Angry Pilot Exposed After Hitting Wrong Button | ATC vs Pilots
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- As an airline pilot there are a lot of responsibilities and only one of those is safely flying the plane, and sometimes the stress level comes out at a bad times.
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0:00 - Intro
0:38 - Speak up...I can't hear you
10:51 - Cleared for Takeoff
18:21 - I'm the Controller now
As a retired Marine with 7 combat deployments (enlisted), I found that staying calm, giving clear and simple direction created a far more effective environment to hopefully stay alive. Hot heads should NEVER be in ANY kind of leadership. Love the channel!! Semper Fi
I'm not a pilot, I don't plan on becoming a pilot of any sort, and yet "imagine they're your little brother" was the best analogy ever and I'll remember that for life. Even 50 years from now I'll still remember that commercial planes are like your little brother and will always snitch on you
Ready for your mind to be blown? Commercial big rigs and other vehicles do the same thing.
Most cars records everything: speed, weight on board, braking, g forces, et cetera.
The data has been used in criminal and civil cases.
Yep
Oh they do that in trains too. At least in the UK, trains have pretty much have the same black box as commercial jets that records absolutely every single thing the driver does and it can be viewed in absolute real time by anyone with a compatible laptop and software.
Actually the bigger trains, HSTs have three computers on board with a connection to everything that controls the engine and to sensors in the rail tracks so even if say the driver passes out and the train approaches a red light, the computer will apply the emergency brakes and stop the train all on its own and likely signals traffic control too.
Now because computers are not especially reliable and prone to breaking down, that’s why there have to be three independent computers on board and at least two have to agree. So if two say “we got to stop there’s a red light ahead and the driver hasn’t responded” and the third is malfunctioning and says “nah there’s no red light, we’re fine to keep going” it gets overridden and the brakes are applied.
And here’s the dealbreaker for me personally. If by some extreme chance that two are malfunctioning (and I wouldn’t put it past computers for this to happen fairly often) and it’s just not functioning properly the driver can “isolate the system” which basically is the equivalent of turning it off and assuming full manual control.
Of course if the driver doesn’t have a very good reason for isolating the safety system then s/he will get in a lot of trouble because the train/black box will absolutely snitch on him/her.
And on a totally unrelated note, I’m starting to suspect that me and my brother were weird. Growing up we were best friends. I’m a couple years older than him and it might help that I was a bit of a tomboy growing up. But while we stayed apart in school for reputational reasons at home we got on really well and played together. Sure we had the occasional argument but always resolved it quickly afterwards.
And we also kept each other’s secrets. And we meant it. Somehow for roughly twenty years we never ever betrayed each other. Occasionally we even worked together. I think I’d finished secondary school but my brother still attended. One day he wanted to stay home to watch the opening day of the football World Cup so he asked me if I’d help him convince our mother that it was an “in service day” (a day off for the kids while the staff have meetings) so he could stay home. He needed me to distract her from seeing the kids pass by on the way home. I did this by volunteering to help her dig part of the back garden for planting at just the right time to keep her busy.
And as far as we know it worked perfectly. It took well over an hour and she was never the wiser. At least not until we admitted it many years later as full adults.
Before I retired from a Steel Construction company, I was a field boss and drove a company truck. That thing had EVERYTHING you could imagine to snitch on you. GPS that recorded where you were, how fast you were driving, how hard you were braking, any stops you made, as well as a cam that watched YOU as you drove. I suspect it was to see if people were smoking, eating, drinking (coffee/soda) in the truck (against company policy). I think it also recorded how close you were driving to vehicles in front of you, not sure about that one though.
Anyways, they knew EXACTLY what you were doing in their truck at all times. Then to make matters worse, they had a 1-800 number for "How's my driving", which got trolled relentlessly!
15:00 I'm not sure if the recording still exists, but back in the 70's a Soviet MiG-25 pilot, Viktor Belenko stole the airplane he was flying and defected to the west landing in Japan.
The MiG-25 is quite a large airplane and because he landed down wind without clearance he nearly collided with a fighter plane that was taking off.
The pilot taking off saw the MiG and was past it so quickly that he didn't have time to react. He didn't even know the aircraft type but he said he had the impression of a red star on the planes tail.
He called the tower as he was climbing out and said, "I think I just saw a MiG on the runway!"
Tower called him back and said, "You did, a M-G 25 just landed here."
That would have been a good viral debrief.
The plane taking off was a civilian airliner, a 727. He had planned to land at a military base but due to weather he couldn't find it. Running low on fuel he went for the first runway he saw once he realized he couldn't find the military field. Fighters had been dispatched once the mig was seen on radar but the fighters couldn't find him before he landed.
I am a surgeon. I agree 100% with your characterisation as weak and insecure the pilot who was yelling. As a junior trainee over 25 years ago, we used to have a "dinosaur" who yelled at his trainees and OR nurses whenever things weren't quite going well in surgery. One learns a lot from one's mentors. One thing I recall saying to myself when I worked with that guy was "... this is the kind of surgeon I never want to become...". Poor, poor, poor crew resource management 😡😡😡
Have you noticed any more or less of those screaming surgeons due to the 'God complex'? I'm curious if the social climate impacts that behavior. Early 2000s were all about Political Correctness and there was definitely an impact in Corp America, in your experience do you notice there are less screamers in those surgeons under 20yrs of experience? The theory would be tested if we see an increase in bad behavior when the next generation takes the leadership roles.
That's bad ass man, I have a lot of respect for surgeons. Not just because of the specific knowledge that you have of human anatomy but because of the ability to stay cool under pressure. I just commented about my favorite movie "The Right Stuff" because those guys that the movie is about always stayed cool under pressure. Their planes could be about to explode and they would still calmly, concisely and articulately transmit their status. Also I did communications in the US Army so I understand how important it is to remain calm in emergencies because you STILL need to be able to think and communicate clearly. I've been in situations where if you weren't clear; calm and concise, soldiers could have died. I never killed anyone during my time in the US Army but there are several people who are still alive only because I was able to stay calm while under pressure. I take pride in that fact.
BTW, Michael Crichton is my favorite writer. He was a doctor before he was a writer (wrote Jurassic Park). My favorite book of his is his autobiography and he talks about his years at Harvard Medical school. That book is called "Travels".
Its a great learning experience. Learn to be better! I've realized that the louder you yell the less people listen.
@@liquidbraino Wow! Thank you for sharing. Appreciated⭐️❤️💐🥂👍🏾🎉
As a long time nurse, I agree with you 100%. I like the new camaraderie between nurses and physicians, and the calmer, gentler teaching style I am observing with new fellows. More of my coworkers have taught me what I don’t want to be than what I wanted to be.
When I took my M/E, Instrument Commercial Ticket "Practical Test" (1995), the Examiner started "Literally screaming" at me while we were on MCA manuevers and Stall speeds and other, I kept my "cool" all the way until we Landed and ended the Test. The FAA examiner exited the a/c and left cursing and So On. While tying down the a/c my Instructor came to me, asking "what did I do to piss off Examiner."? I said "nothing", I kept my "cool" actitude thru out the examination and while he was "cursing" at me. We went back to the office, the examiner was at the desk with a "LongFace" and finishing paperwork. Everyone was there including the school owner...then the Examiner handed me my "temporary Commercial,/SE/ME/ instrument rated "Ticket", saying to me. Your Ticket should arrive in 30 to 60 days, by the way "You handle yourself like a Professional while I had you under "extreme pressure",....everyone started clapping and congratulating me for and outstanding performance. I felt like a Millionare then..!
So inspiring......Great job....
The most dangerous thing about a captain behaving in this way is that it can lead to creating a situation in which the FO is afraid to speak up or question something.
Just because you’re a captain, it does not mean you’re incapable of making mistakes, you need an FO that is happy to speak up if they feel something isn’t right. One may have authority, but at the end of the day, you are both flying and need to respect each other to work as a team.
And there was at least one case where an airliner crashed in part because the first officer was afraid of speaking up, as the captain had previously berated him (Korean Air Cargo Flight 8509).
Isn’t that what happened at Tenerife?
Exactly. That KLM captain wasn’t Mr. Congeniality.
It also happened with a KQ 507 flight, the captain was insulting the first officer, who was then afraid to speak up. All aboard perished. Mentor Pilot dissected it in detail, it was very unfortunate.
MISTAKES ??? Like yelling his commands over the frequency? Lol.
When doing my surgical residency, my chief of surgery always told us that the surgeons who scream, yell, have temper tantrums, etc. are the surgeons who are not confident in their own ability. The really good ones are able to take control of the room when necessary, are able to let the jr surgeon/resident/med student know they are doing something wrong without "dressing them down", and never let any situation get out of hand.
@John Smith previous RN here. I was crushed under a lowboy trailer 6 years ago. Flail L chest w/o lung puncture initially, multiple open compound fx of L hand. First Dr upon arrival to trauma unit was plastic guy for hand, I pissed him off right away when he tried to order ABGs. Told him "I'm breathing, lets wait for trauma Dr". He got snappy & treated me badly from there on. I don't have a problem challenging orders or firing Drs.who are jerks!
Family physician here and I think that is true in any specialty. When I was a resident, an attending had a temper tantrum in a conference room before bedside rounds, cursed at one of my peers. We residents all talked about it later and decided the attending was out of their comfort level with a very sick patient and snapped because of fear and lack of confidence.
Spot on!
Jiïlp
@@katiekane5247I’m sorry that happened to you, but the “plastics” guy was a “trauma “ guy first. You should know ABC’s. There’s a checklist in trauma. With a flail chest, ABG was very important. The plastic guy was doing the right thing.
Kelsey's facial expression is as informative as the verbal explanations, love it 😄
The stern-faced headshake is my favourite
I'm blessed to have a great instructor. He got me through private, instrument and now we're on commercial. Always calm when correcting. One IFR lesson we were in hard IMC on a missed approach to the hold and I was getting a little behind and flustered. He calmly said "ok, my controls. You take a few minutes and get oriented, your doing great, just let me know when you want them back." We landed in 400 overcast in oshkosh with a great day in the air. Flying IMC is hard enough, if he would have scolded me, I would have learned nothing.
That's wonderful. :-) I don't fly but this is why I preferred learning to drive from my dad, a flight instructor, than my mom, who wasn't. Yelling, "STOPSTOPSTOPSTOP" doesn't help...it just causes a potentially dangerous overcorrection.
@@nerysghemor5781 lmao I don't have a mom or dad but this was hilarious
You sound very frustrating to fly with based on the description you provided and the tone that come through your comment. I don't know if I would have the patience of your instructor.
I would have just said stop screaming or I quit!
This is a dumb comment lol.
I’m guessing that captain would NOT be popular to fly with. He desperately needs CRM training…. or sacking?
Yelling at an FO like that will only make things worse, much worse. He does indeed sound like a jerk.
(I’m a 30k hour retired pilot here, with way over half that in the left seat on various heavy Boeings.)
18:37 I've made this mistake before as a school bus driver. I was trying to call the terminal on the radio, but accidentally called myself.
lol same but instead of a hat it was a humbologus 🤣
oh I have absolutely called on the wrong radio multiple times haha
🤣 OMFG you made me laugh till I got a headache.
I also have made some radio transmissions while I was a fresh cadet out of the police academy that I am not proud of lol.
Did you answer your own call and then mock yourself relentlessly?
I'm not in aviation , but whenever I've seen someone scream "instructions" like that they were always people promoted beyond their competency.
The "screamer" needs to put back in the right side seat.
I definitely agree. In fact, I wonder whether this is SOP for the "screamer". If it is, perhaps he should be relieved of transporting passengers.
The one time I made a really bad mistake in flight school was when, you guessed it, I was flying with an instructor who was a screamer
Rough 😂😂
Sometimes it's surprisingly easy to just somewhat chuckle and say "Hey don't yell c'mon" and as many times as needed. Letting it go on raises the temperature for everyone.
Me to, I changed CFI's and the flight school fired the Screaming nervous CFI.
My instructor was pretty much the opposite, often not saying anything. I actually prefer flying with instructors who stick very close to the rules and want to do everything properly - even beyond the regs.
Learn from someone like that and even if you slip over time, chances are you'll still do things better than strictly necessary.
I never got my license - covid hit and I didn't want to fly with a mask, so I need to do my hours all over again. Old instructor seems to be gone now, so we'll see how it goes.
(I'm not saying he was a bad instructor, btw. I certainly learnt a lot from him. I just prefer the lawyer approach)
@@Yotanido Masks save lives. I'm wearing a mask right now commenting on this video while sitting alone on my sofa in my home. People like you are the reason we are still in this pandemic
Honestly, I have no idea how you guys make head nor tail of what the hell is being said. Everything is so quick and, to me , unintelligible 😱 You deserve every penny you earn.
With experience and practice, it becomes easier. It helps that you can expect certain instructions at certain times and that there's a standard lexicon, although not every pilot or controller follows it.
And, as a pilot or a controller, you have two very useful phrases at your disposal: "Say again" and "Speak slower."
As a non-native English speaker, it took some time. This is one of the reasons why we use (or should use) standard phraseology. Depending on the phase of flight, I already know 90% of what the controller will tell me, and that can be practiced at home listening to ATC radio. Like someone else already said, if I don't understand I'll will just ask to repeat. Nobody really had any problem with that, even when I fly around Chicago O'Hare or Indy international 😊
Yes, the radio is the main reason I would be afraid to be a new pilot. Huh? What? Where? Can u Repeat? Can u slow down? I’d be so frazzled, I’d forget how to fly the plane.
like anything it just takes some practice...
This is why as a controller I’ll change the way I speak on the radio depending on who I’m talking to. With the foreign and student pilots it’s always slow and by the book phraseology. With native English speaking professional pilots I’ll speed it up and be a little loose with the phraseology. It takes a good bit of time just to get used to understand things over the radio.
As a student pilot with about 30 hours, a go-around is still stressful even in a Cessna 172, and I can only speculate about how much harder it is in a large aircraft on instrument approach. Today I had my instructor with me to practice some navigation and we had the same situation that Kelsey described -- I saw the go-around coming well before it happened. We were number three to land, following another Cessna...but we had a tailwind (so we were ripping in at ten knots higher than normal) and it appeared that they were slower than us and headed for a full stop. My instructor made the go-around call before I did, but even expecting it I was halfway into adding throttle before I realized the carb heat was still on. Whoops. Hard to imagine having even more knobs to fiddle with!
We actually ended up aborting that go-around and proceeded to land after the Cessna ahead of us finally decided to do the "go" part of the touch and go. I'd never had a landing turn into a go-around and then back into a landing before, but instead of getting harsh, my instructor trusted me to manage the aircraft and stepped in to help where she could (namely radio calls). +1 for good instructors!
I was curious, did the plane landing ahead of you call the touch and go on final? Or did they sort waffle and let everyone know? I’m assuming this was in uncontrolled airspace since he wouldn’t be able to “make up his mind” on the fly like that. I’m sure you have lots of more hours yet and as I did, I’m sure it got a lot easier. I’ve done so many of every type of maneuver that it becomes second nature….but in my experience, that’s when you are at the greatest danger of overlooking something. So calm, deliberate action is wise….referencing the procedure checklist, otherwise you can have one of those moments in a plane like can sometimes happen when driving, you look in your vehicles rear view mirror and all of the cars are stopped at the light behind you and no one is around you anymore, and you have no idea if you went through a green a yellow or a red. That’s why Pilots should never go on mental autopilot…just aircraft 😂😊
I have zero clue about aviation but I love this channel and have a huge appreciation for pilots, etc.! This guy explains it in layman's terms...awesome!
Be careful now…it’s a worm…it works it’s way into your brain and like some ant controlling parasite, it drives you to want to get to higher and higher places. There is a reason they say “caught the aviation bug”, it’s contagious, expensive and a lot of fun and adventure and sometimes scary 😂
Back when I was training as a controller, it was exactly the same thing. The trainers who weren't as confident in their ability to "save" whatever situation a trainee gets into were prone to yelling. But the really seasoned controllers who had been controlling forever and knew they could fix anything, never once got rattled or loud.
I am amazed at how pilots can even decipher the garbled transmissions that come through bc seems like so much static. As for ATC making errors... scary for sure bc know with fog or visibility issues then pilots must trust ATC not making errors. I am not a pilot but am a passenger (6 to 8 flights a yr) and I have learned so much by watching MayDay videos and yours that explain everything in detail! Thank you!
It sounds static but it’s clear on our end, the transmission makes it sound mad;)
Pilots are required by law to rack up 2500 hours playing CS:GO with full russian teams in order to decipher messages through static.
@@JohnTCampbell1986 i remember back in the day when they used CS:S
Good stuff Kelsey. That Captain yelling, reminded me of my first jump seat ride (retired air traffic controller). The Capt seemed cranky from the get go and the F.O. was a young guy who was a little too lackadaisical. The F.O. forgot to write the departure frequency down when he got the ATIS, and when we departed and the Tower told us to contact departure, the F.O. had to ask the Tower the frequency. The captain yelled at him rather loudly. The F.E. and I just looked at each other and not a word was spoken the remainder of the flight. When we were landing, the captain was again yelling at the F.O. about him being too high on the visual approach and his speed as well. I couldn't wait to get off of that plane when it landed lol!
851K subscribers Kelsey! I subbed when you were just starting out. You've come such a long way in such a short space of time! All credit to you and your content sir!
well thanks for being on this long journey with me
Quick head count - 1.12 million subscribers and counting. Well done sir. Fantastic channel, especially for nervous fliers, like myself. It truly helps. Thank you, Kelsey.👍
Kelsey, great video. I laughed as you talked about flying with insecure, angry pilots. In my career as a pilot, I flew with too many of that type; I never understood why they stayed in a job where they were afraid all the time.
At the tower where I work we have a paper shredder with a sticker saying "insert control license here" for those situations.
Kelsey- I want to thank you so much for your informative videos! It's really helped my lowkey flight anxiety and made flying much more comfortable for me! The other day I was flying into AVL from a trip home during a really windy day and we had to do a go around due to bad wind. The pilots didn't come on to talk about the go around until a few minutes after we had aborted landing, since they were busy flying the plane, but I knew immediately what was going on thanks to your videos and it really helped calm my anxiety about the whole situation! I just kept remembering what you said about go arounds, that they're good things because it shows the pilots are putting the safety of the plane and the passengers first, and looking for the best possible landing conditions. It really helped calm my anxiety amid all the turbulence! Luckily we were able to land just fine the second time around, big kudos to our pilots for a job well done. Thanks again for all that you do, it's a world of help to nervous fliers like myself.
I’m a terrified flier and you’ve said it brilliantly!
That would be terrifying
I live in the same area, I was curious about your comment made three months ago… I looked back in my records and there was a day in late March that had a lot of big branches blown down and I wrote “wind is really roaring today”. Would hate to have been flying on that day!!
I’ve never flown but in the last few years I’ve developed a love of RUclips aviation. Your videos are calming and informative so it makes them fun to watch. This and the cockpit confessional series are my favorite 😂
Took my first flight last week and I highly recommend you get on a plane!
Have you flown yet Heather? Is it a fear of flying or do you mean you've never piloted an aircraft?
This may or may not apply to you but - Some people that have a fear of flying on a commercial flight actually take pilot lessons to overcome that fear. Of the top of my head I can think of the Scottish comedian Craig Ferguson as a famous example of this.
Either way, hope you're good 👍
Kelsey, your stories are great and you are a consistently credible presenter. Little wonder why I and thousands of others enjoy your videos. Your parents and teachers are justifiably proud. Well done.
I have a hard time imagining how you pilots do your thing for years upon years. My work is in production/warehousing. When I can get my crew to place stickers on boxes right-side-up, it's a good day. They make a lot of mistakes, but at least no one dies. Usually ;-)
@John Smith It sounds to me as though you're making assumptions regarding a field about which you know little to nothing. Fortunately, human beings come in all shapes, sizes, interests and capabilities. What's more, K9 stated that he works in "production/warehousing" which entails a wide range of job descriptions and requires a multitude of skills. I don't know how he feels about his job, but as someone who benefits from well-run production/warehousing systems, I appreciate the work that entails.
The best way to keep your mind from going numb is to always keep it open.
I'm just happy to be here. This makes my Sunday mornings every time!
Church. Kelsey. Tyler Zed. A perfect Sunday 😊👍🏻
It amazes me to think that it was only about a month ago you passed 747k subs and now you are over 847k so soon! You are a phenom Kelsey!!!
@@chucklebutt4470 - yeah, I can’t say. All I know is about a year ago, while watching a ‘The Flight Channel’ (TFC) video, this dorky looking guy was on my recommended list. I clicked on the link … and the dorky guy said he looked liked a “boiled owl” Damn…. I’ve loved hm ever since. Of course… that’s Kelsey. Now.. it’s 74 Gear, TFC and Mentour Pilot as my favorite RUclips channels. I’m not mentioning the other channels my wife or mom would object to….. like “Fun with Farm Animals”. Oops; bad typo somewhere ,,,, I’m most certain…. or declaring if necessary. I better stop.
I don't know about phenom but I am glad you enjoy the video Wyoming!
I worked with Doctors and interns. When I saw them doing something wrong I politely pulled them aside and told them how to correct it without the patient or anyone else knowing . I have had guardian angels nail me out too. So that respect can save lives. Thanks for bringing it out to people. There's always been a shortage of decency among senior employees to junior ones. I never practiced that, it does not help. Kindness is not weakness.
.it does not help .
@@sharoncassell5273 I find it very hard to believe somebody would dare to jeopardize their job and even think about telling a God Almighty Doctor what to do. Sorry… your comment does not sound realistic.
I just found your channel, and want to say a huge THANK YOU. My stepdad was a private pilot and CFI for both fixed wing and rotary. He put me in the left seat of his Cessna for the first time when I was 14 and started teaching me to fly. Some of my best memories of childhood involve flying in and out of airports all over the west coast, including HNL. He passed away over a decade ago now, and I miss the freedom of flying.
Sorry for your loss 🫶🏽
I am sorry for your loss but happy that you have sweet memories of flying with him and all that he taught you.
"Living with your little brother". Best line ever! Haha!
What caught me off-guard about the Amerijet conversation was that the pilot-flying was also apparently also communicating with the tower. Those were too different voices. Not sure if that was a check-ride or not, but the voice of the person "correcting" was clearly NOT flying the plane nor handling the comms. Either way it seems like really poor CRM.
Y'know, I listened to the start off this video at least 8 times, trying to reconcile what Kelsey was saying against what I was hearing, for the exact same reason. I finally gave up on that detail. The only thing I can figure is the captain/PM has a "radio voice" and a "talking voice," but that doesn't really fit.
Now I'm at 14:27 (the runway crossing bit,) after Kelsey has spent maybe 2 minutes explaining "line up and wait," and puzzling over _where_ I could have possibly _missed_ UA238 getting t/o clearance. This is not new material for me....
Maybe I'm just not destined for this channel....
I think the guy yelling is demanding his FO (the one with the calm voice) perform tasks for him while he performs the go-around.
@@77thTromboneI was having the same thought. I couldn't hear the t/o clearance for United. I found a video with full audio, where you hear ATC give t/o clearance. YT often deletes comments with links, so if you look up a channel called Dublin Aviation, the video is called "RUNWAY INCURSION- CLOSE CALL in Washington [ATC AUDIO]
I'll add another reply with link, in the hope it's not deleted....lol.
I only recently discovered your channel. I love it! Im not a pilot or even frequent flyer (pre covid times only flew 1-3 times a year), but I've ways loved planes. As a kid I loved that United had a channel where you could listen to the cockpit. It was literally my favorite part of an entire trip. The insights you give are really cool to learn. Thanks!
Many years ago I went to ground school to become a private pilot. Circumstances prevented my achieving my goal, but I remember a lot of what I learned and find your commentary and clips fascinating!!
Retired TWA pilot here and someone help me out with the United aborted takeoff towards the end of this video. I've listened to the communications multiple times now but I don't hear United being "cleared for take off". I hear them being cleared to "line up and wait". Used to be "taxi into position and hold" when I was still flying. Same thing and same meaning though, neither of which clears the aircraft for take off. "Cleared for take off" has not changed to "line up and wait" as far as I know.
Whatever has changed, "Wait" is the keyword here as far as I'm concerned. If you're told to wait, you're obviously not cleared for take off or at least I wouldn't accept it as a cleared for take off clearance. I believe "Cleared for take off" is still the official clearance language and an important one that can't be misinterpreted.
I'm not a pilot but at 11:10 of the video he did clear them for takr off just after he radioed the Waterski pilot.
I'm not a pilot, but recently discovered this channel. Absolutely love this guy. The clear explanations and the way he talks about treating people is refreshing. Much respect to you Kelsey.
Happened to me in a car, I got screamed at for a solid 20 minutes while navigating traffic in an unfamiliar country and at some point I realized I don't have the bandwidth to take the abuse, figure the route and drive safely. So I stopped on the shoulder, killed the engine and simply leaned back and lit a cigarette. Something you can't do on a plane of course. The bottom line is screaming makes everything so much harder.
Who was screaming at you?!
I've done the same thing ,successfully .
@@You.Tube.Sucks. My at the time soon to be ex.
my mind read your comment as : “ so i stopped on the shoulder , killed the passengers…”
@@trippplefivethat’s what my mind did too!
Kelsey. From one aviator to another: THANK YOU. It's great to be able to learn from your experiences,. It fastracks the learning of others. Much appreciated.
MD
"United, I'm going to need you to give me a phone number when you're ready."
I actually had to go back and listen again to hear the controller clear united for takeoff, so I can understand the regional losing it in the background.
I love this channel Kelsey, as a pilot myself, you’re perspective is so interesting to digest.
As an A n P mech, I'm thankful for the tattle tail system, especially the hard landing. These systems help me look for issues that might have happened. Safety first!
No matter how serious a situation is, (even if the person's got special training against it) suddenly screaming at someone & rattling them can sometimes cause the muscles in their body to instinctively seize up (fight/flight response), whereby in some cases their muscles might even retract towards their body. This issue gets worst in a stressful high-risk environment like flying a plane or operating any machinery or even involvement in any high-risk activity for that matter. I'm not a pilot, but I've read about plenty of accidents/disasters made even worse by the fact that someone had behaved aggressively and rattled another person. Point is, you should never suddenly scream or shout at someone, unless they're in a position of low risk to themselves & others.
That's not entirely true. In the military often a young Soldier becomes very frightened when the fighting starts, especially when mortar bombs and rockets are fired at him by the enemy. If he goes into fright-shock, we have to shout at him to bring him to back to his senses ( confidence in himself, his fellow Soldiers and his NCO or Officer.) otherwise he will be killed. This is why as a recruit, he is shouted at all the time, because it gets him to always focus on what is being said and to act directly according to the instruction, and not to be distracted by anything else. War is very, very frightening. Especially when you see a fellow Soldier killed right next to you, it scares the shit out of you and you can very easily panic. That's why Soldiers are taught not to question their leaders. Its not because they are training you to be a zombie, its because your Sargent will have been in battle before and knows exactly what to do. This is why the Military spends so much time training its leaders. When you are in a situation that suddenly spins out of control and becomes total chaos, that loud screaming voice can be very reassuring to hear. The civilian establishment, however, do not face mortal danger every day and so they train people differently. It might be that the pilot, concerned, was in the Air force and served Iraq and Afghanistan and treated the pilot like a novice. He could also have just been a prick as the are also many those in the military as well.....
@@davereid-daly2205 i feel like those are 2 different things tho
I wish one of the pilots would say " ATC, be prepared to take down a number "
Every video like this someone makes a similar comment, not realizing how stupid they sound, and how little they know about aviation. Congratulations Jacob, you win the dumb dumb award today.
These are my favorites. Newark is one of the craziest airspaces ever. We lived on one of the flight paths about 30 miles south. It is absolutely amazing the amount of aircraft going in and out of Newark. It is like a perfectly orchestrated line dance with no room for error. Kennedy and LaGuardia add another level of craziest to the entire situation.
No kidding, I’ve had this happen to me before. Overnight shift, just myself in the tower, with a Heavy doing pattern work and the IP was yelling commands at the trainee on freq every time they’d do a touch and go. His approaches looked unsteady and they had me so nervous I had my hand on the crash phone every time they came around.
As commercial driver, my trainer used to scream at me like this before I first seated. “Watch your speed, shift to a lower gear.” It only caused me to have anxiety when I first seated. Now that I’m an owner of my own company, my trucks will snitch the drivers out also. Speeding through a construction zone, hard breaking, following to close, and all kinds of other safety sensors. These are necessary in our industry. Sadly, serious injury or death can occur when these safety alerts go off and we ignore them.
You just implicitly compared those necessary safety sensors to an overreacting instructor who gave you needless anxiety. How much do they actually improve driver performance, and how much do they impede it? Do truck-snitching monitors do anything helpful against all the perverse incentives in the industry?
Did you see an incident reduction with having all those electronic nannies? From my understanding, there has been an increase in incidents since ELDs were required since dudes are racing the clock to get parked before they run out of hours.
@@motarded4214 Where i live accidents due to fatigue have reduced since introduction of elog. It has had an unintended effect of driving some of the old dogs out of the business, which contributes to a shortage of drivers and an overall increase in accidents. Interesting issue for sure.
@@RK-zh5vj so, you're saying that the the increase in accidents is a result of a shortage of drivers? I say BS. I've been hearing of driver's shortage the past 18 years and after being a driver myself all that time, I must conclude there is no shortage of drivers. There are too many trucks and not so nice employers out there that want warm bodies to steer those trucks and say YES to any bad job they get. My 2 cents is that indeed many accidents now are caused by drivers who are trying to beat the clock.
@@sachadee.6104 Where i live you cant find any drivers. I have 2 companies and work for another and none of us get many applications when we post jobs. Its a combination of a lot of issues though.
Kelsey, I have learned alot about aviation from your videos and less stressed about flying. Thanks!
That reminds me of 40 years ago when my dad was teaching me to drive.
Your dad shouted "Gear up!" and "Too low"? What the heck were you trying to learn how to drive on?
@@jackielinde7568 delorean dmc-12
@@weseethehypeoutside I bow to you. ;)
In my case it was only 10 years ago, but yeah. Needless to say, I hate driving now. Never had an accident though, so that's good.
@Victor Basta same here only it was my mom 45 years ago. It was never a comfortable experience
Your videos keep me inspired to follow aviation as either a career or just a hobby. Keep it up!
Thank God for most of the pilots paying attention. Things can go wrong in a hurry!
Jeez, it always amazes me that pilots & tower ever understand anything the other says; they just gabble over poor comms equipment at top speed. Even with subtitles it's hard to correlate what they say with what's printed below.
You get used to it, through training and experience.
Ever hear how fast blind people have their phone narration on? It's ridiculous.
@@svyt I guess so.
@@electricheartpony Good point!
I am totally addicted to this channel now! Great stuff. Thank you so much for all this content!
Things can definitely happen unexpectedly and you have to keep your wits about you. About twenty years ago I was a passenger on SWA coming into ORD and had to do a go around because AA decided they wanted to take off from where we were set to land. Quick and decisive action saved us from flying to the scene of a crash.
The Pilot who shouted in this Vid, was 99% the captain, as an F/o would NEVER shout at the Captain
CRM is the key, and it wasnt happening here !
Funny, why was that on air? I feel this was a controller.
@@tabaks Captain most likely keyed in his mic and didn't realize it.
I do love my Sunday mornings with you Kelsey! Thank you so much for doing what you do! ❤️
glad you find them entertaining Nikki
@@74gear p.s u r 2 cute
I didn't know I'd be so interested in what is like to fly! I'm fascinated. You're great at explaining how it works. Great job! Keep em coming!
Love you Mr. 74 Gear!! So straighforward. Thank you.
OCD on being the best pilot. Hope I fly with you one day. Cheers from Canada :)
Thanks for explaining so much of this that we non pilots don't know. You're making me want to pick the brain of my atc retired friend.
I totally argree with you. Voldemort is the best
Did a great job describing all the reasons a pilot might be a dragon pilot. Then again, that’s the kind of attention to detail one would expect from a pilot.
Kelsey we live on the SE approach to EWR where he aircraft should be at 10000" and slowing down. Thanks to the folks that I follow, I now sit on our deck in nice WX and grade their approached using Flight 24. It helps that I was a private pilot and retired USN/USF aircrewman. Please keep up the great work as I love the videos.
Love your commentary, always spot on! Well done Kelsey!
Imagine you spending most of your life locked up in a small space with a random (sometimes rude) stranger. No thanks.
The good thing is that it's not the same stranger every day, so there's always hope that tomorrow will be more pleasant.
By far worst part of the job is playing captain roulette.
Imagine working on a ship. Your boss lives a few doors down, and you are all stuck living together with no escape for months.
The cabin isn't so bad
You’re right. Sometimes the corporate culture of an airline can encourage the ‘random sometimes rude stranger’ on the flight deck. My husband, the captain of a 747, died shortly after a particularly harsh ‘rude stranger’ flight. Medics agreed that the stresses put on him were overwhelming; the airline thought not. The police are keeping the file open in the meantime.
@John Smith a week, holy shnikies
I will always remember when my father, rest his soul, would say; "you need to have eyes all around your head when driving a car" I've always kept that in mind. Then I read a book where it talked about pilots, particularly military pilots needing to have their heads on a swivel. I think if I was sitting at the controls of an aircraft I would be all eyes and ears, watching and listening to EVERYTHING ! It only takes one small missed thing that snowballs into a series of cascading events leading to an accident that could have been avoided. I don't ever want to be the contributor to an accident. Thanks for the videos Kelsey, and keep her flying straight and level! 👍😉
My dad's advice on driving was always "Imagine that everyone else on the road is always about to do the stupidest thing you can imagine" and it made me very careful.
@@cliffordcrimson7124
Yes! My father would also say "watch out for the other guy, anticipate what he's going to do" "watch out for the other guy" was a national public service announcement during the mid & late 60s remember? ✌
Thanks for the really great video. It's one thing to hear instructions from ATC at a busy airport, but quite another to see it diagrammed out while hearing those same instructions. Makes me wonder if
a/c mfgrs are considering providing that info as an audio/visual on ground display.
Good one, Kelsey!! Wow on the 2nd situation with United 326!! That could've been ugly!! Thank goodness it wasn't. The last one was a hoot!! LOL!! Thanks for the great videos, Kelsey!! God keep you safe in the skies!! 💕✈✈💕🙏🙏
Thx for the vids it’s great you get to fly the 747 and still find the time to make great content thx
Awesome video, Kelsey 😂😂 I love some of these ATC people so much. But hey, I saw an article today for a British "pilot" that falsified flight hours and endorsements. He was caught because he "pushed a button that no qualified pilot ever would". I need to know what he pushed lmao and I need more info!! Can you cover this story next? Thanks for sharing, as always (:
I second this. I read through the article a few times to make sure that I didn’t miss it, but it never mentions the button. I would love if Kelsey covered this and told us what that button was.
@@AxelWolfeCT I'm convinced that he will know off the top of his head lol. There can't be THAT many buttons that are off limits 😂 if not, then it's time for some investigatory videography lmao
@@pattmahiney Agreed, lol 😂
I would guess the "pushed a button no pilot would ever do" is probably more "reporter gussying up the language to make the story more exciting." If the manufacturer put a button, switch, knob, or some other control in the cockpit, there's an intended use case for that button.
What I suspect happened was the "pilot in question" did was do things out of procedure. Remember, these pilots are trained to follow certain procedures in specific scenarios to the point of rote memorization. It was probably one of these rote memorization lists that the subject of the article messed up. But, "He pressed a button that no trained pilot would ever press" sounds a lot more engaging than, "He was not following a common procedure all pilots were trained on."
As far as what procedure this guy goofed? Don't know. Would depends on aircraft, the situation the plane was in at the time, airline/manufacturer/aviation authority established practices, etc.
But there are no controls in the cockpit that no trained pilot would never press. If they're there, they have a function and a reason for being there.
@@jackielinde7568 That makes sense. That’s most likely the cause. The guy didn’t follow the right procedures and the other pilot with him noticed and said something about it. The airline then launched an investigation (most likely because what he did caused a major delay, maybe?) and that’s when they discovered that he had faked a lot of his credentials.
" Won't rip off and end up as a lawn ornament " 😂😂 I love it
Thank you for interesting and informative clips. Knowing nothing about aviation I hooked; I do like the amusing edits, do keep going. Patrick, uk.
You do an incredible job of explaining things such as why plane have to wait before crossing a runway. I used to dread flying. Thanks to you I look forward to it. Great videos.
Don't watch Mentour Pilot's channel if you're afraid of flying. Petter can say he's trying to relax nervous flyers as much as he wants, but when most of your content is about tragic crashes..... well, 74Gear is a nice change. Love Petter -- prob my favorite RUclipsr (sorry, Kelsey) -- but damn Petter has managed to make a completely non-nervous flyer into a nervous flyer. Actually, I was never nervous until I had my first child on a plane when he was a baby. Haven't flown since I've been watching Petter's channel, so I really don't know whether I'm actually a nervous flyer..... but I suggest watching it only in small doses (if you do watch it) given that you absolutely used to be a nervous flyer. Glad Kelsey has helped you!
"Gear up!"
"Watch your speed!"
"DO A BARREL ROLL!!!!"
I came looking for this comment. I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking it.
Hi, Kelsey. Thank you for your excellent content.
I'm just getting started on my aviation journey and I like your channel.
I literally just read this story today and was hoping you would cover it. You're the best! On nm, different story still. I read about a pilot exposed for falsifying records I think in the UK who was exposed according to the article "because he pushed a button no pilot would ever push" I'd like to see your opinion on that if you can find the story
Confession time:
As a backseater/specialized navigator/GIB in the military we were landing in Guam. Guam's runway slopes upward when landing from the south, so the runway can kinda "come up to meet you" and make for what can charitably called a "firm touchdown". While doing touch & goes, our pilot came up on final and landed pretty hard. After we took off and cleaned up the plane for a different approach, I keyed up the airplane's interphone:
Me: Geez , was that a landing or were we shot down?
The next thing I heard made my face flush
Tower: Say again for tower
Turns out I had my interphone in the "radio" mode and, instead of a lighthearted jab at a buddy, I accidentally broadcast to everyone what I thought of my pilot's last landing. Oops
oooh yikes. Did you get into trouble?
@@user-is7xs1mr9y I wonder too
@@user-is7xs1mr9y i doubt it as it can be expressed as friendly banter
Just got this in my algorithm.
Great video.
Great talk.
Super interesting.
I had a habit of briefing a go-around during every approach. Keep it fresh.
We should look both ways when going through regulated intersections down here on earth too. Complacency has killed lots of people.
Aww, c'mon, Rick....How can you expect me to look at my phone AND pay attention to what other drivers are doing? Sheeesh!!
As the "little brother" to 5 other siblings, I resemble that comment. My Mom always telling my Dad....take itsnotme07 with you....no I never snitched...but I think it was the idea that I could. HA!
When I was getting my PPL there was a DPEI was thinking of going with near my airport. But my CFI STRONGLY recommended that I avoided him because he acts exactly like the pilot in the video. Super unhelpful, screaming at the student during the checkride etc. One time a student who took him said how he was looking at a checklist for an emergency landing, and the examiner smacked it out of his hands and started screaming at him (for non-pilots, looking at your checklist in-flight, and especially during an emergency, is something you should ALWAYS do) I ended up not taking him for my checkride and I'm glad I didn't.
6 months later his DPE privileges were revoked because of his behavior.
KARMA baby....!!!!!
Thanks Kelsey, great videos and commentary!
I love it, the plane will tell on you but not on itself 🤣
Thank you for uploading every Sunday even with your tight schedule (tips hat🎩)
exellent video kelsey. keep the good content flowing
thanks for these videos, priceless, ATC and pilots, communicating , understanding, comprehending, all in a matter of seconds, wow
I just quit flight training after 60 hours, made the mistake of going for the sport license thinking it would be cheaper, what I did not realize is that learning on an old taildragger was going to be way harder, so even if cheaper by the hour would take longer. The instructor yelling at me like this when I was efin it up did not help. I did get to solo, landed on my own and did a solo cross country, so I did achieve part of my dream. But eventually realized that it was too much stress, and spending all this money for something I wan't enjoying anymore wasn't worth it for someone at my income level, time to find a cheaper hobby.
Don't pilots have a "I don't want to fly with that guy" list that the schedulers try to go by?
I fly so very rarely and have never been on a 747 but if that day ever comes, I really hope you’re behind the wheel. Nothing to do with your piloting skills,.....I just want to be able to high 5 you on my way off! Stay awesome K!!
That’s what team work looks like everyone looking out for everyone
Reminds me of my dad trying to teach me to drive a 5 speed clutch.. ended up teaching myself lol
@@landonmcmeekin5624 It was a 1986 Ford Escort.. I was in Duluth, mn so I had to learn on hills also.. my first 4 cars were manual..
I’ve never been in a cockpit and all my “knowledge” comes from your videos. So when I heard the last pilot talking to the tower I started laughing even before they replied “you called me sir”. Lol! I guess I really have been paying attention to what you say!! ✈️
I agree with you completely - the Captain in that first clip was completely unprofessional. As for the second clip, you & I both know that kind of mistake happens a lot more than most non-pilots would think. This was the first of your videos I’ve seen. I just subscribed. Thanks!
From the title, I thought this was going to be about the BA pilot who faked his experience, and was exposed when he "hit a switch on the runway that no qualified pilot would ever touch."
what was the switch btw? only read an article that didn't say so I'm assuming it was "Explosive Self-Destruct" or some shit.
@@Fay7666 I haven't seen any article that revealed exactly what he did. Arming the spoilers? Trying to set a waypoint? Selecting Go Around mode? No idea.
5:54 this is so true, and honestly like it may be tedious to do a flap over speed inspection at the hangar but it also helps us in maintenance figure out the conditions and probable causes in Troubleshooting slat/flap speed faults
i love the crazy traffic and how atc deals with the confusion
I always give your videos a like before watching. Just because I'm happy there is a new video. It's 4pm, I'm at work, so have to wait another 5 hours to watch this.
Excellent informative video! Very well done!
Is ATC using any type of specialized software to keep clearances straight, or just functioning with memory and a pen & paper?
Railroad dispatchers use software for mandatory directives for higher risk movements. Didn't know if ATC used something similar
Sometimes "visual aides" are used to keep track of what we have done and what we still need to do. Sometimes its memory. Not sure about this specific situation. It often varies from one ATC facility to another, and even one controller to another.
Some airports also have ground radar to help them track flights on the ground but not all!
Great video, kelsey. The last clip reminded me of Adam Sandler movie where the old man on the witness stand says to the attorney "no more questions ", lol 😆
That is absolutely correct. Sometimes in the heat of the moment with anything you can forget that not everyone has the experience or knowledge of whatever task is at hand and something that seems like common knowledge to you really isn't, you have just been doing it for so long that it engrained into your mind. Some will belittle people because they are just jerks and some get angry because it seems so obvious, I have been guilty of the later, you have to check yourself and figure out the best way to convey the task at hand, which takes some people skills that not all of us have.
I've personally done some flying with the Air Cadets here in the UK. My flight mentor [(still remember his name to this day, (Richard Welbelove)] was a very softly spoken and calm pilot. That was until you started getting a bit cockey and doing something that wasn't QUITE textbook but was still safe. He would raise his voice ever so slightly until such time that the process was in danger of causing safety issues or was critically wrong. Then he would say, 'I have control', then the student repeats, 'you have control'.
It taught us that if you do as instructed, think a process through before actioning it and learn from your mistakes, you can't go far wrong.
I never experienced an instructor so patient and keen to teach not just flying and piloting skills but life lessons.
I learned 4 years after leaving the ATC that Richard had passed away from a stroke that had been undiagnosed, and I'm forever grateful for his life lessons and flying tuition.
Same with driving, look both ways before crossing an intersection, even if you've got a green light! Never know who might be going through their red light.
That's why people who cross red lights are so dangerous. You shouldn't need to look both ways, but as you say, you never know. You should not need t look both ways.
Amen. I've said this to adults who have driven for years and they look at me like I had 2 heads. Also need to glance at their rearview mirror from time to time. Be aware of everything going on around you.
@@angiegibson7601 i remember a video about a guy in north korea that almost died after a bus hit him because the brakes broke. Buses aare dangerous.
@@palomaelegante Yes, never assume!