@@ChiefStones it's used for weight/traction. It cant be driven by itself, but it has electric motors on its wheels, like the other locomotives, and gets its electricity from the normal locomotive attached to it.
@@Mrmonkey19888 They really shouldn't be using a slug to pull real weight. It's designed to spread traction, not add power. It's useful for low speed switching operations but it's the wrong thing to use here, and probably the cause of the slip. The front engine's power is cut because the slug draws from it, so they don't have as much concentrated power going into the climb to boot. I'm not sure if slugs have sanders, or if that training loco does, but if one or both lack sanders that's going to contribute, too. Essentially, 2/3 of the power sources chosen for this job aren't really made to do the job at hand.
I was working at a powerhouse in Georgia one time and as a CSX coal train was unloading, it was creeping over the bridge it dumps the coal on and one of the DPUs just went wide open all of the sudden.. it sprayed sparks all over and it wasn’t daylight yet, it was like 5:30 am.. it was pretty impressive.. blew sparks all over the coal pile.. but yet we need a fire watch to weld haha
@@trashrabbit69 I’m 19(countdown to 20= 24 Days) and think my generation is dumb as hell. We b**ch and moan about gender, and who’s got the bigger truck, but older generations don’t live off of daddy’s money or government assistance and actually know what it means to live life.
@@ziggy3237 bro you're a fucking embryo and you're spouting off about this bootstrap bullshit? take a chill pill and look around, grandma and grandpa can't do much to get basic needs anymore. its a lie. we're all struggling.
Someone must have pissed in that engineer's cheerios to sit there with wheelslip for that long. If they look at the wheels and find a defect, then go in the event recorder and see the activity when I'm at the throttle, I'd be out of a job!
Unlike road vehicles it is iron on iron which is what causes the sparks & no doubt this causes serious damage to both the wheels & the rails both of which will have to be renewed.
P.S. That is how I clean my track. Either digitally by coupling some locomotives together, hooking up a train, (Might as well get some revenue.) and setting the engines for different speeds. I also do it in analog by putting five or six locomotives, some with radically different gearing, on a train and let the wheel spinners do their work. It works great, and running your fleet like that really separates the men from the boys. This only works if the "spinning" locomotive(s) do NOT have traction tires, but the other locomotives can have them. ♡ T.E.N.
Maybe its just my crappy monitor on my computer, but were the first 3 cars at 3:22ish locked up? it didnt appear on my computer that the wheels were turning as they were being shoved...
I've only seen that one other time. It wasn't quite that dramatic. It was an old GP 30 on the Ohio Central in Mt Vernon OH. That was before the Genesee & Wyoming days
@@75Bird455 the wheel slip detector is only designed to detect when one wheel is out of sync with the rest of them. If all 4 axles are running at 50mph even if the engine is not, the wheel slip detector thinks they are hauling ass down the track. Hot head engineers have and can spin a wheel without the wheel slip indicator disabling them.
Its a slug. A locomotive that has no engine but the tractive motors and other parts. It takes its power from one of the other locomotives. They are usually weighted down to add some more weight to the consist.
@@corailfan6451 I'm surprised that the company would pony up the cash to buy sand. Seems like a case of "penny wise and pound foolish". Why were the additional power units not on line? Burning too much diesel fuel (as opposed to burning track and wheels in notch 8)?
@@Kings.English1990 Slight mistake, sir. A Slug Unit, has no engine to power it, the electric motors that turn the wheels, are attached to the axles, and they draw their power from either, or both, of the Diesel engines, powering the generator attached to the engine (engines). The Slug (Mate, or Calf), only has dead weight, in place of the engine, so doesn't need a cab, and controls.
@@Kings.English1990 don't think I'm calling you a liar, I'm just a N scale modeler, and I've gotten the info from 'the Diesel Spotter's Guide', and other model Railroading magazines, so I'm glad to help others, while my brain's still working. When I goof, i prefer to be corrected by another, just saying we're Stupid, or lying, doesn't really help, right?
@@dennispersson9466 yeah im glad that you set me straight im a ho scale modeler but im just starting out and i dont know much but i like to learn new things i enjoy the talk to and no lying does not help
Cow and calf units are different. A calf is a functional locomotive just with no cab (alot like a f7B) what they have here is a slug. Slugs do not have their own prime mover just the electrical components that are slaved to the attached locomotive.
@@ericcrockett6396 thank you for the reply! So these slug units contain the electric traction motors and other electricals, but not the diesel prime mover itself, right?
@@fancyyahoo correct slugs contain traction motors and all the electrical components of a locomotive except the diesel engine and generator as those have been removed and usually replaced with concrete blocks for weight to give the slug traction. Reason is the slave locomotive can generate more electricity that its own traction motors can use. Some slugs (like the one here) were built with dynamic brakes although most were not. All slugs are built out of retired locomotives
probably pushing against his cars brakes which aren’t fully released ie. trains BP not fully pumped up….setting a minimum application and pushing is a common shunt move especially when coming onto other cars…. basically when the person on the ground says stop the engineer shuts throttle off/applies more air brake and the train stops very quickly… though you don’t want to be spinning wheels or pushing car brakes on for too long… another reason is they could also be pushing cars with handbrakes on
Wondering if anyone noticed the chairs between the railings on the locomotives. These are breakaway chains most commonly seen on pickup/ trailer units in case the coupler fails. This prevents wild careening of trailing locomotives
It's called a "Slug" RP-E4D. This unit has motors built in for low speed yard pulling. It gets its power from the main locomotive the "mother" to run its traction motors . These do not have prime movers "diesel engine" built in them.
Why does the first responders train need to be so long.? Anyone.!?!. I don't think it is a first responders train.! The tank cars look virtually new. Surely they would be using old, knackered stock.?
@3:25 if the train goes in the opposite direction another mile it would be in City Point. That same line was used during the Civil War to bring in supplies from the North. Northern ships would come down the coast to the Chesapeake Bay up the James River and be offloaded at City Point.
They should scrap DC traction and use AC traction instead. The best system ever because it is smart and can control wheel slip to give the best tractive effort.
Ironic how the first responders fire department engine caught the sleepers on fire.
We call them ties here in America.
They better call out the fire department to out it out,and take pictures with it
Fire department was trying Opposite Day out
@@everettrailfan i dont
It did exactly as advertised.....it "Trained First Responder" at 8:27.
It tackled a massive blaze
So much for the Beer. Next time i am gonna get mike's hard lemonade.
What are the odds of a first responder locomotive starting a fire🤣🤣I love it
Friend: Bet you can’t do a burn out in that locomotive
“Hold my beer”
That was one SICK burnout.
Mustangs, Corvettes, and Hellcats: "Look at us, we can do some pretty awesome burnouts!"
Train: "That's cute. Watch this."
That’s wheel slip
@@Mrmonkey19888 I know
He should take it to Australia.
@@Mrmonkey19888 I'm sure he knows that sherlock. He's just cracking a wise guy joke. Don't be so serious.
@@ziggy3237 summernats in the Geep baby! 😂
Great! Love the yard slug, too!
What does the rail yard slug do?
@@ChiefStones it's used for weight/traction. It cant be driven by itself, but it has electric motors on its wheels, like the other locomotives, and gets its electricity from the normal locomotive attached to it.
So how does the wheels get wheel slip
@@Mrmonkey19888 They really shouldn't be using a slug to pull real weight. It's designed to spread traction, not add power. It's useful for low speed switching operations but it's the wrong thing to use here, and probably the cause of the slip. The front engine's power is cut because the slug draws from it, so they don't have as much concentrated power going into the climb to boot. I'm not sure if slugs have sanders, or if that training loco does, but if one or both lack sanders that's going to contribute, too. Essentially, 2/3 of the power sources chosen for this job aren't really made to do the job at hand.
I was wondering about how strange 937 looks. Is that the rail yard slug?
I was working at a powerhouse in Georgia one time and as a CSX coal train was unloading, it was creeping over the bridge it dumps the coal on and one of the DPUs just went wide open all of the sudden.. it sprayed sparks all over and it wasn’t daylight yet, it was like 5:30 am.. it was pretty impressive.. blew sparks all over the coal pile.. but yet we need a fire watch to weld haha
2:57 Ns: IVE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A LORAM RAIL GRINDER!! :D
"Watch me do a burnout!"
😂 "I always wanted to take place in an Australian Burnout Competition! And now I can!"
Little did we know the engineer was Jeremy Clarkson and as he spun the wheels he was yelling “POOOWWWWWWWEEERR”
I’m thinking 5642 would’ve never slipped that bad if the GP40 and slug weren’t isolated the whole time
Was the 40 isolated? I could hear its turbo in step notch with the 38.
The wheel slip modules are probably shot.
2:57 Atleast we learnt that diesel locomotives are all wheel drive.
Thank you for the time stamp
I love how the rail worker just casually puts the fire out with his water bottle 😂
Being casual and not freaking out is what sets previous generations apart from the crazed idiots of Gen Z.
He's like: oh fire that's normal.
*Splash*
@@ziggy3237 r/im14andthisisdeep
@@trashrabbit69 I’m 19(countdown to 20= 24 Days) and think my generation is dumb as hell. We b**ch and moan about gender, and who’s got the bigger truck, but older generations don’t live off of daddy’s money or government assistance and actually know what it means to live life.
@@ziggy3237 bro you're a fucking embryo and you're spouting off about this bootstrap bullshit? take a chill pill and look around, grandma and grandpa can't do much to get basic needs anymore. its a lie. we're all struggling.
2:58
NoFoLk SoThErN WhATs YoUr FuNcTiOn?????!
Burnin' up the rails, making motors run!
Ns training first responders: I BELIEVE THAT I CAN FIRE
Also Ns training first responders: *does wheel slip*
Engineer: you should stop
Random_BOII77 causing locomotives fire with no sand!!!
NS had a female engineer they fired for wheel slip alot less than that. So where's the justice?
@Colorado Strong picky, picky, picky!!! He apparently missed the space bar. I've made worse mistakes, I guarantee !!!
Is this in Macon, GA? Some of the areas look familiar to me.
jeremy clarkson is in the cab yelling POWER
Great video! You earned a new sub!
holy damn i thought the thumbnail was clickbait. glad i was wrong
Someone must have pissed in that engineer's cheerios to sit there with wheelslip for that long. If they look at the wheels and find a defect, then go in the event recorder and see the activity when I'm at the throttle, I'd be out of a job!
Good for you
Unlike road vehicles it is iron on iron which is what causes the sparks & no doubt this causes serious damage to both the wheels & the rails both of which will have to be renewed.
Isn't that called Irony? The First Responders unit creating a fire ?
Was that a slug between the 2 locos?
What is that in the middle between the two locos? Kind of mini loco?
I guess NS trained it's first responders well.
wait, its the first responders jeep and it almost had first responders put it out, mind blown oml.
I am your 300th sub😎
Yessir, thanks
@@corailfan6451 no prob dude
Shit. So when is the back to the future (train edition) coming out?
Wow....do you recorded this
Can I use this video in my train compilation video credit to you in video will be given
An excellent video. Hello from the Tracy Mountain Railway in Colorado. ♡ T.E.N.
P.S. That is how I clean my track. Either digitally by coupling some locomotives together, hooking up a train, (Might as well get some revenue.) and setting the engines for different speeds. I also do it in analog by putting five or six locomotives, some with radically different gearing, on a train and let the wheel spinners do their work. It works great, and running your fleet like that really separates the men from the boys. This only works if the "spinning" locomotive(s) do NOT have traction tires, but the other locomotives can have them. ♡ T.E.N.
The irony that wheel slip could easily start a big fire, especially if the tracks are bordered by dry leaves or grass.
Maybe its just my crappy monitor on my computer, but were the first 3 cars at 3:22ish locked up? it didnt appear on my computer that the wheels were turning as they were being shoved...
They are turning just look at the flange, you’ll see some mud turning so yeah they were. I kinda thought that too for a moment.
First responder unit setting things in fire…. The irony. Interesting seeing that Doug unit as well. Nice video, thank you for sharing
Well Loram won’t need to be there anytime soon to grind the tracks
I'm guessing those locos don't have traction control (Brightstar etc)?
Dang that is some serious wheel slip!
Just putting a polish on them rails!
I've only seen that one other time. It wasn't quite that dramatic. It was an old GP 30 on the Ohio Central in Mt Vernon OH. That was before the Genesee & Wyoming days
I actually remember seeing that! We chased it through most of the morning
dual purpose locomotive is also a great rail grinder
It says Training First Responders on the locomotive but it's really a Loram rail grinder.
I was wondering why the red part of the loco looked so familiar and I realized it kinda looks like the Burlington locos
This is some good asmr for the soul.
Piss poor engineer. I guess they don’t teach them to use their mirrors these days
Engineer was operating from that engine. Someone pissed in his cheerios that morning and he was having a bad day the rest of the day.
Absolutely not. The wheel slip systems are obviously not working on that unit. When working properly, they will not spin in such a way.
@@75Bird455 the wheel slip detector is only designed to detect when one wheel is out of sync with the rest of them. If all 4 axles are running at 50mph even if the engine is not, the wheel slip detector thinks they are hauling ass down the track. Hot head engineers have and can spin a wheel without the wheel slip indicator disabling them.
06:05 What's that behind the locomotive which says NS 937 RP-E40?
Its a slug. A locomotive that has no engine but the tractive motors and other parts. It takes its power from one of the other locomotives. They are usually weighted down to add some more weight to the consist.
Man they for sure needed one more loco on this switching job
Nice catch of 5642
At first, I thought it was a simulation where the Responder was derailing.
What a great video. Very ironic. Bro your vids get so many views
Did it have sand in the locomotive?
Ya a little bit
@@corailfan6451 I'm surprised that the company would pony up the cash to buy sand. Seems like a case of "penny wise and pound foolish". Why were the additional power units not on line? Burning too much diesel fuel (as opposed to burning track and wheels in notch 8)?
What you said does not make sense
@@rainbowfactoryponyplayz i only asked if the locomotive had sand for traction.
Quick question, what is that kind of locomotive in the middle that doesn’t have a cabin?
Edit please see the comment under this to know what a slug unit is
@@Kings.English1990 Slight mistake, sir. A Slug Unit, has no engine to power it, the electric motors that turn the wheels, are attached to the axles, and they draw their power from either, or both, of the Diesel engines, powering the generator attached to the engine (engines). The Slug (Mate, or Calf), only has dead weight, in place of the engine, so doesn't need a cab, and controls.
@@dennispersson9466 oh ok thanks i should have done my research thanks for correcting me i dont want to lie to anybody
@@Kings.English1990 don't think I'm calling you a liar, I'm just a N scale modeler, and I've gotten the info from 'the Diesel Spotter's Guide', and other model Railroading magazines, so I'm glad to help others, while my brain's still working. When I goof, i prefer to be corrected by another, just saying we're Stupid, or lying, doesn't really help, right?
@@dennispersson9466 yeah im glad that you set me straight im a ho scale modeler but im just starting out and i dont know much but i like to learn new things i enjoy the talk to and no lying does not help
2:57
Hold a cigarette on that😂
What game is it
7:30 What is this unit?
what was on fire by the tracks?
Just brush like weeds, dry leaves, sticks and all that probably
Wooden sleeper ,
oil and grease in the sleeper....
The 3097 and 937 at 9:00 are called cow-calf units in American rail terminology, right?
Cow and calf units are different. A calf is a functional locomotive just with no cab (alot like a f7B) what they have here is a slug. Slugs do not have their own prime mover just the electrical components that are slaved to the attached locomotive.
@@ericcrockett6396 thank you for the reply! So these slug units contain the electric traction motors and other electricals, but not the diesel prime mover itself, right?
@@fancyyahoo correct slugs contain traction motors and all the electrical components of a locomotive except the diesel engine and generator as those have been removed and usually replaced with concrete blocks for weight to give the slug traction. Reason is the slave locomotive can generate more electricity that its own traction motors can use. Some slugs (like the one here) were built with dynamic brakes although most were not. All slugs are built out of retired locomotives
probably pushing against his cars brakes which aren’t fully released ie. trains BP not fully pumped up….setting a minimum application and pushing is a common shunt move especially when coming onto other cars….
basically when the person on the ground says stop the engineer shuts throttle off/applies more air brake and the train stops very quickly…
though you don’t want to be spinning wheels or pushing car brakes on for too long…
another reason is they could also be pushing cars with handbrakes on
What made it do that
Wondering if anyone noticed the chairs between the railings on the locomotives. These are breakaway chains most commonly seen on pickup/ trailer units in case the coupler fails. This prevents wild careening of trailing locomotives
LOL!
lmfao, ummm no, there's no such thing
They're meant as railing in case you were to slip while crossing over.
@@mikemanning5019 I was being sarcastic
Well, whatever issues 5642 had with flat spots, worry no more. Might wanna get some sand.
Wow Nice catch nice road slug🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
Great vídeo
2:58 GAS GAS GAS IM GONNA STEP ON THE GAS
The Sparks from the train made a fire
Wow never thought that ole girl would wheel slip
guy was like: dang, time to go back to starbucks
Well, that's... ironic...
Hi mate! Nice video. Is it ok to feature your clip in a my channel?
Very cool.
GP38s are underpowered as hell, not to mention the 2 axles per bogie don't help either.
What is car between locomotives?
It’s a slug, it has no engine and gets its power from the unit it is coupled to.
@@r_mon_e
I searched "slug" in wikipedia.
Thank you I understand.
"There is no slug in japan" by wiki :)
I got it! Let's burn down the railyard.
I thought the thumbnail was fake 😂😂
The yardworkers most essential safety tool: an old cup of Sprite.
That first responders gp40dash2 never got a wheel slip before now it fired up
It’s a GP38-2
Oh
Thank you for telling me
That aint no wheel slip, thats burntout.
Is there a unedited version that shows the wheel slip and subsequent fire? Disappointed with the video.
Bro looks like I am just trying to stop a runaway train
Wait(x10). So this locomotive with that livery is real?! I THOUGHT IT WAS A FICTIONAL LIVERY FROM TRAIN STATIONS ONLINE GAME!!
Why would you jump around non-chronologically like that? SMH
look at the 937 ns train is so cute
First Responder almost needed first responders
2:57 *loram moment*
those tracks are so sinked in the ground daam
Is that a B unit? I didn't think anyone still used those!
It's called a "slug". It has no engine but has traction motors that receive power from the engines it is coupled to via a special cable.
Bad wheel slip relay?
I guess 2 SD40's is too much to ask for.
0:45 is that just the locomotive for additional power, it has no cabin whatsoever?
It's called a "Slug" RP-E4D. This unit has motors built in for low speed yard pulling. It gets its power from the main locomotive the "mother" to run its traction motors . These do not have prime movers "diesel engine" built in them.
@@2013dak oh wow thanks for the info👍
Nice !!!!
That's one way to fix the flat spots on wheels!
I will attest to that being very true. Did it myself.
4:48 what is this 937
NS 937 is a RD-E4D Slug unit. Check nsdash9.com to get info on NS rostered locomotives.
Why does the first responders train need to be so long.?
Anyone.!?!.
I don't think it is a first responders train.! The tank cars look virtually new. Surely they would be using old, knackered stock.?
The First Responders unit is used as normal road power as well as working the training unit.
Train Sim:
-100000000 points
I find it very ironic that the first responders unit caused a fire. 😆
Wheel slip module not working. That’s a complicated circuit to fix too.
That looks like the Hopewell, Va railyard!
Its either Hopewell or Alexandria
It's Hopewell. I commented before seeing the whole video. I work about a 1/2 mile from there.
@@Dontcensorme898 oh okay. I thought it was Alexandria because of that building in the background.
@3:25 if the train goes in the opposite direction another mile it would be in City Point. That same line was used during the Civil War to bring in supplies from the North. Northern ships would come down the coast to the Chesapeake Bay up the James River and be offloaded at City Point.
What excactly is that first responder locomotive all about? 🤨
that's in Hopewell Virginia I know exactly where that is
Rails on fire
Because not synchronization all engine
You have absolutely no idea what your talking about, so stick to what you know best which is phone scamming.
@@Heavyres1cue you have no any idea about engine
@@Heavyres1cue wow ignorant much?
M K rather rude aren't you? you have idea who the commenter is nor what sort of job they might have.
@@Heavyres1cue Well He's the only one who's right... on both counts!
They should scrap DC traction and use AC traction instead. The best system ever because it is smart and can control wheel slip to give the best tractive effort.
but costs twice as much.
I know dragsters do burnouts for traction but train engines?
For anyone who wants to know why tiers shouldn't last forever.