Dont be a wanker - its going ahead ...the choice was the German F 124 or the top Japanese Mogami which are both front runners in the world and Aussies made the right decision
@ so i’m a wanker 😂😂😂😂you’re funny guy, well let’s just say i’ll believe it when they are tired up at the dock, in the meantime dude just calm down its only a point of view 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
*100% AI GENERATED BULLSHlT* Australia is in the process of building a fleet of Hunter Class Frigates based on the British BAE Systems Type 26 frigate. We have already started building them. This is 100% nonsense and misinformation. RUclips should immediately ban this channel.
*100% AI GENERATED BULLSHlT* Australia is in the process of building a fleet of Hunter Class Frigates based on the British BAE Systems Type 26 frigate. We have already started building them. This is 100% nonsense and misinformation. RUclips should immediately ban this channel.
Why the fuck we did not just continue the Hobart program is mystifying. The Hobarts are equal or more capable then the Hunters (and probably the proposed Mogami's) and cost half as much ($3.5B v $7B).
frigates play a crucial roll in every navy with several key roles, such as: 1. Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) : Frigates are equipped with sonar systems and anti-submarine weapons to detect and engage submarines, thus protecting larger vessels and coastal areas. 2. Anti-Air Warfare (AAW) : Many frigates have the capability to defend against aerial threats using surface-to-air missiles and radar systems to protect themselves and other ships in a fleet. 3. Surface Warfare : Frigates can engage other surface ships, utilizing guns and missiles to maintain maritime security and assert naval power. 4. Escort Duties : They often serve as escort vessels for larger ships, such as aircraft carriers and supply ships, providing protection against various threats. 5. Patrol and Surveillance : Frigates conduct maritime patrols to monitor shipping lanes and prevent illegal activities, such as piracy and smuggling. 6. Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief : In addition to combat roles, frigates can be deployed for humanitarian missions, providing aid and support during natural disasters. Australia hasn't abandoned the Hobart destroyers; in fact, they are planning to build three more, as I have heard. However, our submarine fleet and frigates are in desperate need of upgrades, so those will be prioritized.
@@cplbruiser8267 there is a million things wrong with our Government. The first thing that springs to my mind, is that we haven't been buying what the ADF needs in reality, but what Politicians want to look after their jobs. A good example of that is the F-35 and now this very stupid AUKUS agreement. Heck, for the price Oz paid for the F-35, we could have engineered and built the thing our bloody selves. Na, the last Defence Minister that knew what he was doing and actually gave a shit about Australian security, was Kym Beasley. He bought exactly the right gear we needed at the time. Since then, Prime Minister's and their Defence Ministers have been nothing but fucking Muppets.
Labor government promised 3 more Hobart destroyers to keep Australia working in Adelaide good 👍 idea we get these Japanese ships as well Japan is a close Allie.
*100% AI GENERATED BULLSHlT* Australia is in the process of building a fleet of Hunter Class Frigates based on the British BAE Systems Type 26 frigate. We have already started building them. This is 100% nonsense and misinformation. RUclips should immediately ban this channel.
Ee totally stuffed up last time not going with the Japanese subs they offered us and when with the french issues, hope the government is smarter this time and dont throw this back in Japans face, go with the Mogami not European.
Good idea . Interoperability / commonality with US and Japanese vessels and systems , We should also buy some conventionally powered Japanese subs quick time to bolster defence capabilities in and about the South China sea . We live in hope , not expectation .
*100% AI GENERATED BULLSHlT* Australia is in the process of building a fleet of Hunter Class Frigates based on the British BAE Systems Type 26 frigate. We have already started building them. This is 100% nonsense and misinformation. RUclips should immediately ban this channel.
The dopes we have sitting on their doughy behinds in parliament will, like every other opportunity, flap their mouths for months and screw the whole offer up. We’ve been there done that before…again and again and again….ad nauseam.
Why only up to 32 VLS? Surely in this day & age the missile is the main weapon and the more you got the more these ships could counter incoming enemy missiles.
@@GlobalDefenseCorp The Hunters only have 32 VLS also. The Hobarts have 48 VLS , are generally more capable and cost half as much as the fat stupid Hunters.
Hunter-class can launch Tomahawk cruise missile. These are more capable ships. Yes agree with you, we should have 64 cells in Hunter-class. Then question we have to ask, are we building frigates or destroyers?
@@GlobalDefenseCorp The Hobarts are being updated to enable them, amongst other things, to fire Tomahawks, as would any new Hobart if the ADF was smart enough to build them. Destroyer or Frigate, these days there is no difference. The Hunter frigates at 8,000 tonnes are actually larger then the Hobart Destroyers at 7,000 tonnes and cost twice as much with less fire power ... so what was your point ? The Hunters are like the conventional French subs ... a fools folly. A political purchase.
@@GlobalDefenseCorp The Hobarts are currently being upgrades to amongst other things be able to fire Tomahawks missiles & NSM's as would any new Hobarts if the ADF was smart enough to build them. Destroyer or frigate .... these days it's just a label. The Hunters are over 8.000 tonnes compared to the 7,000 tonne Hobarts, cost twice as much, take a lot longer to build and carry less payload. The purchase makes NO strategic sense; purely political. Now they are moving to a new ready to fail project in the Mogami's which I am betting will cost more than a new Hobart would and AGAIN carry less weapons.
The only issue is that they are unlikely to be fitted with sensors and other RAN specific equipment that is currently in service across the RAN and whole of fleet commonality is something that the RAN has been working towards for many years to make maintenance and upgrades easier to manage.
The Japanese speaker at the Navy exhibition said that it can be fitted with CEA FAR radar and will be fitted with mk41 32 cell VLS, which is standard if chosen. As for the Japanese SSM it could be a good mix with NSM since would give a mix of supersonic and near supersonic SSM's
I wonder if anyone has done a study involving the survivability of a large boat in an era satellites and long-range cruise or ballistic missiles. I would have thought they would be a sitting duck.
surprisingly hard to hit a moving ship in the middle of the ocean, guarded by sensors and missile defence, countries have proved they can hit moving targets but mock ups on rail tracks towed in a straight line is not a proper test. Houthis have been trying hard to hit US ships but only hit slow lumbering tankers.
They might be OK chugging round Japan but any ship/aircraft needs LONG LEGS for Australia.... WHERE will they be BUILT. Got to have all this info READY for when Peter Dutton/LNP gets elected
NEW MOGAMI-CLASS > Mk.41 VLS 32 VLS cells? RIM-162 ESSM Block 2 x 16cells(quad) = 64 anti-aircraft missile. SM2 x 8cells (or SM6 x 8cells) =8 anti-ballistic missile. The U.S. Navy does not actively deploy ESSMs on Arleigh Burke class late ships because ESSM interferes with SM-2's ability to simultaneously intercept them. ➡ Namely, ESSM and SM2 cannot be operated together.(Guided to the same illuminating radar)
Good choice for a non-Hobart equipped RAN. Lets hope the Labor Government doesn't try to form closer ties with Japan this side of the election, the last thing we need right now is strained relationships with Japan.
You are so wrong, we just need to decide as a nation where we spend our cash, feel good luvvy duvvy welfare or defense and infrastructure. The Health budget is larger than defence, welfare is larger, the disability insurance is larger, even indigenous spending is larger than defence. It’s a joke the way we pay bludgers in this country to do nothing, the number on disability pensions is a joke, FFS even i get family allowance from centre link. The place is a joke, and it’s run by clowns, we are blowing more on Albo’s and Bowens green wet dream than on defence. There is as much money as we need, we are digging stuff up and shovelling it over seas to the lowest bidder as quick as we can, and then pissing the income up against the wall on making useless human beings. We give drug addicts and piss heads the disability pensions FFS, instead of a good flogging and if that dont work a bullet.
You are right, though one of the main advantages of the Modified Mogami is the crew number, something that is more important at the moment as the RAN does not have the sailors to crew the ships. I would have gone with the Meko A210.
What have the Germans done for us? Japan is part of the QUAD. We should only be dealing with the QUAD members when it comes to buying military equipment. This allows Australia to have the same equipment and spares as our regional allies and encourages them to buy from us as well as for a common strategic goal. Maintenance, resupply and production costs can also be heavily reduced between QUAD countries.
@@boredatseaThe newer meko class all have been designed around to carry armament count for the weight and power and range for smaller budget countries armaments. The A200 and A210 class are all equipped with short range sams and sea ceptors. Armament the RAN do not use. The only ships that have ESSM is the curent older class meko 200 that Australia is replacing. If Australia purchased the A210 class it will cause a delay and budget difference as the ship will have to count for weight for RAN choices of armament. This would cause the ship to be built larger wider larger fuel capacity and power upgrades to its engine. The only 2 class meko A200 that has some compatibility armament to RAN is south Africa and Egypt varent eqwiped with NSM navel srike missiles and torpedoes But they use short-range range sams and sea ceptors as the main. armament. The RAN do not use short-range sams and sea ceptors. So it wouldn't be a complete off the shelf design and complete overseas armament. The ship would have to redesign it to carry weight of ESSM and SM2 Japan has offered RAN 2 class of the Mogami the smaller 16 cell MK41 VLS Mogami that has been built now and the larger Mogami Class that they building in 2027 that will have 32 MK41 VLS cells. The ship also has the same rolls royce engine as the hunter.class so be easier for RAN to have the rest of the units built in Australia including a variety of different phased aray radar systems that can be integrated as upgrades. So why would the government choose a Meko class?
NOT only should we buy Japanese military equipment, should also sign a security pact with Japan
Should already
If they can be built quickly and cost $2 billion I agree.
We did sign a pact with them that’s why USA and Japan forces are stationed here
The Quad
Pffft, we have no enemy in south east Asia and everything China wants (our best customer by the way) they buy .
I don’t know how or why but the Australian government will screw this deal up just like it does with every other thing it does
they will
Dont be a wanker - its going ahead ...the choice was the German F 124 or the top Japanese Mogami which are both front runners in the world and Aussies made the right decision
@ so i’m a wanker 😂😂😂😂you’re funny guy, well let’s just say i’ll believe it when they are tired up at the dock, in the meantime dude just calm down its only a point of view 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
*100% AI GENERATED BULLSHlT*
Australia is in the process of building a fleet of Hunter Class Frigates based on the British BAE Systems Type 26 frigate.
We have already started building them. This is 100% nonsense and misinformation.
RUclips should immediately ban this channel.
Completely agree with having stronger ties with Japan in every area. We should be allies, if not already.
Why, are they our best customer or something ?
*100% AI GENERATED BULLSHlT*
Australia is in the process of building a fleet of Hunter Class Frigates based on the British BAE Systems Type 26 frigate.
We have already started building them. This is 100% nonsense and misinformation.
RUclips should immediately ban this channel.
Why the fuck we did not just continue the Hobart program is mystifying. The Hobarts are equal or more capable then the Hunters (and probably the proposed Mogami's) and cost half as much ($3.5B v $7B).
We could have built another 3 destroyers while waiting for frigates. What the hell is wrong with our government.
You clearly don’t understand the role of the two vessels.
There too busy wasting taxpayers money on BS renewable energy @@cplbruiser8267
frigates play a crucial roll in every navy with several key roles, such as:
1. Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) : Frigates are equipped with sonar systems and anti-submarine weapons to detect and engage submarines, thus protecting larger vessels and coastal areas.
2. Anti-Air Warfare (AAW) : Many frigates have the capability to defend against aerial threats using surface-to-air missiles and radar systems to protect themselves and other ships in a fleet.
3. Surface Warfare : Frigates can engage other surface ships, utilizing guns and missiles to maintain maritime security and assert naval power.
4. Escort Duties : They often serve as escort vessels for larger ships, such as aircraft carriers and supply ships, providing protection against various threats.
5. Patrol and Surveillance : Frigates conduct maritime patrols to monitor shipping lanes and prevent illegal activities, such as piracy and smuggling.
6. Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief : In addition to combat roles, frigates can be deployed for humanitarian missions, providing aid and support during natural disasters.
Australia hasn't abandoned the Hobart destroyers; in fact, they are planning to build three more, as I have heard. However, our submarine fleet and frigates are in desperate need of upgrades, so those will be prioritized.
@@cplbruiser8267 there is a million things wrong with our Government. The first thing that springs to my mind, is that we haven't been buying what the ADF needs in reality, but what Politicians want to look after their jobs. A good example of that is the F-35 and now this very stupid AUKUS agreement.
Heck, for the price Oz paid for the F-35, we could have engineered and built the thing our bloody selves.
Na, the last Defence Minister that knew what he was doing and actually gave a shit about Australian security, was Kym Beasley. He bought exactly the right gear we needed at the time.
Since then, Prime Minister's and their Defence Ministers have been nothing but fucking Muppets.
Labor government promised 3 more Hobart destroyers to keep Australia working in Adelaide good 👍 idea we get these Japanese ships as well Japan is a close Allie.
Well that DID NOT HAPPEN.... go ask Albo why not ?? It was a great idea but 7 years on, now we have lost the capacity.
nonsense
*100% AI GENERATED BULLSHlT*
Australia is in the process of building a fleet of Hunter Class Frigates based on the British BAE Systems Type 26 frigate.
We have already started building them. This is 100% nonsense and misinformation.
RUclips should immediately ban this channel.
Ee totally stuffed up last time not going with the Japanese subs they offered us and when with the french issues, hope the government is smarter this time and dont throw this back in Japans face, go with the Mogami not European.
Yep spend more on military. Who needs home. 🤷♀️
Good idea . Interoperability / commonality with US and Japanese vessels and systems , We should also buy some conventionally powered Japanese subs quick time to bolster defence capabilities in and about the South China sea . We live in hope , not expectation .
“Bolster defence in scs?” So should Japan bolster defence in Cockburn sound too?
*100% AI GENERATED BULLSHlT*
Australia is in the process of building a fleet of Hunter Class Frigates based on the British BAE Systems Type 26 frigate.
We have already started building them. This is 100% nonsense and misinformation.
RUclips should immediately ban this channel.
The dopes we have sitting on their doughy behinds in parliament will, like every other opportunity, flap their mouths for months and screw the whole offer up. We’ve been there done that before…again and again and again….ad nauseam.
Why only up to 32 VLS? Surely in this day & age the missile is the main weapon and the more you got the more these ships could counter incoming enemy missiles.
This is general purpose frigate. Hunter class should take care of business in the Indo-Pacific region.
@@GlobalDefenseCorp The Hunters only have 32 VLS also. The Hobarts have 48 VLS , are generally more capable and cost half as much as the fat stupid Hunters.
Hunter-class can launch Tomahawk cruise missile. These are more capable ships. Yes agree with you, we should have 64 cells in Hunter-class. Then question we have to ask, are we building frigates or destroyers?
@@GlobalDefenseCorp The Hobarts are being updated to enable them, amongst other things, to fire Tomahawks, as would any new Hobart if the ADF was smart enough to build them. Destroyer or Frigate, these days there is no difference. The Hunter frigates at 8,000 tonnes are actually larger then the Hobart Destroyers at 7,000 tonnes and cost twice as much with less fire power ... so what was your point ? The Hunters are like the conventional French subs ... a fools folly. A political purchase.
@@GlobalDefenseCorp The Hobarts are currently being upgrades to amongst other things be able to fire Tomahawks missiles & NSM's as would any new Hobarts if the ADF was smart enough to build them. Destroyer or frigate .... these days it's just a label. The Hunters are over 8.000 tonnes compared to the 7,000 tonne Hobarts, cost twice as much, take a lot longer to build and carry less payload. The purchase makes NO strategic sense; purely political. Now they are moving to a new ready to fail project in the Mogami's which I am betting will cost more than a new Hobart would and AGAIN carry less weapons.
The only issue is that they are unlikely to be fitted with sensors and other RAN specific equipment that is currently in service across the RAN and whole of fleet commonality is something that the RAN has been working towards for many years to make maintenance and upgrades easier to manage.
The Japanese speaker at the Navy exhibition said that it can be fitted with CEA FAR radar and will be fitted with mk41 32 cell VLS, which is standard if chosen. As for the Japanese SSM it could be a good mix with NSM since would give a mix of supersonic and near supersonic SSM's
We can add SM-3 and NSM instead of Type 12 SSM.
Easy to change to suit.
I wonder if anyone has done a study involving the survivability of a large boat in an era satellites and long-range cruise or ballistic missiles. I would have thought they would be a sitting duck.
surprisingly hard to hit a moving ship in the middle of the ocean, guarded by sensors and missile defence, countries have proved they can hit moving targets but mock ups on rail tracks towed in a straight line is not a proper test. Houthis have been trying hard to hit US ships but only hit slow lumbering tankers.
All navy vessels are sitting ducks now. Russian Oreshnik missiles at hypersonic speed has changed everything.
Sitting ducks for hypersonic missiles 😂
Heres hoping for once our government aand Navy picked something decent like the Mogami instead of their latest run of failures.
Geez don’t give it to the kiwi navy
I've been a big Mogami fan since I learned about it. That said, I think the 🇩🇪 ship would be outstanding too. So I'm not Mogami or nothing.
They might be OK chugging round Japan but any ship/aircraft needs LONG LEGS for Australia.... WHERE will they be BUILT.
Got to have all this info READY for when Peter Dutton/LNP gets elected
Japan should be speaking to Dutton.
Buying and building Frigates in Japan is a significant supply chain risk, in the event of a conflict with China. No one is discussing this.......
NEW MOGAMI-CLASS > Mk.41 VLS 32 VLS cells? RIM-162 ESSM Block 2 x 16cells(quad) = 64 anti-aircraft missile.
SM2 x 8cells (or SM6 x 8cells) =8 anti-ballistic missile.
The U.S. Navy does not actively deploy ESSMs on Arleigh Burke class late ships because ESSM interferes with SM-2's ability to simultaneously intercept them. ➡ Namely, ESSM and SM2 cannot be operated together.(Guided to the same illuminating radar)
32 VLS cells? 32! Bwhahahahaha
nonsense
Good choice for a non-Hobart equipped RAN. Lets hope the Labor Government doesn't try to form closer ties with Japan this side of the election, the last thing we need right now is strained relationships with Japan.
@@Nathan-yy2xs What's WWII got to do with anything.
IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AUSTRALIA IS BROKE
You are so wrong, we just need to decide as a nation where we spend our cash, feel good luvvy duvvy welfare or defense and infrastructure. The Health budget is larger than defence, welfare is larger, the disability insurance is larger, even indigenous spending is larger than defence. It’s a joke the way we pay bludgers in this country to do nothing, the number on disability pensions is a joke, FFS even i get family allowance from centre link. The place is a joke, and it’s run by clowns, we are blowing more on Albo’s and Bowens green wet dream than on defence. There is as much money as we need, we are digging stuff up and shovelling it over seas to the lowest bidder as quick as we can, and then pissing the income up against the wall on making useless human beings. We give drug addicts and piss heads the disability pensions FFS, instead of a good flogging and if that dont work a bullet.
The German design has more substantial power systems with jet propulsion included, and faster speed when required
You are right, though one of the main advantages of the Modified Mogami is the crew number, something that is more important at the moment as the RAN does not have the sailors to crew the ships. I would have gone with the Meko A210.
What have the Germans done for us? Japan is part of the QUAD. We should only be dealing with the QUAD members when it comes to buying military equipment. This allows Australia to have the same equipment and spares as our regional allies and encourages them to buy from us as well as for a common strategic goal. Maintenance, resupply and production costs can also be heavily reduced between QUAD countries.
@@boredatseaThe newer meko class all have been designed around to carry armament count for the weight and power and range for smaller budget countries armaments. The A200 and A210 class are all equipped with short range sams and sea ceptors. Armament the RAN do not use. The only ships that have ESSM is the curent older class meko 200 that Australia is replacing. If Australia purchased the A210 class it will cause a delay and budget difference as the ship will have to count for weight for RAN choices of armament. This would cause the ship to be built larger wider larger fuel capacity and power upgrades to its engine.
The only 2 class meko A200 that has some compatibility armament to RAN is south Africa and Egypt varent eqwiped with NSM navel srike missiles and torpedoes But they use short-range range sams and sea ceptors as the main. armament. The RAN do not use short-range sams and sea ceptors. So it wouldn't be a complete off the shelf design and complete overseas armament. The ship would have to redesign it to carry weight of ESSM and SM2
Japan has offered RAN 2 class of the Mogami the smaller 16 cell MK41 VLS Mogami that has been built now and the larger Mogami
Class that they building in 2027 that will have 32 MK41 VLS cells. The ship also has the same rolls royce engine as the hunter.class so be easier for RAN to have the rest of the units built in Australia including a variety of different phased aray radar systems that can be integrated as upgrades. So why would the government choose a Meko class?
The japa should be paying us royalties from all the gas the still from our country for free
Great a TEMU warship all made from knock off parts
I prefer a K mart ship😂😅
nah they ruled out the type51at the start