Why Wasn't Sergei Killed For His Betrayal? | The Wire Explained

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  • Опубликовано: 6 фев 2023
  • The Wire is HBO’s highly realistic and unvarnished crime drama series detailing the drug trade of Baltimore, Maryland and the cops out to put a stop to it.
    Sergei Malatov is an enforcer for the Greeks who is a prominent supporting character in season 2.
    Seeing as though he snitched on the Greeks, why didn’t they kill him? How is it possible that he is still on good terms with the Greeks, that he can be a middleman between them and Marlo, when surely by now he should have been given the D’Angelo treatment? And also, with him living out his days in prison, what’s in it for him and just what kind of valuable information could he give to Marlo anyway? It’s not as if he would be in the know with the Greek’s, he’s out of the game - as Vondas tells Joe in season 2, the Greeks would be using new people for their dealings.
    So, let’s discuss. Why didn’t the Greeks kill Sergei for his betrayal?
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  • @goodyeoman4534
    @goodyeoman4534 Год назад +76

    The Syndicate decided that losing his hair was enough punishment, and losing his life would seem like overkill on top of that.

  • @mariozd971
    @mariozd971 Год назад +106

    Spiros was a little sentimental guy, he hoped he shouldn't have kill Frank Sobotka but it was only possible solution, but he was relieved he didn't have to kill Nicky whom he liked very much.

  • @VanirTraditionalist
    @VanirTraditionalist Год назад +195

    Season 2 is criminally underrated.

    • @Jestin612
      @Jestin612 Год назад +24

      I didn't like it at first but I love it now.

    • @KtotheG
      @KtotheG Год назад +21

      Nick's girlfriend's "twins" scene made it worth the price of admission, lol. Season 2 is great. Ziggy was dynamic. He was like Fredo Corleone from The Godfather.

    • @actuallynotsteve
      @actuallynotsteve Год назад +14

      It really is, people get way too mad about it not being just more of Season 1, because at that time it wasn't known or expected that the focus of the show would shift with each season. I love Season 2.

    • @Paul-vf2wl
      @Paul-vf2wl Год назад

      @@KtotheG Lotta talent in season 2 strippers hookers even Mcnutty's ex.

    • @peaceindarkness.darknessis3494
      @peaceindarkness.darknessis3494 Год назад +5

      Agreed.its my favorite

  • @henrybiggs3113
    @henrybiggs3113 Год назад +145

    They didn't kill him because they didn't have to... Their names were not their names... All police had were the names that everybody else had... The Greek & his #2 stayed the king, always...💯💯💯

    • @StinkyCashFlatEarth
      @StinkyCashFlatEarth Год назад +6

      The Greek was not the king. If you pay close attention, you’ll find out Maury Levy is the true king.

    • @henrybiggs3113
      @henrybiggs3113 Год назад +15

      @@StinkyCashFlatEarth / Levi worked for the criminals... When his name came up in incidences, he has to make deals... He couldn't just walk off & assume a new identity & pick up where he left off...💯💯💯

    • @StinkyCashFlatEarth
      @StinkyCashFlatEarth Год назад +6

      @@henrybiggs3113 the criminals actually work for Levy and did every single thing he ever told them to do. He even smacks D’Angelo Barksdale across the head and there are no repercussions. He represents every single major dealer in Baltimore for all 5 seasons. He is the true King pin. The jewish lawyer.

    • @henrybiggs3113
      @henrybiggs3113 Год назад

      @@StinkyCashFlatEarth / Y'all dudes will argue about anything...😫😫😫 I thought this was about the greeks & why they didn't kill Sergei... Levy is a lawyer, he is not apart of a criminal enterprise... He makes extra money on the side from it... It's his job to advise who he deals with... I don't even know what that means, Levy is the true king... King of what...?? He wasn't getting the greeks containers passed through the port nor giving them advice on what to do when it went awry... Levy was local, the Greeks were international...

    • @StinkyCashFlatEarth
      @StinkyCashFlatEarth Год назад +4

      @@henrybiggs3113 you obviously weren’t paying close enough attention especially throughout season 5. so what that Levy is a lawyer? Prop joe was an electronics repairman.

  • @melker-nn4md
    @melker-nn4md Год назад +124

    The Greeks? They're a glorified crew!

  • @devangnivatkar2649
    @devangnivatkar2649 9 месяцев назад +73

    This has been my fan theory for years as well. If you get picked up, first stall the cops, allowing your bosses enough time to get out. Sergei does this by asking for vodka (for example) when he clearly knows he's not getting it. He does it by posturing about having done time in Ukraine and the American prison system not scaring him. Then he gives information that's easily covered up or fairly irrelevant to get a lighter sentence

    • @BillJones-fn8pt
      @BillJones-fn8pt 8 месяцев назад +19

      Yeah agreed they had a protocol hence why he could still reach out giving false names and a temporary burner address was hardly the nail in the coffin ..

    • @davidhowell1415
      @davidhowell1415 4 месяца назад

      he's not Ukrainian

    • @haroldhall1517
      @haroldhall1517 15 дней назад

      ​@@davidhowell1415he literslly says hes not russian. Hes from ukraine

  • @thomasbennett9155
    @thomasbennett9155 2 месяца назад +3

    I love the first meeting they show with Sergei and proposition Joe. Clearly, they connect on several levels and understand that it’s all business, but seem to genuinely like each other as well.

  • @rswindol
    @rswindol Год назад +259

    I thought his name was Boris.

    • @melker-nn4md
      @melker-nn4md Год назад +4

      Boris Badenov...

    • @KOVIDGOON
      @KOVIDGOON Год назад +33

      Always Boris!😳🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @burniebikeshog2803
      @burniebikeshog2803 Год назад +39

      Boris…..why is it alway Boris

    • @ndogg20
      @ndogg20 Год назад +17

      Even his wife Natasha calls him Boris.

    • @slthjawa5062
      @slthjawa5062 Год назад +9

      His name is Robert Paulson

  • @munstrumridcully
    @munstrumridcully Год назад +52

    IMO, the "Greeks" spared him for a combination of reasons.
    A) as you mentioned, they I fo he gave the cops was largely useless to the cops and never led to any arrests or seizures of product of the Greeks
    B) which is akin to reason A, the Greeks seemed overall less bloodthirsty/rep-obsessed than the way Avon was, or Marlo with his whole "My name is my name!" monologue.the Greeks, while appearing ruthless over business and/or risk from the law, they seemed way less eager than any of them use violence as a first resort.
    IMO, characters from even shows like The Sopranos could take lessons in restraint and laying low...

    • @SuperRobertoClemente
      @SuperRobertoClemente 11 месяцев назад

      It's B) all the way. The Greeks are invisible, nameless, faceless and nationless. They don't attract attention by killing anyone. They're the opposite of street hustlers who rely on rep to consolidate power and capital. The Greeks are wholesalers, make big bucks the easiest way and don't fuss about any little stuff-- including Prop Joe getting clipped.

    • @Yvanehtnioj2000
      @Yvanehtnioj2000 2 месяца назад

      Bro the first scene we see of the Greeks is of them strangling a man after the Greek tells him everything is okay they’re absolutely bloodthirsty and reputation obsessed (those come with it) just not to the same magnitude as a Marlo.

    • @doublerdub1
      @doublerdub1 18 дней назад +1

      ​@Yvanehtnioj2000 That was a business decision, though. He was the one that basically killed the prostitutes in the stack. That brought the police to their operation as well as it cost them a lot of money.

  • @davidemelia6296
    @davidemelia6296 Год назад +159

    I think The Greeks had a plan for Sergei getting arrested and being 'turned' against them, and part of that was that Sergei would be allowed to 'snitch' on them to avoid the death penalty.
    That way, The Greeks would know to cut and run if Sergei ever did get arrested (they'd know that Sergei would 'snitch' on them if arrested, and they'd have a contingency plan in place for that), and Sergei would know that he wouldn't have to get executed for his crimes (because of his 'co-operation' with the police), and that The Greeks would still take care of him even though he was doing a life sentence (because he'd gone along with their plan).
    And the police wouldn't know how The Greeks had gotten away from them, even though Sergei had 'ratted' on them. The police would lose everything they had on The Greeks up until that point, and would have to start from scratch.

    • @BruteStrength99
      @BruteStrength99 Год назад +35

      I think you're right. Often times drug cartels will give associates permission to snitch to cut the best deal they can but they usually send a lawyer to sanitize the information they give authorities so it's either old and useless or directed towards their rivals

    • @coolpeople4287
      @coolpeople4287 Год назад +16

      In the military we write down "lessons learned" from previous deployments or missions and pass this info down to our relief. The drug cartel had learned plenty of "lessons" over the years and always knew how to outsmart the police in every situation.

    • @mariozd971
      @mariozd971 Год назад +21

      Sergei said while in prison-for me this isn't prison, i was in a real prison in Ukraine. Makes me think how ukrainian prisons looked in 90s, crowded, with many gangs who controlled various rackets. US prisons to me seen very violent and racially divided

    • @maxclifford937
      @maxclifford937 Год назад +11

      I agree, also it is probably useful for the Greeks to have some contact inside prison. Honestly they always gave the impression of being a few steps ahead of everyone else so I'd imagine it is planned out to some degree.

    • @peaceindarkness.darknessis3494
      @peaceindarkness.darknessis3494 Год назад +3

      Respect the validity of this theory

  • @flightofthebumblebee9529
    @flightofthebumblebee9529 Год назад +29

    I always assumed because he went to prison and didn't snitch on anyone else but himself. By season 5 Vondas and the Greek are back hanging out at Little Johnny's like the port investigation never even happened. (Kind of silly from a plot and storytelling POV). The main reason Sergei never snitched is because he doesn't need FUHKING CANTEEN.

    • @zacharyb2723
      @zacharyb2723 Год назад +1

      nah they didn't 'hang out' at Johnny's, just Vondas at first went there (i think) when Marlo asked for a meet. they kept the counter man there to keep an eye out, they weren't just grabbing coffee there. still risky, but with their law enforcement contacts they probably know there isn't any real investigation left targeting them.

    • @pcharl01
      @pcharl01 Год назад +5

      @@zacharyb2723 to be fair on the time difference between season 2 and season 5 I believe might be 4 to 5 years. So in that case, would the police even be looking into the diner?

  • @TheDCGuitar13
    @TheDCGuitar13 Год назад +6

    I believe Sergei informing was a contingency plan all sides agreed to. Marlo still had to go through Sergei to get to the Greeks so clearly they weren’t on bad terms

  • @wynwilliams6977
    @wynwilliams6977 6 месяцев назад +3

    Its common in the military when people go on missions, hold out for a certain amount of time, they change codes, call names, mission parameters etc within that time then you can talk about it all you want

  • @actuallynotsteve
    @actuallynotsteve Год назад +10

    Isn't it possible that Sergei played both sides? He could have ratted to save his skin, and then made his first call The Greek, saying he won't be home for dinner or whatever

  • @drmartin5062
    @drmartin5062 Год назад +20

    I think they all had plans to rat with info that ultimately leads nowhere

  • @jwouter
    @jwouter Год назад +19

    I don’t think he wanted to help Marlo at all , I think Avon made it clear that if he doesn’t prison will get a lot worse ….. Avon wanted Marlo to cut out the east side as he still held on to the east side west side beef ….

    • @Paul-vf2wl
      @Paul-vf2wl Год назад +7

      He was doing a favor for Avon because he needed protection being a white guy in a Baltimore jail.

    • @cj-hw3pv
      @cj-hw3pv Год назад +13

      I think Avon figured out that Prop Joe was a major reason Stringer did what he did and blamed him for Stringers death, Avon did this to get revenge.

    • @maxclifford937
      @maxclifford937 Год назад +2

      @@cj-hw3pv yea and I think he probably thought Marlo wouldn't last. He would pick a flight with the wrong person in the end and it'll go wrong or get bored when he is the only one left and mess up. Someone like Marlo will always self destruct or make mistake so might as well make use of him while you can.

    • @georgejackson4426
      @georgejackson4426 3 месяца назад

      ​@@Paul-vf2wlSergei was not being protected by Avon. Unlike most other state prisons the dominant White prison gang in Maryland is affiliated with the BGF.

  • @BigBoneESB
    @BigBoneESB 2 месяца назад +3

    The Greeks were too connected to miss Sergei snitching. Both parties likely realized Sergei walked the tight rope and only gave up information that was already known, so no harm done. Sergei getting to live (and family probably compensated) guaranteed his loyalty AND an enforcer right in the heart of the East Coast H trade: the Baltimore prison where many deals went down. Sergei was far more valuable alive, but why he wasn't DEPORTED back to his old country is a more interesting question - what is he doing rotting in an American prison for life on American tax dollar?

    • @Hgthjhgffhjkhrr
      @Hgthjhgffhjkhrr 29 дней назад

      In the eyes of the concept of the War on Drugs, we win a “battle” by locking him on our soil, so we have eyes on him. Makes sense? Maybe, but no.

  • @octavioherschberg5280
    @octavioherschberg5280 Год назад +48

    This was always my biggest question. I get the name is not my name thing, but he still tried to sell them out. And why would they take his call for Marlo? I wrote this before watching because I like to pontificate.

    • @andrewcook1246
      @andrewcook1246 Год назад +19

      Contingency plans out the wazoo with them Greeks. Hell of an outfit they were. Tentacles everywhere. He only knew names and he was a good worker. He could've spoke about other murders. "Murders stay murders" or at least for a few decades. Like Vondas said he looks into his peoples eyes and knows if they snitch or turned soft. Knew Sergei was like Bey. Gave up dead and people who were already caught at the scene of the crime. He definitely put in more work that what was shown on S2 and knew plenty more. They probably gave him or his people a small pension and he still has ways to get in touch with them to feed them info. They are the heroin trade so knowing who's trying to do what with Sergei on the inside close to the Avon's up at Jessup. Seems profitable.

    • @Natalialoboorca
      @Natalialoboorca Месяц назад

      I think it's actually simple. There is a good chance they didn't know he was a snitch. He associates with Avon who is "some sort of authority figure up in here" meaning Sergei has status in Prison. You can not get that respect as a known snitch.

  • @johntaaustin293
    @johntaaustin293 Год назад +6

    The Greeks knew he talked. Marlo and Chris found him through court paperwork that was a matter of public information. No way the Stansfield Organization knew about his documented cooperation and the Greeks didn’t.

    • @zacharyb2723
      @zacharyb2723 Год назад

      Is it in the court papers that he snitched? They try to protect informants, the court papers just say that he took life to avoid the death penalty, am I right? doesn't look like a snitch on paper. With Avon, his sentence was so light that people thought he snitched even though he didn't.

    • @johntaaustin293
      @johntaaustin293 Год назад

      @@zacharyb2723 yes everything regarding your case including cooperating is in the papers when you take a plea. If you remember Stringer told the attorney for the connect that he sent all of the document over so that they could see that Avon didn’t cooperate. Sergei’s cooperation would have been used in a trial had they caught Vondas and The Greek so there would be no way for the state to keep what he gave them out of the documents.

  • @alanmjohnson
    @alanmjohnson Год назад +13

    I think it is a slight mischaracterization to say that DeAngelo was killed as retribution for snitching. I mean, he did, but ultimately he didn't do it officially. He was killed to prevent him from having second thoughts somewhere down the line.
    Also, why would Sergei have been under Avon's protection? Avon never even knew who the Greeks were, if he even knew that they existed (all he knew is that Joe had a good source to heroin).

    • @h.o.o.d.recordingandmanage2841
      @h.o.o.d.recordingandmanage2841 10 месяцев назад

      Because he runs the prison and the Greeks have no pull in the state prisons only the blacks

    • @dksoulstice6040
      @dksoulstice6040 7 месяцев назад

      D'angelo snitched on Weebay and told the cops where he was.

  • @erics362
    @erics362 Год назад +10

    I never understood why Vondas and The Greek returned to Baltimore after their close call with police there.

    • @JayyJay92
      @JayyJay92 Год назад +9

      I think they went whenever their fbi contact was. When they were in San Diego it’s cuz he was there and now that he’s in Baltimore area they came back.

    • @trenttrip6205
      @trenttrip6205 Год назад +3

      $$$

  • @eliwhaley4804
    @eliwhaley4804 Год назад +6

    Literally just got done with season two and the next day cina puts this out. Perfect timing

  • @dzilla4208
    @dzilla4208 10 месяцев назад +4

    I thought it’s like heavily insinuated that the Greek had an FBI informant so I guess I always assumed that he was given a heads up after Sergei told on them

  • @answerman9933
    @answerman9933 Год назад +6

    Sergei should have known that being sentence to death, especially in a state like Maryland, means you will more than likely die of old age.

  • @KtotheG
    @KtotheG Год назад +10

    I think Sergei was acting because he was so quick to give them up.

  • @sayseriously
    @sayseriously 9 месяцев назад +3

    Great vid. Sergei was one of the best side characters.

  • @jamiegodfather
    @jamiegodfather Год назад +4

    I always thought Sergei worked with Marlo because Avon had told him too!! I think he just told Marlo about the Diner it wasn’t a bar!!

  • @luisd7636
    @luisd7636 Год назад +2

    good stuff.

  • @jeffvanmeter1330
    @jeffvanmeter1330 Год назад +8

    According to the book “The Godfather of the Kremlin,” a large percentage of Russian mafia, especially in the upper echelons of power, are former KGB, which would mean that they have specific training in how to avoid giving really important information during interrogation. One technique, is to give information that may seem like gold to interrogators, but is in fact of little value. “The Greek” would have known that Sergei had been arrested, and if he was former KGB himself, he would not only have known that Sergei would give up ‘Something’; but likely have known exactly what Sergei would say.

  • @TheCmascagni
    @TheCmascagni Год назад +7

    There is no way they wouldn’t know he snitched.

    • @monadreher2428
      @monadreher2428 Год назад +1

      They absolutely knew he snitched. It was literally in the dialogue between him and Marlo. Him helping Marlo and putting The Greeks onto a potential promising asset is what would've put him back on The Greek's organization good side.

  • @defAngel
    @defAngel Год назад +1

    I always struggled with seasons 1 & 2

  • @JayyJay92
    @JayyJay92 9 месяцев назад +3

    Guarantee he was told he could give the fake names in order to save himself. The only thing I didn’t get is he knew they would leave so in season 5 how did he know they were back ? Unless they reached out to him somehow.

  • @lampshade3795
    @lampshade3795 Год назад +1

    The first theory makes the most sense.

  • @frankmurphy7234
    @frankmurphy7234 Год назад +4

    Haven't watched the video. But I kind of always felt that Sergio was the perfect soldier / Fall Guy kind of like what El Chapo is 2 El Mayo

    • @JayyJay92
      @JayyJay92 Год назад

      That would be a better comparison if it was vondas. Everyone knew vondas very few had talks with the Greek.

  • @JayyJay92
    @JayyJay92 Год назад +2

    It was probably established that he could tell them all that on purpose. Cuz he never told the cops about the little deli they operated out of. Or else they would’ve set up cameras there waiting for Greeks to return.

  • @johnpenley
    @johnpenley Год назад +2

    We really have no clue as to how Sergei was related to the connect itself?
    Could be simply a case of that if anything happens to Sergei, the dope connect goes south? 🤔

  • @WoronzoffPawel
    @WoronzoffPawel 2 месяца назад

    BTW, there's no such last name like Malatov, although it may sound similar. I was always wondering why scenarists don't use normal names, instead of weird ones - Foma Kiniajev, Malatov. It could be Malakhov or Molotov, but not Malatov. Like englishman with last name Jucksen, or something like that.

  • @T-roc57
    @T-roc57 Год назад +7

    Clearly the greeks had no beef with Sergei if marlo had to go directly through him to get the connect.

  • @samus282
    @samus282 2 месяца назад

    I think the writers used Sergei to help unfold the plot. He is the character that connects 3 elements of the story in season 2; the docks, the police and 'the greeks'.

  • @geordiejones5618
    @geordiejones5618 3 месяца назад

    Any criminal operation needs guys who are willing to "talk" because they know enough to know what not to say and what's gonna be found out no matter what. If your operation depends on total isolation/deniability of upper management, there's not much that anyone below that level can damage more than cops and feds will. That's why you only tell subordinates what they NEED to know and get rid of anyone who suggests they outta know more than they should. If you truly take care of your people and give them no reason to doubt the safety of their family, you'll have people willing to fall for the cause, knowing their loved ones aren't being left out in the rain. It's easy to turn traitor if you feel like the other side will give your dependents a better chance.

  • @RayAtkins-wk9zv
    @RayAtkins-wk9zv Месяц назад +1

    I miss this show

    • @wayne9077
      @wayne9077 Месяц назад

      It was one of HBO's best series

  • @CaptainTripppz
    @CaptainTripppz Год назад +1

    The line-of-thinking near the end of the video seems the most acceptable. The Greek's probably wouldn't have deep reach into the American prison system and simply cut their losses figuring Sergei couldn't do any more damage anyway (due to their cautious nature and knowing he is facing death they would assume he talked). Some of the comments that Sergei would know the Greek's have already cut their losses and limits his cooperation to mostly corroborating what they already know is reasonable. It is heavily implied by the nationalities of their members and Russia prison tattoos they are a trope/caricature of a 'Russia mafia' family.
    As for Sergei needing Avon's protection in prison: how many white prisoners did you seen in all the season 2 prison scenes? Sergei is tough, but he's in there for a life.
    Marlo didn't even understand online banking so it's doubtful Sergi gave him a Tor/Freenet or other online way to contact them. All the phone numbers he knew would be burned. And, since Vondas gives Marlo a phone specifically for contacting them, it seems Sergei simply gave Marlo the location for Johnny's Diner (which I think would actually piss them off more...). Nick or Sergei never gave up the Diner to the police, and the other other people alive who knew about it is Ziggy and maybe Johnny Fifty. In the show's final montage we see Fat-Face-Rick and Slim Charles meeting Vondas at the Diner, again suggesting Marlo simply gave them the location.
    The diner stuff is a bit thin, but most of this is S5 which has a lot of thin and rushed plot points. But, it's good enough two bring back two fan-favorite characters: Avon and Sergei. Also, if you've read this far there is a funny easter egg involving the diner where in S2 Ziggy asks about the pie and Nick says 'it's shit- lets go' and in S5 we see Snoop eating pie at the counter during the meet.

  • @Nerdy_The_Punk
    @Nerdy_The_Punk Год назад +3

    Why bother risk getting caught killing a guy who is now nothing and in jail and can do nothing to hurt you.

    • @ramstacp
      @ramstacp Год назад

      It’s all about reputation and scaring anyone else from doing the same

    • @zacharyb2723
      @zacharyb2723 Год назад

      @@ramstacp But the Greeks aren't interested in street rep. All they want is to stay off the radar and print money.

  • @johntaylorson7769
    @johntaylorson7769 Год назад +2

    Can't help but notice a lot of these "why did-?" questions about The Wire come from season 5. Could it have just been substandard writing (and I don't mean bad writing per se, just substandard from the amazing writing of the previous seasons. There's a bunch of stuff about S5 that doesn't make any sense and I don't think it's anything more than a bit of a duff season.

    • @CineRanter
      @CineRanter  Год назад +1

      You know, while I was making these videos I was actually thinking that. In fact, I mentioned it in my recent video about Levy.

    • @johntaylorson7769
      @johntaylorson7769 Год назад

      @@CineRanter Yeah, I watched that one yesterday and it got me thinking about it. S5 is still cracking entertainment and head and shoulders above a lot of other TV, but there's a lot of contrivances which don't wash under close observation. On a couple of rewatches of The Wire I tend to stop after S4 (the last shot of which, possibly intentionally(?) is a STOP sign!).
      Love your channel by the way- great content and astute observations of some great cinema and TV. You ever looked into The Shield? For my money, the best long game and finale of any crime show (including the behemoth that is The Wire).

    • @CineRanter
      @CineRanter  Год назад +1

      @@johntaylorson7769 Thank you. I may do down the line. Currently watching a show that many subscribers have asked for. Going through my list one by one

    • @zacharyb2723
      @zacharyb2723 Год назад

      Season 5 had less time to make and fewer episodes, its definitely messier and some stuff was just them rushing to meet HBO's schedule.

  • @mecachislamar
    @mecachislamar 4 месяца назад

    i think they were structured, and hence, i buy the line of sergey knowing it was ok to give info. they would know in due time about the information given, and disappear. win win. it is about win win for them to supervise, as seen through the season.

  • @mwenvlay
    @mwenvlay Год назад +2

    they didn't kill him because they didn't have to. anyway, i think the more interesting question is why did avon ok the transfer on the connect to marlo for a measly 100 large. that always struck me as a false note. and tbh, i'd like to know if, in a real life version of this plot, would marlo really have been able to get 10 million from the co-op? seems like there were too many people involved in that deal to make it a good bet.

    • @maxclifford937
      @maxclifford937 Год назад +5

      Probably the fact 100k is a better than 0. I think Avon assumed Marlo wouldn't last anyway (which is generally a good bet for someone like Marlo) and so he might as well make a but before Marlo burns out. Maybe thd next guy will do the same and he can make another 100k.

    • @trenttrip6205
      @trenttrip6205 Год назад +6

      I think that was just a power play, Avon wanted to show Marlo he still ran shit at some level

    • @jb3151
      @jb3151 Год назад +9

      That’s also how much he lost to Prop Joe in Season 1

    • @mwenvlay
      @mwenvlay Год назад +1

      @@jb3151 ahhhhhhhhhhh, good catch! thanks so much for pointing that out.

    • @woahblackbetty7691
      @woahblackbetty7691 Год назад +3

      He wanted to get back at prop Joe for swindling him on the ball game.

  • @vincentmedley5091
    @vincentmedley5091 2 месяца назад

    That wasn't a bar. That was a diner.

  • @LesterBrunt
    @LesterBrunt 2 месяца назад

    . In that business it is inevitable that people are going to get locked up with heavy sentences, getting rid of them is a costly and risky, so it is better to keep them in your pocket as they might end up being useful in prison.

  • @kingfelix1966
    @kingfelix1966 Год назад +1

    One thing people don't understand about the game.. No one reaches the upper echelon without working with the folks.. Like it or not.. Even the cartels worked with their government and the us government

  • @KMacMerlin
    @KMacMerlin Год назад +4

    They weren't exactly long gone though lol cigs were still warm

  • @michaelhammond2394
    @michaelhammond2394 Год назад +3

    Big fact

  • @mbryson2899
    @mbryson2899 Год назад +8

    The Greeks could also take street credit for getting Sergei out of the death penalty. That likely got traction with their other minions.

    • @ramstacp
      @ramstacp Год назад +1

      No, just no. Smh

    • @mbryson2899
      @mbryson2899 Год назад

      @@ramstacp Why not?

    • @stephenswift9896
      @stephenswift9896 Год назад +1

      @@mbryson2899 Yeah I think it makes sense that they would have a contingency unlike some one such as Marlo who kills at a whim.

  • @rooseveltsmith6963
    @rooseveltsmith6963 8 месяцев назад +1

    Sergei wasnt a snitch he did what he was told thats y he was still able to reach out to them.

  • @bjt81366
    @bjt81366 8 месяцев назад

    Sergei popping up in season 5 and not dead was just as unrealistic as Marlo being able to meet the Greek in person or the Greek located in the hood. First, the death of the women in the container was national news and his capture would have been big news. Second, if dude just disappeared the Greek would have wanted to find out why because Sergei knows all about the operation. Third, arrests are public records, a couple of phone calls and anyone with a phone can find out who's been pinched. Season 5 was good, but it was the only season that was not realistic.

  • @josephlawler1213
    @josephlawler1213 11 месяцев назад

    I don't think the greeks forgave Sergei. Avon is probably protecting him in exchange for protection. Avon and the greeks knew Marlow would burn out because he was too vicious. Avon and Prop Joe were stable influences on the game, and with Joe dead, Avon was the only OG who could smooth out all the dealers and get the money flowing again.

  • @teflonson718
    @teflonson718 Год назад +1

    Next vid...why did herc tell levy about the wiretap?

    • @DarthWinterMadness
      @DarthWinterMadness Год назад +1

      I'd say because he's a moron and often doesn't think before acting.
      Or maybe he was bitter his career as a cop went down the sh*tter so he did it as a middle finger.
      That's an interesting question though...
      Cheers from France! 🍻

  • @MilkmanC
    @MilkmanC 11 месяцев назад +1

    Not enough transpired for Sergei to be on let alone be seen on any "Discovery" report, but also, The Greek said it himself ...he's not even Greek lmao

  • @homoerectus744
    @homoerectus744 4 месяца назад

    Where is Merry Land?

  • @tmofee
    @tmofee 7 месяцев назад

    First of all. They didn’t know enough. Apart from spiros, none of them really knew the Greek. Secondly, if they hurt or killed him, it could possibly put them in a position where not even the FBI could protect them.

  • @user-vv3ys8jk4i
    @user-vv3ys8jk4i 2 месяца назад

    He got their ear for marlo ,so they must be still in someway conected

  • @Smith13j
    @Smith13j 6 месяцев назад

    Probably because Boris is too dangerous. He’s obviously a professional.

  • @LoneWolf_Cub_Ogami_Itto
    @LoneWolf_Cub_Ogami_Itto Год назад

    Probably because his testimony didn't matter do to no Greeks, no Vondas. So they likely have it on file but wasn't used in court. The Greeks may or may not know about Sergei talking, but there is no Vondas, no Greek.

  • @hippipdip
    @hippipdip Год назад

    Vhy always Boris? 😂

  • @elcochino8139
    @elcochino8139 3 месяца назад

    So if Avon had access to the Greeks from the inside why not sell it to another Westside ninja and not Marlo?

  • @JTNugget
    @JTNugget 3 месяца назад

    Going by your theory, why did they kill Frank Sobotka then?

  • @hatuletoh
    @hatuletoh Год назад

    Does he have hands? A face? Yes? Then it wasn't us.

  • @slowmo9642
    @slowmo9642 Год назад

    Sergei? Thought it was Boris.

  • @EdwardSimms
    @EdwardSimms 11 месяцев назад

    It would also be to the Greek's advantage to have a skilled killer in prison, to do their bidding.

  • @Whatisright
    @Whatisright Год назад

    Probably wasn’t worth the trouble to have Sergei killed. The Greeks being about business and nothing else it probably would have just brought more heat onto them. If they have him killed it’s probably a sign that their either still around or back. Why stole the flames when they can let them die down and resume business later when no one is looking.

  • @Void7.4.14
    @Void7.4.14 Год назад

    We actually never see the Greeks in a bar, mostly just a diner, family.
    I personally think it can be more than one of these at a time.
    In the streets there is a code. And while it's not as adhered to as it once was it is still followed by plenty. Snitchin is one of the absolute worst thing ya can do. Not necessarily civilians witnessing, not necessarily civilians reporting crimes that happen to em, but being in the dirt and selling others out when the heat comes to save yourself is just foul on so many levels and can't be tolerated or it all falls apart. But that's the streets. It's actually pretty common at high levels for the people involved to rat with a quickness, sometimes even as a preemptive measure to get protection down the road (like it kinda seems like the Greeks may have done, or they never were actually informants but their man on the inside had em listed as such for protection). A lotta these high level mfs give it up. They aren't in the streets like that, they aren't as emotional about these things, they're typically pretty greasy themselves so they have to be more pragmatic about others doing the same. It's less a must to end rats and more calculated, might happen, or a dozen other things might.
    It also probably wasn't the easiest thing to get em touched even if they wanted and they probably didn't think he could hurt em in any meaningful way. If they could easily get him maybe they would, but it's also just as likely that they didn't know exactly what he said in the box, only that he put himself in.
    I know when I used to be out there before a job, a lick, or a run it was routine for me and whoever I was with to game plan and come up with a story, Plan B, what to do if we got pinched, all that. Ya gotta be a fool to play with your life without a plan. So it's very possible they also had that set up ahead of time for him and others to fall on their sword and give em some useless info. But even though it kinda appeared so initially, he didn't seem to be on that inner circle like that so they may not have even needed to plan it, all he ever had was bs.
    I always wondered this too, but I guess for them they need to pick and choose who they wack. They rely on their ability to be ghosts and if they go around dropping anybody and everybody for every little betrayal and infraction it's hard to stay low-key. It's also possible that even a compromised Ukrainian is still potentially useful down the road so that saved his life for the time being. Who knows.

  • @IronMikeDyson1979
    @IronMikeDyson1979 4 месяца назад

    As i got older, i realized season 2 went into depth regarding corruption, human trafficking, foreign mobs, business moves, strategies etc. Only low level minds want shootouts and corner beefs from season one 24/7

  • @carminelupritazzi3214
    @carminelupritazzi3214 Год назад

    Great show.🤙🤙🤙Highly unrealistic.💯💯💯

  • @xxbobsetsfirexx4269
    @xxbobsetsfirexx4269 Год назад

    H is a letter..not a word...

  • @justkhail
    @justkhail Год назад +1

    That was a long and entertaining video. They didn’t kill him because they didn’t have to. 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @Paul-vf2wl
    @Paul-vf2wl Год назад +9

    What makes you think Sergei wasn't Russian? Also it wasn't a bar that the Greek hung out in it was a diner. Other than that I agree with you the Greeks likely had no clue Sergei ratted on them and they probably reached out to him when he was in prison.

    • @THEjoelivingstone
      @THEjoelivingstone Год назад +20

      In one of the sitdowns, Zig calls him Boris. Sergei gets annoyed.
      He's called a Russian, and Sergei immediately corrects him to say he's Ukrainian.
      Nick responds "Same thing."
      Sergei responds "Actually, you're wrong."
      So yeah, Sergei wasn't a Russian.

    • @user-xm9ms5dl8d
      @user-xm9ms5dl8d Год назад +1

      @@THEjoelivingstone But they are the same ethnicity. He was born before 1991, before ukraine was invented by NATO.

    • @THEjoelivingstone
      @THEjoelivingstone Год назад +1

      @@user-xm9ms5dl8d Ukrainians are a distinct ethnic group of eastern Slavs that predate NATO by centuries. FOH with that bullshit, Boris.

    • @joachimwalle3760
      @joachimwalle3760 Год назад +4

      @@user-xm9ms5dl8d Where do you get your information from? NATO did not invent the Ukraine.

    • @aggrodkreg4321
      @aggrodkreg4321 Год назад +3

      @@joachimwalle3760 it's a recent Russian propaganda line to justify their expedition into Ukraine.

  • @nilslindqvist8825
    @nilslindqvist8825 Год назад +1

    He was, of course, Ukrainian, no small difference…not least these days.

  • @terranman4702
    @terranman4702 15 дней назад

    "Urkainian"... "Same difference." .... "NO! You are wrong!" Thanks WIRE! One dialogue explaining the ukraine conflict with russia!

  • @charlieruehl8589
    @charlieruehl8589 Год назад

    It was so fuckin badass when Sergei tells Marlo that US prison is fucking nothing compared to Ukrainian prison, and he doesn’t want or need his fuckin money

  • @scottymacdewder5229
    @scottymacdewder5229 Год назад

    Sergei wasn't taken out, as he could still serve as an asset, even from his cell.

  • @sunnyatkar1982
    @sunnyatkar1982 Год назад

    Why kill a loyal, trusted soldier that will always help.?

  • @positivevibesandmorelife7307
    @positivevibesandmorelife7307 Год назад

    Sergie snitched point blank period and they didnt know he did

  • @Potatoshaneko
    @Potatoshaneko 8 месяцев назад +3

    Sergei is Ukrainian, not Russian.
    Nicky: "You're Russian right?"
    Sergei: "No, Ukraine, Kiev is Ukraine"
    Ziggy: "It's the same difference though"
    Sergei: "No, you are wrong".
    I was actually very impressed by that particular dialog to be honest, Ukrainians have predominantly tried to distance themselves from Russia since before the collapse of the Soviet Union. And I'm sure you've all seen what's happened in Ukraine the last 18 months.

  • @mastod0n1
    @mastod0n1 Месяц назад

    Sergei isn't Russian. He's Ukrainian, which was a significant difference to him in that scene with Ziggy and a massive difference nowadays.

  • @chairmanmeow2588
    @chairmanmeow2588 Месяц назад

    I think they probably just knew he didn't know anything so no reason to waste there time killing him.

  • @alhollywood6486
    @alhollywood6486 Год назад +6

    Did he have hands?

  • @elftax
    @elftax 3 месяца назад

    This is dumb speculation, Sergei was a key lieutenant so he would have a paid lawyer…a lawyer who is also connected to the Greeks. The Greeks knew exactly what Sergei told the police before the ink was dry.

  • @crrntvntsnthnlnftnsscmmnty
    @crrntvntsnthnlnftnsscmmnty Год назад

    The big question: what gets The Greek up in the morning? The short answer is 'business; always business'. But that doesn't feel wholly convincing.
    With Tony Soprano, he is a degenerate gambler and has numerous ties that bind him to his life - not least an oath to the Di Meo family. The Greek....it just doesn't feel that way.

    • @trenttrip6205
      @trenttrip6205 Год назад

      He seems to enjoy a great deal of wealth, just on a classier and less flashy level than most gangsters. We see he has a pretty fulfilled social life eating at fine restaurants and stuff.

  • @joseluki
    @joseluki 5 месяцев назад

    You overstimate how much did he know.

  • @TheRealAshworth
    @TheRealAshworth 3 дня назад

    Y’all should’ve just asked me 🤔😂

  • @charlespirate1
    @charlespirate1 Год назад +2

    “Highly realistic” really?

    • @madhack69
      @madhack69 Год назад

      Agreed, but more realistic than any Dick Wolf produced show

  • @henrygonzalez360
    @henrygonzalez360 2 месяца назад

    I guess thet knew that he never had the making of a varsity athlete.😂😂
    Those who know, will laugh.

  • @caffeinatedbuffalosauce883
    @caffeinatedbuffalosauce883 Год назад

    Phil did 20 years

  • @alekshukhevych2644
    @alekshukhevych2644 Год назад

    Sergey was Ukrainian though, he clarifies that with Ziggy.

  • @finnamdahlflor3318
    @finnamdahlflor3318 Год назад +1

    Sergei is from Ukraine. He corrects Ziggy on this.

    • @alanmjohnson
      @alanmjohnson Год назад

      I think the video calling him Russian was just setting up the joke in the next line.

  • @Klinfran
    @Klinfran 2 месяца назад

    The Greek represents capitalism destilled to its purest essence (said by the creator of the series), he is motivated exclusively by financial gain and nothing else, revenge or disloyalty means nothing to him, if a investment doesnt pay off he wont do it, if something doesnt threat his enterprise he wont act against it.
    Wathever damage Sergei or Nick could do it was already done, sending someone to kill them for ratting when they couldnt threat him anymore was a wasteful investment so he didnt make it.

  • @sallobo777
    @sallobo777 Год назад +1

    Can you make an analysis video on the Breaking Bad Super Bolw thing?
    What's going on in the video; did Walt and Tuco fake their deaths and Jesse went back to the game?
    Tuco laid low until everyone in the cartel was whipped by Gus, and when Gus was gone, Tuco came out of hiding.
    Walt and Jesse came with elaborate plan to get a fake walt body in the morge.
    The D game is too hot so they move into baked chips business and find Tuco is in too.
    Thanks mate.

  • @KobaTheBori
    @KobaTheBori 5 месяцев назад +1

    What if The Greek is really a Turk

  • @shannon5492
    @shannon5492 6 месяцев назад

    Sergei's gangster

  • @soothingsounds70
    @soothingsounds70 Год назад

    The wire is Haych b o's😂

  • @eastbee1034
    @eastbee1034 Год назад +2

    Everybody was snitchin
    1) bubbs
    2) omar
    3) sergei
    4) nick sobatka
    5) dee
    6) bodie was about to talk
    7) avon snitched on the C.O.

    • @jdotglenn
      @jdotglenn Год назад +1

      Even the Greek was snitching.

    • @JayCity10
      @JayCity10 Год назад +1

      Stringer did also.

    • @eastbee1034
      @eastbee1034 Год назад +1

      @@JayCity10 You right!! I forgot about dat negga!! String was snitchin, settin up his people to get killed, breakin the sundy morning truce and smashin Dee babymoms!!
      Dat negga string was livin foul!! But in the end he got blast!!

    • @eastbee1034
      @eastbee1034 Год назад +2

      @@jdotglenn the game is foul like that!! Nobody live by them pretend codes because it aint no honor amongst thieves!!
      Neggaz pick and choose what codes they follow and when they want to follow them!!

    • @kingpin6753
      @kingpin6753 2 месяца назад +1

      Everybody except wee bay