The main problem with the one tool concept is that it is often pushed by people who seem to have a vested interest in knife sales. People who often never leave their suburban back yards yet speak at great length on wilderness survival. Much better to have a slim sharp knife for knife stuff and a hatchet for all the walloping and brutality. Kudos for you for your honesty.
Thank you for your review and opinion. We need more people like you who aren't afraid to give their full and honest opinion. I thought it was a fair review in which you highlighted the parts you liked and gave good rationale to explain the parts you didn't like.
2 thumbs up for honesty, 2 thousand thumbs up for the goat!!! Seriously, thank you for this review. There are not that many videos about this knife, and even less videos that list cons about this knife. I was on the fence about buying the MSK-1 until I saw your video, me and my wallet thank you!
This is not a chopping knife it can also chop!It is a survival situation knife, it has to do the works of a cutting knife, chopping knife,carving knife etc........ So apart from its price!! the knife is perfect!!
Dude your video is right on point. D2 isn't what people think it is. So is some Damascus. This knife I don't believe should be carried by itself. I'd definitely still have a big chopper on me for sure.
Noticed that David now has a newer design out. Looks like a more conventional fixed blade knife. Similar to the Cold Steel SRK (which itself is a basic clip-point knife with a comfortable handle). And quite frankly, if I could only grab one knife to bug-out with or survive in the woods, yeah I'm grabbing my SRK or my Ka-bar/Becker BK7.... Another conventional clip-point knife with a comfortable handle. I get it. David's design works best for him. And, it does have quite a lot to recommend it to others. But, it doesn't do fine cutting chores nearly as well as David claims. And, it is definitely not a replacement for a small axe/hatchet. For him to having said that it is, was just disingenuous. Before he started this project, David's channel was educational and even fun to tune into. His smile in every video was warm and felt genuine. Without David looking goofy. By the time he was done with this project, smile was gone and he clearly was just angry. Who knows, maybe because that first run of his knife didn't sell well. Too expensive. He did better when he later released the Primitive version at half the price of the original, which made it competitive with other survival knives on the market.
I saw the new model and am still considering purchasing it. Really my only wish with the rollout of this msk1 was that his marketing was more honest- thats what did it for me. He seems to be marketing the new knife MUCH better which i am glad to see.
I respect the heck out of this video! Way to speak the truth! I know from personal experience that what you say is completely accurate. You also did the critique in the most respectful way possible. Huge respect for you!
I really appreciate you doing a video on that knife. It was in my possible to get knives, and now it's not. I have respect for Dave but to make false claims to hype up a knife that won't perform, and at an extreme price, is just wrong. You can almost buy two junglas 2's for that cost lol. Thanks again and thanks for your honesty!
Mato Luta Hi Mato! How’s it going? Please see my response to Jacob’s review. It’s the “rest of the story” and addresses Jacob’s 4 main issues: D2 Steel, Chopping, Fine Detail Work, Hollow Grind
Hi Jacob - this is David. Thank you for your review. However, I wish you would have contacted me prior to your post... you did quite a bit of character assignation here that I felt was inappropriate (see below). FOR "the OTHER Side of the Story" - I would like to briefly address and clarify the FOUR of your major points in your review: D2 Steel / Chopping / Hollow Grind of Knife and Fine Detail Work. 1 - D2 STEEL Metallurgy is a complicated science. You are not the first to bring concerns about D2 (or frankly many other steels) - as Knife Steel (in general) seems to be a hotly debated topic. With regards to the MSK-1 and my final decision to use D2 - I consulted with Jeff Freeman on steel selection based on my VERY unique criteria did my due diligence / research and testing during the prototype process of over 2 years... I wanted a tough, knife that retained its edge and returned easily to sharp in the field. Through the process of testing Knife steels - I had come appreciate the properties and benefits of (properly heat-treated) D2 as per Jeff’s specs as I received in prototypes 3-5. It would be a long, complicated and quite boring debate to get into the science of this. But the heat treat is key and makes all the difference In the world for any Blade steel, including MSK-1 D2. In the end, when I decided on the steel, my experience (testing MSK-1) and consultation with Jeff (with his, training, experience and science) proved out that D2 was a great choice. Which I stand by. As far as sharpening... did you happen to go to the MSK-1 user guide where I show you how to return your MKS-1s edge? If not, you really should check it out. It will help you. Here’s the link: ultimatesurvivaltips.com/msk1-guide/ There are may helpful video tutorials on the page above. Let me know what if you think I need any additional ones. But (in short) SHARPENING a properly used MSK-1 knife can usually be done without sharpening at all - by simply stropping. Beyond this, a few strokes on a ceramic rod usually does the trick. Although I did use my MKS-1 Mini improperly once (driving the blade into nails) and damaged the Blade BAD. I restored the edge in the field in about 45 minutes. As far as D2 strength, I have not heard of any broken MSK-1s, nor have I broken one. Please have your friend contact me immediately so I can assess any issue with the knife and determine the cause. And SO I can place his knife if needed and honor my MSK-1 guarantee. On a side note... I don’t know many knives beyond 1/4” thick. So my claim that the MSK-1 is - one of the thickest knives you can buy - stands. 2 - CHOPPING On Chopping... Two things of note... my story is true. I no longer carry a hatchet.. because the MSK-1 performs so well processing reasonably sized wood. I believe your test could have been better. There was a significant height difference between when you chopped with the hatchet and the MSK-1. Having these at the same height would have been a better baseline. Generally there would be a disadvantage for the blade chopping material that is higher. Also... being further out on the limb chopping would lend itself to more vibration from the wood... and be a less stable platform. Chopping a small tree, batoning wood, a more level test vs. the hatchet... I think you would have been more pleased with the results. There is a bit of technique to chopping with MSK-1 also. I could not tell from your video anything on technique. But I will be rolling out more tutorial videos this year. I'm not saying the MSK-1 would have out performed the hatchet, but MKS-1 does serve as a good chopping tool. WAY better than you showed or gave it credit for... and makes is unnecessary to carry two tools IMO. So - does MSK-1 replace / eliminate a need for a hatchet? In my opinion yes! Is it better than every hatchet for every hatchetable task. Probably not. But for a one tool option, it’s WAY better than you showed. Does MSK-1 replace and axe? No. This was a mistaken comment I made in an interview after a long day at a show. My bad. But I would NEVER carry an axe. However I do carry a Silky Saw for larger and various camp tasks... BUT - in a pinch - with only ONE tool, can MSK-1 perform a wide variety of slicing, cutting, chopping and baton tasks? YES. But obviously other single tools may be better. If the MSK-1 was a hatchet. I'd be a hatchet. However in many situations it does chop like a hatchet. If that makes sense. 3 - FINE DETAIL WORK MSK-1 is not a carving knife. But it can do a surprisingly good job at tip carving and other fine detail work. The carved branch face you see in the MSK-1 video was done by me with only the MSK-1 in about an hour or so. It can work like a fine carving tool if you have some skill and keep it sharp. 4 - HOLLOW GRIND You must have an MSK-1 from our first production run. MSK-1 was NEVER Intended to have a Hollow Grind. This was done by our (now fired) original company who did that part of the grinding process. NO MSK-1s beyond this original small first batch are hollow ground. Once we realized this - I got one in here for testing and found it to be just as reliable and capable as the previous prototypes... with the bonus of being a slightly better tool for fine work. My challenge to your complaint is that it’s based on the pre-judgment of dynamics hollow grinds - not based on the capabilities or your experience with the MSK-1 Knife at least not in THIS video). In this case... because of the other aspects of the MSK-1 design - hollow grind just happens to work on the MSK-1. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of hollow grinds most of the time... but - for several reasons, it worked really well in the first production run so I went with it. However, the Hollow grind is gone forever on MSK-1. So, You ACTUALLY have a collectors edition model... because there will NEVER be another Hollow Ground MSK-1 made. But, I’d gladly trade a new MSK-1 (from my next batch) for the one you have. And if you are REALLY dissatisfied with your MSK-1 I will gladly take it back and give you a full refund. MSK-1 is NOT for everyone. And I'm good with that. That's why there are THOUSANDS or knives to choose from. Jacob, I hope this all helps. MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH YOUR REVIEW was the OPINION-BASED, subjective nature of the review and how you tied it to vilifying me and concluding that I was not telling the truth. You called me a liar bro! You could have looked at the knife and choosing to share your OPINIONS of its performance and how it worked for you or NOT... This is COOL! However, you chose to go after my integrity. This saddens me. And is NOT COOL! I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION... just maybe next time consider not assigning / judging motive or questioning character. This is always dangerous and usually leads to hurt. Since you say you are a Christian, I would challenge you also to consider whether this is the way we as believers should approach others we critique in a public forum. And is this sort of review model (where you defame the name of someone else) worth a few pats on the back and some views on RUclips? We all that to make these decisions. Just know I am always here AND HAVE BEEN here, willing to speak with you (or anyone) if you have any questions, comments or concerns about what I do and say. I am probably one of the easiest folks to approach and work through issues you might have with me. I will certainly listen and say I am wrong when I am wrong. Please do reach out and at least give me and (in the future) others - the opportunity at least share our story so that your information and / or perspective / understanding is balanced. And please watch assigning motive without knowledge of a person. Reaping and sowing is a powerful thing. You will have to choose for yourself what you want to reap and sow brother. Think about this. Last thing... HERE ARE - MSK-1 STORIES - from MSK-1 users who have opinions contrary to yours: the-ultimate-all-purpose-knife-that-could-save-you.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders/project_updates#preorder-nav LAST NOTE: I literally have had NO COMPLAINTS about MSK-1 until your video. Not a single one from hundreds and hundreds of users in the field. I have had a few suggestions on the Mini sheath and the handle strap. But as far as I know - I have 99.5% happy customers (you are the .5% percent). MSK-1s are deployed all around the world and are performing well... even on battle fields. Thanks brother! -David
Ultimate Survival Tips , I don’t mean to speak for Jacob, but I doubt that he would have had an issue if this was a $100 knife. Also, what you described in your first paragraph is exactly what is wrong with this community because it’s almost impossible to find a unbiased knife review on RUclips. That’s because people get paid or get free stuff to do reviews and if they have an issue, they contact the manufacturer instead of telling the truth. The end user suffers from this and legitimately can’t trust anyone who says “look how good this knife is” because they made a feather stick with it. Jacob is giving his honest opinion on your knife, and I for one, am so very glad that someone finally is stating their honest opinion. Just because you don’t agree, doesn’t mean he did something wrong. I am very curious as to how you arrived at the price point though. I’ve never seen a D2 production knife that costs $300. Especially when you can get a full custom CMP-S30 V for less. -Justin Vititoe
Rockcastle Training Hi Justin. Thanks for the comment. And for reaching back. My only concern is that what is said and done when it is attached personally to my character and reputation is done fairly and accurately. Jacob made some damaging assertions and implications in his video. He applied opinion that is inaccurate (or at least subjective) with regards to the materials used and performed a poorly executed chopping test of the knife. He implied that I made false claims (essentially calling me a liar) but never reached out To me personally for clarity before publishing this. That’s all. He could have been even more balanced had he gotten my perspective. Now I need to respond... which I would not normally do. On knife cost... Good question. It’s crazy expensive to manufacture the knife, custom milled bolts, handles and sheath components 100% in the USA. A quick trip to Blade Show will reset anyone’s perspective on quality knife cost. MSK-1 being a really great value as a very unique knife system. Hope this helps brother. Thanks for the questions...
So you can honestly say that you believe that knife is worth the money? Solely based on the knife quality and it’s “survival knife” features? I just watched your video on this knife and it really sounds like a gimmick honestly. I don’t know you or your motives, but things just really don’t seem to add up.
Rockcastle Training :) It’s NOT worth the money to everyone bro. If it was $100 some people would still complain. Not everyone has $300+ dollars for a knife. I get that. But for those who want a great knife and can afford it... it’s certainly worth it and the claims are true. Dude it works. Jacob is one opinion.... here is a link to an update where you can read and see stories of others who have a different opinion than Jacob... the-ultimate-all-purpose-knife-that-could-save-you.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders/project_updates#preorder-nav
Ultimate Survival Tips, just looked at your page. I don’t watch much on RUclips, so I had no idea who you were. I get it, we all have to make a living and markup because of popularity is a real thing for sure. Capitalism at it’s finest, and I have no issue with that at all. Again, I’m not trying to speak for Jacob in any way, but we have had multiple, in depth conversations about this stuff. I believe that there’s a moral responsibility in marketing. However, things are worth exactly what people will pay for them. So if you have people buying this for $300, then I guess it’s worth that. I personally wouldn’t spend that kind of money on it, but that’s my prerogative. Way back when the TOPS tracker first came out, I had to have one. I purchased it and very quickly realized that it was basically a sharpened crow bar and almost completely worthless. I wish someone would have been honest and saved me some money. I believe that is the spirit of what Jacob is trying to accomplish in his videos.
My thanks Jacob, I have been looking forward for a blunt truth no shenanigans whatsoever review on this product. And you have helped me revaluate my any and all future purchases, not that I have bought it.
This is one of the best reviews i have ever seen! You have the curage to say what you think and in doing so, you suport the knife comunity! Thank you verry mutch! Stay as tough as you are!
I'd 100% agree with you. The esse 6 or 5 is way better for a 1/3 the cost oh and unconditional lifetime guarantee is amazing. My esse 6 has been through hell and back over three years of abuse and hard use, but is always ready for more.
No Matter the Knife D2 steel will never be my only knife or tool if the SHTF lol... i could buy 3 or 4 BK9s which i have carried for 4 years in Canadian winters...your on point Jacob..new Sub
Great video, n yes I own 1, I love the knife, but the sharpening side did worry me prior to this video n now you've reinforced my worries. Very Appreciative of your honesty 👏 👌
$65 becker BK7 and a $35 estwing hatchet and i'm good doing pretty much anything . and when they dull i can sharpen both of them on a river rock or even a brick ! good video Brother i subbed .
Jacob,as usual I totally agree with you my friend. D2 with a hollow grind is a total nightmare.. especially if you hope to keep your blade's tip. I would love to see the knife with the improvements that you said, now that is a knife I would add to my collection. Thank you so very much for your honesty and integrity. God bless you and your family my friend.
Richard Heavilin Hi Richard, This is David. Please see the comment that I just posted in response to Jacob’s 4 major issues: D2 Steel, Chopping, Fine Detail Work and Hollow Grind. I think my comment will help bring clarity... Hope this helps! -David
Glad that you were being honest in your opinion about the MSK1 pros and cons, especially about the steel. If the steel is changed to high carbon steel that could be sharpened, I wouldn't worry so much about chopping something so thick as that branch. Always room for improvement.
I personal rate the msk1 a good all round knife,,, David has put a lot of work into designing this knife and in my opinion has done a amazing job,, haters are always gonna hate I suppose
You haven't said anything substantive here. You have your opinion, with no supporting explanation, and then misrepresented the video as though he was just "hating to hate". No. He gave thorough, substantive arguments, explaining the specific reasons why the knife isn't as good as the maker claims it to be. He also applauded the qualities of the knife.
I think i have totally turned around- although it wouldnt be my go to for the best steel to use on a premium knife for the end of the world- it might be time to publicly talk about it. Ill prob get a video up on it soon.
Thanks for the honest review. Personally, as a custom smith, I'd stick with 80crv2 steel. I've had good success with it as a heavy duty performer . Easy enough to sharpen and can be made to be crazy durable
I've been using mainly SUP9 and 5160 for larger blades, been thinking of switching to 80crv2. Is it worth the extra money? What's it like to grind and heat treat?
@@jimmygrey6848 sorry, I didn't see this reply sooner. 80crv2 grinds pretty much like any other 80point carbon steel. Trick is it does not heat treat like 5160. It's very similar to 1080+ from years back but is it's own alloy with the vanadium added to it for grain refining and toughness. If you normalize it like 5160 you'll form carbide in the steel and burn up a shit ton of drill bits, normalize at your final heat being a dull red and it'll drill better. I still suggest carbide bits to save time though. 80crv2 needs soak times at your normalizing temps and also at your quench temp.
Joaquin Nava i feel like i should value everything as compared to Council Tool axes. Like... if i want to buy a car, is it REALLY worth 400 council tool axes, or just 40? This is a life changing way of thinking, i love it!!!
It looks like they came up with the better, cheaper, MSK1 Black and MSK1 Primitive, mainly from comments like yours and the community. In Dave’s defense, he does say, “If you had to pick one knife”. I wouldn’t, personally, choose a hatchet as my one and only tool forever, and some might. I’m buying the Primitive, first chance I get. Thanks for the video!
I have always appreciated your point of view & honesty!!One tool option has always been a boys Axe 24”-28” for me! Skill set is where the real one tool option is at IMHO.I just think that if people really practiced & used axe/hatchets like they use to, they would understand that a knife just can’t do what a Axe/hatchet can do as efficiently.Then again I’m an AXE JUNKIE!!!😁
ThePreppersBunkerOutdoors No shame at all. I love hatchets and they do pack better . I thought your Council Tool pack Axe was 24”. Either way your a fellow axe junkie and I have much respect for what you do! 🇺🇸 MERICA!!!
The axe shown in the video is the velvicut Hudson bay pattern belt axe. I also have the 24 inch pack axe, which is my favorite, a pre production pack axe 19", and a saddle axe :-)
I'm not really familiar with different steels and which are better for knives, ax blades, etc. But the fact that this knife is hard/ impossible to sharpen in the field and is expensive as hell, well than that's just highway robbery.... Thanks for making an honest review.
It took me a while, but I'm subscribing to you. Honesty over greed. Dave was obviously drunk on the blade hq interview. He wasn't able to recall scout carry. Thank you
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors unfortunately , it says alot about blade Hq as well. They gave dave a huge stamp of approval. I'm just trying to learn as much as i can. Take in the good. Leave the bad. Dave, seemed drunk on the blade hq interview. Tells me he may not be good at social survival.
Its got better steel now in the newer elite series it has 154cm and it is much better at sharpening and edge retention and to be honest much superior than older version.
I saw your opinion of the knife, so I love how honest you were both for giving him props on what he got right and did well on, and how you ripped into him and called him out on his B.S. I agreed with you on most counts, however, I would not want a longer knife. the versatility of the knife is awesome, however, the scrape pummel should not include a fero-rod striker. it is awkward to use in this location and subtracts from the pummel in a very unnecessary way.
There you have it, axes are ACTUALLY liabilities! All sarcasm aside, this is such a refreshing review, cutting through an unbelievable amount of hype. I'm glad there are people like you out there, sir!
As soon as I saw the heavy over the top advertising for this (like a lot of stuff on UST channel) and looked at the design I just couldn't see the sense in it. Kind of reminded me of another knife I'd never own, the Tom Brown Tracker. I'm glad you made this video and appreciate your honesty. Even if it was made in 1095 it would still be overpriced according to the established business model of oversell/underdeliver.
When someone tolls me "a quarter inch thick" then says "Hollow grind" I just throw up my hands and walk away. They obviously miss the whole point of SURVIVAL KNIFE Chris Tanner just went through this with Schrade Am I wrong ??????????
Great review didn’t realize it was D2 love the honesty almost brought it. Disappointed they chose that as metal. Sounded spot on. Super expensive for a none branded knife. Esse Becker benchmade cost much less. Was trying to figure what was true and not. Thanks
I see your points Jake. I Like David and followed his progression with this knife but didn't dwell much on his marketing because I kinda have a good feel for knives and know what I want. I wished him well but I would never purchase at his price... way too high for what it is. I have a few D2 blades and like them just fine. I would think D2 could perform admirably with a proper heat treat but I haven't tested extreme toughness... I know you will and can't wait to see the results. Keep us posted.
I think that D2 is great for a lot of things and has its place. That place just certainly for me is not anywhere near the word survival. I appreciate your input bud!
cyclist01222 Hey Brother... how’s it going? Yes... please see my comments to Jacobs video... that I just posted... if you are interested. Yes... D2 for blades is all about heat treat. And we are working on an MSK-1 option that should be a bit more affordable in the future. Stay tuned. Talk soon... -David
I just got my msk elite warrior 4 days ago this knife is awesome!!! It was perfect in every way! I cloud not! Find 1 machine mark brr scratch Any were even with a magnifying glass I was stunned! It is beautiful! It's the nicest man made object I have ever seen!!! I was in shock! Well the center of gravity is perfect! Thecenter of pressure is perfect! The balance is perfect! The grip is fantastic! The choir is largely a greater grip then most knives have!!! It's 154 cm steel ! Razor sharp! The survival kit is No gimmick! The stuff will work and save your butt! The finish is unbelievable! Sheath is a work of art! Double edge makes awesome arrowhead look! And is deadly ! The sedation/ saw is great! Very very strong! The knife was indeed very well thought out! I paid 340 bucks I'd gladly pay 500 and no I'm no rich ! I have a few hundred knifes in my life time This thing is really phenomenal! Jumping is great and plenty of it! I believe the micarta is canvas is a little course great grip ! The bow screw looks perfect the Chicago screw are great this guy left no stone un turned! Honest! And it is beautiful to look at and hold! The ferro rod cut is fine no problems! Non look its not a axe ok but it can chop great! You need to go to position 2 move way back on the grip to get real good leverage The blades mass is dead center! It batons great and man for very fine work it's great! I dont know this guy and the pommel crusher is jimped too ! and can to nasty nasty stuff ! Look I didn't like the guy either lol ok! I never dreamed it was so good. Bottom line the man did his research this idea a long time! And it shows! I'm not a fan of attachments. But I'm gonna get the rerro rod baby blade and definitely orange handles! Black too! My one bitch ? Is I wish it was inch longer only because my tracker is bigger! Look it is a great knife! It is my go to shtf tool now!!!
A good and honest rewiev. When disigner draws a picture of this knife as a "one-tool-options", and that you do not need an axe, it falls into its own unreasonability. Dave is in this youtube fam. he to, so he knows very well that he fools people with his allegations. And thats bad! Saw Dave`s rewiev of this knife after Yours, and, according to him, there's hardly a better knife out there..
The truth will set you free! Thank you for making this video!! This knife wasn’t worth a dame. You need an axe and a bow saw people to process enough wood to ever survive the winter months this knife is a gimmick an nothing more! I feel bad for all the people that wasted there $money on this decked out lawn more blade.
Not to be rude or anything but one thing I noticed was that on the comparison to this small hatchet...one thing he was doing was batoning through the larger trees and the smaller ones like brush branches he was chopping. I don't think it's a realistic comparison but it's hard to compare an axe to a knife because they are completely different tools. However you have a valid veiw point .
Good review. I like people that are honest about what they see. I agree about 2 things the steel D2 in general pain to sharpen I hate knifes that are hard to sharpen because you can never keep them sharp as you like. It just take way to much time. Second hollow grind on a thick knife is just bad news because when you split wood it is not helping at all. High saber or full flat grind will be ideal. About chopping it is simple physics that a short knife can't really chop because there is no mechanical advantage.
"Best" is super subjective, especially when a price point isnt given. For production knives that i can afford, the best bang for the buck is a mora companion, because its $8. My favorite 2 bushcraft knives are the esee pr4 and the casstrom sfk. My favorite mini bushcraft knife is an esee cr2.5, and my favorite edc bushcraft knife is an esee jg3. So there are a lot of variables to consider.
Extremely good review and honest as always. Ive never liked the knife myself and not its far from a one tool option. A esee junglas yes sir. Love your videoes and how you review stuff sir
Whats your top #10 blade steels you will choose for a survival knife from favorite to least favorite and would your favorite survival knife steel also be your choice #1 choice for a bushcraft knife
Great question! Probably as follows0 #1- 80crv2 #2- 1084 #3- 5160 #4- 1080 #5- 52100 #6- 12c27 #7- O2 (bohler k720) #8- 52100 #9- 1095 #10- Cpm3v As for whether or not those would be my go to choices for a Bushcraft knife... probably. Bushcraft knives can be run harder with steels that hold an edge longer, but why? Ease of sharpening is the way to go.
Thank you, maybe if you'll have the opportunity we'll have a review of it later. I was asking because this two knives I was saving up for, and now I'm down to one. Thank you very much. Keep it up.
It doesn’t mean much but after that video you earned another sub. Finally someone to call out the joke that is the msk1. Over priced over hyped piece of garbage. All these other RUclips channel saying how great this overpriced paper weight is. Finally someone with enough balls to call out this bullshit. Thank you for that
Ill admit that just being a subscriber means nothing to me, half of my subs probably hate my guts and subscribe just so that they can troll me. But a sub that actually appreciates what I do and more importantly WHY I do it? That is gold, I am glad to have ya.
So, I've been getting into bushcraft, but pretty soon I'll have the money to be able to buy decent tools. Which survival knife do you recommend? I'm very picky, because it is something I expect to use all the time if I need it. If you could help me step into this world in the proper fashion, that would be life changing sir! Hopefully you read this
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors price range isn't much of a worry, worst case I save up and buy when I have enough. I just want the most reliable for long haul. Climate is Wisconsin, so preferably a well adaptable tool for longevity. I noticed you seem to know a ton about axes as well, I have a family that I look after, so if you have recommendations in that field, I'm eager to learn and hear your input. I know this video is a little dated at this point, I saw that this company came out with the same knife with better steel. Is it something you'd recommend considering the changes they've made?
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors I appreciate and am surprised that you replied, especially so quickly. Please know how much I appreciate you trying to help us yuppies, especially in today's climate of what us citizens have to put up with. Hopefully 2024 will be more favorable for us as a nation
@@coltonbenirschke7944 no, for the quality vs price i dont think this blade in better steel is a good option. So in wisconsin fire prep could be a huge, brutal deal- and freezing temps can be HARD on a blade. A thick edge will be tough, but wont cut as well as a thinner blade, and will feel duller than it actually is much more quickly. So, with that being said, here is my recommendation without knowing too much or asking a ton more questions- #1- mora kansbol- this isnt your survival blade, but its a good blade to practice with at about $30. If in the process of practicing you ruin it... oh well. The experience you had gained in ruining the knife is WELL worth the price, and if you dont ruin it, its still a DANG good knife! #2- a silky saw- up in wisconsin a good saw can save your life. If you havent practiced much with a pocket saw (only using pressure on the draw stroke) get an extra blade. These are REALLY good saws. #3- the survival knife itself- This is the hardest one, your budget concept is a good one. I would probably save up and order a good 6-8" bladed, 3/16"- 1/4" custom knife in 1080, 1084, 80crv2, or 8670 from Bear Forest Knives, Papa Bear Knives, or Dry Creek Forge. I am guessing the expected price would be somewhere around $300, which is MUCH better a price and value than that might sounds. Other steel options i would consider would be aebl, cpm3v, carpenter cd1, and ztuff. All these custom makers make a beef cake blade with PRACTICAL edge geometry with a great heat treat at a great price- these guys USE knives and sell TOOLS, not just pretty things with gimmicks. Most could offer you a model that they think best suited to your budget, taste, and use. As for an axe i would recommend any axe from council tools premium line in the size that you need. They have everything from tiny belt hatchets to bigger swinging axes, and everything in their premium line is amazing.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors wow! This info is so greatly appreciated! Luckily for me, I used to build houses and worked a lot with wood in my time. Only 29, but the experience I do have I tried to play on. I just wanted a more experienced opinion on these tools. Silky saws are definitely on the list, and the knowledge you have on the types of steel is something I can only aspire to grasp. I have moderate knowledge on axes, but you're input is invaluable. Unfortunately, I've had a soft spot for the tacticool stuff, trying to fit a many tools into the least amount of baggage possible. Been learning fairly quickly that those tools are usually the ones that are least dependable, still training that urge out of my system and sticking with the tried and true tools. Thank you again so so much for your input again. You definitely didn't have to take your time to respond, let alone go in depth. I'm glad I found your channel!
Survival on Purpose is testing the knife too. Its funny that he is using at as regular knife, doing tasks i can do with my 20 $ Mora. On top of that he is trying to justify the 300 $ price tag. The most funny thing of all he openly admitted that he did't buy the knife he got it for free but he is strongly recommending the product. I wish more people were honest like you .
He is a pretty good guy, but yeah, in his review he purposefully references my video and slandering it and me a bit, but thats ok- because it shows that Dave from ust has my review so deep under his skin that he has to go to other channels begging.
Bushcraft & survival skills are very much centered on the individual. Experience & training play more into successful survival then the tool. Truth is based on individual confirmation of claims. Not everyone will survive. Thanks for your review of the tool.
I'm fine with my knives. My favorite is my SXB, but even if it is a proven survival knife, I think it's foolish to believe in a one tool option. I don't get lost or survive out in the woods, but when my family and I go camping, we go on state land and pretty deep in the woods, for a real, relaxing, and nature enjoying experience. That said, most areas only have so much dead fall and even some of it sucks for firewood, there is a lot of wood processing required to have enough wood for a week, especially if one is winter camping. I'm not stupid enough to rely on just a knife or one tool, I'm willing to carry the extra weight in tools if needed if it means I can harvest the resources I need or makes the job that much easier. The whole survival thing, especially the knives, it's been marketed so heavily, it's sick, lol. I know the limitations on my SXB, and thus I still carry as at least a hawk, but to say this knife could be a one tool option? foolish. The steel? Price? Size? I'm sorry but it's all ridiculous! I'd much rather get a Bark River, preferably something from dark Timber, and buy my "survival" stuff from Walmart and I would have a bigger, better materials and geometry, more capable, and more gear cheaper than what these knives with its survival kits are going for.
thank you for the reply and I am looking forward to seeing the gunslinger in action i hope you have a good day and thanks for the grate videos/info your test help me out a lot
My d2 caracal shaves.. just get diamond stones and take 5 minutes extra. The problem with this knife is probably the geometry. I wouldn’t use d2 for a hollow grind though. Love it for my folder it stays sharp for a loooong time cutting boxes etc
I like the look and steel on this knife looks like it works great in the videos I’ve seen but is it true this costs $300 because if it is that’s over priced by literally $150 is this true. Guess I could look it up but I’m lazy hopefully your not and will get back to me thanx.
Barry Bueler the steel is fine for what most people will do in the back yard. That is not what this knife is marketed as. But with a different steel and grind, and price, it could certainly be an acceptable blade.
Just wondering if you've done a review of the Tops Tom brown tracker, I like the concept and idea of the Tracker being a heavy knife that's capable of a variety of uses , because over the years in the UK , Europe and Philippines I've used a variety of knives made from different materials but all of the same sort of shape and design , some capable and some about as much use as a chocolate fire guard , the only two I wish I still had was my Cold steel SRK and my Bolo made by a local Blacksmith in the Philippines from an old leaf spring.
I had at one point, but it was deleted at some point. I dont think the design is well executed by Tops, and i dont like the tracker design anyways because i dont like a primary edge that is broken.
dfcvda "best" is incredibly subjective. But any carbon or simple stainless should be fine. I have a "choosing a survival knife for beginners" that you might want to check out.
Thanks for the honest review it is a nice knife with some great ideas really high price range but if you can afford it why not I have a pretty extensive knife collection and my most expensive knife is around $111. Great knife though. Me personally a knife could never replace a great Hatchet
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The main problem with the one tool concept is that it is often pushed by people who seem to have a vested interest in knife sales. People who often never leave their suburban back yards yet speak at great length on wilderness survival. Much better to have a slim sharp knife for knife stuff and a hatchet for all the walloping and brutality. Kudos for you for your honesty.
Finally! Someone who gives an honest opinion on the knife!
How dare you share you honest assessment of a product.
He's obviously a agent from a rival company trying to sack the MSK-1
I dare say he does🤔🤔. Take AWAY HIS........ADDDDSSSSS AND SUUUUEEEEE HIM
@@TheHunter-fn1yi yeah ddoooooo it!!!
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Thank you for your review and opinion. We need more people like you who aren't afraid to give their full and honest opinion. I thought it was a fair review in which you highlighted the parts you liked and gave good rationale to explain the parts you didn't like.
2 thumbs up for honesty, 2 thousand thumbs up for the goat!!! Seriously, thank you for this review. There are not that many videos about this knife, and even less videos that list cons about this knife. I was on the fence about buying the MSK-1 until I saw your video, me and my wallet thank you!
He is awesome!!! The goats got into last nights vid a bit, but they will be around more soon!
This is not a chopping knife it can also chop!It is a survival situation knife, it has to do the works of a cutting knife, chopping knife,carving knife etc........ So apart from its price!! the knife is perfect!!
Dude your video is right on point. D2 isn't what people think it is. So is some Damascus. This knife I don't believe should be carried by itself. I'd definitely still have a big chopper on me for sure.
Noticed that David now has a newer design out. Looks like a more conventional fixed blade knife. Similar to the Cold Steel SRK (which itself is a basic clip-point knife with a comfortable handle). And quite frankly, if I could only grab one knife to bug-out with or survive in the woods, yeah I'm grabbing my SRK or my Ka-bar/Becker BK7.... Another conventional clip-point knife with a comfortable handle.
I get it. David's design works best for him. And, it does have quite a lot to recommend it to others. But, it doesn't do fine cutting chores nearly as well as David claims. And, it is definitely not a replacement for a small axe/hatchet. For him to having said that it is, was just disingenuous. Before he started this project, David's channel was educational and even fun to tune into. His smile in every video was warm and felt genuine. Without David looking goofy. By the time he was done with this project, smile was gone and he clearly was just angry. Who knows, maybe because that first run of his knife didn't sell well. Too expensive. He did better when he later released the Primitive version at half the price of the original, which made it competitive with other survival knives on the market.
I saw the new model and am still considering purchasing it.
Really my only wish with the rollout of this msk1 was that his marketing was more honest- thats what did it for me.
He seems to be marketing the new knife MUCH better which i am glad to see.
I respect the heck out of this video! Way to speak the truth! I know from personal experience that what you say is completely accurate. You also did the critique in the most respectful way possible. Huge respect for you!
Just wait, the zombie hate messages and trolls will be here soon. Thanks for your support man!
Thanks for the heads-up. I liked your style, you didn’t get overly confrontational, just stated your data on the knife.
New Sub.
Glad to have you bud! I really try to keep it level headed, I do fail sometimes, but I try ;-)
I really appreciate you doing a video on that knife. It was in my possible to get knives, and now it's not. I have respect for Dave but to make false claims to hype up a knife that won't perform, and at an extreme price, is just wrong. You can almost buy two junglas 2's for that cost lol. Thanks again and thanks for your honesty!
Mato Luta Hi Mato! How’s it going? Please see my response to Jacob’s review. It’s the “rest of the story” and addresses Jacob’s 4 main issues: D2 Steel, Chopping, Fine Detail Work, Hollow Grind
Hi Jacob - this is David. Thank you for your review. However, I wish you would have contacted me prior to your post... you did quite a bit of character assignation here that I felt was inappropriate (see below). FOR "the OTHER Side of the Story" - I would like to briefly address and clarify the FOUR of your major points in your review: D2 Steel / Chopping / Hollow Grind of Knife and Fine Detail Work.
1 - D2 STEEL
Metallurgy is a complicated science. You are not the first to bring concerns about D2 (or frankly many other steels) - as Knife Steel (in general) seems to be a hotly debated topic.
With regards to the MSK-1 and my final decision to use D2 - I consulted with Jeff Freeman on steel selection based on my VERY unique criteria did my due diligence / research and testing during the prototype process of over 2 years...
I wanted a tough, knife that retained its edge and returned easily to sharp in the field.
Through the process of testing Knife steels - I had come appreciate the properties and benefits of (properly heat-treated) D2 as per Jeff’s specs as I received in prototypes 3-5.
It would be a long, complicated and quite boring debate to get into the science of this. But the heat treat is key and makes all the difference In the world for any Blade steel, including MSK-1 D2.
In the end, when I decided on the steel, my experience (testing MSK-1) and consultation with Jeff (with his, training, experience and science) proved out that D2 was a great choice. Which I stand by.
As far as sharpening... did you happen to go to the MSK-1 user guide where I show you how to return your MKS-1s edge? If not, you really should check it out. It will
help you. Here’s the link: ultimatesurvivaltips.com/msk1-guide/
There are may helpful video tutorials on the page above. Let me know what if you think I need any additional ones.
But (in short) SHARPENING a properly used MSK-1 knife can usually be done without sharpening at all - by simply stropping. Beyond this, a few strokes on a ceramic rod usually does the trick.
Although I did use my MKS-1 Mini improperly once (driving the blade into nails) and damaged the Blade BAD. I restored the edge in the field in about 45 minutes.
As far as D2 strength, I have not heard of any broken MSK-1s, nor have I broken one.
Please have your friend contact me immediately so I can assess any issue with the knife and determine the cause. And SO I can place his knife if needed and honor my MSK-1 guarantee.
On a side note... I don’t know many knives beyond 1/4” thick. So my claim that the MSK-1 is - one of the thickest knives you can buy - stands.
2 - CHOPPING
On Chopping... Two things of note... my story is true. I no longer carry a hatchet.. because the MSK-1 performs so well processing reasonably sized wood.
I believe your test could have been better. There was a significant height difference between when you chopped with the hatchet and the MSK-1. Having these at the same height would have been a better baseline. Generally there would be a disadvantage for the blade chopping material that is higher. Also... being further out on the limb chopping would lend itself to more vibration from the wood... and be a less stable platform.
Chopping a small tree, batoning wood, a more level test vs. the hatchet... I think you would have been more pleased with the results. There is a bit of technique to chopping with MSK-1 also. I could not tell from your video anything on technique. But I will be rolling out more tutorial videos this year.
I'm not saying the MSK-1 would have out performed the hatchet, but MKS-1 does serve as a good chopping tool. WAY better than you showed or gave it credit for... and makes is unnecessary to carry two tools IMO.
So - does MSK-1 replace / eliminate a need for a hatchet? In my opinion yes!
Is it better than every hatchet for every hatchetable task. Probably not. But for a one tool option, it’s WAY better than you showed.
Does MSK-1 replace and axe? No. This was a mistaken comment I made in an interview after a long day at a show. My bad. But I would NEVER carry an axe.
However I do carry a Silky Saw for larger and various camp tasks...
BUT - in a pinch - with only ONE tool, can MSK-1 perform a wide variety of slicing, cutting, chopping and baton tasks? YES.
But obviously other single tools may be better. If the MSK-1 was a hatchet. I'd be a hatchet. However in many situations it does chop like a hatchet. If that makes sense.
3 - FINE DETAIL WORK
MSK-1 is not a carving knife. But it can do a surprisingly good job at tip carving and other fine detail work. The carved branch face you see in the MSK-1 video was done by me with only the MSK-1 in about an hour or so. It can work like a fine carving tool if you have some skill and keep it sharp.
4 - HOLLOW GRIND
You must have an MSK-1 from our first production run. MSK-1 was NEVER Intended to have a Hollow Grind. This was done by our (now fired) original company who did that part of the grinding process.
NO MSK-1s beyond this original small first batch are hollow ground. Once we realized this - I got one in here for testing and found it to be just as reliable and capable as the previous prototypes... with the bonus of being a slightly better tool for fine work.
My challenge to your complaint is that it’s based on the pre-judgment of dynamics hollow grinds - not based on the capabilities or your experience with the MSK-1 Knife at least not in THIS video). In this case... because of the other aspects of the MSK-1 design - hollow grind just happens to work on the MSK-1.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of hollow grinds most of the time... but - for several reasons, it worked really well in the first production run so I went with it. However, the Hollow grind is gone forever on MSK-1.
So, You ACTUALLY have a collectors edition model... because there will NEVER be another Hollow Ground MSK-1 made. But, I’d gladly trade a new MSK-1 (from my next batch) for the one you have. And if you are REALLY dissatisfied with your MSK-1 I will gladly take it back and give you a full refund. MSK-1 is NOT for everyone. And I'm good with that. That's why there are THOUSANDS or knives to choose from.
Jacob, I hope this all helps. MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH YOUR REVIEW was the OPINION-BASED, subjective nature of the review and how you tied it to vilifying me and concluding that I was not telling the truth. You called me a liar bro!
You could have looked at the knife and choosing to share your OPINIONS of its performance and how it worked for you or NOT... This is COOL!
However, you chose to go after my integrity. This saddens me. And is NOT COOL!
I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION... just maybe next time consider not assigning / judging motive or questioning character. This is always dangerous and usually leads to hurt.
Since you say you are a Christian, I would challenge you also to consider whether this is the way we as believers should approach others we critique in a public forum.
And is this sort of review model (where you defame the name of someone else) worth a few pats on the back and some views on RUclips? We all that to make these decisions.
Just know I am always here AND HAVE BEEN here, willing to speak with you (or anyone) if you have any questions, comments or concerns about what I do and say. I am probably one of the easiest folks to approach and work through issues you might have with me. I will certainly listen and say I am wrong when I am wrong.
Please do reach out and at least give me and (in the future) others - the opportunity at least share our story so that your information and / or perspective / understanding is balanced.
And please watch assigning motive without knowledge of a person. Reaping and sowing is a powerful thing.
You will have to choose for yourself what you want to reap and sow brother. Think about this.
Last thing... HERE ARE - MSK-1 STORIES - from MSK-1 users who have opinions contrary to yours: the-ultimate-all-purpose-knife-that-could-save-you.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders/project_updates#preorder-nav
LAST NOTE: I literally have had NO COMPLAINTS about MSK-1 until your video. Not a single one from hundreds and hundreds of users in the field. I have had a few suggestions on the Mini sheath and the handle strap. But as far as I know - I have 99.5% happy customers (you are the .5% percent).
MSK-1s are deployed all around the world and are performing well... even on battle fields.
Thanks brother!
-David
Ultimate Survival Tips , I don’t mean to speak for Jacob, but I doubt that he would have had an issue if this was a $100 knife.
Also, what you described in your first paragraph is exactly what is wrong with this community because it’s almost impossible to find a unbiased knife review on RUclips. That’s because people get paid or get free stuff to do reviews and if they have an issue, they contact the manufacturer instead of telling the truth. The end user suffers from this and legitimately can’t trust anyone who says “look how good this knife is” because they made a feather stick with it.
Jacob is giving his honest opinion on your knife, and I for one, am so very glad that someone finally is stating their honest opinion. Just because you don’t agree, doesn’t mean he did something wrong.
I am very curious as to how you arrived at the price point though. I’ve never seen a D2 production knife that costs $300. Especially when you can get a full custom CMP-S30 V for less.
-Justin Vititoe
Rockcastle Training Hi Justin. Thanks for the comment. And for reaching back.
My only concern is that what is said and done when it is attached personally to my character and reputation is done fairly and accurately. Jacob made some damaging assertions and implications in his video. He applied opinion that is inaccurate (or at least subjective) with regards to the materials used and performed a poorly executed chopping test of the knife. He implied that I made false claims (essentially calling me a liar) but never reached out
To me personally for clarity before publishing this. That’s all. He could have been even more balanced had he gotten my perspective. Now I need to respond... which I would not normally do.
On knife cost... Good question. It’s crazy expensive to manufacture the knife, custom milled bolts, handles and sheath components 100% in the USA. A quick trip to Blade Show will reset anyone’s perspective on quality knife cost. MSK-1 being a really great value as a very unique knife system. Hope this helps brother. Thanks for the questions...
So you can honestly say that you believe that knife is worth the money? Solely based on the knife quality and it’s “survival knife” features?
I just watched your video on this knife and it really sounds like a gimmick honestly. I don’t know you or your motives, but things just really don’t seem to add up.
Rockcastle Training :) It’s NOT worth the money to everyone bro. If it was $100 some people would still complain. Not everyone has $300+ dollars for a knife. I get that. But for those who want a great knife and can afford it... it’s certainly worth it and the claims are true. Dude it works. Jacob is one opinion.... here is a link to an update where you can read and see stories of others who have a different opinion than Jacob... the-ultimate-all-purpose-knife-that-could-save-you.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders/project_updates#preorder-nav
Ultimate Survival Tips, just looked at your page. I don’t watch much on RUclips, so I had no idea who you were. I get it, we all have to make a living and markup because of popularity is a real thing for sure. Capitalism at it’s finest, and I have no issue with that at all.
Again, I’m not trying to speak for Jacob in any way, but we have had multiple, in depth conversations about this stuff. I believe that there’s a moral responsibility in marketing. However, things are worth exactly what people will pay for them. So if you have people buying this for $300, then I guess it’s worth that.
I personally wouldn’t spend that kind of money on it, but that’s my prerogative. Way back when the TOPS tracker first came out, I had to have one. I purchased it and very quickly realized that it was basically a sharpened crow bar and almost completely worthless. I wish someone would have been honest and saved me some money. I believe that is the spirit of what Jacob is trying to accomplish in his videos.
My thanks Jacob, I have been looking forward for a blunt truth no shenanigans whatsoever review on this product.
And you have helped me revaluate my any and all future purchases, not that I have bought it.
You earn my subscription with a rare honesty needed to make informed purchases.
Badr Waheed glad to have you!
This is one of the best reviews i have ever seen! You have the curage to say what you think and in doing so, you suport the knife comunity! Thank you verry mutch! Stay as tough as you are!
I'd 100% agree with you. The esse 6 or 5 is way better for a 1/3 the cost oh and unconditional lifetime guarantee is amazing. My esse 6 has been through hell and back over three years of abuse and hard use, but is always ready for more.
True.
My Esee 4 is a tank, love to get a 6 one day
No Matter the Knife D2 steel will never be my only knife or tool if the SHTF lol... i could buy 3 or 4 BK9s which i have carried for 4 years in Canadian winters...your on point Jacob..new Sub
Yup, glad to have you!
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors cheers man...i agree with your opinion...marketing is aimed at the naive ....looking forward to more vids.....
Great video, n yes I own 1, I love the knife, but the sharpening side did worry me prior to this video n now you've reinforced my worries. Very Appreciative of your honesty 👏 👌
$65 becker BK7 and a $35 estwing hatchet and i'm good doing pretty much anything . and when they dull i can sharpen both of them on a river rock or even a brick !
good video Brother i subbed .
Jacob,as usual I totally agree with you my friend. D2 with a hollow grind is a total nightmare.. especially if you hope to keep your blade's tip. I would love to see the knife with the improvements that you said, now that is a knife I would add to my collection. Thank you so very much for your honesty and integrity. God bless you and your family my friend.
Richard Heavilin Hi Richard, This is David. Please see the comment that I just posted in response to Jacob’s 4 major issues: D2 Steel, Chopping, Fine Detail Work and Hollow Grind. I think my comment will help bring clarity... Hope this helps! -David
Ultimate Survival Tips, OK, we get it you responded to Jacobs review. Do yourself a favor and stop splattering the the horse meat around............
Glad that you were being honest in your opinion about the MSK1 pros and cons, especially about the steel. If the steel is changed to high carbon steel that could be sharpened, I wouldn't worry so much about chopping something so thick as that branch. Always room for improvement.
I've been looking at this knife for almost two years thanks for the honest review
Shawn Payne my pleasure.
Thank Jesus. I was just about to place a pre-order for this knife. I fell for the hype. Thank you J.
Glad to help, feel free to reach out with any questions
I personal rate the msk1 a good all round knife,,, David has put a lot of work into designing this knife and in my opinion has done a amazing job,, haters are always gonna hate I suppose
You haven't said anything substantive here. You have your opinion, with no supporting explanation, and then misrepresented the video as though he was just "hating to hate". No. He gave thorough, substantive arguments, explaining the specific reasons why the knife isn't as good as the maker claims it to be. He also applauded the qualities of the knife.
Tell us how you really feel! LOL! Appreciate the honesty of your review, keep up the good work!
Great review! Interesting thoughts about D2 - do you still hold this view after using the Halfbreed Tools?
I think i have totally turned around- although it wouldnt be my go to for the best steel to use on a premium knife for the end of the world- it might be time to publicly talk about it. Ill prob get a video up on it soon.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors Thats awesome man! I was getting a little worried there LOL! I haven't had any issues sharpening HBB stuff.
Thanks for the honest review. Personally, as a custom smith, I'd stick with 80crv2 steel. I've had good success with it as a heavy duty performer . Easy enough to sharpen and can be made to be crazy durable
pat biggin 80crv2 is my favorite steel!
I've been using mainly SUP9 and 5160 for larger blades, been thinking of switching to 80crv2. Is it worth the extra money? What's it like to grind and heat treat?
Jimmy Grey heat treat shouldnt be any more difficult, and neither should grinding.
@@jimmygrey6848 sorry, I didn't see this reply sooner. 80crv2 grinds pretty much like any other 80point carbon steel. Trick is it does not heat treat like 5160. It's very similar to 1080+ from years back but is it's own alloy with the vanadium added to it for grain refining and toughness. If you normalize it like 5160 you'll form carbide in the steel and burn up a shit ton of drill bits, normalize at your final heat being a dull red and it'll drill better. I still suggest carbide bits to save time though. 80crv2 needs soak times at your normalizing temps and also at your quench temp.
Thanks for details man u cleared the things out and easy for me to chose a knife u are doing the best bro .Keep it up
Sukhdeep Cheema my pleasure will do!
First time viewer, loved the video and your insights. Subbed! That goat is adorable btw.
Thanks for your honest review of this blade, I for one appreciate it sir.
I'm just glad that i never jumped on this bandwagon. Good review man. God Bless
Excellent and honest video my friend. Scandinavian knife lover.
Probably the best knife review I’ve seen. What I’ve always suspected of D2 steel. Good for the weekend deer skinning knife but very hard to sharpen
Great honest review. Love your D2 comments.
Good info keep it up with your honest opinion save some money thanks
my pleasure- will do!
Thanks for your opinions, honesty and integrity!
Thanks for the review Jacob. For the price of that knife I could buy two council Axe and I would get more use from them.
Joaquin Nava i feel like i should value everything as compared to Council Tool axes. Like... if i want to buy a car, is it REALLY worth 400 council tool axes, or just 40? This is a life changing way of thinking, i love it!!!
It looks like they came up with the better, cheaper, MSK1 Black and MSK1 Primitive, mainly from comments like yours and the community. In Dave’s defense, he does say, “If you had to pick one knife”. I wouldn’t, personally, choose a hatchet as my one and only tool forever, and some might. I’m buying the Primitive, first chance I get. Thanks for the video!
I have always appreciated your point of view & honesty!!One tool option has always been a boys Axe 24”-28” for me! Skill set is where the real one tool option is at IMHO.I just think that if people really practiced & used axe/hatchets like they use to, they would understand that a knife just can’t do what a Axe/hatchet can do as efficiently.Then again I’m an AXE JUNKIE!!!😁
You know whats sad!? I don't have a boys axe!!! The shame!!!
Yeah, I am a fan!!! And its the perfect companion for your haversack!
ThePreppersBunkerOutdoors No shame at all. I love hatchets and they do pack better . I thought your Council Tool pack Axe was 24”. Either way your a fellow axe junkie and I have much respect for what you do! 🇺🇸 MERICA!!!
Malcolm Coderre yup I completely agree!
The axe shown in the video is the velvicut Hudson bay pattern belt axe. I also have the 24 inch pack axe, which is my favorite, a pre production pack axe 19", and a saddle axe :-)
You're onto something very valuable with your videos of honesty........and........your goat is cute.
Appreciate that
Thank you for honesty
Appreciated review and we'll versed argument for understanding the product marketing verses reality tested and cost to value.
Thanks for the education, always keeping real with the good, the bad, and the ugly.
I do my best buddy
I'm not really familiar with different steels and which are better for knives, ax blades, etc. But the fact that this knife is hard/ impossible to sharpen in the field and is expensive as hell, well than that's just highway robbery.... Thanks for making an honest review.
My pleasure!
Great informative video. Thank you.
I thought it was like you said but I wasn't sure until you did this video.
It took me a while, but I'm subscribing to you. Honesty over greed. Dave was obviously drunk on the blade hq interview. He wasn't able to recall scout carry. Thank you
Glad to have you! Man, who knows with that guy...
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors unfortunately , it says alot about blade Hq as well. They gave dave a huge stamp of approval. I'm just trying to learn as much as i can. Take in the good. Leave the bad. Dave, seemed drunk on the blade hq interview. Tells me he may not be good at social survival.
Its got better steel now in the newer elite series it has 154cm and it is much better at sharpening and edge retention and to be honest much superior than older version.
loved the goat attack at the 3:30 mark
Thats why I bring dogs to camping, goat is for dinner stew.
thank you for the honest review,
Lots of valid points made in this video, subbed bud. Always appreciate an unbiased review from someone who’s not afraid to ruffle feathers.
I saw your opinion of the knife, so I love how honest you were both for giving him props on what he got right and did well on, and how you ripped into him and called him out on his B.S. I agreed with you on most counts, however, I would not want a longer knife. the versatility of the knife is awesome, however, the scrape pummel should not include a fero-rod striker. it is awkward to use in this location and subtracts from the pummel in a very unnecessary way.
There you have it, axes are ACTUALLY liabilities! All sarcasm aside, this is such a refreshing review, cutting through an unbelievable amount of hype. I'm glad there are people like you out there, sir!
Thanks for having enough integrity and being honest even though it may not be popular among your peers. It earned my subscription. Thanks pal!
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As soon as I saw the heavy over the top advertising for this (like a lot of stuff on UST channel) and looked at the design I just couldn't see the sense in it. Kind of reminded me of another knife I'd never own, the Tom Brown Tracker. I'm glad you made this video and appreciate your honesty. Even if it was made in 1095 it would still be overpriced according to the established business model of oversell/underdeliver.
EarlyMist your right. I used to have a tracker video, but regrettably i took it down. I might have to revisit that.
Thank you for the really useful and fact based review. I agree 100 percent with hatchet and knife points.
When someone tolls me "a quarter inch thick" then says "Hollow grind" I just throw up my hands and walk away.
They obviously miss the whole point of SURVIVAL KNIFE
Chris Tanner just went through this with Schrade
Am I wrong ??????????
Oregon Bushcraft & outdoor channel smart man.
Yup!
Great review didn’t realize it was D2 love the honesty almost brought it. Disappointed they chose that as metal. Sounded spot on. Super expensive for a none branded knife. Esse Becker benchmade cost much less. Was trying to figure what was true and not. Thanks
I see your points Jake. I Like David and followed his progression with this knife but didn't dwell much on his marketing because I kinda have a good feel for knives and know what I want. I wished him well but I would never purchase at his price... way too high for what it is. I have a few D2 blades and like them just fine. I would think D2 could perform admirably with a proper heat treat but I haven't tested extreme toughness... I know you will and can't wait to see the results. Keep us posted.
I think that D2 is great for a lot of things and has its place. That place just certainly for me is not anywhere near the word survival. I appreciate your input bud!
cyclist01222 Hey Brother... how’s it going? Yes... please see my comments to Jacobs video... that I just posted... if you are interested. Yes... D2 for blades is all about heat treat. And we are working on an MSK-1 option that should be a bit more affordable in the future. Stay tuned. Talk soon... -David
I look forward to hearing more about the new option David!
Ultimate Survival Tips lol your so dumb everytime I see you talk about this knife I lose brain cells
I just got my msk elite warrior 4 days ago this knife is awesome!!! It was perfect in every way! I cloud not! Find 1 machine mark brr scratch
Any were even with a magnifying glass I was stunned! It is beautiful! It's the nicest man made object I have ever seen!!!
I was in shock! Well the center of gravity is perfect! Thecenter of pressure is perfect! The balance is perfect! The grip is fantastic! The choir is largely a greater grip then most knives have!!! It's 154 cm steel ! Razor sharp! The survival kit is No gimmick! The stuff will work and save your butt! The finish is unbelievable!
Sheath is a work of art! Double edge makes awesome arrowhead look! And is deadly ! The sedation/ saw is great! Very very strong!
The knife was indeed very well thought out! I paid 340 bucks I'd gladly pay 500 and no I'm no rich ! I have a few hundred knifes in my life time
This thing is really phenomenal! Jumping is great and plenty of it! I believe the micarta is canvas is a little course great grip !
The bow screw looks perfect the Chicago screw are great this guy left no stone un turned! Honest! And it is beautiful to look at and hold!
The ferro rod cut is fine no problems! Non look its not a axe ok but it can chop great! You need to go to position 2 move way back on the grip to get real good leverage
The blades mass is dead center! It batons great and man for very fine work it's great!
I dont know this guy and the pommel crusher is jimped too ! and can to nasty nasty stuff ! Look I didn't like the guy either lol ok!
I never dreamed it was so good. Bottom line the man did his research this idea a long time! And it shows!
I'm not a fan of attachments. But I'm gonna get the rerro rod baby blade and definitely orange handles! Black too!
My one bitch ? Is I wish it was inch longer only because my tracker is bigger! Look it is a great knife! It is my go to shtf tool now!!!
Thanks for the honesty, brother. I hope David takes your advice, checks it, and then makes the improvements if he agrees.
They have in fact made new, big changes!
Esee 5 all the way
Lolololol "Rock Smash!!!" 😂😂😂. Also, sick beard!
Haha thanks!
A good and honest rewiev. When disigner draws a picture of this knife as a "one-tool-options", and that you do not need an axe, it falls into its own unreasonability. Dave is in this youtube fam. he to, so he knows very well that he fools people with his allegations. And thats bad!
Saw Dave`s rewiev of this knife after Yours, and, according to him, there's hardly a better knife out there..
John Andersen there is hardly a worse knife out there dollar for dollar.
i think you just lost chest bump privileges at conventions with other reviewers lol. keep up the great work. i just subscribed
You aint kidding! Thanks!
The truth will set you free! Thank you for making this video!! This knife wasn’t worth a dame. You need an axe and a bow saw people to process enough wood to ever survive the winter months this knife is a gimmick an nothing more! I feel bad for all the people that wasted there $money on this decked out lawn more blade.
Thanks bud!
Not to be rude or anything but one thing I noticed was that on the comparison to this small hatchet...one thing he was doing was batoning through the larger trees and the smaller ones like brush branches he was chopping.
I don't think it's a realistic comparison but it's hard to compare an axe to a knife because they are completely different tools.
However you have a valid veiw point .
Bud, the goat is awesome!! Lol
Great honest video; thanks for your point of view.
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Well said bro.....thanks for posting
Good review. I like people that are honest about what they see. I agree about 2 things the steel D2 in general pain to sharpen I hate knifes that are hard to sharpen because you can never keep them sharp as you like. It just take way to much time. Second hollow grind on a thick knife is just bad news because when you split wood it is not helping at all. High saber or full flat grind will be ideal. About chopping it is simple physics that a short knife can't really chop because there is no mechanical advantage.
What's the best knife for bushcrafting that you would suggest?
"Best" is super subjective, especially when a price point isnt given. For production knives that i can afford, the best bang for the buck is a mora companion, because its $8. My favorite 2 bushcraft knives are the esee pr4 and the casstrom sfk. My favorite mini bushcraft knife is an esee cr2.5, and my favorite edc bushcraft knife is an esee jg3. So there are a lot of variables to consider.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors thank you
Extremely good review and honest as always. Ive never liked the knife myself and not its far from a one tool option.
A esee junglas yes sir.
Love your videoes and how you review stuff sir
knife sharpening norway thank you!
ThePreppersBunkerOutdoors well worth the praise mate
Whats your top #10 blade steels you will choose for a survival knife from favorite to least favorite and would your favorite survival knife steel also be your choice #1 choice for a bushcraft knife
Great question! Probably as follows0 #1- 80crv2 #2- 1084 #3- 5160 #4- 1080 #5- 52100 #6- 12c27 #7- O2 (bohler k720) #8- 52100 #9- 1095 #10- Cpm3v As for whether or not those would be my go to choices for a Bushcraft knife... probably. Bushcraft knives can be run harder with steels that hold an edge longer, but why? Ease of sharpening is the way to go.
Good video thanks for honest opinion
Thank you for the information
Thanks for the review. I really appreciate it. What do you think of the Habilis SRT?
Kari Kovacs i dont have a lot of experience with them tbh
Thank you, maybe if you'll have the opportunity we'll have a review of it later. I was asking because this two knives I was saving up for, and now I'm down to one. Thank you very much. Keep it up.
Kari Kovacs my pleasure!
Are there any stainless steel options for a surviva knife you would recommend?.
I have had excellent experience in hard use with 12c27, and am now testing aus8a
Which brands make them?.
Mora, a lot of European brands, Fox... hhhhmmmm
Thanks for the response I'll check into fox already have a ton of mora's.
I ENJOYED THIS REVIEW, LOL!!!
I'm glad bud! I'm sorry that it had to hurt so many peoples feelings lol
It doesn’t mean much but after that video you earned another sub. Finally someone to call out the joke that is the msk1. Over priced over hyped piece of garbage. All these other RUclips channel saying how great this overpriced paper weight is. Finally someone with enough balls to call out this bullshit. Thank you for that
Ill admit that just being a subscriber means nothing to me, half of my subs probably hate my guts and subscribe just so that they can troll me. But a sub that actually appreciates what I do and more importantly WHY I do it? That is gold, I am glad to have ya.
God bless you for NOT selling out..!!!!
So, I've been getting into bushcraft, but pretty soon I'll have the money to be able to buy decent tools. Which survival knife do you recommend? I'm very picky, because it is something I expect to use all the time if I need it. If you could help me step into this world in the proper fashion, that would be life changing sir! Hopefully you read this
What is your price range and climate?
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors price range isn't much of a worry, worst case I save up and buy when I have enough. I just want the most reliable for long haul. Climate is Wisconsin, so preferably a well adaptable tool for longevity. I noticed you seem to know a ton about axes as well, I have a family that I look after, so if you have recommendations in that field, I'm eager to learn and hear your input. I know this video is a little dated at this point, I saw that this company came out with the same knife with better steel. Is it something you'd recommend considering the changes they've made?
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors I appreciate and am surprised that you replied, especially so quickly. Please know how much I appreciate you trying to help us yuppies, especially in today's climate of what us citizens have to put up with. Hopefully 2024 will be more favorable for us as a nation
@@coltonbenirschke7944 no, for the quality vs price i dont think this blade in better steel is a good option.
So in wisconsin fire prep could be a huge, brutal deal- and freezing temps can be HARD on a blade.
A thick edge will be tough, but wont cut as well as a thinner blade, and will feel duller than it actually is much more quickly.
So, with that being said, here is my recommendation without knowing too much or asking a ton more questions-
#1- mora kansbol- this isnt your survival blade, but its a good blade to practice with at about $30. If in the process of practicing you ruin it... oh well. The experience you had gained in ruining the knife is WELL worth the price, and if you dont ruin it, its still a DANG good knife!
#2- a silky saw- up in wisconsin a good saw can save your life. If you havent practiced much with a pocket saw (only using pressure on the draw stroke) get an extra blade. These are REALLY good saws.
#3- the survival knife itself- This is the hardest one, your budget concept is a good one. I would probably save up and order a good 6-8" bladed, 3/16"- 1/4" custom knife in 1080, 1084, 80crv2, or 8670 from Bear Forest Knives, Papa Bear Knives, or Dry Creek Forge. I am guessing the expected price would be somewhere around $300, which is MUCH better a price and value than that might sounds.
Other steel options i would consider would be aebl, cpm3v, carpenter cd1, and ztuff. All these custom makers make a beef cake blade with PRACTICAL edge geometry with a great heat treat at a great price- these guys USE knives and sell TOOLS, not just pretty things with gimmicks. Most could offer you a model that they think best suited to your budget, taste, and use.
As for an axe i would recommend any axe from council tools premium line in the size that you need. They have everything from tiny belt hatchets to bigger swinging axes, and everything in their premium line is amazing.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors wow! This info is so greatly appreciated! Luckily for me, I used to build houses and worked a lot with wood in my time. Only 29, but the experience I do have I tried to play on. I just wanted a more experienced opinion on these tools. Silky saws are definitely on the list, and the knowledge you have on the types of steel is something I can only aspire to grasp. I have moderate knowledge on axes, but you're input is invaluable. Unfortunately, I've had a soft spot for the tacticool stuff, trying to fit a many tools into the least amount of baggage possible. Been learning fairly quickly that those tools are usually the ones that are least dependable, still training that urge out of my system and sticking with the tried and true tools. Thank you again so so much for your input again. You definitely didn't have to take your time to respond, let alone go in depth. I'm glad I found your channel!
Survival on Purpose is testing the knife too. Its funny that he is using at as regular knife, doing tasks i can do with my 20 $ Mora. On top of that he is trying to justify the 300 $ price tag. The most funny thing of all he openly admitted that he did't buy the knife he got it for free but he is strongly recommending the product. I wish more people were honest like you .
He is a pretty good guy, but yeah, in his review he purposefully references my video and slandering it and me a bit, but thats ok- because it shows that Dave from ust has my review so deep under his skin that he has to go to other channels begging.
Bushcraft & survival skills are very much centered on the individual. Experience & training play more into successful survival then the tool. Truth is based on individual confirmation of claims. Not everyone will survive. Thanks for your review of the tool.
Good job!!
Good info. D2 sux for field sharpening.
I'm fine with my knives. My favorite is my SXB, but even if it is a proven survival knife, I think it's foolish to believe in a one tool option. I don't get lost or survive out in the woods, but when my family and I go camping, we go on state land and pretty deep in the woods, for a real, relaxing, and nature enjoying experience. That said, most areas only have so much dead fall and even some of it sucks for firewood, there is a lot of wood processing required to have enough wood for a week, especially if one is winter camping. I'm not stupid enough to rely on just a knife or one tool, I'm willing to carry the extra weight in tools if needed if it means I can harvest the resources I need or makes the job that much easier. The whole survival thing, especially the knives, it's been marketed so heavily, it's sick, lol.
I know the limitations on my SXB, and thus I still carry as at least a hawk, but to say this knife could be a one tool option? foolish. The steel? Price? Size? I'm sorry but it's all ridiculous! I'd much rather get a Bark River, preferably something from dark Timber, and buy my "survival" stuff from Walmart and I would have a bigger, better materials and geometry, more capable, and more gear cheaper than what these knives with its survival kits are going for.
Question from a noob! What can this MSK do so much better then the ESEE laser strike for only $95 bucks?? Just curious. .
Nothing!
how can i get a gunslinger knife like yours ?
and can you make a video on it please
Dylan Franks i cant yet, but it will come. I hope to release the gunslinger by next blade at the latest.
thank you for the reply and I am looking forward to seeing the gunslinger in action i hope you have a good day and thanks for the grate videos/info your test help me out a lot
Dylan Franks my pleasure! I might be showing the gunslinger off in videos starting July, we will have to see how things go!
I knew it. Great review man, stumbled onto your channel watched this review and subscribed. Its gonna take me months to look at all your videos.
Haha well... welcome to the craziness!
My d2 caracal shaves.. just get diamond stones and take 5 minutes extra. The problem with this knife is probably the geometry.
I wouldn’t use d2 for a hollow grind though. Love it for my folder it stays sharp for a loooong time cutting boxes etc
I like the look and steel on this knife looks like it works great in the videos I’ve seen but is it true this costs $300 because if it is that’s over priced by literally $150 is this true. Guess I could look it up but I’m lazy hopefully your not and will get back to me thanx.
Barry Bueler the steel is fine for what most people will do in the back yard. That is not what this knife is marketed as. But with a different steel and grind, and price, it could certainly be an acceptable blade.
Just went canoing with this knife worked out great for my usage since i didnt want to carry a lot.
Cool
Merci beaucoup pour ton honnête revue test!! Bravo!!
Just wondering if you've done a review of the Tops Tom brown tracker, I like the concept and idea of the Tracker being a heavy knife that's capable of a variety of uses , because over the years in the UK , Europe and Philippines I've used a variety of knives made from different materials but all of the same sort of shape and design , some capable and some about as much use as a chocolate fire guard , the only two I wish I still had was my Cold steel SRK and my Bolo made by a local Blacksmith in the Philippines from an old leaf spring.
I had at one point, but it was deleted at some point.
I dont think the design is well executed by Tops, and i dont like the tracker design anyways because i dont like a primary edge that is broken.
Great review! thanks for the info.
Thanks for your advice on D2, was unaware of the specific weakness.
Regards
I've been waiting for more reviews over his own. It's been almost a year but should be getting mine in another week or two. Can't wait.
Wasnt this done already with the WSK and Tom Brown Tracker?? Have we not learned ???
Bingo
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors and T R : u guys think the tom brown tracker is a gimmick knife?
best metal for blades/sharpening? I`m a newbie and live in England
dfcvda "best" is incredibly subjective. But any carbon or simple stainless should be fine. I have a "choosing a survival knife for beginners" that you might want to check out.
Thanks for the honest review it is a nice knife with some great ideas really high price range but if you can afford it why not I have a pretty extensive knife collection and my most expensive knife is around $111. Great knife though. Me personally a knife could never replace a great Hatchet