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John those IRs are so good; I loaded up my MLC S_Zero 100 amp sim and was just playing for awhile, thinking how good it sounded, looked at the cabinet section and there was your LCFR IRs, already loaded from the last time I played and had forgotten to switch back my default IRs. The ears don't lie, man. Thanks for creating them!
My new go to IR is a mix of your LCFR and V30 IRs (with slight phase correction) - I love it! Btw did some more IR experimental mixes off your free IR stuff and did get some really great results. LCFR with Redback does sound cool too. Thanks again.
I feel like the V30 really does have something special, but it's only in the mids. The highs were always fizzy and "closed" sounding. The Lichtlaern sounds like the "V30 but fixed" thing that everyone dreams of. The HESU Demon is another one of those.
Great job as always, John! You should have at least 10x the subscribers you do now. I like this speaker. It seems that the majority of V30 alternatives all focus on smoothing out the upper mid hump and by doing so end up sharing a similar, softer attack. I wonder how the Lichtlaerm (Warehouse, Mojotone, etc.) cut through after they break in themselves. As much as I've moved away from the V30, it's still a necessary evil outside the bedroom, though I have regulated them to the bottom of my 4x12's and vertical 2x12's (mixed with a variety of other speakers on top). Thanks for sharing your hard work with us!
Next test Fane F70 vs LCFR-150! Would love to hear that. I have the F70 mixed in with v30's in a stereo cab and they sound great together and by themselves.
Definitely wasn't prepared for that first statement :D Speaker sounds great, though I preferred the first mic setup Thanks for another great installment! I'm already curious for the full Lichtlaerm Audio setup!
Great comparison, as usual!!! A lot of effort and thoughts put into these videos. I played the IRs a bit and to me, the LCFR-150 sounds very 90s metal-like. There is a certain grittiness and nastiness in the mids, that i like. It also reacts quick to palm muting over my Diezel VH4. I like it a lot and am curios about the price tag. I would like to see a shootout againt the Eminence Governor, which i also like, in the IRs at least. ;-)
I really appreciate your tests and videos. This new speaker sounds awesome. Much wider, more balanced, and bigger sounding than the V30. Although the V30 in the sweet spot sounds more mix ready. I found than my Fryette P50Es needed some EQ to tame the top end to really shine, so I think these Fane/Lichtlærm speakers will really show their worth after some post EQ for a mix. Again, thanks for all the effort you go to to share this information with us. It's not lost on me.
Wow, there or real are some solid speakers, that sound way better than the V30, LCFR is one of the in my opinion. Awesome speaker! And great Demo as always.
The LCFR-150 sounds great. Not aggressive as the V30, a noticably less fizzy in the highs, but maybe overall a more pleasing sound? I still think I prefer the aggression of the V30, but there's also a reason why I'm gravitating more and more towards pairing it with other speakers, like the Creamback G12H-75. I'm getting old, John. That's the reason. There's no other excuse. I look forward to messing around with the IRs you provided.
Wow this thing sounds awesome. I was already planning on ordering the Prometheus. And I am getting another cab made probably by KSR. This speaker sounds nicer than the Redback, v30 or H75.
You said the center is the sweet spot but when you moved it to the edge of the dust cap it made the V30 sound harsh and brittle. This thing sounds excellent! Thanks for the great video!
Cheers, buddy! That's the tricky bit about tone tests for me. There are no absolutes, just relatives. Moving targets. My favoutite V30 was my baseline and based on that I liked the center of the LCFR best but the reference position still sounded great to me too. Regardless, I am happy you liked the speaker and the video
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Sounds great! Fane makes some of the best speakers out there for metal (even though not many use them) so I'm not really surprised over how good these sound.
I'm getting my amp from them today, and pre-ordered the cab. I have a 4x12 with V30s to go with my Mesa amp, so really wanted some variety for one thing, and getting a matching cab to go with the new amp is hard to pass up. Gonna have to wait another month or so on the cab, but I'm excited. Sounded great in this demo, more balanced than the V30 which can definitely get a little shrill at times. I also thought on the clean channel it sounded much more to my taste, I've always had trouble getting my kind of clean tone through my V30 cab.
This actually sounds really nice, I haven’t loved most of the other competitor speakers that people put up against the V30 but this one in my opinion actually holds it own strongly
Great job as always, I really liked this one, and I'm with you that it's hard to beat a good V30, but this is a welcome rival and addition, could make for some great blends too. Excited to try your IRs!
Reminds me of sort of an oldschool 70's Blackbacks, with a tighter low end/low mids, and a bit more highs after 12khz. Pretty sweet though! Didn't he say they were actually based on some old Hiwatt speakers?
Your channel is a absolute gem! Love it! Maybe you could check out the Jensen Raptor 100W at some point? There are no good videos out there, unfortunately :(
Sounds great!! Finally a speaker I'm excited for! Sounds a bit different but in a much better way than a "holy grail" v30, imagine against the crappy ones from the last 20 years 😂😂
@@lichtlaermaudio I'm a big fan of your pedals btw, and I'm very curious to see and hear your new amplifier. I don't know if you have plans of making a lunchbox amp in the 15-25 watt range, but I'd be VERY interested in that ;)
Interesting. It made the v30 sound like most greenbacks do in comparison. Muffled and harsh. Yet at other parts the v30 was like having an equalizer board boosted in lows mids and highs that you could bring down at anytime to get the same sound as the other speaker.
Next speaker is the DV77, then the Fane F70s but I probably want to do a pedal and an amp video between those two so it might be another month, month and a half. Sorry, I'm putting these out as fast as I can 😂
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne no worries, and no rush! I know I'm getting some new Fanes to try out, just want to know how many! Haha I really like their old speakers, they don't break up in the same way as celestions and, as a result, metal tones sound cleaner, less fizzy. 122/190s for clean (especially mixed with g12/50s) through an el84 amp and the 122142+122234 mixed together for metal through a 6l6 monster (I find those older speakers really sound best when you mix the bass and guitar speakers together). Curious how the new offerings sound as I haven't listened to Fanes newer than the mid 70s. Wondering if they've voiced them to be V30s alts/clones and if they still have that old fane clarity to them
Look Ma - No Tone control ! Great focus John , so I won't have to ! V - 30, much more midrange focused, LCFR , very much in the Electro voice Zone ! I prefer the V 30 in the two by 12.
That's a tough question. I have not tried this and a K100 in the same cab yet but I might. The K100 is another favourite of mine. Off the top of my head, I would say that the LCFR is more balanced sounding and easier to mic up.
Man, that would be awesome. I'm digging Fane speakers, I got an F70 and fell in love with it. This speaker sounds a little similar as far as I can tell. Keep up the great work, I love this shit🤘🏻
@@fattony6-string929 Thanks man! I appreciate it. I also have a few F70s here that, funnily enough, I bought from Daniel at Lichtlaerm. I plan to test those after the DV77 which is up next.
I don’t have a good monitoring environment for final judgement, but this speaker kind of sounds like a T75 if it didn’t suck and was way more musical. Bit broader in the harmonics, and less focused than the V30. I feel like this could make it more open to tone sculpting, which means it fits the amp it was designed for as it’s a bit of a tweaker’s amp.
Had to watch it on my phone 4 hours ago. So here I am again after listening to it on my monitors. Sounds really great. Smooth but not dull at all. That's awesome. Do you know what kind of magnet it has? 150 Watt but lighter than a V30 is interesting. Thought of getting a pair of these to put them in x pattern in my main live cab (an Engl Pro 4x12") but was afraid it would be a bit much since it's already my most heavy cab :D
I'd be curious to see if they come out with a 16 ohm version of the LCFR-150. My current speakers are all 16 ohm, so it would be easier for me to swipe it out, one for one. So far, it's a pretty sounding speaker, but man, I do love me some vintage 30s.
We’re checking comment sections for demand all the time 😊 there’s a MOQ of 300pcs per impedance so we need to see if there’s enough demand and we’ll definitely do it!
Yeah, I figured that it's spec'd for what you needed it to do. No clue how popular 16 ohm speakers are in the community at large. Regardless, it's pretty cool that you developed a new speaker for your amp.
Wow, that is a GOOD sounding speaker. I'm trying really hard not to buy any more speakers because I'm sort of drowning in them, but this has made it significantly harder to stick with that :)
The Demon is far brighter than the LCFR and seems a lot closer to the V30 to me in design. Given their different characters, I'd say they'd blend well together in a cab. I may have to do that test
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne That would be very interestig! I want to be audible and as clear as possible in studio/live situations as I already play death metal with lots of gain on drop B/A. This speakers seem like a good option for it 🤘
I run my 5150 50 watt into a 4x12 that is actually a line 6 cheapo and it sounds great! I didn’t compare it to one of the evh cabs made for it or anything else so maybe it can sound better?!
I dunno dude. If it sounds great to you, then why fix what isn't broken? If it's not one of the V30 loaded Line 6 cabs, you could try and get one of the more affordable/sleeper V30 cabs like Crates, Line6s, Hughes & Kettnes, etc.
It sounds great and full but there's also something I hate in the 5-6khz region.. that fizz up there.. the V30 sounds narrower... while the LCFR sounds broader with extended body but also top end.. but that's nothing a bit of EQ cant take care of...
The LCFR has a lot of 7-10k content which adds a lot fizz, where the V30 has a steep rolloff from like 5-6k. The LCFR also has less 2.5-6k than the V30 so it has less cut in a mix. So basically these two speakers seem to have the complete opposite high end from each other. I would personally not use the LCFR on its own. Either go for a mix with the V30 or go with the V30 on its own
That's a song I wrote for my band at the time that had the working title "13 Nipples". I give the most ridiculous working titles I can think of as I tend to remember the songs better that way and around the time of writing this I had heard that Opossums have 13 nipples.
@@lichtlaermaudio would you be able to post the thiele-small parameters of the speaker, please? At least the more basic info like sensitivity, etc. At least the sensitivity, which is important to know when mixing speakers, so how close is LCFR to the v30 sensitivity? Appreciated!!
@@JohnWikuthey're posted on the product page! Just noticed I had the font color set to black which is not the best choice on a black background :D changed that now! Here's also the full T/S-Parameter & spec-list: Nominal Chassis Diameter: 12” Impedance. 8 Ω Power rating: 150W Frequency Range: 55hz-5khz Sensitivity: 99.43dB Magnet Weight: 1.1kg Voice Coil Material: Copper Magnet Material: Ceramic Chassis Material: Steel Cone Material: Paper Connectors: Solder Tabs Cut-Out Diameter: 286mm Nett Weight: 4.3kg / 9.47lb Thiele Small Parameters: FS: 65hz Re: 6.8 Ω Qms: 7.6 Qes: 0.451 Qts: 0.426 Vas: 92l Vd: 0.224l Sd: 297.2 cm² Cms: 0.262 mm/N BL: 12 T/m Mms: 23g Xmax: 4.5mm Efficiency: 5.352%
I might have to get or build a propper over sized 1x12 for that type of test. the cone of the disconnected speaker still flaps around. I'm afraid that impacts the response in a disadvantageous way
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne If it's a stereo cab you can short the other speaker with a shorted plug in the other speaker input, that way making it not vibrating. I've done it a couple of times and it makes a difference. But be careful not to use excess volume, maybe could damage the cone paper, never happened to me though.
This is a very well done comparison of the two speakers, thank you! The LCFR sounds awesome here! Really looking forward to the comparison between the F70 and LCFR as my Bogner cab currently has a mix of V30/F70 and I might be looking to change that to a V30/LCFR mix instead... Then again I might just go full retard and get a Lichtlaerm 4x12 loaded with the LCFRs if the price with shipping in EU isn't too bad 😅
I like how this company has flavor to it. All of its products could sound like a dog in a blender but just visual makes you want to try almost everything.
wow, Really nice speaker, seems to have a bit of T-75 vibe which a like, on first samples sounded far better than Celestion, but with room mic, to my surprise, I liked both(BTW OC818 is amazing, I use to have two of them, I remember that Royer R121+ OC818 sounded really nice together. Fane produces some great stuff, this speaker is very similar to ideal metal sound that I have in my head.., reminded me governor a bit, maybe less raw and more refined and precise than Eminence(kinda like different types of beef stake: Rare(Governor) Medium (LCFR) Over cooked(V30). the fact that it handles 150 watt, and lightweight, is really impressive. I think Celestion V type has similar vibe and also lightweight. I can clearly see why you like it. BTW what's up with that FL cab behind you? Did you buy Diezel cab or it's ENGL? Edit. I really like speaker, went back and compared it to your governor video. Like them both equally, I guess depending on amp, cleaner refined amp+cab(Diezel , Mesa Mark Fryette) I would prefer Governor, for more dirty amps like Marshall, Bogner Ubershall I would prefer cleaner LCFR, for Rectifier and 5150, I guess classic combination of Mesa cab with V30
Cheers Daniel! Thanks for the comment. I think I need a different cab for room samples. The fact that there is a second speaker in there, even when electrically disconnected won't benefit the sound. It's cone is moved back and forth by the internal pressure of the cab. The cab behind me is my Engl 412 XXL. The heaviest thing I own that isn't a cab. Would love to own a Diezel 4x12 at some point but I'm running out of space and those Lichtlaerm cabs look amazing
It’s honestly an entirely different design: Fane suggested the F70 at first and while its a great speaker it just wasn’t what we were looking for - I actually sold the sample F70 to John so there’s a chance of hearing them compared at some point 😊
@@lichtlaermaudio I want to hear that comparison because I have a F70 that I LOVE in my cab paired with a Swamp Thang, but I'm kinda tired of the Swamp Thang and am looking for a good pairing for it.
Sounds sick. I've become more interested in Fane and Laney speakers for a more unique sound. This is definitely it's own thing. Next speakers: the Hypocrite and Dick Move...
are you a native german speaker? because of the way you pronounce lichtlärm. anyways, i wonder how the LCFR would sound in a front loaded 4x12 cab x-pattern with 2 Celestion K100 speakers. daniel told me in a answer to a comment that he dislikes frontloaded cabs, despite that i think this speaker might be good for front loaded.
Almost. I've been speaking German since I was a child, so close enough. I have no doubts this speaker would do well in a frontloaded cab too. I may chuck it in my Engl 4x12 to hear for myself. Recently though, I am liking rear loaded cabs more than front loaded ones too
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne oh that's cool, i grew up bilingual too, and learned english later in school. i'd like to use th speaker in my front loaded Diezel cab, but i also have 2 rear loaded marshall cabs, an angled one with v30s, i don't know the manufacturing date of, and a straight one with T75s from 1983. might be interesting either cross pattern in the diezel with the K100s or in the angled marshall with the v30s.
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne oh sure, the lichtern is good, no denying that. And depending on the setup and mix could be better. Just saying my initial thoughts. I do think they are going to sell a good amount of these!
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John those IRs are so good; I loaded up my MLC S_Zero 100 amp sim and was just playing for awhile, thinking how good it sounded, looked at the cabinet section and there was your LCFR IRs, already loaded from the last time I played and had forgotten to switch back my default IRs. The ears don't lie, man. Thanks for creating them!
Thanks, man! I'm stoked you like it! Ngl, it's become my go to IR. Daniel/Lichtlaerm and Fane did an outstanding job on this speaker
I usually blend the LCFR sweet spot and LCFR in-between as my go-to.
This is gonna be a match made in heaven for an X pattern cab with V30 and LCFR 150s, again a great product from Daniel. Thx for the IRs John.
99.8% sure that I'll be doing just that in my 1960TV
A mix with greenbacks would be also nice I think@@TheOtherJohnBrowne
This is exactly my plan. I have 2 LCFRs on the way and currently shopping for some V30s.
My new go to IR is a mix of your LCFR and V30 IRs (with slight phase correction) - I love it! Btw did some more IR experimental mixes off your free IR stuff and did get some really great results. LCFR with Redback does sound cool too. Thanks again.
Thanks for letting me know! Made my day
these IRs are exactly what i've been looking for holy shit John, they're amazing
I am DELIGHTED you like them
Great comparison video! And the IRs are fantastic - holy shit! Simple setup with one SM57, but sounding perfect. Thank you so much for sharing them!!
@@luxintenebris6614 my pleasure
I feel like the V30 really does have something special, but it's only in the mids. The highs were always fizzy and "closed" sounding. The Lichtlaern sounds like the "V30 but fixed" thing that everyone dreams of. The HESU Demon is another one of those.
Warehouse Guitar Speakers Veteran30 is another option for a V30 with a smoother profile.
Just a few minutes in, just commenting already to sa how much I appreciate you doing these awesome videos!
Cheers, buddy! I appreciate YOU
Wow! Sounds great. The blend between the two was great! Nicely done!
Thank you!
thank you for the ir files!
Awesome! Great video, great speakers!
Wow this ist the ideal content for a serious guitar player! Great :D
Great job as always, John! You should have at least 10x the subscribers you do now. I like this speaker. It seems that the majority of V30 alternatives all focus on smoothing out the upper mid hump and by doing so end up sharing a similar, softer attack. I wonder how the Lichtlaerm (Warehouse, Mojotone, etc.) cut through after they break in themselves. As much as I've moved away from the V30, it's still a necessary evil outside the bedroom, though I have regulated them to the bottom of my 4x12's and vertical 2x12's (mixed with a variety of other speakers on top). Thanks for sharing your hard work with us!
Thanks! I appreciate your kind words! Yeah, I'll find out how this speakers sound will develope over time because I really dig it
Great sounding speaker! Seems like it’s the right kind of EQ curve to make use of the Lichtlaerm “cut” control that’s on almost all of their pedals.
It’s definitely designed to complement our vision of tone 🙏
Hey, John🖐Tanx for this review. Really good sounding speaker. Let`s check the IRs))
Next test Fane F70 vs LCFR-150! Would love to hear that. I have the F70 mixed in with v30's in a stereo cab and they sound great together and by themselves.
Fane F70 is probably my favorite speaker.
@@Eliphas_Elric also one of mine!
This one sounds killer I love it. May have to get one to put in my 1x12 just so I can run whatever amp I want into it
Thanks for these awesome IR's. I look forward to creating with them.
I'm stoked you like them
Dude thank you so much for these videos and thank you for the irs
Interested to hear this compared to my modern favorite speaker being the Omega/Eminence DV-77! But will give the IR a try afterwards for sure.
The DV77 is the next speaker I'll be testing
I am thinking a 3 way mix might be awesome, v30, dv77 and this new one. Gonna have to try it with IRs.
Definitely wasn't prepared for that first statement :D
Speaker sounds great, though I preferred the first mic setup
Thanks for another great installment!
I'm already curious for the full Lichtlaerm Audio setup!
What would be missing for a full setup, tho? 🙃
@@lichtlaermaudio The parts are there - I'm simply looking forward to John taking a look at it as a whole.
Great video! I like the new LCFR👿...now I've got another choice beyond V30 and DV77✌️❤️🤘
Great comparison, as usual!!! A lot of effort and thoughts put into these videos. I played the IRs a bit and to me, the LCFR-150 sounds very 90s metal-like. There is a certain grittiness and nastiness in the mids, that i like. It also reacts quick to palm muting over my Diezel VH4. I like it a lot and am curios about the price tag. I would like to see a shootout againt the Eminence Governor, which i also like, in the IRs at least. ;-)
I really appreciate your tests and videos. This new speaker sounds awesome. Much wider, more balanced, and bigger sounding than the V30. Although the V30 in the sweet spot sounds more mix ready.
I found than my Fryette P50Es needed some EQ to tame the top end to really shine, so I think these Fane/Lichtlærm speakers will really show their worth after some post EQ for a mix.
Again, thanks for all the effort you go to to share this information with us. It's not lost on me.
Appreciate it! I'll be getting go the P50E eventually too
Awesome once again.
I was hearing a lot of K100 here, with some V30 blended in. 🤷♂️
Could be from the tinnitus and damaged hearing though.
👍🇦🇺
Big K100 fan here too. You might have a point there. Those speaker share certain qualities but the LCFR seems more balanced to me
I was thinking it sounded kinda like a Fane take on a Swamp Thang, which is a K100 inspired speaker. Not as dark as the ST.
I loved the blend of both speakers!!!
Great sounding Speaker Entry. Will be checking out.
Wow, there or real are some solid speakers, that sound way better than the V30, LCFR is one of the in my opinion. Awesome speaker! And great Demo as always.
The LCFR-150 sounds great. Not aggressive as the V30, a noticably less fizzy in the highs, but maybe overall a more pleasing sound? I still think I prefer the aggression of the V30, but there's also a reason why I'm gravitating more and more towards pairing it with other speakers, like the Creamback G12H-75. I'm getting old, John. That's the reason. There's no other excuse. I look forward to messing around with the IRs you provided.
I relate to the old part. 😂
That v30 sounds really good
Wow this thing sounds awesome. I was already planning on ordering the Prometheus. And I am getting another cab made probably by KSR. This speaker sounds nicer than the Redback, v30 or H75.
I agree! Definitely get a Prometheus! It's amazing
@@TheOtherJohnBrownewould you recommend pairing this with a DV-77 in a 412?
You said the center is the sweet spot but when you moved it to the edge of the dust cap it made the V30 sound harsh and brittle. This thing sounds excellent! Thanks for the great video!
And the room test makes it sound like a DV-77, haha
Cheers, buddy! That's the tricky bit about tone tests for me. There are no absolutes, just relatives. Moving targets. My favoutite V30 was my baseline and based on that I liked the center of the LCFR best but the reference position still sounded great to me too.
Regardless, I am happy you liked the speaker and the video
V30 all the way :) but this a pretty darn good speaker still! thanks for the comparison
the two together sound SO good!
They sure do!
Clicked on the video for the speakers. Stayed for the great playing. New sub
Dude, thank you! I appreciate the compliment
Ive been using Fane Classic Series for the past 38 years and they've blown away every other speaker.
Cheers! I've been very impressed with Fane so far
This speaker sounds very promising. Hope they come to Australia
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Oof sold out fast! Wonder when there will be a restock.
Not released yet - we just created the product page so people can look them up already! You can just sign up for the waitlist and you’ll get info as soon as they’re available!
@@ThornWithinmost likely same as other small german manufacturers like Diezel or Drift Wood, so round about 1100€ - 1200€ for the 4x12" cab.
Great demo, I'd be down with seeing more comparisons.
Thanks man! Plenty more where that came from
Sounds great! Fane makes some of the best speakers out there for metal (even though not many use them) so I'm not really surprised over how good these sound.
Im so hyped about this. Gonna listen with proper headphones brb
I'm getting my amp from them today, and pre-ordered the cab. I have a 4x12 with V30s to go with my Mesa amp, so really wanted some variety for one thing, and getting a matching cab to go with the new amp is hard to pass up. Gonna have to wait another month or so on the cab, but I'm excited. Sounded great in this demo, more balanced than the V30 which can definitely get a little shrill at times. I also thought on the clean channel it sounded much more to my taste, I've always had trouble getting my kind of clean tone through my V30 cab.
Congrats! I received my Prometheus last week and it became my new favourite immedietaly!
Agreed on the clean tone. Dirty the mix of the two is killer.
@therewasascene
May be time to transform my rig into stereo then ;)
New sub for sharing this great IR. Also thank to kyle for sharing your channel.
Cheers!
This actually sounds really nice, I haven’t loved most of the other competitor speakers that people put up against the V30 but this one in my opinion actually holds it own strongly
Awesome 👏 the Lichtlärm speaker sounds perfect to me. Really nice 👍🏻
YES!
Finally a good video about the new hype speaker ❤ well done brother! 🔥
Cheers, mate! I will be buying more of these for sure
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne awesome! I‘ll send you my address for shipping. Thanks. 😂
Great job as always, I really liked this one, and I'm with you that it's hard to beat a good V30, but this is a welcome rival and addition, could make for some great blends too. Excited to try your IRs!
Cheers Nick! Curious to see how you like the IRs
Reminds me of sort of an oldschool 70's Blackbacks, with a tighter low end/low mids, and a bit more highs after 12khz. Pretty sweet though! Didn't he say they were actually based on some old Hiwatt speakers?
I believe you are correct! Based on an older Fane speaker, I believe but I don't know which one
Your channel is a absolute gem! Love it! Maybe you could check out the Jensen Raptor 100W at some point? There are no good videos out there, unfortunately :(
Thanks, man! I appreciate it. I'm confident a Raptor 100 will find its way to me sooner or later
Great video, like always. I prefer the LCFR miced up but the vintage 30 sounds better in the room.
Cheers, Ooze!
I need to find a way to do the room test better. The cab wasn't ideal and one mic position doesn't really help a lot eaither
Thanks for the comparison 😊 i wonder how the lichtlaerm lcfr 150 and eminence dv77 compare ?
You can find out in my DV77 video
Sounds great!! Finally a speaker I'm excited for!
Sounds a bit different but in a much better way than a "holy grail" v30, imagine against the crappy ones from the last 20 years 😂😂
Agree! It was a plesant surprise
I still prefer the V30, but I really appreciate all these tests :)
There is a reason why these are the industry standard - and exactly the reason why we wanted to offer something entirely different 😊
@@lichtlaermaudio I'm a big fan of your pedals btw, and I'm very curious to see and hear your new amplifier. I don't know if you have plans of making a lunchbox amp in the 15-25 watt range, but I'd be VERY interested in that ;)
🎉great sounding spkr!
Interesting. It made the v30 sound like most greenbacks do in comparison. Muffled and harsh. Yet at other parts the v30 was like having an equalizer board boosted in lows mids and highs that you could bring down at anytime to get the same sound as the other speaker.
How does this speaker compare to the Omega Ampworks VM12-65?
Any chance there are some comparisons possible?
Cheers
I'm afraid I have never tried a VM12-65. They are hard to get here in Europe
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Looking forward to you getting your hands on one in the future hopefully. Thanks for your kind reply!
Both sounds good but the V30 sounded better here!!
I like the Weber Gray Wolf more if I wanted something other than a V30
Or the Silver Wolf for folks who want a Vintage 30 on steroids.
When are we fetting the Fane F70 video??
Next speaker is the DV77, then the Fane F70s but I probably want to do a pedal and an amp video between those two so it might be another month, month and a half. Sorry, I'm putting these out as fast as I can 😂
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne no worries, and no rush! I know I'm getting some new Fanes to try out, just want to know how many! Haha
I really like their old speakers, they don't break up in the same way as celestions and, as a result, metal tones sound cleaner, less fizzy. 122/190s for clean (especially mixed with g12/50s) through an el84 amp and the 122142+122234 mixed together for metal through a 6l6 monster (I find those older speakers really sound best when you mix the bass and guitar speakers together).
Curious how the new offerings sound as I haven't listened to Fanes newer than the mid 70s. Wondering if they've voiced them to be V30s alts/clones and if they still have that old fane clarity to them
I’m interested to hear it paired with a Diezel.
Look Ma - No Tone control ! Great focus John , so I won't have to ! V - 30, much more midrange focused, LCFR , very much in the Electro voice Zone ! I prefer the V 30 in the two by 12.
How it speaker compare to g12k-100 ? And what combination was cooler vintage30+lcfr150 or vintage30+g12k100?
That's a tough question. I have not tried this and a K100 in the same cab yet but I might. The K100 is another favourite of mine. Off the top of my head, I would say that the LCFR is more balanced sounding and easier to mic up.
The lcfr 150 kind of reminds me of a hesu demon, I would love to see a comparison to that
Awesome job man🤘🏻 this thing sounds killer. How would you compare this to the mamzer 30? It sounds like they would be a great match. Thanks
They could potentially blend well. The Mamzer really deserves a second video because I've changed the my testing so much since I did that video
Man, that would be awesome. I'm digging Fane speakers, I got an F70 and fell in love with it. This speaker sounds a little similar as far as I can tell. Keep up the great work, I love this shit🤘🏻
@@fattony6-string929 Thanks man! I appreciate it. I also have a few F70s here that, funnily enough, I bought from Daniel at Lichtlaerm. I plan to test those after the DV77 which is up next.
I don’t have a good monitoring environment for final judgement, but this speaker kind of sounds like a T75 if it didn’t suck and was way more musical. Bit broader in the harmonics, and less focused than the V30. I feel like this could make it more open to tone sculpting, which means it fits the amp it was designed for as it’s a bit of a tweaker’s amp.
Had to watch it on my phone 4 hours ago. So here I am again after listening to it on my monitors. Sounds really great. Smooth but not dull at all. That's awesome.
Do you know what kind of magnet it has? 150 Watt but lighter than a V30 is interesting. Thought of getting a pair of these to put them in x pattern in my main live cab (an Engl Pro 4x12") but was afraid it would be a bit much since it's already my most heavy cab :D
I think it's a ferrite magnet. I believe these would do great with two V30s in a 4x12 and yeah, the Engl cabs are heeeavy
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne yeah, bought it dirt cheap because the pre owner lost the wheels and was really annoyed by that:,D
PRESSED LIKE 1 SECOND INTO THE VIDEO! Wooohooo!
Wooooohooooo indeed, man! Appreciate you!
Comparison with the Eminence Divinity-77 ??? Thank You !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DV77 is the next speaker up for testing
I'd be curious to see if they come out with a 16 ohm version of the LCFR-150. My current speakers are all 16 ohm, so it would be easier for me to swipe it out, one for one. So far, it's a pretty sounding speaker, but man, I do love me some vintage 30s.
We’re checking comment sections for demand all the time 😊 there’s a MOQ of 300pcs per impedance so we need to see if there’s enough demand and we’ll definitely do it!
Yeah, I figured that it's spec'd for what you needed it to do. No clue how popular 16 ohm speakers are in the community at large. Regardless, it's pretty cool that you developed a new speaker for your amp.
Can't wait to upload these IRs into my Friedman IR-X! 😁
Wow, that is a GOOD sounding speaker. I'm trying really hard not to buy any more speakers because I'm sort of drowning in them, but this has made it significantly harder to stick with that :)
Honestly, this spealer RIPS! I don't think you'd regret it
Thanks 🙏 and sorry not sorry for the temptation ❤️
This might be a good speaker to throw in a mix if you feel like you are missing high end aggression.
Sounds great! How does it sound compared to the Demon?
The Demon is far brighter than the LCFR and seems a lot closer to the V30 to me in design. Given their different characters, I'd say they'd blend well together in a cab. I may have to do that test
You could get the IRs from both videos and blend them using NadIR for example. The IRs were more or less made the same way.
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne That would be very interestig! I want to be audible and as clear as possible in studio/live situations as I already play death metal with lots of gain on drop B/A. This speakers seem like a good option for it 🤘
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne thank you, I´ll give it a try :)
I run my 5150 50 watt into a 4x12 that is actually a line 6 cheapo and it sounds great! I didn’t compare it to one of the evh cabs made for it or anything else so maybe it can sound better?!
I dunno dude. If it sounds great to you, then why fix what isn't broken? If it's not one of the V30 loaded Line 6 cabs, you could try and get one of the more affordable/sleeper V30 cabs like Crates, Line6s, Hughes & Kettnes, etc.
Should be interresting to compare it to the Electrovoice EVM12L black label society signature 300W .
I wish I had one of those
It sounds great and full but there's also something I hate in the 5-6khz region.. that fizz up there.. the V30 sounds narrower... while the LCFR sounds broader with extended body but also top end.. but that's nothing a bit of EQ cant take care of...
It also goes away if you move it away from the center - it's mic'd right at the dust cap: check 12:52 for the reference comparison :)
The LCFR has a lot of 7-10k content which adds a lot fizz, where the V30 has a steep rolloff from like 5-6k. The LCFR also has less 2.5-6k than the V30 so it has less cut in a mix. So basically these two speakers seem to have the complete opposite high end from each other.
I would personally not use the LCFR on its own. Either go for a mix with the V30 or go with the V30 on its own
What is the song/riff from around 17:00-18:00?
That's a song I wrote for my band at the time that had the working title "13 Nipples".
I give the most ridiculous working titles I can think of as I tend to remember the songs better that way and around the time of writing this I had heard that Opossums have 13 nipples.
Hi! could you do more comparisons with the Fane Mamzer 30 speaker? Please and thank you!
I'll have to do that for the Ron Swanson like please and thank you
@@TheOtherJohnBrowneRight on! hehe
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Preferd the Lichtlärm in all aspects
It's my favourite
Where and when can we buy this speaker?
How much will it cost?
I'll take a couple of 16 ohm speakers!!
John added a link up there: they will be released in late April and will be available through our website and our dealers 😊
@@lichtlaermaudio thanks for the heads up!
You guys are doing an amazing work with this speaker! The price, sound and specs are AMAZING!!
@@lichtlaermaudio would you be able to post the thiele-small parameters of the speaker, please? At least the more basic info like sensitivity, etc.
At least the sensitivity, which is important to know when mixing speakers, so how close is LCFR to the v30 sensitivity?
Appreciated!!
@@JohnWikuthey're posted on the product page! Just noticed I had the font color set to black which is not the best choice on a black background :D changed that now!
Here's also the full T/S-Parameter & spec-list:
Nominal Chassis Diameter: 12”
Impedance. 8 Ω
Power rating: 150W
Frequency Range: 55hz-5khz
Sensitivity: 99.43dB
Magnet Weight: 1.1kg
Voice Coil Material: Copper
Magnet Material: Ceramic
Chassis Material: Steel
Cone Material: Paper
Connectors: Solder Tabs
Cut-Out Diameter: 286mm
Nett Weight: 4.3kg / 9.47lb
Thiele Small Parameters:
FS: 65hz
Re: 6.8 Ω
Qms: 7.6
Qes: 0.451
Qts: 0.426
Vas: 92l
Vd: 0.224l
Sd: 297.2 cm²
Cms: 0.262 mm/N
BL: 12 T/m
Mms: 23g
Xmax: 4.5mm
Efficiency: 5.352%
Interesting! I much prefer the LCFR 150 over V30 miked up, in room with your improvised set up I'm not so sure😊
I might have to get or build a propper over sized 1x12 for that type of test. the cone of the disconnected speaker still flaps around. I'm afraid that impacts the response in a disadvantageous way
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne If it's a stereo cab you can short the other speaker with a shorted plug in the other speaker input, that way making it not vibrating. I've done it a couple of times and it makes a difference. But be careful not to use excess volume, maybe could damage the cone paper, never happened to me though.
How would you compare this to the Eminence DV-77?
Stay tuned for that. The DV-77 is the next speaker I'll be checking out
How does the LCFR 150 compare to the HESU Demon?
Personally, I prefer the LCFR-150. The Demon is great but a little on the bright side. The LCFR is more balanced sounding and easier to mic up
This is a very well done comparison of the two speakers, thank you! The LCFR sounds awesome here!
Really looking forward to the comparison between the F70 and LCFR as my Bogner cab currently has a mix of V30/F70 and I might be looking to change that to a V30/LCFR mix instead... Then again I might just go full retard and get a Lichtlaerm 4x12 loaded with the LCFRs if the price with shipping in EU isn't too bad 😅
Man, I'm tempted to get a Lichtlaerm cab too. They are sooo pretty
The lcfr-150 sounds a bit like theres a cocked wah, which i dig. Too bad its sold out in a snap!
It's not available yet. It'll be available around the end of April. You can put your name on the waitlist on the website
is this more a midscoop more low mid focused speaker for doom metal i think its not a v30 clone
No, it's absolutely not a clone but very much its own thing. Very balances sounding to me
I like how this company has flavor to it. All of its products could sound like a dog in a blender but just visual makes you want to try almost everything.
As a dog daddy this assessment hits hard but I’ll try to see the compliment in it 😅
Lichtlaerms stuff also smells good by the way
wow, Really nice speaker, seems to have a bit of T-75 vibe which a like, on first samples sounded far better than Celestion, but with room mic, to my surprise, I liked both(BTW OC818 is amazing, I use to have two of them, I remember that Royer R121+ OC818 sounded really nice together.
Fane produces some great stuff, this speaker is very similar to ideal metal sound that I have in my head.., reminded me governor a bit, maybe less raw and more refined and precise than Eminence(kinda like different types of beef stake: Rare(Governor) Medium (LCFR) Over cooked(V30). the fact that it handles 150 watt, and lightweight, is really impressive. I think Celestion V type has similar vibe and also lightweight. I can clearly see why you like it. BTW what's up with that FL cab behind you? Did you buy Diezel cab or it's ENGL?
Edit. I really like speaker, went back and compared it to your governor video. Like them both equally, I guess depending on amp, cleaner refined amp+cab(Diezel
, Mesa Mark Fryette) I would prefer Governor, for more dirty amps like Marshall, Bogner Ubershall I would prefer cleaner LCFR, for Rectifier and 5150, I guess classic combination of Mesa cab with V30
Cheers Daniel! Thanks for the comment. I think I need a different cab for room samples. The fact that there is a second speaker in there, even when electrically disconnected won't benefit the sound. It's cone is moved back and forth by the internal pressure of the cab.
The cab behind me is my Engl 412 XXL. The heaviest thing I own that isn't a cab. Would love to own a Diezel 4x12 at some point but I'm running out of space and those Lichtlaerm cabs look amazing
Seems similar to Hesu , no ?
I don't think so. The Hesu Demon is a lot closer to the V30 than the LCFR-150.
So to which speacker is it the clostest ?
Reminds me of the F70. Which like this, is killer.
It’s honestly an entirely different design: Fane suggested the F70 at first and while its a great speaker it just wasn’t what we were looking for - I actually sold the sample F70 to John so there’s a chance of hearing them compared at some point 😊
Based on the reactions so far, I'll have to line the LCFR-150 up against several speakers
@@lichtlaermaudio I think we need to hear the Prometheus through it! Actually just emailed you guys about it!
I’ll reply on Monday - John forced me out of my weekend hibernation already 😁
Also he has his Prometheus already… so 😁
@@lichtlaermaudio I want to hear that comparison because I have a F70 that I LOVE in my cab paired with a Swamp Thang, but I'm kinda tired of the Swamp Thang and am looking for a good pairing for it.
You're becoming Daddy's favourite John Browne.
I'm daddy.
Sounds sick. I've become more interested in Fane and Laney speakers for a more unique sound. This is definitely it's own thing. Next speakers: the Hypocrite and Dick Move...
Lich vs CV-75!
are you a native german speaker? because of the way you pronounce lichtlärm.
anyways, i wonder how the LCFR would sound in a front loaded 4x12 cab x-pattern with 2 Celestion K100 speakers. daniel told me in a answer to a comment that he dislikes frontloaded cabs, despite that i think this speaker might be good for front loaded.
Almost. I've been speaking German since I was a child, so close enough.
I have no doubts this speaker would do well in a frontloaded cab too. I may chuck it in my Engl 4x12 to hear for myself.
Recently though, I am liking rear loaded cabs more than front loaded ones too
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne oh that's cool, i grew up bilingual too, and learned english later in school.
i'd like to use th speaker in my front loaded Diezel cab, but i also have 2 rear loaded marshall cabs, an angled one with v30s, i don't know the manufacturing date of, and a straight one with T75s from 1983. might be interesting either cross pattern in the diezel with the K100s or in the angled marshall with the v30s.
V30 for me. Smoother and more clear.
i liked the sounds of the V30 much better,,,,
It's all subjective. The V30 is the industry standard for a reason and I'll always love it
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne That may be why i like it better....my ears and brain are more conditioned to it through years of hearing it....
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I still prefer the v30
I like both equally tbh
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne oh sure, the lichtern is good, no denying that. And depending on the setup and mix could be better. Just saying my initial thoughts. I do think they are going to sell a good amount of these!