From Punk Rocker To Priest: How Fr. John Valadez Discovered Orthodoxy
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2024
- Fr. John Valadez is the pastor of St. Timothy Antiochian Orthodox Church in Lompoc, California.
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I am a metalcore/deathcore vocalist. I am also a severe burn victim as a result of a suicide attempt with gasoline 11 years ago, April 8th 2013. I have taken the long road to get here.. But I learned alot along the way. I understand the tragedy of sin and corruption in a very deep way. All I want is to use this experience to help others avoid the pitfalls I fell into. As well as leave a beaten path for others in horrible places to follow out of that space and into the light. God bless you all.
May God continue to bless you with the truth and light.
Peace be with you brother.
Thank you for sharing this. Your story will inspire people❤
God bless you
I am an Eastern European Orthodox and I am amazed to discover so many amazing Orthodox people in the Western World, I cannot believe it. I thought that is just for us, in that corner of Europe 🙏❤
It’s growing day by day in the West. More than is being yet documented
I think the only thing holding the Church back in the west was the language barrier. The first book about orthodoxy to be published in english didn't come until 1968. Now, there are an ever growing number of english sources, and parishioners are spreading orthodoxy exponentially further via word of mouth. I live in the south, the stronghold of the baptist church, and yet my orthodox parish stands at over 300 members, which is more than just about any baptist church I've ever been to. Once someone is presented with the truth and beauty of God's Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, it's impossible to stay apart from it.
It both makes sense and doesn’t. As someone who comes from the West, when it comes to Americans, think of them as the seeds in rocky soil, with little to no roots. They are starving. They are dying. They are far removed from culture, have broken family lives, addiction problems, etc.The “rocks” are more familiar to them, so they return to sin over and over again. It’s hard to find earth when you’ve never known it, your parents have never known it. But you are so thirsty for water, so hungry for food at the same time. But a food that is unknown to you.
Father John communicated with me and sent me icons and things before he was a priest when he was still working at death to the world and helped me become closer to Christ so thank God for you Father John.
Please pray for us. My wife Cathy wants nothing to do with Orthodoxy.
Has she explained why
Has she explained why
Praying for your wife to be revealed the truth ...☦️
she trippin maneeee
You are Orthodox, she wants something to do with you because you are her husband. GLORY TO GOD!
My intro to Orhtodoxy was at a festival where i found the Jesus prayer book.
When I was about 14 or 15 I got heavily into the heavier flavors of rock music. Sleep quickly became a favorite. I believe reading Sleep's wikipedia page might have been the first time I read the words "Eastern Orthodoxy" when it talked about Justin Marler leaving the band.
Flash forward to many years later and after discovering Orthodoxy through a completely different series of events and circumstances I came into the Church. About a year into my Orthodox journey I came across Death to the World and Justin's site "Unseen Warfare" and it all came full circle.
You truly never know God is always at work☦️
That's a wonderful story.
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But He is at work!😂❤🎉
Saint Paisios is my Saint...has interceded for me many times ..☦️
You have no idea about intercession...this means you do not understand scripture or Christ's truth
Greeting from Greece! What a beautiful video! An ex punk rocker full of tattoos transformed into a humble orthodox priest full of grace and knowledge. God bless you Father, may the Holy Trinity guide you into bringing the truth and the peace you are experiencing into more people.
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Genesis:
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image"
Psalm 110:1
The Lord says to my Lord:
Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.
@@LovingtheTruth856Matthew 28:19; "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
Keep coping unitarian. May God have mercy on you.
@@LovingtheTruth856 , heretic
I personally believe that recently St. John of San-Fransisco has found me, not the other way around. I was praying to God for my friends in Ukraine and everything that's going on there.
In a few days I found out about St. John of San-Fransisco and decided to watch a documentary on his life.
Turns out, he was born in a town that is not far away from my hometown (Donetsk region in Ukraine, where the war is going on right now). Then he lived in China (I was also studying Mandarin Chinese and am drawn to their culture). Then he moved to the USA, I moved to Canada and living here right now. He also helped orphans throughout his life, and my heart also always had compassion towards all the kids and I was thinking about helping orphans in some way. I was shocked and immediately understood that it was him, who found me as the answer to my prayer, or God has sent him to me :) Glory to God Almighty!
I am very happy for you. He is my favourite saint too. I went to SF to him seven times. He was always welcoming me on many ways. He even appeared to one Russian lady and told her to take me to her home for his glorification. I love Russian people very much and their saints too. I am sorry for this war but west did it again like they did it to Serbians. Praying for this to stop
I love Death to the World. One of the greatest magazines of all time.
I order many shirts and Zines from that website.
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@@LovingtheTruth856 I understand it sounds a bit provocative if misunderstood, but here the quote from St Isaac the Syrian that explains why they chose this name. I think it's a very clever name for an orthodox zine :
“The world” is the general name for all the passions. When we wish to call the passions by a common name, we call them the world. But when we wish to distinguish them by their special names, we call them passions. The passions are the following: love of riches, desire for possessions, bodily pleasure from which comes sexual passion, love of honor which gives rise to envy, lust for power, arrogance and pride of position, the craving to adorn oneself with luxurious clothes and vain ornaments, the itch for human glory which is a source of rancor and resentment, and physical fear. Where these passions cease to be active, there the world is dead…. Someone has said of the Saints that while alive they were dead; for though living in the flesh, they did not live for the flesh. See for which of these passions you are alive. Then you will know how far you are alive to the world, and how far you are dead to it.”
@@LovingtheTruth856 It refers to the passions. Craving the "world" rather than Christ. A friend of the "world" is no friend of God.
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Is Loving.your neighbor condemning them for loving a magazine that points out how fallen this world is and how one should focus on Christ and proclaim death to the sins and passions to be alive in Christ?
Please. Your judgemental type of attitude is why I left evangelicalism. It's nothing but false happiness. False love and is demonic.
Bishop Gerasim visited me in the hospital once in Dallas. All he did was listen while I poured out my heart of sinfulness and frustration and I’m sure pray for me. I greatly believe his prayers and visit were pivotal in my healing, and acceptance of whatever malady lay before me. That God would either heal me, or not, and either way, Glory to God…For all things. It was an immeasurable blessing for him to have visited.
He seems like quite the man. I emailed him a few days ago, hoping for some guidance on how to explore Orthodoxy after years away from the United Methodist Church, which I was raised in. I hope to hear back soon, especially after hearing things like this. Definitely curious to attend some sort of service at St. Seraphim Cathedral.
@@_angl_ if I was in that area I would have a hard time choosing between St Seraphim and St John the Baptist GOC in HEB. The chant and choir is amazing at St John. And also at Seraphim, but I think the tradition is stronger and probably more, and I use this word probably inaccurately, militant at St Seraphim. I could be wrong and may be wrong for even saying such a thing. I think you’ll find many blessings and growth at Seraphim, but as you walk in the way in any Orthodox Church, you will grow spiritually. May it be blessed. The best thing you can do is attend any and every service possible.
Who would have thought that this amazing father was involved in the punk scene. God's ways are truly incomprehensible. I read many years before from St. Paisios that Orthodoxy will spread over the world and also heard of Fr. Efraim of Arizona a few yeas ago who went from Mount Athos to Arizona. Now i am really amazed watching all these American fathers not only looking like the fathers i was blessed to know here (Europe) but also talking like them. You can truly feel the Holy Spirit through their words. I can definetly recommend to read Isaac from Syria. Amen and Δόξα τω Θεώ (Glory to God)!
ΔΟΞΑ ΣΤΟΝ ΘΕΟ ΑΔΕΛΦΕ ΣΥΝΝΟΝΟΜΑΤΕ GEORGE FROM THESSALONICA GREECE
@@user-fp3fw3zc9i Na'se kale Georgie! Doksa tw Thew!
What a plethora of wisdom in a brief time frame.
Father John speaks with the wisdom of a saint. Truly a remarkable man. I am blessed to know him.
@@EasternChristian333 You know him personally?
@@badnewsbruner I live in Lompoc where his church is. We are Eastern Catholics but we attend St Timothy's quite frequently. He is one of the greatest priests I've ever met and we are grateful to know him.
@@EasternChristian333 That'a awesome!!
You're very blessed.
I'd love to hear Gregorian chant and Orthodox chant...this is the REAL alternative music of nowdays.
I too came from the counterculture, but from jamband scene. I am so grateful to have found Orthodoxy. It truly saved my life from serious drug addiction, and alcoholism. I have always been dead to the world, but now I have found the correct way to live it. Glory to God!
@@LovingtheTruth856 he has found Christ's Church. His Body. The Orthodox Church is that very body.
You are a part of a cult of your own mind and have made an idol out of your own interpretation
Orthodox is pure religion ❤
Greetings from Greece FATHER.
Truly an orthodox speech. Thank you!
@@LovingtheTruth856 A priest is the "type" of Jesus on earth.
Thats why whe call them Father(and his name after if you know him).
When we see a priest on the street(here on Greece)or else and we want to greet him we say "your blessing Father" and he replies "Jesus's".
But hey....im glad you know the Bible!
@@LovingtheTruth856
1 Corinthians 4:15
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet ye have not many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel.
@@LovingtheTruth856 So how do you introduce your biological father? "This is my Mother and my Fa......my Daddy"?
@@LovingtheTruth856 Then why does St Paul call himself our father as well? That is Biblical. Clearly you are misunderstanding what is meant by "call no man Father".
I have now attended my first Orthodox Church service. Glory to God☦️
What a story!!!
Amazing.
Love it.
Glory to God.
Wow factor
Yeah it's the funniest turn of events I grew up in a death metal scene, then a christian death metal scene, then was a passionately vocal atheist for years (lol) and am now a devout Catholic. It really feels like God used my early calls to rebel against the world and prepared me for the last true rebellion which would be a radical all-in faith on God.
Fr. John Valdez was one of the first Orthodox Priests I was exposed to.
I wasn't ready though.
Didn't become Orthodox until about 3 years after.
@@LovingtheTruth856AHAHAHAHAHAH you have no idea brother. I hope God guides you to the only Path. The Orthodox Way.
Really wish I could've gotten ahold of the Death To The World magazine in my youth. That would've been way cool. Be that as it may, shout out to the channel *Harmony* for I think those orthodox RUclipsrs were where I first found out about said aesthetic. This father's story reminds me a bit of my friend Stephan, a reader I met at the local parish. Regardless, thank you for your humble story and God bless you all. 🙏🏻
Учу английский и слушаю Американских Православных батюшек. благодать.
Неплохой подход)
@@LovingtheTruth856 the Orthodox Church is Christ!
@@LovingtheTruth856 I dont think, I KNOW! And those who are talking about "idolatrous cult" got no connection to God and knowledge of the Holy Scripture.
I live in sLo ca. will be visiting soon 🙏🏼
Kind of an inspirational story for youth to get on the right path. 😊
Thanks for the detailed story Fr. John!
Thank you, Father, for your instructive sermon.
@@LovingtheTruth856 then don't watch it
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1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet ye have not many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel.
@@LovingtheTruth856 lol. It does. It says that those that begot you through the Gospel, through baptism, are your spiritual father. For they gave you the second birth. That of Water AND Spirit.
@@LovingtheTruth856 I already was. I was baptized, Chrismated and communed into the Church. I have a spiritual father.
I need some copies of Youth of the Apocalypse and I keep hearing it will be re-released again, but when?!
You can find the pdf for free.
Justin Marler posted on Instagram at the end of last month that it’s about to go into print production.
Awesome ....important piece of history
The Protestant mind can't bear all of this.
Glory to God.
Thank you Father John, for i have get to know Orthodoxy through your work. ❤☦️
Sleep and OM helped introduce me to EOC
This is crazy to hear, wow
Punk being the way to Christianity.
Για κάθε έναν από εμάς ο Κύριος έχει έναν τόπο κι έναν τροπο❤
I was raised in a SBC and on SST Records. Never gave up my faith entirely and have been a Conservative Anglican for years now…but I still love Black Flag, The Minutemen, Husker Du, etc
Having the orthodoxy in you before you even knew what it was! I 💯% related to that!! ☦️☦️☦️
being from Orange County as well this hit on a real real level
AMEN
From eritrea orthodox 🇪🇷 🇪🇷 🇪🇷
@@LovingtheTruth856😂😂😂 brother cmon
I was a punk before orthodoxy but the heroin shooting kind.
I’m glad you’re not anymore
Amin.. Lord lead us...
AMHN ☦️....Kyrie Isouy Xriste Eleison emas tous Amartolous ☦️
DTTW!!
Sa gezim, paqe dhe frymezim na japin shenjtoret! Qortimet e tyre jane te embla! Ata jane Krisht-mbajtes! Dhe kane hyre ne gezimin e parakohshem te Zotit! Shenjtori im eshte Shen Dionisi i Ambrosias
What language do you speak?
Based
13:22 - It's a question I've had, with regards of how to practice humility without become a total doormat who lets people steal from you and walk all over you. It seemed the answer was saying, well if you feel like a doormat you are not humble enough yet. Am I understanding this correctly? So where is the limit, if any? Shall I open the door to the bandits and be cleaned out, and thank them? I am surrounded by people taking advantage of me constantly and I don't know how to deal with it, so I'm desperate for an answer as a simple inquirer. Thanks
I have no answer but that is a tough situation. I wonder if God is trying to relieve you of acquisition of material things, maybe?? Have you heard that story of the monk who came back to his cell on day and found robbers taking stuff out? He then proceeded to help them load up their cart, but they didnt know he was the occupant of that cell. He had such detachment from the world that, apparently, it did not bother him but, instead, gave him great joy to allow them to abscond with his treasures. I wish I could be so free from material stuff. God grant you wisdom.
Keep praying. For help with unbelief. For those who are taking advantage of you. For courage and the perfect love to confront them in a godly manner if that be God's will for you in this sitiation. I also deal with similar problems in life. And I do think God wants me to love others in spite of their trying to harm me. God knows how much I can take in such situations and when I snap on people and confront them in anger I ask God for forgiveness and try to do better next time. Cause there is often a next time, as God must be trying to teach me something cause I seem to keep experiencing such situations. Sorry if my msg is unclear to you I hope it helps in some way. God bless you and have mercy on you and produce much fruit thru you in the name of Jesus christ I pray AMEN. AMEN AMEN
KEEP PRAYING KEEP PRAYING KEEP PRAYING
I am an inquirer, too, so when I recommend this book that I am about to, it isn’t as an Orthdoox, but as an Evangelical/Protestant for many years. I highly recommend the book Boundaries by Cloud and Townsend. After all these years, I still believe it to be solid and good.
I'm currently in a situation with 2 people, who are not friends or family, who ask a lot of me. They're very needy and reach out to me with requests at inconvenient times and have become burdens as a result. I asked my priest for advice, and he said simply that I needed to create boundaries. I need to discuss with them when I am available to help, and whenever they ask for help outside those times, I need to tell them "no".
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Father what High school did you go to?
I’m a metal head and as weird as it is, batushka introduced me to orthodoxy but I wasn’t interested until last year. Yes, I know they are blasphemers
You should probably listen to the Russian band Batushka which is run by priests fed up with the blasphemous polish band.
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☦ Hi. Others will answer you here. I will just say that the Orthodox Church, founded on Pentecost when Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to the Apostles (and others there with them in the upper room), and they went out and preached that Jesus is the Son of God Who came into the world and was crucified for the sake of all of us, and rose from the death, and ascended to Heaven, is the same CHURCH today that it was then, and teaches the same Gospel which St. Peter and the Holy Apostles preached on that Pentecost so long ago. Yes, JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD! And the Church still proclaims it to this very moment. !
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Most churches preach that message. EO isn’t special they just have lots of bells and whistles. How a Christian practices their faith is between them and God. Not between them, a Church, and them God.
You yourself have a personal relationship with God and that’s your business. The Pentecostal has their relationship with God too. Etc. we are all on a path searching for deeper relationship with God except there are people who claim that they are correct and everyone else s as liar. Are you one of those individuals?
."i believe in ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, and APOSTOLIC CHURCH..", we say as we recite the Nicene Creed..
(Although, as you know, rome took the term "catholic" for its own purposes, so the eastern churches took the name ORTHODOX, (right believing, right teaching) as ITs name.. even though IT still recites the Creed as it was written. And still confesses the word "CATHOLIC" for itself as having been given the fullness of the Faith which makes it able to respond to any need.
The issue is whether or not this CHURCH founded on Pentecost, and still teaching the TRUTH of the Gospel in its fullness, even as it might 'look' different from the early church that was hiding in caves and catacombs, is still the True church.
We have many reasons to believe that the Orthodox Church REALLY is the repository of TRUTH.
The ORTHODOX CHURCH has ample reason to assert that it holds to this very moment the Faith begun at Pentecost so long ago.
That there isn't any daylight between that Church and the Church we call Orthodox today.
The issues, as i have said before, is how do these religious groups that you talk about confirm their teachings to the historic Church? And if they don't do that, why not? And, if they don't do that, why be a part of them?
As i have said before, in most situations in our world we WANT to know the Truth. We WANT a standard by which to measure things.
Why should this be any different? ☦📿💝📿☦
@@lindaphillips4646 the standard of Truth of course is Jesus-God as understood and measured by reason and common sense. For instance that God does not call women to the priestly service makes absolutely no sense to me other than being a manner of discrimination based on gender and “sanctioned” by God.
You have a personal relationship between you and God which I am sure is intensely personal and intimate. So does every other true seeker after Christ led by the movement of the Holy Spirit.
Now if we are in need of a pedigree line to feel secure then that’s between you and God. I believe God is present in the forward movement of history whose infinity we are only experiencing in a way that is sufficient for us.
We do look for truth and a way to measure it in all areas of life I agree. That’s a great observation but how we experience that truth in the spirit realm I am not convinced is to be a card carrying member of an organization regardless of its antiquity. Hinduism is older than EO but does that mean that a goddess lives in the Ganga River? Maybe if you’re a devout Hindu. See where I am going? Antiquity is not a standard of truth so I’d be leery to hold to it as a standard.
As a Christian I walk daily with Our Lord and seek to bring his Love and Healing to every situation I encounter. To me that is a reasonable application of Love of God and Love of neighbor.
Punx 4 Christ!
Hello Guy's. I wanted to know wanted to know whats the orthodox perspectives of Christ . Was He the Son of God just like the Bible mentioned, or was he god .
Im new to all of this . Please forgive me if my question was rude . Because ive seen in muslim they believe that Jesus Christ was a prophet . And he will return again . But Christians view is that he is god in human form . But in the bible its said jesus prayed to god etc .
Thats what's confusing .
Jesus is the Word of God. Another name for Him is the Son of God.
These are titles to distinguish Him from the Father although they are one. The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”
-John 1:1-5
Jesus was fully God and fully man.
God incarnated Himself in the person of Jesus that we might know Him.
John, i just left a comment that i thought would be placed under your question, but it just ended at the top for some reason..
I will let others also answer your question, but the ORTHODOX CHURCH understands that GOD, exists as the Holy Trinity in 3 Persons, as the FATHER, and the SON, and the HOLY SPIRIT. "Of one essence."
Separate persons but together.
There are many good videos and books about this.
JESUS, as the SON OF GOD, was and is of One Essence with the FATHER, but is a separate person.. even before HE took human form. HE is the SON Whom GOD, the FATHER, sent into the world for our sakes.
The special hymn sung for the Feast of the Baptism of JESUS by ST.JOHN the BAPTIST, in the Jordan River, speaks about this belief/ truth about this Holy Trinity this way:
"When Thou, O, Lord, wast baptized in the Jordan, the worship of the Trinity was made manifest, For the voice of the FATHER bear witness to THEE, and called THEE His Beloved SON, And the SPIRIT in the form of a dove confirmed the truthfulness of His words.
Oh, CHRIST GOD, WHO hast revealed THYSELF, and has enlightened the world, GLORY TO THEE!!!".
These may be stories you have never heard before and i am sure that you have never heard the hymn before, but i send them to you as a way to start to explain what the CHURCH teaches. And the foundation upon which it is built..☦📿💝💝📿☦
This is a perfect guidance. Well directed. Well done!🙏🏼@@lindaphillips4646
Thank you guys for the reply .
I really want to embrace Orthodoxy and Justin Marler, many of the priests on this channel, and many aspects of the Church are drawing me closer. I have one hitch, many of my friends and loved ones are gay. I am not but I also do not want to denounce these folks as evil nor do I think they are. Sometimes when I hear Fr. Trenham talk I feel like I could never embrace Orthodoxy because he tends to open up a more hateful side to the religion. He uses terms like devils and demons to talk about individuals and I do not like that. Does anyone share similar feelings? Can anyone offer guidance? Thank you.
I don't personally recall ever hearing Fr Josiah refer to any human beings as demons, and if he did, I think that if pressed he would have to clarify that, of course, all humans are image bearers of God and are not demons, although they may tragically be influenced by demons, as most all of us are to one extent or another.
I would encourage you to, first of all, not acquire too much of your perception of Orthodoxy from online apologists. We have to expect, as it is unavoidable in our extremely chaotic and confused time, that many people are going to respond with an exaggerated dependence upon order and legalism - this *always* happens when things are in flux, because it provides a semblance of stability. The core of Orthodox Christianity however is radical love and non judgement and a hope for the salvation of all. People are extremely confused and are looking for some comfort anywhere they can find it. If they have never experienced the love and grace of Christ and His Holy Spirit how can we expect these people to abandon what they see as the only opportunity for hope and comfort for something they have never seen and don't believe in?? We should never condemn anyone, especially those outside the Church who are simply confused. Saint Paul called for Christians to pray for and respect the Roman Emperors who were actively persecuting them. They believed they were under the control of demons and worshipping false gods but they still desired their salvation as children of God made in His image.
Saint Silouan famously said to a judgemental monk who was revelling in the future condemnation of atheists to hell: "Love could not bear that - we must pray for all." This does not mean that *all will or must be saved*, that choice lies only with each person themselves, but we must fervently pray with pain of heart for the salvation of every person. Homosexuality is wrong as it is an aberration of God's creation, but we must love and pray for all people struggling with sexual disorder. I struggle with pornography. I come to Confession. I don't need to be perfect to participate in the Church - it is through participation in the Church that we move towards perfection.
Pray for your wayward brothers.
There is no hateful side. There is Love/Truth. People have become so warped by society that they see the truth as hateful. I have all kinds of friends and family who are of all different religions and no religion at all. But as a follower of Christ i am commanded to love and pray for people. Even my enemies! (That was not easy. I still struggle with that part.) Condemn the sin not the sinner. I'll pray for you buddy. You are going to be fine.
I recommend reading Fr. Seraphim Rose, a gay man turned from sin and who eventually became an Orthodox monk and priest and now a canonised saint in Georgia.
Calling things by their name is not hate. Evil is conscious deviation from God, which any homosexual engages in when partaking in their lifestyle. You'll have to adapt to the church if you really want to get into it, because it won't adapt to you
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0:01 0:01 this is misleading, because jesus said we have to be born from above & also his warnings about call no man father on earth.
"Born from above" is simply a reference to baptism.
As far as "calling no man father" You need to look into the context of that. Even St. Paul said "For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers." 1 Cor 4:15
@@prozacgensing4668 sadly its a standard reply. Water baptism is not from above.
Botezul lui Ioan Botezătorul era doar cu apă, botezul pocăinței, simbolic, dar botezul nostru, în numele Sfintei Treimi este "nașterea din nou", intrarea omului în Biserică, trupul Lui Hristos(atunci devii creștin). Prin botez păcatul strămoșesc cu care te naști este șters, iertat .
Sleeping Giant
still my most played band even now. Cant get better
Except Holy Name IS better! I lOVE it!!!
Quick question I have for all
Orthodox and Catholics alike. Why do you call your priests Father when Jesus commands us not to call anyone on earth Father ”And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.“
Matthew 23:9 KJV. Unlike protestants you guys say you try to actually follow what the Bible says which I respect, how then do you reconcile this violation when it’s something that can be easily avoided
Διότι ο ιερέας είναι τύπος Χριστού.
@@makariospaschalidi9560 It does not matter if the Priesthood is a type of Christ (Even though I don't believe that to be true) Jesus still commands us not to call anyone on Earth your Father. Why would you openly go against what Jesus teaches
@@leemangwiro8584 you mean the same Jesus Christ that called Abraham, Father?
Luke 16:24
The reason why Jesus Christ told them to "call no man father" was to say don't be obsessed with titles. Because if you were to take it literally. You cannot call your biological father, father, or any step(adopted) father, father,
Also St Paul refers to himself as a Spiritual Father. Which is also what the Priests refer to themselves as.
1 Corinthians 4:15
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet ye have not many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel.
If you say that what Christ said about call no man father is literal. Then St Paul contradicts Christ and the whole Bible contradicts itself.
Jesus???
@@LovingtheTruth856 my point was, and I should have been clear…where is Jesus in all this?
@@TheShutterbug1968 Satan is slave master , Jesus, God, gave humans free will. Which do you prefer!?
Christ is in every word Father John say.
@@LovingtheTruth856 you clearly have no idea of what you talking about 😂
@LovingtheTruth856 there is no truth in your words. Only hate and judgment. You make your own reality, ignore the Church Fathers, ignoring tradition. Basing your theology on a Sola Scriptura type of thing. And yet you think you better than us.
Lord have Mercy, May the True God help you and have mercy on you.
Are Christian’s the only people who get into heaven and if they are is it only orthodoxy Christian’s
If it’s not why can’t people just stay Protestant and catholic
Is your ultimate goal to be with God in Heaven? if that is true - then you are off to a great start.
Yes if you want to have god and heaven when your time comes, then my friend you must have the holy spirit, heretics such as protestants etc,do not have their sacraments valid. That's mean they will out, pope church will out too.
The Church is the Body of Christ, the way into heaven. Of course God is merciful and can save anyone he wants, but apart from the saints of the church we can not know who is saved.
this does not mean that all the rest will be in hell, as there is something like paradise, the leaves of paradise were said by the saints to be tasted by those who did not know about Christ, who had a holy life but were not,for people whitch are not baptism like heretics and other fake religions,the babies from abortions, etc., etc. But why should you taste these things and not heaven next to God, and why should you risk your salvation. That would be my question if someone told me, Well, then that's good too, it doesn't matter. if I am not mistaken, Saint Chrysostom had mentioned this.
'World', i must tell you that i wish that paul below your question had not been quite so sharp in his response.
But i believe he is also earnest in his effort to confirm the true and special place of the Orthodox Church in our world.
There ARE valid reasons why the ORTHODOX CHURCH considers that those outside it who reject it are heretics. IT offers something that none of them can give. It is the repository of TRUTH about such things. When the CHURCH speaks strongly at times about such subjects, IT does it to plead for those who have left the Royal Path to return to it.
We DO NOT know how the LORD will judge them in due time. But we know that HE is a righteous judge, Who, as i saw a comment recently said, is on our side..
The usual counsels that i have heard about this issue are that we must seek to secure our own salvation and let the Lord handle the others. (Which does not mean that i gloss over heresies, some of which are abhorrent. )
We believe and experience the ORTHODOX CHURCH as a treasure and gift from GOD and we long for everyone, everywhere to become a part of IT.
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Saints don’t exist anymore. Just because a priest is humble, pious, etc does not make him saint. When we speak of saints we mean those who truly raised the dead, we mean the Apostles, like St. Peter and so on.
Who said that's what makes someone a saint?
He joined New Calendarist Ecumenist Heretical World (Pseudo-) Orthodoxy, a road to hell. He has yet to join True Orthodoxy, the only sure path, if followed faithfully, to heaven.
Jesus is the way to salvation
That is very judgmental, and even satanic thing to say. "You shall know them by their fruits."
@@LovingtheTruth856 Protestants, papists and non-denominationals don't bear almost any fruit. The few people that do, do it INSPITE of being those things.
@lovingthetruth856 can you give any examples?
This is blasphemy and heresy, and you need to examine yourself before you write such idiotic things where the whole world can see them. I didn't even want to engage this statement during Holy Week, but harmful and misleading teachings simply have to be addressed.
thank you, this greatly helped me
I completely agree!!! That is why I am Orthodox today. The Spirit of the age is full of those with "itchy ears"
@@LovingtheTruth856 right because we should listen to you instead… you are right and they are wrong?