The Great Betrayal: Lord Howth and the Flight of the Earls
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- What does Howth have to do with the Flight of the Earls? Most people would say very little. Yet there is a strong connection. In 1607 Christopher St Lawrence, 9th Baron Howth, betrayed to the English government a conspiracy of Irish Catholic lords. Among the lords he named were Rory O'Donnell and Hugh O'Neill. These largely unfounded accusations triggered Hugh O’Neill into the disastrous decision to flee Ireland in September 1607. Having been summoned to London, O'Neill was afraid James had turned against him. It was a disastrous decision. Christopher St Lawrence thus played a fundamental in one of the turning points in Irish history. Yet this is something that has gone mostly unremembered - indeed there does not seem to be a mention of it in the various histories of Howth Castle, seat of the St Lawrences.
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References
Clavin, Terry. "St Lawrence, Sir Christopher." Dictionary of Irish Biography
Kerney Walshe, Micheline. Destruction by Peace: Hugh O'Neill after Kinsale. 1986
McCavitt, John. The Flight of the Earls 2002
Morgan, Hiram. The Battle of Kinsale 2004
Just makes me dislike the upper class and lords all the more. Go the common people
Check out Christopher St lawrence's grandfather... www.dib.ie/biography/st-lawrence-christopher-a8219 Originally I was going to mention him but the video got too long...
Thanks for the coffee. I will put it to good use!
22:08 The very exact same all over the world/ The nature of man makes it always so even in the modern liberal Democracies.And the governments now having the most incredible invasive means of surveillance at their fingertips will make it like 1984.Think Starmer and Helen McEntee for starter's 😮😁
Having lived a lot time outside Ireland, in a Latin America country which had a brutal dictatorship until the mid 1980s, and knowing people who were tortured or who had friends who were disappeared, I have a more positive view of Ireland than when I was growing up in the 1980s. Yes, there are problems with the Gardai, but compared to the British police (and indeed, those of most other European countries), they are a reasonable police force. New technologies have brought in new means of surveillance you are right, but companies are using these to track us more than the Irish government. That being said, I know in Britain the amount of cameras is frightening. Still looking back at literature from Germany or Russia in the 1930s/40s (or Spain or Portugal), and the valley of the squinting windows, we still have considerable freedoms here....
@@forasfeasa thank you for your reply: I’m over eighty and I was in many places worldwide, including active service south east Asia. I was just pointing out the clear and present danger to all the freedoms that we have in liberal democracies .We don’t march in many thousands screaming death, death over a cartoon or a book,We don’t even give a squeak when hundreds of young girls are passed around like meat by grooming gangs from a different culture.And, that’s why I believe we are f….d.and the protected classes ( with the forceful assistance of our woke governments) will
Increasingly wipe their boots in our faces.We are too civilised.They will riot violently for any excuse.Think for a moment that all those people who travel by civilian aircraft must be at war with someone!!!! Else why all the tight security at airports worldwide, Surely that must be a phobia. Unless of course someone is at war with all those millions of harmless men women and children that fly in planes. Europe is f….d too little to late.The enemy is within the walls.cheers
Another excellent video! I’m too broke but when I get myself a job I’ll have to donate…
Thank you very much... Good luck with the job search
Greetings from Cambodia, Howth a place close to my heart originally from "peasant land" in Raheny. Then lived in Baydolye after studies in Scotland and lastly in "Methane Mansions" so within walking distance of Howth. With many's' a pint scooped in various Howth hosteleries from the Summit to the harbour.
Never knew this aspect of the local history.
What would be your take on the "Grace O'Malley" legend associated with Howth castle's gates and dining tradition?
Hi Declan, thanks for the question. I am slightly sceptical about. In part because I am 16th century specialist and most of what we 'know' about Grainne Ni Maille dates from the 19th century. For example, she was never referred to as a pirate queen in her lifetime and although she went to London, probably did not have an audience with Elizabeth (and certainly not in the way it is commonly described. When researching this video I tried to find out about this legend. But did not find out anything conclusive. My feeling is that Grainne may have visited the castle and this got transformed into the legend... But it is something I am interested in finding more about. :-)
I spent holidays on the Howth Estate , my uncle worked there and my grandpa before him.
Grace O Malley supposedly visited there and was turned away and put a curse on them, thus they always laid an extra setting at the table. Type in Grace O Malley and it will come up. There is Grace O Malley Rd in Howth too, my cousin lives there. GReat memory on you tube eh
@@helendeegan1591 Very nice!
@@helendeegan1591 The problem is supposedly. Much of what is said about Grainne Ni Mallie/Grainuaile (and most figures from the time) is made up. A lot was made up in the 19th century, but loads at the time. The story about her and Howth castle is well known, but I am searching for real evidence. She is also supposed to have kidnapped one of the St lawrence children in revenge for not being invited in.
Thanks very much for this very interesting video.
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching and I am glad you watched it
Wow! That was brilliant sir, subscribed 🇮🇪☘
Thank you very much. Thanks for the subscription!
As a teenager wandering by howth castle it always reminded me of an unplanned hodge podge of buildings stuck up when the family had money and needed more space
I think you have described it accurately. The old castle is hidden in there, but it is surrounded by all the other buildings put up afterwards
The Earls Where they get that Title weren't they Irish Landlords with Huge Estates why the sympathy
More than earls they were the leaders of Gaelic Ulster. They had a lot of land, especially O'Neill, but his removal resulted in the end of Gaelic Ireland and in the Plantation of Ulster. O'Neill had great political skill which benefitted (even indirectly) most Gaelic Irish. He was also very popular with his own people. Looked at very crudely, once English law came in the basic punishment for everything was basically execution, as well as other problems. The removal of O'Neill and the mistakes of other lords resulted in the Plantation of Ulster, 1641, and the Confederate/Cromwellian wars. If O'Neill had not been persecuted and had not fled, Ireland would have followed a lot less bloody path - Gaelic culture would probably have survived better, maybe even the Irish language. The Flight of the Earls was a disaster as it pushed Ireland along a colonial route. Their titles are irrelevant, it is the politics and what came afterwards that matters.
Thannk you . Would love to hear about the connections between Howth and the Fianna ,of Fionn Mac Cumhaill fame . Behind the hotel , at Howth Castle , there is a dolmen called The Druids Grave , rumoured to have associations with the Fianna .
Thanks Olan, I wanted to film there, but wasn't sure where it was. I know I was close, but ran out of time. But thanks for the idea for a future video. Actually one of my next videos will be about the Fianna, but in Ventry, Kerry and the Battle of Cath Fionntra. Next time I get up to Dublin, I will have to film in Howth and other places in Dublin associated with Fionn.
Where I come from, there is a dolmen and local "historians" go about how it's Conall Golban's (son of Niall of the nine hostages) grave. We were even thought it in school. Thing is the timeline is way off as these structures predate the celts coming to ireland and were already ancient by that time.
@@adrianred236 It is the same in South Kerry. Around Ballinskelligs Bay, there are various stone rows and dolmens, all are said to be the graves of various of the sons of Mil or the wife of Amergin. Of course they all predate the arrival of the Gaelic people by over a thousand years. It just shows how the Gaelic people used this places for their mythology. I find this interesting and did a video 2 years ago or so on it (The Song of Amergin I think it is called)
This is it ruclips.net/video/xisnZ02ncTo/видео.html
As a child , I was put off Irish history as it seemed to be one long unending tale of betrayels and failures.
To be honest, this is the history of most countries :-)
The problem with Ireland is that it never had a Central Government or King. Ireland had King Brian Boru, but that was it.
Because Ireland was made up of little Warlords, the English could always side with one Warlord or another. The real reason the Irish Warlords or Irish Royality is they wanted a seat on the English Court. The English didn't want the Irish on their Court is because the Irish Royals are treacherous.
The English capitalized on Irish treacherous to get a foothold in Ireland.
The Irish Royals probably left Ireland, because the English paid them off.
Comh bhrónach, 😭
an-bhrónach.... agus agus éiríonn sé níos measa... 1641, Cromwell, etc....
@@forasfeasa oh tá a fhois game faraor! 😞 Maith thú ar aon nós! Coimead suas é! GRMA! 👍
Tá failte romhat Daniel (Domhnall?). Níl Gaeilge mhaith agam anois ach táim ag foghlaim arís. Ba mhaith liom video a dhéanamh as Gaeilge an bhliain seo chugainn - faoi faoi Domnhnall O Connaill agus an Ghaeilge... :-)
@@forasfeasa Danny más maith leat! 👍 Ah well fair play duit! Níl Gaeilge foirfe agam in aon chur comh maith ach b'fhear liom Gaeilge briste ná béarla cliste mar a deireann an seanfhocal! 😅 Maith thú, táim ag súil leis!
@@TheDanieldineen Go raibh maith agat. Tá mo Gaeilge an-bhriste!! :-)
People are People 😢
Good point... people are people and confusing at the best of times :-)
A rat 🐀
I think he was mentally unstable. Still he did a great deal of damage
Sound ?
Is it not working?
It sounded ok to me when I uploaded it, but if it is problematic, I can change it. Thanks for letting me know
@@forasfeasa Sound is very low here in ont, Canada
@@forasfeasa Quite the opposite. It's so loud that RUclips has normalised the volume and compressed it for me as a desktop viewer. If this viewer is on mobile/tablet it may be even more aggresively compressed, add to that the speech is almost entirely in the left channel and on a phone with stereo speakers or bluetooth ear buds it could be a rather quiet experience xD
@@kiri101 Thanks. I recorded this using my son's equipment (without his help as he lives far away). However, I think I may have done something wrong this time....
Great video. Thanks so much. Lynn in Naples Fl 😎 24:50
Thanks Lynn. Glad you liked it. Could I ask if the sound was ok for you?