What is a stealth killer in Dead by Daylight?
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It's a real question what does it really mean can we give a real statement to the question? Is pig a stealth killer? What about Skully?
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Stealth can also come in the form of a terror radius that is too large for Survivors to accurately tell how far you are from them, as the music and heartbeat both intensify based on tiers of the radius. The tiers themselves are percentage ranges of the whole radius, split into four categories:
100%. Outside of the radius.
99% - 67%. Outer third.
66% - 34%. Middle radius.
33% - 1%. Inner radius.
A "chase" can begin from 12m or less range, which is the default mid to close transition for most killer's radius.
The smaller your Terror radius, the easier it is to pinpoint your exact position as these ranges are smaller.
While a Survivor is Oblivious or the killer is Undetectable, the terror radius acts as though it is always at 100%+ range for detection purposes. For Oblivious specifically, perks that affect survivors within your Terror Radius still affect those who are Oblivious. Undetectable sets your Terror Radius to 0m, so these effects do not work during it. Undetectable also removes your red stain, while Oblivious does not.
For some killers deemed "too dangerous", a 'Lullaby' exists. This is a psuedo terror radius that can always be heard within a certain radius of the killer, even while they are undetectable or survivors are oblivious. Lullaby effects are on Huntress, Nightmare, and Onryo at all times. For Chucky, it is only during his power.
Unlike the other three, Chucky can benefit from undetectable and oblivious that doesn't come from his power without triggering his Lullaby. The same also goes for Dracula in bat form specifically.
Most of this is correct that last sentence is not. Oblivious does not trigger the laugh this is true but undetecable does for any reason not just from power use I have a video here on the channel testing it there are things to note with this tho the terror radius is louder then the laugh due to the auido layering so unforseen and Dar devotion are great to cover it up as well as a gen that is at least 60% done will be louder then the laugh as well and while I call it a lullaby BVHR does not and considering it does not show up with the visual like all the other BHVR doesn't either for some reason
and I do agree with the larger terror radius but because of that if makes defining the term even harder that is not even considering add ons and perks that can make killer play more into a stealth playstyle it's why it's again a hard term to define in a clear way everyone can agree with
@thefakebanette3483 Either way, to truly be stealthy, bring Distressing lmao.
You are so wise in the ways of science
Thank you, as a Ghostface Main it bugs me when people go "X is Stealth" when they simply HAVE some Stealth in their kits. I play mostly Stealth Killers, and they aren't the same thing as just having Stealth.
In my opinion, if their primary attack method is to sneak up and hit you or surprise you around loops, and they can instantly activate it on command whenever they like no matter how slow the activation is, then they're stealth no matter how bad the stealth is. So Sadako Wraith, Pig, and Ghostface are all true Stealth Killers, with Ghostie being the truest Stealth Killer. If they have no real control over it (it's temporary), it has a time limit but you can activate it yourself, or it happens conditionally for a time in a reliable manner, they are pseudo-stealth. Dredge, Myers, and Skurchent are pseudo-Stealth. I argue that Chucky and Spirit are also pseudo stealth because theirs is limited to a charge system. If you simply have an addon for it you're Playstyle-Specific stealth - this would cover someone like Huntress and her stealth addon, or Unknown with Unforeseen. Multiclass Killers like Drac IMHO cannot be stealth, he simply has Stealth, and Demo to me isn't Stealth because the Stealth is so short and its primary method of attack isn't ambush, It's chase.
So, there are Classes of Killers with stealth: True Stealth Killers, and Pseudo-Stealth Killers. Then you have Killers that just have a little Stealth as a tool or alternate playstyle.
I feel like by this logic wraith isn't a stealth killer either because of his growl, meaning ghostface is the only stealth killer. I don't personally agree with that. I feel like Wraith, Myers, Pig, Ghostface, Sadako, Skull merchant, Chucky, and arguable Dracula (I wouldn't say so) are stealth killers. Any character that can activate their stealth whenever they want while getting close to a survivor is what makes a stealth killer. The one exception to this in my opinion is Myers. Although he can't activate undetectable, his terror radius is so low in tier 2 that with things like monitor, basically gives his no terror radius.
One I forgot to mention is Freddy who also follows all of that logic as well but is not a stealth killer to most. But again it's a difference in opinion and we both have our reasons
@@thefakebanette3483 I think Freddy is Pseudo-Stealth. His stealth is very conditional, it works very specifically. I'd also argue Myers is Pseudo-Stealth because of no TR in Tier I and low TR in Tier II. But both Myers and Freddy have no actual control over their stealth, and I think Drac's in the same boat. They happen to have it but they don't have the ability to control how it gets used, and it's so minor as part of their intended play (Myers is a weird case IMHO though) that it doesn't matter to how you're supposed to use them. It's just a thing they CAN do.
If you are stealth, IMHO, you have full control over that aspect of your power. Ghostface is Stealth, Sadako is stealth (just not great at it). Chucky arguably could be either, but I think the time limited nature of his stealth is enough to slightly disqualify him as he's really more about chase down.
Very good vid, also another killer I think you forgot to mention is Spirit, cuz Spirit has some stealth to her kit apparently, but I don't consider her a stealth killer cuz of her phasing noises that people can hear except people with hard of hearing.
Side note: 6:09 I looked up Dracula's lullaby range in Bat Form on the wiki, it's actually 48 meters away and not 40 meters.
12:21 I really really wish they'd fix this bug. My boy keeps getting nerfed they could at least fix the bugs that don't let him scamper for some reason
27:20 watching you get that hit gave me so much pleasure, it's definitely a very unlikely hit but seeing a scamper use like that is always so golden to watch
This would explain why we have stealth killers... and "stealth" killers. 😂
I've only watched 10 minutes, but IMO, a stealth killer is a killer that can use undetectable both offensively and defensively.
In this sense, killers like singularity can use their stealth defensively by camping a gen or proxy camping a hook, but he can't do this offensively due to the inability to move.
Even without knowledge that he laughs once he gets close (I basically only play killer and I don't own Chucky, so I didn't know about the 12M laugh) I figured chucky was stealthy, but not a stealth killer, since due to the fleeting nature of hidey-ho (I think that's the name of his power) it could only be used offensively.
Wesker is a special case where despite the fact he doesn't have stealth, I think that with the right build he is also a stealth killer, plaything + pentimento is strong in general, but on Wesker it is absolutely insane due to the synergy undetectable has with his character. Besides the laugh he does while charging his power, he is very quiet while moving, and his size also plays to this strength.
Wesker was a weird one I've wanted to mention but seemed like he broke every rule as to what most consider a stealth killer and if you do things right you can use it to catch people of guard as Chucky BUT it's not a common thing
Also the main discussion point was the first 10 min so you good
Angry rant time... if Chucky isn't a stealth killer because of his 12m laugh, then Wraith wouldn't be because of his 20m bell and 40m woosh. I believe stealth killers should be defined as not having audible (or visual) tells for prolonged times. Chucky can be silent for around 20 or so seconds before reverting, with a cooldown of 12-14 seconds.
I respect opinions, but something I do agree with is not having a true "stealth killer," but that's because there were true stealth killers in the game. However, they are very weak, as seen with O.G. Wraith and Ghostface. When stealth is the ONLY power, it can't be used in advanced/pro scenarios.
BTW, sorry for the rant, great vid, keep it up.
HOW DARE YOU HAVE DIFFERANT OPNION AND GIVE YOUR REASONING FOR IT LOL
I see where you are coming from LOL it's just me a purpose thing mostly which I could have made more clear but your definition makes sense too
@@thefakebanette3483 Yeah, I was just questioning judgement because when I play Chucky I almost always get a gen grab in the beginning of the match. I know that probably won't work at high MMR, but still matches Ghostface's effectiveness. Keep up the good work BTW.
I mean it's anecdotal and depends on a lot. LOS blockers, how much gen progress(over 60% the laugh is actually masked), timing, the direction they happen to be looking, etc... and I don't try to put MMR as a factor since none of us can see it. Am I high mmr? Who knows
I think the problem here is trying to broadly generalize killers into category's. I personally consider skull merchant to be a stealth killer because I play her as one but to others maybe she is just sneaky or like a surprise killer. I think the terms people apply to killers is really arbitrary. I think with some builds even killers like doctor and hillbilly can be "stealth killers" I think the same thing is true of the whole M1 debate as well.
This is true and something I tried to touch on with the slider talk towards the end but terms like these help players understand what a killer is and does with a quick explanation that is why it's an terms like this are important to me. It helps people understand what a killer does. In league for example you can play any character as a support but there are specific ones that fit the definition. That's not even getting in to sub categories like enchanter vs mage but tho are also well defined terms
I agree, but by definition if you need perks or an addon to make a Killer have stealth, they can't be considered stealth - just able to BE Stealth if you play them that way. It has to be part of the kit, and has to be a strong enough part of the kit in my eyes that it features in their normal gameplay.
Ghostface can also BE a Chasedown Killer if you run Drop-Leg Knife Sheath and put chase perks on him, but that doesn't mean he's supposed to be chase, does it? Of course not. Because he's not a chase Killer, you have to build him that way to make him be one.
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same bug has been happening to me. sucks.
Im 10 minutes into the video, but i have to say that, respectfully, I disagree with your take so far. Its easier to call out people for not paying attention to every single queue given to survivors from the killer side, especially when you main said killer. "They arent paying attention, or they arent using headphones." Ive had matches where ive preran against mirror myers on lery's because i heard the breathing, Ghostface has quite a noticable sound when he crouches, and if were using the pig rationale you gave, he shouldent even be doing that. Every single stealth killer has tells to look out for with varying degrees of difficulty. Ironically skull merchant is one of the only ones alongside ghostface (if he chooses to grab or m1 eithout crouching) that has basically no tells. Id classify the stealth subgenre to a variety of killers that can potentially catch a survivor off guard, and get either a little, or a lot of free distance from their basekit from the lack of info being fed to the survivor.
While true the do have tell I feel ones like Ghostface are way less obvious then Chucky's in particular and many of the other killers you bring up the point of Skully as she does have none, that I am aware of, and is one of if not the quitiest killer in the game but I think the function is also something I brought up as well where Ghostface and wratih, more so ghostface, as a power that is 100% dependent on the stealth from their kits Chucky, Sadako, Pig, Larry, Xeno, etc.. can really take it or leave it. It's nice that it's there but it doesn't really complete the kit imo and are either part of thier set up Pig- Ambush Chucky-Slice and Dice Sadako- Teleport or just kind of there Skully, Dredge, Larry, Xeno. And if the definition is "potentially catch of guard" then Wesker and Freddy would have to count for separate reasons. Mine, yours and many other peoples definitions of the term "stealth" killer are just too broad I feel and I honestly don't know what I more accurate definition would be that we can all get behind but ty for the rebuttal I don't want an echo chamber and it's just my thoughts and reasoning for the term the main point I was trying to make is Chucky has stealth in his kit but isn't really a stealth killer in the conventional sense.
This is the automated replay youtube gave me I was just curious LOL "It's definitely a more nuanced discussion than I initially realized. I'm still trying to wrap my head around what makes a killer "stealthy," and I think you're right that there's more to it than just a lack of tells."
I’m only 3 minutes into the video so i’m not sure what conclusions you come to, but my answer would be consistency.
Slinger is an M2 killer because he most consistently gets/forces injuries/down by using his gun. I use the word “forces” because ADSing and baiting a dodge to get an M1 should count as well.
Trapper is a bit more difficult, but I think it comes down to not having traps at all times and not having direct control of the traps after you place them. If you place it someplace and a survivor doesn’t loop there, boom your an M1 killer. You can still technically force injuries and downs with it by placing traps at strong loops during a chace, but there are just too many variables for me to call it consistent, thus he’s an M1.
I strongly believe I could use this logic for any killer, and I can’t think of any off of the top of my head that would cause trouble.
For stealth, I think it’s very similar, though id also add a third category of “stealthy” killers.
Ghost Face is obviously stealth. He spends lots of time undetectable and gets injury’s and downs using that stealth directly. He has it on a relatively generous cooldown and can make use of it in lots of ways.
Skull merchant is a “Stealty” killer. She has some elements of stealth that are pretty consistent, but her kit is not centered around it and it does not get her significant amounts of injuries/downs. (Also an interesting example of m1 vs m2 as i’d say pre rework she was an m2 and post rework shes an m1)
Chucky is not a stealth killer. His stealth is incidental to his kit and the footsteps are more important than any lack of terror radius is. Id say he’s more similar to silent chainsaw billy, where yeah the suprise helps you get downs but the more important part is the guy running at mach fuck with a chainsaw (or the little doll with a larger-than-average-knife). You could remove the stealth from both killers and they stay the same fundamentally. Also, in chase the stealth aspect of it has basically no use. The footsteps are, again, more effective than anything else and he’s short enough anyway that loosing red stain isn’t as important as some other killers.
Overall, i’d love to be challenged on any and all of my points! I’ll continue watching the video as I’m curious what conclusions you come to, but i wont be suprised if it comes down to something similar to consistency as I see no other even semi viable way of categorizing it.
Edit 1: Ah! I’m already somewhat disagreeing with you! I know I kinda just made up my own category to make life easier, but i’d say pig is a stealthy killer. Her crouch is useable consistently as a tool to suppress your terror radius to get hits by sneaking up. Yes, she is slower. But you absolutely do consistently get value from that aspect. In chase its a bit more difficult as its entirely linked to the charge, but i’d also say this has large elements of stealth. By loosing height from what she normally has and loosing red stain, the survivor has to play much differently around many loops. Since she of course also had the charge that definitely brings down her stealth status, but without the crouching and undetectability, she would loose a lot of power. Overall, I say she is stealthy, and if you really made me choose i’d call her a stealth killer as her hits and downs come consistently from stealthing. (Also another interesting m1 vs m2, id call her an m1 killer. You will not convince me most of her hits come from the dash itself.)
Edit 2: Haha you do the same thing! Sneaky killer vs Stealthy. I like yours better as its more differentiated from the word Stealth. I’m stealing that for sure.
reading this was fun ngl it was like a play by play of understanding
@ lol, glad you enjoyed. I find writing helps me understand my thought process a lot better, otherwise everything is much too unorganized.
I call the "stealth" killers jumpscare killers
Idk why we don't have more true stealth killers. Rn the only viable option for true stealth is Wraith, and he is the 2nd killer ever made. Ghostface and Scratch Mirror Myers are ur only other real options, and neither are very good compared to Wraith. Imo it's these three stealth killers that invoke the most fear in survivors, which should be the beauty of this game; being scared.
I think chucky by definition has to be a stealth killer because functionally speaking, What is hidey ho mode and why does it exist? Why couldn't it just be that he can just slice and dice with M2 without these extra steps? Stealth can be argued as a lack of information from the survivor end and by design Chucky has that with:
- Undetectable with a press of a button
- Fake footsteps
- Short height
- also 12 meter laugh is REALLY close
You also said that survivors dont like chucky because he forces them to pay attention, When you said that my mind immediately came to ghostface and wraith. Sure, Chucky DOES have a tell, you'll know when he's sneaking up on someone. but how can you be so confident that he's never sneaking up on you? Anyways, I think you are definitely more informed with more counterpoints to my counterpoints since you actually main the guy, BUT I think just playing chucky doesn't always give the full picture, if most of the playerbase is survivor players, and most survivor players feel that chucky is a stealth killer based on what they played against, then who could really tell them that they're wrong?
I am not saying they are wrong it's a opinion based of how i define what a stealth killer is I say it in confidence because it's what I believe and I feel the more broad definition doesn't work because of all the exceptions. Part of it tho is the main purpose of the power, like I said similar to pig who also has on demand stealth, the main point of it is to prep the m2 not so much the undectable. Again if you think he's a stealth killer I understand why I just don't see it that way from people playing off the tells as much as they often do. It's not a black and white answer and never will be and part of why I like asking the question and giving my reasoning is to try and come to an understanding with what it really means to help define killers in the future it's why I mentioned the slider a bit as well and bringing up the m1vs m2 debate because it's similar in that sense of everyone has a different definition but that doesn't help us with blanket statements. For example if someone says "buff/nerf stealth killers" or something along those lines we need an understanding of what that person means with the term stealth killer which based on your statement vs mine is not an easy thing to get right. But ty for the comment, again I see the argument and the counter points I feel he CAN be a stealth killer but he isn't one like pseudo stealth as some have said and sneaky vs stealth like I said
Even the face ghost that never gets to use his power, because SWF?
Chucky is definitely more of a hybrid killer, Ghostface is stealth fs. EZ. 😂
I feel like the pig is very close to become a stealth killer i buff to her speed while sneak mode and she will become one
Hux and ceno are not but can work has staelth since xeno can fake using tunel and hux puch survavorr to gim with histoire cam,most notibly camping in midwitch outdoor hook
I feel like Spirit is kind of a stealth killer. I mean the fact she quite literally goes invisible is crazy stealth
You say that and I kind of agree but she was actually never brought up whenever I asked so for some reason she is not considered one by most again leading to my main issue of us not being able to agree on terms making most of them kind of pointless to even use
I'd consider Spirit to be Pseudo-Stealth. She can activate it on command and it is really good around loops, but it's limited. Compare that to someone like Wraith who has it on command all the time without a time limit, or someone like Ghostface whose entire attack method hinges on not chasing and ambushing with stealth, ideally in one hit. It's just not the same.