The war between MLB players and owners deserves a deep rewind

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  • Опубликовано: 10 апр 2023
  • Two World Wars didn't cancel MLB's World Series, but in 1994, a labor dispute between owners and players over a potential salary cap killed the Fall Classic - and a pretty compelling season. With the entire future of the pro game in limbo, Congress, the President, and a whole bunch of lawyers tried to find a deal in time to save the 1995 season.
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  • @SecretBaseSBN
    @SecretBaseSBN  Год назад +121

    I'm sure you've spotted it, but this episode of Rewinder is presented by Blue Moon. We had fun with this one, not your typical Rewinder, but that let us tell a super interesting (at least to us dorks) story that we might not have otherwise. If you wanna know more about Blue Moon, check out this piece on their history and how tied to baseball they are: ruclips.net/video/88T29GRogUE/видео.html

    • @PR24864
      @PR24864 Год назад +2

      When will you give us a 2022 nlcs game 5

    • @PR24864
      @PR24864 Год назад +1

      🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

    • @matthewtheis5839
      @matthewtheis5839 Год назад +7

      Just gotta say, that was one of the smoothest sponsor plugs in a video I’ve ever seen. I don’t even like blue moon but I might just go get a 6 pack because I appreciate that smooth transition so much

    • @RealMikeGibbs
      @RealMikeGibbs Год назад +5

      Everyone notices the plug…

    • @luizansounds
      @luizansounds Год назад

      Video suggestion: a rewind in the NBA lockouts

  • @prestonlewis9877
    @prestonlewis9877 Год назад +389

    The fact that Bud Selig is in the HOF, yet he presided over some of the most shameful of chapters is inexplicable.

    • @daBEAGLE1017
      @daBEAGLE1017 Год назад +11

      He brought back Baseball to Milwaukee, he got the steroid problem under control and got the players union to agree on a contract.
      Yeah, it was all his fault the MLB was corrupt.

    • @AndreIguodalaFan55
      @AndreIguodalaFan55 Год назад +59

      @@daBEAGLE1017are you being sarcastic

    • @DiscGolfLeagueMVP
      @DiscGolfLeagueMVP Год назад +59

      @@daBEAGLE1017 He knew about and ignored the steroid issue while it was going on you dolt

    • @samuelmoulds1016
      @samuelmoulds1016 Год назад +10

      Yeah, Alan Selig is not my 'Bud'. it is total travesty he is in The Hall!! because of him, they should change it to 'the hall of shame'.

    • @samuelmoulds1016
      @samuelmoulds1016 Год назад +8

      @@daBEAGLE1017 aaah...actually...he was an 'owners commissioner'. that's fer sure!! he WAS AN OWNER!

  • @StevenEveral
    @StevenEveral Год назад +594

    As a Mariners and Ken Griffey, Jr fan in 1994, this one hurt. Junior and a whole bunch of players were gunning for Roger Maris's 61 HR record.

    • @ryukenhondaraiden252
      @ryukenhondaraiden252 Год назад +22

      Griffey, bonds and Matt williams

    • @shoukatsukai
      @shoukatsukai Год назад +26

      @@ryukenhondaraiden252 And Jeff Bagwell, who won 1994 NL MVP

    • @vituperativedetritus3628
      @vituperativedetritus3628 Год назад +13

      ​@@ryukenhondaraiden252 Williams was on pace for 62 HR with 69% of the season played 😮

    • @Nick_Simpson007
      @Nick_Simpson007 Год назад +28

      And Tony Gwynn gunning for a .400 AVG

    • @raskbell
      @raskbell Год назад +9

      ​@@shoukatsukai Yeah its a weird list to not include Bagwell, he was #1 in WAR, #2 in avg, #1 in slugging, #3 in HR (only 4 behind Williams at that point), etc.

  • @soulofthemedley
    @soulofthemedley Год назад +501

    feel bad for the Expo’s. Their chance was taken from them by this dispute. :/

    • @hibiki8473
      @hibiki8473 Год назад +7

      As a braves fan I feel bad but I like the record

    • @StevenEveral
      @StevenEveral Год назад +56

      If the Expos won the WS in 1994, it would have been three years in a row that a Canadian team won the World Series.

    • @CALAdminWaffle
      @CALAdminWaffle Год назад +23

      As a kid this strike killed my love for baseball. Thought the expos were gonna go all the way only to find out “baseball isn’t happening”.

    • @seand1011
      @seand1011 Год назад +27

      Imagine what would've happened if Montreal actually just got to a World Series, let alone won it in '94. There may still be a team there today.

    • @leorickt.9604
      @leorickt.9604 Год назад +10

      I hate you bud selig i hate you bud selig i hate you bud selig.
      I went to the last expos home game as a kid and i remember there were some signs in the crowd saying some less than charitable things about him

  • @adamori9736
    @adamori9736 Год назад +33

    The "replacement fan" sign is one of the funniest I've seen in sports in a long time :D

  • @jamesdrummond7684
    @jamesdrummond7684 Год назад +293

    This was both what was the final nail in the Expos existence, and baseball's replacement as America's game.

    • @darthrevan6
      @darthrevan6 Год назад +43

      If the Expos wins the WS, they probably get a new stadium.

    • @MultiBluedog123
      @MultiBluedog123 Год назад

      Nfl had long overtaken baseball at this point, probably about 15-20 years before this if we are being honest but I do know what you mean. The magic about the game has never been the same, even when they tried to bring it back by juicing the balls and turning a blind eye to steroid use.

    • @Pikabo0
      @Pikabo0 Год назад +3

      @@darthrevan6 not so sure about that. Quebec put an INSANE amount of money into the O

    • @MIKEDOMO
      @MIKEDOMO Год назад +1

      That happened in 1985, for that time NFL was more popular than MLB. I saw many games from late 80’s and early 90’s and there a lot of teams with attendance issues.

  • @GoombaGuy1996
    @GoombaGuy1996 Год назад +116

    1994 also cost Fred McGriff in the long term. He ended his career with 493 home runs and was snubbed by the Hall of Fame until recently. Had 94 been played in full, there’s no doubt he’d gotten to 500, and a HOF induction much sooner.

    • @CesarPerez-it8xy
      @CesarPerez-it8xy Год назад +3

      Barry bonds robbed of 800 home runs if they didn't walk him 2600 times. Lol

    • @djcastano1180
      @djcastano1180 Год назад +3

      @@CesarPerez-it8xy Luis Sojo robbed of a starting shortstop position for the NYY if he wasn’t a backup utility infielder.

  • @JZekis
    @JZekis Год назад +103

    When the NFL was able to break their players union in the late 80's with replacement players it probably set this plan in motion.

    • @drphot6050
      @drphot6050 Год назад +6

      Keanu Reeves agrees😂

  • @TrentonBlessWrestlemania489
    @TrentonBlessWrestlemania489 Год назад +124

    The 1994-1995 Strike sent ripples through the game that are, in some ways, still felt to this day. Because of the Strike, cities like Montreal lost out on a shot at championship glory, something they would never see until the franchise moved to Washington DC.

  • @oogabooga6939
    @oogabooga6939 Год назад +31

    That graphic of the 1994 MLB Payrolls is insane because today, that’s how much one player can make in one season!!! 2:07

    • @ddrum619
      @ddrum619 Год назад +5

      Also crazy because the Royals had the 4th highest payroll in the league

    • @djtrankilo231
      @djtrankilo231 Год назад

      ​@D Drum that is crazy. And unfortunately, the Royals were probably trash in '94

    • @paulfromlic
      @paulfromlic Год назад +1

      Baseball revenues are exponentially higher, and that money is better in the players' pockets than the owners'.

    • @showstealer1829
      @showstealer1829 Год назад

      @@djtrankilo231 They were 64-51 when the Strike killed the season. 3 games out of what would have been the first ever wildcard spot. The problem with them was they had the still strong but never quite strong enough Chicago White Sox and the emerging Cleveland Indians in their division
      EDIT: It would've actually shown what a problem the new playoff structure was given they probably would have missed being well above .500, while either the Rangers or A's, at the time of the strike 10 and 12 games BELOW .500 at the time respectfully, would have made it as the Western Division Champion.

  • @nohbuddy1
    @nohbuddy1 Год назад +39

    Baseball's labor history is just so ridiculous. No free agency until the 70s

    • @korosz9591
      @korosz9591 Год назад +8

      Yeah I feel like ignoring the Reserve Clause (and the owners basically conspiring to balck ball anyone who would refuse to play unless released) locking players to a team for perpetuity is really important to understand.

    • @yungmetrogaming9487
      @yungmetrogaming9487 Год назад

      Even today i dont likw how their free agency works

  • @jokersinurface
    @jokersinurface Год назад +46

    I was 11 years old living in NYC when the strike started in 1994. I vividly remember Don Mattingly walking off the field at Yankee stadium, handing his cap and glove to fans by the dugout. It's the last image of baseball I would see until the strike ended in 1995.

    • @Venom3254
      @Venom3254 Год назад +1

      Them fans are lucky

  • @BondandBourne
    @BondandBourne Год назад +95

    The year the expos were robbed. The scary part is that we nearly had a similar situation last year where it was possible baseball wouldn’t be played in 2022.

    • @danceyrselfkleen
      @danceyrselfkleen Год назад +3

      Maybe your team should just get better?

    • @Infernos94
      @Infernos94 Год назад

      @@danceyrselfkleen the expos dont even exist anymore you bum

    • @rico9163
      @rico9163 Год назад +4

      @@danceyrselfkleen what?

    • @qman66
      @qman66 Год назад +2

      @@danceyrselfkleen weird comment for sure

  • @stevenrose86
    @stevenrose86 Год назад +18

    The war between Blue Moon and Secret Base fans is gonna need a deep rewind...

  • @SmoothCriminal12
    @SmoothCriminal12 Год назад +32

    Here are some of the names from that 1994 Expos team. Larry Walker, Moises Alou, Marquis Grissom, Wil Cordero, Rondell White, Cliff Floyd, Darrin Fletcher, Pedro Martinez, Jeff Fassero, Ken Hill, John Wetteland, and Mel Rojas. Plus guys like. Vlad Guerrero Sr, Orlando Cabrera, Jose Vidro and Mark Grudzielanek in the minors.

  • @user-jw5qj8kv2y
    @user-jw5qj8kv2y Год назад +59

    It's a shame the World Series didn't happen in 1994.

  • @RetroJR3379
    @RetroJR3379 Год назад +7

    A lot of What if in 1994 Baseball season had the strike never happened. Tony Gwynn not only wouldve batted .400 but would've likely won his only NL MVP

  • @HonorFlowProductions
    @HonorFlowProductions Год назад +24

    The section on the Orioles reminds me when my family and I went to Maryland for a family reunion in 1994; while the strike was still going on. The stadium office was really cool and gave my family and I a tour of Camden Yards, and hooked up a 6 year old me with a lot Orioles swag. I am a life long Dodgers fan, but I have always have love for the O's for that experience.

  • @EdwardNigma48333934
    @EdwardNigma48333934 Год назад +56

    Man just wild how labor rights or awareness changes over time. I couldn't imagine a situation today where any judge or politician would support the workers over the company

    • @Los499
      @Los499 Год назад +21

      All the gains that workers have made throughout history have always come through militant, sometimes life or death class struggle organized by the workers themselves, which frightened the owners into making concessions. If there's going to be any change today, it won't be because some scumbag politician in either party decides to "do the right thing." It'll happen when workers decide enough is enough and build new rank-and-file organizations of struggle to force the issue on our own terms.

  • @zlpatriot11
    @zlpatriot11 Год назад +22

    The 1994 Montreal Expos had their season and players stripped away from them. They were by far the biggest victims of the strike.

    • @cooperwolfe5478
      @cooperwolfe5478 Год назад +1

      Yeah I agree. Although we’ll never know for sure if they would’ve won it. A potential World Series matchup between the Expos and Yankees would’ve been awesome to watch.

    • @zlpatriot11
      @zlpatriot11 Год назад +3

      @@cooperwolfe5478 interesting thought on this: if they did win it all that year, do you think they could've stayed in Montreal?

  • @dailytaylor
    @dailytaylor Год назад +135

    My White Sox were having a hell of a season in 94 too. That lockout broke my heart when I was kid.

    • @kevinkuenn5733
      @kevinkuenn5733 Год назад +14

      The Biggest Hurt

    • @mrmacross
      @mrmacross Год назад +9

      @@kevinkuenn5733 He had a 212 OPS+ and a 1.200 OPS that season. No living baseball player who wasn't implicated in drug use has done that.
      EDIT: Forgot about Bagwell, but I guess Bagwell's HOF induction was delayed because of insinuations he used drugs so maybe my original comment wasn't that off.

    • @SmoothCriminal12
      @SmoothCriminal12 Год назад +15

      Everyone brings up NY and Montreal getting screwed by the strike, but Chicago was arguably better than the Yankees that year. A middle of the lineup of Thomas, Ventura and Julio Franco, along with speedsters like Tim Raines, Joey Cora and Lance Johnson. Not to mention a loaded starting rotation.

    • @danceyrselfkleen
      @danceyrselfkleen Год назад

      Grow up

    • @wcarlosbrown
      @wcarlosbrown Год назад +5

      Jerry has to sell the team. Im so sick of dude. #SellTheTeamJerry

  • @87alock
    @87alock Год назад +58

    Very anti-climatic ending. Also this was the year Jordan was playing in the minors.

    • @SometimesCompitent
      @SometimesCompitent Год назад +25

      This is why he gave up on baseball and rejoined the bulls.

    • @ahogg5960
      @ahogg5960 Год назад +14

      ​@@SometimesCompitent Yep, he refused to be even associated with the possibility of being a scab

    • @rico9163
      @rico9163 Год назад +11

      @@ahogg5960 based proletariat Jordan

    • @nanyer
      @nanyer Год назад +12

      @@rico9163 before he became an owner and fight against nbapa on players wages so he as the owner of a team could gain more money instead of the players 😂

    • @djtrankilo231
      @djtrankilo231 Год назад +3

      ​@nanyeR well he was underpaid as a player.

  • @MKISports
    @MKISports Год назад +58

    The 1994 MLB lockout was also called in some people in baseball world as "The Montreal screw job"...

    • @MB-lb2ux
      @MB-lb2ux Год назад +13

      The UTree reference

    • @planetvegan7843
      @planetvegan7843 Год назад +8

      Shame... and with Curt Henning going for the Cy young as the first pitcher in history to catch for himself.

    • @enthusiastofcute
      @enthusiastofcute Год назад +6

      Knowing the Expos luck they probably would have blown it in the playoffs anyway.

    • @illusioNery
      @illusioNery Год назад +5

      “Who’s your daddy, Montreal?!” -idk, some kind of sexy boy

  • @susan_beaver
    @susan_beaver Год назад +13

    This is why I always refer to Justice Sotomayor by her full title as "Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor Who Saved the Game of Baseball."

    • @brientaylorcohen
      @brientaylorcohen Год назад +3

      She single-handedly ensured that her favorite team would win multiple championships. They should give her at least one World Series ring.

  • @drphot6050
    @drphot6050 Год назад +16

    I was too young to understand this at the time but as an adult it’s truly crazy what transpired. Plus the salary’s as a team are one player’s salary now! 😮

    • @bartcooper2920
      @bartcooper2920 Год назад +3

      Not for Cincinnati. If you exclude the Votto contract I think we spent more in 94 than we do now

  • @WrongedSports
    @WrongedSports Год назад +35

    I went to Montreal 5 years ago and people still talk about the 1994 team. They were completely different the next year

    • @iagreebut2216
      @iagreebut2216 Год назад +2

      Yo, I'm subscribed to your channel. Fancy seeing you here.

    • @WrongedSports
      @WrongedSports Год назад

      @@iagreebut2216 thanks. I'm trying to get more subs

  • @bigguy8435
    @bigguy8435 Год назад +6

    Gonna leave my comment hoping they continue this trend and talk about the 2011 NBA lockout

  • @dyne313
    @dyne313 Год назад +67

    Anybody who blames the players in ANY WAY is just a simp for the wealthy owners.
    Solidarity with all workers.

    • @SmoothCriminal12
      @SmoothCriminal12 Год назад +10

      Exactly. Some people will call the players selfish, yet ignore that most, if not all the owners are billionaires.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Год назад +6

      You can make the argument it gives lowkey slave owner vibes

    • @dyne313
      @dyne313 Год назад +8

      @@SmoothCriminal12 Not to mention, without baseball players, there would be no game.
      But without Baseball owners, things would probably be better.

    • @FoxxyBrown1111
      @FoxxyBrown1111 Год назад +3

      I blamed and blame the players AND owners. And anybody who solely blames the owners is just a simp for the weahlthy players. They give a damn about winning, fans, tradition, fairness... Now you again.

    • @jaboinky5349
      @jaboinky5349 Год назад

      @@FoxxyBrown1111 lmao you actually think the owners care about tradition and fairness

  • @tedborenstein8459
    @tedborenstein8459 Год назад +14

    This game happened literally hours before I was born lmao

  • @serisothikos
    @serisothikos Год назад +314

    When I was a teen I was extremely anti-labor because my parents were. I didn't understand until years later why I was on the wrong side.

    • @jamesdrummond7684
      @jamesdrummond7684 Год назад +77

      Your parents are/were rich business owners that additionally didn't have moral compasses? Regardless, welcome back to the morally correct side.

    • @BlessedAreTheCheesemakers
      @BlessedAreTheCheesemakers Год назад +55

      class war is a hell of a drug

    • @enthusiastofcute
      @enthusiastofcute Год назад +11

      Are your parents filthy rich? That’s the only way I could see someone get raised as anti-labor

    • @serisothikos
      @serisothikos Год назад +36

      I was a teen in the 90s and my mother got addicted to right-wing talk radio right as it got off the ground. Had it on all the time in the car. I absorbed a lot of talking points and repeated them because I knew it'd please her. Took me until my mid-20s to start unraveling the mess.
      She was a "unions stifle free enterprise" type from a second-generation immigrant family. She'd just been poisoned against her class interests, among other things.

    • @serisothikos
      @serisothikos Год назад +16

      @@odonnellcaleb Oh I've been through the entire catalogue front to back; watching that confirmed why it's morally correct to hate the Cowboys for eternity.

  • @matthewforbes2969
    @matthewforbes2969 Год назад +15

    Collapse: how the Montreal Canadiens failed to reach sniffing distance of lord Stanley for 28 years
    Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul
    Rewinder: 1999 champions league final
    Beef history: George Steinbrenner vs Dave Winfield
    Untitled: Ted Williams
    Untitled: Marcel Dionne
    Rewinder: 2010 World Cup final
    Beef history: George Steinbrenner vs Billy Martin
    Collapse: how injuries, age, and tragedy brought down the Larry bird Celtics
    Collapse: how the Buffalo Bills failure to win one of 4 straight super bowls led to two decades of failure
    Collapse: how the Vancouver Canucks went from one of the best teams in the NHL to one of the worst
    Rewinder: 1991 World Series
    Collapse: how the Washington nationals went from miracle World Series champs to chumps

  • @pandoralover21
    @pandoralover21 Год назад +12

    So I still desperately need a rewinder for the 1991 World Series.

  • @thomasg2488
    @thomasg2488 Год назад +6

    And this laid the ground work for the summer of 98 and probably the well balanced breakfast that Barry Bonds decided to start taking afterward

  • @TheMick126
    @TheMick126 Год назад +50

    Good topic. Cost a lot of players Gwynn trying to have .400 Matt Williams trying to get to 61 homers baerga extending his streak many others. But the biggest was the expos after Toronto won back to back mlb didn't want Canada getting 3 world series

  • @hmhm856
    @hmhm856 Год назад +6

    There was so many storylines across MLB in 1994 regarding teams and players, that that strike ruined what could have been a magical season.
    - The first year of the Wild Card and the Division Series (not counting the 1981 strike-shortened-season-postseason, ironically)
    - The Montreal Expos looking to make the postseason since 1981 (ironically, another strike season) and also after coming up short in 1992 and 1993
    - The Yankees finally looking to get in the postseason for the first time since 1981, and Don Mattingly's first trip to October.
    - Cleveland looking to finally make the postseason for the first time since eternity, with that dangerous lineup and new stadium.
    - Frank Thomas and the White Sox looking to get back into October after their 1993 ALCS shortcomings, and break the WSOX title drought.
    - The AL West could have ended with a sub-500 winner. It would have been the first time in baseball history that a sub 500 team would make the postseason.
    - The NL West could have also ended with a sub 500 winner, but I doubt it.
    - Tony Gwinn reaching .400 batting average. The first .400 batting average since Ted Williams did it.
    - Matt Williams of the Giants and Ken Griffey Jr of the Mariners looking to break Ruth and Maris record.
    - Greg Maddux having a majestic season

    • @KevinPayton-fq8gd
      @KevinPayton-fq8gd 9 месяцев назад +1

      Not to mention, a great All-Star game in '94. It's one of the best I've seen.

    • @cohengamertv6548
      @cohengamertv6548 2 месяца назад +1

      Dint forget that Montreal would be looking to bring the third straight worlds series title for Canada

  • @bstove24
    @bstove24 Год назад +5

    I remember the magic of the '95 refuse to lose Mariners. It really captured my love of the game.

  • @Suarez05
    @Suarez05 Год назад +70

    Talk about the NHL lockout.

  • @wvu05
    @wvu05 Год назад +9

    A salary cap with that many teams already above it and no corresponding floor? No wonder the players refused. It was clearly an attempt by greedy owners to pad their bottom line off the backs of the people who made their fortune in the first place.

  • @BessieBopOrBach
    @BessieBopOrBach Год назад +2

    What a gripping video. I got goosebumps flashing back on these painful childhood memories.

  • @ericwicker7514
    @ericwicker7514 Год назад +3

    If the 1994 strike never happened. The Montreal Expos would have won the World Series. The late great Tony Gwynn would have batted 400. No had did that since the late great Ted Williams way back in 1941. And, I think Ken Griffey, Jr would have broken Roger Maris Home run record. 1994 was the best season that never concluded. Because, there was too much greed going on. The players should have waited until the season was over. To do this. Because, it still didn't really work out. This is why the Montreal Expos would move to Washington DC. And, became the Washington Nationals. This is why the Yankees became a dynasty in the 90's.

    • @tomf5823
      @tomf5823 Год назад +1

      you have no idea who would have won the world series. the expos were realistically about 15-20 percent to win the world series that year. nobody is ever a massive favorite to win the ws when you have to win 3 rounds in a row.

    • @MIKEDOMO
      @MIKEDOMO Год назад

      Montreal wasn’t a World Series favorite that year. There have been a lot of good teams.

  • @donaldtNS
    @donaldtNS Год назад +6

    I'd really prefer to watch a Rewinder looking back at Larry Walker hitting a walkoff homer to win the 1994 NL pennant for the Expos over Atlanta (and avoid a third start by peak Greg Maddux in game 7 of that NLCS). Sadly, this universe sucks.

  • @dionr1168
    @dionr1168 Год назад +37

    The worst part of the 94 strike was the fact that it set the stage for how the Steroid Era unfolded, and more importantly, how the MLB owners, Bud Selig, and ESPECIALLY the MLBPA chose to handle the Steroid Era.

    • @enthusiastofcute
      @enthusiastofcute Год назад +36

      Especially the MLBPA? If Selig and the owners really cared about the games integrity they could have banned down the likes of McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens and many others yet didn’t because they resparked interest in the league. As far as I’m concerned the owners and Selig are the ones to blame

    • @wavedash101
      @wavedash101 Год назад +3

      It is a crime the Hall of Fame allowed the executive laden commitees to put Bud Selig in. The writers would have never put him in.

    • @dionr1168
      @dionr1168 Год назад

      @@wavedash101 the worst part is that they did this in the same breath as blackballing the likes of McGwire, Bonds, and Clemens. Selig benefitted the most from the Steroid Era, and he's in the Hall. If he belongs in the Hall, so do the steroid users that made him rich. If the steroid users don't belong in the Hall, then neither does Selig.

    • @mayitakeyourhatsir8632
      @mayitakeyourhatsir8632 Год назад +8

      @@wavedash101 They put Selig in, but won't put Bonds in despite him literally being the best hitter baseball has ever seen. The double standard is crazy

    • @Adamdidit
      @Adamdidit Год назад +1

      Baseball has got to be the only sport who would finally ban steroids and then IMMEDIATELY call the years directly after that the Steroid Era

  • @Doommaster677
    @Doommaster677 Год назад +2

    Always love a baseball Rewinder, thanks Secret Base!

  • @edenhazardfan1232
    @edenhazardfan1232 Год назад +3

    Day 7 : Can you pls do The 2005 CL final deserves a deep rewind and you should also do one on Troy Deeney's last minute goal against Leicester in the semi-finals of the Championship Play-offs in 2013

  • @mcmann7149
    @mcmann7149 Год назад +50

    I remember reading a lot about this during the 2022 lockout. It felt like neither side had learned a lesson from this strike. I highly doubt anything is going to change in the future either.

    • @marcusmcgraw3519
      @marcusmcgraw3519 Год назад +9

      I don’t expect it to either. Both sides refuse to compromise for fear of being seen as weak. The players are the ones who are the worst in all of this. They overplay their hands and force the owners to play hard ball

    • @meharinationsportspodcast2582
      @meharinationsportspodcast2582 Год назад +5

      It was pretty much the same issues as it was in 1994.

    • @AaaAaaa-zo3qy
      @AaaAaaa-zo3qy Год назад +31

      blaming anything on the players is so wrong the owners have all the power and the billionaires just wanted to save a few bucks on the expense of normal people

    • @felipecouto1102
      @felipecouto1102 Год назад +17

      Yeah, dont know about that. Only one side of it are billionaires wanting to get richer paying less.

    • @denistuohy2535
      @denistuohy2535 Год назад +6

      @@marcusmcgraw3519 don’t have owners who try to cut corners, and this wouldn’t have happened to begin with. Imagine being a MLB player and seeing the new commissioner is the same guy who was at the debater of a massive collusion scandal. But yeah, it’s the players right?

  • @WBCHelpSaint
    @WBCHelpSaint Год назад +2

    Griffey Jr was also in the HR Record hunt when the season was cancelled.

  • @DCPTRGF
    @DCPTRGF Год назад +1

    Totally flawless and seamless ad placement, fellas. Really beautiful. 😮

  • @Twink5
    @Twink5 Год назад +7

    As a 22 year old born in 2001. Been waiting for someone to explain this to me

    • @MichelleM15
      @MichelleM15 Год назад +3

      Yeah same me being born in 2002 ( 21 years old)

    • @HammerJammer81
      @HammerJammer81 Год назад +6

      For those of us Fans who were old enough to remember this, it was basically over Greed, as the Fan signs say. Owners wanted a Salary Cap and the players did not. As you can tell with today's contracts, the greed never went away. It was where the term Millionares fighting with Billionaires came from if Im not mistaken?. At the end of the day, the Fans were forgotten about by both sides, so the REAL fight became how to bring the fans back to the ballpark. If you watch footage of baseball parks previous to the strike vs post strike, you will notice a considerable drop in attendance as the fans didnt return right away. To this day some teams still have issues drawing large crowds which still has ties to the 94 strike. (Im sure someone else can chime in with some info I may have left out or forgotten)

    • @187btokes
      @187btokes Год назад +5

      ​@@HammerJammer81 yep baseball was honestly forever ruined by this strike. It never stopped once the train got on the tracks. Have you seen the movie Baseketball by the creators of South Park? Pretty much sums it up; baseball used to be about larger than life personas, mythical achievements, and the love of the game. Ironic that the strike happened while a few players were chasing, and on their way to passing, Roger Maris' 61, because money ruined everything. Tony G was doing what many thought to be a relic of the past; hit for . 400 and overall just a lot of could have been childhood memories that would live on forever died that year. Luckily I was still very young, so while I remember this, I was 6, I was still a teen when the Red Sox finally won in 2004, so at least I have those memories of Pedro's 97/98 bwing the best pitching seasons ever arguably during steroid ball, the yanks getting embarrassed after going up 3-0, and all those early Patriots win (I know I know it's football)... Still would have been nice to say I saw Williams or someone else hit 62+ when I was 6

    • @HammerJammer81
      @HammerJammer81 Год назад +1

      @@187btokes Im very pro salary cap. The game is a pass time that every American/Canadian/Whoever should be able to enjoy live, and the salaries only drive ticket prices up. I honestly dont see the need for $300 Mill contracts, no need for it at all.

    • @Flashfm3000
      @Flashfm3000 Год назад +8

      To baseball fans, the '94 strike is a lot like the American Civil War: in many ways, it's still being fought today. And that means as time goes on and our memories fade, the most reductive ("Millionaires fighting with billionaires") and hyperbolic takes ("It ruined baseball!") dominate the conversation.
      It's important to note that there had already been seven MLB labor disputes - strikes or lockouts - between 1972 and 1993, and in these two decades the MLBPA was FAR more successful at negotiating concessions than the owners.
      1994 was a desperate last stand for the owners under the game's old economic framework, fueled by years of inadequacy at the bargaining table. And say what you want about the lack of a salary cap in MLB - the bottom line is it ain't any cheaper to attend NBA or NFL games these days either.

  • @Cramhead43
    @Cramhead43 Год назад +1

    Magnificent as always guys, thanks again!

  • @SWBF2PS2
    @SWBF2PS2 Год назад +18

    0:15 "Flordia"

  • @sugarbear522
    @sugarbear522 Год назад +3

    You forgot about the Chicago WHITE SOX! They were in first place in 1994 and if season have concluded and the playoffs held, we would have won our first American League Pennant since 1959. And….dare I say it, our first world championship since 1917.

  • @foreversevenfold1666
    @foreversevenfold1666 Год назад +1

    Really do love how unexceptional the "moment in history" was without all the context surrounding it. Great vid!

  • @DavidBaruffi
    @DavidBaruffi Год назад +2

    You should do an episode on the 1996 Olympics, the Women's Gymnastics Team FInals

  • @Tubewings
    @Tubewings Год назад +14

    It wasn't Miami Gardens yet. That wasn't incorporated until 2003. The stadium had a Miami address until then.

  • @gm2723
    @gm2723 Год назад +5

    Finally a baseball episode.

    • @greencm7142
      @greencm7142 Год назад

      They've done a few. But, yeah....it's been a while.

  • @hmhm856
    @hmhm856 Год назад +2

    8:14 Oh wow, I never realized that, in that if MLB started with replacement players in 1995, that would have ended Cal Ripken Jr chance to catch Lou Gehrig all-time-consecutive-play record. WOW. Cal later broke the record in 1995 ironically.

  • @mjdryden
    @mjdryden Год назад +7

    RIP Expos.

  • @superadam2112
    @superadam2112 Год назад +4

    1994 was the original Montréal Screwjob

  • @noobmaster-wj3qm
    @noobmaster-wj3qm Год назад +19

    Do one of these for the 2004-05 or 2012-13 NHL Lockout

  • @MrSpeed-lt8gr
    @MrSpeed-lt8gr Год назад +3

    I haven’t felt the same about baseball since this one. I loathed both Bud Selig and Donald Fehr. Matt Williams and the Expos were both robbed.

  • @griffinhays2053
    @griffinhays2053 Год назад +6

    The thought of fans buying tickets for games so they could go tell the teams and players how greedy they are is pretty ironic

  • @BigJonahJ
    @BigJonahJ 10 месяцев назад +1

    Every time I picture either Bud Selig or Rob Manfred I just get an image of Randall from that Recess cartoon in the 00s

  • @jamesball9608
    @jamesball9608 Год назад +12

    Never thought about it but labor negotiations are the ultimate beef. You’ll have owners fighting owners and players fighting players before fighting one another

  • @LocalManMakesMusic
    @LocalManMakesMusic Год назад +7

    No sport likes to shoot itself in the foot more than Major League Baseball.

  • @charliem27
    @charliem27 Год назад +3

    Sparky is such a legend. Love that he defended his players always

    • @samuelmoulds1016
      @samuelmoulds1016 Год назад +1

      yeah, I talked to 'Spanky'! (I would call him 'Sparky', but he believed in discipline)!

  • @scizorbullet8185
    @scizorbullet8185 Год назад +1

    The worst part for me about 94 having no finish is the AL West pennsnt race you had a 52-62 Rangers in first place 😂 with 51 win Ais and 49 win mariners right behind em

  • @Law0086
    @Law0086 Год назад +2

    This could've been a 3 hour documentary.

  • @jonathangasana
    @jonathangasana Год назад +4

    Wow I’ve been waiting for this one for awhile. Not sure why ESPN never did a 30 for 30 on this.

    • @benjaminmeister6506
      @benjaminmeister6506 Год назад +1

      yeah also this one should have been better longer deeper for all the story lines interupted but it wasn't... i wonder how much material they cut

    • @illusioNery
      @illusioNery Год назад

      If they did, it would be a series like the OJ Simpson and Lakers v Celtics documentaries because of all the storylines that were happening at the same time

  • @kevingreen2400
    @kevingreen2400 Год назад +30

    The owners wanted the players to save them from themselves, keep them from spending wildly. The players were villified as greedy when they were just trying to keep the owners from cheating

    • @JerzeyJimmy
      @JerzeyJimmy Год назад +24

      it's almost like the average american is vehemently against worker's rights or something

    • @felipecouto1102
      @felipecouto1102 Год назад +7

      Yeah, its kinda bizarre seeing that some of these people were born in the same country as MLK. ''I dont care if you want fair working conditions, I want to have my afternoon game!''

  • @dpenelton
    @dpenelton Год назад +7

    The strike completely lost me as a fan in 1994, especially when football and basketball are so much more watchable and exciting as sports in general. I realized as a youngster at the time that there were way too many inconsequential games to care about baseball in the regular season. Plus doing that to the Expos was just cruel.

    • @cooperwolfe5478
      @cooperwolfe5478 Год назад +4

      I completely agree with you. Honestly I feel that when the league canceled the 94 World Series is when football became America’s most popular sport

    • @teen_laqueefa
      @teen_laqueefa Год назад +1

      @@cooperwolfe5478 easily was the first tear in my love of the game. Sad that I was so in love with the Reds and the 90 World Series was my last devoted season of fandom

  • @shifty1927
    @shifty1927 Год назад +3

    Clinton in the Os uniform 🔥🔥🔥

  • @mattcox3373
    @mattcox3373 Год назад +2

    About time y’all give us some baseball content

  • @JayTemple
    @JayTemple Год назад +1

    4:27 By contrast, no organization was helped more than the Braves, who have gotten away with calling their 1993 and 1995 division titles "consecutive."

  • @jacobbyers7914
    @jacobbyers7914 Год назад +1

    Please do a rewind of Hideo Nomo's Coors no-no.

  • @luisguillermojg
    @luisguillermojg Год назад +2

    There's a typo in "Flordia" at the beginning.

  • @guadalupev30
    @guadalupev30 Год назад +11

    NFL says thank you for handing us no. 1 spot in US sports.

    • @MultiBluedog123
      @MultiBluedog123 Год назад +4

      Nfl was definitely already king by 1994, the turnaround happened closer to the late 70s, but this definitely put the nail in the coffin for any potential baseball comeback.

  • @joshuapatrick682
    @joshuapatrick682 Год назад +2

    seeing the Royals and Red's as two of the larger payrolls in MLB is kind of jarring..

  • @markjackson6431
    @markjackson6431 Год назад +2

    Eric Lindros vs Flyers Organization

  • @FoxxyBrown1111
    @FoxxyBrown1111 Год назад

    I was a huge fan back in the 80s and early 90s... Never watched a game again after 1994. Never bought another Made-in-China-Game-Shirt for 100 $ plus, never invested a single coin into MLB again... Millionaires strking against billionaires was not a slap into the face of normal people and/or fans. No, it was peeing onto them. Literally. They still laugh about us up today. Not even Ohtani would bring me back. These greedy guys went to far. Both sides. It was, is, and will be disgusting... I still love anecdotal baseball stories like this vid for free though. I still love the game of baseball. But no time or money to them greedy MLB people. Never ever again... Thanks for the vid. It helps to upheld my boycott of this rotten to the core organisation.

  • @brientaylorcohen
    @brientaylorcohen Год назад +1

    Hot take: If Sotomayor wasn't a fan of the League's Largest Payroll, she wouldn't have voted against the owners. Then MLB would likely have had a salary cap - which would have hurt her favorite team. Did it offset the fact that the commissioner owned a small-market team? Sure. Did the honorable Judge's Chambers lady ensure that her favorite team would win multiple World Series almost immediately after the strike ended? Also yes.

  • @joshuapatrick682
    @joshuapatrick682 Год назад +2

    If Bud Selig is in the HOF then all the players who made his tenure as commissioner so successful by taking steroids (which weren't prohibited until 2005 btw) should be too....

  • @zoomzoomzoom17
    @zoomzoomzoom17 Год назад +1

    Showing us Blue Moon commercials when we're already paying for RUclips premium is worse than a salary cap

  • @mattbrichacek8978
    @mattbrichacek8978 Год назад +1

    You need to do a video about Game 2 of the 2007 ALDS between the Yankees and Indians!

  • @ShynyMagikarp
    @ShynyMagikarp Год назад

    This was a great retelling of a very tumultuous period of (north) american sports history, great vid

  • @letsgoOs1002
    @letsgoOs1002 Год назад +3

    Cal definitely helped to end the strike, mlb really wanted that record.

  • @adamcoe
    @adamcoe Год назад +1

    The same day this video dropped, Pedro Martinez threw out the first pitch at the Jays game (to his godson, Vlad, also a baseball player you may know), and came up to the booth during the game to talk with Dan Shulman and Buck Martinez. It came up briefly about the Expos and 94, and he mentioned how disappointed he was that they didn't play out the season. Secret Base constantly amazes me.

    • @MarloSoBalJr
      @MarloSoBalJr Год назад

      He also wore that sick Montreal blue uni

  • @randalkidd
    @randalkidd Год назад +1

    Uh you guys misspelt Florida in the opening minutes, heads up (0:18)

  • @camicawber
    @camicawber Год назад +1

    I'm pretty sure the last game before the strike was A's-Mariners, not Rockies-Braves. Yeah, it's a nitpick, but I remember watching the game and hoping that somehow it wouldn't be the last game I got to see that year.

  • @About37Hobos
    @About37Hobos Год назад

    Milan v Liverpool 2005 UCL final, it NEEDS a rewind, maybe the best final of any sports competition ever, it would be an incredible episode.

  • @joshuapatrick682
    @joshuapatrick682 Год назад +1

    also seeing the Pirates, Expos(nats) and Marlins in there brings me back to reality.

  • @Supernova2464
    @Supernova2464 Год назад +3

    I understand the player pov, but when I look a the NBA, NFL, and the NHL, a salary cap has been extremely beneficial for the sports

    • @nohbuddy1
      @nohbuddy1 Год назад +4

      It's been beneficial for the OWNERS, not the game. MLB has had just as much parity if not more than those leagues.
      The Padres just decided to start spending and they had a great playoff run.
      A salary cap resulted in the Patriots and Chiefs dominating the AFC for the last 10 years.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Год назад +5

      The Salary cap isn’t there for competitive balance, it might have an effect here or there
      But the salary cap is simply there to reduce labour costs and make owners more money/make the sport even more profitable and artificially cap players earnings

    • @Supernova2464
      @Supernova2464 Год назад

      That kind my point, I doubt a city like Kansas City, Milwaukee, and other smaller markets only have a chance when they have an owner is rich enough and willing to put money in the team. Also, please explain further on how the salary cap allowed for NE and KC to dominate the AFC? Cause I don’t know how you’d make that argument

    • @nohbuddy1
      @nohbuddy1 Год назад +1

      @@Supernova2464 The cap has shown to not create parity like they claim it would. All the owners are rich enough to pay for top players

  • @wanderlustwarrior
    @wanderlustwarrior Год назад +1

    Wasn't expecting Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor to show up in this one.

  • @Thor-Orion
    @Thor-Orion Год назад

    8:00 I grew up an O’s fan. Always respected Peter for his stand here.

  • @wizardoferror9942
    @wizardoferror9942 10 месяцев назад +1

    As much as Rob Manfred is incompetent as our current commissioner, what with the Astros scandal, the All-Star game Atlanta situation, the Athletics, and the lockout season, *at least* he’s trying to keep baseball matches honest and crisp with the challenge system, fixing the schedule, pitch clock, shift ban and bigger bases.

  • @joshuapatrick682
    @joshuapatrick682 Год назад +1

    most importantly seeing the Brewers near the bottom kind of let's you know why this was requested by ol Bud Selig...

  • @jimc.goodfellas226
    @jimc.goodfellas226 Год назад +1

    Ah yes, the great "What might have been" season...guys were having huge seasons, it was shaping up to be a great season, and we lost it. Griffey and Matt Williams et al chance at Maris, Tony Gwynn's chance at .400, everything

  • @keithdemolder6070
    @keithdemolder6070 Год назад

    LOL i cannot believe you just put an ad in there like that--that's insane.

  • @JohnSmith-zw8vp
    @JohnSmith-zw8vp 7 месяцев назад +1

    I was 14-15 years old at the time (FWIW) and I didn't get it at all. I mean surely both sides knew the fans would revolt against this strike and really, I and I guess most fans thought...what's the big deal about a salary cap and was it really worth throwing the rest of the season away for? I mean they already made six-seven figures a year, and they get to be on baseball cards!
    Perhaps the main problem (though I didn't find out about this until much later) was the owners colluding a few years prior to keep free agency offers for the players down, so this made the players that much less willing to give the owners the benefit of the doubt?

  • @EbonAvatar
    @EbonAvatar Год назад +2

    This was the White Sox's year too.

  • @JNDRFL1
    @JNDRFL1 Год назад +4

    The strike carrying over into 95 played a part in Michael Jordan's return to the basketball that year. Jordan who was playing baseball in the White Sox farm system at the time had no interest in being a replacement player and abruptly left spring training. A few days later he announced he was done with baseball.