Same thing for me here in Sweden. I have seen two other nodes in my town. But no answers ever 😒 and friends not interested. Good luck! And dont give up. I am not going to 😚
Having a large amount of commercial experience with deploying LoRaWAN myself, this is hugely interesting to me and I will definitely be checking Ripple out.
the problem with this is that its easy to detect because it doesnt change the frequency, theres one radio that jumps 20ms which makes it hard to locate. thats good because in a lot of countries its illegal as encrypted and without license. its definitely better than normal ham radio but its still not optimal for shtf scenarios. Great video, i love to educate myself on ways to communicate with new devices and software, great video!
I did my Work Experience at Peter Chilvers' windsurfing centre, which was on the slipway of Royal Victoria Docks. It was a blast. This was late 80's, it has changed pretty dramatically since then! I bet you don't see massive rats hanging out near the cranes these days.
Im still trying to get to grips with Meshtastic. Is this just a text messaging device❓ Is it the number of nodes determines how far a message can be sent or not❓ What is the max distance you can send from one node to another❓ So if there are many other nodes placed out there can you send a text message sitting at home❓ How do you know which node you are sending to and in what direction❓
It is often said encryption is against the spirit of ham radio. I personally don't subscribe to this perspective, but while doing research on DMR encryption I read a lot of vitriol for the whole concept of using encryption in amateur settings. I'm assuming this particular implementation is at least legal (most countries ban amateur encryption), but would be curious if any similar conversations are happening around it
Thanks Lewis, very interesting. Also interesting: appearing particularly during the outro, is the Millennium Mills building. It's in Orbital's video for The Box from... 1996?
Just use One Time Pads so it doesn't matter if MI6, FSB, or the CIA are reading your comms. You do have to make sure your pads are completely random and that you observe good OpSec (but that's a good life rule anyway).
Does the Ripple firmware allow the T-Deck to still access meshtastic nodes for extended communication, or is it a completely separate network? I did notice that the Dev has updated to an "Ultra" version, adding mapping and geoup texting capability among other options, have you looked at these additional capabilities yet?
Very cool! Would other Ripple hardware out there necessarily function as repeaters, to pass private messages between folks who've gotten out of direct range of each other?
Yeah. I would happily pay like $300 or more for a polished plug and play product that could do just that. That’s cool. Still working on wrapping my head around all of the stuff I can do within just ham right now, but that’s an interesting concept for sure.
I'd wait a bit before trusting my life on it and see how secure it is in practice. It won't be the first time an encryption scheme got broken by some side-channel or implementation vulnerability. Even if the individual messages are strong encrypted attackers could find a way around that by messing with the communications and protocol and read along anyway.
Or that the crypto is properly implemented, or works at all, or that the device firmware isn't hacked in-band or via one it's many transceivers, or hacked at point of distribution, or compromised by an evil developer or via 'rubber hose' coercion. Security is hard.
I love this channel every episode has something interesting but I especially like the episodes with other people in them like this one. Off to watch Andy's video now 👍
I'm a bit concerned, I've been hearing and reading a lot about unsafe RF levels off the mesh boards, especially the cheaper ones. I haven't heard you talk about this yet, any thoughts?
One time tables generated by a true random source are to my knowledge the only form of encryption that is by definition also genrating a random sequence of values in all asoects egually as random as the table as long as the no prior information between the two parties was exchanged in private and in person and only between two parties at most. No part if the table can be reusused.ever. This means that also this encryption method is undecipherable by any means possible, quantum or infinite time will bot help. It will merely give all possible messages/sequences. And thoae inclufe the full works ifbshakesspeare the bibble and Pi to arbitrary precision. Nullyfyjng the attempt to gain usefull unfo. Also after being used up, it must be physically be destroyed. Not merely erased or writen over with other info as that still leaves some info about the original table. Nowadays datastorage is not that costly anymore, even if in a form of laser etching into fragile materials sacrificing thre data density for certainty of being the completely get rid if the used up info. For plain texts, a llillte table goes a long way. And meetups once in a while are a must anyway.
I have flashed the Ripple firmware for the US 915 Mhz, but once i reset the device, it goes into a loop of connecting and disconnecting from the pc i am using to set it up. Did you have a similar experience? Would love to see a step by step to figure out what i missed. The dev just says to give a shout out with issues, but i have not been able to reach him yet. Any additional pointers? Tia
Have you seen the sneak preview of the new Meshtastic firmware for the T-Deck that IS all self-contained? They showed it on an Instagram post... It looks preeeettttyyyyy great...!
Cheers, going to have to do a lot of watching now….. newbie question mate, so I can limit how much to watch, does this work similarity to how you’ve described meshtastic’s ‘nodes’ forwarding thingy-me-bob tech? In the video you referred to meshtastic, as if it was different (hence my ignorant confusion)
My Heltec V3 isn't getting any signals or messages aren't being received! I'm in NW London and meshtastic24/7 map says otherwise.. Any help? using stock antenna.
Clicked on random vid from this channel today (Russian pirate one) and subbed because it was interesting, this came up soon after and not disappointed!
Same sort of ranges as Meshtastic. With height and clear line of sight can be many miles. I have had 45 miles plus. Where line of sight is limited it is then can be far less. A few users in my town use Meshtastic and we can see each other. We are within a mile of each other. In EU and uk 868 is 500mw effective isotropic radiated power.
It's a parameter that determines how much bandwidth your signal uses. All users need to agree on how they set it to be interoperable (unless there's a discover/adapt function).
Noob here but the frequency setup at the begining is that ti match our region and antenna? For example, im from the US and my antenna i ordered i believe is 915, i would simply select that at that point? Thanks!
Yes, in the US it is a 915 Mhz antenna needed. Ripple and Meshtastic aak for your location (region) so it is set up for the correct band. Ripple actually has a separate firmware for US vs UK band.
@Coyot21 very nice, thanks. I like ripple but I think I'll end up using meshtastic just for the network access of the existing communities and nodes everywhere. Does ripple have anything like that or plan on doing so one day?
FYI: I think DMs over Meshtastic are currently encrypted with the PSK of the channel that both users share. If the only channel is the LongFast then the message is encrypted with AQ== which anyone can decrypt.
Spleenware/Ripple seems to be a one or two man band unlike Meshtastic. Also many of their Github files are 4 years old, so project seems to be semi anbandoned?
I have a slightly jaundiced view of secure comms tech in that it is an open invitation to those who mean no good to stay below the radar. We live in a very dangerous world at many different levels with law enforcement and the security services struggling against a lack of resources and an ever increasing workload. As a law abiding citizen I have never felt a compelling need to be off grid. Just saying.
Good for you, if it’s not for you then no big deal, there are legitimate reasons for good people to have secure comms, for example I want to have secure comms during/after a natural disaster to coordinate supplies/movements with much lower risk of robbery. You also seem to place a lot of faith that the government has the best interests of people in mind, they have proven time and time again that giving up security for safety is not a good idea.
If they didn't decide to snoop on everyone's conversations on the planet, they would have far more resources. For thousands of years we didn't have this level of monitoring.
Well that's a first On meshtastic, a guy replied to me saying he was over Bridgend at 35,000 feet Turns out he's on a plane, even got the flight number in his username
🤐🍿.... naval history speaks otherwise to rf com's security.... and nowdays the heavy lifting portion can be offloaded to a cloud instance or dedicated hardware, or check any of the recent vids/papers on encryption breaking/modifying being published,
Great day rog!
Amazing day pig
@@RingwayManchester ruclips.net/video/zdDqRFT0890/видео.html :)
Who was the guy with the leaf blower?
His fella
@RingwayManchester>>> 🤭
You're lucky to have a friend like Andy who will participate in stuff like this. I don't have any local friends that will play radios with me.
I am but I had to drive 200 miles to do this video haha
Same here
@JohninCle Cleveland, Tennessee? yes. Cleveland ohio? No
Same thing for me here in Sweden. I have seen two other nodes in my town. But no answers ever 😒 and friends not interested. Good luck! And dont give up. I am not going to 😚
So true
I never noticed before how much you both look like the police when you're together and playing with radios :)
I can't be the only one who had anxiety at you putting your radio gear on the railing over the water.
I had flashbacks of my blackberry mouse ball thing going out lol
Having a large amount of commercial experience with deploying LoRaWAN myself, this is hugely interesting to me and I will definitely be checking Ripple out.
the problem with this is that its easy to detect because it doesnt change the frequency, theres one radio that jumps 20ms which makes it hard to locate. thats good because in a lot of countries its illegal as encrypted and without license. its definitely better than normal ham radio but its still not optimal for shtf scenarios. Great video, i love to educate myself on ways to communicate with new devices and software, great video!
I did my Work Experience at Peter Chilvers' windsurfing centre, which was on the slipway of Royal Victoria Docks. It was a blast. This was late 80's, it has changed pretty dramatically since then! I bet you don't see massive rats hanging out near the cranes these days.
When the baseline drops 🕺
Im still trying to get to grips with Meshtastic. Is this just a text messaging device❓ Is it the number of nodes determines how far a message can be sent or not❓ What is the max distance you can send from one node to another❓ So if there are many other nodes placed out there can you send a text message sitting at home❓ How do you know which node you are sending to and in what direction❓
That's cool, better to have e-ink display use much less battery to make the unit smaller
hope these devices will improve and we will see some with e-ink.
A small but not tiny OLED screen is also an option.
It is often said encryption is against the spirit of ham radio. I personally don't subscribe to this perspective, but while doing research on DMR encryption I read a lot of vitriol for the whole concept of using encryption in amateur settings. I'm assuming this particular implementation is at least legal (most countries ban amateur encryption), but would be curious if any similar conversations are happening around it
There's a large case on Makerworld that will accomodate the 6000mAh battery
Interesting...i have a ham myself, and keep it in an emp bag (just in case, i guess). Looks like something i might add to the collection
Thanks Lewis, very interesting.
Also interesting: appearing particularly during the outro, is the Millennium Mills building. It's in Orbital's video for The Box from... 1996?
That's it.. make HIM do all the walking .... ROFLMAO!! :)
Just use One Time Pads so it doesn't matter if MI6, FSB, or the CIA are reading your comms. You do have to make sure your pads are completely random and that you observe good OpSec (but that's a good life rule anyway).
great to see both yours and Andy's perspectives on the same topic
It’s always nice to have a friend who you can go out with and do tests it’s a shame there are not as many young women in the hobbie like myself
Your 3D printing is 80s/90s sci-fi hand prop cool! I love that look.
Does the Ripple firmware allow the T-Deck to still access meshtastic nodes for extended communication, or is it a completely separate network? I did notice that the Dev has updated to an "Ultra" version, adding mapping and geoup texting capability among other options, have you looked at these additional capabilities yet?
That's a bloody good zoom on your camera, Lewis. Half a mile away, and sharp as a pin. Impressive.
May I ask what camera and lens you use?
Cheers! It’s the Nikon p1000
5:00 i caught bass under that bridge in about 2011 ❤
Very cool! Would other Ripple hardware out there necessarily function as repeaters, to pass private messages between folks who've gotten out of direct range of each other?
Yeah. I would happily pay like $300 or more for a polished plug and play product that could do just that. That’s cool.
Still working on wrapping my head around all of the stuff I can do within just ham right now, but that’s an interesting concept for sure.
I absolutely enjoy watching you together testing out radios and other radio tech. Please make more videos together thank you 👍👍
I'd wait a bit before trusting my life on it and see how secure it is in practice. It won't be the first time an encryption scheme got broken by some side-channel or implementation vulnerability.
Even if the individual messages are strong encrypted attackers could find a way around that by messing with the communications and protocol and read along anyway.
Or that the crypto is properly implemented, or works at all, or that the device firmware isn't hacked in-band or via one it's many transceivers, or hacked at point of distribution, or compromised by an evil developer or via 'rubber hose' coercion.
Security is hard.
Wow! Andy Kirby did a video on exactly this subject. What a coincidence, man!
neat but with limited range it's kinda eh... need to be able to reach at least 10-15 miles.
Getting Session onto Lora Mesh would be great.
Session messaging is one of the free open source truly disposable conversations.
77:44 Andy was giving you the finger for making him walk so far.😂
HI! this is a very good video but the CDMA&868 frequency can be generally blocked by jammers right is there any other alternative for this
Looks similar to Alley Cat's case - a nice wee case. glow in the dark filament might need purchased lol
Yeah it looks to be, he didn’t credit so I’ve told him to amend. It’s a cool case!
@@RingwayManchester it's a really well designed case. I use it myself.
I've got one of these, currently running meshtastic, it does need a major rework to utilise the T-Deck hardware, Ripple looks interesting
This is pretty cool. Another great video in the books
Need a wrist lanyard on that. I was panicking every time you waved it around.
Ha ha this was like the DVD Director's Commentary of Andy's vid!
😂👍🏻
dude thats a business 😊 be blessed sir ❤
I love this channel every episode has something interesting but I especially like the episodes with other people in them like this one. Off to watch Andy's video now 👍
I'm a bit concerned, I've been hearing and reading a lot about unsafe RF levels off the mesh boards, especially the cheaper ones. I haven't heard you talk about this yet, any thoughts?
And I bet you have a microwave and cell phone that you use
isnt that a straight up Blackberry keyboard? i could feel the texture 😂
Nice experimentation video. Happy Easter, God bless.
You should do a follow up video with more case options and get it sponsored by PCBway with your friend so we can purchase it internationally
Thanks 👍
I love Andy's channel, too ❣
One time tables generated by a true random source are to my knowledge the only form of encryption that is by definition also genrating a random sequence of values in all asoects egually as random as the table as long as the no prior information between the two parties was exchanged in private and in person and only between two parties at most. No part if the table can be reusused.ever.
This means that also this encryption method is undecipherable by any means possible, quantum or infinite time will bot help. It will merely give all possible messages/sequences. And thoae inclufe the full works ifbshakesspeare the bibble and Pi to arbitrary precision. Nullyfyjng the attempt to gain usefull unfo.
Also after being used up, it must be physically be destroyed. Not merely erased or writen over with other info as that still leaves some info about the original table.
Nowadays datastorage is not that costly anymore, even if in a form of laser etching into fragile materials sacrificing thre data density for certainty of being the completely get rid if the used up info. For plain texts, a llillte table goes a long way. And meetups once in a while are a must anyway.
I have flashed the Ripple firmware for the US 915 Mhz, but once i reset the device, it goes into a loop of connecting and disconnecting from the pc i am using to set it up. Did you have a similar experience? Would love to see a step by step to figure out what i missed. The dev just says to give a shout out with issues, but i have not been able to reach him yet. Any additional pointers? Tia
4:23 at this point I expected Ali G to pop on screen.
Yeeeesssssss meshatstic!!!
Which antenna did you use for your Lilygo t-deck?
Have you seen the sneak preview of the new Meshtastic firmware for the T-Deck that IS all self-contained? They showed it on an Instagram post... It looks preeeettttyyyyy great...!
So can it still use an intermediate relay like meshtastic or are you limited to t-deck to t-deck range
That’s what I was wondering
I did my dissertation on building something similar, pretty cool :)
how do i get those 😊
Cheers, going to have to do a lot of watching now….. newbie question mate, so I can limit how much to watch, does this work similarity to how you’ve described meshtastic’s ‘nodes’ forwarding thingy-me-bob tech? In the video you referred to meshtastic, as if it was different (hence my ignorant confusion)
so is encrypted between the 2 that are paired ? ,other people on the freq cant see the messages ?
My only question is what is the max distance you can get
Very cool and secure enough for many applications, but what are those aye
My Heltec V3 isn't getting any signals or messages aren't being received! I'm in NW London and meshtastic24/7 map says otherwise.. Any help? using stock antenna.
Are you on the right frequency?
@@RingwayManchesterOn 868.
@@RingwayManchesterLong-Fast 868, I bought and got an 868 Heltec off Aliexpress.
If you’re on the little stock antenna and nobody’s within a mile you’re not likely to get anyone
Have you a link to the Lily Go board and that so people can buy them?
Which printer do you have, Lewis?
do you know how to add buzzer to HELTEC® LoRa 32 V3?
Clicked on random vid from this channel today (Russian pirate one) and subbed because it was interesting, this came up soon after and not disappointed!
Can you display the RSSI value?
What's your opinion on the CardPuter?
They have a project to turn the CardPuter into a Ripple device but not a Meshtastic device (yet)
I know nothing about it Neil I’ll have a look
Great video footage of London btw, especially the planes landing at (city?) airport. Makes me want to go back for my next UK holiday 🥰
The screens way to dark and reflective, needs an upgrade, Ripple has potential tho..
So unlike Meshtastic do the devices need to be paired before they can communicate with each other?
After updating t-deck not visible on Meshtastic app
Why dont they just sell this?... like text Walkie Talkies
What is the full range of frequencies you can use ?
Is 915 mhz the upper limit ?
Is 868 the low limit ?
What is the power output ?
In the EU we use 868 - actually 869.525 for Meshtastic.. you can also use 433Mhz.
Same sort of ranges as Meshtastic. With height and clear line of sight can be many miles. I have had 45 miles plus. Where line of sight is limited it is then can be far less. A few users in my town use Meshtastic and we can see each other. We are within a mile of each other. In EU and uk 868 is 500mw effective isotropic radiated power.
Are these communicating directly to eachother, or do they relay via meshtastic?
Meshtastic isn’t involved. This is a separate Lora application
Great stuff. Those glow in the dark cases could be handy for emergency comms. I really like you green case. Very military.
73 M7TUD
What the heck is a "spreading factor"?
It's a parameter that determines how much bandwidth your signal uses. All users need to agree on how they set it to be interoperable (unless there's a discover/adapt function).
Noob here but the frequency setup at the begining is that ti match our region and antenna? For example, im from the US and my antenna i ordered i believe is 915, i would simply select that at that point? Thanks!
Yes, in the US it is a 915 Mhz antenna needed. Ripple and Meshtastic aak for your location (region) so it is set up for the correct band. Ripple actually has a separate firmware for US vs UK band.
@Coyot21 very nice, thanks. I like ripple but I think I'll end up using meshtastic just for the network access of the existing communities and nodes everywhere. Does ripple have anything like that or plan on doing so one day?
I'm guessing Ripple is a similar network to Meshtastic? I've not heard of it before, to be honest!
Be good if you can do two way audio as well as text
These are neat!
FYI: I think DMs over Meshtastic are currently encrypted with the PSK of the channel that both users share. If the only channel is the LongFast then the message is encrypted with AQ== which anyone can decrypt.
This video isn’t about Meshtastic
Great video!
Looked at the thumbnail and instantly thought Blackberry. Click on the video, and that's one fat Blackberry lol.
Oh please don’t give me an excuse to buy another t deck.
what camera and lens did you use for the zoom?
Nikon p1000 had to dial back the zoom a lot because of the bridge shake! It’s a great camera.
Can you retrieve old messages with this system. And can’t wait for open spaces trial
You can scroll up the messages
Drug dealers in cities are gonna love this!
When private comms are outlawed, only outlaws will have private comms.
Great vid but cant see the link for the software?
Sorted
No guessing who supplied the sound track 😁😁
?
this looks suspiciously like a blackberry curve 🤔
You can still collect thoes signals and intercept them 😅
It's encrypted.
So metadata, can still direction find and know something is going on. Then it is down to the $5 wrench (XKCD reference)
Spleenware/Ripple seems to be a one or two man band unlike Meshtastic. Also many of their Github files are 4 years old, so project seems to be semi anbandoned?
Nope there’s lots of development in the works as we speak
@RingwayManchester >>> Great video...👍
These devices are very similar to Blackberry phones
They certainly are
I have a slightly jaundiced view of secure comms tech in that it is an open invitation to those who mean no good to stay below the radar. We live in a very dangerous world at many different levels with law enforcement and the security services struggling against a lack of resources and an ever increasing workload. As a law abiding citizen I have never felt a compelling need to be off grid. Just saying.
Good for you, if it’s not for you then no big deal, there are legitimate reasons for good people to have secure comms, for example I want to have secure comms during/after a natural disaster to coordinate supplies/movements with much lower risk of robbery. You also seem to place a lot of faith that the government has the best interests of people in mind, they have proven time and time again that giving up security for safety is not a good idea.
"We're here to check your thinking."
If they didn't decide to snoop on everyone's conversations on the planet, they would have far more resources.
For thousands of years we didn't have this level of monitoring.
They remind me of Cybiko Xtreme from 2000
Can you send messages to email or android apps
Well that's a first
On meshtastic, a guy replied to me saying he was over Bridgend at 35,000 feet
Turns out he's on a plane, even got the flight number in his username
@RingwayManchester he was flying from manchester to porto, you might catch him on the way back, SPD3 is short name
Lilly go T deck sold out , cases sold out esp sold out sold out everything 😮😂
Case is designed by a lady called alley cat. If you can print or know someone who can.
🤐🍿.... naval history speaks otherwise to rf com's security.... and nowdays the heavy lifting portion can be offloaded to a cloud instance or dedicated hardware, or check any of the recent vids/papers on encryption breaking/modifying being published,
Hi, 433Mhz supported ?
Ripple? Surely not the fintech solutions provider company that uses XRP as crypto
Close friend it's better than mate. But come on 😆👍
Whuuuuut ?