Sir, I clicked the like button after only being 6 minutes into the video. Thank you so much. I'm learning how to implement the P16 into my church audio system and you made this as easy as taking a breath. Thanks again!
After 7 years your video still helping us. So thank you very much. Toward the end of the video, I noticed that you routed the last ultranet/P16 channel (16) to Monitor and then Talkback. Talkback A and B are only showing busses and the P16. So how do you talkback to one of the P16 channels please?
I recommend using the last available buses for the P16: If you have to throw some wedges up for a guest speaker/musician, those mixes start at bus 1 as would be the norm.
Great video. I just ran across the exact thing with a drummer at church and unfortunately I wasn't clear on even how to adjust the mix he was getting at the P16. Being a church volunteer and only getting to touch the board a couple Sundays a month doesn't help much with the learning curve, especially when most of the time is spent trying to get things sounding good and not really learning the board. RUclips to the rescue once again.
@@drlanford sorry if I already asked this but i wasn’t sure if this would directly get to you I need to get reverb to my 1st 4 channels on p16 any thoughts
I would make the bus sends pre-fader to the P16. This would: Eliminate the possibility of the mixperson inadvertently adjusting the level; Allow the mixperson to use the bus to the house mix instead of the channels to the mix.
It depends. If the mix person would like control over the overall bus volume (me) then keep it post. If not, or you have inexperienced mix people, then yes, pre. Also, I'd caution against using any bus for both the house mix and monitors. If the band wants a change in that bus, you'll have to change the house mix too and vice versa. Again, if you're cool with that, then do it. I just know I'm not a fan of chasing my tail when mixing. Same goes for changing gains after soundcheck. Don't. It changes your mix AND their mix. Get it right the first time and leave it.
Thank you for this very informative video. Behringer (Mus!c Tribe) sent me the link. You mentioned going to the ultranet tab on routing which sends the signals out the ultranet connector on the back of console. Does this also by default send the same signals out of the ultranet jack on the stagebox? That’s what I’m looking for because I’m hooking a P16 up on stage. I was hoping the routing explanation would mention that little fact but I didn’t see it. Appreciate clarification on this issue. Thanks.
By default, yes. But only if the the AES50 outs to that box have the two P16 blocks sent to them. It's easy to unroute this as the default and not know it.
Hello, this video was very informational, thanks. What would be the cause of say the lead mike bleeding over into the keyboard channel. Instead of hear just the keys you hear both keys and vocal.
Are you hearing it when the channel is soloed? If they're going to the same effect the effect output will have both sounds. Try without an effect if that's the case.
Could be lots of issues, really. Check and double check your routing. Then start muting things on the P16 to see if it goes away. If one channel makes both keys and voc go away, then your issue is at the console and is likely not a P16 routing issue (could be another routing issue though).
Hi Daniel. Thank you very much for your video which is really useful and important for me. I have to ask you something very important: I need to send to the P16M personal mixers, the available channels already summed with the effects, and especially the lead vocals. I can't find this exact setting, as the signals going into the P16M personal mixers are currently without effects. Thanks in advance if you can help me with this problem.
Is there a way to route the output of a stage box to be controlled by the P16M? The reason I'm asking is I want to put the outputs on wireless IEMs, and I would like to keep from running extra cables to and from the P16Ms to our wireless system in the rack...
Two things... we would like to mix our 8 channels of drums including gates, panning, EQ and effects into two channels on the P16m...that would be a great video project please? Then, can you send the vocal mic with effects to a channel on the p16m?
to get the drums panned and eq to the p16, you have to send them "post fade" to a stereo bus (with the eq on the bus), then send the stereo bus to the p16 (but sine it's stereo it will take up 2 channels on the p16). to get effects you have to send the "FX Returns" (on the Aux-FX page on your mixer) to the bus that you have the drums sent to. you can use the FX sends but you won't get any effects, effects sounds only come through the "returns"
I know this was 5 years ago but my question is my first 4 channels on the p16 are vocals how to i put effects (reverb) on that so my vocalist hears it on the p16 Thanks, Dave😊
i haven't tried the logistics of it, but maybe if you bus the vocal by itself, and then run effects through the bus, and then send it post fader maybe it'll work? im not sure. in my opinion, i dont think you should send effects to someone's ears because it can throw them off. (but if you know what youre doing, by all means)
Hey quick question... Is there anyway to add volume to the p-16s with the gain knob without it affecting the main?? The problem we run into is a lot of the time.... I can have a really good mix with drums, acoustics/guitars, keys, and back track and then for whatever reason. My vocal sounds HORRIBLE. I do turn everything down so I have the vocals on top of the mix. And then I ask to turn the gain up on the board so I can have vocal and usually the sound guy says no because then vocals will clip in the main. Any suggestion on how I can turn that vocal up with gain without affecting the main?? Maybe a bus then??
I was hoping you would address how to send vocal FX to the p16. Maybe I missed that but I would think they would be there if you are sending a post fader mix. Currently we were told that it cannot be done but I am not convinced.
Yes. This can, in fact, be accomplished. However, sending a vocal post fader will NOT get you what you want. This will only send what comes out of that specific channel (vocal only after all gating, compression, EQ and fader level...this is not what you want). You will need to route the needed FX returns to an open channel on the P16. The FX returns are found in the "Output Signal" list (see them listed "DirOut FX1L", etc. @3:06). The P16 users can then dial in their desired FX levels (provided the mixing person has set the FX sends and settings correctly for the house).
Walter Johnson I believe his allow for a fx to permeate the whole mix using mix using a channel on the p16. I believe you can also use a an fx insert on a mix bus with the vocal. I'm trying to find a solution to the same problem
Hey nice video thanks! My only question is if I set up p16s does the Ethernet cable have to be shielded or not? I know AES does but does the ultra net also have to be? Running a distance of about 150ft
Thanks! Behringer HIGHLY recommends using shielded cat5e cables. However, on short runs, this, from my experience, is not necessary. It is environment dependent. For runs longer than a few feet, use shielded cables or you run this risk of dropouts during a program.
Hey Daniel...of course we have TurboSound Q15's for main house left and right...can you send left and right digitally to these speakers without taking up a p16 channel or does every speaker or out have to be assigned in one of the 16 channels for Ultranet signal to get to front of house?
I hate sending mic bus drums to IEMs cause that’s one mix for all and everyone wants to hear the drums differently in their IEM. I found out sending the kick, snare and stereo overhead to each channel on the P16M works better…
What do i do when the first 6 channels for P16 outputs already have "saved" outputs? Like output 1&2 have left and right main FOH sound. And when i try to change it, no sound comes out of the FOH but I can hear it on the P16 in ear.
I actually prefer this method since the musicians get a cleaner default mix (it has my EQ settings from the console, which tend to clean things up). BUT (and big) whatever I change for the house mix also changes what they hear in their P16 mix. This setting works well for bands that are the same-ish all the time so your previous mix settings from the last gig are close to what they need to be for this gig so when they go to adjust their ears during rehearsal, it stays close when I start adjusting for the house mix.
Thanks for the super helpful video! We want to run our keys and ableton tracks in the house in stereo but we want them as a single channel in the P16. It sounds like we would have to run the L and R channels through a mix bus and then route the mix bus through the P16. Is this correct or is there another way to do this?
You can either do that OR simply run one of the sides direct to the P16. As long as you don't have stuff panned hard, you'll get all the things. OR OR...if that doesn't work and you're out of busses, you can send a third track that's pre L/R summed from the computer to the console provided you have another console channel and send that to only the P16 system. The solution you choose depends on your equipment and channel/bus limitations.They'll all do the job well.
Quick question Could I send out 16 channels to a P16 (so all 16 busses) & also send out to some wedges with a different mix in the wedges? Also, if I send out to p16 some vocals & they want reverb in their IEMs, should I send reverb down the same line as the vocal or to a separate line in the p16? Your video is super helpful & thank you 🙏
Just to clarify with the wedges Although the P16 is connected and all 16 channels being used for a large 10piece band IEM mix, I still have the idea judicial XLR outputs which I’d like to use to create separate monitor mixes for some other out purposes sources such as a live stream mix, FOH mix, separate room mix etc
Like your video on the P16. My question is how can you turn up an individuals volume if they cannot hear (as loud as they need) themselves in the P16 and their gain is all the way up?
First, have them turn down each of the other channels on their personal P-16. Most of the time that will do it. We musicians tend to set the p-16 channels to high to begin with and run out of headroom. If that doesn't do it then your gain structure on the X-32 may not be balanced. If that is the case you can turn up the input (pre-amp) gain for that channel and adjust it back down with the fader for the house mix. So if the guitar player has everyone turned down low in his/her P-16, and the guitar channel all the way up on his/her P-16, AND they still can't hear the guitar very well, then select the guitar channel on the X-32 and turn up the pre-amp knob (top left of the board). Then readjust the fader down as necessary for the house mix. I hope I stated that clearly :/. P.S. I'm not super thrilled with the volume the P-16's put out to headphones. Another solution might be to get headphone amps for each of the P-16's. That would give the user more room to make the mix and still have plenty of output volume for the headphones.
Also (in addition to Guy) make sure your limiter knob is properly adjusted. If it's lighting up, it's limiting. Adjust this to see if this fixes it. Make sure the main channel volume is up (press the "MAIN" button, then use the channel volume knob. Make sure also that channel isn't grouped into a group that's turned down on the P16. But, Most likely, as Guy said, it's a volume problem with the other channels on the P16 or it's a gain structure problem on the console.
How do I assign a stereo bus mix. My drummer has L & R O/H and three toms placed in the mix from left to right. How can I place these in 2 channels in the P16 (Panned Left and Right) please.
Send one bus (Left channel) to one channel on the P16 (use an odd channel), then send the other bus (right channel) to the adjacent channel on the P16. You can then link and pan the channels on EACH P16 mixer (you have to do it on each P16 mixer. It's not that smart.)
Will this set up (Config) be the same for all p16s in use? Say, I have a p16 for my drummer, EG, AG, Bass, Lead Voc, BGVS, and Keyboard player. Will the 16 Channels that I have set up on the "Ultranet" tab, apply to all my p16's or can I vary with them all? In other words have the channels that each musician/vocalist desires? I hope I explained myself well. Thanks in advance! - Javier M
Yes. Whatever you route to the P16 system will be the same for all P16's on the same system. You can't pick and choose which P16's have what channels. Either all of them have a channel or none of them have that channel.
The only way to do this is to route the vocals with the effects already mixed in from a bus. But they wouldn't be adjustable from the P16. You could also route the dry vocal and the 100% vocal effect for just that vocal, but then you'd burn two P16 channels.
so what the guy above is saying, send the vocals to a bus and to an effects channel at the same time, then send the "effects returns" for that fx to the same bus you're using the vocals on (so copy the vocals and effects returns to the bus) then send that bus to your p16.
How would I send a 100% wet signal from a reverb or delay to a P16-M so the singer can control the amount of verb or DDL they hear on their headphone mix?
maybe by routing the verb bus (100% wet) through a seperate channel. i'll update once i have my hands on our system that will arrive this week if i can remember it. will be checking it out on the weekend
Hi! Can i use both inear and floor monitors ( i´m a drummer and needs the bottoms) and if i want the click in my eras but not in the wedges. Solutions?
There are a few options you can go with on that one. The first is have two P16s. One for your ears, another for the wedges/sub. However, this may not be feasible for your budget. The second is just use one P16 and use only the left or right channel for your ears and the other channel for the wedge. This solution only leaves you with a mono ears channel, and you'll have to split the headphone out on the P16 into separate left and rights, but it'll get the job done. Pan all 16 channels to the ears side (except for the click), get the mix right in your ears, THEN (and only then) ease the pan knob closer to the wedge side for the channels you need for the bottom end. (click read more!) For either solution, use the line out jacks on the P16 to send signal to the wedge. Do not use the headphone jack for this. Also, only send the instruments you need the low end for to the wedge/sub. If you can hear it ok in your ears, don't send it to the wedge. This will keep stage noise down and everyone will thank you for it. Especially the sound guy.
If you have more than 1 P16, can you set each separately or is it one setting for a all P 16? Also when you set up a drum bus, how do you prevent that bus from coming into the house?
I think it's one output to all of them (they can be daisy-chained). buses do not go to main mix, you'd have to purposely send them there. buses are for monitors really (Aux out on the analogue mixers) so you'd have to do something really good or really bad to get them to go on the main out.
All P16 mixers that are connected to the same network will have the same 16 signals sent to them. Each of these 16 signals can be adjusted individually on each P16 mixer for volume and EQ using the volume knob and the low/high shelves and sweepable freq EQ knobs. Buses are used for all sorts of things. Many of these purposes do involve sending the bus output to the house mix to add another layer of excellence (hopefully) to your mix. In this case, as you alluded to, you don’t want the bus sent to the house. To assign/unassign the bus to the house, select the bus and press the “Stereo Bus” button below the pan knob. Be sure the “Mono Bus” is unlit as well. You can do this with channels as well (think: click and talkback and helper tracks, etc)
Send one bus (Left channel) to one channel on the P16 (use an odd channel), then send the other bus (right channel) to the adjacent channel on the P16. You can then link and pan the channels on EACH P16 mixer (you have to do it on each P16 mixer. It's not that smart.)
if you already have a stereo bus set up, then you send each bus to a channel on the p16. so the left side would go to one chanel and the right bus would go to another chanel (on your p16)
I noticed you had the Nord as 1 channel (mono signal). What if you have a Stereo signal coming in for your nord (say channel 15-16) how would you route that to 1 P16 channel?
You would need to eat up 2 of the 16 slots for the Nord. Then when you get to the P16 itself group the two channels and label each channel Nord L and Nord R
Can you give me a list of steps to put a click track in the monitors only? Also putting the track on a different channel in the monitors AND the house? Thanks
You'd just feed all those inputs to different channels on the console and route them where you want them to go. Just make sure the stereo bus is unselected on the click...house doesn't wanna hear that ever. hah
Lets say i have 6 p16’s and i want to take out the onstage talk back mic from one of the p16’s. Can i remove a routed channel from just one of the p16’s or will that remove that route from the whole p16 system?
Question. I did all this on our console. However, the p16's on the platform are still copying channels 1-16 of the console. So the routing under ultranet routing is routed with buses and all the ways we want it. But on the p16's, it straight 1-16 of the console. solutions?
It could be the P16s are not connected to the P16 Monitoring System jack on either the console or the digital snake (and accidentally connected to the AES50 jack). Also, if the P16 system is getting its signal from a digital snake, make sure the P16 channels are routed down the appropriate AES50 channel. If the P16 routing isn't sent down the AES50 line, the snake won't know what to send to the P16 system (so I'd imagine it'd just send the first 16 channels it gets). Let me know what you find out as I've never had this issue.
It depends on what you need. Some are ok with having all on one P16 channel. Some aren't. If you have extra P16 channels to burn, put them separately or all of one group (altos, sop, etc.) on one channel and then another on the next, etc.
Hello everyone...i am having problems with my p16 and my singers... they complain about not been able to hear themselves loud enough....but the more i raise my gain it affects FOH. I figured maybe im routing wrong...idk what else it can be.
This is (likely) a gain structure issue. Adjust the gain properly then re-adjust the house mix. If you already have a strong signal at FOH, then make sure they're adjusting their P16's correctly. Make sure the "MAIN" channel is up all the way and have them turn down the other instruments significantly, then turn the main volume level up (top right knob) to compensate. This will effectively turn their vocals up and leave the instruments the same.
Yes and no. It's a give and take. If everyone wants the same mix in that stereo mix bus, then yea that's a good way to go, but most likely people will want more of something someone else wants less of and you can't adjust for that with stereo mix busses sent to the P16.
I have watched 100 videos now on how to hook up a single S16 to a X32 . I have the input part down . I go yo The router page and pick AES60 , 1-8 , The go to AES50 9 - 16 .. That I have . Now what I don't have is HOW do I get the Outputs on the S16 to end up as 1-6 be the Monitor outs for 6 Mixes and then have 7 and 8 end up as my Left and Right ? Now on the back of the X32 by default AUX 1-8 are the monitor sends Then 9 - 13 are more AUXs out , BUT AUX 15 and 16 are by default your House Left and Right . SO HOW do I get 7/8 on the S16 to be 15/16 ? I have a spare S32 and hooked it up to the X32 and it worked great . But the Church I am doing this all for (FREE) Does not have the money to buy the S32 and have to stay with the S16 for now . There has to be a way to route 15/16 to 7/8 of the S16 ... Remember they only have ONE S16 ... WHY the person who sold them the board did that I will never understand . HELP PLEASE ..You can e-mail me @ ctm4metoo@aol.com
I wanted to have the full first fader layer for non-drum instruments. I hate swapping back and forth between layers and the drums are the channels I adjust least frequently.
@@drlanford that makes more sense but for most engineer setups, the drums go first because they are the lease changeable channels (meaning you won't plug them in and out as much as the microphones or anything else) so put them first starting with kick, then the rest of instruments, then the vocals. one other main reason for this is when you're using those large analogue consoles- most engineers are right-handed and the consoles are set with the main on the right so we usually stand to the centre of the console with the vocals in front of us and the drums keep all the way to the left where we go less frequently. that same setup is brought onto digital consoles.
To control the mixer via computer (x32 edit), or if you use the USB on the "remote" section, it can be used to control your DAW (digital audio workstation), so fruity loops, ableton live, all those apps.
My first time using the X32 (second time seeing one) it was at a Gospel convert, i was sent on the stage to sit in front of a large 1440p monitor that was hooked up to a desktop computer running X32 Edit, that's the program i used to control the monitors on the stage (we were using 8 or 9). it's free, but you'll have to get a version that matches the firmware on your mixer.
IMHO the de-esser insert in the M32/X32/WING line is unusable. It’s horribly slow and has no useful adjustments. I choose to use the channel compressor with a key filter targeting the offending freqs and an inserted compressor for normal compression. Works decently well.
Maybe you fixed it already. But when you recall a scene, have "routing safe" on on the right side of the scenes screen for that scene. When you load it, it won't override the last routing settings then.
Sir, I clicked the like button after only being 6 minutes into the video. Thank you so much. I'm learning how to implement the P16 into my church audio system and you made this as easy as taking a breath. Thanks again!
Hey thanks!
Thank you for this! My church uses the x32/p16 combo, and this was super helpful.
Still helpful, 5 years later. Thank you!
After 7 years your video still helping us. So thank you very much. Toward the end of the video, I noticed that you routed the last ultranet/P16 channel (16) to Monitor and then Talkback. Talkback A and B are only showing busses and the P16. So how do you talkback to one of the P16 channels please?
Thank you so much for these! Will you guys be making an updated version for V4 firmware on the X32?
I recommend using the last available buses for the P16: If you have to throw some wedges up for a guest speaker/musician, those mixes start at bus 1 as would be the norm.
Great info!! QUESTION? Is there a super simple way to send reverb to the p16?
You ever figure this out? I’m trying now and can’t seem to send a reverb bus to the p16. Everything else is sending fine.
@@KyleBevis-u7j not really.
I feel like there should be way to send your channels with all effects to the p16
@@eriksmallwood maybe route all effects to an aux or matrix, then send it through a p16 bus?
Great video. I just ran across the exact thing with a drummer at church and unfortunately I wasn't clear on even how to adjust the mix he was getting at the P16. Being a church volunteer and only getting to touch the board a couple Sundays a month doesn't help much with the learning curve, especially when most of the time is spent trying to get things sounding good and not really learning the board. RUclips to the rescue once again.
Awesome! Glad I could help.
@@drlanford sorry if I already asked this but i wasn’t sure if this would directly get to you
I need to get reverb to my 1st 4 channels on p16 any thoughts
Very good video! Thank you!
Now, is there a way to send an Aux-In channel to the P16?
Hello nice video I want to ask how we send fx in P16, group the fx return on a mixbus and send them in ?
this was helpful i absolutely hate the p16 they always suck but some band members cant survive without them
how do you set up mix buses
I would make the bus sends pre-fader to the P16. This would: Eliminate the possibility of the mixperson inadvertently adjusting the level; Allow the mixperson to use the bus to the house mix instead of the channels to the mix.
It depends. If the mix person would like control over the overall bus volume (me) then keep it post. If not, or you have inexperienced mix people, then yes, pre. Also, I'd caution against using any bus for both the house mix and monitors. If the band wants a change in that bus, you'll have to change the house mix too and vice versa. Again, if you're cool with that, then do it. I just know I'm not a fan of chasing my tail when mixing. Same goes for changing gains after soundcheck. Don't. It changes your mix AND their mix. Get it right the first time and leave it.
Life saving video🙌🏼
Thanks for doing this, great video I hope wherever you'reworking you get a huge raise
YA$$$$. You're super welcome mate.
thank you for all this and can you explain more about volume up to P 16? plz
Thank you for this very informative video. Behringer (Mus!c Tribe) sent me the link. You mentioned going to the ultranet tab on routing which sends the signals out the ultranet connector on the back of console. Does this also by default send the same signals out of the ultranet jack on the stagebox? That’s what I’m looking for because I’m hooking a P16 up on stage. I was hoping the routing explanation would mention that little fact but I didn’t see it. Appreciate clarification on this issue. Thanks.
By default, yes. But only if the the AES50 outs to that box have the two P16 blocks sent to them. It's easy to unroute this as the default and not know it.
Hello, this video was very informational, thanks. What would be the cause of say the lead mike bleeding over into the keyboard channel. Instead of hear just the keys you hear both keys and vocal.
Are you hearing it when the channel is soloed? If they're going to the same effect the effect output will have both sounds. Try without an effect if that's the case.
Could be lots of issues, really. Check and double check your routing. Then start muting things on the P16 to see if it goes away. If one channel makes both keys and voc go away, then your issue is at the console and is likely not a P16 routing issue (could be another routing issue though).
Hi Daniel. Thank you very much for your video which is really useful and important for me. I have to ask you something very important: I need to send to the P16M personal mixers, the available channels already summed with the effects, and especially the lead vocals. I can't find this exact setting, as the signals going into the P16M personal mixers are currently without effects. Thanks in advance if you can help me with this problem.
Is there a way to route the output of a stage box to be controlled by the P16M? The reason I'm asking is I want to put the outputs on wireless IEMs, and I would like to keep from running extra cables to and from the P16Ms to our wireless system in the rack...
Two things... we would like to mix our 8 channels of drums including gates, panning, EQ and effects into two channels on the P16m...that would be a great video project please? Then, can you send the vocal mic with effects to a channel on the p16m?
to get the drums panned and eq to the p16, you have to send them "post fade" to a stereo bus (with the eq on the bus), then send the stereo bus to the p16 (but sine it's stereo it will take up 2 channels on the p16). to get effects you have to send the "FX Returns" (on the Aux-FX page on your mixer) to the bus that you have the drums sent to. you can use the FX sends but you won't get any effects, effects sounds only come through the "returns"
I think the "+ M" means "mute". If you mute a channel at the mixer its gonna be muted at the p16 too.
Did your on stage Worship Team members experience much of a learning curve when first introduced to the P16 and its operational process?
I know this was 5 years ago but my question is my first 4 channels on the p16 are vocals how to i put effects (reverb) on that so my vocalist hears it on the p16
Thanks,
Dave😊
i haven't tried the logistics of it, but maybe if you bus the vocal by itself, and then run effects through the bus, and then send it post fader maybe it'll work? im not sure. in my opinion, i dont think you should send effects to someone's ears because it can throw them off. (but if you know what youre doing, by all means)
Hoiw do you take out a channel from the p16 output for example Kick drum and replace it with something else? Thanks a lot
Hey quick question... Is there anyway to add volume to the p-16s with the gain knob without it affecting the main?? The problem we run into is a lot of the time.... I can have a really good mix with drums, acoustics/guitars, keys, and back track and then for whatever reason. My vocal sounds HORRIBLE. I do turn everything down so I have the vocals on top of the mix. And then I ask to turn the gain up on the board so I can have vocal and usually the sound guy says no because then vocals will clip in the main. Any suggestion on how I can turn that vocal up with gain without affecting the main?? Maybe a bus then??
Great info! Exactly what I was looking for!
Brandon and Nicole DiBianca jhhh
I was hoping you would address how to send vocal FX to the p16. Maybe I missed that but I would think they would be there if you are sending a post fader mix. Currently we were told that it cannot be done but I am not convinced.
I would like for you to address FX in the P16m as well...
Yes. This can, in fact, be accomplished. However, sending a vocal post fader will NOT get you what you want. This will only send what comes out of that specific channel (vocal only after all gating, compression, EQ and fader level...this is not what you want). You will need to route the needed FX returns to an open channel on the P16. The FX returns are found in the "Output Signal" list (see them listed "DirOut FX1L", etc. @3:06). The P16 users can then dial in their desired FX levels (provided the mixing person has set the FX sends and settings correctly for the house).
drlanford Huh? Is there another video or web page out there that specifically trains on pushing effects to P16? I'm not finding much. Thanks.
Walter Johnson I believe his allow for a fx to permeate the whole mix using mix using a channel on the p16. I believe you can also use a an fx insert on a mix bus with the vocal. I'm trying to find a solution to the same problem
Hey nice video thanks! My only question is if I set up p16s does the Ethernet cable have to be shielded or not? I know AES does but does the ultra net also have to be? Running a distance of about 150ft
Thanks! Behringer HIGHLY recommends using shielded cat5e cables. However, on short runs, this, from my experience, is not necessary. It is environment dependent. For runs longer than a few feet, use shielded cables or you run this risk of dropouts during a program.
Hey Daniel...of course we have TurboSound Q15's for main house left and right...can you send left and right digitally to these speakers without taking up a p16 channel or does every speaker or out have to be assigned in one of the 16 channels for Ultranet signal to get to front of house?
great video. very helpful. Thanks
I hate sending mic bus drums to IEMs cause that’s one mix for all and everyone wants to hear the drums differently in their IEM. I found out sending the kick, snare and stereo overhead to each channel on the P16M works better…
Very well explain, thank you
This was an amazing vid
looking to make a stereo drums mix instead of individual channels. How would I go about sending a stereo mix bus to 2 separate channels on the p16s?
GREAT VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW I CAN SEND FX IN P16???
this video is super helpful! thanks!
Thank you
Thank you so much for this vid!!! 👍🏼
i guess it's kinda randomly asking but does anybody know a good site to stream newly released movies online?
@Ryder Julien i would suggest flixzone. You can find it by googling =)
@Ryder Julien Try FlixZone. Just google for it =)
What do i do when the first 6 channels for P16 outputs already have "saved" outputs? Like output 1&2 have left and right main FOH sound. And when i try to change it, no sound comes out of the FOH but I can hear it on the P16 in ear.
Great video! Question tho what's wrong with sending PostEQ/PreFader to the p16 that way musicians can hear what they are getting in the house
I actually prefer this method since the musicians get a cleaner default mix (it has my EQ settings from the console, which tend to clean things up). BUT (and big) whatever I change for the house mix also changes what they hear in their P16 mix. This setting works well for bands that are the same-ish all the time so your previous mix settings from the last gig are close to what they need to be for this gig so when they go to adjust their ears during rehearsal, it stays close when I start adjusting for the house mix.
Thanks for the super helpful video! We want to run our keys and ableton tracks in the house in stereo but we want them as a single channel in the P16. It sounds like we would have to run the L and R channels through a mix bus and then route the mix bus through the P16. Is this correct or is there another way to do this?
You can either do that OR simply run one of the sides direct to the P16. As long as you don't have stuff panned hard, you'll get all the things. OR OR...if that doesn't work and you're out of busses, you can send a third track that's pre L/R summed from the computer to the console provided you have another console channel and send that to only the P16 system. The solution you choose depends on your equipment and channel/bus limitations.They'll all do the job well.
Yessss
Where can you get the labels to label the 16 of the instrument are vocals
Quick question
Could I send out 16 channels to a P16 (so all 16 busses) & also send out to some wedges with a different mix in the wedges?
Also, if I send out to p16 some vocals & they want reverb in their IEMs, should I send reverb down the same line as the vocal or to a separate line in the p16?
Your video is super helpful & thank you 🙏
Just to clarify with the wedges
Although the P16 is connected and all 16 channels being used for a large 10piece band IEM mix, I still have the idea judicial XLR outputs which I’d like to use to create separate monitor mixes for some other out purposes sources such as a live stream mix, FOH mix, separate room mix etc
Big ups men
Hey thanks!
Like your video on the P16. My question is how can you turn up an individuals volume if they cannot hear (as loud as they need) themselves in the P16 and their gain is all the way up?
First, have them turn down each of the other channels on their personal P-16. Most of the time that will do it. We musicians tend to set the p-16 channels to high to begin with and run out of headroom. If that doesn't do it then your gain structure on the X-32 may not be balanced. If that is the case you can turn up the input (pre-amp) gain for that channel and adjust it back down with the fader for the house mix. So if the guitar player has everyone turned down low in his/her P-16, and the guitar channel all the way up on his/her P-16, AND they still can't hear the guitar very well, then select the guitar channel on the X-32 and turn up the pre-amp knob (top left of the board). Then readjust the fader down as necessary for the house mix. I hope I stated that clearly :/. P.S. I'm not super thrilled with the volume the P-16's put out to headphones. Another solution might be to get headphone amps for each of the P-16's. That would give the user more room to make the mix and still have plenty of output volume for the headphones.
Also (in addition to Guy) make sure your limiter knob is properly adjusted. If it's lighting up, it's limiting. Adjust this to see if this fixes it. Make sure the main channel volume is up (press the "MAIN" button, then use the channel volume knob. Make sure also that channel isn't grouped into a group that's turned down on the P16. But, Most likely, as Guy said, it's a volume problem with the other channels on the P16 or it's a gain structure problem on the console.
God I nearly ate my children when the intro jumped me o.O
How do I assign a stereo bus mix. My drummer has L & R O/H and three toms placed in the mix from left to right. How can I place these in 2 channels in the P16 (Panned Left and Right) please.
Send one bus (Left channel) to one channel on the P16 (use an odd channel), then send the other bus (right channel) to the adjacent channel on the P16. You can then link and pan the channels on EACH P16 mixer (you have to do it on each P16 mixer. It's not that smart.)
Thanks
it would be so helpful if the channel image and name showed up when you were scrolling through the output channels.
It would be SO helpful. Alas...check out the Midas DP48.
Will this set up (Config) be the same for all p16s in use? Say, I have a p16 for my drummer, EG, AG, Bass, Lead Voc, BGVS, and Keyboard player. Will the 16 Channels that I have set up on the "Ultranet" tab, apply to all my p16's or can I vary with them all? In other words have the channels that each musician/vocalist desires? I hope I explained myself well. Thanks in advance! - Javier M
It's best to let the musicians select, or de-select their own individually on the monitor.
Yes. Whatever you route to the P16 system will be the same for all P16's on the same system. You can't pick and choose which P16's have what channels. Either all of them have a channel or none of them have that channel.
This helped me so much
How do I get effects on an individual vocal channel and it won't effect other individual vocals in the P16?
The only way to do this is to route the vocals with the effects already mixed in from a bus. But they wouldn't be adjustable from the P16. You could also route the dry vocal and the 100% vocal effect for just that vocal, but then you'd burn two P16 channels.
so what the guy above is saying, send the vocals to a bus and to an effects channel at the same time, then send the "effects returns" for that fx to the same bus you're using the vocals on (so copy the vocals and effects returns to the bus) then send that bus to your p16.
How would I send a 100% wet signal from a reverb or delay to a P16-M so the singer can control the amount of verb or DDL they hear on their headphone mix?
maybe by routing the verb bus (100% wet) through a seperate channel. i'll update once i have my hands on our system that will arrive this week if i can remember it. will be checking it out on the weekend
Hi! Can i use both inear and floor monitors ( i´m a drummer and needs the bottoms) and if i want the click in my eras but not in the wedges. Solutions?
There are a few options you can go with on that one. The first is have two P16s. One for your ears, another for the wedges/sub. However, this may not be feasible for your budget. The second is just use one P16 and use only the left or right channel for your ears and the other channel for the wedge. This solution only leaves you with a mono ears channel, and you'll have to split the headphone out on the P16 into separate left and rights, but it'll get the job done. Pan all 16 channels to the ears side (except for the click), get the mix right in your ears, THEN (and only then) ease the pan knob closer to the wedge side for the channels you need for the bottom end. (click read more!)
For either solution, use the line out jacks on the P16 to send signal to the wedge. Do not use the headphone jack for this. Also, only send the instruments you need the low end for to the wedge/sub. If you can hear it ok in your ears, don't send it to the wedge. This will keep stage noise down and everyone will thank you for it. Especially the sound guy.
You can plug a floor monitor to the P16.
Does it work with Yamaha Mgp32x I have trouble setting up
How do I group let’s say Tom’s and overheads to 1 channel on the p16?
very helpful thank you!
If you have more than 1 P16, can you set each separately or is it one setting for a all P 16? Also when you set up a drum bus, how do you prevent that bus from coming into the house?
I think it's one output to all of them (they can be daisy-chained). buses do not go to main mix, you'd have to purposely send them there. buses are for monitors really (Aux out on the analogue mixers) so you'd have to do something really good or really bad to get them to go on the main out.
All P16 mixers that are connected to the same network will have the same 16 signals sent to them. Each of these 16 signals can be adjusted individually on each P16 mixer for volume and EQ using the volume knob and the low/high shelves and sweepable freq EQ knobs.
Buses are used for all sorts of things. Many of these purposes do involve sending the bus output to the house mix to add another layer of excellence (hopefully) to your mix. In this case, as you alluded to, you don’t want the bus sent to the house. To assign/unassign the bus to the house, select the bus and press the “Stereo Bus” button below the pan knob. Be sure the “Mono Bus” is unlit as well. You can do this with channels as well (think: click and talkback and helper tracks, etc)
We love stereo! How would we assign a stereo mix bus... say like multiple stereo keys or panned drums to two channels on the P16m?
I have the same question
Just link the 2 channels.
Send one bus (Left channel) to one channel on the P16 (use an odd channel), then send the other bus (right channel) to the adjacent channel on the P16. You can then link and pan the channels on EACH P16 mixer (you have to do it on each P16 mixer. It's not that smart.)
if you already have a stereo bus set up, then you send each bus to a channel on the p16. so the left side would go to one chanel and the right bus would go to another chanel (on your p16)
I noticed you had the Nord as 1 channel (mono signal). What if you have a Stereo signal coming in for your nord (say channel 15-16) how would you route that to 1 P16 channel?
You would need to eat up 2 of the 16 slots for the Nord. Then when you get to the P16 itself group the two channels and label each channel Nord L and Nord R
Can you give me a list of steps to put a click track in the monitors only? Also putting the track on a different channel in the monitors AND the house? Thanks
You'd just feed all those inputs to different channels on the console and route them where you want them to go. Just make sure the stereo bus is unselected on the click...house doesn't wanna hear that ever. hah
Lets say i have 6 p16’s and i want to take out the onstage talk back mic from one of the p16’s. Can i remove a routed channel from just one of the p16’s or will that remove that route from the whole p16 system?
P16 routing is global. You cannot pick and choose which P16's have what channels.
Question. I did all this on our console. However, the p16's on the platform are still copying channels 1-16 of the console. So the routing under ultranet routing is routed with buses and all the ways we want it. But on the p16's, it straight 1-16 of the console. solutions?
It could be the P16s are not connected to the P16 Monitoring System jack on either the console or the digital snake (and accidentally connected to the AES50 jack). Also, if the P16 system is getting its signal from a digital snake, make sure the P16 channels are routed down the appropriate AES50 channel. If the P16 routing isn't sent down the AES50 line, the snake won't know what to send to the P16 system (so I'd imagine it'd just send the first 16 channels it gets). Let me know what you find out as I've never had this issue.
Matt Schroeder Did you ever figure this out? Because tonight during rehearsal, we were plagued with this and could not remedy it. Help!
Should I create a mix bus for backup vocals
It depends on what you need. Some are ok with having all on one P16 channel. Some aren't. If you have extra P16 channels to burn, put them separately or all of one group (altos, sop, etc.) on one channel and then another on the next, etc.
Hello everyone...i am having problems with my p16 and my singers... they complain about not been able to hear themselves loud enough....but the more i raise my gain it affects FOH. I figured maybe im routing wrong...idk what else it can be.
I have this question also
This is (likely) a gain structure issue. Adjust the gain properly then re-adjust the house mix. If you already have a strong signal at FOH, then make sure they're adjusting their P16's correctly. Make sure the "MAIN" channel is up all the way and have them turn down the other instruments significantly, then turn the main volume level up (top right knob) to compensate. This will effectively turn their vocals up and leave the instruments the same.
Will this P16 - M work with other brands of consoles such as SoundCraft Expressions?
No, the P16 will only work with the Behringer X32 and Midas M32 products.
Thanks. Too bad, but, definitely appreciate you letting me know before I made the purchase. Take care.
Hey Tom Pinsent, Behringer Powerplay P16-I 16 Channel ADA Converter. Do the research 1st and you should be good to go with this
You don’t use any stereo busses to the p16? Does it matter live?
Yes and no. It's a give and take. If everyone wants the same mix in that stereo mix bus, then yea that's a good way to go, but most likely people will want more of something someone else wants less of and you can't adjust for that with stereo mix busses sent to the P16.
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What was that "MO" device that you use to play pads with? Can I get a name/link to that?
You talked about it at the 13:35 mark
How can i send bqckground vocals to p16.....1 for sap 1 for alto 1 foe tenor
do video on talkback please
I have watched 100 videos now on how to hook up a single S16 to a X32 . I have the input part down . I go yo The router page and pick AES60 , 1-8 , The go to AES50 9 - 16 .. That I have . Now what I don't have is HOW do I get the Outputs on the S16 to end up as 1-6 be the Monitor outs for 6 Mixes and then have 7 and 8 end up as my Left and Right ? Now on the back of the X32 by default AUX 1-8 are the monitor sends Then 9 - 13 are more AUXs out , BUT AUX 15 and 16 are by default your House Left and Right . SO HOW do I get 7/8 on the S16 to be 15/16 ? I have a spare S32 and hooked it up to the X32 and it worked great . But the Church I am doing this all for (FREE) Does not have the money to buy the S32 and have to stay with the S16 for now . There has to be a way to route 15/16 to 7/8 of the S16 ... Remember they only have ONE S16 ... WHY the person who sold them the board did that I will never understand . HELP PLEASE ..You can e-mail me @ ctm4metoo@aol.com
We have 3 p16m for musicians they can hear vocals but not the instruments what found be the problem anyone please help
can you send more than one channel into 1 channel on the p 16 without doing a mix bus? Can it be done in direct??
Hey Jeff Johnson, Tyler from LifeHouse Sound Dept here, I haven’t been able to find another way than to create another bus but if you do! Let us know!
Thanks for the advise and the quick reply.
No, this cannot be done. You'll either need to use a mix bus or use two channels on the P16 system.
All of my channels are coming thru the number 2 button on the p16
can u put effects on vocals on p16?
Yes
Hello
Does anybody know smth about the longevity of the P16?
*actually why you choose use drum channels from 17-...... ?*
only that question i was have you said very well
I wanted to have the full first fader layer for non-drum instruments. I hate swapping back and forth between layers and the drums are the channels I adjust least frequently.
@@drlanford that makes more sense but for most engineer setups, the drums go first because they are the lease changeable channels (meaning you won't plug them in and out as much as the microphones or anything else) so put them first starting with kick, then the rest of instruments, then the vocals.
one other main reason for this is when you're using those large analogue consoles- most engineers are right-handed and the consoles are set with the main on the right so we usually stand to the centre of the console with the vocals in front of us and the drums keep all the way to the left where we go less frequently. that same setup is brought onto digital consoles.
How about setting up a click?
Same workflow. Just feed it into another channel on the console and route it wherever you need it using the same methods.
how does the "remote" port work?
To control the mixer via computer (x32 edit), or if you use the USB on the "remote" section, it can be used to control your DAW (digital audio workstation), so fruity loops, ableton live, all those apps.
My first time using the X32 (second time seeing one) it was at a Gospel convert, i was sent on the stage to sit in front of a large 1440p monitor that was hooked up to a desktop computer running X32 Edit, that's the program i used to control the monitors on the stage (we were using 8 or 9). it's free, but you'll have to get a version that matches the firmware on your mixer.
@@mthompson965 Thank You :-)
Desser?
it helps with the 12Khz (i think). it's like a compressor for a specific range of frequencies so it cuts out the loud S from your voice.
@@mthompson965 LOL, that'SSSSS what I wasSSSSSS trying to sSSSSSSuggesSSSSSStTTTTT :-)
IMHO the de-esser insert in the M32/X32/WING line is unusable. It’s horribly slow and has no useful adjustments. I choose to use the channel compressor with a key filter targeting the offending freqs and an inserted compressor for normal compression. Works decently well.
man this is good info but you need to drink some water or something next time ....all of that smacking is aggrevating!!!!!
Jejejejeje
I've drank some water since. Thanks. ;)
I want to send Card input (playback from PC) to my MIDAS 1648-O and some others need to be sourced from the physical inputs. Is this possible?
How do you save my P16 routing settings on the X32? After assigning each channels on my X32, all my settings default when I change scenes.
Maybe you fixed it already. But when you recall a scene, have "routing safe" on on the right side of the scenes screen for that scene. When you load it, it won't override the last routing settings then.
@@servantEG You the man Ben! Thank you for all the tips and tricks!!