I binge watch your CTZ videos just to do it at this point Baph lol, your series is legendary. Miss your content so bad I’d legit just pay to watch you mix a record on stream or something😂
Properly superb! Great to see your own implementation of Baphy's CTZ. Still working this into my own stuff (in Ableton) and this was extremely insightful. Thanks dude.
Makes sense to get on it A.S.AP like you have done, then EQ as in subtractive to fit all the sounds with panning and then move onto additive etc in the mixing stage. Hey what ever floats ones boat, what suits. ENJOY.
Yes Smurf. Long time brother, good to see you still at it. Check out Baphometrix channel for the full science mate, and also use my link if you buy Saturate so I can pick up up those commission pennies 😂 www.pluginboutique.com/product/2-Effects/44-Saturation/5573-Saturate/?a_aid=54f0128010c19
i have finished a track and had it mastered but then compared to other tracks it really is lacking something, not sure what it is but the overall punch and hi end is missing, any ideas what this could be ?
Amazing video, I'm watching Baphy's videos but I'm not able to understand how all that could work on a practical way step by step Can you upload a new vid showing how you mix after this? Very great channel!
Thanks Lorne. I dont think I will be making any more videos solely on CTZ as I feel like I don’t want to encroach any further on Baphy’s USP, but she will be making a few videos very soon on how to mix!
Yes. But I’m pretty sure that once people have got to a point where a video as niche as this from a channel as niche as mine is showing up in their feed, that they have already got past the basics of how sound works
Hey man found you yesterday, really like your channel! I've got a question, so when setting it up like this, are you then in the mixing stage lowering the volume with the main faders again (lets say for Kickdrum -7dbfs), in order to achieve the needed headroom? I don't understand this part yet. Also would it be possible just to use the Gain Volume on the Cubase EQ instead of the Newfangled plugin? Thanks!
Nice vid to show a quick implementation and although youre not strictly following the detail its gives (he gives a LOT of detail !) a nice example of what can be achieved pretty quickly with a few elements.
Do you set the DAW faders at 0 and then use the output of saturate to get the balance of all the instruments or do you use the DAW faders to balance them.
You can use either. Just keep the Kick at zero and balance everything else against that - just remember that this is not mixing, this is just getting stuff in the ball park whilst you are producing!
Do you use this only on drum sounds or can it also be used on synths, arps plucks, pads…?! great video btw, will try it for sure :). hopefully have no clipping issues on the master bus 😌
Thanks. Yes, I use it on all sounds. I highly recommend you watch as many of @baphometrix 's videos on CTZ as possible to understand the theory and reasoning behind what I was doing. I just wanted to show how you can implement the CTZ strategy at speed when producing!
Craig, from what I understand from Baphometrix, a limiter applies to the tonal elements in the mix, not a clipper. Also not always the same clipper but depending on the elements you have in the mix you choose between the two that he presented. Regarding the structure of the buses, maybe I can understand the logic in which you made them, but if I choose for example the "kick + bass" bus, it seems to me almost a creative choice. Have you always used such a bus or do you simply have it in your template in case you want to apply it? Even "Instrument Bus" in which you once again put the drums and bass together with the synths seems a bit forced to me. I can clearly understand that it's about cascading clipping but it seems a bit too much or maybe I didn't understand this method well enough. All I wanted to say is that if I use this logic I can create a bunch of buses depending on other affinities that certain sounds in the mix can have with each other and in this way they reach a huge bus system. I know what I'm saying is exaggerated but I wanted to emphasize the idea a bit.
The reason I use NF Saturate over a limiter or a more traditional clipper is just because I like the way it sounds on pretty much everything. There is no deep science behind my reasoning. With regards to my bussing, I have always had my Kick and Bass bus as well as my top level busses, but I have added a few lower level busses since implementing CTZ on my workflow. Again, no real science behind it other than this signal flow is what makes sense to me. I guess the main purpose of the video was just to show how I have married Baphometrix’s teachings in to my own personal workflow
No, nothing will ever be in the red as I have a clipper at every stage in the bussing structure. For this to make sense you have to watch Baphometrix full course on Clip To Zero over on her channel. This video was just showing a way to implement the technique during production so that your track will be ready to mix in the way that she teaches over there
@@Tutorial_ism yes I must have made an error I was trying to follow your template with how I work so I must have set something incorrect as I have been following the Clip to zero technique i might have the reference track setup wrong as yes it should not go over it would have been greater if you shared your template either on here or on Patreon which I’ve yet to join do you share these in there everyone works differently but easier to adjust then follow thanks again
No. In the Mixer you can see that it is about 18ms of latency per instance. If you do run in to problems you can use KClip by Kazrog which has an even smaller footprint
@@Tutorial_ism Great. As a transition to mixing it would be interesting how you would take the standings of the project at the end of this video (i.e. all clipped to zero) into a new mixing project where some analogue emulating plugins are used (i.e. gain staging is needed to meet their sweet spots) and where you again use CTZ.
Great video man! Came from Baphy as well - Question: Since you have kick to 0 and all the rest ballanced against that , isn't your master at least some dbs over 0? How do you handle this? Move down master fader?
I have a clipper on every bus including the master so nothing goes above zero and I dont have to touch the master fader. Baphy will be explaining mixing with buses pretty soon!
@@gangsterdistrict1154 not really. The kick is hitting zero on the input of Saturate and then gain staged on the output of Saturate. I think he put his to minus 6db. Other sounds like pads and keys are going to be gain staged to lower db levels.
@@gangsterdistrict1154 it's just a matter of bussing everything with clippers and then sending those busses to another less aggressive clipper. You can then use a limiter to give it that slight push after
Just personal preference. For my style of music the kick and bass are the driving force, so once I have them working nicely together I then just consider them as one thing
@@Tutorial_ism yeah they are driving force indeed.. but in same buss arent they be clashing someway even if side chained? Because once bass routed to same kick buss then the clipper will cause sub harmonics and it will overlap kicks
That’s another reason why I have them together. The aim is to have barely any, if any at all, clipping on the kick and bass group. And because I can monitor how much clipping is happening right here, I don’t have to worry about them so much when they sum together with other things, later down the chain
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Love it! Great adaptation to your personal workflow and bussing preferences. I really like the careful thought behind your bussing structure!
Thanks Baphy. You changed the game!
Yes he did
And thanks to you too one love
I binge watch your CTZ videos just to do it at this point Baph lol, your series is legendary. Miss your content so bad I’d legit just pay to watch you mix a record on stream or something😂
The master of clippers #baphometrix ❤
Properly superb! Great to see your own implementation of Baphy's CTZ. Still working this into my own stuff (in Ableton) and this was extremely insightful. Thanks dude.
So organised! I feel humbled. Thanks.
at 23:20, could anyone explain to me what the output level of the plugin is doing? if you lower it, would your sound no longer be peaking at 0?
Awesome, love how you use the ref track too!
Really good tune. That vocal!
Only 2 plugins wow 🔥🔥🔥 thanks
Just what I was looking for brother!
Yes mate 😎
I like the idea of this. Will have to check out Baphometrix video
I highly recommend that you do!
Great tutorial keep up the good work ,,,
Thanks mate
Makes sense to get on it A.S.AP like you have done, then EQ as in subtractive to fit all the sounds with panning and then move onto additive etc in the mixing stage.
Hey what ever floats ones boat, what suits. ENJOY.
Nice one Pez.
I'm going to use this method on a new track.
Also checking out a demo of Saturate.
Yes Smurf. Long time brother, good to see you still at it. Check out Baphometrix channel for the full science mate, and also use my link if you buy Saturate so I can pick up up those commission pennies 😂 www.pluginboutique.com/product/2-Effects/44-Saturation/5573-Saturate/?a_aid=54f0128010c19
@@Tutorial_ism Will do matey.
I've watched his overview video and will have a scan thru them all.
Check out Smurf still rocking the GGM for nearly 30 years....amazing mate, amazing!
@@philthepowa6011 haha aye. I'll be a gabba Grandad :)
hey! thanks for the video, really appreciate it.
i tried the saturation clipper and find that its changing the sound of my kick. Why does it do so?
Very educational
Thanks
Nice video! Think you forgot one step, the normalisation of the audio described in Episode 6 with the loudness meter if I remember well!
you don‘t need to if you push it right into a clipper. it‘s „normalised“ right before it starts to clip
i have finished a track and had it mastered but then compared to other tracks it really is lacking something, not sure what it is but the overall punch and hi end is missing, any ideas what this could be ?
Amazing video, I'm watching Baphy's videos but I'm not able to understand how all that could work on a practical way step by step
Can you upload a new vid showing how you mix after this? Very great channel!
Thanks Lorne. I dont think I will be making any more videos solely on CTZ as I feel like I don’t want to encroach any further on Baphy’s USP, but she will be making a few videos very soon on how to mix!
@@Tutorial_ism I'm sure she appreciates you think that way, I'm subbed anyways 🤟
Need that template whoa
Sorry - you mentioned this video is a follow up from the previous - can you share the link please?
how do you mix/gainstage with this technique
Remember as well, just because its sounds louder doesnt always means it sounds better.
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure
@@Tutorial_ism That statement still stands when it comes to mixing music,. Its a fact.
Yes. But I’m pretty sure that once people have got to a point where a video as niche as this from a channel as niche as mine is showing up in their feed, that they have already got past the basics of how sound works
@@Tutorial_ism ha ha. Enjoy.
Wold you clip the vocals to zero too? If so, what level against the kik thanks
Hey man found you yesterday, really like your channel!
I've got a question, so when setting it up like this, are you then in the mixing stage lowering the volume with the main faders again (lets say for Kickdrum -7dbfs), in order to achieve the needed headroom? I don't understand this part yet.
Also would it be possible just to use the Gain Volume on the Cubase EQ instead of the Newfangled plugin? Thanks!
So you clip everything to zero and then just balance the output volume faders to balance the mix?
Yes, leaving the kick’s fader untouched you just balance everything around that
And than the kick gets to loud.
Nice vid to show a quick implementation and although youre not strictly following the detail its gives (he gives a LOT of detail !) a nice example of what can be achieved pretty quickly with a few elements.
Do you set the DAW faders at 0 and then use the output of saturate to get the balance of all the instruments or do you use the DAW faders to balance them.
You can use either. Just keep the Kick at zero and balance everything else against that - just remember that this is not mixing, this is just getting stuff in the ball park whilst you are producing!
Do you use this only on drum sounds or can it also be used on synths, arps plucks, pads…?! great video btw, will try it for sure :). hopefully have no clipping issues on the master bus 😌
Thanks. Yes, I use it on all sounds. I highly recommend you watch as many of @baphometrix 's videos on CTZ as possible to understand the theory and reasoning behind what I was doing. I just wanted to show how you can implement the CTZ strategy at speed when producing!
Thanks!
watch Baphometrix ‘s video on this topic , makes 1000x more sense
Baphometrix is the GOAT!
Craig, from what I understand from Baphometrix, a limiter applies to the tonal elements in the mix, not a clipper. Also not always the same clipper but depending on the elements you have in the mix you choose between the two that he presented.
Regarding the structure of the buses, maybe I can understand the logic in which you made them, but if I choose for example the "kick + bass" bus, it seems to me almost a creative choice. Have you always used such a bus or do you simply have it in your template in case you want to apply it? Even "Instrument Bus" in which you once again put the drums and bass together with the synths seems a bit forced to me. I can clearly understand that it's about cascading clipping but it seems a bit too much or maybe I didn't understand this method well enough.
All I wanted to say is that if I use this logic I can create a bunch of buses depending on other affinities that certain sounds in the mix can have with each other and in this way they reach a huge bus system. I know what I'm saying is exaggerated but I wanted to emphasize the idea a bit.
The reason I use NF Saturate over a limiter or a more traditional clipper is just because I like the way it sounds on pretty much everything. There is no deep science behind my reasoning. With regards to my bussing, I have always had my Kick and Bass bus as well as my top level busses, but I have added a few lower level busses since implementing CTZ on my workflow. Again, no real science behind it other than this signal flow is what makes sense to me. I guess the main purpose of the video was just to show how I have married Baphometrix’s teachings in to my own personal workflow
So if everything is hitting zero on saturate and the master is in the red ? Do you have to adjust the pre gain in the or do you just limit the master
No, nothing will ever be in the red as I have a clipper at every stage in the bussing structure. For this to make sense you have to watch Baphometrix full course on Clip To Zero over on her channel. This video was just showing a way to implement the technique during production so that your track will be ready to mix in the way that she teaches over there
@@Tutorial_ism yes I must have made an error I was trying to follow your template with how I work so I must have set something incorrect as I have been following the Clip to zero technique i might have the reference track setup wrong as yes it should not go over it would have been greater if you shared your template either on here or on Patreon which I’ve yet to join do you share these in there everyone works differently but easier to adjust then follow thanks again
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No CPU problems with so many Saturate instances active?
No. In the Mixer you can see that it is about 18ms of latency per instance. If you do run in to problems you can use KClip by Kazrog which has an even smaller footprint
@@Tutorial_ism Great. As a transition to mixing it would be interesting how you would take the standings of the project at the end of this video (i.e. all clipped to zero) into a new mixing project where some analogue emulating plugins are used (i.e. gain staging is needed to meet their sweet spots) and where you again use CTZ.
Great video man! Came from Baphy as well - Question: Since you have kick to 0 and all the rest ballanced against that , isn't your master at least some dbs over 0? How do you handle this? Move down master fader?
I have a clipper on every bus including the master so nothing goes above zero and I dont have to touch the master fader. Baphy will be explaining mixing with buses pretty soon!
@@Tutorial_ism still the summing of all signals in master channel will create overshoots.
@@gangsterdistrict1154 not really. The kick is hitting zero on the input of Saturate and then gain staged on the output of Saturate. I think he put his to minus 6db. Other sounds like pads and keys are going to be gain staged to lower db levels.
@@gangsterdistrict1154 it's just a matter of bussing everything with clippers and then sending those busses to another less aggressive clipper. You can then use a limiter to give it that slight push after
why you summed kick and bass in one buss??
Just personal preference. For my style of music the kick and bass are the driving force, so once I have them working nicely together I then just consider them as one thing
@@Tutorial_ism yeah they are driving force indeed.. but in same buss arent they be clashing someway even if side chained? Because once bass routed to same kick buss then the clipper will cause sub harmonics and it will overlap kicks
That’s another reason why I have them together. The aim is to have barely any, if any at all, clipping on the kick and bass group. And because I can monitor how much clipping is happening right here, I don’t have to worry about them so much when they sum together with other things, later down the chain
@@Tutorial_ism i need time to understand this. Can you do a short on this thing. 1min long..would be enough
There is way too much to put in to one minute. The only way to fully understand the theory is to watch Baphy’s playlist