I tried to FAKE my way through LA GRANGE live on drums..Bad Idea!
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-I tried to FAKE my way through LA GRANGE live on drums..Bad Idea!
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As a bassist I also learned the hard way that Dusty Hill’s playing is 100% feels and groove and no amount of cleverness or chops can replace The Groove.
Groove baby, groove.
I knew a bass player who turned up his nose at what he called "pulse players" ... but he could never master the beat, or pulse, or even count phrases.
Those first several ZZ Top albums are just incredible, tones and groove
Their synth stuff is awesome, too.
Apart from La Grange, my first introduction to Frank's playing was Fandango. The groove and syncopation on those tracks are fantastic and the drums were very up front. I felt that a lot of the later stuff was a little too laid back on the drum side for my liking.
Yeah. Very Unique.
@@bumziganimho they had to choose between playing like that or paying the bills. they went for the latter and i can't blame them.
I taught this song at my School Of Rock and it’s one of the hardest drum grooves to get right and have that feel. Frank Beard is definitely underrated as a drummer.
Started drumming now in December, played guitar for 14 years beforehand. Thought ZZ Top was gonna be a fun and easy introduction to it. Turns out that no, no it’s not!
Pick up some Danny Carey drum tracks if you want super hard lol
Hell to me when I was a beginner everything (tool songs) were impossible. Now I'm actually taking my time with the guitar and trying to learn those odd time sigs
@@jamesbates9038 Danny is the greatest drummer of the century. When I try learning his parts, I break them down into tiny bits; learn the hi-hat pattern first and jam on it by filling in your own kick and snare for a long while before moving onto the rest.
I'm so in love with those "Swiss triplets" ( or whatever they're called) that he always plays on the ride and hats.
da-da ding, da-da ding, da-da ding da-da-da.
I could play them all day. 🤣
Also: Years ago, Danny's website had a recommended reading section, and one book was an old teacher's workbook - "Four-Way Coordination" 👍 I got a copy back in 2005 and I'm _still_ using it.
Some songs are easier. Sharp Dressed Man and Give Me All Your Lovin' are both fun and relatively easy.
"Hi! Welcome to Art of Guitar! Here I am behind the drum kit..."
That is so Spinal Tap, dude.
Without the spontaneous combustion, thankfully.
“There’s a fine line between clever… and stupid.”
Hope this video was recorded in Dubly
Everything you need to know about how badass Frank Beard, is all on the song "Heard it on the X". He is absolutely legit. I'm a huge extreme metal fan and a death metal drummer. Mr. Beard is filthy and more people need to recognize that.
Those first 4 albums are what I imagine ZZ Top is all about.
I agree with the X groove.
The studio side of Fandango is monster to me.
Blue Jean Blues best blues tune ever recorded.
Seconded!
"El Diablo" eliminates 99.99 percent of drummers.
Hell yeah
I find that rythem section players who are consistent and have a support mindset are usually better for a song and mix than ones that try to be fancy.
rhythm
you can't do fancy in a professional situation if the consistent/support stuff isn't firmly in place
I'm a bassist and that is the mindset that got me into a lot of bands, it also got invited to play/jam with a lot of cool dudes/bands.
I always it it like this:
Drums: skeleton
Bass: heart
Rhythm guitar: skin
Lead guitar: face, voice, eyes
Well I guess vocals could be "voice" lol but I'm just trying to describe the function of the instruments as perceived by the listener. To me, the guitar sings and the vocals accompany but I'm someone that doesn't particularly care about vocals.
True🎼🤘🏻
Texas shuffle - simple yet difficult to maintain without some serious practice.
Coming back to the beat too early after a fill AKA the Lars Ulrich special
I agree with your assessment. Frank Beard is a master shuffle player and I always found it a pain in the ass to cop his parts for ZZ covers. Great player
I swear I'm a decent drummer. I can play stuff that sounds wayyy harder. Zz top just messes me up. Oh well I will just listen and enjoy
Dude, I’m a guitar player that just bought a drum set, and still haven’t finished the floor Tom.
What I have put together of the kit I’ve sat down and fooled around with, and was instantly humbled. Drumming is much harder than it looks.
Start with the high hat, snare, and bass. Leave everything else in the box. Look up open hand technique. If you do that you will get good fast. Every other drum and cymbal is a distraction. If you can't make those three pieces work together, you can't handle the others. I have played for almost 30 years and still step it back to a three piece quite often.
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Oh, your description of how you felt playing a bad shuffle is perfect. I know that feeling well.
Frank beard has never got the credit he deserves.
Nice effin' work Mike. As a guitarist i love hearing drums played in the right way. It makes all the difference. 🤘
That left handed shuffle is also standard in Chicago blues.
ZZ is like ACDC and the Beatles. Seems easy until you try to do it.
Amazing break down man!!! Great playing and drum sound!!!
I'm a guitarist and like to play drums. I jumped on stage at a bar gig to play drums for Ramble On, having never played it. I over played, but it went surprisingly well and I got some high fives after. Lucked out. The story was very different at a party trying to play Oh Darling from the Beatles... haha. Good times, bad times
I was playing drums in a working ban in the 80s and I have to admit I would struggle Finding the pocketOn these various Shuffle rhythms. My hands seem to be fine but the fitting of my bass d notes it's what I had to learn.
I love this channel. Mike, if you're ever in the deep woods of Alabama definitely stop and jam with us.
I’ve seen exactly TWO drummers play the shuffle groove for Tush correctly (feel, pocket, chops)…in 40 years. The irony is that everyone thinks that song is ‘easy’.
It aint what you think it is, folks.
I'm the drummer in a ZZ TOP tribute band and Frank Beard's drum parts aren't easy. He just makes it look easy.
I’ve watched a jillion local drummers play La Grange at cover band gigs. It’s astounding how almost none of them nail the fills, considering those are the most recognizable and entrenched in everyone’s memory. You don’t have to play a cover tune EXACTLY like the original record, but you have to know what bits are absolutely required or you’re relegated to “lame dad rock” in the eyes of your crowd. I live in Houston, so - I am not lyin’
Lowdown In The Street is another 70’s ZZ Top song with a really hard groove to get used to especially if you’re not very good at ghost notes and hand/finger stick control like me
Bun e. Carlos with cheap trick does a similar left hand shuffle but slower. It’s like a Texas shuffle but slower. Takes a lot of practice to stay in time.
Good video. Those DWs sound great. Especially the ring on the floor tom
When I was first learning to play drums, I thought (incredibly naively) that I could just play along to my favorite ZZ Top albums - because, hey, how hard can it be? Haha. Man, I learned quick... I had no idea what was happening and instantly started respecting Frank Beard's playing. The dude can groove with the best of them. I especially love his drumming on the Fandango album - absolutely killer!
You did a great job explaining the groove here Mike! I only wish this kind of video was around 20 years ago!
Nice self analysis. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Kit sounds great my guy. I can pick up a couple of helpful things here, thanks for the upload.
If you listen closely to the album, Frank drops a stick coming back in from the breakdown then lands right back in. Crazy recovery
Your drums (more specifically your toms) sound so good, Mike
In these drum lessons you've been highlighting your weakness when it comes to playing fast tempos on the righthand. I'm a drummer mainly for me it clicked when i turned my wrist so that thumb is on top and fingers under the stick. By playing fast suffle (Bill Haley & Comets) i found a bounce there where i drop the stick to generate two hit's of the suffle. My wrist is so loose that the stick turns around and around in my hand when i play. I also kind of shake it while it's relaxed and my fingers are lifting the stick in some point like grabbing it again and again, loose - tight - loose - tight. I then found i was able to play really fast suffles over 200 bpm and then at lower speeds i began to straighten it out and found a way to play those swinging half suffle straight 8th notes really fast, first 180bpm then 200 bpm and over while completely relaxed. If you look the video of Ringo playing Act Naturally Live you can see his right hand is in similar position. Thumb on top and fingers and loose wrist shake doing the work. Also you want to play the straight 8th notes with slight suffle. If you think it in your head like "ti ti ti ti" like drum machine straight it will couse you to take the impact into your arms. Listen to Ringo's ride cymbal on The Beatles - Slow Down. It's almost suffle! It's like "tii ti tii ti tii ti tii ti" if you add that little swing to your fast 8th notes they are lot easier and looser to play. Your hand makes like a small S pattern playing. For me this is all in the muscle memory now but i remember the break through when i could suddenly play 180bpm without getting tired. This is also about playing more "from the cymbal" not beating into it. If you think feminine and masculine try to play from the middle with the bounce from the cymbal + relaxed hit. I'm really great at this on drums but i really suck at guitar down picking i wish someday i could transfer this to the guitar but i guess i was ment to play drums. Here's one bonus tip. Think the 8th notes like jumping on a hard floor, if you don't bend from your knees to lessen the impact that's when you gonna hurt your self, you have to add that bounce this is the same thing on drums when you add little amount of swing/suffle into your eightnotes. It's hard to play completely straight for us humans titititititi tiititiititiititiiti. The beats become more wide, there's wider area you can lay down every hit and don't have to overthink and stiff up or hit every beat intentionally hard. Well this was some of my drum philosophy. I saw your Phill Rud and Ringo videos. I hope you see this and try out and maybe you get to open that 170-220 bpm area. Sinenkaari Finland
Hey the version of Slow Down i'm talking is the Live at BBC one!
That kit sounds great!
Good video sir. Enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.
I would love to hear you take of the 3rd drum break where the entire band seems to drop a 16th. At least in the 2005 remastered version.
Nice video! Your drum sound is GREAT 🤘 I appreciate your humility..... I've done the save thing, only the drummer sang the song. It's a lot different when you "try" something out at practice as opposed to playing the whole song live LOL
Great sounding kit.....nicely done.
It’s not easy finding a drummer who plays shuffles well. That’s a problem when most guitar players start by learning blues progressions.
"My drummer "?😅
Drummer went to the bathroom, this guy (his buddy) jumped on the kit
the call back!
Frank's grooves are deceptively solid.
If I ever had to "think" about what I was playing, i knew I shouldn't play it in front of people. Sure, maybe you have to think about sticking a certain fill, or a time change, but in general whatever I was playing live I could play in my sleep. Had too many life experiences with in-ears not working, PA's suiciding themselves, losing random instrument amplification, etc. Hell, I was at a gig once and we blew the main fuse - but drums are the only instrument you can still hear when the power is out LOL.
ZZ Top is one of those bands like the Beatles. The drums may sound easy, but as soon as you try to play it you quickly realize that it is no joke and the groove is unreal. They also have some of the best sounding/produced bass guitar I have ever heard!
Excellent break down of those beats, shuffles, and grooves. Frank Beard is one of the most underrated drummers in rock and southern rock music. That being said, I’m sure when you sat in years ago, it sounded just fine to everyone who wasn’t a drummer. I’m a self taught hack drummer and even I could probably fake my way through it in front of a bunch of happy drunk people!
Texas Shuffles and their variants are a great way to frustratie myself very quickly.. been practicing for a while and slowly something musically is happening. Damn that lazy left hand 😂
Oh god, you did the "it's funny his name is beard" thing. Such a sad old played out joke.
you a bag of laughs arn't you!
For the intro fill, you coul stick it as (L) RLL RLL RLL RLR. That way, you get two hits on the rack, and one on the floor tom at the end.
The greatest line from the ZZ Top documentary was when Frank Beard said they got there first real taste of success and money, and he found out “I really liked heroin“. Hahahaha. He is a very underrated drummer and seems like a good dude.
Hah, dang. Glad he made it through that journey.
I think that alot of people who only know the hits from Eliminator are unaware of just how great a drummer Frank is because, compared to his early work, the drumming on that album is pretty basic. But he is a fantastic drummer. Highly underratted. The first gig I ever went to was ZZ Top in the RDS in Dublin when I was 14. Now, 40 years later, I still have fond memories of that day. I went by myself and got adopted by a motorcycle gang for the day. Frank Beard had apparently been drinking back stage before the gig and he was so drunk that he had to be helped onstage and on to the drum riser. He got behind that kit and played perfectly. No sloppiness at all!
That kit sounds great
I had similar problems as a teen learning this song for a cover band. I could play a shuffle beat, but this particular song has such a smooth flow, it can be difficult to get it right. It's deceptively more difficult than it comes off as, which is a testament to Frank Beard, who I've always thought was fairly underrated.
Your drum sound is A+
Frank has been a major influence to me!
At 3:17, If you play that fill using doubles, it gets pretty easy to do the two tom hits followed by the floor tom: Play the snare - hi-hat section with the right hand on the snare and the left on the hi-hat: RLR RLR RLR. Accent on the first of each triplet "pack" helps to give the fill a nice feel. Now, the end of the fill ends up with RLL R, with the first snare hit on the right hand, the two tom hits on the left hand and the floor tom hit is on the right hand. Accent on both right hand hits to keep the feel going. No crossover and plenty of time to switch between drums thanks to the doubles.
Ha, ha, haaa! Going through ANY shuffle if you are not prepaired is a bad idea. The cramps in the hands comes fairly quick. And doing La Grange the way you did... well. Worse idea. Now, I have played La Grange when I was younger and could keep up with most shuffles (I mostly played the blues). But I still played it wrong. How Beard plays it, is the left hand is doing the actual shuffle, and the right hand only keeps the beat. Tricky stuff. I did it the other way, with the shuffle on the highhat. Now when I know better is why I laugh - at both of us. 😂 Nice of you to be so honest! It is a "bad" groove in the best way - only to play shuffle with both hands is hard enough.
Your bad version is what I'd love to be able to do one day.
Now that you'd pointed it out in an actual whole video, I do hear you say "my drummer" in this one 😂
And what an interesting breakdown of that song's drum patterns! I'd never picked up on their complexity before! 🤯 I'm a drummer myself, but that would be next-level to me 😅
By the way, it also sounds like Beard starts off with playing the quarter notes on the Ride cymbal, before switching to the Hi-hats when the singing resumes 🙂
Great video, Mike! And I'm impressed with your drumming skills, too!
😊👍
This track is a good lesson in ghost notes. If you really want to punch up the dynamics in that snare pattern.
Frank is a Chicago Shuffle master. Everybody always thought he was a simple drummer...until they try and cover him. His only down side is that he is a one trick pony. He is a Chicago style drummer and that is the beginning and end of it.
Charlie Watts with an American accent bro.
Heard It On The X, or Backdoor Love Affair from Fandango. Beard was a beast back then.
Helluva groove
Here’s a simple, but fun challenge-
If you were the guitarist how would you have adjusted your playing to fit your drumming?
Might try it myself. I had a drummer who preferred a steady stream of alcohol throughout gigs… and by midnight, he kept us on our toes lol.
Dude, you gotta check out the Tejas album. Franks's drumming is wild on that record.
2:05 That dude rules!
i saw Billy Gibbons do this live recently with the Jim Irsay band and that was the first time I realized the left hand was doing all the work.
I’ve heard it played both ways……the way you played it sounded exactly like one of their live versions.
I drum too. Played a fill i heard in my head, half way through, my hands went; "WTF". Came out of it with the kick on the 2 and snare on the 1. Whoa!! We're playing backwards. Of course, Dave Robinson does that on purpose for a couple bars of "Just What I Needed".
Thanks for all the variations. I was thinking tuplet on hat, kick snare, like you. When you played it in final analysis, it sounded dragging - really needs the constant snare to drive it. That's why Frank gets the big bucks!! Ü ♫
Dusty said his audition was shuffle in C for 3 hours straight.
have worked on that one as well, it is super tough to get the left hand up to speed (if you're a righty)
LaGrange is an interesting song as to my ear it seems to have this backbeat, at least for the guitar where the 'upstroke' seems to be the focus of the rhythm. I'm no drummer, but I can only imagine that if it's not your forte, it would definitely be a song to throw you for a loop.
Hey Mike, thanks for the great video, again. I have some advice for other youtube music creators, dont post comments with links to your own music, many times. I did, on this channel, and i got banned. I am sorry to you Mike, i didnt realise this would be counted as spam. I didnt post multiple times in same thread, just once in a video to promote myself. So i lost all my uploads and subscribers, thanks to the nice people at youtube. Not that i had many, it was only 60 or so, i am small time. Still, it was my passion and i have lost what i had now. I had to create a new channel. So dont do what i did is my advice. I will start again.
Man ZZ Top are the coolest dudes. When I was in high school I worked at a pizza place delivering pizzas ( mid 80s ) and Frank lived in the neighborhood we serviced. If he was in town it was a Friday night medium pepperoni pizza. He had the coolest blue or turquoise Ferrari. Just the nicest coolest bad ass dude. And man their sound , love ZZ
My bro, you don't understand...
This is what I do every time I play drums
Congrats on 865k Subscribers! This is awesome! I love ZZ Top. I loved that they were in Back to the Future 3. I have some core memories of seeing their Eliminator era videos on the music video channels on TV growing up. Might have to spin some ZZ after this 🙂 🤘🔥
It's very difficult! Much harder than it sounds.
I tried to put together a ZZ Top tribute band several years ago, and it turned out to be damn near impossible. For one, we could not find any local drummers who were capable of playing a decent Texas shuffle. Second issue was that even ZZ Top doesn’t sound like ZZ Top sounds on a studio track when you see them live. There are tons of overdubbed guitar parts on lots of their hits and even THEY can’t replicate that in a live setting. I eventually got booted from that group after I made it apparent that we, as a tribute band, didn’t sound like anything more than a cover band doing ZZ songs.
The guy at 2:02 LMAO🤣
My uncle (RIP) played in a Jazz band for over 60 years with his friends, and it was their drummer who pointed me at Frank Beard and ZZ Top, stating him as the most under rated drummer he knew of, and mind you, he was a really good drummer, not just Jazz but pretty much anything, and he had a deep love for Rock, being able to play most of John Bonham's parts in Led Zeppelin.
So he was no average drummer, and even if he looked up to people like John Bonham and Mike Portnoy, it was Frank Beard he really had a soft spot for.
He'd even joke that Frank had to be a Jazz drummer in his former life, because that man can groove like no other.
He used to play ZZ Top songs in rehearsal whenever he had the chance, together with the Bassist and Guitarist who also were fans, "just to get into the groove" as he stated it.
I often sat in at these rehearsals, enjoying the fun they had and the musicianship they shared, and they made me fall in love with ZZ Top.
This was long before ZZ Top hit it really big with their hits like "Sharp Dressed Man" "Gimme al your Loving" and "Legs", and he gave me copies of "Tres Hombres", "Fandango", and "Rio Grande Mud", i still have those tapes because they are special to me, obviously i've replaced them with the actual albums over the years.
So yeah, do not sleep on Frank Beard, the man is a groove machine who makes it look simple, but what he does is anything but simple.
Rule of thumb, if it sounds easy, it most likely is difficult, Frank is a prime example of that, i've seen countless cover bands play ZZ Top songs and all pretty much had to give it their own spin because they simply cannot repeat what Frank does, some came close, but noone i heard.. could "rival" Frank.
I think what he is playing is the Texas Shuffle. I haven't done a comparison from the original recording to the one you sourced of him playing in recent times, but 'I think' he has evolved the groove over the years. That the original was more 'straight'.
Mike pretending he used to be a mere mortal 😂
play to an entire album of Canned heat and you'll pick up on some nasty shuffle grooves
Love the closing tip. That can be applied to most things in life. And Mike, don't be so hard on yourself. You did a great job judging by the examples you gave. You strive for excellence which is admirable. Keep in mind tho', most of the time, people will have a few drinks in them and are probably being rude by talking over everything being played.
I was thinking while watching, perhaps do a comparison of the drum intro of La Grange and Hot For Teacher. I'm sure Alex was inspired by Frank on this one. Sit down Waldo!
I played Sharp Dressed Man on drums as part of a soundcheck once, and I hadn't listened to it in quite sometime, and I'm also not a drummer so I got lost 3/4 through the song lol Was still cool, we turned it into a jam
Was hoping we'd see you play the whole song. 👍
Copyright.
Long time ago I suggested Cheap Sunglasses to our band. I showed up after a couple listens thinking it would be easy. No way. Beard has a groove that's hard to replicate.
Gotta hit that sweet spot when you're coming down from heroin to nail the Beard.
Since you're 1/3 of the way through ZZ Top players, how about getting into Dusty Hill's bass playing? He was amazing, the kind of fuzzy tone that gives the illusion of a second guitar, but still such a solid blues bass player.
Ya just have to spend a little time with Art Blakey and you got that groove in no time….
Frank Beard is great. Always thought it was funny in an ironic way; Frank Beard was the only member of ZZ Top that didn't have a beard. 😁
Full Chicago shuffle.
why not use the 1st tom, 2nd then floor?
I play La Grange much like 100 000 Years by Kiss with single notes on the high hat.
Man I feel you. I suck at shuffles
You are one of like 4 dudes total in the guitar groups the FB algorithm shows me posts from.
Muff / choke down that marching snare sound😊
I tried similar with my band. We played at...a party (what type of party, I'll let your imagination guide you, but it was an appro...err...the closest to appropriate place to this song), and we were going to do a cover of Hanky Panky by Madonna. It's a jazzy piano/bass/drum song, and our drummer was going to go to the front of the stage and duet with our lead vocalist. She was going to program the drum track, but since I can play drums a bit (it's a simple swing beat) and there's no guitar, I said, "Nah, I can play drums on that!" We didn't really rehearse it; we just did the practice at home thing. It was great and all, until I had to play *her* drum kit. I'm 8" taller than my drummer. I couldn't hit the snare right because my forearm kept hitting my knee because her snare was so low! It wasn't a *train wreck*, but yeah, practice on the equipment you're going to use.
I didn't know why I had anxiety watching this video while you made the right-left stickings but then I realized that the top camera is from the "audience" perspective and as a drummer that was messing with my brain 😅 good video nonetheless!
Chris Layton was King of the shuffle according to my dad i can imagine his stuff isn't as easy as it sounds. Especially not to mention having to adapt and work around SRV's very often out of the blue improvisations where he'd speed up or slow down or entirely change the dynamics of the sound of what was being played entirely. Philip sayce is the only other player I've ever seen that improvises seemingly more than SRV did even.
Been playing drums for 20 years, honestly, the bad version was not that bad. Its serviceable enough for a gig, the only thing that's noticeably botched about it is the fill.
Frank Beard is a great drummer but you have to be playing with Billy Gibbons, phenomenal guitarist and original bass player Dusty Hill who was no slouch. I used to play a lot of blues jams and old geezers would say do you know ZZ Top and I would say yeah thinking Eliminator and they would go into some obscure 1973 song like Jesus Just Left Chicago but over time playing different styles really improves your playing and there was always a free for all at the end where they played stuff like The Clash, Misfits, Pistols, The Undertones etc or as I like to call them the classics.
then he followed this song up with heard it on the x, which has some tough shuffling in it too.
Here's what I learned a long time ago...Frank Beard (like Phil Rudd) is an incredible drummer and if you think YOU have skills, try playing what Frank plays.
I have a great video of my friends band playing this song and the drums are on point. Lemme know if you want it!
They are well educated musicians, I've always heard
it's a proper texas shuffle..good shuffle players aren't common..John Coghlan..Mick Fleetwood..John Bonham..these are three well worth studying