How to thank you? It's so rare that a concertist of your level share how she works on a piece. That' awesome, thanks a lot! Please keep going posting videos, that's very very helpful.
Very useful recommendations- I've been trying to play this piece for many, many years but don't have a teacher. Inevitably, I have not made much progress but these exercises give me hope that I might one day succeed in playing this magnificent piece "tolerably"... Thank you very much for sharing these ideas.
3 года назад+9
I wish you all the best on your journey with this piece, it’s so rewarding when you finally get to the point of being able to play it. 🤗
You are lucky to have a great teacher. My teacher was a child prodigy, he just does not know how to teach. He thinks either you can do it or not. One time, I wanted to learn Revolutionary. He said it is impossible..... He was wrong....! I love to show him that I can play Revolutionary. I even played in a competition.
3 года назад+3
Good for you! Nothing is impossible and I love your mindset! 💪🏻👏🏻 Keep going strong!
You play this study so comfortably, even the most awkward moments, and because you‘ve lived with this since you were in your early teens, it flies off the fingers with ease. Wonderful.!
I’m learning it now. Tried it last year and got sore right hand. Coming back to it now after working on releasing tension a lot. It really is a major milestone. I can hardly believe that I’m even able to play it at 100bpm. It’s such a rewarding piece as it slowly comes together.
I like how she plays the dynamics of this piece. Sometimes dreamy and grand , sometimes cautious. It’s nice to listen to it. Also , she is really right about the patience you need for this piece. It’s so transparent that you can hear every mistake. Unlike some other etudes, you can’t muffle it away with pedal. Slow but stead really wins the race. Personally I am not a fan of accentuating all 4 16th’s separately. It can cause unnecessary up and down wrist movement as shown in the video slowing you down. Especially when you use this piece also to strengthen the hand. Which for many is mostly the case. Grouping together the 2nd and 3rd 16th note will both strengthen fingers, and help coördination of the hand and train the wrist movement or flexibility you need for this piece. Also these chopin etudes you need to learn by heart. Start with learning the harmonic progression and framework of this piece. It helps with wrapping everything together. Otherwise nice tutorial. 👍
3 года назад+1
Thanks so much for your comment, such great input! 🙏🏻
Thanks a lot for the lesson. For many years, I have been thinking about playing these Etude without much courage to start. (don't have a teacher). Then saw other video a month ago, that gave me some hope. So I started, but the progress has been slow. I will incorporate your recommendation to practice everyday. Hopefully one day, I can play this piece from start to finish. Not in a hurry. Just any in my life time will be fine. Thanks again.
You are unique, dear teacher...As always, it was great and professional. Thank you very much for this tutorial ... Please continue sending the video. It is very useful. And we appreciate you
This is one of the hardest Etudes by Chopin. Had watched many tutorials about this etude and will definitely try your advice .. thank you soo much! more power
3 года назад+1
Thank you, have fun with it! 💪🏻 Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Thank you for this!! I have started on this first Etude, and knew to work slowly and patiently, also the groups of four notes. Your other tips were new to me: I am excited about putting them to work. Also I will take to heart your teacher's counsel to play something from these etudes every day. It is going to be a long time before I have much fluency with this, and that is fine with me. Again, thank you!!!!
3 года назад+1
Thank you, I am glad you liked it and keep up the great work! 👏🏻👌🏻
I was hoping you would have a video on this. You’re so generous with your time - thanks for sharing your expertise!!! After so many years I am hoping to make some progress in this etude.
2 года назад+2
All the best for you and have fun with the exercises! :)
Very inspirational, and so beautifully presented. I discovered this etude when I was 18 and a beginner and tried to play it! I saw middle C in the first bar and thought, ok this should be easy. I was trying to do things myself without a teacher. Too bad because some guidance would have been most helpful at that point. Now I have recital plans, an encouraging instructor, and a couple of etudes (not #1) are performance candidates.
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Wonderful! All the best for your further piano journey and thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Your videos have helped me so much! I’m ready to tackle these pieces but there aren’t any instructors where I live. Keep up the good work and hope to keep learning from you!
2 года назад+1
Thanks so much! So glad you are finding the videos helpful :)
@@ericastier1646 I appreciate your support. I have the fear of playing something, and getting into bad habits with my hands. But I’ve been doing it on my own for a few years now and relying on content this like one for help.
@@JoelHernandez-yl6yw You're welcome. If that helps your motivation, i have no teacher and never had a piano at home. I have to go elsewhere and am learning this etude. I had piano teachers before and i can assure you these videos are more useful then they were.
@@ericastier1646 I promise you this is not spam. I just got this recommendation for a video on Chopin’s hand and finger movement. Cheers and good luck in your piano studies. ruclips.net/video/_sm8UqTtsXE/видео.html
I am just back from practicing this in the first exercise, and i wanted to watch you demonstrate again because it is much harder than it looks when you do it.
I love Chopin very good news then !! I started as beginner straight to learn nocturne op 9 Eflat major ... ! ( Specific method ... will help !!! ).. oww what a beautiful piece !!
I have been playing this study on and off for the better part of 15 years, some of those years I didn't even touch it but have been revisiting it again recently. I have tried multiple teachers, any and all practice methods, tutorials I could find. I still cannot get that damn descending A major arpeggio and descending B7 arpeggio during the climax (before the E major) at tempo. I will try these out! I''m still determined. I have a very strong love/hate relationship with this piece lol.
Thank you 1000 times for giving us some cues to work on this piece. I love it and couldn't play it as a kid, now I will get back to it and practice with your exercises.
Excellent exercises. It would have been helpful if you had given us the respective bar numbers in the second exercise (and if the grand piano had been tuned . . .).Really, thanks very, very much!!
You are incredibly good, i know how difficult it is to play this etude. For me the first page of this etude are the hardest arpeggio especially C major. The middle pages arpeggio that everybody finds so difficult actually are not. Everybody is using the wrong fingering and jumping on the wrong notes. I don't know why Chopin didn't write the fingering but once you find it (it took me years !) then that middle section is almost easy, it's even the place i rest my fingers because there is less difficulty. The hardest bar in the whole etude is the return of the C major arpegio.
Thank you for your great ideas! I am hoping that practicing this etude will eventually increase the stretch of my right hand to roughly where my left is now.
3 года назад+1
Thank you! Your stretch will definitely improve when practicing this study. Have fun with it! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Complimenti, davvero ottimi i suggerimenti per affrontare questo studio possente. Ho tentato varie volte di affrontarlo, ma lo scoraggiamento ha sempre prevalso. Il tuo video mi ha invogliato nuovamente 🤞
12:25 somehow if the movement just passively happens, and if it is a very small, it shouldn't be a problem. Great tutorial
3 года назад+2
Thank you! :) And yes, I definitely agree. If it is just a small movement and isn‘t actively led by the elbow, it doesn‘t create a problem. Have fun with the study! :)
Very cleaver practice suggestions! Just as an improvement tip, try to re-study everything without using your thumb (yes, it's obsessive stuff, I admit it)
Hello, I made an experiment in my youtube channel, just spent 2 weeks practising this piece and then made 2 videos (1 at the end of each week), and I was able to do it because of your tutorial, (i mention that in the description of my video), thank you very much!! :)
3 года назад+1
Just watched the video, great job!! Thanks so much for watching and I am very happy that you found the exercises helpful. ☺️
@@Lindsaayyy because some are like me pure beginners they need and deserve more info to introduce a specific coaching lesson 🙂 ... results are wonderful !!
If Op 10 no 1 was a mountain and me a mountaineer then i would describe my 15 years of trying to learn it as the whole history of the Everest ascent with failed expeditions and aborted routes and falling down the mountains and having to restart from base camp. I'd say i have never reach camp 6 but sometimes stayed at camp 4 and a few times just a few hours a camp 5 before it all fell apart with tension setting him, cramps and the hand becomes rigid and being forced to descend back down to camp 1 and even base camp ! The progresses are never permanent you keep seeing your technique fall apart and delearn your progress, exactly as Chopin said. I know the notes of this study as if it was the C major scale but still haven't summited this beast.
Jran-Paul Sevilla (Angela Hewitt's mentor) taught that any piece can be learned in 3 to 5 weeks. If not, one is either not practicing enough, using the wrong skillset, or the piece is not at their level of musicianship---ability to sing pitches, count as you play, transpose through an understanding of functional harmony.
Most tutorials on this piece recommend practicing in alternative rhythms or making the arpeggios into chords. I would ask why this is better than just playing the notes as written at a tempo where you have 100% accuracy and evenness.
3 года назад+1
Practicing the arpeggios in chords helps secure the exact hand position for every arpeggio and creates very helpful connections between brain and muscles. However, of course you still need to practice the notes separately to achieve accuracy and evenness. 👌🏻 thanks for watching 🙏🏻
One lmore thing I do with this study is take each arppeggio (every 4 notes) and turn them into triplets like this: 1 note / 2 notes together / 1 note . . . C / G-C / E . . . etc. All the way up AND down. Slow tempo, of course and all that good stuff. I'm sure you could do something similar with various permutations of triplets.
Realmente muy buenos tus ejercicios. Los estoy aplicando en el N2 op 25 cada 2 compases.. Pienso ayuda mucho a enfrentarse de a poco con la velocidad final Desde ya Muchas Gracias Santy
Amazing tutorial. Thank you very much! I wondered if you have a video or suggestions to practice repeated notes. I am practicing Ravel's "Alborada del Gracioso" and struggling with the sections where repeated notes appear..
2 года назад
Here is a video on octave repetitions: ruclips.net/video/AtZApTRBCHM/видео.html Hope this helps! But also, I will make one on repetitions in general in the future :)
@ Hi Danae. Thank you very much for taking the time to reply to my request and the link to the video. I really appreciate it. I have been looking at your other videos and I really enjoy the content. Thanks again!!!
At what grade level should you approx be at when trying or attempting to play any of chopin's etudes. I made it to grade 8 RCM years ago in my early to late teens then stopped. I recently picked up playing again a year or so ago . Bern Been relearning my scales again.
3 года назад
I would say that you could definitely start practicing these exercises at a very slow tempo. The earlier you get your hands into these partners and the more you practice it at a slow tempo often, the more effective the end result will be. 😊
@ ok thank you for your reply and that totally makes logical sense . I love your explaining style on camera and your approach to teaching. Very unique and pleasant. I subbed , thanks again!!
I feel more comfortable with Op 10 n 2 than n 1, BUT n 2 injures my hand even though i feel no cramp or tense playing it. So i avoid practicing it even though i can play it through (almost).
Your suggestions were good. But one difficulty of this piece is also the stamina. The final performance you have done, it has been cut 4 times. I do not find it honest. 14:50, 15:28, 15:49, 16:16.
I already know it by heart. Now I´m practicing at a 55 tempo and I plan to slowly, maybe after a week or ten days, increase the tempo in 5-10 points. I began faster but I saw that I lost control and that in a piece so technically demanding I had to do it in other ways more accurate. Within a month? I´m planning months lol
3 года назад+1
Take all the time you need, that’s exactly how you should do it! 👌🏻 Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
@ Sorry I did not see your response. Thanks for your answer. Practicing this stude so much almost caused me a tendinitis in the right hand or something. My hand did not feel normal 😁🤦♂It´s not carpal tunnel because I don´t have the symptons, but now I´m taking it in easy. Just playing it very slow now and then so that I don´t forget what I learnt but giving my hand a rest. This etude is not hard in the sense of that it´s difficult to learn it, but playing it fast with the perfect tecnique and without tension is the problem and the key.
Fantastic! As an amateur I probably don't live long enough to learn to play in that final tempo you use. I have struggled some years with op10 #3 but it is still not floating. Hard work and harder the older you are. Anyway, good to have fun during the path. I wounder how professional pianists take care of their fingers. It would be a disaster to have a finger damaged so you couldn't place for some days. Sometimes I get the outside of the right thumb acing. Probably because it touches the left key when doing downwards arpeggios and not using the correct position of the wrist. Sometimes the fifth fingers could ace because they have been too straight and not bent enough when pushing the keys. How can a professional pianist play for hours in practice or consert without damaging any finger. Is it only a question of relaxation. Relaxation I have understood is very important. In the beginning it is very difficult and almost impossible. The more you play and practice the easier it gets. Maybe a tip to talk about in a video of yours is how to treat your fingers and hands as a professional. Nails not too short or long, exercises to perform outside the piano, good to strengthen the hand muscles by digging in the garden but not too much, use fingertip papertape if you haven't practiced for a while and lost the extra skin on the fingertips, etcetera. Regards /Henrik
3 года назад
Thanks so much! It always makes me very happy to encounter auch dedicated amateur pianists that are working towards improving their technique in order to make music with many different kinds of pieces. Keep going, that’s so wonderful! And yes, op. 10 no. 3 isn’t an easy one either. 😉 Thanks for the video idea, I will definitely add it to my list! 🤗
It really is about developping the brain perception of your body involved in piano playing. Much of piano playing is about muscle memory and the ability to create them. It is as much a study of the human learning process than the instrument itself. You have to learn to learn. Flexibility is crucial but comes from good practice. Progress depends very much on the type of brain activity you have while practicing. Nothing will miraculously be learned by osmosis over time, you have to develop a conscious intent of learning bit by bit and monitoring how your brain and body is learning. Regularity in practice is the most important. No special care is needed for fingers. If anything pianists hands are stronger than normal.
Any tips to release tension and fatigue while playing this etude?
4 года назад+7
I would say to 1) make sure that your left hand is completely relaxed while holding the octaves so that there is no extra tension translarinf into your right hand. 2) move your body with your right hand to make the hand position as easy as possible. 3) use some of the high notes (5th finger) as “release points” in which your wrist quickly releases any built-up tension through a short forward motion. Hope this helps! :-)
Hi Danae. Thank you for your advice. I have a question on the page 2 (bar n°15 --D,G,D,E). How I must rotate my hand? because when I increase the tempo I lose my hand position.Ty
4 года назад+1
I would suggest not to stiffen your wrist and stay in the same position, but focus on the rotation and fluid movement in order to manage to play this passage. When I play, my wrist kind of goes down while playing G and then more to the right while playing D and E. Hope this helps!
These are great exercises and I have been working diligently on them. But I have found that I can only practice this etude for a limited time every session. My wrists and arm muscles reach a limit where I can't play effectively any more. My limit is ~ 10 minutes at most, then I have to stretch, relax, rest, try again, or move on to a different piece. I thought at first that I would build strength and ease of playing with repetition. But it hasn't happened yet (I've been working on it several months, and have it memorized.) I do not have this problem with other music. I can practice Bach, Mozart sonatas, and Beethoven for long periods - no problem. I keep a relaxed flexible wrist. Do concert pianists ever have this problem with music that pushes your technical limits? It would be great if you could do a session on how to address this kind of challenge in practicing.
2 года назад+2
Yes, if something is technically very demanding and requires extreme strength from your hands, this can happen. I think you are doing the right thing exactly! As soon as you feel tired, stretch, rest, relax, then try again. It will improve with time. Another important aspect is to practice with a positive mental mindset. This can also drastically change your practicing experience.
@ Thanks for the tips! I like your suggestion about a positive attitude. It is hard sometimes when progress feels slow - when you can "hear" it in your head, but your hands can't keep up. So, I'll try to practice looking at what I *can* do.
@@highharmonics I have not reached the tempo yet but i am a bit more ahead of you, i remember the time when my experience was exactly yours. If I could have talked to myself back that time, i would say that is normal and will go away as you start to become more aware of the articulations and muscle needed to relax the hand (wrist, elbow and shoulder not just fingers). For now your brain has too many parameters to and does not know which path to choose to relax muscles best. Your work should be to make it more clear to your brain what the possibilities are by playing the arpeggios in various dynamics and rhythms. Can you play all the rhythm she proposed very slowly or is that too difficult ? if you cannot you need to memorize the jumps and be able to play the whole piece slowly without mistakes. Also you are on the right path if you can hear every note slowly but are unable to play them without mistake. That is a corrected stage of learning this piece.
Hello Danae, I'm a little confused, do you connect the fifth and the thumb (closed hand) or you are just jumping to the next position? It seems that you re not using wrist as much but only fingers is that right? Because I saw Lisitsa video and her wrist is like always moving down and up.
4 года назад
I am connecting the fifth and the thumb, however just as you said, mainly by using fingers and not so much the wrist. Both techniques (with and without wrist) are totally possible, but for me personally, focusing on fingers only makes it easier.
Danae, what is the difference between an opus and an etude?
2 года назад+1
The opus is the „work“ of the composer and often also serves as a cataloguing help of all their pieces. An etude is a composition that is geared towards further developing technical abilities on the instrument. :)
Tempo mark Quaver note = 176. There are so many strict tempo in Chopin Etude Op 10 no 1 and Op 10 no 2 and Op 10 no 4 and Op 10 no 5 and Op 10 no 7 and Op 10 no 8 and Op 10 no 9 and Op 10 no 10 and Op 10 no 11 and Op 10 no 12 and Op 25 no 1 and Op 25 no 2 and Op 25 no 3 and Op 25 no 4 and Op 25 no 5 and Op 25 no 6 and Op 25 no 8 and Op 25 no 9 and Op 25 no 10 and Op 25 no 11 and Op 25 no 12. polish original Chopin Etude Their fast tempo presto are 176, 144, 176, 116, 88, 176, 96, 152, 76, 160, 104, 112, 120, 160, 184-168-184, 138, 138, 112, 144-120-144, 138, 160.
3 года назад+1
Thank you so much for sharing the information here!
Hi, my hand only can reach 8th, is possible to play this?
3 года назад+3
Hi! Yes, absolutely. I think that as long as you can reach an octave, you should be able to play this study. I have also made a whole video on hand span and how to increase it, which you can check out here: ruclips.net/video/m31AJwDNqEQ/видео.html Hope this helps! :)
Although, undoubtedly, Chopin's etudes are very useful and artistically brilliant, they still lack some fundamental building blocks. First of all, fast repeated notes techniques are missing. You need some complementary exercises from Czerny or Liszt (La Campanella) to fill that hole. Secondly, this collection still very much focuses on right hand techniques. Though 'Revolutionary' and 'Cello' are introduced to put a bandage on the wound, they are still not solid enough.
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Yes, adding some other studies to the mix will definitely help you cover all of the technical difficulties of piano playing. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
How to thank you? It's so rare that a concertist of your level share how she works on a piece.
That' awesome, thanks a lot!
Please keep going posting videos, that's very very helpful.
Thank you so much 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you for that ur so sweet
It's such a rarity for a professionally trained pianist to give advices on youtube. Thank you so much! Your job is much appreciated
So glad that I am able to share my experiences! 🤗🙏🏻
Very useful recommendations- I've been trying to play this piece for many, many years but don't have a teacher. Inevitably, I have not made much progress but these exercises give me hope that I might one day succeed in playing this magnificent piece "tolerably"... Thank you very much for sharing these ideas.
I wish you all the best on your journey with this piece, it’s so rewarding when you finally get to the point of being able to play it. 🤗
I have the same exact experience! Lol
marvellous piece.I'm trying to work it.I'm 65.It's now or never ! ty !
That’s amazing, have fun with the study! 👏🏻🤗
You are lucky to have a great teacher. My teacher was a child prodigy, he just does not know how to teach. He thinks either you can do it or not. One time, I wanted to learn Revolutionary. He said it is impossible..... He was wrong....! I love to show him that I can play Revolutionary. I even played in a competition.
Good for you! Nothing is impossible and I love your mindset! 💪🏻👏🏻 Keep going strong!
He’s justifying is poor teaching ability because he’s assuming that being a good pianist thereby means you’re a good piano teacher. Lol.
You play this study so comfortably, even the most awkward moments, and because you‘ve lived with this since you were in your early teens, it flies off the fingers with ease.
Wonderful.!
Thank you!
I’m learning it now. Tried it last year and got sore right hand. Coming back to it now after working on releasing tension a lot. It really is a major milestone. I can hardly believe that I’m even able to play it at 100bpm. It’s such a rewarding piece as it slowly comes together.
I like how she plays the dynamics of this piece. Sometimes dreamy and grand , sometimes cautious. It’s nice to listen to it.
Also , she is really right about the patience you need for this piece. It’s so transparent that you can hear every mistake. Unlike some other etudes, you can’t muffle it away with pedal. Slow but stead really wins the race.
Personally I am not a fan of accentuating all 4 16th’s separately. It can cause unnecessary up and down wrist movement as shown in the video slowing you down. Especially when you use this piece also to strengthen the hand. Which for many is mostly the case.
Grouping together the 2nd and 3rd 16th note will both strengthen fingers, and help coördination of the hand and train the wrist movement or flexibility you need for this piece.
Also these chopin etudes you need to learn by heart. Start with learning the harmonic progression and framework of this piece. It helps with wrapping everything together.
Otherwise nice tutorial. 👍
Thanks so much for your comment, such great input! 🙏🏻
cool, dass du das machst! 👍🏽👍🏽🔥
This is by far the best tutorial on this particular Chopin etude. Thanks for you hard work on the video and thank you as well for sharing!
Thank you so much!
Thanks a lot for the lesson. For many years, I have been thinking about playing these Etude without much courage to start. (don't have a teacher). Then saw other video a month ago, that gave me some hope. So I started, but the progress has been slow. I will incorporate your recommendation to practice everyday. Hopefully one day, I can play this piece from start to finish. Not in a hurry. Just any in my life time will be fine. Thanks again.
Very helpful thank you!
Glad you liked the exercises!
You help me immensely, I was a bit scared when I was given this to try, I just had 3 years playing, many thanks
You are unique, dear teacher...As always, it was great and professional. Thank you very much for this tutorial ... Please continue sending the video. It is very useful. And we appreciate you
This is one of the hardest Etudes by Chopin. Had watched many tutorials about this etude and will definitely try your advice .. thank you soo much! more power
Thank you, have fun with it! 💪🏻 Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
You are one of the best professors to clearly teach how to separate the difficult big one to easier small pieces.
Thanks so much! 🙏🏻
Thank you a lot dear Danae. Your tips are so useful. It's really kind of you to share your mastery. Your videos are really the best. Hugs from Paris.
Thank you so much!
Thank you for this!! I have started on this first Etude, and knew to work slowly and patiently, also the groups of four notes. Your other tips were new to me: I am excited about putting them to work.
Also I will take to heart your teacher's counsel to play something from these etudes every day. It is going to be a long time before I have much fluency with this, and that is fine with me. Again, thank you!!!!
Thank you, I am glad you liked it and keep up the great work! 👏🏻👌🏻
I was hoping you would have a video on this. You’re so generous with your time - thanks for sharing your expertise!!! After so many years I am hoping to make some progress in this etude.
All the best for you and have fun with the exercises! :)
Very inspirational, and so beautifully presented. I discovered this etude when I was 18 and a beginner and tried to play it! I saw middle C in the first bar and thought, ok this should be easy. I was trying to do things myself without a teacher. Too bad because some guidance would have been most helpful at that point. Now I have recital plans, an encouraging instructor, and a couple of etudes (not #1) are performance candidates.
Wonderful! All the best for your further piano journey and thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Your videos have helped me so much! I’m ready to tackle these pieces but there aren’t any instructors where I live. Keep up the good work and hope to keep learning from you!
Thanks so much! So glad you are finding the videos helpful :)
You don't need an instructor. Chopin never had a piano teacher only violinists teaching piano.
@@ericastier1646 I appreciate your support. I have the fear of playing something, and getting into bad habits with my hands. But I’ve been doing it on my own for a few years now and relying on content this like one for help.
@@JoelHernandez-yl6yw You're welcome. If that helps your motivation, i have no teacher and never had a piano at home. I have to go elsewhere and am learning this etude. I had piano teachers before and i can assure you these videos are more useful then they were.
@@ericastier1646 I promise you this is not spam. I just got this recommendation for a video on Chopin’s hand and finger movement. Cheers and good luck in your piano studies.
ruclips.net/video/_sm8UqTtsXE/видео.html
I am just back from practicing this in the first exercise, and i wanted to watch you demonstrate again because it is much harder than it looks when you do it.
I love Chopin very good news then !! I started as beginner straight to learn nocturne op 9 Eflat major ... ! ( Specific method ... will help !!! ).. oww what a beautiful piece !!
I love that piece, absolutely beautiful!
I have been playing this study on and off for the better part of 15 years, some of those years I didn't even touch it but have been revisiting it again recently. I have tried multiple teachers, any and all practice methods, tutorials I could find. I still cannot get that damn descending A major arpeggio and descending B7 arpeggio during the climax (before the E major) at tempo. I will try these out! I''m still determined. I have a very strong love/hate relationship with this piece lol.
Great tips on how to practice. Thank you so much.
Thank you 1000 times for giving us some cues to work on this piece. I love it and couldn't play it as a kid, now I will get back to it and practice with your exercises.
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That's so clear,and so helpful.
Really nice of you to share your knowledge this way.
Sat at the piano today with this one for the first time.
Thank you so much, my pleasure! I am so glad that you found it helpful.
Very good! Thank you!
Thanks, glad you liked it!
This was very helpful! Thank you!
Безусловно у Вас дар педагога,но имея такую широкую звуковую палитру,вдохновляете к творчеству.Спасибо.
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KHK's most favorite etude along with no.2! It's Phu here! greetings from Bangkok!!
Hiiii!!! Yes, so true, KHK loved these two. 😉
Who's KHK?
KHK stands for Karl-Heinz Kämmerling, I think. (Her former teacher)
Thank you for your sharing.I'm practicing this piece and your video is quit helpful.
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정말 도움이 많이 됐어요 감사합니다 연주도 정말 훌륭해요 !!
I'm also trying to bring this piece back, and I found so many interesting ideas from your video, thank you so much for sharing!!
So glad you found it helpful! 🙏🏻
Excellent exercises. It would have been helpful if you had given us the respective bar numbers in the second exercise (and if the grand piano had been tuned . . .).Really, thanks very, very much!!
You are incredibly good, i know how difficult it is to play this etude.
For me the first page of this etude are the hardest arpeggio especially C major. The middle pages arpeggio that everybody finds so difficult actually are not. Everybody is using the wrong fingering and jumping on the wrong notes. I don't know why Chopin didn't write the fingering but once you find it (it took me years !) then that middle section is almost easy, it's even the place i rest my fingers because there is less difficulty. The hardest bar in the whole etude is the return of the C major arpegio.
Какая у Вас апликатура в 30,32,36,64 такте ? Спасибо.
Thank you for your great ideas! I am hoping that practicing this etude will eventually increase the stretch of my right hand to roughly where my left is now.
Thank you! Your stretch will definitely improve when practicing this study. Have fun with it! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Thank you!!! Will try these exercises out :)
The first excercise are nr.12,13,14,15 taken from Alfred Cortot's methode du Travail.
Complimenti, davvero ottimi i suggerimenti per affrontare questo studio possente. Ho tentato varie volte di affrontarlo, ma lo scoraggiamento ha sempre prevalso. Il tuo video mi ha invogliato nuovamente 🤞
12:25 somehow if the movement just passively happens, and if it is a very small, it shouldn't be a problem. Great tutorial
Thank you! :) And yes, I definitely agree. If it is just a small movement and isn‘t actively led by the elbow, it doesn‘t create a problem. Have fun with the study! :)
Please, more video like this! I have subscribed your channel! Very very interesting!
Thank you so much! More videos coming very soon :)
Very cleaver practice suggestions! Just as an improvement tip, try to re-study everything without using your thumb (yes, it's obsessive stuff, I admit it)
Hello, I made an experiment in my youtube channel, just spent 2 weeks practising this piece and then made 2 videos (1 at the end of each week), and I was able to do it because of your tutorial, (i mention that in the description of my video), thank you very much!! :)
Just watched the video, great job!! Thanks so much for watching and I am very happy that you found the exercises helpful. ☺️
brilliant! bravo!!!
That you, I believe I shall apply those tips to other pieces as well 😊
Yes, absolutely, have fun with it! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Ottimo video, bellissimo. Utile, didattico. Infonde serenità. Complimenti
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thanks for the tips. very helpful.
Thank you!
Thank you so much for the video!!
Thank you! So glad you liked it :)
Excellent. Thank you.
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thank you so much for this lecture. pls how about the finger placing on the keys . what and what fingers are to be used ? thank you
Great advice thank you! I just order the book Chopin 10 and been waiting. For now I am still practicing Czerny
Wonderful! And Czerny is s great choice before Chopin 👏🏻
Good tips, and your playing is incredible.
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This is awesome! (And in return, I now will come over and tune your piano for free, when I'm in town. :)
Excellent
Brilliant stuff.
Many thanks maestro.
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Skip to 4:30 for the first exercise discussion.
Thanks
Why can’t they just start it when the video starts LOL thanks for the timestamp I always look for these!
@@Lindsaayyy because some are like me pure beginners they need and deserve more info to introduce a specific coaching lesson 🙂 ... results are wonderful !!
Some very important things are said prior to this.
Please make a video about op. 10 n. 4 and one about op. 10 n. 12
Thanks a lot 😊
If Op 10 no 1 was a mountain and me a mountaineer then i would describe my 15 years of trying to learn it as the whole history of the Everest ascent with failed expeditions and aborted routes and falling down the mountains and having to restart from base camp. I'd say i have never reach camp 6 but sometimes stayed at camp 4 and a few times just a few hours a camp 5 before it all fell apart with tension setting him, cramps and the hand becomes rigid and being forced to descend back down to camp 1 and even base camp ! The progresses are never permanent you keep seeing your technique fall apart and delearn your progress, exactly as Chopin said. I know the notes of this study as if it was the C major scale but still haven't summited this beast.
Jran-Paul Sevilla (Angela Hewitt's mentor) taught that any piece can be learned in 3 to 5 weeks. If not, one is either not practicing enough, using the wrong skillset, or the piece is not at their level of musicianship---ability to sing pitches, count as you play, transpose through an understanding of functional harmony.
Most tutorials on this piece recommend practicing in alternative rhythms or making the arpeggios into chords. I would ask why this is better than just playing the notes as written at a tempo where you have 100% accuracy and evenness.
Practicing the arpeggios in chords helps secure the exact hand position for every arpeggio and creates very helpful connections between brain and muscles. However, of course you still need to practice the notes separately to achieve accuracy and evenness. 👌🏻 thanks for watching 🙏🏻
One lmore thing I do with this study is take each arppeggio (every 4 notes) and turn them into triplets like this:
1 note / 2 notes together / 1 note . . .
C / G-C / E . . . etc. All the way up AND down. Slow tempo, of course and all that good stuff.
I'm sure you could do something similar with various permutations of triplets.
Great addition, thank you! :)
Great stuff! Thank you!
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WOW, 1000th follow =) Thanks Danae.
Reminder for rythms : First exercise ; 2nd note first day, 3rd second day, 4th third day, 1st fourth day.
Wow thank you!! 🙏🏻
Great advices! Txs! Sounds relaxed, how you played it.
Thank you!!
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Muy buenos ejercicios muchas gracias, estaba un poco perdida, respecto a como empezar a estudiarlo...
Realmente muy buenos tus ejercicios.
Los estoy aplicando en el N2 op 25 cada 2 compases..
Pienso ayuda mucho a enfrentarse de a poco con la velocidad final
Desde ya Muchas Gracias
Santy
Gracias 🤗
wow ..... clean
Amazing tutorial. Thank you very much! I wondered if you have a video or suggestions to practice repeated notes. I am practicing Ravel's "Alborada del Gracioso" and struggling with the sections where repeated notes appear..
Here is a video on octave repetitions:
ruclips.net/video/AtZApTRBCHM/видео.html
Hope this helps! But also, I will make one on repetitions in general in the future :)
@ Hi Danae. Thank you very much for taking the time to reply to my request and the link to the video. I really appreciate it. I have been looking at your other videos and I really enjoy the content. Thanks again!!!
I wish l can play this beautiful chopin l will do my best. You are so nice person!♥️
That’s so sweet, thank you so much! 😍🤗
At what grade level should you approx be at when trying or attempting to play any of chopin's etudes. I made it to grade 8 RCM years ago in my early to late teens then stopped. I recently picked up playing again a year or so ago . Bern Been relearning my scales again.
I would say that you could definitely start practicing these exercises at a very slow tempo. The earlier you get your hands into these partners and the more you practice it at a slow tempo often, the more effective the end result will be. 😊
@ ok thank you for your reply and that totally makes logical sense . I love your explaining style on camera and your approach to teaching. Very unique and pleasant. I subbed , thanks again!!
thank you I apreciate you cause you helped me a lot
So happy to hear that, thank you!
hey!could you do a video for chopin op 10 n 5?it would be really helpful
Thank you so much for your clear explanation! It's so helpful! I find your wrist going up after each four notes look very tiring.
Thank you! I actually do the wrist to relax it and make sure that it doesn’t get tense and tired. 🙂
@ so when speeding up and playing the entire piece, should the wrist still be constantly raised?
some of these exercises are contained in cortot's edition
Yes, a wonderful edition!! 🤗
Wonderful tutorial! I've been practicing this Etude and I will introduce these new exercises. Thank you.
Thank you! All the best with it :)
I feel more comfortable with Op 10 n 2 than n 1, BUT n 2 injures my hand even though i feel no cramp or tense playing it. So i avoid practicing it even though i can play it through (almost).
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Thank you! :-)
Your suggestions were good. But one difficulty of this piece is also the stamina. The final performance you have done, it has been cut 4 times. I do not find it honest. 14:50, 15:28, 15:49, 16:16.
I already know it by heart. Now I´m practicing at a 55 tempo and I plan to slowly, maybe after a week or ten days, increase the tempo in 5-10 points. I began faster but I saw that I lost control and that in a piece so technically demanding I had to do it in other ways more accurate. Within a month? I´m planning months lol
Take all the time you need, that’s exactly how you should do it! 👌🏻 Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
@ Sorry I did not see your response. Thanks for your answer. Practicing this stude so much almost caused me a tendinitis in the right hand or something. My hand did not feel normal 😁🤦♂It´s not carpal tunnel because I don´t have the symptons, but now I´m taking it in easy. Just playing it very slow now and then so that I don´t forget what I learnt but giving my hand a rest. This etude is not hard in the sense of that it´s difficult to learn it, but playing it fast with the perfect tecnique and without tension is the problem and the key.
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Would it be worth an intermediate piano player learning this piece at a slower tempo?
When do you think somebody should start learning chopin studies?
Hi Danae.....would you practice Op.25 no12 the same as this etude or with hands together? What tips do you have for no12?
I would practice the first exercises separately, but then the 2-bar-sections in half and full tempo with both hands together.
Fantastic! As an amateur I probably don't live long enough to learn to play in that final tempo you use. I have struggled some years with op10 #3 but it is still not floating. Hard work and harder the older you are. Anyway, good to have fun during the path.
I wounder how professional pianists take care of their fingers. It would be a disaster to have a finger damaged so you couldn't place for some days. Sometimes I get the outside of the right thumb acing. Probably because it touches the left key when doing downwards arpeggios and not using the correct position of the wrist. Sometimes the fifth fingers could ace because they have been too straight and not bent enough when pushing the keys. How can a professional pianist play for hours in practice or consert without damaging any finger. Is it only a question of relaxation. Relaxation I have understood is very important. In the beginning it is very difficult and almost impossible. The more you play and practice the easier it gets.
Maybe a tip to talk about in a video of yours is how to treat your fingers and hands as a professional. Nails not too short or long, exercises to perform outside the piano, good to strengthen the hand muscles by digging in the garden but not too much, use fingertip papertape if you haven't practiced for a while and lost the extra skin on the fingertips, etcetera. Regards /Henrik
Thanks so much! It always makes me very happy to encounter auch dedicated amateur pianists that are working towards improving their technique in order to make music with many different kinds of pieces. Keep going, that’s so wonderful! And yes, op. 10 no. 3 isn’t an easy one either. 😉 Thanks for the video idea, I will definitely add it to my list! 🤗
It really is about developping the brain perception of your body involved in piano playing. Much of piano playing is about muscle memory and the ability to create them. It is as much a study of the human learning process than the instrument itself. You have to learn to learn. Flexibility is crucial but comes from good practice. Progress depends very much on the type of brain activity you have while practicing. Nothing will miraculously be learned by osmosis over time, you have to develop a conscious intent of learning bit by bit and monitoring how your brain and body is learning. Regularity in practice is the most important.
No special care is needed for fingers. If anything pianists hands are stronger than normal.
Thanks a lot!!
These advices are gold for me!! ❤️
🙏🏻 so happy to hear this, thank you! 🙏🏻
I somehow am learning this just from teaching my self the basic music theory
From basic music theory to Chopin studies - love that! ;) Thanks for watching!
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Q: Would you recommend transposition into other keys?
Any tips to release tension and fatigue while playing this etude?
I would say to
1) make sure that your left hand is completely relaxed while holding the octaves so that there is no extra tension translarinf into your right hand.
2) move your body with your right hand to make the hand position as easy as possible.
3) use some of the high notes (5th finger) as “release points” in which your wrist quickly releases any built-up tension through a short forward motion.
Hope this helps! :-)
Hi Danae. Thank you for your advice. I have a question on the page 2 (bar n°15 --D,G,D,E). How I must rotate my hand? because when I increase the tempo I lose my hand position.Ty
I would suggest not to stiffen your wrist and stay in the same position, but focus on the rotation and fluid movement in order to manage to play this passage. When I play, my wrist kind of goes down while playing G and then more to the right while playing D and E. Hope this helps!
@ Thank you so much! Best wishes from Spain
These are great exercises and I have been working diligently on them. But I have found that I can only practice this etude for a limited time every session. My wrists and arm muscles reach a limit where I can't play effectively any more. My limit is ~ 10 minutes at most, then I have to stretch, relax, rest, try again, or move on to a different piece. I thought at first that I would build strength and ease of playing with repetition. But it hasn't happened yet (I've been working on it several months, and have it memorized.) I do not have this problem with other music. I can practice Bach, Mozart sonatas, and Beethoven for long periods - no problem. I keep a relaxed flexible wrist. Do concert pianists ever have this problem with music that pushes your technical limits? It would be great if you could do a session on how to address this kind of challenge in practicing.
Yes, if something is technically very demanding and requires extreme strength from your hands, this can happen. I think you are doing the right thing exactly! As soon as you feel tired, stretch, rest, relax, then try again. It will improve with time. Another important aspect is to practice with a positive mental mindset. This can also drastically change your practicing experience.
@ Thanks for the tips! I like your suggestion about a positive attitude. It is hard sometimes when progress feels slow - when you can "hear" it in your head, but your hands can't keep up. So, I'll try to practice looking at what I *can* do.
@ That was a useful answer for me as well. Being positive and enjoying your practice time seems crucial in making progress i found.
@@highharmonics I have not reached the tempo yet but i am a bit more ahead of you, i remember the time when my experience was exactly yours. If I could have talked to myself back that time, i would say that is normal and will go away as you start to become more aware of the articulations and muscle needed to relax the hand (wrist, elbow and shoulder not just fingers). For now your brain has too many parameters to and does not know which path to choose to relax muscles best. Your work should be to make it more clear to your brain what the possibilities are by playing the arpeggios in various dynamics and rhythms. Can you play all the rhythm she proposed very slowly or is that too difficult ? if you cannot you need to memorize the jumps and be able to play the whole piece slowly without mistakes. Also you are on the right path if you can hear every note slowly but are unable to play them without mistake. That is a corrected stage of learning this piece.
Hello Danae, I'm a little confused, do you connect the fifth and the thumb (closed hand) or you are just jumping to the next position? It seems that you re not using wrist as much but only fingers is that right? Because I saw Lisitsa video and her wrist is like always moving down and up.
I am connecting the fifth and the thumb, however just as you said, mainly by using fingers and not so much the wrist. Both techniques (with and without wrist) are totally possible, but for me personally, focusing on fingers only makes it easier.
@ I see, so according to the finger thecnique do you split the thumb or just stay straight?
No I don’t split, I stay straight.
@ But your pinky is spliting right?
@@mohanshawcellist sorry, only just saw your comment. Yes exactly, the pinky is splitting! :)
Danae, what is the difference between an opus and an etude?
The opus is the „work“ of the composer and often also serves as a cataloguing help of all their pieces. An etude is a composition that is geared towards further developing technical abilities on the instrument. :)
@ you are the best, thank you!
Tempo mark Quaver note = 176. There are so many strict tempo in Chopin Etude Op 10 no 1 and Op 10 no 2 and Op 10 no 4 and Op 10 no 5 and Op 10 no 7 and Op 10 no 8 and Op 10 no 9 and Op 10 no 10 and Op 10 no 11 and Op 10 no 12 and Op 25 no 1 and Op 25 no 2 and Op 25 no 3 and Op 25 no 4 and Op 25 no 5 and Op 25 no 6 and Op 25 no 8 and Op 25 no 9 and Op 25 no 10 and Op 25 no 11 and Op 25 no 12. polish original Chopin Etude Their fast tempo presto are 176, 144, 176, 116, 88, 176, 96, 152, 76, 160, 104, 112, 120, 160, 184-168-184, 138, 138, 112, 144-120-144, 138, 160.
Thank you so much for sharing the information here!
Should all the notes be played legato? I have seen some ytebers in the descending runs actually shifting the hand rather than playing them all legato?
For me, some of the chords are not possible to be played legato completely, so I would also agree that the handshift is necessary!
Hi, my hand only can reach 8th, is possible to play this?
Hi! Yes, absolutely. I think that as long as you can reach an octave, you should be able to play this study. I have also made a whole video on hand span and how to increase it, which you can check out here: ruclips.net/video/m31AJwDNqEQ/видео.html
Hope this helps! :)
@ Thank you so much.
Although, undoubtedly, Chopin's etudes are very useful and artistically brilliant, they still lack some fundamental building blocks.
First of all, fast repeated notes techniques are missing. You need some complementary exercises from Czerny or Liszt (La Campanella) to fill that hole.
Secondly, this collection still very much focuses on right hand techniques. Though 'Revolutionary' and 'Cello' are introduced to put a bandage on the wound, they are still not solid enough.
Yes, adding some other studies to the mix will definitely help you cover all of the technical difficulties of piano playing. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻