks cook :)
Ah you need a different process for rope where the core not braided. With the winter fast approaching you may have just given me the inspiration for an upcoming video.
The first few times can be tricky but as with anything it gets easier the more times you do it. If you make sure there is a good distance between the inner and outer core of the rope you choose you should be fine 👍
I guess it would work as long as it is constructed in the same way. That is double braid. Further to that you need to be able to feed the braids in between on another while ch may be tricky if the inner core is 100% rubber
I did this once, don't ask me how I did it, but I did. You have to give up reasoning what's going on and just doggedly follow the video. Professional eye splicers will not do this with a rope that has been under stress it's just too tightly bound.
100% on the old rope, it make it really hard, even for those who have done it multiple time. Congratulations for doggedly following the video and glad that it helped you get their. Trust me when I say it gets easier the more you do it and understand how it all works !
Your video makes it look so simple! Thanks for sharing.! Just a couple of questions 1. Is the end eye size smaller than what you initially measured off? It's hard to tell from the video, but it looks smaller. Do I need to account for some shrinkage with the burys? 2. If the eye splice is used for a dock line, does it need to be stitched or whipped to keep from coming undone with repeated loosening and tightening? 3. I have an old double braid mainsheet I want to turn in to a dock line, so it's pretty stretched out. I've washed it several times to get the salt out. Any tricks for splicing an eye splice into "mature" line? Or am I wasting my time?
@GeoffWalsh, after are few attempts with the right type of rope and the correct tools of the trade you too will be able to make it look this easy. 1. The eye will normalise to the size you marked it at in the early stages of the video after the initial load. It may be slightly smaller in the video as I shot the picture straight after doing the last step by hand,. The first time you use it under load it will normalise to the markings you made in the first steps of the video. 2. You don't need to stitch it to lock it in place, it should hold. You can do it to be extra secure but this splice is designed to operate without it. If you do want to do it check out our video on this. ruclips.net/video/72OO5m7Si_w/видео.html 3. The choice of rope is really important for learning this splice, if there is not a lot of space between the core and the cover if can be really hard to do the bury steps. If the mains sheet is old and stretched my guess is it will be really hard, if not impossible to do this splice, you could give it a go but will learn how hard it will be as you soon as you try to get the core out of the cover. The other suggestion you could try is this splice. ruclips.net/video/78sr5lVtL_I/видео.html This one has less thickness in the final step to finish it off. You loose the strength of the cover around the full length of the loop but is should be strong enough as a docking line. 4. Final option if you can't complete the final bury of the cover as it is stretch to pull the cover through is do pull the core out of the cover about a foot from where the top of your eye will be. Do the eye splice one end fixed on the core then bury the cover in the core and whip it to hold it in place. Good luck with either option 3 or 4.
The cover taper was never correctly measured or started, its 8 pairs up from the mark to “T” then every 5th strand opposite pairs are cut, also the core was never properly tapered either for whether it was a 8, 12 or 16 strand core. This makes a huge difference in the cover into the core and core into cover transition and seating into x as well as the slack being able to be milked out if the cover to fully seat the eye and having the core not bind at “z”.
Thanks for sharing, I was never taught the correct way to do this. I usually just picked a few then moved up towards the top. I am going to do some research, on the does and don't on this, could become my next video :)
Easy Peasy! (NOT!). I had done a few of these about 10 years ago when I bought my boat but did not remember the process. I sure didn’t recall all the steps involved.
That is one of the reason why we made this video so you can always come back to watch along to complete your next splice. Do it enough and you will master it !!!!
Thanks for stopping by and for the feedback. This one is hard to explain until you have done your first one. It looks cool and there is something strangely satisfying about learning a skill from days gone by in a world of automation and short cuts drive by A.I
Yes everybody's right great video easy you explained everything well the only problem I have is it can't be done it's physically impossible how are you going to pull the cover and the core through the cover it can't be done
The knot that you make are the 6:30 mark is in the cover which are this point of the splice is inside the core. When you undo this knot and taper it at the 10:00 mark and then complete the splice these two thickness slide back into the cover at the top end of the eye this is why we made this statement. The very end of the cover which is inside the core slide back into the core further up the standing end of the rope. Once complete, their will be three addition thicknesses of rope just above the eye (on top of the 2 in the original double braid). This is why we we taper the ends to allow up to fit the three addition thickness inside the original two of the rope. I agree it is hard to explain and visualise when we make the statement, no need to focus on this, if you follow the steps you will be able to learn this great skill.
The last step is the hardest. It takes brute strength. A rubber mallet and a lot of cursing are helpful. It’s not accomplished in minutes, at least not by me!
If this was your first one well done. Cursing and a rubber mallet are great additions. I avoid the cursing to remain add friendly on RUclips 😜 The title was worded to hook you and make viewers believe they could give it a go. Even if it took you 3 hours that is still 180 minutes 🤔 Thanks for stopping by and sharing your experience !!!!
@@BottomUPBoats What really blows me away ... and maybe someone can document this ... _someone got it almost right after _*_a whole string of people tried it with lousy results!_* ;-) ^5
Very good explanation and demo but, you can’t do it in “minutes” without a load of practice can you. I’d say you’re looking at about half an hour once you’ve got the steps memorised and don’t need to keep going back to the video, then after practice probably about 25 minutes per splice, which still doesn’t come under “in minutes” as a fair description.
Agree that it does take time to master the this skill with the first few attempts taking a lot longer. As you said after some practice you will be able to do it 25 minutes or less. If we work in seconds, minutes then hours and you can do in in less than 60 minutes I am going to hold firm on the title even if I was stretching the truth a little :)
In the video we used two types fids and a D-Splicer. Product links to pick up as set are in the video description if you want to give it a go yourself. Also attaching them below D-Splicer amzn.to/3U1vK81 Splicing Fids amzn.to/394q5sO
@@BottomUPBoats IRSCorp Cable Pulling Grip Sock Kit Galvanizing Steel Antislip Pipe Cable Wire Pulling Grips Lassos Set Flexible Eye Mesh Rope Blue various sizes also a good tool to have {:-) PAV UK
What you called a d-splicer I always learned as a Chinese fid, maybe a difference of location (I’m on the mid coast of Maine) or perhaps a change in the times…
@@jaysonlima7196 have not heard it called this before, with that said I have only been in the splicing game for a handful of years. My first one was made out of a old off cut of wire so it could go by many names. In the links to the products I shared it is called a d-splicer. I can feel some research coming to learm more about the evolution of this one, maybe even a video to explain what I learn. 👍
The first attempt can talks some time but it gets easier the more you do it. If you have right tools and make sure the rope you start with has some space between the cover and the core you will be fine if you follow alone. We say give it a go and you will surprise yourself as you master this great sailing skill.
Indem eine Menge Material entfernt wird, hält diese Schlaufe wesentlich weniger aus, als wenn ich die Schlaufe einfach verknoten. Sehr langwierig, viel Üben, nicht so zugfest! Wieso soll das also jemand machen? Nette Spielerei, aber für nichts gut.😮
Es funktioniert tatsächlich genau das Gegenteil von dem, was Sie beschrieben haben. Wenn Sie eine Bugleine binden, um das Aussehen zu verbessern, verlieren Sie 40 % der Bruchfestigkeit der Leine. Durch die Verbindung verlieren Sie nichts. Es ist auch sauberer für Dinge wie Fockleinen, bei denen weniger Teile des Knotens vorhanden sind, die sich beim Wenden verfangen könnten. Ja, es dauert einige Zeit, aber es lohnt sich auf jeden Fall!!!
Interesting that you are using a Sharpie for your markers. Climbing rope mamufacturers and rope access professionals don't approve of using non rope safe marks and a big deal is made of contaminating rope as it leads to known unknown weakness that often are attributed to fatalities. Is this just arse covering from the industry?
I only mark them for the video and have not done any research into this. I am going to have to look into and see if we can decide if it is fact or fiction. Thanks for sharing.
@marcgg9769 the team at Bottom up Boats use several tools to try and up our game and get or content seen by more people. I much of the feedback points towards good storytelling, emotive titles and great thumbnails as the keys to success. For this this video I used the AI within one of the tools to help with the title and it looks like it has helped up our game as this video has been viewed more in the first 2 months than any other we have published. While it only takes minutes to watch your first one will take you a while (maybe measured in hours). If you come back to the channel and keep practicing you will get it to minutes……
@@wallacegrommet9343 I am ready for me day in court, may we can the judge to see if he can pull one of before he decides.... Even if it takes him 100 minutes the title could still be true 🙄
Don’t bother to try on used rope. You must create the eye splice using brand new rope. I used to enjoy doing it until some kind soul stole all my fids.
We tried to make it as simple as possible. Thanks to the magic of you tube you can always watch along when you need to do one if you can not remember the steps
If you are going to pretend to be a rope expert, you could at least call that rope by the proper term. I specialized in high angle rescue as well as did some mountain climbing, rapelling, and even sold rope. That rope is properly called kernmantle, not double braid. And, since you are using marine rope it is most likely polypropylene cored which would mean it is static kernmantle as opposed to dynamic kernmantle.
Climbers are a different level, goes without saying that you would want to be if you where putting your life in the hands of one of these. Sailors have always referred to this as double braid. I am guessing the will be various materials used to make the rope.
@@BottomUPBoats you misunderstand bottom up boats, which is a great name btw, I have "mastered it" by paying someone else a couple of dollars to do it. I got a lot to think about 80 foot up in a cottonwood, my ability to splice shouldn't be one of those things.
You must be kidding! Who would want to go through all that? It's far too complicated for a video as no one could remember al the incremental steps. Far better to demonstrate with visual text instructions. Even better, buy a new rope with the eyes you need.
Will have to agree to disagree with this one, sailors who are in the know will always take the time to learn this skill. They are stronger than knots and look great. It does take a few goes to get it right, that is the perfect reason to make a video so people can work through it at there own pace speeding up or rewinding until you have done it enough to commit it to memory.
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Thats the best explanation of a eye splice I've ever seen thanks. I do have trouble with getting the end back through the cover im going to look into some of your tools thanks.
Thanks for stopping by. The right tools and rope can make a massive difference when you are learning.
We would really appreciate it if you use the product links in the description of the video if you are going to pick up some of the tools of the trade 👍
@@BottomUPBoats is there a preferred brand of line you prefer?
@@MrCubflyer no preference, really depends on the use case. When you are first starting it is best to get double braid where their is a good gap between the cover and the core. It can be worth a trip to the boat store to select one with a gap to practise. Once you have done a few you should be able to pull if off with most double braids
@@BottomUPBoats I make my own bury tool (wire tool) using stainless steel piano wire. I can make them any length. (I happen to have a supply of straightened wire, but it they can be made from any wire. Instead of a handle, if I need more 'grip' I just use pliers.)
Also a universal fid can be made from a larger diameter plastic drinking straw. Slit it up one side and it'll fit a wide range of rope diameters. The best straws are the ones for the Boboli drinks. I usually just pop into a shop, lay a couple of dollars on the counter and take 4-5 straws. No one complains. You can buy a rope splicing kit for $70 or just DIY. For modern rope, especially dyneema, a good pair of shears is well worth buying. I have Claus, the ones in the video look good.
@@WillN2Go1 great options, I stated with the wiire ones myself and like the straw option too.
100% right on the shears, definitely needed to get through modern rope easily.
This is an excellent video with attention to details. I found it really helpful. Thanks!
Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to share your feedback. Comments like this inspire us to do more... Glad you found it useful !!!
Great explanation.
Also explains why it was easier to develop rocket science than to sail to the moon. 👍
With clear instructions even the impossible is possible :)
I ahd no idea how this was done, thank you!
Of course I've not seen these tools before and realize they are almost essential.
Great explanation, good camera work and details.
Thanks so much for stopping by and for the feedback. Glad you like the video and hope you find time to get the tools and give it a go yourself.
Thanks for the lesson very apreciated❤
My pleasure, always nice to get a shout out that viewers got some value from our content !
I will need to create a new eye on the end of my winch rope when it breaks. You made it look so easy which I’m sure won’t be when I need to try this? After I rewatch your video 20-30 times hopefully I will remember enough to get me thru? Thank You for the info so far,great instruction!
@allanarndt3047 more than happy for you to watch this 30 times 😁.
I see you watched my earlier video in single braid. Based off the use case you described and the rope type you have purchased I would go for that option. I left some more detail there for you.
Video could have been more clear. Slow videos are more confusing
@@jakeowens1770 it is always a balance between speed and delivery of the message. We try to make our video so you can follow along in real time to complete the process. First timers could take 30 minutes to do their first one, rewatching the key steps several time. More experiences splicers my be able to go faster and skip bits.
The magic of RUclips lets the viewers choose, skip bits if we are too slow or rewind and re-watch if you need a second take.
Thanks for stopping by and for leaving your feedback.
I hope you have double braided nylon and You will have to use the old Rope splicing method on your winch rope.
I will never during the rest of my life do this. However, I gave a like just because it's so good to see an expert do what he does best and explain it so beautifully.
Wow, I hope the reason for not giving it a go is down to the fact that you will never have the need to put a neap loop into the end of of a length of Double Braid Rope.... If you ever need one then my advice is give it a go.....
Thanks for leaving what now ranks as the nicest comment we have ever received at Bottom Up Boats !!!!!!!!
BEST guidance tutorial that I've seen. Batter than mtg. Instructions!....(i've spliced parachute lines with small fids for 40+ years, but BIG Fids are a handful) THANK YOU for walking through the process.
Thanks for stopping by and for the fabulous feedback. Looks like this video will take your big FID work to the next level !!!!!
I was just looking at a bunch of these splices at a ferry terminal and wondered how they were done; the RUclips algorithm has crossed over into MIND READING 😮!
Seriously: great instructional vid, I’m going to give it a go simply because it was so fascinating to see the process. Thanks for posting!
Glad you liked it and are going to give it a go. It is a great skill to master.
Thank you . I have actually made my own long reins for training my horse. So much better learning a new skill. Thanks again
Love it !!!!
100% agreed that learning new skills is what life is all about.
Thanks to RUclips for creating a platform that makes anything possible !!
Not the first video I have watched on this splice, but one of the best. It had a few new tips that made my splices easier. Thank you.
Thanks for stopping by and the feedback, great to hear that some who could already do this found some value in our version !!!!
I learned how to do an eyesplice before youTube was a thing. If I had seen this video back then it would have made it easier.
I remember explaining it to someone as, "Take the inside out of the outside, put the outside into the inside, then put the inside back into the outside and smooth it all up." Hmmm, maybe I did it wrong. I made a docking splice about 6 feet long for dropping over a piling, and also made the dock lines for our 31' Silverton. Saved a boatload of money by doing it myself.
I also learned 2 valuable lessons with that boat: 1. Never buy a boat with someone lazier than you are; 2. Never buy a boat with someone else.
Thanks for stopping by and for sharing your experience, wise words indeed for a successful and cost effective like on the water.....
We all have to thank the magic of RUclips for making learning new skills a lot easier than in days gone by !
Excellent share, you win the Internet for the Day.
Thanks for the feedback. You win the best ever comment award 🥇
Excellent!
I've done this about 40 years ago. They came out very well, but for the life of me, I couldn't recall exactly how it was done.
Thank you.
Nice one, you can always come back here for a refresher.
Brilliant demonstration - that last bit is always difficult for me - Well done
Thanks for the feedback, finish can be tough but gets easier with practise.
Yeah this is a very well explained video. Love it
Glad you found it easy to follow and thanks for taking time to leave some feedback 👍
wow!
big thank you from Hungary
You are welcome!
Awesome and Thank You!
Thanks for stopping by and for leaving some feedback. Glad you liked it :)
I remover doing my first eye splice and it came out very nice except that I forgot to put on the shackle with a closed eye.
Easy to do when you have so much to think about. I am sure that you did another one in 1/2 the time with the shackle in the closed eye !!!
I bought a wire wrap tool and just make a loop and wire clinch it, and then heatshrink a sleeve on over the wire. Why? I megabraid rope! It’s insane to splice!
Thanks sharing your process, budget is definitely the way to go for people who don't do it that often and a good way to get starting. Personally we like to have the pro tools of the trade :)
I just completed my 1st one, Yaaaaa! That was very difficult, but I’ve got about 15 more to do. Thanks for your video instruction.
Congratulations 🥳 🥳🥳
Trust
Me when I say they get easier with each one you do and you can always come back and watch along as you continue to master this sailing skill !!!
Nice choice of color marker. Let’s use the same color as the rope.
I went for the red one only to find out it had dried out when I went to use it. Sadly green was all I had handy which was working :(
- for an imprpmptu D-splicer I like to bend some medium steel wire - twist a handle onto the sharp ends - giving one of custom length any time I need one in the bush....
This is exactly how I made my first one. With that said we think it is hard to beat one of the current retail models that work a treat.
D-Splicer
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Excellent video!!! Is it safe to use this to hold your boat from the dock?
Yep, these are secure and stronger loops that any knot that you would tie
Excellent idea to use the contrasting green coloured marker
:) setup all the lighting to record and started to find out that my red one had dried out. Sadly the kids only had green in the pencil cases :(
I have tried, failed and quit after following other videos. This video inspires me to have another go at it.
Good luck, my best advice for you first one would be to visit the boat store and pick out some rope with room between the cover and the core.
Would love to hear back on how you get on 🤞
When I do 3 or 4 eye splices in a day in hands feel like I sanded them and my grip is flimsy for a day or so. Good video, thanks.
My office hands often feel the same way, using a set of gloves like the ones below will help.
Especially when it comes to milking the lines inside each other.
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I've seen a couple videos on this, but your description is fantastic. Thank you.
Can you recommend a splice tool for 5/8" line? I'll probably grab a set of the Selma/RONSTAN, but it says it only goes up to 9/16". I kinda think that 5/8 must be close enough for this work, but curious what you would suggest?
I have a set of these and thing they will cover the rope size you are going for.
There is always variation I the spacing between the core and the cover. Depending on this you often need to go up or down a size.
If you purchase from my links and get stuck you can always make a home made D-Splicer from an old bit of wire.
Don’t think it will come to that, if it does drop us a line and we can talk you through how to do it 👍
I knew Boatswain Mates who would manually weave these lines to make an eye. I just put the end of the line in my fid and pick a point down the line to penetrate and run the fid thru the center of the inner core to pull the end of the line through, then pick an exit point to get the fid out. That double-braided line is like the old Chinese finger-cuffs - the harder you pull, the tighter it becomes. For 99% of the time, a simple loop like mine is great and it takes much less time and effort to do.
My biggest suggestion would be to keep the line's strands straight as you go, or your eye will not be open; it will be all twisted.
Is that a "Pop-eye"? Arrrr Arrrr Arrr....
Yep a splice like that will grip under load, with that said this is the only way to ensure you stay locked in both under load and not.
Will this have the full strength of the original rope? I would like to make an eye splice in the keel raising rope on my Ross 780, instead of using a Bowline. Some concerns I have though is will it hold and will it run over the pulleys ok?
Yes it will have the same breaking strain of the rope, with a bowline you will loose around 30%
One of the top reasons to learn to splice.
@@BottomUPBoats thanks, I have successfully made one splice before but it wasn’t pretty. Your video was much better at explaining it. I also just watched the eye splice in Dyneema cored rope. I am very confident working with Dyneema, I think I will use that method. Or fit an ATV electric winch with Dyneema rope and make it effortless.
@@zooknut all great options which will do the job. Thanks for the feedback, you can always come back and watch along as you do more.
The will get prettier and you will be able to call yourseelf a master of the skill before you know it. !!!!!
I understand what you're saying (you did an awesome job explaining it), but it's not you. It's me. 😂
I would have to repeatedly watch this video several more times than I would prefer, you make it look simple, but Is there a knot that I can use on a climbing rope that's just as strong as an eyesplice that I can use? Please excuse my ignorance. I'm new to the whole rock climbing sport. Thx for any feed back, enjoyed the video several times over 😅👍
As a sailing channel I know through the comments that our content crosses over into climbing with many comments coming from the climbing crew.
I am always careful with my replies to climbers as hanging from a top of a mountain with my creations is another level to tying off your cleats and halyards.
Before I go on, modern rope is super strong and will more than cover the load of the average human. Most knots will reduce the breaking strain of your rope between 15 to 30% of it max load, so any of the finishing knots on my channel should secure your rope and hold you up. The issue with some of them is how easy or not as the case may be are they to undo after load. Climbers will prefer knots which are relatively easy to until after load is applied.
The splice show here will not reduce the breaking strain of the rope, this is why sailors often go for it as even though modern rope has high breaking strain when connecting to large sails you often need the full strength of the rope.
Hope this helps, happy climbing and stay safe.
So the secret is magic!
Watch the video a dozen times and you too will be able to pull a Rabbit out of your hat and make your first splice
Good video. We had these splices on our Para Sailor sheets, they all began to bulge the core out of the covers at the eye. I ended up stuffing them back in and sewing the eyes through the covers and cores to keep this from happening again. Not a good solution but the only one we could think of in the middle of the ocean. Has anyone solved this problem?
If you repeat the final steps for a second time it should slide back in, it sounds like you have quite a bit of slack between the cover and core. If this was the case wipping like you said is more than likely the best option.
The other option if you have a big gap between the cover and to core is iis to go a lot further past top of the eye when you put the core into the cover at the 6:30 minute mark, if you double the lenght you go back up the eye you will increase the amount of the splice with multiple widths which will increase the locking load created by the rope.
I do slings for the mechanics I work with. HD Mechanics. A lot of 3/4 ans 1 inch. At the last step I come out of the main line about 3 inches from the base of the loop/eye. I never take any of the ropes innards as you do and as I finish there are 3 layers of rope at that union. Far superior splice. Harder to do but these guys are animals with there slings. Setting a thimble is a good one to show as well.
Thanks for sharing I will check both of these out an schedule them for future release !!!!
@@BottomUPBoats Awesome. 1 inch dual braid is no slack dtuff and puting in a eye splice can often need a come along to get that last bit done but It really is worth it. 2 on a eye splice can hold a D8G thack frame. I have seen the line reduce itself down to a 7/16 th and not fail. Love that stuff eh.
Very interesting, but I'll just buy what spliced lines I need. Cool vid, though!
Where is the fun in that 😝
I am sure you would feel differently after competing your first home made one 👍
@@BottomUPBoats Yeah, true. If I needed many I'd take the time for sure. I can, however, easily splice ski rope 😎
@@Nitrox4me planning to do demo's in 3 and 5 strand rope which sailors use of docking lines. From memory I think they will be similar.
3:12 Lol youtube's compression algorhythm is having a seizure with that rope core! 🤣
AI is not all it is cracked up to be.
I always wondered how they did that. 🙃👍
Glad we could help you understand how it is done !!!
Looks easy but it bloody complicated I will just tie a knot😁😁😁
It is not that complicated after you have done a few.
Knots are great by reduce the breaking strength of the rope, plus you have got to admit that these look cool when you are done.
Be brave and give it a go !!!!
Green marker made it very hard to follow along. Suggest a different color for each marked point and refer to colors rather than, or in addition to numbering.
Thanks for the instructions. I never knew how simple the process was.
Sorry for that, went to use the red one after setting up the studio to film only to find out it had dried out :(
It seems like it would be less complicated, but clearly, that's not the case. I don't think I'd ever remember that method, which means I'd have to refer back to it every time I need to do an eye splice.
Nothing wrong with that, and one of the reasons I made the video in the first place :)
I think I’ll just buy one 😮😮
Always and option, however, trust me when I say it is highly satisfying when you learn how to do it yourself.
@@BottomUPBoats kudos to you! It does take talent to splice lines….one day I’ll pick up the tool you use , watch this video again , sit on the deck and try to do it! Thanks for posting!
@@SM-dv6wi patients and persistence will get you there and the feeling of accomplishment when you do it will be worth the effort. 👍
No matter what I do I cannot get the core past the Y. Tried with fid and made a D tool of piano wire. What am I doing wrong?
Can I ask if you rope is new or are you trying to do it used rope ?
What is the strength compared to the rope itself?
It will be almost the same as the rope on it's own. This is one of the primary reasons for splicing as you only loose a few % points, unlike a knot like a bowline where the same loop will cost you 30 to 40% percent depending on how it is tied.
Gosh looking at all the do this do that mark here mark there, I'm sure he knows how but looks like a lot of extra work, I guess my final outcome wouldnt look like that good luck to all
Yes it is extra work but we think it is worth it.
Be brave and give it a go !!!
If I can buy a rope with the splice I think I will.
You might think differently, when you see the price of pre spliced rope.
Holy cow.
I guess if you made the eye big enough you could make a leash for a cow :)
Saw someone in Shri Lanka do this in 2 minutes with a nail and used motor oil
Love it, this comment proves the many doubters on the validity of the title wrong.
Who new all I needed was a little bit of motor oil to grease the rope to make everything run smoothly :)
(Asking for a friend) if you need a loop, why not tie a figure-8 or overhand on a bite?
Knots reduce the breaking strain of the line and can create bumps which sheet and halyards can get caught on when the are in use on your boat. The splice maintains the breaking strain of the rope and is neater....
Plus it looks cook :)
@BottomUPBoats makes sense. Thanks for sharing this & I also enjoyed your soft shackle video 📹.
@@imaphxaznative that for the feedback !!!
Always nice to hear from viewers who are enjoying our content .....
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My core is just a bunch of single strands, how do I do this if it's all just single strands inside?
Ah you need a different process for rope where the core not braided. With the winter fast approaching you may have just given me the inspiration for an upcoming video.
Nope....ships store; I need a docking line please
Ah sorry about that is on my list to do. Are you looking for a three strand or a 5 strand demo so I know which one to do first?
What is the length of the fid?
I used the second largest of the FIDS in the set which is 9 inches long.
Looks so easy, but is tough to make
The first few times can be tricky but as with anything it gets easier the more times you do it.
If you make sure there is a good distance between the inner and outer core of the rope you choose you should be fine 👍
Will this work with Bungie rope?
I guess it would work as long as it is constructed in the same way. That is double braid. Further to that you need to be able to feed the braids in between on another while ch may be tricky if the inner core is 100% rubber
@@BottomUPBoats I really appreciate your help. Great video. I will see what I can find that's specific to Bungie rope.
Let us know what you find out!
I never realised this was such an asshole of a job. Thanks Linda for sorting out all my splicing needs
Sounds like Linda is a keeper as part of your crew if she has mastered this skill and keeps you right.
I did this once, don't ask me how I did it, but I did. You have to give up reasoning what's going on and just doggedly follow the video.
Professional eye splicers will not do this with a rope that has been under stress it's just too tightly bound.
100% on the old rope, it make it really hard, even for those who have done it multiple time.
Congratulations for doggedly following the video and glad that it helped you get their.
Trust me when I say it gets easier the more you do it and understand how it all works !
SOOOOOOO much work for a simple eye splice.
Yes but it is soooooooo with it.
Great instructional video but much too difficult for me.
Thanks for the feedback. If you ever get the urge to give it a go you know where to come to master it 👍
Your video makes it look so simple! Thanks for sharing.! Just a couple of questions
1. Is the end eye size smaller than what you initially measured off? It's hard to tell from the video, but it looks smaller. Do I need to account for some shrinkage with the burys?
2. If the eye splice is used for a dock line, does it need to be stitched or whipped to keep from coming undone with repeated loosening and tightening?
3. I have an old double braid mainsheet I want to turn in to a dock line, so it's pretty stretched out. I've washed it several times to get the salt out. Any tricks for splicing an eye splice into "mature" line? Or am I wasting my time?
@GeoffWalsh, after are few attempts with the right type of rope and the correct tools of the trade you too will be able to make it look this easy.
1. The eye will normalise to the size you marked it at in the early stages of the video after the initial load. It may be slightly smaller in the video as I shot the picture straight after doing the last step by hand,. The first time you use it under load it will normalise to the markings you made in the first steps of the video.
2. You don't need to stitch it to lock it in place, it should hold. You can do it to be extra secure but this splice is designed to operate without it. If you do want to do it check out our video on this.
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3. The choice of rope is really important for learning this splice, if there is not a lot of space between the core and the cover if can be really hard to do the bury steps. If the mains sheet is old and stretched my guess is it will be really hard, if not impossible to do this splice, you could give it a go but will learn how hard it will be as you soon as you try to get the core out of the cover.
The other suggestion you could try is this splice.
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This one has less thickness in the final step to finish it off. You loose the strength of the cover around the full length of the loop but is should be strong enough as a docking line.
4. Final option if you can't complete the final bury of the cover as it is stretch to pull the cover through is do pull the core out of the cover about a foot from where the top of your eye will be. Do the eye splice one end fixed on the core then bury the cover in the core and whip it to hold it in place.
Good luck with either option 3 or 4.
What is this sorcery?!
Sorcery in its purest form.
This is the only tutorial that works for old ropes. The key here is to normalize the rope 3:04
Old rope will always make it harder, as you said normalising the rope is a key step
The cover taper was never correctly measured or started, its 8 pairs up from the mark to “T” then every 5th strand opposite pairs are cut, also the core was never properly tapered either for whether it was a 8, 12 or 16 strand core. This makes a huge difference in the cover into the core and core into cover transition and seating into x as well as the slack being able to be milked out if the cover to fully seat the eye and having the core not bind at “z”.
Thanks for sharing, I was never taught the correct way to do this. I usually just picked a few then moved up towards the top. I am going to do some research, on the does and don't on this, could become my next video :)
Try like 180 min?
180 mins is still minutes...... With a couple of test runs these can be completed in less than 20 minutes with the right tools and rope.
Easy Peasy! (NOT!). I had done a few of these about 10 years ago when I bought my boat but did not remember the process. I sure didn’t recall all the steps involved.
That is one of the reason why we made this video so you can always come back to watch along to complete your next splice.
Do it enough and you will master it !!!!
@@BottomUPBoats Your video is excellent and a great resource!
@@JT_70 thanks for the feedback. Hopefully other will read and give the resource a run :)
Well explained, way too much work
Thanks for stopping by and for the feedback.
This one is hard to explain until you have done your first one. It looks cool and there is something strangely satisfying about learning a skill from days gone by in a world of automation and short cuts drive by A.I
Yes everybody's right great video easy you explained everything well the only problem I have is it can't be done it's physically impossible how are you going to pull the cover and the core through the cover it can't be done
The knot that you make are the 6:30 mark is in the cover which are this point of the splice is inside the core. When you undo this knot and taper it at the 10:00 mark and then complete the splice these two thickness slide back into the cover at the top end of the eye this is why we made this statement. The very end of the cover which is inside the core slide back into the core further up the standing end of the rope. Once complete, their will be three addition thicknesses of rope just above the eye (on top of the 2 in the original double braid). This is why we we taper the ends to allow up to fit the three addition thickness inside the original two of the rope.
I agree it is hard to explain and visualise when we make the statement, no need to focus on this, if you follow the steps you will be able to learn this great skill.
The last step is the hardest. It takes brute strength. A rubber mallet and a lot of cursing are helpful. It’s not accomplished in minutes, at least not by me!
If this was your first one well done. Cursing and a rubber mallet are great additions.
I avoid the cursing to remain add friendly on RUclips 😜
The title was worded to hook you and make viewers believe they could give it a go. Even if it took you 3 hours that is still 180 minutes 🤔
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your experience !!!!
_Rope and knots_ ... *the stuff of magic!"*
p.s. folks? see *_"The Ditty Bag Book"_* :-)
Yes indeed, mystical forces at play with this one.
@@BottomUPBoats What really blows me away ... and maybe someone can document this ... _someone got it almost right after _*_a whole string of people tried it with lousy results!_* ;-)
^5
@@BenTrem42 always happy to hear our videos are helping people learn a new skill. The more you do it the easier it gets.
Very good explanation and demo but, you can’t do it in “minutes” without a load of practice can you. I’d say you’re looking at about half an hour once you’ve got the steps memorised and don’t need to keep going back to the video, then after practice probably about 25 minutes per splice, which still doesn’t come under “in minutes” as a fair description.
Agree that it does take time to master the this skill with the first few attempts taking a lot longer. As you said after some practice you will be able to do it 25 minutes or less.
If we work in seconds, minutes then hours and you can do in in less than 60 minutes I am going to hold firm on the title even if I was stretching the truth a little :)
There is another way using a large sailmakers needle. Probably too hard for landlubbers to master!
I would love to learn more no this method
Whats the tools called?
In the video we used two types fids and a D-Splicer. Product links to pick up as set are in the video description if you want to give it a go yourself. Also attaching them below
D-Splicer
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Splicing Fids
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@@BottomUPBoats IRSCorp Cable Pulling Grip Sock Kit Galvanizing Steel Antislip Pipe Cable Wire Pulling Grips Lassos Set Flexible Eye Mesh Rope Blue various sizes
also a good tool to have
{:-) PAV UK
@@davexvs thanks for this, I will have to check these out.
What you called a d-splicer I always learned as a Chinese fid, maybe a difference of location (I’m on the mid coast of Maine) or perhaps a change in the times…
@@jaysonlima7196 have not heard it called this before, with that said I have only been in the splicing game for a handful of years. My first one was made out of a old off cut of wire so it could go by many names. In the links to the products I shared it is called a d-splicer.
I can feel some research coming to learm more about the evolution of this one, maybe even a video to explain what I learn. 👍
O.k.,now show me how the machine made do it.
Hmmm, interesting question which I don’t know the answer to. Looks like it is time for a research project.
I can do a granny knot
So can I.
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jesus this looks complicated
The first attempt can talks some time but it gets easier the more you do it. If you have right tools and make sure the rope you start with has some space between the cover and the core you will be fine if you follow alone.
We say give it a go and you will surprise yourself as you master this great sailing skill.
splices are functional, look good, show craftsmanship. I always splice my ropes.
@@snort455 totally agree, trust the process and results are all that you pointed out + more. 👍
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Why not give it a go ?
In an hour.
which = 60 minutrs :)
Looks good but to much Hassal
You should give it a go, it is even better than it looks when you complete it :)
Indem eine Menge Material entfernt wird, hält diese Schlaufe wesentlich weniger aus, als wenn ich die Schlaufe einfach verknoten. Sehr langwierig, viel Üben, nicht so zugfest! Wieso soll das also jemand machen? Nette Spielerei, aber für nichts gut.😮
Es funktioniert tatsächlich genau das Gegenteil von dem, was Sie beschrieben haben. Wenn Sie eine Bugleine binden, um das Aussehen zu verbessern, verlieren Sie 40 % der Bruchfestigkeit der Leine. Durch die Verbindung verlieren Sie nichts.
Es ist auch sauberer für Dinge wie Fockleinen, bei denen weniger Teile des Knotens vorhanden sind, die sich beim Wenden verfangen könnten.
Ja, es dauert einige Zeit, aber es lohnt sich auf jeden Fall!!!
To much for me , mind boggling.
Come on, don't be like that get the gear and give it a go !!!!
It is easier than it looks :)
So...there is NO core in the "eye" ?!
There is both core and the outer braid all the way through the eye.
Interesting that you are using a Sharpie for your markers.
Climbing rope mamufacturers and rope access professionals don't approve of using non rope safe marks and a big deal is made of contaminating rope as it leads to known unknown weakness that often are attributed to fatalities.
Is this just arse covering from the industry?
I only mark them for the video and have not done any research into this. I am going to have to look into and see if we can decide if it is fact or fiction. Thanks for sharing.
why
Because it is cleaner and stronger than making a loop with a knot.
Plus it looks cool 😎
Why say "Master in minutes?" This takes hours of practice to get right and some more.
@marcgg9769 the team at Bottom up Boats use several tools to try and up our game and get or content seen by more people.
I much of the feedback points towards good storytelling, emotive titles and great thumbnails as the keys to success.
For this this video I used the AI within one of the tools to help with the title and it looks like it has helped up our game as this video has been viewed more in the first 2 months than any other we have published.
While it only takes minutes to watch your first one will take you a while (maybe measured in hours).
If you come back to the channel and keep practicing you will get it to minutes……
The title is correct.Anyone that’s not simple can do this.Not rocket science.
@@Mike-h1k even if you first one takes as while you should be able to do it in less than 1 hours so we still count that as minutes :)
I’m suing! Who’s with me?
@@wallacegrommet9343 I am ready for me day in court, may we can the judge to see if he can pull one of before he decides.... Even if it takes him 100 minutes the title could still be true 🙄
Don’t bother to try on used rope. You must create the eye splice using brand new rope. I used to enjoy doing it until some kind soul stole all my fids.
100% that new rope is the way to do... Why not buy some new fids via the product links in the description and get back to it ?
This is absurdly complicated.
We tried to make it as simple as possible. Thanks to the magic of you tube you can always watch along when you need to do one if you can not remember the steps
Hmmm 😢😢complicated
After a couple of practice runs it is easier than it looks.
Etwas chaotisch, für mich leider nicht nachvollziehbar, schade.
Es tut mir leid, dass Sie den Schritten nicht folgen konnten, wie so viele andere, die diese Fähigkeit beherrschen müssen
I'm just gonna use duct tape
Hopefully it is a low load use case. I will have to add that to my breaking loads test that I have planned.
Rabbitshit, it will take tens of minutes to do this
Tens of minutes are still minutes
If you are going to pretend to be a rope expert, you could at least call that rope by the proper term. I specialized in high angle rescue as well as did some mountain climbing, rapelling, and even sold rope. That rope is properly called kernmantle, not double braid. And, since you are using marine rope it is most likely polypropylene cored which would mean it is static kernmantle as opposed to dynamic kernmantle.
Climbers are a different level, goes without saying that you would want to be if you where putting your life in the hands of one of these.
Sailors have always referred to this as double braid. I am guessing the will be various materials used to make the rope.
I have the splice mastered...I pay the pro where I buy my ropes. Do anything else and you are flirting with disaster.
I have never had one fail, so if you have it mastered I see no reason to pay the pro's....
@@BottomUPBoats you misunderstand bottom up boats, which is a great name btw, I have "mastered it" by paying someone else a couple of dollars to do it. I got a lot to think about 80 foot up in a cottonwood, my ability to splice shouldn't be one of those things.
@@intheshell35ify out-scouring is always and option 😃
Boring
But effective is you want to learn this new skill 🤔
this is disgusting
In what way ?
You must be kidding! Who would want to go through all that? It's far too complicated for a video as no one could remember al the incremental steps. Far better to demonstrate with visual text instructions. Even better, buy a new rope with the eyes you need.
Will have to agree to disagree with this one, sailors who are in the know will always take the time to learn this skill.
They are stronger than knots and look great.
It does take a few goes to get it right, that is the perfect reason to make a video so people can work through it at there own pace speeding up or rewinding until you have done it enough to commit it to memory.
I am from USA, I need a translator…. thanks
That’s somewhat understandable when you are listening to an Ozzie in Belfast 🤔