Where Does Lunch Come From? | QI
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This clip is from QI Series L, Episode 3, 'Literature' with Stephen Fry, Alan Davies, Victoria Coren Mitchell, Lloyd Langford and Jack Whitehall.
This is almost one of those "Mom, Dad, please stop fighting" moments. XD
"... it's like two stags..."
Brilliant and yes.
I don't think I've seen Victoria quite so animated!
That’s not a word - it’s a menu!
This is like Thunderdome - Two brainiacs enter. One brainiac leaves. _Then the other one also leaves, but is slightly miffed that they might not have been correct about something._
Susie Dent says Lunch came first. I will believe the world's foremost lexicographer over a program that has to admit it's facts are sometimes wrong.
Yeah, agreed. A lexicologist over an online search any day!
Its
World's foremost?
even quite facty facts are sometimes wrong, and not admitting that would be bad and silly
Reminds me, I need to eat lunch
The word "lunch" came first, before "luncheon."
"Lunch" is believed to have originated in the 1500s as a shortened form of "luncheon." It comes from an earlier word "nuncheon," which referred to a light midday meal.
"Luncheon" appeared later, in the 1650s, as an extended form of "lunch." It was likely created to sound more formal or refined than the shorter "lunch."
So the sequence was:
1. Nuncheon (original term)
2. Lunch (shortened form, 1500s)
3. Luncheon (extended form, 1650s)
Today, "lunch" is the more common, everyday term, while "luncheon" tends to be used for more formal or special midday meals.
The etymology is just uncertain. You can check different sources that give different answers. Nuncheon and lunch are both old terms and both plausibly are the origin of luncheon. But it's worth keeping in mind that "luncheon" was the standard term, greatly preferred over "lunch," for quite a long time. So it's perfectly possible that "luncheon" (or "lunching," "lunchin," etc.) was an extension of "lunch," but then later "lunch" was a clipping of "luncheon."
I don't understand your post - how does lunch come from luncheon if it preceded it?
Wait... You say "lunch" came first, because people shortened it from "luncheon", and "luncheon" didn't appear until a hundred and fifty years later when people extended it back out again...?
Not a fan of Doctor Who by any chance are you? lmao
I can understand the confusion because the Oxford Shorter Dictionary defines 'luncheon' as an extension of lunch in the same way that trunch was extended to truncheon, and yet when going to the definition of 'lunch' we are told that it is an abbreviation of luncheon. Both word origins cannot be correct, but even the editors of the Oxford Shorter feel compelled to have a bet both ways, and hope like heck that no one decides to compare the two entries and notice the inconsistency.
From Mom, of course! At least I've never had a real one since she stopped makin' 'em.
It's neat that even such a common word's etymology is not fully understood, or is at least debatable.
I don't eat lunch, so it doesn't come from anywhere.
The way that everyone let Fry talk but talked / laughed over her is... telling.
(obviously the audience is less at fault than the presenters - but still the points she was making were worth hearing)
OMG, he’s the host/quizmaster and the panelists are there to joke with each other and compete for laughs.
Is the word " mine " as in to dig for underground ore , derived from Minotaur ?
It comes from the cupboard, or Asda, or Just Eat, or, ooohhhhh, wait, the word, not the actual acquiring of food........ :P
So glad they got rid of the extra "eon" bit. I mean, it just took too long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Greggs?
Could go for some Surstromming, right now.
I ain't posh. I eat dinner then tea. No lunch, so who cares?
Were these 2 completely different people, he'd be accused of being sexist for speaking over her and she'd be accused of being homophobic for arguing with him. Instead we get healthy debate the way it should be. I like QI
David definitely rubs off on Victoria
Get out!!!
@@twocvbloke Qué?
@@samuellawrencesbookclub8250 You know very well what you said there, and despite my laughing like a childish so and so at it, it was very naughty!!! :P
@@twocvbloke Sorry, not my intention, glad I made you laugh though. I was referencing the fact that Victoria is acting like David in this clip, and that he has rubbed off on her in that sense. Is this not a common expression?
@@samuellawrencesbookclub8250 It is, but, the phrase "rubbing off" has other connotations too, and him doing it on her, ahem, yeah.............. :P
All this proves is that these TV shows and RUclips shows with their research aren’t always true even though they sound really convincing. They do as much research as they care to do but it can still be disputed.
Back in the days when QI was still watchable