Thanks for watching Super Nerds! Seems I have struck a fictional nerve with this one, and so many great comments! *It's totally fine to disagree with me on this* that's all part of it. We don't have the data either way, so leave your nerdiest ideas below. -- kH
12:04 I've met people in college who party until they black out and don't remember the going's on of the party. They do this on a regular basis, but they seem unconcerned with the question of "what was the point of even having that experience in the first place?" Maybe some people simply want the experience even f they can't remember it? 13:09 Then...was the fruit in the garden the key to escaping the gilded cage that is life!?
Because Science kyle what happened to your Nerdist channel were you the found of it or were you taken onboard by them? I must ask because it has gone nowhere since you left.
That's an Opinion i Highly respect. People don't realize the consequence of immortality. Maybe every problem related to it will be solved, but not Existentialism. The true form of life is Death. That is what makes us feel alive and think that our lives were worth it. That is why our lives matter. Having an option to live as much as you like still doesn't change the fact that one day you're gonna want to sleep in the gentle arms of the Abyss of Eternity that is Death. Though Death is kind of a crude and rude word to describe the Gentle Abyss of Eternity.
@@Michalos86 i'm not an Emo though. In case someone decided to stretch and joke about it. I've still got shit to do, and wether i want to live longer then a normal human is highly dependent. It depends. I'm pretty sure you have stuff to do if you want to live a bit more. Or maybe you just want to know how it feels.
@@danielantony1882 I don't believe that there's an Eternity after death. I don't believe that there's anything for you after death. You just go off, like a light bulb. I would like to experience as much as I can till I am alive, but I also believe that, being immortal, there would come a day when I would think, that I saw everything and I would like to have an option to turn my self off. Also I do believe that the knowledge that I can end my (almost) immortal life could help me appreciate all there is to experience in being alive, just that maybe in a slower pace.
i think that even if you could have an imortal body, after a few, billian years all your memories would have long been forgotten... at that point are you really the same person anymore?... in short i think that by its very nature consciousness and imortality are impossible to combine, you would lose yourself more and more as you lived on... our brains can only hold so much information ie names, and events we'v seen/experinced learned of... and after all you ever knew or remenbered has been replaced with newer memories your consciousness is in a way, dead.
Honestly, we can speculate and assume, but unless we actually talk to someone who's lived for 500 yrs or more, we wont actually know if it sucks or not.
the scariest thing ive always thought about immortality is eventually you are going to reach a point where all the stars have burned out and there is no longer any stimulus you can detect, leaving you with only your thoughts, after a while you will think every thought that you can based on your finite experience of the universe, you will run through them over and over in your mind until there are no new thoughts left to think. at some point you will stop thinking and your experience will be indistinguishable from death.
except its worse than death, as you dont really die and you might be feeling pain every moment due to the vacuum of space or something, and since you don't and cant die you miss out on either actually attaining peace atleast not until a very long and painful period passes or you miss out on any possible afterlife or just dying and going straight to non existence which would rid you'd the pain.
Immortality is the curse of the short sighted. And the willfully taken downside of the curious, the explorer, and the historian. Kyle missed a lot of downsides, I have survived injuries that really where lucky to live though, just one was enough to dread the idea of immortality, I have outlived 90% of my friends and 70% of my family including one of my children, that alone is horrific. And my injuries have made remembering my past a little bit hazy same way immortality promises we would all forget everything eventually Its kinda like I get to trial the alpha version of immortality, all the bad sides, non of the living forever. Worst alpha ever, I am definitely asking for a refund and do over. Still. Id take a pill to live forever. Just to see how far I could go, how deep into space, what plants colonized or terraformed. The only real question is why do you want to live forever? To forget everyone, to forget everything good that has ever happened, to lose everything you love and watch everything you did fade to dust?
@@jimandaubz Here's one that never, and I mean never gets discussed. Would it be morally and ethically acceptable to date someone who's 18-whatever first century old if you were anywhere from 180-9,000 years old. Or would it be the equivalent of messing around with a minor?
@@jimandaubz If your immortality is biological, then your children could inherit it, meaning you might not outlive them as an immortal. As for others dying, that's entirely on a case by case basis. Some people get over death very quickly, while others never do. So outliving people may be a downside, but the severity of that downside varies greatly from person to person. As for losing memories, just record things. You have immortality, so you have plenty of time to write out any valuable knowledge you have, or record videos teaching knowledge or skills or anything else you don't want to lose. Wear a body cam as well, and your day to day life is permanently recorded, and you can just take time to edit out the parts that aren't worth saving. Combine that with the fact that the other issues with immortality can be solved with money, which you'd have plenty of time to gather, invest, and build a fortune out of, and I think pretty much any issue immortality poses can be resolved with a bit of effort.
Of course I still want to live forever. Everyone dying? Fuck, you can lose everyone you love today, I have seen people by the age of 23 lose literally all of their loved ones and friends. Is it mortality that was the issue? You advise he should just die? Or you know, live on with their memory? I advise the latter. Secondly, life is full of possibilities, death is.... So final - to quote my fav Tyrion Lannister from ASOIAF. Might you get bored eventually? Sure. you can get bored now too. But I can ensure you of one thing: the amount of experiences to keep you occupied if you are thoughtful enough, will be more than enough to overfill your brain and lose that data anyway, so you won't worry about running out. Even if you then criticize that - life is still better, and now it is increasingly ever more so. If you call it vain to still enjoy something anew you already did - then I also suggest you criticize the futility of all life anywhere, because you just hit the problem with it all as well; but that still doesn't make it not worth it - that is just the view of an annoying nihilist. I definitely want to be an immortal.
Man, I don't think 9,000 years is even close to the amount of time it would take me to get bored with life. This century has seen so much advancement that I wouldn't be able to exhaust the amount of possible experiences -- stories to experience, skills to learn, movies to watch, hobbies to pick up -- before new experiences became available.
Exactly!! More money to make, go around anywhere. If we didn't know we were going to die we'd all love normally without a fear but since we know we are. Everyone fears it. People live without thinking of death too and don't care about it. We live our lives like we're immortal in a way
@@frozensky3838 I'd be very happy with the kind of immortality described in the video. Just not having to deal with the vicissitudes of age would be amazing, not to mention all the things I could experience over the centuries. But to each their own, eh?
Even in the Epic of Gilgamesh when Gilgamesh did find someone who knew the secrets to immortality and could give it, the person told Gilgamesh several times they wouldn't give it. When Gilgamesh threatened to beat the information out of the person they then said, "If you can go one week without sleep I'll make you immortal." Gilgamesh agreed to the challenge but fell asleep after a few days. Gilgamesh was then told, "If you cannot conquer sleep, then what makes you think you can conquer death?"
It's a good lesson. You think going a week without sleep will make you tired? Imagine having your body degrading over millennia but being literally unable to die.
In this story as you are telling it, Gilgamesh can't conquer death because he didn't get the secret for doing that from the person who had it. He didn't get any clever tricks for staying awake for a week either. Was the profound truth in Gilgamesh really that dumb?
@@tim57243I think maybe it's about making him accepting death is necessary, since if you compare being alive with staying awake, then going to sleep is something you would want after a long, long day.
@@ryannguyen8383 it is a false equivalence. Staying alive doesn't have to make you tired. Going to sleep when you can wake up tomorrow and do something then that you care about isn't like going to sleep permanently when you can't do anything tomorrow.
my paternal grandfather died of terminal cancer when he was 81, but by the time he reached that age, he was ready to go for several years. He had a prognosis for at least 5 years had he kept up with treatment, but by the time he was diagnosed, he had seen all of his children grow up, his wife (my grandmother) had passed away 20 years earlier, he had lived at least long enough to see all of his grandchildren at least be born (roughly half had already reached adulthood by the time he died), and most of his old friends and colleagues had already passed away. So at the age of 81, he was clearly ready to go, if a wizard had come along and took away his terminal cancer and gave him eternal life, my grandfather would have cursed said wizard.
Doctor Who dealt with the memory issue in an interesting way. A woman who became immortal had an entire library of journals because she'd lived too long to remember most of it. As she put it, she had an immortal lifespan with a human memory. She'd had whole families in the past that she couldn't remember anymore.
somehow your comment strikes true with the anime Attack on Titan. I think its due to the supernatural power to erase memories but still, very interesting. Would one still categorize their life as one when they know they have written about events they do not recall? Or maybe the individual consciousness will ultimately override their memories, putting them into a place were they are both aware that they have forgotten but also know that they once in fact partook in said activity or event. Perhaps that's what life is now, as i type i could be an infinite being who, due to physical restrictions perceive my existence as a singular phenomena. When really, I am everyone who has ever lived and will live. In that case, I am having a conversation with myself.
@@highplainsdrifter9197 Ashildr is the name of the character and she is recurring. She is introduced in "The Girl who Died" and you next see her in "The Woman who Lived"
I feel like 300 years would be a decent average life span. As it stands life seems to short to do all the things you want to. However, if you lived forever, you'd likely not want to do those things anymore due to apathy. Don't change the overall paradigm of death giving meaning to life, but modify it a bit to give yourself a bit more time.
Ehh if you literally couldn't die eventually the earth dies and you are stuck in an environment with no air and you basically exist in 0 gravity in a state of eternally suffocating.
@@chaosryans again, as an immortal, you would be able to eventually gather loads of capital upon the centuries. Through them you could gain influence and power, and be some kind of Illuminati. You could then make it your goal to give humanity a way out, and push as much as possible for a durable and viable perpetual developpement. Possibly beyond Earth. EDIT : I'm talking about using wealth power and influence to have the human civilisation survive, not only you.
@@meandmetoo8436 money doesn't matter. Humans will eventually die out for sure. Regardless of where they went. Once everyone else is extinct you can do whatever you want or go wherever. But any one mistake and you are going to burn, suffocate, or freeze etc forever. Say you go to mars, an air lock won't last forever so eventually you'll be covered in dust, and your lungs get shredded by all the particles making breathing unbearable. Even on earth just one disaster like a supervolcano eventually going off will ruin our environment. Most of our food choices will be gone, air quality would be gone so you'd be fatigued to where you couldn't move and breathing would be a chore in itself as well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@chaosryans Isn't that assuming that as a biologicaly immortal man you do nothing in that life to ensure space travel? If I had that I would do everything to better every aspect of life around me to ensure my safety.
A few counter points: - If we "solved" mortality, you would not have to see your loved ones die. Simple as that. - If you forget anyway, there is no way that you would ever get bored. I could watch all of RUclips, all TV shows, all movies, play all games (including digital, TTRPGs, boardgames etc.), which is even now an insurmountable task due to new releases, and even if I managed that, I could do it all over again after a 1000 years once I have forgotten everything. - Forgetting isn't that bad. As you pointed out, we already do it all the time. - Having "true immortality" and getting stuck somewhere would just mean that you would have to wait, as there would be in an infinite lifetime a non-zero chance that someone would find and free you. Okay, unless you get stuck in a singularity, but then you would probably have a whole new set of problems (and opportunities). - Same with the "incurable disease". You would be hard pressed to find one that is "compatible" with your immortal state anyways, but here it would also be a matter of time (which you have infinite of) until someone found a cure. I would take all that and probably more to be able to see humanity reach the stars, see history unfold in real time and maybe even see the end. Would be worth it. Yes, I am that curious.
@@javierrodrigueznoguera8611 Even those seem to evaporate. And with the time dilation going on behind the event horizon, you probably won't have to wait that long.
@@paulblart9953 Hey friend. How are you doing and why do you never respond? Lol. Anyways, of course you'll keep finding me. I am really committed to living forever because I really don't ever want to die. Do you?
If I could, would store in Medium where I could easy reload parts I need in momentarily on other side It would surly give knowledge that have to update more once in time.
@@Meson10 that seems too improbable and even if so, I'd just let humanity study me to get a feel for what makes me tick and replicate it. It's not like I'll die so there's no harm in giving that a try
Aidas Baranauskas well if the reason for your immortality is because you’re the AntiChrist then I’m afraid your existence is bad news for humanity. Sure you’re immortal but your existence alone threatens all of humanity
@@EnigmaEnginseer elaborate. The question was on whether I'd be immortal, not on whether I'd magically bring apocalypse by merely existing. What's so antiChrist about helping humanity progress?
The problem with the argument that death is a good thing is that we are mortal. All of our context about life and existence is based around it being finite. The argument that death is better than living forever is an argument where we literally have no frame of reference for immortality. We can make some assumptions, but we have no idea how a single person much less a society would change to accommodate living forever.
At least the "forgetting everything" part solves the "infinity of boredom" part, since you just endlessly, interestedly cycle through re-learning everything that you forgot.
No. Coz what to forget won't be in ur hands. And we can't also imagine how that would be as no one's brain capacity has ran out yet. Just imagine that u forgot to walk.
@@alexc2265 honestly, I never got the boredom argument. Most people really work in one career throughout their entire lives speaking only one language. French by itself took me like 5 years to learn and even then I'm only B2. people really underestimate the proliferation of knowledge and entertainment.
It's kinda like watching a series, anime, movie, etc. and simply rewatching it later thinking "oh hey, what's this?" or "I think I liked this one, but what's it about again?" Infinite. Entertainment.
@@BlitzOfTheReich But you would need an infinite variety in knowledge and entertainment to not get bored at some point in your eternal life, which I don’t think is possible. (Disregarding the memory issue of course)
As a 70 year old, I can attest that immortality is a young person's dream. As we age death becomes more a promise than a threat: we don't have to do this forever.
See that’s only because the quality of life sucks. Of course you want death as you get older, because your body starts failing and it’s gets more painful to keep going.
@@brianlam5847 What do you do when the sun starts to die and there's nowhere to go? And even if you somehow make it to a moon of Saturn where the Red Giant phase of the sun will be just enough to keep you from freezing but not burning, what happens when it compresses into a white dwarf and leave the solar system dark and empty? And even if you manage to leave that behind, what about when the last of the stars in the universe winks out, assuming that cosmic expansion doesn't prevent you from ever arriving at another destination? NOTHING is forever. Not the sun, not the universe, nothing.
That’s the point to never age never get old and weak. It would be nice if there was a serum to inject yourself with, to see the ages of this world evolve.
Perhaps you should take up some hobbies. I recommend BASE jumping, cave diving, and free solo climbing. You could mix it up a bit with some axe catching and chainsaw juggling as well.
I was about to go off on a tangent at around 9:24 about how you could choose when you go quietly into the night but that memory thing is a good point. As someone who has (I would say severe) memory problems it would suck forgetting everything that I wanted to stay alive for. It already sucks forgetting almost everything (except things like names and basic English and that jazz) after a single year XD
@Kou 1 if you get hungry and thirsty then it is because you need food and water, if you are immortal then you don't need food and water so you wont get hungry and thirsty
@Kou 1 Read your own comment that I responded to, it was about being stuck in an underground cave for millennia waiting for the rock to erode, how can that possibly be about a situation where you need food to survive. In that case your response just disregards your first comment and say you wouldn't be stuck since you would be dead.
@Rafael Lopez You watch the video and listen? what if a meteorite crush the planet and you end in the space ,you cant move and only feel cold Forever? how about if aliens invade the planet and they are a lot stronger than you and use it and torture you for invesigations and make you a slave forever? how about if you are only a head forever? or whatever bad situation
@Rafael Lopez not everything is possible so aliens may not be immortal if there is no way to alter the DNA to make that organism immortal without tearing apart the DNA strands because doing that would result in the death of the organism thus making the operation completely pointless
Our experiences in the current age are so far different than that of the average person a hundred years ago. Literally living and experiencing the change of time of the world around you is more than enough to not be bored. Even if i pursued every interest, every hobby, every academic avenue, whatever, those will constantly be changing. Never ending creativity of culture constantly ensure there's new things to explore. And by then there may even be an entire universe to explore. An infinite universe of things to discover. And if I were to die pursuing a passion of mine, whether ten years, a hundred years, or a thousand years from now, I'd be overjoyed to have experienced what i have already and thrilled to go out doing what i love.
All the downsides you describe to immortality are not actually downsides of immortality. They are all part of life, regardless of how long the life lasts. Loss of loved ones, loss of memory, untimely deaths and terminal diseases are all things people can experience numerous times throughout a typical human lifespan. Immortality may increase the total number of times they are experienced throughout a life, but it isn't introducing anything that isn't already there. What should have been considered in greater detail is the positive impacts of immortality. In the video you gloss over "making new friends" and "making a new family", immediately assuming that what has been found couldn't possibly compensate for what has been lost. But with absolutely no insight into the Psychology of Immortality, I think that is a farfetched conclusion. How many of the elderly today, having already lost parents, spouses, siblings, and friends, and that now deal with all the unpleasantness of aging, still find value in living because of their offspring? While that's very small-scale and anecdotal, I think what little we have to go on implies that what we have in the present will weigh heavier than past losses.
Ehh, true but humans will eventually go extinct. Eventually the earth won't be suitable for our species. Once everyone is dead you could engineer whatever you wanted, maybe even clone yourself. But once super volcano erupts, or a meteor strikes you get to live with ash in your lungs skin burning etc. It'll eventually be very unpleasant.
@@chaosryans if you are biologically immortal the chances of surviving that long are almost 0% but if somehow you do then theres always another way out
You are assuming that by the time a super volcano erupts or a meteor strike happens, etc that mankind wouldn't have figured out a way to leave the earth. If we have multiple colonies on multiple planets and then eventually across multiple star systems then in theory humans could exist till the heat death of the universe.
The thing about memory, though, is that even though I can't remember my first birthday, or really clearly remember the majority of my early childhood, those experiences still shape me as a person, and had those experiences been different, I would be different. So, even if I forget the majority of my 9,000 year life in any real detail, it's not like wiping a hard drive, those experiences still shape me as a person. As someone with poor memory to begin with, I think we'll get by just fine. Keep a journal I guess. Also, with the amount the world has changed in the last 9,000 years, I'm sure you could find things to keep yourself busy in the next 9,000, especially if space travel becomes more accessible. Isaac Arthur does some cool stuff about this topic.
Wrath not if its an artificial journal stored on some kind of device or multiple devices all backed up to a so called “cloud” system or other such future means of artificial storage. Maybe everything can eventually be transferred to one book sizes nanocarbon megahardrive weighing no more than a notebook
@@demon6937 it might be better for humanity to have immortality. At onne point we will stop fighting and actually think longer term, like nature preservation and climate changes and take it seriously, because we will realise that all that will now actually affect us directly. Space exploration will get the attention it needs, researchs will get the fund they need, rather than spending on military. With immortality we can actually advance as a race.
The “you’ll watch everyone you love die” argument works just fine when you’re talking about some innate super power, but since we’re going a more scientific route, it breaks down. Everyone your age or younger would be beholden to the same technological advances as you are, and it seems unlikely that any given person will be granted it while someone they care about isn’t. As for anyone older than you… well, statistically you were going to watch them die anyway. The only difference is that now you have infinite time to recover from that loss.
yeah but take in mind this video was with the purpose to make people believe that inmortality is bad and isn't any logical in many points, of course total inmortallity is phisically impossible, and any kind of inmortallity is not achievable in reality, but is good to live more and right now there is a world leading class that is pulling in the oposite direction of achieving it, at least for non billionaries.
i would just link my brain to a indestructable computer so if i wanted to i can recreate the universe in the device if i got bored playing god pretty much untill the next universe is created then i would just have it make a temporary robot body to play around
@@InsertUsernameHere_a That makes no sense. The fact that we bother learning anything knowing we're going to lose it makes less sense than investing in learning knowing you're going to keep it. The fact that you care to entertain this conversation knowing it will mean nothing for you in 100 years shows that you want more time too. IMO it seems like your logic would lead to self-deletion in the present world. Why learn anything if you're going to die? Just skip to the end. You haven't done that so I don't get why you imagine you would want to with an everlasting future.
Same, although I'll admit I hope I'll be able to do a few neat tricks if its the invincible kind. Like for example if the planet blows up and gets eaten by the sun or whatever. Ignore pain/heat. Maybe skip the long time by going into slumber, tune out the feeling of crushing or whisked around. Like do you really want to drift in space and wait in your own thoughts? Hell no, that's a boring time that will definitely drive me mad. I'd at least like to fall into a deep sleep and dream until I wind up on some planet that has some life (hopefully intelligent). And then there's the immense pain one and possible panic one would feel if you couldn't do that stuff. The decompression, the cold, the weightlessness, the inability to control where you go. the heat when you get near a star, the smack of hitting space debris, the burning and falling sensation of plummeting into a planet (along with the smack that goes with it). And don't get me started on the cancer, like just because I'm immortal and invincible, I hope the details of that prevents cancer from being a thing. Or at some point I'd be a sad giant tumor from the space radiation, making me something from Lovecraft's mind given form
Because science: you will probably forget the color of my shirt My brain: forget everything about immortality and remember this shirt until the day we die
Funny enough, this episode's premise is pretty much the entire point of the Highlander TV show from the 90s. Immortals stop aging at whatever point they first died violently - there's a whole episode about an 800 yo villain that had to adapt to being stuck in the body of a 10 yo forever, despite having a mind that kept maturing. In another episode, it's revealed that immortals will get sick and die like we do, but they'll reset to their base level of health once they revive - though they cannot regrow any limbs that are severed. Also, the oldest known immortal is at least 5000 years old, but that's just how far back his memory goes - he could be much older. Pretty much all the immortals spend around 30 years in one identity before moving on to avoid questions, so part of the boredom is alleviated through pursuing and mastering multiple careers, and they've got to worry about non-friendly immortals gunning for their head, but the show definitely makes the point that the older the immortal, the more jaded and cynical they are about the world and their own existence.
@Daniel Appleton To be fair, Doctor Who is a completely different type of fiction. The Highlander TV series takes place in the 90s and before. There's no time travel, aliens or advanced technology. The closest we get to it is the presence of an actual demon/devil in the show's final season - and it practically destroys the protagonist and the world. Yes, it is shown that some immortals are good with money and so they coast off that for centuries. But there's lots of immortals that still hold jobs just to pass the time (the internet barely existed in the 90s), or else because they suck at money management and have never bothered learning to get better. Also, Jack's immortality is hinted at being nearly total - the doctor even calling him an abomination. Whereas in Highlander, if they lose their head they're gone forever. A result of this is that the age of the average immortal in the Highlander universe is ~500yrs, with very few making it to 2000yrs or more. Part of this is also due to the fact that immortals hide their existence from the rest of humanity, and every time an average joe finds out it almost always ends in the immortal in question being looked at as a demon that needs to be killed or experimented on. Hell, the protagonist's own family banished him from his clan when he revived after dying a heroes death. His great-uncle (the protagonist from the films) had the same thing happen to him, and when his GU's mom helped him escape the village, she was burned at the stake.
Yeah I know, I hate when people try to tackle this subject without taking into consideration ALL the future technologies. The number one unnatural cause of death is car accidents, self driving cars will all but eliminate that concern. 9000 years is a long time to upload your mind to a computer. Your friends and family will likely do it too, so if they do die there may be trillions of years in between losing a single loved one. Memories can be vastly improved with future computers. Diseases will be cured. And how could anyone ever just get bored? Etc. etc.
@@richdadsummit7557 It's like the crisis with Saitama from One Punch Man he became so strong no one can challenge him so he's cursed with all encompassing boredom
@@richdadsummit7557 This. The boredom argument is the one that really confuses me. Maybe I'll get "bored" eventually, but not before: Learning every language known (and inventing some new ones) Mastering every skill, ever (and inventing some new ones) Playing every game ever made (and inventing some new ones) Bringing humanity to K-III and beyond (obviously not just me, but I'll be helping) After all this, most of my effort will be devoted to answering Asimov's Last Question.
@@leiffitzsimmonsfrey1272 and even if you did become bored you could just reset your memory and do it all again, potentially even designing a virtual world so that everything you experience is the best possible experience you could get.
Same actually. Even knowing I would eventually probably forget all of the things that were important to me that became trivial since I experienced it so much, even knowing that I would likely eventually die in a non-peaceful normal way, and even knowing that I would eventually experience everything while forgetting something while losing loved ones, I would still take it. The way I see it now is that I would at least be alive and, if I no longer held the sentiment that being alive is better than being dead, I could always choose to go peacefully through the assistance of someone else or society.
All of the ppl on here wanting to be immortal, you do realize you wouldn' t be able to retire in your 50' s or 60' s , you' d be working forever, life is not free.
.....I mean, your age determines that though, then the government gives you your money. At some point you will become a public sensation and get paid by sponsors anyway.
Having finite storage could make getting bored theoretically impossible. Humans have already experienced the process of forgetting and relearning something. Sometimes it’s more fun that the first time around. Because of this, a lot of immortals would likely think about what skills they want to forget and relearn as they could have a totally different experience. Plus since you’d be capable of relearning all of this information at anytime. Is it really forgotten?
@@ThiagoGlady but you see that's not true either. If you forget something and never recall it, it has been fully forgotten. We don't know how they made Roman concrete, it has been fully forgotten in every way
This doesnt take into account that if science can become so advanced we achieve immortality, we might also know how to enhance our memory capacity indefinitely with technology.
The thing is the sentence “until the end of time” has a date, one or the other proposals of how the universe will end is usually enough to still kill what is by any definition immortal, even if you were beyond biological immortality, you’ll still eventually die to conditions that cannot facilitate even your true immortality, when everything becomes informationally isolated, swallowed by an universe sized black hole that will *eventually* evaporate into nothing, or everything collapses in on itself back into a singularity just to bounce back out again, none of those circumstances care what flavor of immortal you are, you will still die, eventually…
I now want Garlic Jr. to come back in DBS and somehow have become as strong as a God of Destruction. He would then transform and be all buffed up, and then meet Broly. "...Re-really? You're not cool I did it first!" Imagine how pissed he'd be though. He spends all that time in the Dead Zone, gets stupid strong, breaks out to go and kill Goku and everyone and oh! Surprise! Goku's just as strong, and guess what? He's got two other Saiyan friends that are just as strong! "I miss the Dead Zone."
@@caramelcreatures5732 Well, Immorality is a totally different issue ;P But if you meant Immortality (I know, Im a shit lol), yeah I agree. But I still think Id like to have the choice of when I die. True immortality is a curse, but selective immortality might be worth checking out.
@@villegzev9651 if your immortal everything you do has a 99% chance you would just have to be standing still and still would have a 50% of everything happening to you
Forgetting things is why I love pictures. Especially pictures that I see for the first time of an event that I was a part of that I had long forgotten. Memories come flooding back, like they were always there in my subconscious. Awesome phenomenon
Bruh shes living in luxury , take other peoples grandparents who lived in rural places , ones that we left behind , for example my grand grand mother lived to 120 years of age , with lots of work all the time , 93 years in comfort is nothing , she will die from boredrum by the time she gets to live a rural life , im presuming she might make it to 100 years
Ari Jappendi this is the only decent argument I’ve found. That the lack of death of loved ones would lead to boredom and nihilism. I personally think that this could be replaced with caring for protecting, and maintaining personal property. Given that will still degrade. It’s possible that in a future with eternal life that theft would become the new murder. I mean imagine living in 2275, and someone steals your oldest belonging a watch that your father gave you.
Not in my brain. I have issues with short term memory, so the shirt's not likely to survive before it can be encoded into long term memory. CURSE YOU KYLE FOR SETTING A CHALLENGE MY SHORT TERM MEMORY CAN'T HANDLE! WHY DO YOU PICK ON ME AND MY DISABILITY!!!
Debunkig negatives: 1. family members grow and expand 2. knowledge and study can concur boredom 3. u can always kill your self 4. U can always forget and makek new memories, brain plasticity helps us even through 100 years of life. 5. u can make your own music, and u will forget music, people go back to old records sometimes 6. u can always cure yourself in the end, u have time to study and cure anything yourself, build anything yourself, achieve anything yourself 7. immortality gives u freedom and control, u can skip time by sleeping, u can change personalities and lives. 8 imaigne a being smart enough to change every molecule of hit body, explore biggest misteries, and be a mouse, plant or a something close to god, and achieve it all using time. Thats Immortality. immortality in the end is Freedom. Everything has a price but given time everything has a solution.
You’d probably have to make a new identity every few decades or something similar, or people could start connecting dots and realize you’re immortal then you’d probably end up in some lab being inhumanly tested on
Also, things like this would be fruitless. As you would come to realise. The catalogue of what you can watch and play cant compare as a measure of time to what you have available. Like if i collected computer consoles, would i ever have a moment of satisfaction knowing i have forever to accomplish my goal of a complete collection.
Harry Fantasia I mean, imagine being able to witness humanity leaving earth, a better understanding of the ocean, watching supernovas, new nebulas, the advancement of technology, maybe actually seeing flying cars and practical self lacing shoes. There’s a lot to experience, even if you don’t remember it all. I’m sure I’ve had a ton of great experiences that I don’t fully remember, it’s not that huge a deal to forget, and it would definitely be worth it to discover things and places that no one else has
Id like to live forever. I could see humans moving to other planets, aliens, going to different galaxies, maybe dimensions, evolving, new species, cyborgs, technologies. It gets me so excited to just think about it. I could tell people about the past...
@@aleksanderzalar1195 THIS! I just don’t want to be alive when the world ends but scientists would probably have super advanced technology by then so they would probably know when it ends so you can like move to a different dimension/planet before earth explodes
@@lichxeam i guess, if humanity technology advanced for about 100-125 years we could have other worlds, like fantasy ones through VR or something, but that also brings up the question: what if we can advance the human brain or atleast countain its information in a machine?
Whilst immortality isnt possible, aemortality is, the form described in the video as prolonged life. If it really gets boring, wait it out, then end it. Thats my plan if it comes to that.
@@radwooah , Ok, in case you want advice... Avoid talking about politics whenever it is unnecessary, it is one of the most divisive topics and enables people to be extremelly agressive. Oh and just to be clear, im not telling you to stop pressenting your political believes, but I am recomending you to stop talking about swj in places where politics are totally uncalled for.
In the Drizzt novels, the elves explain to Drizzt that if he's going to choose to associate with humans, then learn to consider ever century, a lifetime, and passage into every next century, a rebirth. In this way, the Drow life expectancy, which has been canonically demonstrated to reach at least 8000 years, is more bearable, as many of his friends and the woman he loves, are human.
Every time this topic comes up, I think about the psychological difference between a child and an old man and imagine what that progression would look like over hundreds of years. You'll become a kind of person that we really can't wrap our heads around, with a frame of reference we can't imagine. Sure, losing all your loved ones feels like a big deal to us, but losing a toy feels like a big deal to a child. We'll have a completely different set of values, we can't just project our current values across our infinite life span and assume we'll feel terrible the whole time. I think, in the long term, you'd be alright with living forever.
I completely agree, just as an adult has to come to terms with losing money through taxes, while it never becomes nice, it does become normal. An immortal would likely come to terms with watching people die, to the point where it becomes normal. However I think more importantly is the shallow focus on death, the reason we get to know people is to enjoy them, not to ponder their passing. I would happily watch 1000 people die, knowing that I had got to know and love, and be loved in return by those 1000 people.
@@BizlaC Besides, this acts under the assumption that you're the only one who becomes immortal. If you can do it, there's no reason that your friends and loved ones couldn't too. In fact the main issue with being immortal would probably come down to having to somehow sterilize the vast majority of humanity so we don't have the population go through the roof.
See That is the thing. You come to terms with watching people die. Part of the human experience slowly takes back seat and eventually disappears from your mind. Your values rarely change and you become more close minded. You already lived this, you know more and thus know better, you think. Eventually, your life becomes detached from the rest of humanity, unable to relate to those around you. Funny to you is incomprehensible to others. Until finally you are unable to understand how someone finds enjoyment out of these silly like square boxes. You want to fight with guns for fun? You lived through a real war. Mourn the dead? Celebrate you knew them. Except eventually you don't even bother. There is a reason why Campbell wrote a book about the common story beata in popular media. Humans look for patterns. You will too, until ever person you meant is categorized into a pattern and they stop surprising you. No joy in getting to meet new people. You have seen them all. It gets boring meeting your tenth peppy cheerleader. Let alone the hundreds you might eventually meet. Then as your experiences detach you more and more from the rest of humanity, you are left alone. A man 100 generations out of touch, unable to understand how someone finds joy in the current games and bored of the people you meet because they are all the same in one way or another. You have find the deaths of others something normal and mundane. But so is everyone, mundane, samey, and boring.
A version of immortality you discussed was covered in David Tennant's tenure of Doctor Who. The character was immortal but she couldn't remember anymore than a standard lifetime, so she chronicled her life so she could look back at her exploits and what she'd learnt.
Oh wow, that premise reminds me of an episode of Future Man where Josh lives the same life over and over again with slightly different details for 10,000 years, and only noticed the loop because he'd been keeping a detailed journal which proved that after marrying Marilyn Monroe and divorcing her, he then did the same with Jesus, Gandhi, Chuck Norris, etc... 😁
I mean, it sounds like a few of these issues can solve themselves. Having a fainting memeory may become a benefit if your worried about running out of things to experience in this world. You'll simply forget one of the things you experienced and you can do it all over again like it's your first time all over again.
lol, brains definitely aren't humble. I will say that at least the word "possibly" is in that statement; it makes it so that it can be interpreted as being the most complex thing we know of currently.
i would just link my brain to a indestructable computer so if i wanted to i can recreate the universe in the device if i got bored playing god pretty much untill the next universe is created then i would just have it make a temporary robot body to play around
Honestly the biggest issue is that if there is nothing after life, I'll never be back, I'll never see someone I love smile again, I'll never know anything ever again. That's shit is just scary. Not knowing that you are even gone.
True but think of it this way. If you weren't aware of what you were missing in the billions of years before you existed. We can imagine death is something similar. You can't grieve and anguish when you don't exist. Though I understand the prospect of it is somewhat scary, it encourages me not to live my life as reserved as I used to.
@@BrookD.Artist that's the problem lol like everything we all do could be for nothing? I understand we won't know but I don't want to experience nothing life is to good for this all too be chance and there be nothing after
Exactly. Idc about living forever or someday dying.. what i care about is that WHEN you die you won’t even know you’re dead. In the present we can remember our past and hope for the future but when you’re dead , that MIGHT BE it. Different people have different beliefs on what happens after death that gives us hope but we won’t know until it happens and once we know it’ll be too late because we reached “the end.”
@@shuapau Facts. Shit just scares me to lay in bed and think about😂 I don't want there to be nothing after this but it's hard for me to believe In a God as well so I'm stuck in a weird place, I try not to think about it a lot though cause it's gets to my head way too much sometimes. Hey though life is great so im just tryna make money and be happy lol
Mind over matter. When you are bored, you create something. The way technology is expanding, no way you will ever get bored.... Read a book, Take 2 years of your entire life in reading physic books, and build your own space station, take the time to become the smartest person to exist, take time to connect with nature and help it grow, So many thinfs to do Never enough time....
There is something special about 3am. Have you noticed there are quite a few songs that mention people being lonely at 3am? I wonder if those are all because the writers heard the first song that ever said it, or if there is something about 3am that feels like limbo between night and morning, or if the world will end at 3am and our souls know it...
@@Tyy8Far34 You are absolutely disgusting. Keep your nonsense to yourself. I know people use God to cope with our mortality and that's great, but it's not real. So fuck off.
@@jakehocker4659 I will not argue with you for I was taught to keep my temper low. Just trying to tell him that they will help him, if you don't believe in them then don't say anything please. Have a blessed day.
You have all the time to find solutions to these problems. Eventually you will adopt and learn to every situations you will encounter. Ofcourse you will keep evolving and improving. So yes, I sill want that literal immortality.
One of the things that would scare me about true immortality is what would happen to you once the Earth is destroyed. You would just be drifting alone through empty space for eternity.
There is an extreme likelihood that if you were immortal you would have developed a method of space travel prior to said earth being annihilated. Also given an infinite timescale you would eventually either land in the gravity of a black hole, the gravity of a star or gravity of a planet. The first two situations wouldn't really mean much for you given your situation but the last and MUCH more likely of the situations would mean you can effectively start over again.
Surely if people are immortal, we can just travel the stars. With current technology it would take millions of years to reach the nearby stars, but if you're going to live for trillion of years anyway, then who cares?
Oh you'd know. You'd just know so many things you lose yourself in the mix. You are the culmination of all of the people you ever have been in your life, all of the mid steps and trends between them. But memory loss would cause some of those people to die. Also is if just me or does this guy speech obnoxiously fast? Like jesus speaking slowly lets people process what you are saying.
Memory loss is more commonly associated with alzheimers, which is a disease, that affects the aging, but not every old person. If you are an immortal with no alzheimers, then you could retain a vast amount of information, but the brain does have a limited amount of space, depending on the person
@@4rnnr117 we don't really what the odds of developing alzheimers at age 200... though I can't figure out why since living to 200 is such a commen occurence.
To me, the worst part of being immortal wouldn’t be watching the people that you cherish most die; it would be forgetting about them and the impact they had on your life.
If we were able to become immortal we could access memories save them digitalize our brain and we would never forget also we could just alter our genes. Some people have unlimited memory (5 people) and photographic memory (multiple) anyways that was due to a mutation we could copy that and then produce that same mutation in you so you wont forget
Biological immortality doesn't actually require the addition of enteral youth. It's sort of included by default. This is because what we call "aging" or that I call "degenerative aging" is the result of cell death and DNA breakdown specifically BECAUSE we're not immortal. Biological immortality means no cell death or DNA breakdown, so the negative effects simply don't happen. No grey hair, no wrinkles, none of it. At that point your "apparent age" is irrelevant; there would be no biological difference between 25 and 2500. Hell, it is even possible that biological immortality would default into making you YOUNGER with time, as your new undying cells replace the damaged cells from your mortal existence. You'd gradually revert back to the point you completed biological development, but before degenerative aging began...usually some time in the early 20s.
True immortal beings would have unbelievable methods to relieve boredom, perhaps akin to how humans invent games and novelties, but on a much grander scale.
Yeah things like "let me try moving a species to a new location and watch how it evolves for the next hundred thousand years". Like, we already enjoy doing that in theory, so it would be fantastic to see it actually happen. All the anti-immortality people always have the same boring set of arguments that do nothing to convince me I would rather stop existing. "Boo hoo you might get bored" my ass.
@@baval5 😂 I mean there's so much to do a whole goddamn multiverse to explore,boredom is subjective. I wouldn't be fvcking bored with so much to do. 😮💨
@baval5 Agreed. Life isn’t perfect but I still enjoy it. We definitely won’t be bored with all of the influx of new technologies that would be created. It would be so cool and perfect.
@3sixgod36 Same here. With that amount of technology, who could be bored? And if you are bored, there would be so much to do that could help you. I think it’s worth it. I’d take that option/plan in a heartbeat.
Thanks for watching Super Nerds! Seems I have struck a fictional nerve with this one, and so many great comments! *It's totally fine to disagree with me on this* that's all part of it. We don't have the data either way, so leave your nerdiest ideas below. -- kH
12:04 I've met people in college who party until they black out and don't remember the going's on of the party. They do this on a regular basis, but they seem unconcerned with the question of "what was the point of even having that experience in the first place?" Maybe some people simply want the experience even f they can't remember it?
13:09 Then...was the fruit in the garden the key to escaping the gilded cage that is life!?
My will to live? Very funny.
love this episode
@because science What did u say in another language
Because Science kyle what happened to your Nerdist channel were you the found of it or were you taken onboard by them? I must ask because it has gone nowhere since you left.
I don't want to live forever.
I want to live as long as I want.
That's an Opinion i Highly respect. People don't realize the consequence of immortality. Maybe every problem related to it will be solved, but not Existentialism. The true form of life is Death. That is what makes us feel alive and think that our lives were worth it. That is why our lives matter. Having an option to live as much as you like still doesn't change the fact that one day you're gonna want to sleep in the gentle arms of the Abyss of Eternity that is Death. Though Death is kind of a crude and rude word to describe the Gentle Abyss of Eternity.
@@danielantony1882 Well said!
@@Michalos86 i'm not an Emo though. In case someone decided to stretch and joke about it. I've still got shit to do, and wether i want to live longer then a normal human is highly dependent. It depends. I'm pretty sure you have stuff to do if you want to live a bit more. Or maybe you just want to know how it feels.
@@danielantony1882 I don't believe that there's an Eternity after death.
I don't believe that there's anything for you after death. You just go off, like a light bulb.
I would like to experience as much as I can till I am alive, but I also believe that, being immortal, there would come a day when I would think, that I saw everything and I would like to have an option to turn my self off. Also I do believe that the knowledge that I can end my (almost) immortal life could help me appreciate all there is to experience in being alive, just that maybe in a slower pace.
@@Michalos86 True. That's what i was trying to imply.
“Why you don’t want immortality”, says the God of Thunder who’s 1500 years old...
More like he wants heart attack and still doesn't die
More like a god that can leave for long and still doesn't get heart attack
Aidan Rogers I want immortality and I mean I want to be immortal and I want to live with power of immortality forever.
i think that even if you could have an imortal body, after a few, billian years all your memories would have long been forgotten... at that point are you really the same person anymore?... in short i think that by its very nature consciousness and imortality are impossible to combine, you would lose yourself more and more as you lived on... our brains can only hold so much information ie names, and events we'v seen/experinced learned of... and after all you ever knew or remenbered has been replaced with newer memories your consciousness is in a way, dead.
I'm the 222th like and the immature part of me smiled
"Do you really want to live forever?"
I dunno. Let's talk about it after I've lived a few thousand years.
Immortality + eternal youth + serious disease resistance + opt out option is awesome, and any arguments against it really fall flat.
Fast everyday then you are immortal.
even 500 would be pretty nice
Shit I'm trying to stay motivated for normal life
Honestly, we can speculate and assume, but unless we actually talk to someone who's lived for 500 yrs or more, we wont actually know if it sucks or not.
the scariest thing ive always thought about immortality is eventually you are going to reach a point where all the stars have burned out and there is no longer any stimulus you can detect, leaving you with only your thoughts, after a while you will think every thought that you can based on your finite experience of the universe, you will run through them over and over in your mind until there are no new thoughts left to think. at some point you will stop thinking and your experience will be indistinguishable from death.
so eventually he stopped thinking
except its worse than death, as you dont really die and you might be feeling pain every moment due to the vacuum of space or something, and since you don't and cant die you miss out on either actually attaining peace atleast not until a very long and painful period passes or you miss out on any possible afterlife or just dying and going straight to non existence which would rid you'd the pain.
You will never run out of thoughts vecause you will rethink them after you forget.
Which is why over the countless billions of years you work out how to move through/create universes.
@@lukebernie2811 The only thought: Ow
Before watching: I want to live forever.
After watching: I still want to live forever.
Immortality is the curse of the short sighted.
And the willfully taken downside of the curious, the explorer, and the historian.
Kyle missed a lot of downsides, I have survived injuries that really where lucky to live though, just one was enough to dread the idea of immortality, I have outlived 90% of my friends and 70% of my family including one of my children, that alone is horrific.
And my injuries have made remembering my past a little bit hazy same way immortality promises we would all forget everything eventually
Its kinda like I get to trial the alpha version of immortality, all the bad sides, non of the living forever.
Worst alpha ever, I am definitely asking for a refund and do over.
Still. Id take a pill to live forever. Just to see how far I could go, how deep into space, what plants colonized or terraformed.
The only real question is why do you want to live forever?
To forget everyone, to forget everything good that has ever happened, to lose everything you love and watch everything you did fade to dust?
@@jimandaubz Here's one that never, and I mean never gets discussed.
Would it be morally and ethically acceptable to date someone who's 18-whatever first century old if you were anywhere from 180-9,000 years old. Or would it be the equivalent of messing around with a minor?
@@jimandaubz If your immortality is biological, then your children could inherit it, meaning you might not outlive them as an immortal. As for others dying, that's entirely on a case by case basis. Some people get over death very quickly, while others never do. So outliving people may be a downside, but the severity of that downside varies greatly from person to person.
As for losing memories, just record things. You have immortality, so you have plenty of time to write out any valuable knowledge you have, or record videos teaching knowledge or skills or anything else you don't want to lose. Wear a body cam as well, and your day to day life is permanently recorded, and you can just take time to edit out the parts that aren't worth saving.
Combine that with the fact that the other issues with immortality can be solved with money, which you'd have plenty of time to gather, invest, and build a fortune out of, and I think pretty much any issue immortality poses can be resolved with a bit of effort.
Of course I still want to live forever. Everyone dying? Fuck, you can lose everyone you love today, I have seen people by the age of 23 lose literally all of their loved ones and friends. Is it mortality that was the issue? You advise he should just die? Or you know, live on with their memory? I advise the latter. Secondly, life is full of possibilities, death is.... So final - to quote my fav Tyrion Lannister from ASOIAF. Might you get bored eventually? Sure. you can get bored now too. But I can ensure you of one thing: the amount of experiences to keep you occupied if you are thoughtful enough, will be more than enough to overfill your brain and lose that data anyway, so you won't worry about running out. Even if you then criticize that - life is still better, and now it is increasingly ever more so. If you call it vain to still enjoy something anew you already did - then I also suggest you criticize the futility of all life anywhere, because you just hit the problem with it all as well; but that still doesn't make it not worth it - that is just the view of an annoying nihilist.
I definitely want to be an immortal.
@@jimandaubz Whats so bad about being immortal.To outlive people and forget some things isn't a problem
Man, I don't think 9,000 years is even close to the amount of time it would take me to get bored with life. This century has seen so much advancement that I wouldn't be able to exhaust the amount of possible experiences -- stories to experience, skills to learn, movies to watch, hobbies to pick up -- before new experiences became available.
Exactly!! More money to make, go around anywhere. If we didn't know we were going to die we'd all love normally without a fear but since we know we are. Everyone fears it. People live without thinking of death too and don't care about it. We live our lives like we're immortal in a way
Man, I was bored right out of the womb. I would not want immortality ever ever EVER!!
@@frozensky3838 I'd be very happy with the kind of immortality described in the video. Just not having to deal with the vicissitudes of age would be amazing, not to mention all the things I could experience over the centuries. But to each their own, eh?
@@luciddreamer616 are you dreaming?
Wdym bro I already wanna kms 💀
Secretly immortal beings trying to convince us to not achieve immortality, typical
It's TRUE it sucks
😂
Hahha
One interesting fact: Real goal for this species is to keep me alive, so i could rule the universe one day...
Just in case u didnt know...
@@urossestovic6259 machines with AI will kill us first
Even in the Epic of Gilgamesh when Gilgamesh did find someone who knew the secrets to immortality and could give it, the person told Gilgamesh several times they wouldn't give it. When Gilgamesh threatened to beat the information out of the person they then said, "If you can go one week without sleep I'll make you immortal."
Gilgamesh agreed to the challenge but fell asleep after a few days. Gilgamesh was then told, "If you cannot conquer sleep, then what makes you think you can conquer death?"
It's a good lesson. You think going a week without sleep will make you tired? Imagine having your body degrading over millennia but being literally unable to die.
In this story as you are telling it, Gilgamesh can't conquer death because he didn't get the secret for doing that from the person who had it. He didn't get any clever tricks for staying awake for a week either.
Was the profound truth in Gilgamesh really that dumb?
@@tim57243I think maybe it's about making him accepting death is necessary, since if you compare being alive with staying awake, then going to sleep is something you would want after a long, long day.
@@ryannguyen8383 it is a false equivalence. Staying alive doesn't have to make you tired. Going to sleep when you can wake up tomorrow and do something then that you care about isn't like going to sleep permanently when you can't do anything tomorrow.
Imagine TELLING people your age when you're immortal.
Immortal jellyfish: *“It’s rewind time.”*
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Also some turtle can live upto 3000
Doctor: By swallowing this pill, you will be granted biological immortality.
Patient: I'll take it! (immediately chokes to death on pill)
plot twist: its a suppository
@@benhanna93 I would still choke to death with it
That's my luck.
OMG LMAO 😂
@@elorok1232 anal choking
...that's my band name, don't steal.
*20 years ago*
Kyle's grandmother: ...and then they lived happily after forever
Kyle: but here's the thing..
my paternal grandfather died of terminal cancer when he was 81, but by the time he reached that age, he was ready to go for several years. He had a prognosis for at least 5 years had he kept up with treatment, but by the time he was diagnosed, he had seen all of his children grow up, his wife (my grandmother) had passed away 20 years earlier, he had lived at least long enough to see all of his grandchildren at least be born (roughly half had already reached adulthood by the time he died), and most of his old friends and colleagues had already passed away.
So at the age of 81, he was clearly ready to go, if a wizard had come along and took away his terminal cancer and gave him eternal life, my grandfather would have cursed said wizard.
Sure, and that might make sense to some. It just is no reason whatsoever against biological immortality.
60,000 years later
"He was wearing a blue shirt. Wait who was?"
Lol
im more concerned about the marks near his neck
@@hoodedgenius3249 his necklace ?
Its black
Almost Died LoL
Doctor Who dealt with the memory issue in an interesting way. A woman who became immortal had an entire library of journals because she'd lived too long to remember most of it. As she put it, she had an immortal lifespan with a human memory. She'd had whole families in the past that she couldn't remember anymore.
Which episode was that?
@@highplainsdrifter9197 It was the couple episodes in the Capaldi era that Maisie Williams guest starred
somehow your comment strikes true with the anime Attack on Titan. I think its due to the supernatural power to erase memories but still, very interesting. Would one still categorize their life as one when they know they have written about events they do not recall? Or maybe the individual consciousness will ultimately override their memories, putting them into a place were they are both aware that they have forgotten but also know that they once in fact partook in said activity or event. Perhaps that's what life is now, as i type i could be an infinite being who, due to physical restrictions perceive my existence as a singular phenomena. When really, I am everyone who has ever lived and will live. In that case, I am having a conversation with myself.
@@highplainsdrifter9197 Ashildr is the name of the character and she is recurring. She is introduced in "The Girl who Died" and you next see her in "The Woman who Lived"
That's why we have snapchat memories to remember
Kyle - "You will be bored Forever!"
Entertainment industry - "Challenge accepted!"
and thus the immortal man decided to create the entertainment industry
@@BladeMasterIcarus And recreate it over and over and over again.
Lol why do you think RUclips got created.
I am 25 and already bored to death by entertainment industry
Japan : hold my beer
I feel like 300 years would be a decent average life span. As it stands life seems to short to do all the things you want to. However, if you lived forever, you'd likely not want to do those things anymore due to apathy. Don't change the overall paradigm of death giving meaning to life, but modify it a bit to give yourself a bit more time.
If you'll live for 300years.. I pretty sure you will be spending 275yrs of it paying bills and giving money to the government.
Exactly man. 80 is too short and most of us wont make it to 80
If Wolverine taught me anything, it's that immortality is both a blessing and a curse
tell george soros that
@@akridflux6949 didn't he die?
@@guestkid9976 no that was the other jew Kissinger i think
@@guestkid9976 Hes still well alive unfortunately, 7+ heart transplants...
But he died....
“Why you don’t want to be Keanu Reeves”
DemonKing206 he is 50 something years old. And he looks like he’s 32.
I am not worthy to be Keanu
Anne Baskerville is He actually 50 something???.?.!.
ZerØ As th3 numb3r no man is worthy
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"You don't want to live forever."
"Don't I, Kyle? Don't I?"
This video did literally nothing to dissuade me from wanting to have biological immortality.
Ehh if you literally couldn't die eventually the earth dies and you are stuck in an environment with no air and you basically exist in 0 gravity in a state of eternally suffocating.
@@chaosryans again, as an immortal, you would be able to eventually gather loads of capital upon the centuries.
Through them you could gain influence and power, and be some kind of Illuminati.
You could then make it your goal to give humanity a way out, and push as much as possible for a durable and viable perpetual developpement. Possibly beyond Earth.
EDIT :
I'm talking about using wealth power and influence to have the human civilisation survive, not only you.
@@meandmetoo8436 money doesn't matter. Humans will eventually die out for sure. Regardless of where they went. Once everyone else is extinct you can do whatever you want or go wherever. But any one mistake and you are going to burn, suffocate, or freeze etc forever. Say you go to mars, an air lock won't last forever so eventually you'll be covered in dust, and your lungs get shredded by all the particles making breathing unbearable. Even on earth just one disaster like a supervolcano eventually going off will ruin our environment. Most of our food choices will be gone, air quality would be gone so you'd be fatigued to where you couldn't move and breathing would be a chore in itself as well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@chaosryans Isn't that assuming that as a biologicaly immortal man you do nothing in that life to ensure space travel?
If I had that I would do everything to better every aspect of life around me to ensure my safety.
A few counter points:
- If we "solved" mortality, you would not have to see your loved ones die. Simple as that.
- If you forget anyway, there is no way that you would ever get bored. I could watch all of RUclips, all TV shows, all movies, play all games (including digital, TTRPGs, boardgames etc.), which is even now an insurmountable task due to new releases, and even if I managed that, I could do it all over again after a 1000 years once I have forgotten everything.
- Forgetting isn't that bad. As you pointed out, we already do it all the time.
- Having "true immortality" and getting stuck somewhere would just mean that you would have to wait, as there would be in an infinite lifetime a non-zero chance that someone would find and free you. Okay, unless you get stuck in a singularity, but then you would probably have a whole new set of problems (and opportunities).
- Same with the "incurable disease". You would be hard pressed to find one that is "compatible" with your immortal state anyways, but here it would also be a matter of time (which you have infinite of) until someone found a cure.
I would take all that and probably more to be able to see humanity reach the stars, see history unfold in real time and maybe even see the end. Would be worth it. Yes, I am that curious.
I don't think many opportunities would come from getting stuck in a black hole bro
@@javierrodrigueznoguera8611 Even those seem to evaporate. And with the time dilation going on behind the event horizon, you probably won't have to wait that long.
Agreed. Smart points. I’m a bit of a nerd and a scientist so I will definitely itself help fund this and contribute to this.
@@JuanEnriqueFloresJrJuan!!! I keep finding you
@@paulblart9953 Hey friend. How are you doing and why do you never respond? Lol. Anyways, of course you'll keep finding me. I am really committed to living forever because I really don't ever want to die. Do you?
When memory is full, compress memory with winrar.
WinRar trail is forever.
When baby is full compress with deep sea water
If I could, would store in Medium where I could easy reload parts I need in momentarily on other side It would surly give knowledge that have to update more once in time.
LOL
But my free trial ran out :(
@@yep2005 use 7zip
I want a deadpool imortlality so I can regenrate lost limbs and everything else.
U just dont know how to spell do you
Fake Elon Mask i want to be immortal so i can see the ending of probinsyano. Th most longest running show here in the philippines.
@@luka-ke3fs stup bieng meen an go bac to fotrnite kid
@Clemority ' U just dont know how to spell do you
@@luka-ke3fs lmao
“Imortality is everyone Else dying”
The 12/13 docter who
I object. If a nobody like myself could acquire it, then I surely won't be the only one with it
@@Meson10 that seems too improbable and even if so, I'd just let humanity study me to get a feel for what makes me tick and replicate it. It's not like I'll die so there's no harm in giving that a try
Aidas Baranauskas well if the reason for your immortality is because you’re the AntiChrist then I’m afraid your existence is bad news for humanity. Sure you’re immortal but your existence alone threatens all of humanity
@@EnigmaEnginseer elaborate. The question was on whether I'd be immortal, not on whether I'd magically bring apocalypse by merely existing.
What's so antiChrist about helping humanity progress?
Ahh, no, youre not the only one who gets it.
The problem with the argument that death is a good thing is that we are mortal. All of our context about life and existence is based around it being finite. The argument that death is better than living forever is an argument where we literally have no frame of reference for immortality. We can make some assumptions, but we have no idea how a single person much less a society would change to accommodate living forever.
Agreed
9000 years from now, on my death bed,". . .it was a dark blue shirt -gasp-'
also you: wait what was their name? Was it a man or woman?
Mako stop ruining the joke.
Ra’s al Ghul thank you
You should name your channel to killing dreams with science
Great video. Woo Notification squad!
My dream of teleportation is still alive cause of the last sentences he said at the end so HA!
I still want to be immortal
Science denies your dreams. Why? Because science!!!😐
Jorge Mercado As long as eternal youth comes with it, it should be fine.
At least the "forgetting everything" part solves the "infinity of boredom" part, since you just endlessly, interestedly cycle through re-learning everything that you forgot.
And I think at this point there’s so much to learn that information may be being discovered and made faster than it can be learned
No. Coz what to forget won't be in ur hands. And we can't also imagine how that would be as no one's brain capacity has ran out yet. Just imagine that u forgot to walk.
@@alexc2265 honestly, I never got the boredom argument. Most people really work in one career throughout their entire lives speaking only one language. French by itself took me like 5 years to learn and even then I'm only B2. people really underestimate the proliferation of knowledge and entertainment.
It's kinda like watching a series, anime, movie, etc. and simply rewatching it later thinking "oh hey, what's this?" or "I think I liked this one, but what's it about again?" Infinite. Entertainment.
@@BlitzOfTheReich But you would need an infinite variety in knowledge and entertainment to not get bored at some point in your eternal life, which I don’t think is possible. (Disregarding the memory issue of course)
As a 70 year old, I can attest that immortality is a young person's dream. As we age death becomes more a promise than a threat: we don't have to do this forever.
I guess that's why when people would hold a funeral service for the dead, they call it "lay them to rest".
Yes, now imagine living for billions and billions of years and it never ends.
See that’s only because the quality of life sucks. Of course you want death as you get older, because your body starts failing and it’s gets more painful to keep going.
That's because your body is old. If you could be young, healthy and virile for thousands of years you'd take it in a nanosecond.
@@Powerhaus88 sure, but you'd probably get depressed because of all the people that you know keep dying
I acknowledge the major points of you argument. However, I am still unconvinced.
Same
he just wants the Philosopher's stone for himself
A harry Potter and Full metal alchemist reference in one?
Yeah hohenhiem’s story is the reason why you don’t want immortality
Is this a Flash reference?
Yup that's why he's made all these videos about flying, beign invisible, superpowers etc..
I get it lolololol
Instead of being immortal I would rather be in my prime for the rest of my life
AKA the current anti aging movement, in which you will be immortal, and in your prime.
@@brianlam5847 What do you do when the sun starts to die and there's nowhere to go? And even if you somehow make it to a moon of Saturn where the Red Giant phase of the sun will be just enough to keep you from freezing but not burning, what happens when it compresses into a white dwarf and leave the solar system dark and empty? And even if you manage to leave that behind, what about when the last of the stars in the universe winks out, assuming that cosmic expansion doesn't prevent you from ever arriving at another destination? NOTHING is forever. Not the sun, not the universe, nothing.
Your comment is literally "Shine the brightest,not the longest" and it's nice to know someone thinks the same way.
That’s the point to never age never get old and weak. It would be nice if there was a serum to inject yourself with, to see the ages of this world evolve.
Perhaps you should take up some hobbies. I recommend BASE jumping, cave diving, and free solo climbing. You could mix it up a bit with some axe catching and chainsaw juggling as well.
I was about to go off on a tangent at around 9:24 about how you could choose when you go quietly into the night but that memory thing is a good point. As someone who has (I would say severe) memory problems it would suck forgetting everything that I wanted to stay alive for. It already sucks forgetting almost everything (except things like names and basic English and that jazz) after a single year XD
“What if you fell into an abandoned mineshaft”
The cave around you would eventually erode setting you free
Or ir would fall in top of you squashing all your organs
Most problem comes from getting out while still being alive, a race against time.
When you're immortal, time is on your side.
@Kou 1 if you get hungry and thirsty then it is because you need food and water, if you are immortal then you don't need food and water so you wont get hungry and thirsty
yes or the people will build a city on you
@Kou 1 Read your own comment that I responded to, it was about being stuck in an underground cave for millennia waiting for the rock to erode, how can that possibly be about a situation where you need food to survive.
In that case your response just disregards your first comment and say you wouldn't be stuck since you would be dead.
because science: why you don't want to live forever
example: you can die
me: that's not living forever
@Rafael Lopez it gets tiresome. Like, people who get out of jail after being in it for so long aren't comfortable with normal life
@Rafael Lopez You watch the video and listen? what if a meteorite crush the planet and you end in the space ,you cant move and only feel cold Forever? how about if aliens invade the planet and they are a lot stronger than you and use it and torture you for invesigations and make you a slave forever? how about if you are only a head forever? or whatever bad situation
@@frikizona483 There's a difference between immortality and invulnerability..
@Rafael Lopez not everything is possible so aliens may not be immortal if there is no way to alter the DNA to make that organism immortal without tearing apart the DNA strands because doing that would result in the death of the organism thus making the operation completely pointless
@@firepuppies4086 by that logic, people will just get so used to life they wont be comfortable dying
what if we gave a lobster unlimited energy?
lobsterzilla?
Make this a movie
Well ebirah is a mutated lobster,and a Godzilla kaiju
Imagine it! UNLIMITED LOBSTER ENERGY! Harnessed for EVIL!
Jill Delcroix It would become Jordan Peterson
@@andreykravchenko6829 Lol, you dare mock the High Lobsterician Peterson ? Be wary, lest he assumes your gender ;-)
4 years later and I still do. :v
Honestly thinking you should keep up the " *You wouldn't want X superpower* "
Glad i suck at math. My Cells can't divide, so i should be safe.
Underrated comment, haha.
😂😂😂
Long division = ancient magic.
Thanks Calculator in my phone!
Nice
Types of immortality:
1: Doesn't age but can still be killed by other things
2: Doesn't age and can't be killed
3:ghosts
4 dosent age cannot die cannot get hurt cannot suffer damage biological or outside forces
5: An undead zombie/skeleton. 🤣
TheBlackKnight101 I suppose that would fit under the Ghost category, and you could still theoretically kill a zombie.
Ghosts are mortal.
They eventually reincarnate.
NOTHING is permanent.
4. Reincarnation with memories of the prior life.
Our experiences in the current age are so far different than that of the average person a hundred years ago. Literally living and experiencing the change of time of the world around you is more than enough to not be bored. Even if i pursued every interest, every hobby, every academic avenue, whatever, those will constantly be changing. Never ending creativity of culture constantly ensure there's new things to explore. And by then there may even be an entire universe to explore. An infinite universe of things to discover. And if I were to die pursuing a passion of mine, whether ten years, a hundred years, or a thousand years from now, I'd be overjoyed to have experienced what i have already and thrilled to go out doing what i love.
Agreed. I think it’s all worth it too.
I'd still take that option maybe then I could 100 percent Skyrim
George Gibbson not possible 😂😂
Not possible since there would be other immortal people creating new expansion/quest mods for an eternity as well. ;)
Not possible the third reboot would be out while trying to %100 the original one.
Impossible because theres literally an infinite amount of sidequests. Havent you noticed that bandits can be raided again and again?
And then you get a arrow in the knee.....
All the downsides you describe to immortality are not actually downsides of immortality. They are all part of life, regardless of how long the life lasts. Loss of loved ones, loss of memory, untimely deaths and terminal diseases are all things people can experience numerous times throughout a typical human lifespan. Immortality may increase the total number of times they are experienced throughout a life, but it isn't introducing anything that isn't already there.
What should have been considered in greater detail is the positive impacts of immortality. In the video you gloss over "making new friends" and "making a new family", immediately assuming that what has been found couldn't possibly compensate for what has been lost. But with absolutely no insight into the Psychology of Immortality, I think that is a farfetched conclusion. How many of the elderly today, having already lost parents, spouses, siblings, and friends, and that now deal with all the unpleasantness of aging, still find value in living because of their offspring? While that's very small-scale and anecdotal, I think what little we have to go on implies that what we have in the present will weigh heavier than past losses.
Thumbs up for writing what i'm thinking :)
This guy got it, finally
Ehh, true but humans will eventually go extinct. Eventually the earth won't be suitable for our species. Once everyone is dead you could engineer whatever you wanted, maybe even clone yourself. But once super volcano erupts, or a meteor strikes you get to live with ash in your lungs skin burning etc. It'll eventually be very unpleasant.
@@chaosryans if you are biologically immortal the chances of surviving that long are almost 0% but if somehow you do then theres always another way out
You are assuming that by the time a super volcano erupts or a meteor strike happens, etc that mankind wouldn't have figured out a way to leave the earth. If we have multiple colonies on multiple planets and then eventually across multiple star systems then in theory humans could exist till the heat death of the universe.
The thing about memory, though, is that even though I can't remember my first birthday, or really clearly remember the majority of my early childhood, those experiences still shape me as a person, and had those experiences been different, I would be different. So, even if I forget the majority of my 9,000 year life in any real detail, it's not like wiping a hard drive, those experiences still shape me as a person. As someone with poor memory to begin with, I think we'll get by just fine. Keep a journal I guess.
Also, with the amount the world has changed in the last 9,000 years, I'm sure you could find things to keep yourself busy in the next 9,000, especially if space travel becomes more accessible. Isaac Arthur does some cool stuff about this topic.
Or in those years we might be able to find a way to artificially extend our memory.
You do realise if you used 1 piece of paper everyday for that 9,000 years, you'd use 3,285,000 pieces of paper?
Wrath not if its an artificial journal stored on some kind of device or multiple devices all backed up to a so called “cloud” system or other such future means of artificial storage. Maybe everything can eventually be transferred to one book sizes nanocarbon megahardrive weighing no more than a notebook
Reminds me of Me from Doctor Who
I'd still take it, forgetting everything crosses out the problem of boredom
You're just afraid of the unknown. I would gladly live forever, thank you.
Same, if I had the chance to become immortal for all of eternity I’m sure as hell going to accept that offer no matter the disadvantages.
I'd rather live forever than be unconscious forever
Same here. Especially since I won’t be the only one.
Everyone: "I'd still want immortality"
Zeref: "..."
Westley Bezzant yeah but his way of immortality is a bit worse forcing him to contradict himself a lot and made him messed up in the head
😂
@@allen8655 more like a curse than blessing
zeref need to think: im gonna live forever
...and then he died peacefully
@@demon6937 it might be better for humanity to have immortality. At onne point we will stop fighting and actually think longer term, like nature preservation and climate changes and take it seriously, because we will realise that all that will now actually affect us directly. Space exploration will get the attention it needs, researchs will get the fund they need, rather than spending on military. With immortality we can actually advance as a race.
The “you’ll watch everyone you love die” argument works just fine when you’re talking about some innate super power, but since we’re going a more scientific route, it breaks down. Everyone your age or younger would be beholden to the same technological advances as you are, and it seems unlikely that any given person will be granted it while someone they care about isn’t. As for anyone older than you… well, statistically you were going to watch them die anyway. The only difference is that now you have infinite time to recover from that loss.
yeah but take in mind this video was with the purpose to make people believe that inmortality is bad and isn't any logical in many points, of course total inmortallity is phisically impossible, and any kind of inmortallity is not achievable in reality, but is good to live more and right now there is a world leading class that is pulling in the oposite direction of achieving it, at least for non billionaries.
well you be could extremely rich and only have the money for your own immortality. In that case,you'll still watch everyone die
i would just link my brain to a indestructable computer so if i wanted to i can recreate the universe in the device if i got bored playing god pretty much untill the next universe is created then i would just have it make a temporary robot body to play around
@@InsertUsernameHere_a That makes no sense. The fact that we bother learning anything knowing we're going to lose it makes less sense than investing in learning knowing you're going to keep it. The fact that you care to entertain this conversation knowing it will mean nothing for you in 100 years shows that you want more time too.
IMO it seems like your logic would lead to self-deletion in the present world. Why learn anything if you're going to die? Just skip to the end. You haven't done that so I don't get why you imagine you would want to with an everlasting future.
Yeah I agree
Me: **watches video** nah still want immortality
Same, although I'll admit I hope I'll be able to do a few neat tricks if its the invincible kind. Like for example if the planet blows up and gets eaten by the sun or whatever. Ignore pain/heat. Maybe skip the long time by going into slumber, tune out the feeling of crushing or whisked around. Like do you really want to drift in space and wait in your own thoughts? Hell no, that's a boring time that will definitely drive me mad. I'd at least like to fall into a deep sleep and dream until I wind up on some planet that has some life (hopefully intelligent). And then there's the immense pain one and possible panic one would feel if you couldn't do that stuff. The decompression, the cold, the weightlessness, the inability to control where you go. the heat when you get near a star, the smack of hitting space debris, the burning and falling sensation of plummeting into a planet (along with the smack that goes with it). And don't get me started on the cancer, like just because I'm immortal and invincible, I hope the details of that prevents cancer from being a thing. Or at some point I'd be a sad giant tumor from the space radiation, making me something from Lovecraft's mind given form
Yup.
Lul me too
@Lycurgus Eh, I doubt my concept of time would be the same as now and bore me after I reach the heat death of the universe.
@Lycurgus I'd still want it
Because science: you will probably forget the color of my shirt
My brain: forget everything about immortality and remember this shirt until the day we die
Funny enough, this episode's premise is pretty much the entire point of the Highlander TV show from the 90s.
Immortals stop aging at whatever point they first died violently - there's a whole episode about an 800 yo villain that had to adapt to being stuck in the body of a 10 yo forever, despite having a mind that kept maturing.
In another episode, it's revealed that immortals will get sick and die like we do, but they'll reset to their base level of health once they revive - though they cannot regrow any limbs that are severed.
Also, the oldest known immortal is at least 5000 years old, but that's just how far back his memory goes - he could be much older.
Pretty much all the immortals spend around 30 years in one identity before moving on to avoid questions, so part of the boredom is alleviated through pursuing and mastering multiple careers, and they've got to worry about non-friendly immortals gunning for their head, but the show definitely makes the point that the older the immortal, the more jaded and cynical they are about the world and their own existence.
@Daniel Appleton To be fair, Doctor Who is a completely different type of fiction.
The Highlander TV series takes place in the 90s and before. There's no time travel, aliens or advanced technology. The closest we get to it is the presence of an actual demon/devil in the show's final season - and it practically destroys the protagonist and the world.
Yes, it is shown that some immortals are good with money and so they coast off that for centuries. But there's lots of immortals that still hold jobs just to pass the time (the internet barely existed in the 90s), or else because they suck at money management and have never bothered learning to get better.
Also, Jack's immortality is hinted at being nearly total - the doctor even calling him an abomination. Whereas in Highlander, if they lose their head they're gone forever.
A result of this is that the age of the average immortal in the Highlander universe is ~500yrs, with very few making it to 2000yrs or more.
Part of this is also due to the fact that immortals hide their existence from the rest of humanity, and every time an average joe finds out it almost always ends in the immortal in question being looked at as a demon that needs to be killed or experimented on.
Hell, the protagonist's own family banished him from his clan when he revived after dying a heroes death. His great-uncle (the protagonist from the films) had the same thing happen to him, and when his GU's mom helped him escape the village, she was burned at the stake.
9000 years would give my plenty of time to figure out how to become invulnerable.
Yeah I know, I hate when people try to tackle this subject without taking into consideration ALL the future technologies.
The number one unnatural cause of death is car accidents, self driving cars will all but eliminate that concern.
9000 years is a long time to upload your mind to a computer. Your friends and family will likely do it too, so if they do die there may be trillions of years in between losing a single loved one.
Memories can be vastly improved with future computers. Diseases will be cured. And how could anyone ever just get bored? Etc. etc.
@@richdadsummit7557 It's like the crisis with Saitama from One Punch Man he became so strong no one can challenge him so he's cursed with all encompassing boredom
@@richdadsummit7557 This. The boredom argument is the one that really confuses me. Maybe I'll get "bored" eventually, but not before:
Learning every language known (and inventing some new ones)
Mastering every skill, ever (and inventing some new ones)
Playing every game ever made (and inventing some new ones)
Bringing humanity to K-III and beyond (obviously not just me, but I'll be helping)
After all this, most of my effort will be devoted to answering Asimov's Last Question.
Become a cyborg with external memory storage.
@@leiffitzsimmonsfrey1272 and even if you did become bored you could just reset your memory and do it all again, potentially even designing a virtual world so that everything you experience is the best possible experience you could get.
9:40
You're wrong. I accept it. Now give me immortality.
Same actually. Even knowing I would eventually probably forget all of the things that were important to me that became trivial since I experienced it so much, even knowing that I would likely eventually die in a non-peaceful normal way, and even knowing that I would eventually experience everything while forgetting something while losing loved ones, I would still take it. The way I see it now is that I would at least be alive and, if I no longer held the sentiment that being alive is better than being dead, I could always choose to go peacefully through the assistance of someone else or society.
I read this as that passed 😂😂😂
I have an elixir in my mtg deck
@ShiroTheSorrow no, because your organs wouldnt deteriorate if you don't age and get no diseases. this video talks mainly about not aging
Same
All of the ppl on here wanting to be immortal, you do realize you wouldn' t be able to retire in your 50' s or 60' s , you' d be working forever, life is not free.
Call me crazy but I’d take that
Sounds awesome
.....I mean, your age determines that though, then the government gives you your money. At some point you will become a public sensation and get paid by sponsors anyway.
0% Survival chance.
Huh. That's a number I can live with.
Wait a minute...
You didn't just- bruh
Nice one
Nice
Having finite storage could make getting bored theoretically impossible. Humans have already experienced the process of forgetting and relearning something. Sometimes it’s more fun that the first time around. Because of this, a lot of immortals would likely think about what skills they want to forget and relearn as they could have a totally different experience. Plus since you’d be capable of relearning all of this information at anytime. Is it really forgotten?
"is it really forgotten?".
Uh if you can't recall something, then yes, it is forgotten.
To relearn something implies you've forgotten how to do it.
@@wyett123
I think he meant "forgotten" in a more broad way. Like, you may forgot stuff but that stuff will never be forgotten
@@ThiagoGlady but you see that's not true either. If you forget something and never recall it, it has been fully forgotten.
We don't know how they made Roman concrete, it has been fully forgotten in every way
@@wyett123
Thats way he said "if you can recall it". If there is no information anymore than yeah, this thing is forgotten.
This doesnt take into account that if science can become so advanced we achieve immortality, we might also know how to enhance our memory capacity indefinitely with technology.
Person: wishes to have abnormal gifts
Because science: makes video on why you don't want that
actual science : wait wait like 20 years
And fails to convince me lol
The thing is the sentence “until the end of time” has a date, one or the other proposals of how the universe will end is usually enough to still kill what is by any definition immortal, even if you were beyond biological immortality, you’ll still eventually die to conditions that cannot facilitate even your true immortality, when everything becomes informationally isolated, swallowed by an universe sized black hole that will *eventually* evaporate into nothing, or everything collapses in on itself back into a singularity just to bounce back out again, none of those circumstances care what flavor of immortal you are, you will still die, eventually…
Jokes are you, so far I'm 100% efficient at being immortal
12:24
"Eh, you get used to it."
- Garlic Jr.
The Dead Zone is actually party central.
Got em!
I now want Garlic Jr. to come back in DBS and somehow have become as strong as a God of Destruction. He would then transform and be all buffed up, and then meet Broly.
"...Re-really? You're not cool I did it first!"
Imagine how pissed he'd be though. He spends all that time in the Dead Zone, gets stupid strong, breaks out to go and kill Goku and everyone and oh! Surprise! Goku's just as strong, and guess what? He's got two other Saiyan friends that are just as strong!
"I miss the Dead Zone."
"All these ningen wanting the power of gods... it's truly the most pathetic form of begging." -An alright Zamasu impression
Ah yes but where is my Buu saga for dbza
I think what people really want isn't immortality, it's the choice of WHEN our mortality kicks in.
I would never wan’t immorality, literally a curse
@@caramelcreatures5732 Well, Immorality is a totally different issue ;P But if you meant Immortality (I know, Im a shit lol), yeah I agree. But I still think Id like to have the choice of when I die. True immortality is a curse, but selective immortality might be worth checking out.
@@shaylet6483 I 100% agree, and yes I meant that not dying is a curse, you are guaranteed to get stuck in a hole with no one to help you
@@caramelcreatures5732 How is that guaranteed to happen?
@@villegzev9651 if your immortal everything you do has a 99% chance you would just have to be standing still and still would have a 50% of everything happening to you
Forgetting things is why I love pictures. Especially pictures that I see for the first time of an event that I was a part of that I had long forgotten. Memories come flooding back, like they were always there in my subconscious. Awesome phenomenon
Who else started hyperfocusing on Kyle's shirt when he said you'd forget the colour of it?
That information is saved for sure
A true troll would change shirts every time he switched screens
That shirt color is engraved in my brain now and I don't want that useless information occupying storage space! DAMN U, KYLE!
i remember it's green!
I had to watch the video twice because I couldn't store any information after that...
“Why you don’t want immortality “ says queen Elizabeth who is 93 years old and is still in perfect health
Looks the same as she did in 1975
She has the the the fountain youth
Bruh shes living in luxury , take other peoples grandparents who lived in rural places , ones that we left behind , for example my grand grand mother lived to 120 years of age , with lots of work all the time , 93 years in comfort is nothing , she will die from boredrum by the time she gets to live a rural life , im presuming she might make it to 100 years
Ari Jappendi this is the only decent argument I’ve found. That the lack of death of loved ones would lead to boredom and nihilism. I personally think that this could be replaced with caring for protecting, and maintaining personal property. Given that will still degrade. It’s possible that in a future with eternal life that theft would become the new murder. I mean imagine living in 2275, and someone steals your oldest belonging a watch that your father gave you.
Living in luxury with the best health care and never doing a day's work in your life = longevity
Kyle's dark blue shirt will live forever now.
damn it Kyle!
Not in my brain. I have issues with short term memory, so the shirt's not likely to survive before it can be encoded into long term memory. CURSE YOU KYLE FOR SETTING A CHALLENGE MY SHORT TERM MEMORY CAN'T HANDLE! WHY DO YOU PICK ON ME AND MY DISABILITY!!!
@@jackielinde7568 so now that u think about it wouldnt it be processed and slowly but surly get into ur longterm memory
@@Sejiko You'd think the same for spelling words, but sadly that didn't take either. (Yes, I rely heavily on spellcheck.)
But what shade of dark blue?
Debunkig negatives:
1. family members grow and expand
2. knowledge and study can concur boredom
3. u can always kill your self
4. U can always forget and makek new memories, brain plasticity helps us even through 100 years of life.
5. u can make your own music, and u will forget music, people go back to old records sometimes
6. u can always cure yourself in the end, u have time to study and cure anything yourself, build anything yourself, achieve anything yourself
7. immortality gives u freedom and control, u can skip time by sleeping, u can change personalities and lives.
8 imaigne a being smart enough to change every molecule of hit body, explore biggest misteries, and be a mouse, plant or a something close to god, and achieve it all using time. Thats Immortality.
immortality in the end is Freedom. Everything has a price but given time everything has a solution.
These points are good, but I’d get to watch all future anime and play all future games.
You’d probably have to make a new identity every few decades or something similar, or people could start connecting dots and realize you’re immortal then you’d probably end up in some lab being inhumanly tested on
Also, things like this would be fruitless. As you would come to realise. The catalogue of what you can watch and play cant compare as a measure of time to what you have available.
Like if i collected computer consoles, would i ever have a moment of satisfaction knowing i have forever to accomplish my goal of a complete collection.
Better, you'd live long enough to make new ones yourself.
Thirst of knowledge is infinity, I don't think I would ever get bored in this world with all every knowledge existed to seek for and still growing.
Harry Fantasia I mean, imagine being able to witness humanity leaving earth, a better understanding of the ocean, watching supernovas, new nebulas, the advancement of technology, maybe actually seeing flying cars and practical self lacing shoes. There’s a lot to experience, even if you don’t remember it all. I’m sure I’ve had a ton of great experiences that I don’t fully remember, it’s not that huge a deal to forget, and it would definitely be worth it to discover things and places that no one else has
“Its not immortality, its just 8,000-9,000 years” Sign me up!
Same. I'd much rather live for a few millennia than a century at most.
Id like to live forever. I could see humans moving to other planets, aliens, going to different galaxies, maybe dimensions, evolving, new species, cyborgs, technologies. It gets me so excited to just think about it. I could tell people about the past...
Ikr? 9000 years is more than enough for me.
@@aleksanderzalar1195 THIS! I just don’t want to be alive when the world ends but scientists would probably have super advanced technology by then so they would probably know when it ends so you can like move to a different dimension/planet before earth explodes
@@aleksanderzalar1195 I feel like you would forget the past the longer you live... We can't remember forever...
because science: if you have immortality you lose you will to live
me: not like i have it now anyway
@jediphilosopher
Probably the most naive comment here
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 Yeah i just wanna play Final Fantasy 50
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 not as naive as yours.
@@shayanmoosavi9139
How? Nothing I said is naive
Well, what a waste of inmortality then
"...Immortality would also lead to extreme boredom." Definitely a challenge I would be willing to take if given the opportunity.
You wouldn' t be bored considering you' d have to work, living isn' t free.
"you likely won't remember the colour of my shirt-"
Jokes on you. I tend to listen to you like a podcast. I never knew the colour of your shirt.
It's a bluish purple.
@@justanothernerdydude4391 I think that's called navy blue, but I could be wrong
Well, that is sad. Listening to Because Science misses all of the neat drawings and animated bits.
@@HighGuy92 Nah it's a lightish red.
Krvys lol
I wouldn't want immortality, but a prolonged live like the 9000 years mentioned? Hell yes
The longest I would want to live would be 1000 because 9000 would just be horrendous
@@lichxeam i guess, if humanity technology advanced for about 100-125 years we could have other worlds, like fantasy ones through VR or something, but that also brings up the question: what if we can advance the human brain or atleast countain its information in a machine?
Whilst immortality isnt possible, aemortality is, the form described in the video as prolonged life. If it really gets boring, wait it out, then end it. Thats my plan if it comes to that.
Imagine if any of you guys can meet those technologies that will prolong your life lol
Ude be tired of life if real quick after another 80 years
the more you say "you don't want immortality"
the more I want immortality
Ok then,allow me to rephrase it. you Don't want to be stuck in cosmic solitary confinement when the universe reaches heat death.
Then time will have its last laugh
@@ADAJ342 i just don't want to live in this SJW world forever, people already don't like my for my views
@@radwooah , Ok, in case you want advice...
Avoid talking about politics whenever it is unnecessary, it is one of the most divisive topics and enables people to be extremelly agressive.
Oh and just to be clear, im not telling you to stop pressenting your political believes, but I am recomending you to stop talking about swj in places where politics are totally uncalled for.
As a wise man once said,
"Life without death is not life."
Life is life because of death. To not die, means to not live.
I watched this video 4 years ago but I forgot all of it so now I'm watching it again. See you in another 4 years.
In Lord of the Rings lore, the Elves described death as a “gift” to the race of Men. This video helps explain why.
Came here for this
It is a gift
They can die too, through unnatural causes.
In the Drizzt novels, the elves explain to Drizzt that if he's going to choose to associate with humans, then learn to consider ever century, a lifetime, and passage into every next century, a rebirth.
In this way, the Drow life expectancy, which has been canonically demonstrated to reach at least 8000 years, is more bearable, as many of his friends and the woman he loves, are human.
Further proof Tolkien was a visionary genius.
"Unable to die even though he wishes for it, Kars eventually stops thinking".
Nice jojo reference
I thought I was creative, but then I see that this joke was already made a day ago
Still my favorite JoJo part.
@@SquishyTheTitan ur a true man
I would want to live forever, I want to see what humankind can do and accomplish.
Same here
Every time this topic comes up, I think about the psychological difference between a child and an old man and imagine what that progression would look like over hundreds of years. You'll become a kind of person that we really can't wrap our heads around, with a frame of reference we can't imagine. Sure, losing all your loved ones feels like a big deal to us, but losing a toy feels like a big deal to a child. We'll have a completely different set of values, we can't just project our current values across our infinite life span and assume we'll feel terrible the whole time. I think, in the long term, you'd be alright with living forever.
so in a future your daughter would die and you'd be like: "damn that sucks, oh well" are you even human at that point
I completely agree, just as an adult has to come to terms with losing money through taxes, while it never becomes nice, it does become normal. An immortal would likely come to terms with watching people die, to the point where it becomes normal. However I think more importantly is the shallow focus on death, the reason we get to know people is to enjoy them, not to ponder their passing. I would happily watch 1000 people die, knowing that I had got to know and love, and be loved in return by those 1000 people.
@@BizlaC Besides, this acts under the assumption that you're the only one who becomes immortal. If you can do it, there's no reason that your friends and loved ones couldn't too. In fact the main issue with being immortal would probably come down to having to somehow sterilize the vast majority of humanity so we don't have the population go through the roof.
See
That is the thing. You come to terms with watching people die. Part of the human experience slowly takes back seat and eventually disappears from your mind.
Your values rarely change and you become more close minded. You already lived this, you know more and thus know better, you think.
Eventually, your life becomes detached from the rest of humanity, unable to relate to those around you. Funny to you is incomprehensible to others. Until finally you are unable to understand how someone finds enjoyment out of these silly like square boxes. You want to fight with guns for fun? You lived through a real war.
Mourn the dead? Celebrate you knew them. Except eventually you don't even bother. There is a reason why Campbell wrote a book about the common story beata in popular media. Humans look for patterns. You will too, until ever person you meant is categorized into a pattern and they stop surprising you. No joy in getting to meet new people. You have seen them all. It gets boring meeting your tenth peppy cheerleader. Let alone the hundreds you might eventually meet.
Then as your experiences detach you more and more from the rest of humanity, you are left alone. A man 100 generations out of touch, unable to understand how someone finds joy in the current games and bored of the people you meet because they are all the same in one way or another.
You have find the deaths of others something normal and mundane. But so is everyone, mundane, samey, and boring.
@@pubwvj
Lol
A version of immortality you discussed was covered in David Tennant's tenure of Doctor Who. The character was immortal but she couldn't remember anymore than a standard lifetime, so she chronicled her life so she could look back at her exploits and what she'd learnt.
Are you talking about DoctorDonna or 13?
13 if I recall correctly. The medieval woman who travelled through the ages. Been a while since I saw these episodes.
@@alisondale979 thats awhile after Tennant
I'm going to have to kick back and rewatch those one then as it has been some time, there were some great episodes from that time.
Oh wow, that premise reminds me of an episode of Future Man where Josh lives the same life over and over again with slightly different details for 10,000 years, and only noticed the loop because he'd been keeping a detailed journal which proved that after marrying Marilyn Monroe and divorcing her, he then did the same with Jesus, Gandhi, Chuck Norris, etc... 😁
Loosing your memories?
Now I can understand the hollows in Dark souls
loosing your memories can be considered a bonus.
@@darkshadowsx5949 Right? Especially when he followed it up with being bored cuz you've done everything... Go do stuff you forgot you did. GGEZ.
Wait Bleach: Dark Souls?
The video game?
@@greedydevilsplayground7936 He is referring to Dark Souls, action RPG from 2011 made by From Software. Play it, it is fantastic.
I mean, it sounds like a few of these issues can solve themselves. Having a fainting memeory may become a benefit if your worried about running out of things to experience in this world. You'll simply forget one of the things you experienced and you can do it all over again like it's your first time all over again.
I hear you Kyle... But I'm still going take a couple thousand years. Being technically immortal is good enough for me.
"The human brain is possibly the most complex thing in the entire universe"
-The human brain
It's not exactly a humble organ.
lol, brains definitely aren't humble. I will say that at least the word "possibly" is in that statement; it makes it so that it can be interpreted as being the most complex thing we know of currently.
i would just link my brain to a indestructable computer so if i wanted to i can recreate the universe in the device if i got bored playing god pretty much untill the next universe is created then i would just have it make a temporary robot body to play around
Thats like the meme of obama giving himslef a medal
Honestly the biggest issue is that if there is nothing after life, I'll never be back, I'll never see someone I love smile again, I'll never know anything ever again. That's shit is just scary. Not knowing that you are even gone.
True but think of it this way. If you weren't aware of what you were missing in the billions of years before you existed. We can imagine death is something similar. You can't grieve and anguish when you don't exist. Though I understand the prospect of it is somewhat scary, it encourages me not to live my life as reserved as I used to.
@@BrookD.Artist that's the problem lol like everything we all do could be for nothing? I understand we won't know but I don't want to experience nothing life is to good for this all too be chance and there be nothing after
Exactly. Idc about living forever or someday dying.. what i care about is that WHEN you die you won’t even know you’re dead. In the present we can remember our past and hope for the future but when you’re dead , that MIGHT BE it. Different people have different beliefs on what happens after death that gives us hope but we won’t know until it happens and once we know it’ll be too late because we reached “the end.”
@@shuapau Facts. Shit just scares me to lay in bed and think about😂 I don't want there to be nothing after this but it's hard for me to believe In a God as well so I'm stuck in a weird place, I try not to think about it a lot though cause it's gets to my head way too much sometimes. Hey though life is great so im just tryna make money and be happy lol
@@ktr01 Jesus saves
Mind over matter. When you are bored, you create something. The way technology is expanding, no way you will ever get bored....
Read a book, Take 2 years of your entire life in reading physic books, and build your own space station, take the time to become the smartest person to exist, take time to connect with nature and help it grow,
So many thinfs to do
Never enough time....
if chris hemsworth and keanu reeves had a child:
WTF
Thanks for that now I wish I didn't know
@@Grimnir33 Haw ya doin???
Ya doin good!!!
Your breataking
@@IvarKurgarra pfft- thank you
It's probably been said countless times before, but this guy's energy and enthusiasm is intoxicating. Keep it up!
This is the type of video you watch at 3:00 AM when you gotta get up early the next day..
That morning lol
blackninja797 this is strangely accurate it’s 2:58 AM and I have school at 9... I’m scared now
Its 3 am where i live and i need to travel tomorrow morning
Dude,you're goddamn right!it's actually 3:54 am now in iran!i just finished the video!
There is something special about 3am. Have you noticed there are quite a few songs that mention people being lonely at 3am? I wonder if those are all because the writers heard the first song that ever said it, or if there is something about 3am that feels like limbo between night and morning, or if the world will end at 3am and our souls know it...
Imagine being immortal but you were captured during wartime and were experiencing 'enhanced interrogation' you'd lose your mind
As someone who suffers from very extreme existential death anxiety, the answer is yes... I want to live forever.
As someone who suffers from boredom, me too
Then turn to Your lord and saviour, Jesus Christ and Jehovah God.
@@Tyy8Far34 You are absolutely disgusting. Keep your nonsense to yourself. I know people use God to cope with our mortality and that's great, but it's not real. So fuck off.
@@jakehocker4659 I will not argue with you for I was taught to keep my temper low. Just trying to tell him that they will help him, if you don't believe in them then don't say anything please. Have a blessed day.
The chances of you falling in volcano and stuck there forever is 100 percent
During a test : “ god damn it what the hell was that thing called? “
My brain : Kyle’s shirt was blue in that video.
I legit took notice of shirt color after he said that
LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂
cell ...,.
LOL
*It's the final brain cell*
>You Don’t Want to Live Forever
Of course i do. Keep your sour grapes to yourself, mortal.
Lol yep. What stop you is religion and stupid people
Forwardbackwardpeckingorder OneAboveAll no u
@@cichol5394 no u
@@jamesrohancruz933 no u
@@jerthon1 no u
You have all the time to find solutions to these problems. Eventually you will adopt and learn to every situations you will encounter. Ofcourse you will keep evolving and improving. So yes, I sill want that literal immortality.
One of the things that would scare me about true immortality is what would happen to you once the Earth is destroyed. You would just be drifting alone through empty space for eternity.
There is an extreme likelihood that if you were immortal you would have developed a method of space travel prior to said earth being annihilated. Also given an infinite timescale you would eventually either land in the gravity of a black hole, the gravity of a star or gravity of a planet. The first two situations wouldn't really mean much for you given your situation but the last and MUCH more likely of the situations would mean you can effectively start over again.
Well humanity will have either found a way to escape since or you'll die with the rest of humanity.
Surely if people are immortal, we can just travel the stars. With current technology it would take millions of years to reach the nearby stars, but if you're going to live for trillion of years anyway, then who cares?
Once the earth is destroyed.. dude there gonna have better space ships by then lol just go to a different galaxy dumbass
jump in lava
Jokes on you, I've been perpetually bored for years
Jokes on you I wanted to die last week.
How else do you end up watching RUclips?
I wanted die as well
Imagine having memory loss you wouldn't even know your immortal
ScaredPoPcORN lol so then everyone on the internet is immortal
Its a win win
Oh you'd know. You'd just know so many things you lose yourself in the mix. You are the culmination of all of the people you ever have been in your life, all of the mid steps and trends between them. But memory loss would cause some of those people to die.
Also is if just me or does this guy speech obnoxiously fast? Like jesus speaking slowly lets people process what you are saying.
Memory loss is more commonly associated with alzheimers, which is a disease, that affects the aging, but not every old person. If you are an immortal with no alzheimers, then you could retain a vast amount of information, but the brain does have a limited amount of space, depending on the person
@@4rnnr117 we don't really what the odds of developing alzheimers at age 200... though I can't figure out why since living to 200 is such a commen occurence.
what an amazing video with well thought out concepts, research, and delivery. Well done!
To me, the worst part of being immortal wouldn’t be watching the people that you cherish most die; it would be forgetting about them and the impact they had on your life.
If we were able to become immortal we could access memories save them digitalize our brain and we would never forget also we could just alter our genes. Some people have unlimited memory (5 people) and photographic memory (multiple) anyways that was due to a mutation we could copy that and then produce that same mutation in you so you wont forget
@@genesis8973 I'm a loner, so I wouldn't need to worry about that
I like that one. The loss of memory kinda blows. We would probably also have a finite skillset due to limited memory, which also harms my aspirations.
deep
I agree with you and also the other worst thing about immortality is that you'd still be getting older (either mentally, physically, or both
Who else looked at his shirt when he said "You won't remember the exact color if my shirt"
@Jason Gray
Yes everyone, I bet even blind people sitting with friends asked "What colour shirt IS he wearing?".
I think the real question is who didnt look
Immortality coupled with eternal youth (20-25) I would be all about it
Biological immortality doesn't actually require the addition of enteral youth. It's sort of included by default. This is because what we call "aging" or that I call "degenerative aging" is the result of cell death and DNA breakdown specifically BECAUSE we're not immortal. Biological immortality means no cell death or DNA breakdown, so the negative effects simply don't happen. No grey hair, no wrinkles, none of it. At that point your "apparent age" is irrelevant; there would be no biological difference between 25 and 2500.
Hell, it is even possible that biological immortality would default into making you YOUNGER with time, as your new undying cells replace the damaged cells from your mortal existence. You'd gradually revert back to the point you completed biological development, but before degenerative aging began...usually some time in the early 20s.
True immortal beings would have unbelievable methods to relieve boredom, perhaps akin to how humans invent games and novelties, but on a much grander scale.
Yeah things like "let me try moving a species to a new location and watch how it evolves for the next hundred thousand years". Like, we already enjoy doing that in theory, so it would be fantastic to see it actually happen. All the anti-immortality people always have the same boring set of arguments that do nothing to convince me I would rather stop existing. "Boo hoo you might get bored" my ass.
@@baval5 😂 I mean there's so much to do a whole goddamn multiverse to explore,boredom is subjective.
I wouldn't be fvcking bored with so much to do. 😮💨
Yep. Immortality forever would be good. As long as we’re not bored and having fun who cares right? I think it’s all worth it.
@baval5 Agreed. Life isn’t perfect but I still enjoy it. We definitely won’t be bored with all of the influx of new technologies that would be created. It would be so cool and perfect.
@3sixgod36 Same here. With that amount of technology, who could be bored? And if you are bored, there would be so much to do that could help you. I think it’s worth it. I’d take that option/plan in a heartbeat.