“Taylor became your hero. You wanted to be just like her” wouldn’t the average mother want her daughter be like her? And doesn’t that speaks volumes about the kind of woman you are if you don’t want your daughter to end up like you?
The five stages of anti-grief (or whatever it's called when a loved one returns from the grave), according to Sally Spectra: 1 - "Oh my darling girl..." 2 - "...I never want to see you again!" 3 - Heart attack 4 - Party 5 - Undercover spy mission in drag on behalf of formerly deceased daughter
*Gladys reappears* I have written many times about the parallels between Macy's return and Taylor's 1995 Morocco storyline (see my summary in episode 3971, _The final chapter of Morocco 2. O_ - sort by newest post in order to make the essay visible). Gladys making an appearance in this storyline in another part of this pattern, as it was Taylor's return from the dead that first introduced the Gladys character. There, Taylor needed a disguise in order to be able to get close to Ridge and observe him with her rivaI Brooke in order to find out what his true feelings were. Here, it is Sally who needs a disguise in order to get close to Thorne and observe him with Macy's (potential) rivaI Tricia in order to find out what Thorne's true feelings are. Gladys' plot function is identical in both storylines, but while Taylor wore the disguise herself, here it is not Macy but her mother who wears the disguise, which is a logical choice for several reasons. Taylor wearing those disguises turned her into something of a joke, which is not a good look for a romantic heroine, so the writers wisely chose not to repeat that mistake. Also, Macy is a character who never appears in costume, and is in fact the only character who has declined to go to _two_ costume balls. On the other hand, her mother _does_ frequently wear elaborate disguises, so it makes perfect sense for Sally to take over this role in the storyline.
Bridget, why are you wearing an off-the-shoulder top to go to *Copenhagen*? Stephanie even mentioned the weather in the previous episode. Even the wardrobe in this plotline made no sense.
I just commented the same thing! I live a 15 minute train ride away from Copenhagen and that top _immediately_ stood out to me as something I would not wear in February (when this show initially aired).
@@FayeIL I don't, I live in Sweden. But I can see the bridge between Sweden and Denmark from my bedroom window. And if I go down to the beach I can see across the water to Copenhagen.
Ridge is the most selfish one of the bunch Wanting to find out Why Bridgette is leaving us now after everything Thomas has been through. Lol As if she should put her education and the chance of a lifetime on hold to be with his child 😂
In recent episodes I’ve spoken about Massimo’s Mephistophelean properties, in that he showed the ability to manipulate people into doing what he wanted by tapping into feelings or principles that are meaningful to them, and thus was more likely to succeed. While Western society values being a strong persuader, it generally views Mephistophelean skills negatively. This is because the Mephistophelean character represents someone who is *manipulating* someone else rather than having a forthright debate with them; someone who is using a weakness of the other person to lead them toward a desired action. I say all of this because in this episode, it seems to me the show is continuing the steady descent of Stephanie’s character by making her more Mephistophelean. Don’t get me wrong, Stephanie has always plotted to get what she wants. She’s a strong-willed, controlling person, and has ordered around her children, their spouses, and anyone else in her vicinity to get the outcome she thinks is best. It’s no surprise Sally always calls her *Queen* Stephanie. However, those schemes have been forthright, sometimes almost laughably so. She *orders* Brooke to stay away from the men in her family. She *commands* Ridge to marry Taylor. Contrast that with how she treats Bridget. After accomplishing the Copenhagen setup in record time, she then manipulates her into thinking it’s for the best. When she speaks privately to Bridget at the party, she says to her, “Don’t you want to do the right thing, Bridget?” There’s something so sly about the way she says it that it’s almost difficult to watch. She knows “doing the right thing” is just the button to press for Bridget; Bridget who views herself as so unlike Brooke, Bridget who is the *good* one. In that moment, and later when she interrupts CJ to declare “Of course she can’t miss this, it’s such a good opportunity for her!”, it’s the first time I found myself disliking the character of Stephanie. And the sad irony is that going away and getting distance from Ridge and her mother and whole family *would* be good for Bridget. But the way they’re writing this and directing Susan, we do not get the impression Stephanie is concerned with Bridget’s wellbeing. Stephanie seems only concerned with her own protection, and that is not the Stephanie Forrester we all know and love.
Excellent analysis! There is one point, though, which I see differently. Stephanie sending Bridget to Copenhagen actually _is_ perfectly in character, as it closely mirrors one of Stephanie's earliest manipulations on the show - Stephanie's secret arrangement with Bill Spencer to have him give Stephen Logan a job, and then to have Stephen transferred to Paris, as a way to get Beth out of LA and out of Eric's life. The difference Iies not in the manipuIation itself, but in how _skillfully_ Stephanie achieves it. Back in the 80s, Stephanie was clever enough to work entirely by proxy, so that Stephen's transfer couldn't be traced back to her. Here, Stephanie arranges Bridget's scholarship in such an obvious and direct way that Bridget immediately sees through Stephanie and reacts against her manipuIation. The "old" Stephanie wouldn't have _needed_ to persuade Bridget with Mephistophelean reasoning because she would have orchestrated the Copenhagen scholarship in a way to make Bridget _want_ to go, without needing to be persuaded.
In the past Stephanie several time has meant well, tried to protect her loved ones, but had a _tunnel vision_ , not realizing how her actions might still hurt her family, how the rest of the family feels about them. And at these times Stephanie has tried to lead the plot in one direction but lost control/ didn't get the outcome she wanted (but Brooke didn't get that either). -) Stephanie encouraged BRIDGE to reunite ( *_forged letter_* ) and believed it was for the best for everyone, even when Ridge then openly had an affair with his father's wife and the father-son relationship suffered, and when that continued affair later led to Bridget's paternity drama. It then didn't just affect Eric and Ridge and little Eric, but it also affected Thorne and Felicia, who worried about their father, when Eric returned from the business trip and seemed to be totally in love with his wife and happy unaware of the affair but Eric's car accident stalled the reveal and everyone was concerned how Eric really feels and would react to Bridge having an affair and Brooke wanting a divorce. -) In episode 1329 we had Stephanie trying to convince her son Ridge that they have to pay off Brooke and make her leave FC and LA, make her go to Europe to her parents (and to give up her unborn baby for adoption after birth) before Taylor would even find out about the pregnancy and before Brooke could destroy Ridge's marriage. Ridge in that episode has to point out to Stephanie that they don't even know yet if it is his child or his father's (and at that time Brooke was still Eric's wife and Eric still fought for his marriage and his family) and that Ridge might not even like the idea that Brooke gives up that baby for adoption. Brooke did cause drama and grief for all of them, but still neither Eric nor Ridge really wanted to be separated from their kid(s) by an ocean, neither of them wanted to give up their child for adoption. Stephanie during that SL also tried to get Eric to fire Brooke, but again she failed to see that Eric still had not given up on his marriage and refused to fire his wife/ the mother of 1-2 of his children/ the one who had just developed the belief formula.
@@mara4450practically all Stephanie manipulations didn't work out. I have to point out that Brooke and Ridge had already cheated on Eric when she forged the letter. And all the time they didn't get along with her manipulations or suggestions, she was the one right about it and showed them the " I told you " t-shirt. The only time she wasn't right was when she thought she could have Eric back. Edit: I was talking about Bell senior Stephanie not the one that will fake an heart attack or get Brooke ra ped by someone or manipulate only to be mean
@@babs4848 But that lab sex in 1991 definitely didn't led to Bridget's birth in Dec. 1992 and didn't create the following divorce-paternity drama. Stephanie forged that letter because Ridge had backed away again and wanted to honor his father's marriage. I doubt that Eric, Bridget or Rick really feel better if Stephanie explains to them that she only used their son and manipulated him into that affair to destroy his father's marriage, because Brooke and Ridge already had betrayed Eric once before, and Stephanie just wanted to make it happen again faster. The problem here is what T-Shirt is Stephanie wearing? The one, that first excused her actions and that BRIDGE belong together (and so it was okay to break up Eric's/little Eric's family) or the one that she had been right about Brooke not belonging into her family, but Stephanie's actions still contributed to adding another member, Bridget, to that dysfunctional family and the decades of Forrester-Logan drama, marriages and divorces/annulments ?
"Dying once wasn't enough for her?" 😂
So nice to see Gladys again. What a hoot. She's like the fairy godmother of B&B.
_Not_ Brooke rejoicing with Thorne that he got Macy back.
That hug between them was just 🤦♀️.
Yeah, weird. If I were him I’d be staying far away from her.
And not Thorne rejoicing with her... 😐
The two of them either have a memory loss problem, or no shame at all
Shameless! Macy deserves better! Thank you Tricia!
@@galoutlaw8089Macy deserves Deacon and that is who she will get! 😅
Oh my goodness, sally 😂
The best ever
“Taylor became your hero. You wanted to be just like her” wouldn’t the average mother want her daughter be like her? And doesn’t that speaks volumes about the kind of woman you are if you don’t want your daughter to end up like you?
When Brooke said that I chuckled and thought.. Well just another reason for her to h a te Taylor 😂
I wonder what Brooke stans are thinking... those who said Taylor's kids were a mess compared to Brooke's 😂
"Brooke is the star of the show." She doesn't have time to be a mother.
@@galoutlaw8089I’m sure all children want their mother to be a KILLER like Taylor is 😅
@@TriniT21any normal decent person would hate that hypocrite killer 😅
Sally got her answer Trish lives over the garage not with Thorn
Gladys looks like George R R Martin in that disguise. Fitting since the show is going all in on in c e s t with Ridge and Bridget. 🥴
The five stages of anti-grief (or whatever it's called when a loved one returns from the grave), according to Sally Spectra:
1 - "Oh my darling girl..."
2 - "...I never want to see you again!"
3 - Heart attack
4 - Party
5 - Undercover spy mission in drag on behalf of formerly deceased daughter
If it’s a Spectra, the one guarantee is a party will be involved at some point 😂.
If you aren't doing it this way, you aren't doing it the right way 😂
*Gladys reappears*
I have written many times about the parallels between Macy's return and Taylor's 1995 Morocco storyline (see my summary in episode 3971, _The final chapter of Morocco 2. O_ - sort by newest post in order to make the essay visible). Gladys making an appearance in this storyline in another part of this pattern, as it was Taylor's return from the dead that first introduced the Gladys character.
There, Taylor needed a disguise in order to be able to get close to Ridge and observe him with her rivaI Brooke in order to find out what his true feelings were. Here, it is Sally who needs a disguise in order to get close to Thorne and observe him with Macy's (potential) rivaI Tricia in order to find out what Thorne's true feelings are.
Gladys' plot function is identical in both storylines, but while Taylor wore the disguise herself, here it is not Macy but her mother who wears the disguise, which is a logical choice for several reasons. Taylor wearing those disguises turned her into something of a joke, which is not a good look for a romantic heroine, so the writers wisely chose not to repeat that mistake. Also, Macy is a character who never appears in costume, and is in fact the only character who has declined to go to _two_ costume balls. On the other hand, her mother _does_ frequently wear elaborate disguises, so it makes perfect sense for Sally to take over this role in the storyline.
Can’t wait till this Bridge thing is over! It’s disgusting
Bridget, why are you wearing an off-the-shoulder top to go to *Copenhagen*? Stephanie even mentioned the weather in the previous episode. Even the wardrobe in this plotline made no sense.
I just commented the same thing! I live a 15 minute train ride away from Copenhagen and that top _immediately_ stood out to me as something I would not wear in February (when this show initially aired).
@@annieo6527I didn’t know you lived in Denmark! I love that country and enjoyed visits there in the past.
@@FayeIL I don't, I live in Sweden. But I can see the bridge between Sweden and Denmark from my bedroom window. And if I go down to the beach I can see across the water to Copenhagen.
18:30 😂😅🤣 I miss you, Sally!
Taylor sure did have some questionable friends.
First Morgan now Tricia 🤨
Ain't that the truth lol
lol.. don't forget Blake
Brooke occasionally.
@@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763😂
And James.
Ridge is the most selfish one of the bunch
Wanting to find out Why Bridgette is leaving us now after everything Thomas has been through.
Lol
As if she should put her education and the chance of a lifetime on hold to be with his child 😂
Still is till now
I’m beginning to question Taylor’s choice in friends.
It took you a while ….
I began to question Taylor's choice in friends when she became friends with Morgan.
4:40 Brooke really is a Sweetie 🥹
Delusional stans😂
16:24- Brooke says the same thing to Brad.
That’s why she’s his favorite actress and the whole show is centered around her. She’s earned it
In recent episodes I’ve spoken about Massimo’s Mephistophelean properties, in that he showed the ability to manipulate people into doing what he wanted by tapping into feelings or principles that are meaningful to them, and thus was more likely to succeed. While Western society values being a strong persuader, it generally views Mephistophelean skills negatively. This is because the Mephistophelean character represents someone who is *manipulating* someone else rather than having a forthright debate with them; someone who is using a weakness of the other person to lead them toward a desired action.
I say all of this because in this episode, it seems to me the show is continuing the steady descent of Stephanie’s character by making her more Mephistophelean. Don’t get me wrong, Stephanie has always plotted to get what she wants. She’s a strong-willed, controlling person, and has ordered around her children, their spouses, and anyone else in her vicinity to get the outcome she thinks is best. It’s no surprise Sally always calls her *Queen* Stephanie. However, those schemes have been forthright, sometimes almost laughably so. She *orders* Brooke to stay away from the men in her family. She *commands* Ridge to marry Taylor.
Contrast that with how she treats Bridget. After accomplishing the Copenhagen setup in record time, she then manipulates her into thinking it’s for the best. When she speaks privately to Bridget at the party, she says to her, “Don’t you want to do the right thing, Bridget?” There’s something so sly about the way she says it that it’s almost difficult to watch. She knows “doing the right thing” is just the button to press for Bridget; Bridget who views herself as so unlike Brooke, Bridget who is the *good* one. In that moment, and later when she interrupts CJ to declare “Of course she can’t miss this, it’s such a good opportunity for her!”, it’s the first time I found myself disliking the character of Stephanie.
And the sad irony is that going away and getting distance from Ridge and her mother and whole family *would* be good for Bridget. But the way they’re writing this and directing Susan, we do not get the impression Stephanie is concerned with Bridget’s wellbeing. Stephanie seems only concerned with her own protection, and that is not the Stephanie Forrester we all know and love.
Very true hey.
Excellent analysis! There is one point, though, which I see differently. Stephanie sending Bridget to Copenhagen actually _is_ perfectly in character, as it closely mirrors one of Stephanie's earliest manipulations on the show - Stephanie's secret arrangement with Bill Spencer to have him give Stephen Logan a job, and then to have Stephen transferred to Paris, as a way to get Beth out of LA and out of Eric's life.
The difference Iies not in the manipuIation itself, but in how _skillfully_ Stephanie achieves it. Back in the 80s, Stephanie was clever enough to work entirely by proxy, so that Stephen's transfer couldn't be traced back to her. Here, Stephanie arranges Bridget's scholarship in such an obvious and direct way that Bridget immediately sees through Stephanie and reacts against her manipuIation. The "old" Stephanie wouldn't have _needed_ to persuade Bridget with Mephistophelean reasoning because she would have orchestrated the Copenhagen scholarship in a way to make Bridget _want_ to go, without needing to be persuaded.
In the past Stephanie several time has meant well, tried to protect her loved ones, but had a _tunnel vision_ , not realizing how her actions might still hurt her family, how the rest of the family feels about them. And at these times Stephanie has tried to lead the plot in one direction but lost control/ didn't get the outcome she wanted (but Brooke didn't get that either).
-) Stephanie encouraged BRIDGE to reunite ( *_forged letter_* ) and believed it was for the best for everyone, even when Ridge then openly had an affair with his father's wife and the father-son relationship suffered, and when that continued affair later led to Bridget's paternity drama.
It then didn't just affect Eric and Ridge and little Eric, but it also affected Thorne and Felicia, who worried about their father, when Eric returned from the business trip and seemed to be totally in love with his wife and happy unaware of the affair but Eric's car accident stalled the reveal and everyone was concerned how Eric really feels and would react to Bridge having an affair and Brooke wanting a divorce.
-) In episode 1329 we had Stephanie trying to convince her son Ridge that they have to pay off Brooke and make her leave FC and LA, make her go to Europe to her parents (and to give up her unborn baby for adoption after birth) before Taylor would even find out about the pregnancy and before Brooke could destroy Ridge's marriage.
Ridge in that episode has to point out to Stephanie that they don't even know yet if it is his child or his father's (and at that time Brooke was still Eric's wife and Eric still fought for his marriage and his family) and that Ridge might not even like the idea that Brooke gives up that baby for adoption.
Brooke did cause drama and grief for all of them, but still neither Eric nor Ridge really wanted to be separated from their kid(s) by an ocean, neither of them wanted to give up their child for adoption.
Stephanie during that SL also tried to get Eric to fire Brooke, but again she failed to see that Eric still had not given up on his marriage and refused to fire his wife/ the mother of 1-2 of his children/ the one who had just developed the belief formula.
@@mara4450practically all Stephanie manipulations didn't work out. I have to point out that Brooke and Ridge had already cheated on Eric when she forged the letter.
And all the time they didn't get along with her manipulations or suggestions, she was the one right about it and showed them the " I told you " t-shirt.
The only time she wasn't right was when she thought she could have Eric back.
Edit: I was talking about Bell senior Stephanie not the one that will fake an heart attack or get Brooke ra ped by someone or manipulate only to be mean
@@babs4848 But that lab sex in 1991 definitely didn't led to Bridget's birth in Dec. 1992 and didn't create the following divorce-paternity drama. Stephanie forged that letter because Ridge had backed away again and wanted to honor his father's marriage.
I doubt that Eric, Bridget or Rick really feel better if Stephanie explains to them that she only used their son and manipulated him into that affair to destroy his father's marriage, because Brooke and Ridge already had betrayed Eric once before, and Stephanie just wanted to make it happen again faster.
The problem here is what T-Shirt is Stephanie wearing? The one, that first excused her actions and that BRIDGE belong together (and so it was okay to break up Eric's/little Eric's family) or the one that she had been right about Brooke not belonging into her family, but Stephanie's actions still contributed to adding another member, Bridget, to that dysfunctional family and the decades of Forrester-Logan drama, marriages and divorces/annulments ?
February 24-28, 2003 *
HH
4.1/13 (same)
18-49 demo
2.4(-.1)
*Soap Opera Network Ratings archive
An attractive male and female living together while not being intimate is pretty far fetched, if not non existent (regarding exceptions).
Why would Thorne need a roommate anyway, it is not like he cannot afford to live alone?
Wow