Actually, in "tournament play", it is against the rules to call lines "tight". The new rule in 2021 and forward says you must call the ball IN unless you CLEARLY see it out, ie: space between the ball and the line. Therefore, all disputes go the IN column, not the OUT column.
I wonder what would happen, in a tournament if let’s say singles to bring the amount of eyes down. Player 1 hits a ball at the NVZ and almost falls in. Power toes the line while the other player gets excited and hits a Ernie and it whips past player 1 shoulder in a downward motion. It’s pretty high tho. Both players recover player 1. Asks was it out because they thought it would be. The other player jumping thru the air says idk. And then correct them self and says I think it was out. But an official over hears and says if you didn’t see it, it must be called in? I’ve done things similar to this where I’ve hit a ball and the other side hits a ball over and i duck or am unbalanced to look at the ball. It’s just an interesting thing
2:50 it's amazing how many times your ball is OUT on line calls....99% vs the ones that are in. I really like it when they call it out in mid air then it hits the line...
Playback at 0.25X and sure enough the ball is in but somehow he calls it out and he is absolutely certain that he is right. How can someone be so certain and be wrong at the same time. If it is close I call it in. I don't get paid to do this.
So frustrating on middle line serves and aces when they are called out because the receiver is under pressure. I sometimes call the lines too tightly but then there’s also parallax issues on sidelines when I see space between the ball and the line from the far side versus my partner who’s closer to the bounce. If partner calls it good then benefit of the doubt goes to the opponents and ball is good. Too often when the situation is reversed it becomes “I think that was out, it was hard to tell, what do you think partner?” “I couldn’t see it clearly, but if you thought it was out, then it’s out” or similar words to that effect. Sometimes opponents will offer to replay the point after they’ve suffered a stunning winner, which tends to deflate the team that hit the called out winner, nothing like a good ol’ reset in the middle of the game, or better yet, the match winning point.
how can you say to not hit a player? If you hit the bell fast directly at a player, that's on them to put the paddle in front and defend, it's not your fault if it makes contact with their face/body
Most annoying thing for me is. My partner never comes to the net, when returning the ball. Other day I played open play and no one came to the net. Seems like 25% or so games i play people dont know that they should be at the net. They think this is tennis. 2nd annoying thing is lobbing into the sun.
Interesting choices of video to prove your points. 1st Example - ball on court: as can happen, the guy with the obvious put away missed his shot and it was returned as a winner. Had they not made the call, "ball on court" they would have won the rally and it would not have been played over. The "obvious" (potential) winner of the rally with the put away is not always the winner of the rally. 2nd Video Example - Ernie line violation - at 1:53 / 1:54 your last step with your right foot while in court is on the kitchen line. Play it in slow motion at .25 speed. The angle of the camera is not good for making this call but if I were reffing this and making a decision based on video, I'd call you on the line with your right toe at 1:53/1:54 3rd situation - bad line calls: at 2:54 in slow motion it looks like the shot is good but just barely. With the speed of the ball and the low angle I can easily see how this call is disputable so not a great video example for line calls. Better to show us a video where the shot is obviously 6" or 12" in the court and it's called out by the other team with a poor angle to make the call. There has to be a quick and decisive way to resolve these tight calls in Rec Ball and fortunately the rules are in place for it....the team on the side of the net where the in/out dilemma occurs makes the call with final say. You say, come on guys, it's Rec Ball, just play it over but did you do that with your called foot fault on the kitchen line Ernie shot at 1:54 or did you not give in?...in that Rec Ball scenario? 4th situation - taking your partner's shots - good example with video - silly behavior in Rec ball, who wants to play with you if you do that? 5th situation - hitting opponent with ball: I think this is an ok shot in Rec ball as long the player you are drilling is at the same level you are at. If you are a 4.0 and you do that to a 3.0, then you are an A-hole...same thing with a Nasty Nelson. Entertaining video, good for starting discussions about these situations.
i had a really good player 3.5 or 4 (better than me) slamming at me (i am maybe a 2 or 2.5) first time we played together. he was picking on me and thought he was a tough guy. i said something to him and he made a lame excuse but i still bumped paddles at end and said nice game
My biggest pet peeve -- when you're in a tournament with tight courts next to each other and the court next to you lets their ball go where ever it wants to on the last point because the game has finished. OMG this makes me so mad!! They let the ball go on other courts because THEIR game is over!! SO annoying.
@@joenenninger971 I've heard two different theories on this. 1. Call "ball" so the other court players don't get hurt tripping on your ball. 2. Say nothing because someone on the other court will see it anyway and it should be their decision whether they want to stop or continue. Which is correct?
@@longtimelo #2 is a dangerous choice. They DON'T notice. I have yelled ball 2 or 3 times and then walked onto their court to get them to stop and they're STILL surprised 😵💫
An annoying thing is when I play with a weaker partner and my opponents just target them the entire match. When that happens I purposely hit the ball out on most points.
@@longtimelo I agree if you're playing in a league or tournament, but I find it annoying when it happens in a recreational game where the goal should be to have fun and improve your skills.
The tagging segment. I have mixed opinions. I normally apologize when I tag an opponent. There are unscrupulous players where they go for the face or just play recklessly. Those types of players I stay away. In terms of targeting a player, in recreational play, if I'm in an uneven match up, I try to keep the ball in play as often as I can without the extreme poaching. On the other end, if my opponent has a weaker partner, I don't target. The objective is not to humiliate. That's all. It doesn't take much for things to get out of control in pickleball.
How do you know that someone is going for your face if they don't tell you? It is very difficult to hit someone...In the rec play court itself is often small target. Next time you play make the decision that you will tag the guy on the other side and there is 90% chance that you will not do it...Players that are getting hit are often in the wrong position....
The most annoying thing for me is whe. You're playing on a multipurpose court (both pickleball and tennis lines), and your opponent makes a call based on the wrong line.
Fun video! Good points. Sometimes play with serial poachers. Sometimes they jump in front of you when you have the potential for a good shot and they smash it into the net, or out. I have gotten a bit braver and instead of giving way all the time, I might not! Haha!
i like my partner poaching when she has a strong forehand but someone poached from me a couple of times recently with backhand and failed. that was annoying. i could have gotten that ball
Great video, but let’s discuss #5. Don’t you need to practice targeting various parts of a person’s body (not the head) for league or tournament play. Now, I agree if there is a great disparity in skill it’s out of line to hit the opponent, but if skill is the same, and the game is not a warmup, then I’m thinking it’s ok. But, I’m an ex hockey player and I’ve been hit by 80mph slap shots so a plastic ball is nothing.
I laughed hard on these. One time I was told specifically not to smash at an opponent. Of course maybe second point of match a meatball was served up and I pegged her in arm. Felt horrible. And amen to line calls in rec, if it’s close it’s literally always in. My biggest peeve is when ppl explain it hit out before the line. That’s impossible because it was in. Feel like most rec players have no idea when a serve is in at middle line. Nice video 👍
Agreed, I have had many times where I had a clear straight on view of my shot landing straight down the middle of the line and called out, several times. it's difficult not be angry. I know I've probably called a few bad ones myself , but I really do try to give the benefit of the doubt If I cannot see that it was clearly out.
Most annoying is poachers where Im much better than them and Im clearly there. This is rare as Im not that good but when it happens with the same players I am always scratching my head.
I started playing park & rec PB (doubles) almost 5 mths. ago. My understanding is there are unwritten P&R etiquette rules with one being: If you are obviously the strongest person in your foursome, tone down the competitiveness and hit your opponent’s balls that they have a chance to return. Work on a new skill - perhaps it’s a great time for work on that third shot drop shot. No BANGING on weaker players. There is one guy that's younger (40's?) that "slams" on everyone; constant "tournament" mindset. We have a diverse group of men and women, approx. 98% are 50 yo and older (60, 70). We recently had a round robin within the group and I was playing doubles opposite of him. I was up front and crowding the center line while he was serving to my partner. He is a very consistent server. He did not like it because his serve goes down the center and then curves out/lots of spin. He intentionally served and hit me. Your advise.
don't stand on the center line, I'd try to hit you also, but you're blocking your partners view of the ball they have to hit the ball, just stand out of the way and walk in after your partner hits the ball. as for an unspoken rule: I think it depends on a lot of stuff. for example if a weaker player keeps hitting lobs I'm smashing everyone at them. I have a pretty killer soft block just over the net. If I'm playing with someone who cant move very well I wont use that shot. here's something to think about. As a stronger player in my Open play group I usually get paired with the weakest player, the other team will isolate me out. when I get the opportunity do I hit a winner or just a shot they will be able to hit back. so anyway it's just hard to say about the unspoken rule. I try to make it fun for everyone
@@skidz8426 I was not "on" the line. I was still within the area I was supposed to be in. So you are saying there are times where it is ok to intentionally hit someone with a serve?
@@garysullivan1970 If they hit you with the serve (before it bounces) it's their point. If someone is standing in that front corner they're practically asking for it (unless they just have absolutely no idea). Hitting your server at the non-returning opponent has become known as a nasty nelson
The one and only Nasty Nelson I've ever done was in a similar situation. The person, who I did not know, was crowding the center line, and I hit her with a serve. But I did not feel bad about it, because the serve would have gone in (like 3 feet inside the center line) had they not been in that position. Different story if they're aiming at you with no intention of landing the serve. But without knowing if that was the case in your situation, I can see the other guy's side. Why should he have to change his (consistent, per your description) serve, because you've decided to be an (bleep) and stand where it usually goes?
Hey, be careful where you aim. I saw Collin Johns take one in the you know where, playing doubles with his little bro. First point of the match! Collin went down for the count but fortunately about 15 minutes later he was able to resume the match, albeit with a higher pitched voice. And they won...of course.
The franklin ball thing happened to me yesterday exactly like that too! I bring my franklin ball and some guy was like "I don't use those balls" and so on.
What do you mean on the ball on court point? The whole point was played out. And Sam lost that point, it was returned it for a winner. Sam's overhead was way too shallow.
If anything, the point at 2:55 the near team's shot was out. The ATP seemed good, very close to the line if not on, but hard to tell from the camera angle. Maybe a little short but not as much as the team was arguing. tough call tho, I would've let him have it!
Just watched a guy in a competition final, think it was 4.0+ but whatever. Anyway he was very proficient at hitting the opponents, any ball around the net even below the level of the net he was hitting really fast speedups, they were all going miles long but didn't matter because he was getting the opponents in the chest time after time. Obviously it was a deliberate tactic, but opponent's didn't seem to know what to do about it.
I did once hit the ball like that , but soft dropped over with paddle touched the top of the net , people of other side opened big eyes because they were at deep back line , everybody cheers “that is legally !” . Very much fun !
How about private league play when open play is scheduled? I live in NY where space is limited and most groups use the team reach app. It’s really blowing up here and space is limited so it can be really frustrating when a group is taking up a court and denying people into their rotation _for 3-4 hours right before sundown!_
In Boston most cities will have on the gate a recommended app to reserve for open play and they will for free keep and prioritize parks for open play. When it comes to private play most parks and recreation are going to ask you to pay for a permit of rany organized sports and don't want it being absorbed for hours by private teams. Parks are supposed to be used for quick rotation public open play. Most of the people who train for tournaments jump into open play and will just compete against other rec players but stay on the team with their partner. It's small teams of 2 people so pretty easy to do Or When we are 4.0+ players training though we have private gyms that we train at in Boston. Private gyms are way way cheaper then park permits. Also at 1pm most parks are dead so we practice with our own nets then too. Also many of the players I compete with own their own pickleball courts too and we invite each other over for practice and dinner. But parks should be left to the open play and rotate in. It is not appropriate for any team to reserve it for 3 to 4 hours for themselves.
2:00 the erne is fine, but what about crossing to the opponents court? I don't know if pickleball has rules similar to tennis, but that is definitely a fault in tennis.
You ask, why make a call about stepping in the kitchen or stepping on the kitchen line while in Rec play, as if thsi is somehow trivial. I compeley disagree with this sentiment! The kitchen rules are arguably the most important rules. There's a reason why the kitchen rules are so strict (Can't have your forward momentem carry you in the kitchen on a volley and can't have anything fall into the kitchen, such as hat, glasses, paddle, etc.). The adavatgae of hitting anything within the vacinity of the kitchen is huge. The rule keeps people honest and awy from encroaching into the kitchen. So, yes, we should be calling all kitchen rules even during rec play.
OMG, the targeting, I hate it! I get so cold and stiff standing around watching my partner play that I %^&* up my knees when someone finally hits a ball to me and I have to dig it up from my toes.
Joey! You are so ANNOYING, but in a good way, and funny way! I think I will subscribe to your channel because I LOVE Weird & Wacky. Keep up the good work, because you have some excellent analytical skills!
It's annoying when bystanders or people on another court call your line or call you in the kitchen! Really?? Mind your own court and we'll do the same. 2nd peeve - a much stronger male serves to a weaker (older-me) female a ridiculous spin serve and they are up like 10-2. Cmon! Cut me some slack dude.
The last two weeks I have been hit in the nose twice by two different players I didn't know. I try to apologize if I even miss people by a little. I guess I worry about a detached retina.
I thought answering cell phones was first in your list. 😂 I think arguing where you start yelling and totally get on back-and-forth during rec play is annoying but that’s just me. At a certain point, you’re like, you know what I’m not gonna win anything in this rec play. I mean, it’s not a tournament, you’re not gonna get any gold.. I’m gonna let it go and do better the next play and “get them back” by winning the rally or score a point. Use your anger and frustration to fuel your game. Again, this is just me.
There should NEVER be an argument about a call. The team on the side of the call makes the decision. It is ok to discuss / ask for the opinion of others and you may not agree with the decision,. After a few close calls are made, it becomes pretty obvious which players consistently favor their team.
I constantly hit players with the ball but not on purpose! I always apologize as soon as it happens and they always tell me not to worry since it's a good shot. I have hit many speed ups at my friend's face, and at this point, he just thinks it is impressive because nearly every time I speed up at him, it is at his face. I swear I don't mean it!
Targeting in rec play is bs!! Poaching is kinda bs but targeting the weak link and not letting the more skilled player get shots in is what causes poaching. I get if it’s a big point, but I can’t stand playing with a lower skilled partner when the opposition hits 90% of balls to them. On a hot day I ask “why am I even here?”. When I’m the weak link being targeted I actually enjoy it (more balls) but have seen some players get really down on themselves after an hour of getting worked over.
Ball on is ball on no matter when it happens! He didn't have the point won because it was BALL ON! you have no idea where that point was going to end until it was BALL ON then it ended!
I hate having to constantly have to stop and redo points because the players on the next court play like maniacs. When exactly did my court become part of your wild shots? And why do you have to play like you're the only court on a 1-mile radius?
The most annoying thing is when a ball goes on another court and the person that picks it up has to find out who is serving before returning it, meanwhile 7 people are waiting for you to solve this puzzle. Really? Just give the ball back to the court quickly and move on.
what are you talking about?! It is not about winning and loosing...give me a break. Please think why are we stepping in front of our partners and poaching the ball that was aimed at them...Most teams are aiming for the weaker player even at the rec level....that is the main reason. Next reason is the player closer to the net has better chance of putting the ball away...and if player is fast and skilled to step across he/she should try if opportunity is there. In rec play if someone is making the bad calls...just pick up your staff and leave...
a couple of my petpeevs having too many balls to play with, where I play they have a bucket of balls behind the court and they grab a new ball almost every serve ahhhhh like you pick up the ball and they pull one out from their pocket "keep it" no I'm hitting you back this ball. you need 1 ball but more than that especially!!! especially when someone hits the ball into the net and it's right in front of them and they walk away from it. every time. ahhhhhh, back to the too many balls people will kick the ball to the back of the court expecting me to whip a new ball out. I hate that. I should make my own list. next when quite "playing" not they walk off the court. like if you say, if they return it down the middle I'll get it (forhand) and then they stop getting other shots down the middle, that are there shots. and this will be my last one, I'm a shot maker, a finisher the problem is I'm going to have a high error %. but here's the petpeev I'm praised for winners and reprimanded for non-winners. we need to stop making mistakes. O shoot good idea I should just hit the ball inbounds. ohh but when I'm on my game " good job keep hitting shots like that. not calling score. what about people who don't move up to the net. " if they smash the ball I'll have to move back anyway" seriously someone told me that. quick story when the dura fast 40's were breaking all the time I bought 200 onyx balls and people were like these are the official tournament balls, these are too those balls are just sponsoring the events you watch or play in. We'd break those dura every few games they were horrible. hardly break the onyx balls.
It does not matter if you do not volley the ball. You can walk, you can sleep in the kitchen, you just cannot hit the ball before it bounced in the kitchen
(#2) disagree. I want to be called on foot faults because that is clearly a foot fault and in a tournament, I will be called. Just play by the rules if that is the rule.
Ball on court is a safety issue. Even though the player had an easy put away, it would have been bad if the ball had rolled under his feet and he fell with nobody warning him.
Yeah but common sense should come into play as well. If the ball is rolling along the base of the net, it's in zero danger of being stepped on, I say let it go. We had a ball come into our court the other day, behind us, it cut across the back corner and of course we hear "BALL!!" right before we hit a winning shot at the net. And of course, we had to replay the point and we lost the replay, and ended up losing the game 11-8, so it could have made a difference. I understand the safety issue, but if it's nowhere near the players or not in any danger of being stepped on, maybe let it go?
Are you saying I am allowed to enter the kitchen to smash a ball in mid-air before it bounces? Then what is the purpose of a kitchen zone? Where in the rules does it say that? If you’re correct, I’ll start charging the net on every point
Actually, in "tournament play", it is against the rules to call lines "tight". The new rule in 2021 and forward says you must call the ball IN unless you CLEARLY see it out, ie: space between the ball and the line. Therefore, all disputes go the IN column, not the OUT column.
Really great point
I wonder what would happen, in a tournament if let’s say singles to bring the amount of eyes down. Player 1 hits a ball at the NVZ and almost falls in. Power toes the line while the other player gets excited and hits a Ernie and it whips past player 1 shoulder in a downward motion. It’s pretty high tho. Both players recover player 1. Asks was it out because they thought it would be. The other player jumping thru the air says idk. And then correct them self and says I think it was out. But an official over hears and says if you didn’t see it, it must be called in?
I’ve done things similar to this where I’ve hit a ball and the other side hits a ball over and i duck or am unbalanced to look at the ball. It’s just an interesting thing
Remember the ball touching court is fine size
2:50 it's amazing how many times your ball is OUT on line calls....99% vs the ones that are in.
I really like it when they call it out in mid air then it hits the line...
Playback at 0.25X and sure enough the ball is in but somehow he calls it out and he is absolutely certain that he is right. How can someone be so certain and be wrong at the same time. If it is close I call it in. I don't get paid to do this.
“You know what…you can play with yourself” 😂😂😂😂
So frustrating on middle line serves and aces when they are called out because the receiver is under pressure. I sometimes call the lines too tightly but then there’s also parallax issues on sidelines when I see space between the ball and the line from the far side versus my partner who’s closer to the bounce. If partner calls it good then benefit of the doubt goes to the opponents and ball is good. Too often when the situation is reversed it becomes
“I think that was out, it was hard to tell, what do you think partner?”
“I couldn’t see it clearly, but if you thought it was out, then it’s out” or similar words to that effect.
Sometimes opponents will offer to replay the point after they’ve suffered a stunning winner, which tends to deflate the team that hit the called out winner, nothing like a good ol’ reset in the middle of the game, or better yet, the match winning point.
Absolutely true.
when in doubt i always call it in. i can make wrong calls to be sure but if i really don’t know or i’m not sure i call it in
how can you say to not hit a player? If you hit the bell fast directly at a player, that's on them to put the paddle in front and defend, it's not your fault if it makes contact with their face/body
Most annoying thing for me is. My partner never comes to the net, when returning the ball. Other day I played open play and no one came to the net. Seems like 25% or so games i play people dont know that they should be at the net. They think this is tennis. 2nd annoying thing is lobbing into the sun.
OMG..I so agree... Can't get them to the meet
My Dad makes everyone so mad because he refuses to play at the net!!! It's so annoying because now he's just doing it out of ego
@@sunsioux444 lobbying into sun ts game play. thats not cheap point. cheap point is slamming ball and targeting 70 year old lady beginner player.
@@golfmaniac007 Agreed! If you’re getting lobbed in the sun figure it out and stop whining
@@sunsioux444 Talk about unbelievably bad sportsmanship on _your_ part
Interesting choices of video to prove your points. 1st Example - ball on court: as can happen, the guy with the obvious put away missed his shot and it was returned as a winner. Had they not made the call, "ball on court" they would have won the rally and it would not have been played over. The "obvious" (potential) winner of the rally with the put away is not always the winner of the rally. 2nd Video Example - Ernie line violation - at 1:53 / 1:54 your last step with your right foot while in court is on the kitchen line. Play it in slow motion at .25 speed. The angle of the camera is not good for making this call but if I were reffing this and making a decision based on video, I'd call you on the line with your right toe at 1:53/1:54 3rd situation - bad line calls: at 2:54 in slow motion it looks like the shot is good but just barely. With the speed of the ball and the low angle I can easily see how this call is disputable so not a great video example for line calls. Better to show us a video where the shot is obviously 6" or 12" in the court and it's called out by the other team with a poor angle to make the call. There has to be a quick and decisive way to resolve these tight calls in Rec Ball and fortunately the rules are in place for it....the team on the side of the net where the in/out dilemma occurs makes the call with final say. You say, come on guys, it's Rec Ball, just play it over but did you do that with your called foot fault on the kitchen line Ernie shot at 1:54 or did you not give in?...in that Rec Ball scenario? 4th situation - taking your partner's shots - good example with video - silly behavior in Rec ball, who wants to play with you if you do that? 5th situation - hitting opponent with ball: I think this is an ok shot in Rec ball as long the player you are drilling is at the same level you are at. If you are a 4.0 and you do that to a 3.0, then you are an A-hole...same thing with a Nasty Nelson. Entertaining video, good for starting discussions about these situations.
This is Joey responding. I absolutely love this reply and it is tough to argue. Thank you so much for watching and commenting 🙂
i had a really good player 3.5 or 4 (better than me) slamming at me (i am maybe a 2 or 2.5) first time we played together. he was picking on me and thought he was a tough guy. i said something to him and he made a lame excuse but i still bumped paddles at end and said nice game
My biggest pet peeve -- when you're in a tournament with tight courts next to each other and the court next to you lets their ball go where ever it wants to on the last point because the game has finished. OMG this makes me so mad!! They let the ball go on other courts because THEIR game is over!! SO annoying.
This has happened to me on more than one occasion. So true Debbie!
And in rec play even if game is continuing they stand there and don't say anything waiting for you to notice their ball is in your court.
@@joenenninger971 I've heard two different theories on this. 1. Call "ball" so the other court players don't get hurt tripping on your ball. 2. Say nothing because someone on the other court will see it anyway and it should be their decision whether they want to stop or continue. Which is correct?
@@longtimelo #2 is a dangerous choice. They DON'T notice. I have yelled ball 2 or 3 times and then walked onto their court to get them to stop and they're STILL surprised 😵💫
@@barb9638 👍
How about when someone you've never met says your serve is illegal because you're hitting it about 2 inches too high? (How can they tell?)
Lol!!!
An annoying thing is when I play with a weaker partner and my opponents just target them the entire match. When that happens I purposely hit the ball out on most points.
Exactly. Sometimes it feels like the only time I get to hit the ball is on the return of serve.
@@cheese26611 Yes and I purposely hit the return out
That’s when I will make a comment like hey guys can I get some work in otherwise I’m juts a wall flower.
Isn't this what the game is though? Exploit any/all weaknesses in the other team.
@@longtimelo I agree if you're playing in a league or tournament, but I find it annoying when it happens in a recreational game where the goal should be to have fun and improve your skills.
The tagging segment. I have mixed opinions. I normally apologize when I tag an opponent. There are unscrupulous players where they go for the face or just play recklessly. Those types of players I stay away. In terms of targeting a player, in recreational play, if I'm in an uneven match up, I try to keep the ball in play as often as I can without the extreme poaching. On the other end, if my opponent has a weaker partner, I don't target. The objective is not to humiliate. That's all. It doesn't take much for things to get out of control in pickleball.
How do you know that someone is going for your face if they don't tell you? It is very difficult to hit someone...In the rec play court itself is often small target. Next time you play make the decision that you will tag the guy on the other side and there is 90% chance that you will not do it...Players that are getting hit are often in the wrong position....
The most annoying thing for me is whe. You're playing on a multipurpose court (both pickleball and tennis lines), and your opponent makes a call based on the wrong line.
Fun video! Good points. Sometimes play with serial poachers. Sometimes they jump in front of you when you have the potential for a good shot and they smash it into the net, or out. I have gotten a bit braver and instead of giving way all the time, I might not! Haha!
i like my partner poaching when she has a strong forehand but someone poached from me a couple of times recently with backhand and failed. that was annoying. i could have gotten that ball
Great video, but let’s discuss #5. Don’t you need to practice targeting various parts of a person’s body (not the head) for league or tournament play. Now, I agree if there is a great disparity in skill it’s out of line to hit the opponent, but if skill is the same, and the game is not a warmup, then I’m thinking it’s ok. But, I’m an ex hockey player and I’ve been hit by 80mph slap shots so a plastic ball is nothing.
So true
I laughed hard on these. One time I was told specifically not to smash at an opponent. Of course maybe second point of match a meatball was served up and I pegged her in arm. Felt horrible. And amen to line calls in rec, if it’s close it’s literally always in. My biggest peeve is when ppl explain it hit out before the line. That’s impossible because it was in. Feel like most rec players have no idea when a serve is in at middle line. Nice video 👍
Agreed, I have had many times where I had a clear straight on view of my shot landing straight down the middle of the line and called out, several times. it's difficult not be angry. I know I've probably called a few bad ones myself , but I really do try to give the benefit of the doubt If I cannot see that it was clearly out.
Most annoying is poachers where Im much better than them and Im clearly there. This is rare as Im not that good but when it happens with the same players I am always scratching my head.
I started playing park & rec PB (doubles) almost 5 mths. ago. My understanding is there are unwritten P&R etiquette rules with one being: If you are obviously the strongest person in your foursome, tone down the competitiveness and hit your opponent’s balls that they have a chance to return. Work on a new skill - perhaps it’s a great time for work on that third shot drop shot. No BANGING on weaker players. There is one guy that's younger (40's?) that "slams" on everyone; constant "tournament" mindset. We have a diverse group of men and women, approx. 98% are 50 yo and older (60, 70). We recently had a round robin within the group and I was playing doubles opposite of him. I was up front and crowding the center line while he was serving to my partner. He is a very consistent server. He did not like it because his serve goes down the center and then curves out/lots of spin. He intentionally served and hit me. Your advise.
don't stand on the center line, I'd try to hit you also, but you're blocking your partners view of the ball they have to hit the ball, just stand out of the way and walk in after your partner hits the ball. as for an unspoken rule: I think it depends on a lot of stuff. for example if a weaker player keeps hitting lobs I'm smashing everyone at them. I have a pretty killer soft block just over the net. If I'm playing with someone who cant move very well I wont use that shot.
here's something to think about. As a stronger player in my Open play group I usually get paired with the weakest player, the other team will isolate me out. when I get the opportunity do I hit a winner or just a shot they will be able to hit back. so anyway it's just hard to say about the unspoken rule. I try to make it fun for everyone
@@skidz8426 I was not "on" the line. I was still within the area I was supposed to be in. So you are saying there are times where it is ok to intentionally hit someone with a serve?
@@garysullivan1970 If they hit you with the serve (before it bounces) it's their point. If someone is standing in that front corner they're practically asking for it (unless they just have absolutely no idea). Hitting your server at the non-returning opponent has become known as a nasty nelson
@@jgelvar if it's among friends, no prob. However just because rules say one can do it doesn't make it the right thing to do.
The one and only Nasty Nelson I've ever done was in a similar situation. The person, who I did not know, was crowding the center line, and I hit her with a serve. But I did not feel bad about it, because the serve would have gone in (like 3 feet inside the center line) had they not been in that position. Different story if they're aiming at you with no intention of landing the serve. But without knowing if that was the case in your situation, I can see the other guy's side. Why should he have to change his (consistent, per your description) serve, because you've decided to be an (bleep) and stand where it usually goes?
I am going to practice shot in corner during play today ! good Chanel ! 👍🏻
Thank you so much!
How did answering your cell phone not make the list, I thought that was where you were going with that!!
Or applewatch :-)
Hey, be careful where you aim. I saw Collin Johns take one in the you know where, playing doubles with his little bro. First point of the match! Collin went down for the count but fortunately about 15 minutes later he was able to resume the match, albeit with a higher pitched voice. And they won...of course.
Hilarious closing minute. You do such a nice job with these.
Very funny, Joe. And very true. Have a good day and keep doing your videos.
Thanks!!!!
The franklin ball thing happened to me yesterday exactly like that too! I bring my franklin ball and some guy was like "I don't use those balls" and so on.
Dunno why, the X-40 is a decent consistent ball
What do you mean on the ball on court point? The whole point was played out. And Sam lost that point, it was returned it for a winner. Sam's overhead was way too shallow.
If anything, the point at 2:55 the near team's shot was out. The ATP seemed good, very close to the line if not on, but hard to tell from the camera angle. Maybe a little short but not as much as the team was arguing. tough call tho, I would've let him have it!
Laziest ernie ever lol. You are the Best Joey!
I LOL when they got their revenge on you and the sheer delight in her laugh when it happened. Too funny.
True story 😃
Just watched a guy in a competition final, think it was 4.0+ but whatever. Anyway he was very proficient at hitting the opponents, any ball around the net even below the level of the net he was hitting really fast speedups, they were all going miles long but didn't matter because he was getting the opponents in the chest time after time. Obviously it was a deliberate tactic, but opponent's didn't seem to know what to do about it.
I did once hit the ball like that , but soft dropped over with paddle touched the top of the net , people of other side opened big eyes because they were at deep back line , everybody cheers “that is legally !” . Very much fun !
How about private league play when open play is scheduled? I live in NY where space is limited and most groups use the team reach app. It’s really blowing up here and space is limited so it can be really frustrating when a group is taking up a court and denying people into their rotation _for 3-4 hours right before sundown!_
In Boston most cities will have on the gate a recommended app to reserve for open play and they will for free keep and prioritize parks for open play. When it comes to private play most parks and recreation are going to ask you to pay for a permit of rany organized sports and don't want it being absorbed for hours by private teams. Parks are supposed to be used for quick rotation public open play.
Most of the people who train for tournaments jump into open play and will just compete against other rec players but stay on the team with their partner. It's small teams of 2 people so pretty easy to do
Or
When we are 4.0+ players training though we have private gyms that we train at in Boston. Private gyms are way way cheaper then park permits.
Also at 1pm most parks are dead so we practice with our own nets then too.
Also many of the players I compete with own their own pickleball courts too and we invite each other over for practice and dinner.
But parks should be left to the open play and rotate in. It is not appropriate for any team to reserve it for 3 to 4 hours for themselves.
Lol thank you for a great vid, as always!
Glad you enjoyed!
Aside from pet peeve’s having to do with line calls, I do most of these… I need to reevaluate my life
On the first one, he should have called kitchen instead of ball... Sam was in there baking a pie
Ball had bounced on the receiving side. Bake away.
@@snorktorsk3434 you are totally right... I was was watching his feet and not the ball.
2:00 the erne is fine, but what about crossing to the opponents court? I don't know if pickleball has rules similar to tennis, but that is definitely a fault in tennis.
You can after you hit the ball on your side
Thank you for posting. Lots of fun.
Our pleasure!
Beginner here. In #4 when you say that they got the point - was it because the ball was out of bounds? Because he missed it.
I always feel like if i get hit by a ball its my.own fault...either because i set the smash up or i wasnt prepared like i should be if my partner did.
2:56 the greats- Erne Perry playing Tim nelson. I think arguing was part of every game.
Good ones! Playing in a Tournament Sunday...
You ask, why make a call about stepping in the kitchen or stepping on the kitchen line while in Rec play, as if thsi is somehow trivial. I compeley disagree with this sentiment! The kitchen rules are arguably the most important rules. There's a reason why the kitchen rules are so strict (Can't have your forward momentem carry you in the kitchen on a volley and can't have anything fall into the kitchen, such as hat, glasses, paddle, etc.). The adavatgae of hitting anything within the vacinity of the kitchen is huge. The rule keeps people honest and awy from encroaching into the kitchen. So, yes, we should be calling all kitchen rules even during rec play.
OMG, the targeting, I hate it! I get so cold and stiff standing around watching my partner play that I %^&* up my knees when someone finally hits a ball to me and I have to dig it up from my toes.
The Ernie dispute 🤣💀🤣💀🤣💀🤣
The 1:27 twirl shot was more impressive than the ERNE!
Lol!!! Love it Gordon
Joey! You are so ANNOYING, but in a good way, and funny way! I think I will subscribe to your channel because I LOVE Weird & Wacky.
Keep up the good work, because you have some excellent analytical skills!
Thank you for the kind words 🙂
Had to laugh, all so true and your right it’s rec play, chill.
Thank you so much Mike!
Your best video yet!
Thank you so much Richard!!!
New subscriber. I like your friendly style !
Welcome!!
What camera do you use to record the games?
For the main camera we use DJI Pocket 2. It's pretty good except it sometimes overheats in hot weather.
a LAUGHED A LOT OVER THIS, THANKS
Slapping paddles is annoying,but it shows good sportsmanship,but not good for the paddle ,I try to used the grip to touch others paddle.
It's annoying when bystanders or people on another court call your line or call you in the kitchen! Really?? Mind your own court and we'll do the same. 2nd peeve - a much stronger male serves to a weaker (older-me) female a ridiculous spin serve and they are up like 10-2. Cmon! Cut me some slack dude.
This Joey responding. I think I have material to do a sequel now :-) Thank you so much for watching the awesome comment Cathy!
The last two weeks I have been hit in the nose twice by two different players I didn't know. I try to apologize if I even miss people by a little. I guess I worry about a detached retina.
Sorry to hear that. You definitely need an eye protection gear
Some great video of arguments….does that occur a lot when you play?
Only in fun no one actually gets upset
I thought answering cell phones was first in your list. 😂
I think arguing where you start yelling and totally get on back-and-forth during rec play is annoying but that’s just me. At a certain point, you’re like, you know what I’m not gonna win anything in this rec play. I mean, it’s not a tournament, you’re not gonna get any gold.. I’m gonna let it go and do better the next play and “get them back” by winning the rally or score a point. Use your anger and frustration to fuel your game. Again, this is just me.
There should NEVER be an argument about a call. The team on the side of the call makes the decision. It is ok to discuss / ask for the opinion of others and you may not agree with the decision,. After a few close calls are made, it becomes pretty obvious which players consistently favor their team.
I constantly hit players with the ball but not on purpose! I always apologize as soon as it happens and they always tell me not to worry since it's a good shot. I have hit many speed ups at my friend's face, and at this point, he just thinks it is impressive because nearly every time I speed up at him, it is at his face. I swear I don't mean it!
Targeting in rec play is bs!! Poaching is kinda bs but targeting the weak link and not letting the more skilled player get shots in is what causes poaching. I get if it’s a big point, but I can’t stand playing with a lower skilled partner when the opposition hits 90% of balls to them. On a hot day I ask “why am I even here?”. When I’m the weak link being targeted I actually enjoy it (more balls) but have seen some players get really down on themselves after an hour of getting worked over.
Dudes! I know i talk a lot of shit on yalls' page. But I want to play with you guys some day. Thanks for the content. See you soon enough.
Just loving your commentary Joey! You are awesome. I am playing and coaching pickleball. Love to get together sometime!!
Thanks coach :-)
well done!
Ball on is ball on no matter when it happens! He didn't have the point won because it was BALL ON! you have no idea where that point was going to end until it was BALL ON then it ended!
I hate having to constantly have to stop and redo points because the players on the next court play like maniacs.
When exactly did my court become part of your wild shots?
And why do you have to play like you're the only court on a 1-mile radius?
Hit by ball?
1. Get outta the way
2. You have a paddle in your hand -defend yourself!
3. The ball may cause pain, but will not injure you
Yeah I think flinching from fear of being hit costs people a lot of points.
But you played it standing in the kitchen before the ball was in the kitchen? Can you explain when we can step in the kitchen please?
The only thing you can't do in the non volley zone is volley. You can stand there all day if you want to.
The most annoying thing is when a ball goes on another court and the person that picks it up has to find out who is serving before returning it, meanwhile 7 people are waiting for you to solve this puzzle. Really? Just give the ball back to the court quickly and move on.
Joey is that a Penn State hat that you are wearing???
Yes. 07
Good one
you're a good dude. enjoy your videos
Glad you like them!
Hilarious and true!
Thank you ☺️ - Joey
“Not the first time I hit a girl” 😂
I like these videos
Thank you so much for watching!!!!
I hate it when women argue and demand to play with me. I’m only one guy
Fun video!
what are you talking about?! It is not about winning and loosing...give me a break. Please think why are we stepping in front of our partners and poaching the ball that was aimed at them...Most teams are aiming for the weaker player even at the rec level....that is the main reason. Next reason is the player closer to the net has better chance of putting the ball away...and if player is fast and skilled to step across he/she should try if opportunity is there. In rec play if someone is making the bad calls...just pick up your staff and leave...
a couple of my petpeevs having too many balls to play with, where I play they have a bucket of balls behind the court and they grab a new ball almost every serve ahhhhh like you pick up the ball and they pull one out from their pocket "keep it" no I'm hitting you back this ball. you need 1 ball but more than that especially!!! especially when someone hits the ball into the net and it's right in front of them and they walk away from it. every time. ahhhhhh, back to the too many balls people will kick the ball to the back of the court expecting me to whip a new ball out. I hate that. I should make my own list. next when quite "playing" not they walk off the court. like if you say, if they return it down the middle I'll get it (forhand) and then they stop getting other shots down the middle, that are there shots. and this will be my last one, I'm a shot maker, a finisher the problem is I'm going to have a high error %. but here's the petpeev I'm praised for winners and reprimanded for non-winners. we need to stop making mistakes. O shoot good idea I should just hit the ball inbounds. ohh but when I'm on my game " good job keep hitting shots like that. not calling score. what about people who don't move up to the net. " if they smash the ball I'll have to move back anyway" seriously someone told me that.
quick story when the dura fast 40's were breaking all the time I bought 200 onyx balls and people were like these are the official tournament balls, these are too those balls are just sponsoring the events you watch or play in. We'd break those dura every few games they were horrible. hardly break the onyx balls.
Wearing your hat backwards is the most annoying.
Annnnd Nikki is no longer his friend 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Those loosers are easy to find around pickleball courts.
Rec players are the worst at calling lines.
Funny! Keep it up!
You stepped in the kitchen before the ball bounced anyway so does it really matter that they called ball?
It does not matter if you do not volley the ball. You can walk, you can sleep in the kitchen, you just cannot hit the ball before it bounced in the kitchen
When can u play
Where do you live?
It was a foot fault clear as day
You are very funny haha
Thanks 😅
(#2) disagree. I want to be called on foot faults because that is clearly a foot fault and in a tournament, I will be called. Just play by the rules if that is the rule.
It is annoying when people call for foot fault no matter what happened
What about just apologizing when you hit someone?
😂 I smell a sequel
I like you videos, thanks.
Keith was in the kitchen before putting it away anyway so even.
U r kidding right?
Does not look like he was. But camera angle does not allow to be certain.
This is some funny ass and true shit
What's a young guy playing pickleball for anyway? Flexing in front of retirees? 😂
Omg! True story 😂
I love you
I will take it 😂 - Joey
wrong. most annoying thing about pickle ball is people that play pickle ball.
Should be I like your videos.
lol
Sooo funny!
Thank you so much!!!!
Everything Pickleball is annoying...
LOL
Most of his logic is complete BS. I'm outta here.
Most annoying thing...Speech impediment hosts..
This is Joey responding. 😂 😂 😂
Ball on court is a safety issue. Even though the player had an easy put away, it would have been bad if the ball had rolled under his feet and he fell with nobody warning him.
Yeah but common sense should come into play as well. If the ball is rolling along the base of the net, it's in zero danger of being stepped on, I say let it go. We had a ball come into our court the other day, behind us, it cut across the back corner and of course we hear "BALL!!" right before we hit a winning shot at the net. And of course, we had to replay the point and we lost the replay, and ended up losing the game 11-8, so it could have made a difference. I understand the safety issue, but if it's nowhere near the players or not in any danger of being stepped on, maybe let it go?
@@CurtPrice Agree. People abuse it to gain advantage.
He went into the kitchen before the ball bounced
It is allowed by the rules
Are you saying I am allowed to enter the kitchen to smash a ball in mid-air before it bounces? Then what is the purpose of a kitchen zone? Where in the rules does it say that? If you’re correct, I’ll start charging the net on every point
@@DougJables No , only if the ball bounces.
The Pickleball Pirates That’s what I said. The guy in the video hit the ball in the kitchen before it bounced. That’s not legal
@@DougJables if you watch again the ball bounces on our side of the net then Sam slams it.