Albert Camus vs. Jean-Paul Sartre
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- The friendship of Camus and Sartre went from bromance to bitter hatred. The two giants of 20th-century philosophy first became friends during WW2 but the friendship was doomed to fail. The conflict of Camus vs. Sartre boils down to their political philosophy. The philosophy of Albert Camus was one of peace and valued the individual human being; the philosophy of Jean Paul Sartre on the other hand emphasised the need to end oppression and colonialism.
Sartre and Camus falling out was one of the major events of 20th century philosophy. It represented two paths forward in the world. In this episode of the living philosophy we explore the friendship of Camus and Sartre and the bitter feud that brought it to an end.
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📚 Further Reading:
Camus, A., 2013. The Myth of Sisyphus. Penguin UK.
Camus, A., 2012. The rebel: An essay on man in revolt. Vintage.
Camus, A., 2013. The outsider. Penguin UK.
Sartre, J., 1960 Tribute to Albert Camus faculty.webster.edu/corbetre/p...
Secondary:
Aronson, R., 2004. Camus and Sartre: The story of a friendship and the quarrel that ended it. University of Chicago Press.
Foley, J., 2014. Albert Camus: From the absurd to revolt. Routledge.
Todd, O., 2015. Albert Camus: A Life. Random House.
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⌛ Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:20 The Friendship
4:03 The Shadows of Conflict
5:58 Camus’s The Rebel and the Explosive Feud
9:36 Their Conflicting Responses to the Algerian Crisis
14:44 Camus’s Death, Sartre’s Obituary and Disdain for Camus
17:08 Conclusion: Camus vs. Sartre
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⌛ Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:20 The Friendship
4:03 The Shadows of Conflict
5:58 Camus’s The Rebel and the Explosive Feud
9:36 Their Conflicting Responses to the Algerian Crisis
14:44 Camus’s Death, Sartre’s Obituary and Disdain for Camus
17:08 Conclusion: Camus vs. Sartre
Fantastic video!
Maybe, you want to pin your own comment, so people see it, as you took your time to write it down ;)
@@Feds_the_Freds Ah thanks for letting me know Marco I didn't realise this one wasn't pinned
@TheLivingPhilosophy I definitely liked and agreed with your emotional preference for Camus... but do also equally believe that Sartre 'got things done' (intellectually) in an epoch when attempting to get things done (by others) required 'steely' philosophical commitment to the fight against facism! Hoohar!
Camus' idealism was the foundation for his absurdism and very sadly cut short by his early death! However, his profound greatness can still be found in his published work whereas Sartre's remains somewhat dampened by his intellectual vanity!
The fact that Camus was also an excellent goalkeeper probably sways the competition for me personally... although reading 'The Stranger' was also just as remarkable! Highly recommended reading for those who haven't!
Excellent video... much thanks! Crack on!
The deepest darkness that was not contained in Satre that was loosely connected to rationality and conscience in reasonings, was eaten up with the stubborn pride of being correct in everything that led to the decay of deep philosophical relationship with Camus, thus the acidic discourses between them to the severance of a friendship of two different philosophies. Keyword, 'contain darkness' is crucial for those intellectuals that is not bound to morality or rationalism. This is reasons why Dostevsky are disgusted with intellectuals. JamesWhiskey
I have always liked Camus' writing but this video made me love him even more. A compassionate socialist with no stomach for violence or injustice. Man after my own heart.
He was also a certified gigachad. That man's life was absolutely amazing
Exactly my sentiments.
Violence of the violently oppressed and the violence against those oppressed are quite different, even when you don't view it favorably, it is reactionary to side with the police hammering in on protestors (for example).
@@theyabib3323 I agree that there are times when the use of violence is neccesary but it should never be the first option. Violence should be used only when all other avenues have been exhausted. Even if it seems right to use violence against the oppressor and can be tempting to enact vengeance against an oppressive force using violence when there are still other avenues to explore only serves strengthen propaganda against a cause. Should open revolution against an oppressor become the only option then that road should be followed but not before things such as reform have been tried.
@@skakried7673 I disagree, kind of. I think that violence is justified as a response to active violence, not acted out by one group of the 'radical intellegensia', and properly organized, but popular protest as a means of expressing popular discontent with the current order.
I truly appreciate what you're doing. Philosophy has been a lifelong interest of mine, but I sometimes go for periods of time without delving into the thickets of its weeds. All of your videos have a high level of information density, but are presented with utmost clarity, and you imbue them with a personal element that keeps things engaging. This is just the sort of material that keeps my passion for philosophy alive.
Thanks Steven that's high praise I really appreciate the kind words it's comments like this that put a dumpload of fuel in the engine and are the reason I'm still doing this so thank you
Word.
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@@dreuvasdevil9395 it is. Supposedly it's a portrait by Delacroix, housed in Mallorca.
Amen to that .
I rebel.
Therefore, I exist.
The mystery of life lies not in staying alive,
But in finding something to live and die for.
Fantastic work! Always wanted to explore the contrasts between both thinkers.
Thank you! Yeah it was a deep rabbit hole exploring the topic but it was great to see how their relationship went and what they thought of each other's philosophy
Here we are again, friend
it's crazy to see this much information condensed in such an entertaining video! great work!
Thank you!!
engaging would have been a better word
Bravo! Well done. I “met” Camus while in high school in France and 45 years later he continues to be at the core of how I have lived my life. And you could not have described him any better!
Wow! You met Camus! That's awesome he's someone that's had such an impact on my life - being my initiator into philosophy - that I'd just love to sit down for an hour and have an espresso with the man
@@TheLivingPhilosophy lol... We study Camus early in highschool in France, while Sartre is more introduced to students in arts & letters classes specialities... The man of the people, for the people vs the social elitist ?! Sorry for the shortcuts and thank you for your dedication it was a great video definitely will watch some more ✌️
@@TheLivingPhilosophyCamus died 63 years ago so it is indeed miraculous that this person met him 45 years ago lol
@@JuxJacy Quotes.
@ Yes I understood but the person I was replying to thought he actually met Camus.
Camus' criticism of Sartre is shockingly applicable to today's intellectuals, almost 100 years later. Disconnected from real life, and shockingly uncaring for regular people in the name of dreams... yet that's exactly what they accuse literally everyone else of being.
Todays intellectuals are disconnected from real life? Do you have any examples?
@@MrRational59 Some examples include Science, Religion, Woke culture, Cancel culture, BLM, LGBTQ, mgtow and feminism. These examples are meaningful and harmless until individuals associate them to what is "correct", heroism or justice. "You are too proud blindly marching forward with your zealous cause that you don't realize you leave a turbulence to ruin those that are and are not involved to pick up the pieces. It makes the people with good intentions look bad and crass. It ruins privileges for them and omits their problems creating a cycle of hatred and retaliation."
@@MrRational59 are you really that blind?
@Kova-ow2en That's not a response
I can help. Take the greens party of Australia. They are willing to vote down any slightly progressive legislation in the senate in favour of “not progressive enough”. This garners favour from the intellectual middle/lower class for the purpose of spite toward the wealthy, even if it means leaving the most needy/vulnerable in their current disposition. This allows them to maintain their increasing voting base among young impressionable intellectuals empowered suburban mums, all the while stifling any pragmatism that offers help to the poorest from the centre left.
Really interesting video. Your account of Camus and how Sartre attacked him really has lessons for today when anybody who attempts to take a nuanced view on politics or moral debate is trashed and derided.
Political disputes NEVER age well, problem is those who are a part of those disputes never live to the day to see how intellectually petty it is.
@@wisherofsnowdays if you think "women should have rights" is an extremist position I guess you are right about that
@@wisherofsnowdays Enlightened centrism from what I've seen just now browsing through their subreddit mainly makes fun of people who believe both sides are right and each of their points of view should be taken seriously.
Camus was not a centrist .
He was a socialist and a noted leftist who supported unions.
He had disagreements with the bourgeoisie left and the methods of tyrants who co-opted leftist ideologies yes.
But at the end of the day Camus politics was that of the left.
HaHa, yeah i think its actually very simple. Lets try to not be ideologues.
@@yaw1492I hate how people have tried to take his criticisms of the USSR as a sign that he was opposed to left-wing politics. People do the same thing with Orwell and it’s incredibly disingenuous.
This is the most glorious roasting of Sartre. what a delight.
Can’t get over how good this is. Watched it over and over and showed it to my friends who aren’t normally interested in this kind of thing. Loved it.
That's a delight to hear Paul glad you enjoyed it so much!
For me, the difference between Camus and Sartre is that you can find Camus' most famous novels in a used bookstore fully marked up and underlined--they were read, re-read, and read again very closely. Sartre, on the other hand, is hard to find in a used bookstore. In a regular bookstore, the only thing you're likely to find is Being and Nothingness--new, and unread. Odds are, you'll buy it in your 20's and it'll gather dust on your shelf well into your 40's. Maybe it says more about our culture than the writers, but the people have spoken.
My own copy of The Stranger passed through at least 6 owners and is as marked up as a subway bathroom. I like that about it.
beautifully said!
You can definitely find more than simply b & n by Sartre in a used bookstore & Of course Camus has aged better (in the west at least) as he was ultimately an idealist who redefined his own version of idealism under a banner of ‘the absurd’, and who, among other things, disagreed openly with totalitarian and tyrannical governments and systems, a very popular blanket sentiment agreed upon in the west (even while some of his actual actions in life contradicted these beliefs) and, importantly, Camus was and is better known as a novelist than a philosophical writer, and we all know that in our current and very anti intellectual world, any good novelist will always be better known to a degree than a writer whose body of work is defined (as Sartre’s is) more by works which are less explicitly entertainment and more interested in overtly communicating ideas which are often difficult to express let alone understand in the reading of them. Camus writing entertainment which disguises his own philosophical and ideological manifestos was more accessible and by their nature more easily interpretable (even if their interpretation is as varied) but that doesn’t mean that Sartre’s work isn’t found scuffed up, marked in and notated or that he didn’t also write novels which essentially did the same thing. Those novels are only lesser known, if they are, because of what is now considered to be a greater importance lying in his denser, harder to read books, which Camus never even attempted. Personally, I’ve been able to take in things from both writers but I disagree with your premise that ‘the people have spoken’. ‘The people’ have a harder time digesting one’s work over the other, which does not necessarily form a preference. Not to mention, whose to say that Camus even did this by design or whether or not his more simplistic approach and it’s supposedly larger readership, is not just a fated accident and a byproduct of his inability to write something as large in scope of thought ? If Camus is more widely known or read it is because he is more easy to read (and misunderstood) and his writing is more about what any one reader sees in it than what any of his actual points were (at least by comparison). Sartre was controlling of his inner narrative and so endlessly afraid of being misunderstood that his works are often denser to the point of being pedantic but if he’s considered lesser, it’s only because he was more cynical and less willing to fall into an idealism that he knew would never really come to fruition. Camus has a spark of hope in his work that Sartre’s never did which is more attractive because we all want a reason to hope. Camus attempted to connect with humanity while Sartre attempted to explain it’s nature for better and worse. But this hypothetical posited certainly isn’t because Camus was a better writer or even necessarily because his ideas were in any way superior (as this comment seems to imply).
Appeal to popularity? Pathetic. Just because he's unpopular says nothing about the substance of his writing or his arguments. The fact that you decided to write an entire paragraph about it says everything about you, and nothing about him.
Thanks for sharing. Albert Camus is my favorite Philosopher. I've been reading his works and discovering more about myself in the process.
@Mutiny960 that was a bit „acid way of talking“, but I think you are right. Whoever was „right“ or „wrong“ should not be dictated by how THIS society reads their books.
After 50 years of distinguishing between Camus' and Sartre's philosophies, this is the best contrast I've come across.
I don't know why as a Frenchman I came to an english-speaking channel to learn about two of my fellow countrymen, but I've found your videos very clear and informative. Great job and thank you!
When Covid Started I read Camus' "The Plague" and that prepared me completely to the stresses and complexity of society we witnessed here.
I think Camus' position on Algerian Independence is pretty indefensible. He basically dismissed the movement as an "emotional response", refused to entertain any other system than French control, and dared to justify it as a prevention of "Kadarization of Europe and isolation of America". I wonder if he'd justify America's interventions in South America and the Middle East in the same way.
I love this! My GF is a huge philosophy reader and I'm a novice on the subject. I am looking forward to growing my knowledge, and my "sense of place" watching more of your videos. Critical thinking and an appreciation in knowledge/history are lacking in this society IMP. I have the upmost respect for your time and intellectualism on philosophy.
Thank you. It always irritates me how these two are bracketed together. Camus was not only the superior thinker and writer, he was the superior man - as you point out by studying their respective lives.
Couldn't agree more. Camus' moral clarity was sorely needed back then and in these radical, extreme times as well.
I don't think we can say one is superior to the other. Camus' morality fits with my own. We can't understate Satre's contributions, even if we don't agree with his ideology.
What has puzzled me for a long time - and still does - is the fact that such different writers, with opposite views about "socialism" - the rebel and the revolutionary - were both awarded the Nobel Prize!
@@gremblebeanYes we can. They are different and by definition, one must have better, or more applicable views than the other. Saying otherwise is a cop-out.
Insane how troubling and relevant this is today, especially in regards to the October 7th War...
I absolutely loved that video. I didn’t know much about Camus before, and during your telling of his story, I found myself becoming quite moved by the integrity of the man. I really identify with his instinct to want to put morality above politics. I find so much of the current polarised social climate is as a result of people placing politics into a higher order than it should be. Thank you, sir. I’m going to give your channel a lot more interest now.
“The only values worth defending are love and the mind”🌹
I think your well presented thesis between the two philosophers has proven themselves of time. Camus has grown to be appreciated and much loved. On the other hand Satre is fading in comparative popularity. I can only see this divergence increasing over time.
YES! We often look at their philosophies outside of their original context, and we lose a huge piece of the puzzle when we do so! Great video
I grew up in a fundamentalist cult, which I left at 17 to join the military; I read The Myth of Sisyphus after my release and it largely shaped my personal outlook. I completely empathise with your emotional assessment. The trouble with the historical right is that they're typically rather exclusionary, but the trouble with the left is that they're often so utterly unlikeable. We aspire to be Camus, yet we find ourselves so often in the company of Sartre.
Who do you find unlikable, the politicians or voter base?
Satre having a existential meltdown hearing Camus suggesting people have to be alive as to work & build a community
The addendum at the end was very refreshing.
FWIW, you taking a personal position here is much appreciated and earned you another subscriber and content sharer. I've admired Camus for decades and detest Sartre as a philosophical fraud. Sometimes academic neutrality or journalistic balance is unjustified; Camus was a brilliant intellectual and good man; Sartre was a POS.
I'm here due to Externalised's suggestion! And what a suggestion it has been; fantastically eloquent and well-constructed exploration of the relationship between Sartre and Camus.
Thank you! And keep up the great content!
Ah really? That's awesome I've a lot of gratitude for that guy and a lot of appreciation for his work. Glad you're enjoying the channel Andrew welcome aboard!
Just found this post. Wow. Incredible. Rich. . I love Camus and always felt this way about the Satre dispute but could never express this eloquently. Thank you!
Excellent presentation. I read most of Camus' works when I was an undergrad, many moons ago. I didn't understand as much as I wanted but here finally you gave me the socio-cultural context I lacked then. One personal quirky note, Camus reminded me somewhat of James Dean and there was the non-sequitur link of The Rebel and Rebel Without a Cause.
Fantastic! Context adds so much more depth to what i had already understood about both characters.
So, for my fellow weebs, Sartre is Sasuke after the fight with Kaguya, and Camus is Naruto after hearing Pain’s speech and realizing violence is never the gateway to liberation.
Love to hear some well founded criticism of Sartre and his own contradictions: not just your run of the mill "Postmoderism + socialism = evil" ala jordan peterson. Good job for enlighting us and teaching us more about the failures and contradictions of the philosophers. Are they all posers? What is a poser? Am i a poser? - such questions matter now
Hahaha I dunno about you but I'm definitely a poser or at least one (or a few) of my subpersonalities are for sure! Nothing wrong with a bit of poserism as long as it's in a nice container in a corner of the psyche and not dominating the whole thing. All this posturing aside thank you for the kind words I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Just look at that photo of Camus in that Bogart-esque attitude. That's my EXACT definition of what a poser is. But Camus is also an example that even posers can produce great literature. "Authenticity" means nothing in that world of literature.
What a moving episode. Thank you for your work.
I love this. For the longest time i have felt that the split between these two men was emblematic of something very important and relevant to our current times. Really its about friendship (Camus) over ideology and politics (Sartre). I was always more partial to Camus and have become more so over time. This story is a great one for anyone who finds themselves in the throes of toxic political movements and culture wars.
A million thanks for your video and setting a framework from which I can better understand why I had conflicting thoughts while reading Les Mains Sales. I see now why, as my views are more aligned with Camus - whom I hadn’t read since school so all these years I lacked a deeper understanding of him. This has opened a whole new world for me so now I will read much more of their works.
Not bad to note that "The Rebel" is highly influence by one of the most underrated philosophers of all time: Max Stirner
Thank you very much for this. I have a philosophy discussion group in China that I lead, and we read through Sartre's Existentialism is a Humanism, Camus' Myth of Sisyphus, and next Camus' The Stranger. I have a personal interst in both thinkers and have wanted to dive in deeper as I have been reading their works. Thank you for this background story.
You have summoned up with great eloquence my thoughts, difficulties and struggles in modern life: the means must represent or reflect the ends.
Albert Camus is my friend and companion since I read the "L'Étranger" in my early 20's. I fully agree with you and the way you represented him and Sartre is totally right.
Albert Camus definitely wasn't a liberal though and was way more left-wing than a standard socialist. He was an anarchist. More specifically he was an anarcho-syndicalist.
Whenever state socialism, or state capitalism to put it more bluntly, has been implemented, anarchists have always without fail been persecuted as soon as it takes root.
The most prominent case of that was the USSR's purging and persecution of hardline left-wingers not soon after the October Revolution.
For Camus, siding with the statism Sartre desired wasn't just hypocritical as that goes against the anti-statism inherent in anarchism but he was saavy that doing that would be painting a target on anarchists like himself should it overthrow the elitist regime before it.
As Camus said, "it is the job of the thinking man not to be on the side of executioners."
To Camus, the state, no matter its form, was nothing but an enclave of executioners which he justifiably distrusted and detested unlike Sartre.
Again, really surprised you didn't bring that up as it was a big reason he came to dislike Sartre.
I absolutely adore Camus and his thoughts. They have helped me immensely. As for Sartre, while I’ve admittedly not dug very deeply into his actual writings (and it seems many of them are misguided), he is almost like the opposite half of the same person as Camus. Which means that he does have some meritorious thoughts, but is ultimately mistaken. There have been a few of his quotes on existence and life in general that I found extremely poignant. It is possible, it seems, to have many good thoughts while serving what turns out to be an unsavory cause.
Yeah y'know what you are right. While some of his political thoughts are a bit off for me his existentialism and his actual philosophy are quite interesting I think it's just the way he handled the Camus situation and some of his political evaluations tainted the cup for me a little
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Agreed, I learned of Satre as a person after I read Being and Nothingness and it definitely altered my love of his writings. However, I still feel that his work holds a lot of merit especially in regards to bad faith and it's relationship with sincerity.
@@IrrationalConsumer totally agree and at some point I do want to dig down into them on the channel. There's a lot of baby in the bathwater
@@TheLivingPhilosophyIt's hard to be credible when you're obsessed with injustice and you're an apologist for Stalin.
This is great work man, thanks for putting in the effort
Thanks a million Tom!
This channel is SO GOOD! keep it up man, and thank you!
Haha thanks mosaic! The support and love is much appreciated!
Congrats! Very good job. You present the information in a clear understandable way even though you condense a lot of information in a short period. Also, you give the right amount of context which was something that I was looking for. Thanks! Can you recommend a good book about this topic or Camus’ life or what is the best Camus’ book to start with?
His references are linked in the description. I think all of Camus’ books are accessible relative to other philosophy, so I would just go in chronological order.
appreciate the display of humility at the end, great video thanks
Read the Outsider and the Plague as a pennyless student in Waterford many years ago. Much to stew on.
This was good.
Satre was a the worst sort of upper class snob; the humanist who hated people.
I can't imagine how much time and effort went into this. Amazing work.
Excellent channel, just discovered it. Don’t know how it escaped me. Very good.
Great video, really happy to have found your channel! How about doing a series about Max Weber and the ethics of responsibility and conviction? I’d like to have your take on that!
I actually just finished a book called The Genesis of Modernity and one third of it was about Weber. First proper encounter with him and I can tell you I am excited to dive deeper and start talkign about him. Not sure when I'll get around to it but he's definitely on my radar
Truly one of my favorite philosophical comparisons. Excellent job sir!
Thank you very much!
Very well explained, I greatly drew from this. And the ending disclaimer is very genuine. Thanks for the presentation.
I’m a huge fan of Camus’s work. I found your channel due to the collab with “Ideas Sleep Furiously”.
The first video of yours i watched was on Nietzsche’s “God is Dead”, and i realized how badly i’d misunderstood that, but i’m glad to see i did actually understand Camus’s work properly. I tried to read Sartre but found him daunting. a Friend always explained him with a joke:
JPS sits in a cafe. He asks the hostess for a coffee with no cream. She replies, “I’m sorry sir, we’re out of cream. Would you like it with no milk?”
He explained that the lack of a thing doesn’t mean it “isn’t”, just that we can’t perceive it. Camus on the other hand, seemed to me more concerned with discovering how the subjective could fit into the puzzle of the objective (or at least that’s how i read The Stranger). The Rebel’s condemnation to become a tyrant in turn helped me realize that the revolution always seems so concerned with dismantling but never with Day one of the New. It made revolution feel so much more real, and in turn thinking so much more important.
I’m really intrigued to see more! thanks so much for all you’ve made so far, and keep making more please!!
Haha yeah the Sartre is an obscure classic! I agree that Camus is a much more grounded sort of figure thinking into the real concrete world implications of philosophy. Glad you're enjoying the video and welcome aboard! Hope you'll enjoy the collab on Sunday!
regarding revolution, I think Pete Townshend said it best " meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
That's actually a very good way of explaining how Camus aimed at approaching the same issues that Sartre did. I think Sartre established new ground with his thoughts, the notion that a person could give their own life meaning was certainly a massive leap forward in the modern philosophical outlook of your average reader and thinker. It was invaluable and required, but Sartre took that idea and expanded on it by explaining how the formation of subjective meaning was itself a form of rebellion against the cruel indifference of the universe. I never took Camus works to claim that meaning itself could not or should not be created. His forms of philosophical suicide did not encompass Sartre's philosophical conclusions. It simply refined Sartre's idea surrounding "bad faith". Instead, I think Camus sought to refine Sartre's ideas into a more digestible format while also elaborating on his own ideas surrounding rebellion, suicide and life.
Thank you for the care and effort you put in to providing these videos!---Todd
Thanks a million Todd! That means a lot!
Your excellent presentations deserve a very wide distribution. All the best.
Thanks DW! Hopefully someday they will get it!
What a wonderful video! Thanks for making it so easy to understand!
Delighted to hear it thanks Swati!
Not only informative, but also deeply inspiring! Thank you for this! I'll salute on camus tonight!
Sartre was in the French resistance and a WW2 POW. Roosevelt and Orwell quote to round it all off with no discussion of their ethics and contradictions of course.
Sartre remained loyal to Soviet Style Communism, even after he learned about the gulags, unlike Camus. He defended it by saying that despite the flaws in Stalin's policies, he had to publicly still support them because "We have to give the people hope."
But he finally gave up that position in the late 196os, when the Soviet Union invaded the Communist nation of Checkaslovaokia, for their rebellion which called for "Socialism with a human face."
In light of Stalin's repression of another Communist nation's rebellion, he could no longer justify his position. So he resigned from the party and declared himself to be an Anarchist.
There is another, much more petty and rather humorous explanation for the fall-out between Sartre and Camus. After Sartre and Simone de B. (i don't know how to spell her last name) ended the sexual part of their relationship, they became good friends, and Simone even helped him to score with her female students. When Simone hit on Camus, he rejected. her. When Sartre learned f this, he became enraged, not because Simone had hit on Camus, but because Camus had rejected her. After that, Sartre stopped speaking. To Camus.
I don't know if that story is true, but it has the ring of truth, that great historical events which are attributed to differences in philosophy and ideals really have their roots in. petty personal stables and grudges.
Great work! Very informative! Thank you so much!
Thank you, this is timely for me because (apart from studying both thinkers) in my lifelong family conflict I mirror Camus and my family member mirrors Sartre.
My pleasure John!
Great vid, I appreciate the depth of references you can pull from. That Orwell quote was something, have to pick up the book it's from.
My pleasure Jay thanks for watching!
I really appreciated your candid approach. Fascinating.
Thanks Kevin!
Yours is a very well constructed channel. In a sense you apply Occam razor to your presentations. In a short video you manage to deliver lots of informative views on different topics. Hope your followers will grow. By the way your depiction of Sartre is absolutely right and the choice of Orwell's considerations on Sartre and the likes was brilliant.
Thank you so much Sergio! I love the comparison with Occam's razor!
Though I avoid the overused word 'literally', this time it fits. Camus literally brought philodophy to life and you do yeoman service in making that clear. You're doing good work.
Thanks Kenneth!
Besides the clarity with which you explain things, you are blessed with a soothing voice; perfectly fitting for the work you do here.
Thank you that's a delight to hear
Good video! Camus was in the right in the conflict with Sartre, but I will note that Sartre was not entirely the doctrinaire revolutionary Marxist he is portrayed as here and was frequently on the receiving end himself of the criticism of not being committed to the revolution (he took this criticism to heart sometimes too much, though).
Not only was Sartre actively involved in the French resistance, he served in the French Army. He was a POW for a bit. Not sure you did enough research on his background.
I really appreciate your representation of the nuance of Camus, which too often is disregarded.
Great video man! Really enjoyed it!
Awesome Kenneth thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
I love your work man, you make excellent condensed content without missing any important notes. Recent watcher and a big fan. I just wanted to say that while this video definitely encompasses the relationship between Camus and Sartre, as well as the specific reasons for their split, however I think your coverage of the French colonization and brutal occupation of Algeria was a bit lacking, with all due respect. Over the course of 200 years, they managed to pretty much decimate the population (they killed about 1/9). They used to put people in ovens and gas chambers, or in some cases where villages were suspected of harboring or aiding resistance fighters, the entire village was gassed in the dead of night, erasing entire tribes with men, women and children. The French still have and display the skulls of different Algerian fighters. The way in which France tried to brutally suppress any resistance to their rules and then were shocked when people started fighting back is not something that I think should be looked over, and I feel as though in this video it was.
The previous reasons I've heard is that it's too complicated to ever get into, which leads to the narrative nowadays of just seeing as the Algerians as rebels against the French. It's a very simple explanation, after promising Algeria it's independence if it were to help fight the Nazis, the French immediately reneged on this promise after D-Day. People protested in completely peaceful protests, to which the French military came to Algeria and force and responded with machine gun fire. That's according to French sources. I love your content and this video, I just hope that in future this issue can be represented properly rather than glossed over due to the fear of implicating the French in some of the worst war crimes post-WW2.
I really appreciate this input. It's a part of the story I wasn't aware of so thank you. Definitely requires further understanding
Hi James. Again a great vídeo.
One values the most what one sees, desires and misses without ever having experienced.... Admiration and respect,... One Can understand without agreeing but can never agree without understanding and you Can't take the man from his sociology and they were just to polarized appart.
Kind regards.
id love to see a video dedicated to camus's views on politics!
Same
Well to be honest I wrote so many different scripts for this video exploring different aspects that I think I could quite easily do that I'll add that to the list!
Noted!
@@TheLivingPhilosophy This video felt so jam packed with context that I am missing but am eager to check out. Admittedly I haven't seen the rest of your channel so I'll have to check out the rest of your content.
I came after I saw your post from the philosophy subreddit btw.
@@johnnyray9107 Yeah there was so much that I had to pare out it could really have gone on for over an hour but tried to constrain it to the topic and avoid all the juicy contextual tangents. Welcome to the channel hopefully you'll find a few more gems lying around here!
Brilliant, thank you for your work. Learned so much
This was such a beautiful video, I'm rather a beginner in philosophy but this video makes me so interested into Camus work.
Thank you! I did like this very much, and are going to share it
Thanks Andreas thata means a lot!
this is great, thank you for the great work!
While I agree with some of Sarte's criticisms of Camus . Sarte himself seems more of a utopian socialist rather than a scientific one who views communism almost in a religious manner rather than a grounded materialist way.
I don't see how anyone could call Sarte a materialist. He believes in absolute free will which is practically incompatible with materialism
@@noah5291 that is a complete mischaracterisation of sartre's view on freedom. Sartre believed in absolute freedom to choose one's own ends not absolute freedom to achieve them.
There are socialists who aren't Utopian?
I've benefitted from both thinkers, but I've always been far more a fan of Camus than of Sartre. Your video gives me many additional reasons why that makes sense. It is good to see Camus elevated in this way, because he deserves to be taken seriously. I think, sometimes, because his works are more accessible, and because he was less prolific, he doesn't get the attention he deserves, not just as a literary stylist but as a thinker.
thanks for the video and your effort, this was super informative, entertaining and made me reflect a lot on what I know about these two men. Best wishes from Mexico
Glad you enjoyed it David thanks for watching!
nice work man I appreciate the channel!!
Thank you for this. It's not typical analysis of historical/philosophical figures, but it is honest and likely mostly true. Great thinkers can sometimes be wrong, they are almost always sometimes wrong about some things, and Sartre was here. You did not shy from saying so.
Thanks sean
Really enjoyed this, thank you
Great video. Excited to watch more
Ah wonderful! Glad you enjoyed it Luke hope the rest are as much to your taste!
Man, you are a treasure. Keep up the good work!
Hahaha thanks a million Alberto!
This is a great duo to pair off against each other. And the fact that they were once friends and later enemies makes it more engaging. They both represent the age-old philosophical conflict that goes back to ancient Athens between the sincere Philosopher (Camus) and the Sophist (Sartre). There are people that turn towards Self (Sartre) and people that turn towards a higher ideal or God (Camus). Gollum and Frodo represent a kind of scale between these two notions, and we all lean toward one side more than the other. I think Sartre will become more of an historical artifact with time, while Comus maintains a modest relevance. I'd put Simone Weil's work above both of them combined though. She acted on her beliefs to the point of absurdity, which is why I think Camus appreciated her so much. If we all followed her example, the world would be a radically different place. Well made video, I've subbed.
Great great vid bro. Thanks for this.
Thanks Pablo the kind words are much appreciated!
Instant sub!!! Intriguing topic, articulate discussion, and mesmerizing narration. Handsome fella, too. Very nice.
Hahaha thanks Jack delighted you enjoyed the entire production so much 😆
I have always loved Camus and his books The Fall and The Stranger are two of my all time favourites. On the other hand, I couldn’t even finish Nausea so never really delved into Sartre beyond that book. I put it down to being a poor reader or not being intellectual enough but after watching this video I totally understand why so thank you posting. I also agree with your conclusion but will concede that I am also biased.
Europe was left devastated, both physically and intellectually, after World War II. Philosophers such as Simone de Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre played a crucial role in shaping the ideology of the post-war world. In the philosophical landscape, Sartre and Albert Camus were recognized as two prominent figures. Both were important thinkers and famous writers, and had become friends in Nazi-occupied Paris in 1943. They were central figures in French culture and were awarded Nobel Prizes for literature. their friendship wasn't long-lasting though, it eventually dissolved due to deep philosophical differences. Camus supported communism and believed in justifying violence for revolutionary purposes, whereas Sartre strongly opposed such violence and argued for morality over political ideology.
Thank you for this educational video. I learned a lot and certainly have new appreciation for Camus. Has anyone made a film about this story of Satre and Camus? What a great story.
I thoroughly agree with Joe Troncale's comment; furthermore, you made a strong case for your point of view. I join with the others who thanked you for this video.
Great work. Loved it!!❤
Thank you for the excellent presentation.
You are a hero for this one my man.
great episode, thank you
Thanks for watching Emmett
Right on. I have come to similar conclusions as those that your lecture has pointed out, but I have never heard so well articulated before. For me Camus rather than Sartre embodied the true spirit of the existential.
Thanks Zachary!
I'm literally a Camus fanboy, enough to drive all the way to Loumarin Cemetery to visit his grave. After seeing his simple stone-carved gravestone, his philosophy stood out to me even more because he walked his talk as you have also pointed out. I read that some politician wanted to move Camus' grave to Paris but his wishes were upheld and it didn't push through. I read the Myth of Sisyphus many times because it showed a solid framework of living in this strange world, at least one that spoke to me. Thank you for uncovering this part of his life. Sartre... is a sick person.
Just had a debate about Hamas few weeks ago with a friend, and if had seen this video earlier, it would have saved me time haha. On one hand, my friend was defending Hamas as resistance against the oppressive state of Israel, while I was on the other hand arguing that no matter how horribly Israel behaves as a state, killing civilians and tourists wasn't justified. That being said, I explicitly stand for Palestine and Gaza!
Another great video, I really appreciate the honesty of what may seem to be an "imbalanced assessment". In fact, neutrality is just one choice among many, your position is a well presented and balanced account of the ideas in their context. That´s my opinion!
Ah thanks Netto! Your opinion is much appreciated!
I don’t love the bias, often veering toward Camus, simply by nature of things neither of them could control (it is often brought up that Camus came from a more working class background for example). Of course all of these things colors their ideas, or at least how they arrived at them, to an extent, but by the end of his life, Camus was able to attain the exact same superiority that’s often imposed upon Sartre and which colors Camus’s later work at very least. The real reason Camus is often heralded (however subtly) and Sartre is often disparaged in the west is simple: Camus’s work often carries with it an optimism in the face of the bleakness or the reality of the world that Sartre’s work very often does not. It’s easier to relate to Camus’ idealism and humanism and less so to Sartre’s often cold presentation of existentialism, and within that, even easier to see it as colored by a man who was always distant from the world and cushioned by his circumstances when the reality is Camus eventually had all of the same cushions (if not more of them by the end). Camus, like Edison or Churchill, was simply a better salesmen of himself and his own ideas. Everyone wants to believe that things can get better and there is a light at the end of the proverbial tunnel, and this idealism exists, if not in the ideas than at least in their presentation, more in Camus than had ever existed in Sartre’s work. Sartre never really communicated this (or in this way), only pointed out and broke down his perspective of what actually has happened/is happening in the world, and the nature of it and his thoughts on the human condition for better and worse. Would you rather hang out with an idealist or a cynic? Most would rather hang with the idealist, that doesn’t mean the cynic didn’t have anything interesting to say, only that it might be more likely to bum us all out. I’ve taken ideas from both and respect both’s work but I don’t judge Sartre his upbringing nor do I have the need to tie some of his better ideas to his own personal affiliations or politics. They don’t have to be mutually exclusive and while they don’t always paint a great portrait of the man, don’t have to bleed into the better aspects of the work for anyone, should they choose to read it openly and without such extreme bias.