The people saying he's queerbaiting are just misinformed and the same people that think billie eilish shouldn't be dressing differently all of the sudden
@@MaRyaYTOfficial they might belong to different groups of people but at the same time they are just as judgemental and short sighted as the group they don't belong to. Like, I'm no fan of either of the two artists (they are both hella talented don't get me wrong) it's just not my typa music, but imo they can dress however the fuck they want without having to be put in a box, and if they don't want to talk about it they dont have to just because they're famous. They are people ffs Okay this topic made me rant, I'm sorry if any of this comes of as rude, I'm just passionate about not having to explain yourself
I don't understand why people are so pressed. He's just wearing what he wants, and to say that he's "queerbaiting" implicitly puts clothing into the very boxes we're trying to eliminate.
I cannot be sure, but people are most likely pressed because of past incidents of queerbaiting as a costume to gain popularity, similar to wearing styles of other cultures and then being able to remove the costume and benefit from heterosexual privilege, white privilege etc. They want to make sure that they're actually being embraced, vs pandered to because it's popular right now
@@Nonyah123 still sounds like a lot of confusion. How do you tell the difference between someone embracing your culture and pandering to it? Sounds like a very fine line. Sounds like someone just have to chill and let people wear what they want. And if you just look at 70s and 80s, you'll see that Harry is not the first musician, who's wearing feminine clothing, far from it. Look at David Bowie. Look at any rock band of that time. I dont think those musicians cared about pandering to any community. Wearing gender neutral/feminine clothes is not anything new and its annoying that people pay so much attention to it, making it almost a partisan issue.
@@ollievorsina4563 it was common and popularized then. It isn't now. Queer people are still harassed daily for the way they dress. So yes, it's confusing, but its also understandable why people as sus
Harry shouldn't be required to label his sexuality to be allowed to wear feminine clothing. He actually doesn't owe us disclosure about his sexuality at all, which is weird and obsessive thing for so called "fans" of Harry who claim he's queer baiting to care about. If they truly supported lgbt+ people, they wouldn't force us into boxes (like labels, which are a choice) then get pissed if we don't feel comfortable with them. People forcing him to disclose a label for his sexuality when he doesn't want to are weirdos.
many many people take baby steps into coming out by starting with saying "don't label me" or "unlabeled" because they aren't ready to come out. That is totally valid. If Harry never goes any further with public sexual identity, that is valid. It's none of our business really. It took me to 50 years of age to come out as bi...everyone has their own pace and their own journey etc...
Yes!! At the end of the day, whether or not he discloses it, if he is a straight cisgender male or otherwise, then so be it! Let Harry wear what he wants to wear! You said this so well!
I feel like the queerbaiting accusation could be thrown at Taylor Swift, if anyone, because of her one colorful album, then nothing, so it feels more like a money grab, but who knows? She could have a whole inner dialogue going on that we don’t know about
people who say harry is queerbaiting are so odd to me because he has said that he doesn’t label his sexuality and that he doesn’t see himself as a style icon. he’s dressing for himself and that’s it.
@@waterbearer4627 most celebrities have a stylists putting them in clothes to keep them relevant… his stylist isn’t his boss, Harry no doubt has a say in what he wears
Great commentary, as always, Luke, thank you. Even my six-year-old son was told, on the playground, "You're wearing girl boots." (He was wearing the black, sparkle Hunters.) His reply was, "No, I'm not. I picked them, myself, and I'm a boy, so they're boy boots."
@zebb It's so cool that you wrote this. I can't wait to show him your comment. He always compliments people, when he likes their look, and it makes him so happy to receive a compliment, as well. This will definitely be the best one he's ever received; thank you for being so kind in your thoughts and for sharing them, too!
@@emelythien4288 thank you so much for your lovely thoughts! He's very confident; I hope he never loses that. If he likes his boots, he doesn't care what anyone else thinks, they're awesome and everyone else is crazy not to appreciate them. But thank you for appreciating him! He's loving the love!
Thank you all for your love for my kid! I just showed him, this morning: "Look! A hundred and fifty-nine people like what you said! Only one stupid kid disliked your boots; all these other smart people agree with you." It's probably not great parenting to call someone else's kid stupid, but, regardless, thanks for letting mine know you all got his back. He was absolutely thrilled!
Luke brought up the very important question “is it fashion or are you just thin?” And I keep seeing these posts about how much “bolder” Adele is with her fashion now when she used to be more conservative with her wardrobe, and I can’t help but be frustrated. It’s not that she’s any bolder than she used to be, it’s that she is now a size that more brands will style. She’s not more more fashionable, she’s just thinner. She has more options. I’m glad Luke is pointing this out.
yeah, it it’s just sad that she could only start expressing herself through fashion once she was thinner? and if you were an outsider just looking at how her outfits progressed when her body changed it kinda reinforces the idea that you have to be skinny to be fashionable, but like you said, it’s not that she didn’t want to express herself through fashion when she was bigger, it was because she couldn’t.
This is an interesting take, I never thought of it that way. I thought it had more to do with her age, becoming more confident with fashion as she's gotten older and knows who she is.
Yeah Adele always looked fabulous, but her wardrobe didn’t vary much. She knew what she liked, and what looked good on her, and kept it to that. Now that her body is different, there are more things that look “good” on her, so we see variety. I still think it’s all very in-keeping with Adele’s 60s-esque style. Her hair and make up remain much the same, beautiful blow outs and 60s eye make up. I love it. I love her, I wish the world would just let her music be the conversation, not her body.
@@ginao6810 i think people also forget that when she first hit the music scene in 08, the fashion was awful for everyone at the time regardless of size 😅🙃 the clothing was terrible, no one looked good 😂
As Eddy Izzard once said, ""No, I wear dresses. They’re my dresses, I buy them. It’s like when women wear trousers, they’re not cross-dressing. They’re not wearing men’s trousers, they’re wearing trousers.”
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My issue with harry is less with him and more with the people who have made him out to be the pillar of gender deconstruction and inclusivity for men. When there have been so many openly queer men especially men of color doing it for so much longer. And people really act oblivious that his whole stylist is a nonbinary person who most likely was breaking gender norms and embracing clothing has no gender and is fluid, just not in the public spotlight. He isn't queerbaiting but unfortunately some brands are already out there capitalizing on his look to do just that.
The fact that people are saying that Harry is queerbaiting is so hypocritical to me. The LGBTQ+ community (which I'm part of) claims that clothes and fashion shouldn't be based on gender or sexual orientation but then they be hating when men like Harry (who doesn't label himself) wear "femenine" clothes. Like? If women can wear suits a man should be able to wear a dress, but simply because he isn't open ab his gender or sexuality people just assume he is straight and start saying he is "queerbaiting" AND even if he was indeed straight he should be able to wear those clothes. One thing that I agree with is that I don't think he should be the face of idk "Men wearing femenine clothing" bc a lot of men in the past (queer or not) already have wore these "groundbreaking" type of clothes, but the fact that he is highly praised for it or like some people say that he is "overhyped" isn't his fault, that's just some fans taking it on an extreme level or saying it as exaggerating compliments
It seems that there is a portion of the LGBTQ+ community that gatekeeps certain things and claims them to be “gay”; it is quite frustrating to the people who want everything to be shared. I however can understand them deciding that trends can be for “gays” to more easily identify someone they can relate to.
Exactly, we have to take into account that while he wasn't the creator of certain style, people forget he's a singer with tons of fans that of course will hype him up to get any exposure
Regardless of gender or sexuality, people should be allowed to wear what they want. If cis straight men wearing stereotypically feminine clothing is queer baiting then wouldn't the same work for cis straight women wearing stereotypically masculine clothing? Defining what one group can and cannot wear will automatically define what everyone else can wear. Just entertaining the idea of attaching gender and sexuality to clothing verges on toxic masculinity and the idea that if cis straight men wear anything out of the norm they are not real men. Wearing a skirt will not make a cis straight man gay or a woman, it's just clothing. Clothing is a form of self-expression, it does not define one's gender or sexuality. This argument makes me think of what Shawn Mendes has said about people speculating about his sexuality. Just because he has qualities that some think are feminine he has to deal with rumours about his sexuality.
If he is 100% straight and still uses non labels then that is problematic. I’m a bisexual guy who is still in the closet. I came out to two of my friends only in the past and one of them stopped talking to me. If I ever come out to my family, I’m sure I’m going to loose most of them. All this I bet a straight person won’t have to go through. They don’t have to go through discrimination not just from public but from from their families too. So if he says he doesn’t use labels then I would think he is not straight
@@joshuaramirez3440 That makes no sense. Are you saying people who are only attracted to the opposite sex cannot say they view themselves as gender neutral? Gender and sexuality are two different things.
@@-Anjel no one is talking about gender. I’m just saying if a person’s sexuality is Straight then it is very problematic of that person going for non labels. People don’t face discrimination in terms of sexuality when they are straight. They don’t have fear of loosing friends and families, people talking stuff about you. That’s all I’m saying not bringing no gender
because women being more like men is okay bc manliness is accepted and rewarded. a man dressed in "womens" clothing is deemed as undesirable or shocking bc feminine traits and women as a whole are viewed as lesser. (just my thoughts from a gender in society perspective)
@@kaemincha yep. but on the other hand when harry styles wears feminine clothes, people praise him for breaking gender norms but where’s the praise for women breaking gender norms all this time?
I assume Harry wears what he likes and doesn't care what body the designer had in mind at the moment. As long as he is happy in his clothes that is what matters. His sexuality is his own business. I don't understand why people get so invested in who someone else sleeps with. Celebrities are human too and are entitled to privacy if they want it. Also, his clothing doesn't determine his sexuality.
yeah I was surprised that luke didn't catch that. I mean I'm not American or into sports and I immediately thought of Rodmans wedding dress because he caused big enough waves with his appearance and behaviour that he reached headlines and into conversations beyond America or sports. He usually catches stuff like this so I was surprised that he didn't. I wonder if he knows much about Dennis Rodman, he'd be an interesting figure to tackle in a video by himself.
@@RealElongatedMuskrat he’s too young to know who it is. I love billy porter but it annoys me that he gets more credit than Dennis Rodman for what he did for masculinity in the 90s
Maybe it's because Dennis is a giant compared to Cudi, but Cudi's reads more like a first holy communion dress. Plus Dennis just put it on and owned it. Cudi's effort looks forced(much like the pictures of 8 year old me in my communion dress)
what? all this time we've been fighting to break up gender stereotypes when it comes to menswear/womenswear and now that we have someone who's comfortable to divert from the stereotypical menswear, it's queerbaiting?
honestly, thank you for bringing up the issue that's been frustrating me when it comes to people gendering clothing like this and acting as if straight femboys aren't a thing or insinuating that men aren't allowed to wear 'feminine' clothing styles without needing to be gay, because that harms everyone in the long run. Merely wearing gender non-conforming clothing does not make you a queerbaiter
Definitely. This is a bit of a random example but I was thinking this very same thing a few days ago when I saw someone say something along the lines of "he thinks he's such a big man and dresses like a queer" regarding Hasan Piker. He paints his nails and wears little pearl necklaces a lot, but other than that he dresses in a very stereotypically 'masculine' way - some people are so narrow minded in their ideas of clothing, gender and sexuality that an otherwise 'appropriately dressed' (in their eyes) straight cis man wearing nail polish and necklaces makes him 'look gay' and that that is inherently shameful. Those kind of people and their narrow view of the world are the ones who benefit from this bizarre policing of clothing. By accusing people of queer baiting for dressing how they want, you put them in a box based on a perception of them in the same way that people who say things like "eugh you wear nail polish, that's gay!".
I’ve said it a long time ago but I really wish you’d talk about the fashion in the anime Jojo’s bizarre adventure. The creator was obsessed with American style and fashion creators (a lot of characters’ names are derivative of designers: John Galli A, Annasui, Pucci). The fashion is so good too!! Crazy over the top but intriguing, colourful, and super creative.
About harry, I personally don't see it as queerbaiting just because the boys were hinting and encouraging them wearing dresses and nail polish early in their career; it seems like they just began freely expressing themself
It’s absolutely ridiculous when someone says that a women wearing men’s clothes or a man wearing women clothes is “queer baiting”. like no it’s just people wearing whatever they want, if you think that it’s problematic than you are the problem
If she were standing and we didn't see any part but the toe, we could assume it was a boot. 😂 That said, every time Tan France styles a person in a Chelsea boot, I feel a sigh of relief.
I read the comments before and expected you to be unfair but I thought you were actually quite rational and gave a reasoned explanation for your thoughts. Tbh you were acc quite nice about him. I'm also so validated by you liking the JPG look because it was my fave but the masses seemed to hate it .
Can we talk about how Zendaya has been referencing different Spiderman villains for the movie’s press tour?? They are so cool and I can’t wait for the premiere look❤️
You 👏 can’t 👏 queerbait 👏 real 👏 people 👏 it’s a film 👏 and literary 👏 term Sexuality and the experience of identity are fluid! I wish people would stop policing other people’s experience of life. I friggin hate it.
Cultural terms migrate across media. The fact that you learned of the concept in some film appreciation class won't keep it trapped there in amber forever.
@@lisettegarcia to some degree I can agree that queerbaiting can happen in real life via conscious manipulation but also... its not a great term to use in regards to irl people. Mainly for the reason that everyone is here to discuss. Harry Styles is a man who dresses in feminine clothing, but its not fair to say that he's queerbaiting because him exploring fashion and dressing how he wants should not immediately be seen as some sort of symbolic subtext or automatically queer. Actions in fiction differ greatly from actions in real life because in fiction, we have things like symbolism, subtext, and introspective context on the character that we can use to infer what certain things may mean, and when that character is displaying glaring LGBT subtext but still isn't confirmed to be in that group, then that is queerbaiting. Not to mention, development in fictional characters are often very deliberate, they are meant to mean something. But we don't have that introspection and we shouldnt have those expectations with real people, we just see Harry dressing up unconventionally, its not fair to him as an individual to make those same assumptions when we don't know him as intimately as we would know a character from a piece of fiction because he doesn't want us to know, which is perfectly within his right.
If a person is 100% straight and still uses non labels then that is problematic. I’m a bisexual guy who is still in the closet. I came out to two of my friends only in the past and one of them stopped talking to me. If I ever come out to my family, I’m sure I’m going to loose most of them. All this I bet a straight person won’t have to go through. They don’t have to go through discrimination not just from public but from from their families too. So if he says he doesn’t use labels then I would think he is not straight.
I think Selena needs to change stylist… she looks great at her current weight but the stylist clearly doesn’t know how to dress a midsize body type and is just putting her in dresses that are unflattering and takes away from her beauty.
Her stylist does her sooo wrong... i liked that red lv dress and the black minidress with the feather sleeves tho so maybe they are stepping it up or she changed her stylist
i feel like its worth adding that while harry does receive praise for his fashion adventures (and i do think he should, too), it doesn't come without criticism and hatred - and im not talking about accusations of queerbaiting. when his vogue cover came out, the conservatives jumped on his neck. ben shapiro had a melt down. the people who are against "cross" dressing (almost exclusively used regarding men wearing trad femme clothing) hate him for it. meanwhile the ones who enjoy what he is doing, enjoy it. and the latter part of the public are majoritively the same people who also love people like lil nas x and billy porter's imagery. i doubt anyone who praises harry for looking like the grinch is going to hate on montero for being a pink cowboy. however, the industry does definitely prefer harry; mostly as many other commenters have mentioned because of the ambiguity associated with him and his whiteness. i still think harry deserves praise for the fluidity in his image - while he gets it easier than others, it would absolutely be easier for him to go with a plain black suit like most male celebrities. that doesn't mean that he should be categorised as the inventor or as someone who is necessarily ground breaking; there have been countless of artists doing the same before him, as there are those doing it with him right now. two things can be true at once. finally, i find the accusation of queerbaiting to both make no sense and be gross. QB relates to alluding that two same sex fictional characters are in love with each other, really knead that in, and draw in queer viewers by insinuating that they will get the representation they are starved for. however, they won't end up coming through with it, and in the end, makes both characters canonically straight. the most known examples of this includes sherlock holmes and john watson in the show "sherlock" and dean winchester and castiel in "supernatural." a person cannot queerbait. and the fact that people feel this way about him, leads me to believe they feel as if they have some sort of ownership of his sexuality and gender. harry is such a public figure, whose sexuality and relationships have been questioned ever since he first took stage. i can imagine that at least this one thing, should it be true, he would want to keep to himself.
Harry arrived to the Dazed shoot in jeans and a t-shirt. I think he just dressing his persona as an artist. There is nothing special about it, it's not like we see him wearing dresses on his coffee run.
That’s normal though . You don’t see any other celebrities wearing their concert clothes or red carpet looks in their everyday life. I don’t think he wants to be noticed and harassed every times he goes outside.
@@clarissachang2358 I never said it was weird. I love the pictures and the looks are great. I just think the praise he gets is overhyped and stems from him being an attractive straight appearing public figure that also used to be in one of the most popular boybands. He doing nothing in the ordinary.
@@clarissachang2358 Of course. He should be free to express himself however he wants. I just think people need to realise that not everyone has the same privilege to express their gender, especially people of marginalised communities. There are people that can't wear a dress outdoors or paint their nails for their own safety. They will never appear on a magazine cover and don't get the same praise or credit. Cis white men have never been at the forefront of gender expression, yet it seems that we celebrate certain forms of gender expression on certain bodies. It's about knowing history, culture and acknowledging the struggle it was and still is for people to be themselves.
I need a house of gucci review. I wasn’t impressed personally, but I will admit when seeing TF for gucci and he’s collection I was smiling. Now let’s see what you think Luke
@@milescumminski8077 I thought the first half of it was pretty good, but the second half was dragging on. Jared’s performance for me was pure offensive CAMP. But we can agree it’s Gaga’s movie ,she was terrific.
Taylor & the dress she wore at the Seth Meyer show. Was one of the best look I’ve seen in November. But she also look powerful with that suit. She ate all of the look during the red promo.
my only issue I mainly have is the amount of praise he got for doing this, when others had and still do get hate for doing this and you can deny it all you want but it's true his white and a lot see him as a straight man so it's seen as differently to others, and that part is the issue. I don't see it as queerbaiting but I can see why people feel that way.
Yeah I agree lol. So many other men of color, who many of them are queer as well, have been doing stuff like this for years. But bc Harry is doing it, all of a sudden he’s a “fashion icon” and a “hero”. Which don’t get me wrong, as a someone who is against gendered clothes and is queer, I very much appreciate how far we’ve come. But so many other poc, queer men deserve this spotlight too
@@nateb746 hard agree. why are once again applauding a straight white man for doing “the bare minimum” (bare minimum in quotation because still not many men are willing to dress femininely like him but it’s still something so many other people in marginalised communities have done before him) and yeah it’s not his fault he gets all the attention but it’s just upsetting to see society prioritise and praise straight white men again and again.
completely agree and this is why I get pressed when people get pissed at him for wearing whatever he wants just because he gets attention for it instead of hyping up others that dress the way he does that get hate
Can we talk about how insanely hideous the Blumarine look was…? I’m actually baffled that a) anyone wants to bring that aesthetic back and b) they cut it that badly when trying to do so. Literally made me want to vomit. I thought that was far more controversial than what Harry styles has or hasn’t worn lol. 😂
THANK YOU I AGREE AND EVERYONE I KNOW LOVES THIS AESTHETIC 😩 I feel seen. Thank you for saying this controversial yet brave statement, the y2k fashion fans are passionate and I am a coward in the face of them.
It's just clothes, it doesn't have a gender! Whatever your sexuality, you can wear whatever you want. This argument about queerbaiting is so stupid to me. Then we wonder why men do not take any risk in their fashion choices... Men should be allowed to express themselves freely with their clothes, just like women.
I love you. Mi inner critic enjoys so much your connoisseur reviews and comments, even though I have almost nothing to do with fashion. I love how you make it about the expression, the art, the culture. Bravo
Am so confused what is queer baiting I thought clothes doesn’t have gender and I thought we are encouraging men to be more adventurous with clothes. Also no one has to disclose their sexuality, not everything is lgbt related.
And appreciable is not appreciate-able. Appreciable means detectable in a way that makes a difference. Ie. there is no appreciable difference in the (whatever) from then to now.
Ahhh I'd love to see a 2021 full year "best and worst looks" that recap all of these month videos! It would be fun to see the progression through the year and who was consistently nailing it and who... didn't... 👀
Why is people so pressed in deciding wht harry wears or wht his sexuality is????? Common stop it... He isnt queer baiting.. He is just being himself without hurting anyone.... If people feel offended by tht it's their prob.. Leave harry styles out of it..!!!
I don't get why people are mad at you for sharing your thoughts, the title is pretty straightforward and fully addressed. Make it make sense. Clothes should be for everybody, they are non-binary.
it’s not queerbaiting for the sole reason that he’s lowkey made it clear he doesn’t wanna label so he can’t be pretending to be something he’s not if he’s never said he is the former in the first place
he’s just wearing clothes that are more commonly viewed and modeled by woman. he’s not claiming to be lgbtq+ (at least through his clothing) people get too pressed about all the insignificant things but with real problems, no one cares. how bazar
I think when people feel confident about themselves, they can be attractive even when they are wearing the ugliest clothes. I also don’t get those accusing him of queer-baiting. Wearing dresses is not an indication of your gender. If women can wear pants without being judged about their sexuality, then why can’t men be free of judgement for doing the same thing?
I feel like an individual person not labeling their sexuality and wearing clothes that present a fluidity of gender isn’t “queer baiting”. Stories and characters can queerbait, a real person living their life isn’t queerbaiting.
People who claim “someone is queerbaiting by wearing certain clothes” are literally becoming what they hate and it’s so sad to me 😩 it’s basically a fancy way of saying “why do you dress so girly, are you gay or something?” Like what !!!???
The black tank/purple trouser look on Harry reminds me of Freddie Mercury’s ripped shirt in Queen’s music video for ‘Crazy Little Thing Called Love’. Especially with the motorcycle and rock influences, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was an inspiration.
One bit of context here is that Harry Styles was shipped with the other male members of One Direction for years. A large portion of One Direction's fanbase was significantly emotionally invested in him being in relationship with other men, and a proportion of those got so into it, they believed that the relationships they were projecting were 'real'. Basically, Harry x Louis (or whichever other band member) was treated in the same way as, say, Sherlock x John from BBC Sherlock or Dean x Castiel from Supernatural. Obviously, the key difference is _he's a real person_ . But I think that's one reason people misuse the term queerbaiting - they view Harry Styles as if he is a character in a tv show, and the 'showrunners' have been 'teasing' them about his sexuality for years. Being so invested in the sexuality of another real person that you view their sexuality as something made 'for you' is gross (real-person fanfiction makes me very uncomfortable for this reason). Of course, there may be other reasons people accuse him of 'queerbating' - but the fact that the man being accused of 'pretending' to be gay is the one who was fervently imagined to be in a relationship with other men by millions of people as a teenager, through no action on his part, is...ironic. It must be such a weird whiplash for him.
that 'being able to dress a woman who isn't a model body type' is a noteable achievement is so damn sad, being able to dress people should be a prereq for all designers but some seem happy to jsut treat women as mannequins/coat hangers
I mean the thing is, people often say gender expression is different then sexuality and gender and all those things don’t have to align. Which i personally as a queer person absolutely agree with. It doesn’t make sense to have that stance and then police things ppl wear and accuse them of queerbaiting. HOWEVER, I can say that the stakes and risk associated with a cis straight man (and even women, especially if they’re conventionally attractive and feminine) wearing clothes that break gender norms is very different the people who are visibly queer and trans doing so. It can endanger them. So I understand the frustration there but again. You have to remember historically that “cross dressing” literally been illegal. The issue of who can wear what is highly politicized so of course ppl will have strong reactions on both sides. And for that reason I understand why people try to gatekeep, even if it’s not right.
@@ANNEMARIE.K236 Just because he refuses to label his sexuality, doesn’t mean he’s not straight. You can sit there and says he’s apart of the LGBT+ or not straight outright when he’s never said. Him “hinting” at shit isn’t the words coming out of his own mouth. So please, stop it.
@@wiijuu93 this person is going through every comment about this man on this video commenting to be inflammatory. It’s best not to engage with them. Lol
it’s also the fact that he’s been praised for “breaking gender codes” when queer & poc persons have done in the past. just take a look at bowie, rick james, kurt cobain. he isn’t doing sth new.
WOWWWW Zendaya in Vera Wang looks phenomenal!! It's a very intriguing silhouette honestly, with the teeny tiny flat bandeau and then a sort of peplum skirt. Most of the times I've seen a peplum skirt sillhouette it usually hits closer to the waist, I think this one being lower on the hips was really surprising but made it look much more experimental. Something about it reminds me of Dr. Suess / the Lorax and I love that!
So I commented this on the first iteration of this video that got pulled and retitled: the Mugler corset is just an underwire bra over a slip I think. The Anna Taylor Joy red carpet look was definitely a reference to the 60s and Edie Sedgewick. Bob Dylan wrote a song about Edie called Leopard Skin Pillbox hat...
How can we be both gender fluid and call wearing typically feminine clothes queerbating? Like isn’t the goal to break the stereotype of what is “feminine” and what is “masculine”?
I love you’re support for the increasing acceptance of a larger size range being catered to. However I don’t feel that it’s very meaningful to see it on celebrities, when it’s not yet accessible to the general public. I am almost 6ft tall and a size 10- when I go into ANY haute couture store Anywhere- The Passiege de Gracia in Barcelona, Fifth Ave in Manhattan or the Champ de Lyseé in Paris- it doesn’t matter what store it it- they will never stock something in my size. I would be stunned if they had a euro size 40( us 8.) And it’s always been this way- unfortunately… I hope it will start to change, but realistically I don’t see it happening soon. I’ve seen plenty of writers lament the general available size range that high end stores keep in stock, but I have yet to see anything impact the reality of what one can actually purchase in-store.
Honestly the only criticism I have for Harry’s photoshoot is that most of the outfits were HIDEOUS. That Grinch-looking outfit was the worst of them all. You can break fashion barriers and be fashionable and I just don’t think that photoshoot was good. At all.
I can see why his fans are tired of this discussion, i don't see y'all do that everytime a woman wear pants. God leave that man alone. And stop using that tumblr term.
people who are constantly obsessed about whether a person is queerbaiting through their clothes are so so regressive. i thought we were trying to break stigmas and challenge stereotypes??
as a queer person, i get so annoyed when people say what harry styles does is queer baiting. it's not, and getting up in arms about that is just taking away from the real issue -- it's performative and i cannot deal with people who believe that. also, as an enby person, its so obvious they think that wearing clothing that doesnt 'belong' to your gender is a statement about your gender. when in actuality its about gender expression. like, i'm non-binary. but i dress femininely (ish) and wear long hair and makeup. that doesnt make me a woman.
Harry Styles can't queerbait because he's a real person and not a fictional character... this argument is so stupid to me and honestly kind of offensive. Whatever his sexuality, he should be allowed to present how he wants and wear what he likes.
Harry Styles is not a real person tho, you and me are real people, Harry is a celebrity, his existence is marketed for an audince that help him make money, the ideia of Harry Styles is a product sold to people. The choices he makes have far more power that the choices made by actual real people
Harry is straight. All this nonsense regarding not wanting to be labelled is just so that he can keep the intrigue going. So in that context, yes, he is queerbating.
I really don’t think people are ready to talk about this. Yes, clothes have no gender or at least shouldn’t have, BUT Harry getting praise for wearing a dress is just stupid. He may not be straight but has he ever assumed a relationship with someone that is not a blonde vs model type? Plus, his speeches are vague “treat people with kindness” is cute but now let’s talk LIKE ADULTS. Use your voice for things that MATTERS! A dress without action is just meaningless to me and deserves no praise at all. Wear whatever you want but at least do something to stop all this praise you get for no reason.
I think the “hate” mostly comes from the fact that his fans and the media act like harry is this innovative, groundbreaking and gender nonconforming fashion icon when all he does is put on stuff his stylists tell him to (cause let’s be honest in his every day life he is more than boring) and clothes that are just objectively ugly.
He isn’t just wearing what he’s told he actively seeks out the people he wants to work with and chooses his clothes, he’s a busy man and employs people to research upcoming designers and bring him info. It’s also not an easy choice for an ex boy bander to completely change the way he presents. He receives hate from the far right for emasculating men, from the gay community for stealing their thunder and gaybaiting, from POC for white privilege, from people like you who don’t understand that the point of fashion isn’t always to be aesthetically pleasing. Meanwhile he doesn’t complain, doesn’t explain, he just continues to have fun with clothes. And yes he is going to get attention and praise from his fans because he’s been working hard since the age of 16 in the entertainment industry to become this successful and well known and well liked
actually no we don't i think people need to stop saying his fans think this or that when in fact we don't none of us said that is was innovatie groundbreaking etc when in fact we know it isnt new none of said it was the only time it is ever brought up is none fans but ofc he isnt going to wear a dress to work out like lol. if you think there ugly thats your opinion but regardless he can wear what he wants ugly nor not just like everyone else. idk why you acting like every celeb doesnt do this as in wearing dressly clothings etc on stage red carpets etc then when jogging wears differet things
People say that they don’t want men to be pressured by toxic masculinity and when a man does that and just start wearing clothes that he wants and are not gender based they say it’s queer bating and get mad... please pick a struggle
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Men should be allowed to wear whatever they want, without it being treated as a statement about their sexuality.
Yes, I agree. Everyone should. Harry styles is NOT queerbating, people!!!!!!!!!
The people saying he's queerbaiting are just misinformed and the same people that think billie eilish shouldn't be dressing differently all of the sudden
@@user-qm8xe9tl9t I think those are pretty different groups of people
My take as well. Clothing is separate from sexuality.
@@MaRyaYTOfficial they might belong to different groups of people but at the same time they are just as judgemental and short sighted as the group they don't belong to. Like, I'm no fan of either of the two artists (they are both hella talented don't get me wrong) it's just not my typa music, but imo they can dress however the fuck they want without having to be put in a box, and if they don't want to talk about it they dont have to just because they're famous. They are people ffs
Okay this topic made me rant, I'm sorry if any of this comes of as rude, I'm just passionate about not having to explain yourself
I don't understand why people are so pressed. He's just wearing what he wants, and to say that he's "queerbaiting" implicitly puts clothing into the very boxes we're trying to eliminate.
Goes to show this entire community is confused and doesn't know what it wants. I'm really trying my best not to say a bad word here.
I cannot be sure, but people are most likely pressed because of past incidents of queerbaiting as a costume to gain popularity, similar to wearing styles of other cultures and then being able to remove the costume and benefit from heterosexual privilege, white privilege etc. They want to make sure that they're actually being embraced, vs pandered to because it's popular right now
@@Nonyah123 still sounds like a lot of confusion. How do you tell the difference between someone embracing your culture and pandering to it? Sounds like a very fine line. Sounds like someone just have to chill and let people wear what they want.
And if you just look at 70s and 80s, you'll see that Harry is not the first musician, who's wearing feminine clothing, far from it. Look at David Bowie. Look at any rock band of that time. I dont think those musicians cared about pandering to any community.
Wearing gender neutral/feminine clothes is not anything new and its annoying that people pay so much attention to it, making it almost a partisan issue.
@@ollievorsina4563 it was common and popularized then. It isn't now. Queer people are still harassed daily for the way they dress. So yes, it's confusing, but its also understandable why people as sus
@@Nonyah123 it was common for rock musicians, not for regular folk. It was artists' way to rebel and express themselves.
Harry shouldn't be required to label his sexuality to be allowed to wear feminine clothing. He actually doesn't owe us disclosure about his sexuality at all, which is weird and obsessive thing for so called "fans" of Harry who claim he's queer baiting to care about. If they truly supported lgbt+ people, they wouldn't force us into boxes (like labels, which are a choice) then get pissed if we don't feel comfortable with them. People forcing him to disclose a label for his sexuality when he doesn't want to are weirdos.
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Facts🤌🤌thank you for saying this i was trying to post a response but could not find the words
many many people take baby steps into coming out by starting with saying "don't label me" or "unlabeled" because they aren't ready to come out. That is totally valid. If Harry never goes any further with public sexual identity, that is valid. It's none of our business really. It took me to 50 years of age to come out as bi...everyone has their own pace and their own journey etc...
Yes!! At the end of the day, whether or not he discloses it, if he is a straight cisgender male or otherwise, then so be it! Let Harry wear what he wants to wear! You said this so well!
I feel like the queerbaiting accusation could be thrown at Taylor Swift, if anyone, because of her one colorful album, then nothing, so it feels more like a money grab, but who knows? She could have a whole inner dialogue going on that we don’t know about
people who say harry is queerbaiting are so odd to me because he has said that he doesn’t label his sexuality and that he doesn’t see himself as a style icon. he’s dressing for himself and that’s it.
YESS
SAY IT QUEEN
He is not dressing himself, he has a stylist choosing clothes to keep him relevant and on trend.
@@waterbearer4627 the dazed magazine says that he picked out the jpg knit look himself.
@@waterbearer4627 most celebrities have a stylists putting them in clothes to keep them relevant… his stylist isn’t his boss, Harry no doubt has a say in what he wears
Great commentary, as always, Luke, thank you. Even my six-year-old son was told, on the playground, "You're wearing girl boots." (He was wearing the black, sparkle Hunters.) His reply was, "No, I'm not. I picked them, myself, and I'm a boy, so they're boy boots."
@zebb It's so cool that you wrote this. I can't wait to show him your comment. He always compliments people, when he likes their look, and it makes him so happy to receive a compliment, as well. This will definitely be the best one he's ever received; thank you for being so kind in your thoughts and for sharing them, too!
probs to your son, he's a real one.
@@emelythien4288 thank you so much for your lovely thoughts! He's very confident; I hope he never loses that. If he likes his boots, he doesn't care what anyone else thinks, they're awesome and everyone else is crazy not to appreciate them. But thank you for appreciating him! He's loving the love!
@zebb My kid says, "Ooooh! So nice!"
Thank you all for your love for my kid! I just showed him, this morning: "Look! A hundred and fifty-nine people like what you said! Only one stupid kid disliked your boots; all these other smart people agree with you." It's probably not great parenting to call someone else's kid stupid, but, regardless, thanks for letting mine know you all got his back. He was absolutely thrilled!
Luke brought up the very important question “is it fashion or are you just thin?” And I keep seeing these posts about how much “bolder” Adele is with her fashion now when she used to be more conservative with her wardrobe, and I can’t help but be frustrated. It’s not that she’s any bolder than she used to be, it’s that she is now a size that more brands will style. She’s not more more fashionable, she’s just thinner. She has more options. I’m glad Luke is pointing this out.
yeah, it it’s just sad that she could only start expressing herself through fashion once she was thinner? and if you were an outsider just looking at how her outfits progressed when her body changed it kinda reinforces the idea that you have to be skinny to be fashionable, but like you said, it’s not that she didn’t want to express herself through fashion when she was bigger, it was because she couldn’t.
This is an interesting take, I never thought of it that way. I thought it had more to do with her age, becoming more confident with fashion as she's gotten older and knows who she is.
Queen latiffa is not thin, but she have a lot of style and bold looks so I dont Think is that the reason. Maybe she just want to experiment more
Yeah Adele always looked fabulous, but her wardrobe didn’t vary much. She knew what she liked, and what looked good on her, and kept it to that.
Now that her body is different, there are more things that look “good” on her, so we see variety. I still think it’s all very in-keeping with Adele’s 60s-esque style. Her hair and make up remain much the same, beautiful blow outs and 60s eye make up. I love it. I love her, I wish the world would just let her music be the conversation, not her body.
@@ginao6810 i think people also forget that when she first hit the music scene in 08, the fashion was awful for everyone at the time regardless of size 😅🙃 the clothing was terrible, no one looked good 😂
As Eddy Izzard once said, ""No, I wear dresses. They’re my dresses, I buy them. It’s like when women wear trousers, they’re not cross-dressing. They’re not wearing men’s trousers, they’re wearing trousers.”
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Eddy Izzard is a gift 🥺❤️
Eddie is also a genderfluid person so.
I agree
taylor’s stylist was WORKING that week her black dress on seth meyers was gorgeous too
If we‘re being honest, all of her Red (TV) promo appearances were amazing, so I absolutely agree with you ☺️
merlesstorys ya she ate that week there wasn’t one totally bad look
Timestamps:
Adele 0:27
Anitta 2:29
Anya Taylor Joy 3:46
Ariana Grande 6:34
Billie Eilish 7:09
Ciara 8:20
Cynthia Erivo 8:57
Dua Lipa 10:03
Elle Fanning 11:09
Emily Ratajkowski 12:19
Finneas 14:27
Gwyneth Paltrow 15:23
Harry Styles 16:16
Imaan Hamaam 20:08
Jada Pinkett Smith 20:37
Jared Leto 21:33
Kid Cudi 22:14
Kim Kardashian 24:07
Lady Gaga 25:43
Lil Nas X 26:55
Lizzo 27:37
Lorde 28:49
Megan Thee Stallion 29:21
Meghan Markle 30:45
Miley Cyrus 32:14
Paloma Elsesser 33:01
Rita Ora 34:07
Sabrina Carpenter 35:02
Salma Hayek 35:39
Saweetie 36:13
Selena Gomez 37:38
Serena Williams 38:08
Taylor Swift 38:44
Tessa Thompson 39:47
Zendaya 40:58
I did this quite quickly, so there is most likely a spelling mistake or two. If you notice a mistake, please do tell me :)
Thanks for doing this!
ty bestie
He does these alphabetically omg i never realised
@@cucu4844lol don't worry. Every time I make timestamps I get this comment at least once, so you're definetely not alone with it.
Bravo!
If a female celebrety can rock a suit, then a male celebrety should be allowed to rock a dress 🤷🏻♀️
Exactly! People should chill out about Harry. Everyone should be able to wear what makes them feel great!
My issue with harry is less with him and more with the people who have made him out to be the pillar of gender deconstruction and inclusivity for men. When there have been so many openly queer men especially men of color doing it for so much longer. And people really act oblivious that his whole stylist is a nonbinary person who most likely was breaking gender norms and embracing clothing has no gender and is fluid, just not in the public spotlight. He isn't queerbaiting but unfortunately some brands are already out there capitalizing on his look to do just that.
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I think Harry needs to get "I dress for myself" tattooed on his forehead so people will stop saying things like this.
And he would probably still look sexy with that tatt on his forehead.
He probably would, since everything about him is shallow and surface level. He's an image to sell records and make money.
@@RandomNirvanaSXE you comment this on every comment about harry, obsessed much?
@@RandomNirvanaSXE fan behavior
The fact that people are saying that Harry is queerbaiting is so hypocritical to me. The LGBTQ+ community (which I'm part of) claims that clothes and fashion shouldn't be based on gender or sexual orientation but then they be hating when men like Harry (who doesn't label himself) wear "femenine" clothes. Like? If women can wear suits a man should be able to wear a dress, but simply because he isn't open ab his gender or sexuality people just assume he is straight and start saying he is "queerbaiting" AND even if he was indeed straight he should be able to wear those clothes.
One thing that I agree with is that I don't think he should be the face of idk "Men wearing femenine clothing" bc a lot of men in the past (queer or not) already have wore these "groundbreaking" type of clothes, but the fact that he is highly praised for it or like some people say that he is "overhyped" isn't his fault, that's just some fans taking it on an extreme level or saying it as exaggerating compliments
It seems that there is a portion of the LGBTQ+ community that gatekeeps certain things and claims them to be “gay”; it is quite frustrating to the people who want everything to be shared. I however can understand them deciding that trends can be for “gays” to more easily identify someone they can relate to.
Exactly, we have to take into account that while he wasn't the creator of certain style, people forget he's a singer with tons of fans that of course will hype him up to get any exposure
Imagine if we were still making a big deal of women wearing pants, harassing people because its not to "gender norms".
Regardless of gender or sexuality, people should be allowed to wear what they want. If cis straight men wearing stereotypically feminine clothing is queer baiting then wouldn't the same work for cis straight women wearing stereotypically masculine clothing? Defining what one group can and cannot wear will automatically define what everyone else can wear.
Just entertaining the idea of attaching gender and sexuality to clothing verges on toxic masculinity and the idea that if cis straight men wear anything out of the norm they are not real men. Wearing a skirt will not make a cis straight man gay or a woman, it's just clothing. Clothing is a form of self-expression, it does not define one's gender or sexuality.
This argument makes me think of what Shawn Mendes has said about people speculating about his sexuality. Just because he has qualities that some think are feminine he has to deal with rumours about his sexuality.
VERY WELL PUT! Thank you so much!
If he is 100% straight and still uses non labels then that is problematic. I’m a bisexual guy who is still in the closet. I came out to two of my friends only in the past and one of them stopped talking to me. If I ever come out to my family, I’m sure I’m going to loose most of them. All this I bet a straight person won’t have to go through. They don’t have to go through discrimination not just from public but from from their families too. So if he says he doesn’t use labels then I would think he is not straight
@@joshuaramirez3440 That makes no sense. Are you saying people who are only attracted to the opposite sex cannot say they view themselves as gender neutral? Gender and sexuality are two different things.
@@-Anjel no one is talking about gender. I’m just saying if a person’s sexuality is Straight then it is very problematic of that person going for non labels. People don’t face discrimination in terms of sexuality when they are straight. They don’t have fear of loosing friends and families, people talking stuff about you. That’s all I’m saying not bringing no gender
@@joshuaramirez3440 gender is included in non label.
WOMEN wear MENS clothing all the time..... so why is this such a big deal???!??!?!
i asked myself a similar question!
There’s an old Archie comic about that 😆
because women being more like men is okay bc manliness is accepted and rewarded. a man dressed in "womens" clothing is deemed as undesirable or shocking bc feminine traits and women as a whole are viewed as lesser. (just my thoughts from a gender in society perspective)
@@kaemincha yep. but on the other hand when harry styles wears feminine clothes, people praise him for breaking gender norms but where’s the praise for women breaking gender norms all this time?
@@jbtfp women wearing mens clothes doesn't get to much praise bc it has been NORMALIZED.
I assume Harry wears what he likes and doesn't care what body the designer had in mind at the moment. As long as he is happy in his clothes that is what matters.
His sexuality is his own business. I don't understand why people get so invested in who someone else sleeps with. Celebrities are human too and are entitled to privacy if they want it. Also, his clothing doesn't determine his sexuality.
Quick added note: the kid cud I look is inspired by the Dennis Rodman wedding dress look from the 90s babe.
yeah I was surprised that luke didn't catch that. I mean I'm not American or into sports and I immediately thought of Rodmans wedding dress because he caused big enough waves with his appearance and behaviour that he reached headlines and into conversations beyond America or sports. He usually catches stuff like this so I was surprised that he didn't. I wonder if he knows much about Dennis Rodman, he'd be an interesting figure to tackle in a video by himself.
@@RealElongatedMuskrat he’s too young to know who it is. I love billy porter but it annoys me that he gets more credit than Dennis Rodman for what he did for masculinity in the 90s
Maybe it's because Dennis is a giant compared to Cudi, but Cudi's reads more like a first holy communion dress. Plus Dennis just put it on and owned it. Cudi's effort looks forced(much like the pictures of 8 year old me in my communion dress)
what? all this time we've been fighting to break up gender stereotypes when it comes to menswear/womenswear and now that we have someone who's comfortable to divert from the stereotypical menswear, it's queerbaiting?
honestly, thank you for bringing up the issue that's been frustrating me when it comes to people gendering clothing like this and acting as if straight femboys aren't a thing or insinuating that men aren't allowed to wear 'feminine' clothing styles without needing to be gay, because that harms everyone in the long run. Merely wearing gender non-conforming clothing does not make you a queerbaiter
Definitely. This is a bit of a random example but I was thinking this very same thing a few days ago when I saw someone say something along the lines of "he thinks he's such a big man and dresses like a queer" regarding Hasan Piker. He paints his nails and wears little pearl necklaces a lot, but other than that he dresses in a very stereotypically 'masculine' way - some people are so narrow minded in their ideas of clothing, gender and sexuality that an otherwise 'appropriately dressed' (in their eyes) straight cis man wearing nail polish and necklaces makes him 'look gay' and that that is inherently shameful. Those kind of people and their narrow view of the world are the ones who benefit from this bizarre policing of clothing. By accusing people of queer baiting for dressing how they want, you put them in a box based on a perception of them in the same way that people who say things like "eugh you wear nail polish, that's gay!".
I’ve said it a long time ago but I really wish you’d talk about the fashion in the anime Jojo’s bizarre adventure. The creator was obsessed with American style and fashion creators (a lot of characters’ names are derivative of designers: John Galli A, Annasui, Pucci). The fashion is so good too!! Crazy over the top but intriguing, colourful, and super creative.
About harry, I personally don't see it as queerbaiting just because the boys were hinting and encouraging them wearing dresses and nail polish early in their career; it seems like they just began freely expressing themself
It’s absolutely ridiculous when someone says that a women wearing men’s clothes or a man wearing women clothes is “queer baiting”. like no it’s just people wearing whatever they want, if you think that it’s problematic than you are the problem
There is literally no look Luke doesnt think would look better with a boot, I love it.
I was just thinking the same thing as he was talking about Adele. If there's one thing we know about this man, he lives for a boot 😂🙏
If she were standing and we didn't see any part but the toe, we could assume it was a boot. 😂 That said, every time Tan France styles a person in a Chelsea boot, I feel a sigh of relief.
Harry Styles looking like the grinch who stole your husband.
I read the comments before and expected you to be unfair but I thought you were actually quite rational and gave a reasoned explanation for your thoughts. Tbh you were acc quite nice about him. I'm also so validated by you liking the JPG look because it was my fave but the masses seemed to hate it .
my fave too but I felt like I was alone. i really liked the vintage look
If someone thinks Harry Styles wearing a dress is queerbaiting, they must think women in pants are queerbaiting as well.
Can we talk about how Zendaya has been referencing different Spiderman villains for the movie’s press tour?? They are so cool and I can’t wait for the premiere look❤️
You 👏 can’t 👏 queerbait 👏 real 👏 people 👏 it’s a film 👏 and literary 👏 term
Sexuality and the experience of identity are fluid! I wish people would stop policing other people’s experience of life. I friggin hate it.
Cultural terms migrate across media. The fact that you learned of the concept in some film appreciation class won't keep it trapped there in amber forever.
@@lisettegarcia to some degree I can agree that queerbaiting can happen in real life via conscious manipulation but also... its not a great term to use in regards to irl people.
Mainly for the reason that everyone is here to discuss. Harry Styles is a man who dresses in feminine clothing, but its not fair to say that he's queerbaiting because him exploring fashion and dressing how he wants should not immediately be seen as some sort of symbolic subtext or automatically queer.
Actions in fiction differ greatly from actions in real life because in fiction, we have things like symbolism, subtext, and introspective context on the character that we can use to infer what certain things may mean, and when that character is displaying glaring LGBT subtext but still isn't confirmed to be in that group, then that is queerbaiting. Not to mention, development in fictional characters are often very deliberate, they are meant to mean something.
But we don't have that introspection and we shouldnt have those expectations with real people, we just see Harry dressing up unconventionally, its not fair to him as an individual to make those same assumptions when we don't know him as intimately as we would know a character from a piece of fiction because he doesn't want us to know, which is perfectly within his right.
@@cassualtea2040 my comment wasn't about Harry Styles at all, nor was the OP
@@lisettegarcia I was using him as an example?
If a person is 100% straight and still uses non labels then that is problematic. I’m a bisexual guy who is still in the closet. I came out to two of my friends only in the past and one of them stopped talking to me. If I ever come out to my family, I’m sure I’m going to loose most of them. All this I bet a straight person won’t have to go through. They don’t have to go through discrimination not just from public but from from their families too. So if he says he doesn’t use labels then I would think he is not straight.
I think Selena needs to change stylist… she looks great at her current weight but the stylist clearly doesn’t know how to dress a midsize body type and is just putting her in dresses that are unflattering and takes away from her beauty.
Her stylist does her sooo wrong... i liked that red lv dress and the black minidress with the feather sleeves tho so maybe they are stepping it up or she changed her stylist
i feel like its worth adding that while harry does receive praise for his fashion adventures (and i do think he should, too), it doesn't come without criticism and hatred - and im not talking about accusations of queerbaiting. when his vogue cover came out, the conservatives jumped on his neck. ben shapiro had a melt down. the people who are against "cross" dressing (almost exclusively used regarding men wearing trad femme clothing) hate him for it. meanwhile the ones who enjoy what he is doing, enjoy it. and the latter part of the public are majoritively the same people who also love people like lil nas x and billy porter's imagery. i doubt anyone who praises harry for looking like the grinch is going to hate on montero for being a pink cowboy. however, the industry does definitely prefer harry; mostly as many other commenters have mentioned because of the ambiguity associated with him and his whiteness.
i still think harry deserves praise for the fluidity in his image - while he gets it easier than others, it would absolutely be easier for him to go with a plain black suit like most male celebrities. that doesn't mean that he should be categorised as the inventor or as someone who is necessarily ground breaking; there have been countless of artists doing the same before him, as there are those doing it with him right now. two things can be true at once.
finally, i find the accusation of queerbaiting to both make no sense and be gross. QB relates to alluding that two same sex fictional characters are in love with each other, really knead that in, and draw in queer viewers by insinuating that they will get the representation they are starved for. however, they won't end up coming through with it, and in the end, makes both characters canonically straight. the most known examples of this includes sherlock holmes and john watson in the show "sherlock" and dean winchester and castiel in "supernatural."
a person cannot queerbait. and the fact that people feel this way about him, leads me to believe they feel as if they have some sort of ownership of his sexuality and gender. harry is such a public figure, whose sexuality and relationships have been questioned ever since he first took stage. i can imagine that at least this one thing, should it be true, he would want to keep to himself.
Harry arrived to the Dazed shoot in jeans and a t-shirt. I think he just dressing his persona as an artist. There is nothing special about it, it's not like we see him wearing dresses on his coffee run.
That’s normal though . You don’t see any other celebrities wearing their concert clothes or red carpet looks in their
everyday life. I don’t think he wants to be noticed and harassed every times he goes outside.
It's an editorial magazine of course it's gonna look weird.
@@clarissachang2358 I never said it was weird. I love the pictures and the looks are great. I just think the praise he gets is overhyped and stems from him being an attractive straight appearing public figure that also used to be in one of the most popular boybands. He doing nothing in the ordinary.
@@somtooffor6431 I agree but I don't think Harry should be dragged because of the praise he gets from his fans. It's not his fault they over hype him.
@@clarissachang2358 Of course. He should be free to express himself however he wants. I just think people need to realise that not everyone has the same privilege to express their gender, especially people of marginalised communities. There are people that can't wear a dress outdoors or paint their nails for their own safety. They will never appear on a magazine cover and don't get the same praise or credit. Cis white men have never been at the forefront of gender expression, yet it seems that we celebrate certain forms of gender expression on certain bodies. It's about knowing history, culture and acknowledging the struggle it was and still is for people to be themselves.
I need a house of gucci review. I wasn’t impressed personally, but I will admit when seeing TF for gucci and he’s collection I was smiling. Now let’s see what you think Luke
we’re currently working on one :)
@@hautelemode dont make us wait too long. ❤️
Horrible film tbh. RME if it's nominated for any academy award.
I thought the film was too camp. I thought Jarod and Al were awful. Gaga was great. I give the film a 2 out of 5.
@@milescumminski8077 I thought the first half of it was pretty good, but the second half was dragging on. Jared’s performance for me was pure offensive CAMP. But we can agree it’s Gaga’s movie ,she was terrific.
Taylor & the dress she wore at the Seth Meyer show. Was one of the best look I’ve seen in November. But she also look powerful with that suit. She ate all of the look during the red promo.
my only issue I mainly have is the amount of praise he got for doing this, when others had and still do get hate for doing this and you can deny it all you want but it's true his white and a lot see him as a straight man so it's seen as differently to others, and that part is the issue. I don't see it as queerbaiting but I can see why people feel that way.
completely agree with you
Yeah I agree lol. So many other men of color, who many of them are queer as well, have been doing stuff like this for years. But bc Harry is doing it, all of a sudden he’s a “fashion icon” and a “hero”. Which don’t get me wrong, as a someone who is against gendered clothes and is queer, I very much appreciate how far we’ve come. But so many other poc, queer men deserve this spotlight too
yeah, i agree. like Luke said, there could definitely be conversations had about the subject but i wouldn't say it has much to do with queerbaiting.
@@nateb746 hard agree. why are once again applauding a straight white man for doing “the bare minimum” (bare minimum in quotation because still not many men are willing to dress femininely like him but it’s still something so many other people in marginalised communities have done before him) and yeah it’s not his fault he gets all the attention but it’s just upsetting to see society prioritise and praise straight white men again and again.
completely agree and this is why I get pressed when people get pissed at him for wearing whatever he wants just because he gets attention for it instead of hyping up others that dress the way he does that get hate
Omg I’ve waited for years for you to give taylor a good critique. Thank you 🙏
Can we talk about how insanely hideous the Blumarine look was…? I’m actually baffled that a) anyone wants to bring that aesthetic back and b) they cut it that badly when trying to do so. Literally made me want to vomit.
I thought that was far more controversial than what Harry styles has or hasn’t worn lol. 😂
" Rich girl aesthetic " 💀
THANK YOU I AGREE AND EVERYONE I KNOW LOVES THIS AESTHETIC 😩 I feel seen. Thank you for saying this controversial yet brave statement, the y2k fashion fans are passionate and I am a coward in the face of them.
Time stamp pls
First of all, love the new setting. Books never go out of style. Second, November was a great month...ESPECIALLY FOR ADELE AND ELLE FANNING.
It's just clothes, it doesn't have a gender! Whatever your sexuality, you can wear whatever you want. This argument about queerbaiting is so stupid to me. Then we wonder why men do not take any risk in their fashion choices... Men should be allowed to express themselves freely with their clothes, just like women.
i’d love to see you do a fashion deep dive on certain celebrities like taylor swift for example
I love you. Mi inner critic enjoys so much your connoisseur reviews and comments, even though I have almost nothing to do with fashion. I love how you make it about the expression, the art, the culture. Bravo
Am so confused what is queer baiting I thought clothes doesn’t have gender and I thought we are encouraging men to be more adventurous with clothes. Also no one has to disclose their sexuality, not everything is lgbt related.
Bro I thought clothing didn’t have a gender……. And what, now it suddenly does……???
Luke, my guy, all love here, but it's time for someone to tell you that "simplistic" isn't synonym of "simple"
And appreciable is not appreciate-able. Appreciable means detectable in a way that makes a difference. Ie. there is no appreciable difference in the (whatever) from then to now.
Ahhh I'd love to see a 2021 full year "best and worst looks" that recap all of these month videos! It would be fun to see the progression through the year and who was consistently nailing it and who... didn't... 👀
It would be so fun to see you react to figure skating dresses and outfits!
This is so random, but I WANT this too!!
Why is people so pressed in deciding wht harry wears or wht his sexuality is????? Common stop it... He isnt queer baiting.. He is just being himself without hurting anyone.... If people feel offended by tht it's their prob.. Leave harry styles out of it..!!!
I don't get why people are mad at you for sharing your thoughts, the title is pretty straightforward and fully addressed. Make it make sense. Clothes should be for everybody, they are non-binary.
Why does Meghan Markle’s stylist hate her?😩 Her clothes almost always never fit right
LOVE the new setting. I would usually give the crown to Zendaya hands down but...Taylor Swift snatches it...love luv LOVE!!!
"A short skirt happens from time to time" is now my style motto.
the men in glam rock + prince - mhmmm men in “women’s clothes” have always been around low key.
Jimi Hendrix before all of them.
@@Genevieve1023 little Richard before jimi
@@theelectricant98 Probably more that we don't know about because they were even before television.
@@Genevieve1023 good point!
@@Genevieve1023 Little Richard was literally on American Bandstand, one of the earliest tv shows.
it’s not queerbaiting for the sole reason that he’s lowkey made it clear he doesn’t wanna label so he can’t be pretending to be something he’s not if he’s never said he is the former in the first place
LUKE YOU HANDLED THE HARRY STYLES BIT SO WELL THANK U
A good Taylor commentary… loved it
as a brazilian and a fan of this channel watching him talk about anitta makes me smile :')
The "fishnet" on Anya's hat is called a birdcage veil.
EXCITED TO WATCH 💁♀️
I love that we can always ask together why is Rita Ora there. Makes me feel like your bestie
short answer: no
Found a new favourite in ETRO. One day I'll be able to afford a piece or two.
Anitta is entering a new fashion era, she has been wearing a lot of mugler, roberto cavalli, schiaparelli lately, finaly moving on from dolce&gabbana
he’s just wearing clothes that are more commonly viewed and modeled by woman. he’s not claiming to be lgbtq+ (at least through his clothing) people get too pressed about all the insignificant things but with real problems, no one cares. how bazar
Exactly
I loved the Anya look so much
I think when people feel confident about themselves, they can be attractive even when they are wearing the ugliest clothes. I also don’t get those accusing him of queer-baiting. Wearing dresses is not an indication of your gender. If women can wear pants without being judged about their sexuality, then why can’t men be free of judgement for doing the same thing?
I think you meant an “ochre” color as opposed to “okra” like the vegetable lol 😂
I feel like an individual person not labeling their sexuality and wearing clothes that present a fluidity of gender isn’t “queer baiting”. Stories and characters can queerbait, a real person living their life isn’t queerbaiting.
I'm less pressed by the Harry Styles story and more having a tiny aneurysm every time Luke says Okra for ochre(O-kər).
I absolutely love the suit on Taylor. Color is beautiful.
People who claim “someone is queerbaiting by wearing certain clothes” are literally becoming what they hate and it’s so sad to me 😩 it’s basically a fancy way of saying “why do you dress so girly, are you gay or something?” Like what !!!???
The black tank/purple trouser look on Harry reminds me of Freddie Mercury’s ripped shirt in Queen’s music video for ‘Crazy Little Thing Called Love’. Especially with the motorcycle and rock influences, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was an inspiration.
digging the new background...much better than the seemingly empty livingroon.
One bit of context here is that Harry Styles was shipped with the other male members of One Direction for years. A large portion of One Direction's fanbase was significantly emotionally invested in him being in relationship with other men, and a proportion of those got so into it, they believed that the relationships they were projecting were 'real'. Basically, Harry x Louis (or whichever other band member) was treated in the same way as, say, Sherlock x John from BBC Sherlock or Dean x Castiel from Supernatural.
Obviously, the key difference is _he's a real person_ . But I think that's one reason people misuse the term queerbaiting - they view Harry Styles as if he is a character in a tv show, and the 'showrunners' have been 'teasing' them about his sexuality for years. Being so invested in the sexuality of another real person that you view their sexuality as something made 'for you' is gross (real-person fanfiction makes me very uncomfortable for this reason).
Of course, there may be other reasons people accuse him of 'queerbating' - but the fact that the man being accused of 'pretending' to be gay is the one who was fervently imagined to be in a relationship with other men by millions of people as a teenager, through no action on his part, is...ironic. It must be such a weird whiplash for him.
love the new set up
that 'being able to dress a woman who isn't a model body type' is a noteable achievement is so damn sad, being able to dress people should be a prereq for all designers but some seem happy to jsut treat women as mannequins/coat hangers
I mean the thing is, people often say gender expression is different then sexuality and gender and all those things don’t have to align. Which i personally as a queer person absolutely agree with. It doesn’t make sense to have that stance and then police things ppl wear and accuse them of queerbaiting.
HOWEVER, I can say that the stakes and risk associated with a cis straight man (and even women, especially if they’re conventionally attractive and feminine) wearing clothes that break gender norms is very different the people who are visibly queer and trans doing so. It can endanger them. So I understand the frustration there but again. You have to remember historically that “cross dressing” literally been illegal. The issue of who can wear what is highly politicized so of course ppl will have strong reactions on both sides. And for that reason I understand why people try to gatekeep, even if it’s not right.
Harry isn't straight, so the conversation is moot.
@@ANNEMARIE.K236 Just because he refuses to label his sexuality, doesn’t mean he’s not straight. You can sit there and says he’s apart of the LGBT+ or not straight outright when he’s never said. Him “hinting” at shit isn’t the words coming out of his own mouth. So please, stop it.
@@wiijuu93 this person is going through every comment about this man on this video commenting to be inflammatory. It’s best not to engage with them. Lol
exactly! couldn't have said it better
it’s also the fact that he’s been praised for “breaking gender codes” when queer & poc persons have done in the past. just take a look at bowie, rick james, kurt cobain. he isn’t doing sth new.
I love love love this new background
Omg I went to watch this and It was gone, I knew I wasn't tripping
WOWWWW Zendaya in Vera Wang looks phenomenal!! It's a very intriguing silhouette honestly, with the teeny tiny flat bandeau and then a sort of peplum skirt. Most of the times I've seen a peplum skirt sillhouette it usually hits closer to the waist, I think this one being lower on the hips was really surprising but made it look much more experimental. Something about it reminds me of Dr. Suess / the Lorax and I love that!
So I commented this on the first iteration of this video that got pulled and retitled: the Mugler corset is just an underwire bra over a slip I think. The Anna Taylor Joy red carpet look was definitely a reference to the 60s and Edie Sedgewick. Bob Dylan wrote a song about Edie called Leopard Skin Pillbox hat...
How can we be both gender fluid and call wearing typically feminine clothes queerbating? Like isn’t the goal to break the stereotype of what is “feminine” and what is “masculine”?
he's really liking the word appreciable in this video. and to be honest I'm here for it
I love you’re support for the increasing acceptance of a larger size range being catered to. However I don’t feel that it’s very meaningful to see it on celebrities, when it’s not yet accessible to the general public. I am almost 6ft tall and a size 10- when I go into ANY haute couture store Anywhere- The Passiege de Gracia in Barcelona, Fifth Ave in Manhattan or the Champ de Lyseé in Paris- it doesn’t matter what store it it- they will never stock something in my size. I would be stunned if they had a euro size 40( us 8.) And it’s always been this way- unfortunately… I hope it will start to change, but realistically I don’t see it happening soon. I’ve seen plenty of writers lament the general available size range that high end stores keep in stock, but I have yet to see anything impact the reality of what one can actually purchase in-store.
Honestly the only criticism I have for Harry’s photoshoot is that most of the outfits were HIDEOUS. That Grinch-looking outfit was the worst of them all. You can break fashion barriers and be fashionable and I just don’t think that photoshoot was good. At all.
Kid Cudi looks like he’s about to make his First Holy Communion
I can see why his fans are tired of this discussion, i don't see y'all do that everytime a woman wear pants. God leave that man alone. And stop using that tumblr term.
people who are constantly obsessed about whether a person is queerbaiting through their clothes are so so regressive. i thought we were trying to break stigmas and challenge stereotypes??
as a queer person, i get so annoyed when people say what harry styles does is queer baiting. it's not, and getting up in arms about that is just taking away from the real issue -- it's performative and i cannot deal with people who believe that.
also, as an enby person, its so obvious they think that wearing clothing that doesnt 'belong' to your gender is a statement about your gender. when in actuality its about gender expression.
like, i'm non-binary. but i dress femininely (ish) and wear long hair and makeup. that doesnt make me a woman.
Harry Styles can't queerbait because he's a real person and not a fictional character... this argument is so stupid to me and honestly kind of offensive. Whatever his sexuality, he should be allowed to present how he wants and wear what he likes.
Harry Styles is not a real person tho, you and me are real people, Harry is a celebrity, his existence is marketed for an audince that help him make money, the ideia of Harry Styles is a product sold to people. The choices he makes have far more power that the choices made by actual real people
Love love love the background !
Imagine if he made a react video on selling sunset outfits lol or just christine’s looks
Harry is straight. All this nonsense regarding not wanting to be labelled is just so that he can keep the intrigue going. So in that context, yes, he is queerbating.
I really don’t think people are ready to talk about this. Yes, clothes have no gender or at least shouldn’t have, BUT Harry getting praise for wearing a dress is just stupid. He may not be straight but has he ever assumed a relationship with someone that is not a blonde vs model type? Plus, his speeches are vague “treat people with kindness” is cute but now let’s talk LIKE ADULTS. Use your voice for things that MATTERS! A dress without action is just meaningless to me and deserves no praise at all. Wear whatever you want but at least do something to stop all this praise you get for no reason.
People always talk about breaking down gender constructs … well Harry styles wearing a dress is what that looks like
I want that mugler sweater 😭
I think the “hate” mostly comes from the fact that his fans and the media act like harry is this innovative, groundbreaking and gender nonconforming fashion icon when all he does is put on stuff his stylists tell him to (cause let’s be honest in his every day life he is more than boring) and clothes that are just objectively ugly.
He isn’t just wearing what he’s told he actively seeks out the people he wants to work with and chooses his clothes, he’s a busy man and employs people to research upcoming designers and bring him info. It’s also not an easy choice for an ex boy bander to completely change the way he presents. He receives hate from the far right for emasculating men, from the gay community for stealing their thunder and gaybaiting, from POC for white privilege, from people like you who don’t understand that the point of fashion isn’t always to be aesthetically pleasing. Meanwhile he doesn’t complain, doesn’t explain, he just continues to have fun with clothes. And yes he is going to get attention and praise from his fans because he’s been working hard since the age of 16 in the entertainment industry to become this successful and well known and well liked
actually no we don't i think people need to stop saying his fans think this or that when in fact we don't none of us said that is was innovatie groundbreaking etc when in fact we know it isnt new none of said it was the only time it is ever brought up is none fans but ofc he isnt going to wear a dress to work out like lol. if you think there ugly thats your opinion but regardless he can wear what he wants ugly nor not just like everyone else. idk why you acting like every celeb doesnt do this as in wearing dressly clothings etc on stage red carpets etc then when jogging wears differet things
he wears what he wants as everyone else should
People say that they don’t want men to be pressured by toxic masculinity and when a man does that and just start wearing clothes that he wants and are not gender based they say it’s queer bating and get mad... please pick a struggle
Do people actually care about what Harry wears? Am I the only one who doesn't give a sinfle f about what he wears?
not alone
You seem to care enough to take time of your day to comment.
@@ANNEMARIE.K236 I don't care about what he wears. I just wonder why people give a fuck about it
I read that Selena Gomez and Margot Robbie share the same stylist. It all make sense now.
*Harry raised the bi flag with proud:(*