@@Mithrall1 exactly. Plus he has a great hosting voice (you sound sexy DGon) and his sense of humor goes with theirs so even when they go off the rails in the right way he can roll with it
For the coaching point, if some people were dubious about Bjerg (historically one of the best players in NA) becoming a coach, I don't think it's unreasonable to cast some doubt on much lesser players becoming coaches in practically the same way.
Except bjerg was basically known to be coaching tsm himself along with the coaches for multiple years so at least he’s more experienced than swiper and spookz
I respect Dgon immensely for sticking his neck out consistently for the homies like a true bro, but it hurts my heart everytime I see Deftly let Dgon down
Honestly this take needs to be talked about more. The knowledge gap at lower elos is insane. I've played on accounts in gold where people don't know how to freeze let alone when to shove the lane, when to slow push, and when to recall. Super frustrating as a jungler to see people not aware of their waves or where they are in the lane. There needs to be a video when you reach lvl 30 that is mandatory and maybe a quiz or smth that you're forced to take to make sure that people understand this stuff.
Imagine signing almost a full squad and then getting rid of the 1 part taht is actually unique from the rest of the league... That's some esports management right there.
MonteCristo already gave us the answer. None of this is Papasmithy or Ryoma's fault because of secret behind the scenes things. But trust him, taking Damonte out at 9-3 and putting in Ryoma was the best solution and Damonte would have done worse.
@@joshpointoh They were 8-4. Sven said in his interview that in scrims he did try to replicate doinb style and got slaughtered. People forget that 100T got a lot of wins from just their synergy and allowing the other team to throw. They lost to GG of all teams. The floor of this team was really atrocious. The real issue is that your both options for mid lane is damonte and ryoma. The season is doomed.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg even if they got slaughtered it seems way more worthy practicing than freaking out over, 1. That was scrims, and 2. Its a team play style not a solo person issue only, if even true
So just a thought: bring in analysts with expertise in different roles and go over specific narrow situations such as recalling to spend gold with baron threatened by the other team.
Dgon versus commenters needs some better flame so here we go- The show is awesome and all 3 of these guys work really well together. Did i do it right?
Around 20:00 Obfuscated means it is made unclear. What LS means is that these calls aren't unclear enough to justify needing communication. Players ought to know this clear easy stuff already and just do it. Like in hockey they don't need to constantly be talking to play the team game well. They know how each other play from practice. Communication is only needed when someone is does something the other player doesn't understand.
The role you're talking about at the end is General Managers. Issue is that are teams willing to pay them fairly to do that type of work. Right now it may be a monetary thing where they just wouldn't be paid fairly enough.
What LS talks about at roughly 29:00 relates to something I learned in college about motivation. You divide motivation into 2 categories, intrinsic and extrinsic. Intrinsic is motivation that comes internally such as fun or whatever else is a motivating factor on a personal level and extrinsic is motivation that comes from external sources, in this case using money. What's really notable is how the two interact with each other on a psychological level when an extrinsic value is assigned to something that previously had an intrinsic value, the extrinsic value can replace it entirely. As a result you end up with money being the only factor motivating people and can causes severe burnout as extrinsic motivators are not good in providing long term motivation.
serious question: Why did dgon stop LS from sharing competent analysts/coaches? I imagine these would be names of individuals who are currently not employed to do this sort of personnel consulting but are qualified...Is it because any teams/orgs who had turned them down or let them go would get upset? Seemed like a free plug, similar to saying X player from Academy is the real deal
I actually thing Dgon has a good point about Tactical and Tristana, for the exact same reason dom says it isn't different. I think that because the champion is easy and has the possibility of resets and a long jump, that Tactical might be too comfortable going in when he really just shouldn't, however there isn't any excuse for the times he's been caught too far up in lane with no support.
It feels like Tactical had to prove himself last year as DLift’s replacement but now there’s no need for him to worry about job security because there’s no native ADC that they’ll replace him with. I’d say it’s complacency.
@@bomnitoperro9422 Aw, did i trigger you? Does it hurt knowing that your favorite player will get replaced? Tactical is doodoo and he will be replaced the second TL gets a chance.
@@bcsinfull nope but is a insensitive and ignorant way of seing a matter i understand that the average ls viewer has 0 capacity to understand this things but asuming so much shit about a person that you domt know... a profesional player with talent
@@bomnitoperro9422 Assume what shit? I'm not assuming anything about Tactical as a person. I'm making an educated guess, based on information thats widely available to everyone. Tactical is middle of the pack/above average adc in NA. That means hes bad on international stage. TL last couple of years were always maxed out on imports. Put 2 and 2 toghether, its not that hard.
I have to admit it bugged me when LS tried to use the word obfuscate. It's a verb. He should have used the word obfuscated, and even then obfuscated usually implies that something was intentionally hidden by someone else. I think the word he was looking for was opaque.
This is before League Franchising and a massive induction of money into LEC and LCS. Also NALCS was considered worse than the other regions such as EU/LCK but there has since passed another 5yrs+ without success beyond whenever pr0lly left with Complexity dissolving into his time coaching H2K. OCE was still worse or nonexistant than NALCS during this period. So No it is still worse than pr0lly scenario.
We need dom and the boys to talk about why poppy smithy hasn’t been investigated by DOM on nepotism. He is clearly favoring ryoma for some odd reason. Both Australian and OPL. Demonte is clearly the better mechanical player and ryoma seems to be destroyed on the champions they think he is better at than demonte. Demonte was the scape goat for the entire team playing like trash. Doesn’t help that Sommday and bot have been inting hard too. Closer hasn’t been performing at top level because of the mid situation. No mid jg synergy at all
@@caimemonteiro3844 i get that he died level 2 to a lb but it is Perkz... ryoma showed he was the worse player this series. Demonte gives carry potential imo. way higher upside
@@ThePolarpop yes you can be sad that they messed up. I as a TSM fan am dissatisfied with their performance. I believed TSM would either win or close a 5-game series. But fundamentally, you cannot be disappointed when you predict a sweep and the team outplays that prediction. That’s the exact opposite of disappointment. It makes no sense for them to preach how poor TSM played after talking about how they were outclassed by TL and C9 anyway.
I thought about this last week and even more so this week. On the topic of coaches and conjecture about why teams/orgs are having issues: I would like to see GMs or even the LCS/Riot have people like LS and Dom to "audit" these teams. Have them sit in on calls and coaching and scrims to see who/what is the problem. It seems like these teams need third party supervision if they actually want to improve, or maybe they don't want to improve and they don't deserve to have a spot in the league.
Edit: right after I finished this they basically brought up the same thing. I really think there should be a system in place like this, maybe not Dom but somebody!
LS double malding at the clip was amazing to watch and listen to.
People undervalue Dgon on this show. He really keeps the show grounded for me
Yeah he is more of an entertainer than an analyst to me and he is good at being a moderator
Different, but needed role
Without Dgon it'd just be Dom and LS raging back and forth. He's a good contrast that keeps the show chill
dGon is a great host 👌
@@Mithrall1 exactly. Plus he has a great hosting voice (you sound sexy DGon) and his sense of humor goes with theirs so even when they go off the rails in the right way he can roll with it
This show has really transformed
2 LS's screaming at the same time was something I didnt know I needed until today xD
Man Zikz is in trouble when Nadeshot remembers we have a league team.
This show is the only thing keeping me interested in pro play. Yall keep it real. Keep up the great work.
💙
this is fax, the synergy from these 3, fcking great stuff
For the coaching point, if some people were dubious about Bjerg (historically one of the best players in NA) becoming a coach, I don't think it's unreasonable to cast some doubt on much lesser players becoming coaches in practically the same way.
Except bjerg was basically known to be coaching tsm himself along with the coaches for multiple years so at least he’s more experienced than swiper and spookz
@@TheOnZiA i dunno if that being true is supposed to be a good thing or not
@@SockLove idk either dude, sounds like a pretty bad situation for bjerg whilst he was playing
I respect Dgon immensely for sticking his neck out consistently for the homies like a true bro, but it hurts my heart everytime I see Deftly let Dgon down
DGon is actually so funny, trully great host!
great episode as always boys! Don't forget the next tierlist
layered ls malding is maybe one of the best moments on this show holy shit
15:34
One the best of LS I ever heard, such a beast
Honestly this take needs to be talked about more. The knowledge gap at lower elos is insane. I've played on accounts in gold where people don't know how to freeze let alone when to shove the lane, when to slow push, and when to recall. Super frustrating as a jungler to see people not aware of their waves or where they are in the lane. There needs to be a video when you reach lvl 30 that is mandatory and maybe a quiz or smth that you're forced to take to make sure that people understand this stuff.
Imagine signing almost a full squad and then getting rid of the 1 part taht is actually unique from the rest of the league... That's some esports management right there.
39:29 imagine if there were 2 LS and they were on the same team, high pressure situation.
The comms:
Just got my morning coffee. Shoutout to all of you guys 👍
Dom needs to let LS into his crack stash. That'll put some pep back in his step.
Love a bit of LS but I can't be the only one who misses Loco and the girlfriend analogies
Honestly loco is a nice guy and he is a good punching bag for jokes. I like him
They should bring him in for 1 take a video, and then flay him.
Tactical just saw the angle no one saw
LMAO
LS took facecheck too literal with the surgery
How does this not have more likes smh
Lmaooo
That LS combo rage will go down as legendary
Been waiting for this bad boy since yesterday
The double LS rage was perfect hahaha
I wait for this every week. Another fun one :D
It would be cool to see Damonte being Budget Doinb and playing crazy shit like Nocturne, Kled, Malphite mid
And rumble
Id love it, itd make the tanner time meme so much more cool
Tactical turning into wildturtle they just need to fine him everytime he jumps in lol
Dom doubts DIG with all of his heart and I’m here for it 😂
Ls giving some chinese fiora otp analogy to explain coms and game knowledge < Loco using random teenage gf problems as analogies
Damn this made me miss loco. LS is insufferable
@@Alskdjaa1 Ls grows on ppl, just give it some time, the man is a brain when it comes to game knowledge and ingenuity
@@marakiizanton LOL good one
I think the saying is a “Gm that listens to the fans will end up with the fans” or something like that
I love Dgon's energy. I'm with him, Deftly to the moon!
Coming to hear about the Tommy talk early WidePeepoHappy
WideBweepo
MonteCristo already gave us the answer. None of this is Papasmithy or Ryoma's fault because of secret behind the scenes things. But trust him, taking Damonte out at 9-3 and putting in Ryoma was the best solution and Damonte would have done worse.
100t couldve had a bit of team cohesion with a roaming mid player like damonte, with ryoma they look like a worse C9
@@joshpointoh They were 8-4. Sven said in his interview that in scrims he did try to replicate doinb style and got slaughtered. People forget that 100T got a lot of wins from just their synergy and allowing the other team to throw. They lost to GG of all teams. The floor of this team was really atrocious. The real issue is that your both options for mid lane is damonte and ryoma. The season is doomed.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg even if they got slaughtered it seems way more worthy practicing than freaking out over, 1. That was scrims, and 2. Its a team play style not a solo person issue only, if even true
2 LSs in one clip pure gold
"Good the LS laugh works too" you slick bastard dGon
So just a thought: bring in analysts with expertise in different roles and go over specific narrow situations such as recalling to spend gold with baron threatened by the other team.
Yes the most niche and complex scenario
@@scottybassman not so niche. Depending on comp could be any time after 20 minutes of game time. More commonly around 24-25 minutes
Dgon versus commenters needs some better flame so here we go-
The show is awesome and all 3 of these guys work really well together.
Did i do it right?
LS saying Zug Zug had me dying lmao
"I don't want to go unhinged"
You mean like a 40 minute Skarner rant?
Around 20:00 Obfuscated means it is made unclear. What LS means is that these calls aren't unclear enough to justify needing communication. Players ought to know this clear easy stuff already and just do it. Like in hockey they don't need to constantly be talking to play the team game well. They know how each other play from practice. Communication is only needed when someone is does something the other player doesn't understand.
So we went litterally stinky to likes surgery in a week I like it
LS just hit the nail on the head about the team communication
Im here for the LS malding duet
The role you're talking about at the end is General Managers. Issue is that are teams willing to pay them fairly to do that type of work. Right now it may be a monetary thing where they just wouldn't be paid fairly enough.
Can’t wait for tommy vs soligo
Oh boy, I forgot Dig has Soligo now. My eyes are burning preemptively.
didnt catch it live this week, finally hereeeee
This picture of LS is just to funny xD he looks so goofy xD
LS aka Loves Slovenians
What LS talks about at roughly 29:00 relates to something I learned in college about motivation. You divide motivation into 2 categories, intrinsic and extrinsic. Intrinsic is motivation that comes internally such as fun or whatever else is a motivating factor on a personal level and extrinsic is motivation that comes from external sources, in this case using money.
What's really notable is how the two interact with each other on a psychological level when an extrinsic value is assigned to something that previously had an intrinsic value, the extrinsic value can replace it entirely. As a result you end up with money being the only factor motivating people and can causes severe burnout as extrinsic motivators are not good in providing long term motivation.
I legitimately believed the soundboard LS thing and went to listen to EUphoria after 40 seconds cuz I didn't wanna listen to a IWD DGON dialogue. 😂
Thanks friends. Remember west coast League servers? I do.
Early algorithm squad
Tactical reply to a comment for the algorithm.
SPANISH
“Deftly taking NA to worlds”-dgon 1:01:29 say that slowly one more time
Never stop
Dom: old 100T playstyle worked better for them
LS: scaling good, earlygame bad hurr durr
Love ls malding over ls
Tactical should honestly be banned from ever picking Tristana after that performance.
Hop into a cold shower with LS. Aaaaaaah yeaaaah
So did LS showered today ? :D
We can neither confirm nor deny this
@@VENNEsports Oh no, propably thats why he has no webcam :D love you guys
Likely Smelly
@@radekhruby142 he said he had plastic surgery and the medication made him feel weird. you i assume you would see the effects on webcam.
@@guisteh11 I know I was just joking.
Get the show on spotify
You're welcome. My pleasure man.
Hey everyone it’s LS
May have just flunked out of my degree in the final semester like Dom but at least I have this show
Can I listen to this in Spotify or anything? Please someone help me
Love it. But show was even better with Zirene on it. Sad to see they could not keep the talent.
Tactical Malphite Tristana or CodySun's Traitor Tristana, which one is more memeable?
I want robo LS now for every episode.
Tsm vs EG series depends on which 8 teams show up
100 hamburglars is a pretty hot meme
Had a great time watching this on my birthday real nice present (not trolling really enjoy show)
I agree with LS if you have 5 intelligent players comms do not contribute much to them winning except maybe in some very rare clutch decisions
39:30 LsOverloadLsOverloadLsOverloadLsOverloadLsOverloadLsOverload
serious question: Why did dgon stop LS from sharing competent analysts/coaches? I imagine these would be names of individuals who are currently not employed to do this sort of personnel consulting but are qualified...Is it because any teams/orgs who had turned them down or let them go would get upset? Seemed like a free plug, similar to saying X player from Academy is the real deal
Deftly time baby!
I actually thing Dgon has a good point about Tactical and Tristana, for the exact same reason dom says it isn't different. I think that because the champion is easy and has the possibility of resets and a long jump, that Tactical might be too comfortable going in when he really just shouldn't, however there isn't any excuse for the times he's been caught too far up in lane with no support.
LS aka Last Shower is a league of legends streamer
It feels like Tactical had to prove himself last year as DLift’s replacement but now there’s no need for him to worry about job security because there’s no native ADC that they’ll replace him with. I’d say it’s complacency.
TL will just teplace him with an import when CoreJJ gets his green card.
You are asuming too much shit to not even being a profesional player.
@@bomnitoperro9422 Aw, did i trigger you? Does it hurt knowing that your favorite player will get replaced? Tactical is doodoo and he will be replaced the second TL gets a chance.
@@bcsinfull nope but is a insensitive and ignorant way of seing a matter i understand that the average ls viewer has 0 capacity to understand this things but asuming so much shit about a person that you domt know... a profesional player with talent
@@bomnitoperro9422 Assume what shit? I'm not assuming anything about Tactical as a person. I'm making an educated guess, based on information thats widely available to everyone. Tactical is middle of the pack/above average adc in NA. That means hes bad on international stage. TL last couple of years were always maxed out on imports. Put 2 and 2 toghether, its not that hard.
When do we get Facecheck for LEC
When LEC deserves to be roasted non-stop for 2 hours straight.
Nobody ever asks DGon what he has going on this weekend. :( DGon what do you have going on this weekend??
Total time 1:23:45 POG
LS malding^2. 40:00
I have to admit it bugged me when LS tried to use the word obfuscate. It's a verb. He should have used the word obfuscated, and even then obfuscated usually implies that something was intentionally hidden by someone else. I think the word he was looking for was opaque.
yes
How ziks is employed still is confusing.
I miss the random girlfriend analogies
1:17:51 "Bro I like scream and like do crack."
I honestly don't understand how you can stand LS xd love the rest of the content tho
1:05:35 I get what Dom is saying and I generally agree especially wrt OCE players/coaches but Pr0lly was exactly this lol
Didn't Pr0lly get picked up before H2K got into EU LCS? Also that was before teams had their own "academy" teams no?
@@marc6467 Also, this was a long time ago before any coaches had really established themselves.
This is before League Franchising and a massive induction of money into LEC and LCS.
Also NALCS was considered worse than the other regions such as EU/LCK but there has since passed another 5yrs+ without success beyond whenever pr0lly left with Complexity dissolving into his time coaching H2K.
OCE was still worse or nonexistant than NALCS during this period.
So No it is still worse than pr0lly scenario.
Can LS please say AYEtrox not AAAHtrox
Wasn't Spica banned from playing Olaf last year? Maybe he should get back on Shen and they'll be good again.
Stan Dgon ❤️
Im going with my boi Dgon deftly rocket to the moon
33:55 LMAO poor Tommy
17:00 pro's running into Yami in NA be like
We need dom and the boys to talk about why poppy smithy hasn’t been investigated by DOM on nepotism. He is clearly favoring ryoma for some odd reason. Both Australian and OPL. Demonte is clearly the better mechanical player and ryoma seems to be destroyed on the champions they think he is better at than demonte. Demonte was the scape goat for the entire team playing like trash. Doesn’t help that Sommday and bot have been inting hard too. Closer hasn’t been performing at top level because of the mid situation. No mid jg synergy at all
damonte probably benched because perkz said he was bad and proceeded to trash him in that one game.
@@caimemonteiro3844 i get that he died level 2 to a lb but it is Perkz... ryoma showed he was the worse player this series. Demonte gives carry potential imo. way higher upside
How did TSM disappoint when Facecheck predicted 3-0 TL??
well just cuz they expected them to fuck up doesn't mean they cant be sad they did, also, its about how they lose and how clean it was
@@ThePolarpop yes you can be sad that they messed up. I as a TSM fan am dissatisfied with their performance. I believed TSM would either win or close a 5-game series.
But fundamentally, you cannot be disappointed when you predict a sweep and the team outplays that prediction. That’s the exact opposite of disappointment. It makes no sense for them to preach how poor TSM played after talking about how they were outclassed by TL and C9 anyway.
Dom give me some crack please, stop hoarding it all
I thought about this last week and even more so this week.
On the topic of coaches and conjecture about why teams/orgs are having issues:
I would like to see GMs or even the LCS/Riot have people like LS and Dom to "audit" these teams.
Have them sit in on calls and coaching and scrims to see who/what is the problem. It seems like these teams need third party supervision if they actually want to improve, or maybe they don't want to improve and they don't deserve to have a spot in the league.
Edit: right after I finished this they basically brought up the same thing. I really think there should be a system in place like this, maybe not Dom but somebody!
How old are you?
thank uu
100 SINS !
AH - FEW - SKATE
MMMYES Smartge
They have one and put him on academy
Note to self: LS use big wordy to sound like smarty pants
You can't fault him. He really thinks he's intelligent.
@@bloodsN you are just not intelligent enough to understand how intelligent he is.
@@aeroshv23 You're dumb enough to believe he's smart.
@@bloodsN Jesus Christ do you know what sarcasm is?
1:11:08 not true: you need nepotism and connections to become a coach. Checkmate.