How To Listen To Trunked Police Radio And Why Im Done
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2016
- Well, here's a complete how-to if you want to do this yourself in your area - just please be sure you are legal, there are a lot of restrictions in many areas. And I show you why I'm done with it FAR earlier than I wanted to be obviously.
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My understanding is that it is illegal per FCC rules to encrypt all frequencies used by local agencies. They can, however, encrypt tactical channels. I worked dispatch in the past when we used straight analogue. The public could hear our bolo's, emergencies, everything. We would get all kinds of assistance from folk out in scannerland who'd call in telling us where a wanted person or vehicle was in real time. Now, nothing. LE has driven an unnecessary wedge between themselves and the citizens.
As well, I think the citizens have a right to know if there is criminal activity, manhunt, chase, etc going on in their area in real time.
There are a few of us that listen to help ident.
I have no problem with public services going digital, it is when they encrypt channels that are not tactical. To me, these transmissions fall within the scope of the public's right to know. Gotta watch the watchers.
DespicableBastard 911 dispatcher here. There's a lot of officer safety data that I cannot transmit without verbally encoding (think 10 codes and signal codes) for the subjects privacy. Past DUIs, history of battery LEO, etc. There are also things that I out and out cannot transmit for the same reason. With an encoded system, I can. If you want to know, you can submit requests to your local law enforcement for the recordings of all the traffic. I have no issue with public oversight of law enforcement, but also understand that we are just trying to improve the safety of our officers without compromising the privacy of anybody we are out with.
So they allow you to listen - but in order to do so, they make it very troublesome and you end up with your name on a list stating that you are listening.. Sounds legit to me !
I still have my grandparents old radio, the size of a fridge, and it has fire/ems/police channels listed right on the main spinner dial. . Was a different time back then. . But then again it was a time when police didn't have long guns, vests, and tanks.. They also didn't practice gun confiscation in suburbs on american soil. I support the police, but I'm a firm believer that darkness/secrets breed corruption and sunlight is the best disinfectant and keeps people honest. We've had alot of problems with our local police in our small city, and if it is happening here I can only imagine in big cities..
It would be incredibly easy to have a multi-channel system that would allow you to choose to x-mit sections of the dispatch as encrypted in order to redact names and such.. But ya, that won't happen. Heck it could be done with software with little fuss.
Past DUI's, HIstory of batteryLEO and so forth are all public record. There is no reason to encrypt them.
That's both understandable and fair.
+Johsua Schwanke That's a very confusing theory, considering as someone else said, criminal history is essentially completely public record.
Simply put I don't see any reason at all to encrypt non-tactical channels. I've been involved in public safety for years, talked to many involved in cities big and small. There simply isn't a reason to encrypt simple dispatch traffic, other than to shut the public and the media out of policy activity.
I hope in areas there is encryption, people do force departments to spend time providing the audio through records requests. That could tie a department down really quick but they deserve it for shuttering the public out unnecessarily. Police departments already get a ton of open records protections, and often it's for good reason. But when it comes to encrypting radio traffic they are crossing a line.
We need to have this done to our phones, emails and anything else they can snoop on. Then push to make it illegal for a public servant to listen to.
Actually, you don't need two separate dongles to use unitrunker just as long as the Control channel and Voice channel fall within the max bandwidth capability of the dongle.
I worked for a large dept that decided to trunk and encrypt. Having a commo background, I asked to sit on the steering committee. I tried, BEGGED them to not encrypt except for tactical team ops until I was removed from the board. Then there are reports of kickbacks and other politics that was driving this so it went way beyond officer safety. To the posters who said it was the public scanner-poaching, not true and in fact the public were a great help. Instead it truly was big govt wanting to be less accountable to the public. As a side note, I had a dial-tune regency as my first public service receiver! From there, BC III, then 101 getting my new copy of Police Call from Radio Shack every year. I would record on an old VCR using just the audio input because they would do 16 hours. To the poster who said file FOIA for the key: it rolls from a random generator and would take the NSA to break and that would only work until it rolled again. When the ppl fear the government...
It's actually illegal for them to encrypt their frequencies. It falls under the same problem as if they ran their body cams with duct tape over the lens and mic. They tried to make police scanners illegal, and the supreme court ruled that all over air communication made by public entities have to be easily rx'd by the general public without encryption. There were a few exemptions, i.e... The military during classified communications. You may have just won the lottery if you sue them.
Ben Hawke do you have a link to the Supreme Court case for that ruling saying it must be easily received? I’d be really curious to see that ruling. Here in FL, encryption runs rampant and I’d love to throw that in the jack boot Sheriff’s and Police Chiefs pushing for encrypted communications.
Absolute B u l l s h i t!!
@@SpencerRichKM4KFG
Sorry.. I don't know why I'm just seeing this reply. A year ago I could've shown you that supreme court ruling because I was researching something at the time when I came across your video. But now I don't remember. You'd probably find it just as fast as me now. But I'll try to look it up again. I'd say Google it, but Google sucks now so try duck duck go.
agencies joined HOMEAND SECURITY -- pds arnt local entities ever since just after 911
government anency claiming there milatary and claiming milatary exemptions decides
Really sucks that you have to give up on this project. You had a very similar setup to mine. My area has a digital trunking system which luckily isn't encrypted. It's fun to just sit here and listen for hours. Looking forward to any future content you put on here about HAM Radio if you decide to post it here.
That really sucks man. I've been following CO for a while and I got in on your RFO as soon as you launched the project. I was looking forward to the great things you'd be sharing with us, such a shame. Good luck with your other projects and I'll keep an eye on here to see what else you come up with.
Well finally the answer to why my hand held police frequencies are silent. Thank you
I used to love listening to the old analogue mobile phones on scanners back in the early 90s before they went to digital. I used to hear all sorts of saucy stuff like Guys arranging to see their mistresses after work all the way to a married couple breaking up on air!
some Baby monitors and Cordless phones are still NOT Digital and Not Encrypted.
I had a scanner when I was 12 or so and used to listen to cell phones. My misspent youth lol
in my city I used to be able to listen to a trunk tracked frequency using a bearcat mobile or Bearcat handheld scanner and recently the city has converted to a Motorola digital utilizing a CDMA cell phone frequency that is unable to be tracked by a scanner however lately it does seem with a brand new Bearcat scanner I am able to pick up the trunk and track frequencies using the traditional 800 and 900 frequencies. so I'm a bit confused if they are utilizing the CDMA frequency how am I hearing them on my trunked radio scanner. also I was confused as to what trunked tracking actually means as far as I was concerned I was under the impression it involves a certain frequency switching from time to time I'm also under the impression that when I do hear certain situations engaging in say a police chase over the radio it does appear that they switch to another frequency possibly a tactical Channel that is untraceable or un trackable with a traditional scanner I wonder if this is true?
I didn’t quite understand what you were talking about when you said you needed 2 receivers. Say I wanted to just monitor 1 p25 frequency, and no others, could I get away with one?
I feel your pain. I live in St. Lucie county on the east coast of Florida and my local system recently switched to the P25 system and I'm pissed. I understand wanting better officer safety but I feel this has gone too far. They say that want transparency but them they go do stuff like this. If you say anything negative about the switch in RR they will ban you.
I have yet to find an SDR program that can work to listen to nonencrypted digital trunked system that a simple radio shack scanner will. Do the digital radio shack pro108 scanners have dual tuners to make this work?
No. You need 2 SDRs connected to a computer with appropriate software.
Well Bryan it was great while it lasted, as the saying goes.."all good things come to and end" I loved it while you did it!! Very entertaining!! Thanks for your efforts!!
Same things happened in St Louis City, tho fire is not yet encrypted. I did find that not all PD radios are encrypted, there are quite a few I am able to hear. Not the dispatch side but the car or HT side. I set unitrunker to listen for individual radios rather than talk groups. Still not as good as being in the clear but I'm able to pick up bits and pieces, just something to check out on your end, never know..
How would you use it to "tune in" to a celluar TOWER LTE frequency to improve signal strength and then use a repeater to broadcast locally in your home?
Simply , you cant. Its against Federal Law to receive Analog or Digital Cellular services. though, I still have a Pre BAN scanner capable of tuning Analog Cellular its still Illegal to Monitor. and Digital Scanners cant Decode or Receive Digital Cellular, Murs, iDEN, TDMA, CDMA, PCS, D-AMPS, GSM, ect.....
What type of handheld scanner would you recommend?
how did you get the home computer audio into the labtop on the bike?
Hey I have a question. I have a situation where I need to intercept a signal. I’m not sure the medium of transmission so I need to see everything. Can you give me some advice on how to do this?
Can you link me to the specific dongle that you are using because I cant seem to find it
Have you tried eBay?
Do you still have those videos on your page?
i would like to find out what software i can get to listen to dmr or digital transmissions , that will work on my rtl sdr dongle ?
Possible but difficult. You need a virtual cable app and DSD plus
I would suggest using a 90 degree adapter for your laptop audio cable to reduce the chance of cable or jack damage. Repairing a headphone jack on your laptop can get pretty expensive when it's so easy to avoid.
Would you have any tips on trying to run this type of set up on an android tablet? Just recently added a CB to my car and i was looking to add an SDR hooked up to a tablet as well. Eventually making it work as a police scanner.
Are the radio messages open to freedom information act requests?
Jon Disnard, Yeah, but it’s a long process
Hi, I'm in Pinellas. It has been a long time since you made this. I am new to hobby. Do you know if I can listen to Pinellas Sheriff with SdS100?
I can't get Unitrunker to work. Everything else (DSDPlus, SRDSharp, many others) work just fine. I've been using my RTL2832U / R820T2
for a month now and have listened to many police / fire channels. I see a lot of encrypted? digital? signals there as well, but I can't get Unitrunker to work. It just says "Could not open!" and I've tried everything I can think of, installed multiple versions, settings, etc.. nothing works.
Unitrunker is garbage. It's a half assed program that works 1% of the time .
Bummer dude! I'll sub anyway...just incase you put out anything... since this type-o-content really tickles my fancy. I've always had a itch regarding subject matter on RF. Though- and you helped big time here in this ol video- you mentioned that this is how the city works members from police, ambulance, garbage, mail, and a huge plethora more - well, how they communicate. See, I am harassed/ gang stalked by the above mentioned- I already battle anxiety and depression so it's mega draining. But hey, at least it's given me something to get my mind off the hideouts acts portrayed by them- The wonderful world of SDR has been a treat so far- and it's content like yours that really helps. Take care.
Police and other public servant communication systems over here in the Netherlands have been made digital and encrypted many years ago. Since I'm fairly young, I've never been able to tune in to their radio communications, since I was just a toddler when that switchover happened. Really a shame, I'd love to have tuned in and just listen to their communications during events, not to record or to transmit and disrupt their communications. But alas, us citizens apparently aren't allowed to anymore. And it also shows that the digital systems aren't as bomb proof as the analog ones, since during several serious incidents the current digital system just crapped out on the public servants. So it not only keeps citizens out, it also keeps the public servants out on crucial moments. Just gotta love governments.
here in Algeria, i recently got into SDR scanning, the police still use analog, but i heard police talk to each others and refer to a certain device to continue the talk about a case over tetrapol device, they also use cellular when they want to have privacy
Question im listening to police n my laptop but can't receive them on my police whistler scanner but I can hear other cities far away they haven't gone encrypted because I'm hearing them on my laptop any ideas
hello i have one qwestion: Why is a signal always at the center of the spectrum?? and if you move arround the spectrum, it always keep at the center??
with SDR sharp its NOT. you can freely move around the center frequency or just click on a transmission, you want to examine.
What would happen if somebody tried to illegally transmit on some of these frequencies with a modified transmitter. Would the radio system be able to circumvent or would it not even matter?
Hey I like Cigars and tech stuff too! Such a pleasant surprise to find this channel
You know your stuff brother. Our city IT department could use your knowledge. Seriously.
Have you tried SDR Trunk? In my county some things are encrypted while others aren't. It makes it really easy to deal with and has super easy import from radioreference
Got to love that American transparency from or public servants.
You could interpret it as protection of privacy.
+Mawerick77 If you're about privacy, google, facebook, twitter, etc. would not be used.
SCOTUS says police doing there job have no right to privacy.You can film and record police anytime anywhere
Conduct yourselves properly and you wont be targeted.Only the militarized police in this country have this issue.Nothing to do with radio its training and pychological screening which is the issue. The average iraq vet has no business being a LEO
Just wow indeed. The fact you want to be a cop is telling in itself. Police are supposed to help the public but you want to be a cop to wear a uniform badge and gun to intiminate people. I dont NEED your help I dont WANT your help. Half the cops in town can be replaced by putting up automatic traffic cams like they have in England. Cameras went up cops lost there job crime went way down. If you want to put on a uniform and kill black men then move to Africa...plenty of jobs doing that there
Hey! You’re my cigar guy!! I was very confused for a second...
Been watching TWO for over a year now. Recently became interested in Ham radio and guess who comes up on my RUclips searches. Small world I guess. Fire Depts respond to more EMS calls than anything else and as a result we transmit a lot of medical info back and forth with the hospitals. We had to have all our transmission encrypted to comply with HIPA regulations.
I have a question. Is it possible to broadcast with encryption PRIVATELY since the police are allowed to do it?
Yes and no. There are ways to do it, but you are required to either A) have 'X' HAM radio licensing, or B) transmit under a business or agency that uses encryption. Its doable, but the equipment required to run encrypted is usually so expensive (to individual users) that its not done. Plus, its a lot of hassle for most people to deal with. Its like trunking systems...99% of non commercial/business/agency users dont need nothing more than conventional systems, much less trunked networks, or even encryption on top of that. But is it doable, yep, 100%...its also a pain in the butt to do 'legally' and not economical.
what kinda linux were you using my guy most linux distros have terminal tools for multiplexing audio and i believe audacity can as well
So how is it that I see law enforcement agencies on broadcastify, but their system is trunked how are they getting the frequencies and communications and broadcasting it to us? How can I go about doing that not so much for broadcasting but listening
Wait a while. Someone will figure it out. I miss listening to my local police dept.
...allowed you to sleep at night, eh.
Happened here in Finland as well, although couple of years ago. Police and rescue services went to a digital & encrypted radio system. Oh well, not much you can do about it.
Here in America we supposedly have a Constitution...we have a right to monitor public safety systems...we pay for it through illegal taxes on the public..
I get so upset with encryption. Public safety departments are too damn secretive and this drives a stake between them and the citizens they work for. It creates distrust and and frustration. You'd think during times like these they'd want more transparency. The Federal government and radio salesmen push it and departments eat it up.
Criminals and gangs wish it was more transparent too.
They're acting like masters who have a lot to hide rather than the servants they're suppose to be.
@@johnirby493 reply is the fruit of an ill-informed public that uses emotions rather than thought. The gangs run the drugs, do the hits, gang-stalking run the children/sex slaves etc for the elite, Intel, and powerful politicians who make a lot of money from/off them. I remember asking myself 20 years ago or more before I educated myself, this question... how come these known gangs that hang out with machine guns, in the cities are never raided or arrested? Some low ranking ones are, noncom,s are to fund/fill the criminal industry complex/Law and ONLY enough as crime = more money, more power, more public fear, thus less civil liberties for all.
Where are the gangs that hang out with machine guns, who work for politicians, located in the U.S.?@@RLH-xr8nd
@@johnirby493 police are the gangs and criminals
I hope you continue the channel with your HAM radio adventures.
They've all been moving to that over the last few years. One budget at a time. They were sold those systems when the department of homeland security gave funding for the switch. That use to be part of my job until I resigned.
How much have you tried decoding? Often only certain talkgroups are encrypted, so you might still be able to listen to some talkgroups on the system.
As I said - decoding isn't the problem. Legally putting it on RUclips is.
It's no different from listening to, and posting analog systems
If it's a proprietary codec, for Harris or Motorola, and you posted a hack for their Type 2 encryption, they would most likely sue you. My local police Are on Motorola Type 2, seems like 99 or 98% of the time it's not encrypted. Their are 4 or 5 scanners that will receive this type.
I was talking about decoding only, not decryption. Obviously he would not want to attempt to decrypt traffic, since that would be illegal. But just decoding is totally fine and legal in the US.
RFObsession can I email you about this?
Transitioning from analog to digital is expensive and requires a lot of planning between the Sheriff's Office and any local police departments. I can assure you it was a coincidence. I'm surprised they encrypted every channel they use? There are likely hundreds of channels. Usually only a handful are encrypted due to cost.
I used to work for L3Harris. It's not a coincidence. L3Harris will do an entire system for the County/local authorities. It's literally plug and play.
If you don't want me to listen to your transmission then keep your signal off of my antenna. Once it hits my antenna it becomes my signal and I will do anything that I want with it. This includes demodulating it and analysing the demodulized signal.Encrypting sigmals is a very controversial subject. I don't mind building my own hardware and developing my own software to accomplish something once I decide to do it either.
Have to say I agree with you once it hits your antenna
Unless the signal is from the provider of a paid service, and requires a subscription for which they provede the exclusive decoding equipment and the codes, then they really have no control. Only then are you stealing revenue from them. But if its not a subscribed service, and you manage to decode it whereis there problem , as long as you don;t rebroadcast it, and or use it for personal gain there is really nothing they can do........But NOW lets get real,,, How in the hell are they going to know what your doing unless you tell someone. That type of thing, where your only receiving is at best almost impossible to police in the first place..... If I wanted to listen to them I would set my equpiment up and do what I wanted to and keep my mouth shut, But the communications act of 1934 clearly says if it falls on your property then you can listen to it. Now if they have in someway changed that, then they need to be paying me for there signals landing on my property......So you see guys the sword cuts both ways and the FCC knows it too. They really don't want any part of it. To many conflicting issues.
LMFAO this gave me a great laugh.
I really would love to know how to decrypt.
@Peter Holt the law is interpertated in many ways. I cant speak english
how are you sure it's encrypted? P25 phase 2 is different. It has smaller channel blocks, doubling system capacity. If you're trying to decode to channels as one it looks like garbage to the digital to analog converter
A majority of the commenters on here don't seem to realize that digital modes, trunking systems and encryption are different animals.
Hi great vid. How do I delete channel's that I've put in already. Thanks
Most public safety communications that use DVP/DES are very hard to de-encrypt. It really is illegal to de-encrypt them. Also it is illegal in some states to use a scanner in a vehicle.
That's on point for caution type thing. And I don't know how to decrypt it and I worked with it lol
I was actually surprised they were still on the analog system. Most of us have been on truncated digital for a few years now. I too would like to see you do your spin on some HAM oriented videos if you're interested.
As somebody said the Police switched years ago in UK and made my scanner just about useless.
Plenty to listen to still police was only part of my set up, shopwatch systems, fire uhf, lots of businesses yes some enc, but most commercial aren't, dmr, nexedge yes many dmr especially but scanners can deal, with non encrypted
The add in mating by the coast, military and civil airband, my scanners are stopping every few seconds
Why do you need 2 see do tune into 2 signals? I thought the computer was receiving raw data and can just choose any frequency or multiple frequency
One monitors control channel, other one bounces around the voice channels directed by unitrunker
is there a free version of voice meter
thats wierd
where i live it is not on 850 mhz, it is on 460 mhz and there is no trunked system, its regular nbfm analog.
maybe you can hear them on 460 mhz?
I just bought an SDR dongle to listen to police, ems and aircraft radio signals. Looks like I'm a couple years too late. At least it wasn't expensive.
There are all sorts of other things to listen to. I have mine connected to a rotatable, amplified broadband antenna. I hear all sorts of radio chatter.
@@jefferyrightmire9520 where can I learn more about that stuff? I'm just getting started with SDR.
I wonder if they are switching things. for something that is going to happen?
Just curious have you tried … DSD Decoding Digital Voice with RTL-SDR as a Radio Scanner
RUclips user Geoff Wolf shows a video where he uses RTL-SDR as a police scanner to listen to public safety P25 digital radio using DSD, SDRSharp and virtual audio cable.
Posted before you mentioned it illegal, so I’ll guess no.
How u decode ecypion? And Digital audio?
It's a public safety issue that puts us in danger not knowing what is going on when systems are encrypted. No department needs every channel encrypted, in fact, no department needs more than a couple encrypted channels. For those that have encrypted you can fight it but you need to go to council meetings and the media. Some have even gone to court and won. It's also a risk for outside agencies who can't communicate or monitor the channels. And as found they have issues with encryption even locally putting first responders in danger. Unless you fight it, nothing will change though.
Wow, that was fast. Too bad, I know you were starting to get into it. I watched most of them, interesting stuff. They must have had it ready to go prior to your getting started, You're absolutely right, there's no way that they could have done it in a week. Going to have to find another hobby now, ever thought about trying Cigars, I hear that's pretty cool. LOL.
That sucks they went off air, it's been like that here in UK since the 90's :-( the good old days!
How do I know if my local police department is using an unencrypted signal?
Rational Routines You will need to use software defined radio to really figure it out. If your analog scanner makes noises like a diesel truck on uhf frequencies, you can bet that you’re hearing digital encoding. Plug the digital audio into a computer program like DSD+, and it will decode the signal. If it’s encrypted it will read “muting encrypted voice” on the event log. Check out TechMinds channel on RUclips. He’s got some great stuff about this.
Thanks
@@sithticklefingers7255 I'll tell you something though, the diesel truck noises are in most cases CONTROL CHANNELS that can be programmed in trunked systems like Motorola Type II (city of Miami Florida is one example) and EDACS systems. They can be programmed into any scanner with trunked capabilities even older non P25 scanners and listened to. Radio Reference is the best website for programming your scanner. Diesel engine type noise does not mean encrypted.
In my area they are using the NEC Ipassolink system with rolling encryption that can be changed every day or even every minute the system uses a OTA programming which mean all radios can be selectively programmed or reprogrammed for individual purposes or group operations on any given moment, this can even compartmentalize secure communications within there own departments so as to keep "a need to know" fully secure,this came at a cost of around $600 million +, i have seen the encryption described in a video..blew my mind... we have no chance.. update... all services here are moving across to this secure network.. (NSW Australia)
There no way to use a digital to analog converter for the digital signal? Then use a descrambler to unlock the signal. Ramsey did make descramblers in kit or assembled,but I guess the government shut that down.
basic, without color codes for Digital radios they are good as encrypted. fortunately RadioReference com has a Nation wide Digital Trunking Database. Its Illegal to attempt to decode Digital Communications and use a Decription Key on a Digital Radio.
I guess the ONLY good thing is you didn't have an expensive scanner you had to dump. Uniden's current offering, the SDS200 base/mobile scanner is a $700 digital receiver and all it takes is the one agency you want to monitor to go encrypted and your $700 scanner is now rendered USELESS. I just sold my Uniden BCD996XT, which was their flagship model several years ago, as my local police switched to P25 Phase II. I sold my then $500 scanner for HALF what I paid for it (after fees even less than that). Scanning is a losing game today.
Broadcastify has my local but I’d love to hear what’s being said when the say “switch to nine bravo”
i heard this one time and they were like "i brought the stuff today if you're still interested" ... yes, i am interested, what is the stuff? i will never know...
@@masskiller9206 It was donuts. Now you know.
@@macmardo1537 right. "powdered" donuts, i'm guessing...
If its encrypted how come there are live streams of police for most citys ?
Most aren't encrypted.
I'm sure that by now you know this, but another reason for going digital, well two reasons, is that a digital radio can multiplex the channels. That means they can stack multiple radios on a single frequency, similar to how your home LAN can stack multiple devices on your network, or a better analogy is how USB can manage 256 devices on a single port. So, their capacity on a single carrier went up exponentially, which is why today you can have a radio in every garbage truck and water/power truck, etc. -- whatever your county supports, they can talk to you via radio. There are other features that can now make digital radios seem like magic to county managers, but I'll defer to your knowledge. It's your channel, but I wanted to mention frequency stacking.
Your SDR video popped up on my home page as I've been learning about this interesting tech. I hope that you're still UToobing. 😊
The second reason is noise -- it sounds much better. Remember when cell phones were analog? The signal-to-noise ratio was often 1 or more, which is why engineers measured it on the dB scale. When digital towers and phones came to town, it was like the difference between seeing in thick fog and a clear day.
troopers did that then law said that communications have to be public so they now stream all radio communications on a web site
MONITOR FIRE OPERATIONS THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING ELSE TO LISTEN TO ?
مرحبا يا صديقي أحتاج خبرتك كيف يمكن نجعل جهاز الراديو العادي يستقبل موجات أعلى من 108 ميغا هيرتز حتى يستقبل الموجات اللاسلكية و الطيران مع خالص تحياتي لك
I just got unitrunker and dsd+ running on a mini pc in a Pelican case. I have a year or two to listen. Encrypted new system is to be started in 2021 and fully operational by 2023 at a cost of $765,000,000. :(
so what if its illegal to listen to encrypted radio signals, how r they going to know anyway.
Yap! have too have the patients of a saint for sure, tryed to program a trunk tracker scanner with basic soft ware just doen't cut it for me. I now have a uniden Home Patrol 2, and that is a little better.:-)
Damn! We got the same problem here in Toronto Canada around a year ago. I wish it didn't happen to you so I can atleast watch your vids. Thanks for what you brought though!
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will a home patrol scanner pick up the digital signal?
B stan depends on what type of digital system your local government is using
If it's TDMA phase 1 or 2 yes but if it's encrypted then no
glad my state uses normal system that my Uniden HomePartol II can read. MN ARMER. was want to try SDR but seem a bit to complex to setup and get working.
YES, its confusing, hard to understand and NOT as good as A commercial Digital Scanner.
A Raspberry pi would have been so much tidier than a laptop on the motorcycle. You could still do this for other signals though if you wanted to. like CB.
Where did you learn these?
You can run a single SDR for trunked radio if you use SDRtrunk on windows. If you want to go through the trouble of using 2 SDRs might as well just use a raspberry pi or something
The county is governed of , by and for the people . You are a taxpayer. ( i assume ) .. But anyway. How can it be illegal for citizens to listen to local and county police transmissions ? Encrypted or not ? Digital or not ? . I think that as citizens we should have complete access to all their trannsmitted communications.
I beleave Washington DC and Virginia you cannot Legally use Scanners to Listen to Radio Transmissions and if you use an SDR in DC or VA there are stiff penalties and perhaps jail time involved. If you don't want Digital Encryption then petition your City or County to remove Encryption.
So, will RTL-SDR work for digital?
Im A N00B 666 - yes, you can receive but, useless if they encrypt. Still, it’s worth getting the NEW Digital scanners from ICOM, AOR, Whistler and Uniden, as they all can receive the latest digital and are Equipped with SDR in the Scanner. The AOR however can demodulate the Digital signals Automatically, and the ICOM has the widest range of 0.5 MHz - 3.0 GHz with Zero gaps in coverage (except cellular). Both of the Uniden and Whistler radios have missing gaps in coverage, and have been so for over three decades.
SDR dongle and Software does not Demodulate EVERYTHING that a Communications Receiver can. also some modern Digital Scanner and Communications Receiver have FPGA programming , that can Demodulate new Digital modes with a Firmware update.
My city just did this a few weeks ago. So long for citizens knowing what happens or possibly protecting themselves.
wrong. get a Digital Scanner or Update your current Digital Scanner. there are still Targets of Interest to keep you informed, like nearby Cities or Nearby county's that are NOT digital yet or use Digital but don't encrypt. also, Remote NEWS crews don't encrypt , I tune those most Often and NEWS Helicopters for Traffic info.
Mine here just went digital and is said to be encrypted as well.
@@markplott4820 They will though..
There are (were) Radio Shack digital scanners that still work for un-encrypted police calls. I'd rather use an SDR because they are a lot cheaper.
Active conversations can also change frequency,trunking is very much like mobile phone system.
Did u know that u actually need two dongles to run unitrunker?
One is set to the control frequency & other is for whatever comversation youre following.
Also with newest version of unitrunker doesnt need sdr#
and Digital Trunking scanners do that better and can Utilize Multiple Control Channels.
Why not just use a scanner....before encryption. Any other reason to have the sdr?
maybe he wants a cheap home setup......but, I see NO reason for having to Lug around a whole laptop, gopro cameras, SDR etc......mounted to his Motorbike......as a Digital Trunking scanner will give him more Timely Information In and Around his county. specially with updates from Radio Reference com.
So, my Bearcat Trunk Tracker will no longer work? Is that the drift?
Its Best to upgrade to a Digital Trunking scanner, its the best of both worlds. I recommend Whistler as they don't charge for Updates. they can use the FREE radioreference PC updater.
If they encrypt even your digital scanner wont work.
Our City/CO has digital and have 2 digital scanners.
I believe that would come under Murphy's Law... 'Nuff said!!!... Just just happened to come across your video didn't realize it was years old LOL good thing you didn't go out and get a $700 scanner and have that happen. I used scanners for years to make a living. Cops may be encrypted but you have fire department and EMS that tells just about everything you want to know if it's something big. Thanks for posting
I totally feel your pain. I have spent hundreds on radio equipment over the years and after getting the BCD396XT a couple of years ago the state I am in has part of their system in phase 1 and part phase 2. (I had no idea at the time as digital was new to me) I feel they will eventually go all the way with p2 tho and in itself is just as bad as it will cost us another $500.+ AND if you need update software another $100+ ea it is really becoming a rich mans game and what is worse we are paying the taxes so they can do it.
I.E. they put police & fire fighter pensions on the ballot and guess what they figured out most made to much to get it..really! do you think they would give us the money back??? NO. to top that off a couple of years went by and I guess they thought we had our stupid hats on and asked for another increase on that same pension.
Yes you can legally decrypt any over there air transmissions . The rub comes > You cannot legally share the decrypted information .
Nope. You can decode digitally encoded transmissions but not decrypt encrypted transmissions. There is a difference. Digitally encoded communication can be in-the-clear and legal to monitor but not encrypted communication. Besides, decrypting would require a key to be obtained illegally or computing resources that only a very few people in the entire world have access to.
Miachel Nance - there is NO Legal way for Obtaining a Decription Key for a Digital Public Safety Radio using Encryption in ANY City or County. and its a Federal Crime to Listen to Analog Celluar transmissions as well as ANY Digital Encrypted Transmmision and using a Decryption Key.
@@markplott4820 Give it time, eventually that encryption will be cracked, just like everything else. The thing about their encryption is, it all falls under a certain range of bits. The good thing about police radios too, is that when it is finally cracked, they will be using those systems for a long time. Most systems are used for 10+ years before they are upgraded.
@@TheUniversalEyes - Issue with Encryption is NOT with the Ability of Someone breaking Digital Encryption, but rather the CRIME Accociated with Breaking Encryption , weither YOU can Break Encryption or NOT is a MOOT POINT, its Still a FEDERAL CRIME to Break Digital Encryption.
@@markplott4820 cite the federal statutes that make it illegal to decrypt encrypted communication.
It's been a long while. Anything changed with this?
CPU Utilage! I like it. :) I came here because I'm a ham and my wife asked me if I could listen to the police. I had to tell her about the encryption thing :(.
Dude! You look like me! We could be twins. Also, the transition from analog to digital+encryption would be months (if not years) in the process. Municipalities have to plan for the monies ;-). Check your city council meeting notes and proposals, for leads. Here in Florida we have the "Sunshine Law" which means they can't back door these things least they be "personally liable". This really does stop a lot of hanky panky. I'd like to see a national sunshine law.
how can i use hackRF to open and listen to the encryption radios?
like DMR & P25
and can you tell me about havequick encryption and how can decrypte it?
abdul 01 let me know if u get the answer .. I got a hackrf one too