J.P. Moreland - Eternal Life is Like What?
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- How to imagine the experience of eternal life? Would we sense ourselves? How would we feel? Whom would we know? What would we do? What would God do? Living forever seems so absurd, yet eternal life is the promise of almost every religion. But if we cannot even imagine what eternal life will be, how can we have hope in its reality?
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James Porter Moreland is an American philosopher, theologian, and Christian apologist. He currently serves as a Distinguished Professor of Philosophy at Talbot School of Theology at Biola University in La Mirada, California.
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Strange, incoherent beliefs that go against everything we know about life, bodies, and reality.
It's a belief LITERALLY from the dark ages. They shouldn't have given this delusion any airtime.
You said it perfectly
It may be strange to some, but certainly not incoherent. Just because someone thinks an idea is strange does not make the idea wrong.
There are excellent reasons to accept that heaven is real and that we are embodied souls. An example is the near death experience account documented by physicians and others. Another is that consciousness cannot be reduced to matter.
Yes why would it be any other way?
With every question from RLK, Moreland is making it up on the run.
False. That would require intelligence.
@@duytdl There is only one intelligence...
@@waldwassermann If you're referring to multi-dimentional intelligence theory know that it's not widely accepted yet, but still by default the term would still refer to whatever kind of basic intelligence is needed to deduce (from simple facts like multiple contradictory religions exist, all containing various contradictions within themselves, not to mention basic observational skills required to notice the severe lack of any evidence whatsoever in favor of any of them) that all religions are a lie. Therefore, whatever philosophical ideas, theories, or prophesies about it must come, not from an intelligent but rather a diseased/disordered mind.
You are right--what an insult to RLK and his audience!
I'll just quote Wolgang Pauli here. "That's not even wrong."
one of those interviews you have to watch on acid.
Just by saying this is religion we bypass the very fact that this would otherwise be considered mental illness
brilliant
Why is it mental illness to speculate on the future?
@@markb3786 he’s borrowing from Hitchens, even if he doesn’t know it. What you dismiss so readily I’ll bet you haven’t even started to engage with. This is also ignorant.
What about the absurdism of believing that you have arguments with others that may not even have the capacity to understand the semantics of your arguments bc evolution doesn’t select for this?
Or what about determinism and why you’re determined to type out your messages when they will have no impact ? I mean even if you think it’s absurd to parse the details of the possibility of the presence of a soul…If there is no soul, there there is no free will and so you are just a pile of carbon atoms dispersing entropy in a unique and absurd method … on the internet
If you actually believe religious/spiritual beliefs are or equal to mental illnesses, this is for you m.ruclips.net/video/6lxSSzD_9HU/видео.html
Sadly, no human being can answer this question. No matter who is asked - leading theoretical physicist, philosopher or theologian - they are only giving their opinions. There are few to no facts supporting their opinions. We have to live with this which is very hard since we want to know so much that we will never know.
Sensible take. The conversation is almost idle actually.
We won't know until we get to the other side.
Max Planck solved this riddle almost a hundred years ago when he said, *"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness."*
Ludus Amoris...
The crazy train has left the station.
Does this apply to dogs as well? (asking for a pet)
Do dogs have consciousness? I don't believe so because every bit of dog behavior could be simulated on a conventional computer. In other words, dogs never think of something new. They basically just respond to stimuli and repeat the same things over and over. Not so with human consciousness.
@bobblacka918 You're inverting consciousness with intelligence. Dogs are conscious. They know they exist, they know when they're hungry, have to go to the bathroom, when they sleep, they sometimes dream. Even plants have been shown to communicate when they are under threat.
@@bobblacka918 Have you ever actually been around a dog?
As soon as he prefaces his statements with “I think…” he loses all credibility as then his statements are only opinions, not facts.
A Distinguished Professor of Philosophy...?🤣🤣🤣 Oh. My. Gawd!
😂😂😂😂 unbelievable
One other issue always missed. At what age would I be there. Child for my dad when he left or father of my children...we are just a collection of memories.
"Declarative Reality" is the specialty of executives and theologians.
You know, TECHNICALLY, if the "afterlife" is truly eternal, then it SHOULD be eternal both into the past, and into the future... Cuz things just don't "start" being eternal... They just always are. That's the nature of eternity... So effectively, if you're not in the "eternal afterlife" NOW, then it doesn't exist...
Prove me wrong. 😛
If it sounds too good to be true, then it is too good to be true.
Prove it.
So basically heaven is like playing Minecraft. We can make anything we want.
(1:02) *JM: **_"Life as a disembodied soul will be relatively difficult for us to conceptualize because we are embodied."_* ... I disagree with Mr. Moreland. We are gifted with brains that can handle all possible levels of conceivability. That's the #1 purpose of a human brain. To "conceptualize" what type of life might emerge after physical death can be achieved by simply studying the past.
In my ToE, I propose a mathematical origin prior to Big Bang. All of this mathematical data evolved into physical representations of the same via Big Bang. Quarks can be seen as numbers, hadrons as rudimentary equations, and complex physical structures representative of highly complex mathematical formulas.
Keep pushing forward for around 10 billion years and you repeat the same pattern via "life." Physical representations of numbers are represented as simple prokaryotes that evolve into more complex lifeforms that represent more complex mathematics - with humans representing the most complex mathematical formulas that have ever emerged.
So, if you simply _"follow the pattern,"_ then the next representation of our Existence would not require any physical dimensions, complex structures, or organic materials. It would most likely be represented as an information-based existence that is a cumulation of all previous forms of information.
Point being, .... _death is not the end of our journey!_
Your final sentence reminds me of a quote by Gandalf in LoTR, RotK. AKA Sounds great, but is pure fantasy lol
@@SamoaVsEverybody814 *"Your final sentence reminds me of a quote by Gandalf in LoTR, RotK. AKA Sounds great, but is pure fantasy lol"*
... Although fantasies don't follow a logic-based evolutionary pattern moving from simplicity to complexity, do they?
I'm sure if any inanimate cosmic structure during the first 10 billion years was wondering what the nest stage of existence would be ... any structure proposing that it would become "living structure" based on previous patterns would suffer the same _"Sounds great but is pure fantasy lol"_ claim.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC Yes but obviously our next stage of complexity will not include our current consciousness, so whatever it may be it'll be quite synonymous with physical death eternally... unless ofc you can prove conscious survival post-total cellular decay
@@SamoaVsEverybody814 *"es but obviously our next stage of complexity will not include our current consciousness, so whatever it may be it'll be quite synonymous with physical death eternally."*
... If you apply that same argument to everything happening prior to humans, then inanimate physical structure wouldn't have included any of its mathematical predecessor, and living structure wouldn't have included any of its preceding inanimate structure nor any of its previous mathematical structure ... yet humans obviously include both in our make-up.
Existence is a *logical progression* from simplicity to complexity. Everything builds on whatever proceeds it. That being the case, then everything we are moves forward into the next level, and nothing gets left behind.
*"unless ofc you can prove conscious survival post-total cellular decay"*
... Mathematics combined with the standard model predicted the Higgs boson. All physicists needed to do was "follow the existing pattern." Why do you think the same can't happen for predicting the next stage of our existence if we "follow the existing pattern?
... Isn't that exactly what I'm doing right now?
God is so content and wise because he is a Buddhist.
1:55 “ Different kind of body”
Thank God for that, even at its very best my body gave me grief. Now in its seventh decade of use it’s damn near useless.
Eternal life is ether nonexistent or nothing we could possibly understand.
Yours, among the merely philosophical comments, is the most sensible: people talk as if they can say what they do not understand. The truth is Moreland expresses a pov entirely at variance with the one that most exercises Robert Lawrence Kuhn. We have a conversation here between Athens and Jerusalem with the characters reversed. Lol
*"Eternal life is ether nonexistent or nothing we could possibly understand."*
... All I've ever known and experienced is life and existence. What makes something that represents everything that we know somehow "unknowable?'
We are it. However.... Genesis 2:18.
@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC You may have a concept of life and existence, but you have no concept of eternity. While we know it's "forever," it's beyond actual comprehension.
@@mrbamfo5000 *"You may have a concept of life and existence, but you have no concept of eternity. While we know it's "forever," it's beyond actual comprehension."*
... I have an entire book dedicated to "Existence" that includes postmortem existence but thank you for telling me about "conceivable things" that I cannot conceive.
Here's a news flash: If it isn't conceivable, then it doesn't exist (1st Law of Existence). And if you doubt me, then simply name something that exists that's not conceivable and you'll be golden. Will you do that for me, please?
*"While we know it's "forever," it's beyond actual comprehension."*
... I have no difficulty whatsoever comprehending "forever." After all, since my birth that's all I've been experiencing. Same goes for you.
And once youve dreamed every kind of dream, experienced everything at your disposal..Then you will wake up as you are now
I agree with his tie, palma non sine pulvere; the prize is not without dust
Reminds me of the Talking Heads song, "Heaven", "Heaven is a place...where nothing ever happens"'
I don't buy a second of it. Nobody can even prove the existence of a God, let alone all the details of how he exists. And "eternity" is an awful long time. I'm 60, and sometimes I can't imagine another 20+ years, let alone eternity. I can't imagine wanting to exist "forever."
Yeah, I had to walk away after halfway through. He said the reason the universe is so big is because it’s some thing a humans want . Needing certainty is a pitfall
Carl Sagan said God and Eternal life is a "reassuring fable"
I guess that's it then.
Carl was as fatuous as JP.
And Carl Sagan also used to say that the proof of no God is that our solar system is not at the center of the Milky Way, which is apparently where Sagan believed it should be, if there was a God. Too bad Sagan never considered a Black Hole to be in the very same place where he considered our earth should have been. If he was so wrong about that, he can also be wrong about other things.
Have you heard about the illusion of separation? If separation is an illusion then how can there be death?
It is pretty reassuring that everyone who on earth gets away with hurting people will get what they deserve when they get to "judgment day.", or that no matter what unethical or illegal thing you've done can be wiped away by repenting before you die, so that everything will be bliss and perfect for eternity after you die. Comforting but pretty silly if you really think about it.
What would a human lifetime really mean in the scale of eternity? Should you really have all of how you will spend your eternity, be based on what you did over maybe 80-90 years? There's countless reasons not to believe in Christianity and only one to believe. Because "the Bible tells me so."
So in heaven we won't be worshiping God all the time? And what will eternal life be like for those who go to the other place?
If a child came out with this you would try not to laugh in their face.
I know. Who would not be tempted to laugh? But what if the final laugh was on us? It might be you know.
People always laugh at new scientific discoveries. They laughed at the Big Bang theory. They laughed at Black Holes. They laughed at Superposition. They laughed at Quantum Entanglement, and they laughed at Quantum Tunneling. He who laughs last, laughs best.
@@bobblacka918 The guy's out of his mind. And I'm not laughing.
This guy obviously doesn’t know the spaghetti monster rules the universe and our eternal souls.
May the spaghetti monster have mercy on his soul.
The sociopolitical/environmental fallout of such bizarre delusions continues to threaten ‚creations‘ existence on this planet. That’s beyond tragic.
Nothingness before birth same as after death
That's it.
That’s how I think of it.
*"Nothingness before birth same as after death"*
... Describe this nothingness that you know about and have experienced without including any references to existence or first-person observation. Will you do that for me, please?
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC You can’t even agree you didn’t exist before you were born? Wow, being religious really is a mental illness
So everythingness = one cosmic consciousness
J.P. Morgan: In summary, I DON’T KNOW.
RLK: I figured as much.
A Proper Summary
RL Kuhn: The Judeo-Christian view of the afterlife is not widely known.
JP Moreland: The afterlife is rich and interesting.
Eternal life would be a nightmare. Our brains have a limited capacity to learn and remember. If you're 70 years old you'd be hard pressed to remember more than 5 percent of your life. We forget most of our days. Sad but there it is.
LOL- What utter nonsense.
@stoneysdead689 While the % is probably off, most humans don't remember large portions of their life. Many of the memories they do have are tainted with time. They tend to change slightly every time they are remembered.
@@stoneysdead689 I would challenge you or anyone to show me more memories. You don't even know what you were doing two weeks ago.
@@rickwyant LOL- I'm going to let ppl think about what you just said- how ridiculous it is- and let it go at that. You're regurgitating what you've heard other's say- and the percentage is much smaller- they claim it's less than 1%.
But- that's all relative to how you define "remember" - what level of recollection you're looking for, and whether or not you feel you can trust what ppl are telling you. No one claims to know with any real certainty- something you might want to look into yourself sometime- humility. We can't even explain what memory is or how it works so- maybe don't be so quick to make absolute assertions. Or not- whatever...
@@stoneysdead689sounds smart 😂.
If deeply pondered we come to a mesmerizing conclusion that the Eternal life is actually happens to be the ETERNAL FREEDOM.
Quran tells us that DEATH is not an end to life but described it as a transition after this temporary short life, essentially a test of our loyalty to the Creator and our righteous lifestyle, comes to an end.
Quran tells us that the earth was once a lifeless planet but then Allah evolved and enabled it to support the life. Same way this entire universe is not created without a purpose but it is being evolved and enabled to support the eternal life. The Universe will finally turn into an eternal life supporting super galactical world merely by changing the physical laws.
The eternal life is the eternal freedom because it is free from all the regrets, worries, sufferings, discriminations, exploitations, injustices and handicaps. We stay young without any illness and death. We have immensely upgraded faculties and knowledge with ULTIMATE FREEDOM to plan our universal life and set our goals in a perfect world.
It make great sense that we a need universal life and freedom to enjoy, explore and create our own worlds in a perfect world which is as big as this universe.
In Dharmic religions such as Buddhism there is no such idea as eternal life - all life which has a beginning will come to an end, no matter how long it would last.
And that is fundamentally why Buddha never rose from the dead to prove it was possible. So we can write him off to the dustbin of history. A true prophet has to be right 100% of the time.
@@bobblacka918 the goal of Buddhism, Nirvana where the Buddha and all enlightened sages realized is "unconditioned", no rising (birth) and no death (perishing), transcending all the conditioned formations existing in spatiotemporal realms including mind, consciousness and physical. It's not easy to understand this "unmanifest element" where even the consciousness is no longer established.
If we look at it from a scientifically point of view, If we strip the human body from organs to tissue, all the way down to cells and molecules the foundation of it all is pure energy. So as it is written in certain contexts we are beings of light. All matter in its purest and barest form is pure energy and energy has no beginning and is indestructible. Energy is in constant transformation.
I believe we are eternal beings however in regards to transcending this mortal life and remaining with consciousness, I suppose that's the real question.
John. Yes. You understand. You are a rare breed my man. But you understand.
I don't believe in religion. But it seems to me everything alive is conscious. My dogs know
they're alive, hungry, cold, or whatever. Plants even have been shown to communicate. I think consciousness is universal to life. Intellect is also there, but on different levels. I can't say that all life isn't connected in some way through consciousness, but I don't believe it has anything to do with any human religion, whether there is an actual god type entity that kicked everything off to begin with or not.
This guy is nuts
Idea of eternal life and life after death has driven all religions. But no one knows what it is actually like because you are not allowed to ask the question
Well ... that question is asked and is the whole point of the interview.
@@ricksturdivant6380 my point was regarding people generally don't ask such a question... Don't enquire
@@Rohit-oz1or Yes. Many people don't ask that question.
So why would sex and/or procreation be out? With the entire Universe at our disposal, there would not be a time where more people are problematic.
Whatever you imagine it to be.
I hope my new body is accompanied by the latest design of surfboard and the very best of uncrowded warm water surf.
Fear of dying---that's all this is. We've come up with this theory of eternal life to help ourselves deal with that fear. Good video wasted on nonsense.
Wow! These people have more imagination than J. V.
I try endlessly to reach a conclusion as to what my attitude to life should be and it's so difficult because all the people are worshiping it, even the nihilist can't shut up with his dumb 'YOLO' philosophy, but all of their Gods, prophets and secular wise men have their back turned to life and show contempt for it, especially the Buddha.
J.P. Moreland is insane.
He must have excelled in creative writing class.
A disembodied consciousness would be a nightmare. No sensory input, no ability to communicate. You'd be a lonely thought, absolutely horrifying
With the Judea Christian god forever in paradise
As a kid, the thought of eternal boredom in heaven sounded worse than hell.
Do not worry JP thinks there will be playstations there
😂😂😂
There won't be sex in heaven, but remember one thing, heaven will be created by the same guy who invented sex and he's had thousands of years to improve on it.
This is the most ridiculous deceiving episode that I ever watched there's going to be food but there is not going to be sex😂😂
Why is it deceiving? Sex is enjoyable but mainly for reproduction. Imagine a physical sensation better than sex.
Omh lol😂
The primary coal that fuels Abrahamic religions has always been sexual repression and FEAR of sexuality. Its power freaks our slightly advanced monkey brains out.
And remember, a donut or a firearm will never turn you down!
At some point in the interview the interviewer is smiling. Me too.
The accusation of being deceiving is over the top. Just because you may disagree does not mean Dr. Moreland is deceptive.
It looks like linear execution of primitive discrete machine
Please pray for me. Prayers are all we truly need. Jesus I still trust in you and will keep my faith even though it is so very difficult. I’m constantly faced with financial hardships and can barely support my children. I’m a single mom With two autistic children. My husband is with God. I’m overwhelmed. My boys require a lot from me. I recently started homeschooling them due to bullying and other issues. Since they are special needs it’s easier not to expose them to certain situations because their behavior is so unpredictable. I lost my job at Forsyth hospital for declining the vaccine. I declined because of my health conditions lupus, and heart disease. Since losing my job I’ve been struggling to support my children and myself. I’m now waitressing and I’m grateful but I’m not making nearly enough. JESUS HELP me. I’m CRYING OUT TO YOU. I’m tired of struggling. Having children with autism is extremely time consuming and expensive. Struggling to buy groceries. Struggling to pay rent. It hasn’t been easy. Why me Lord? But I know God doesn’t give you more than you can handle. I know all things are possible through Jesus. I WILL KEEP FAITH. No matter how hard life gets.
@TheKravika 😂😂😂 why tho
❤️
So, when things are tough it's not gods fault but when they are good it's all him? Religion is such a fucking poison.
I'm sorry for your issues, but trying to pray them away isn't going to find you many answers. Your "faith" has already caused you your job and put you at serious risk since it sounds like your immune system is already in trouble. The vaccine was intended to protect people in your situation.
I find these claims very offensive for the intellectual listener
I dont feel like im right????😂😂😂 Right😅
I just can't believe that. Jesus and paradise and all.
And it is horrifying me.
If anybody can pray for me, it'll be nice 🙏.
Thank you.
I was in a coma and in the multi-verse and you don’t die you wake right back up. In a slightly better life or whatever. And it never ends. I was in heaven and hell. In dying, you are born unto eternal life.
No you weren't.
I was in a coma after an ATC accident and I don't remember anything for 2 months before and after. I didn't go to any "multiverse".
I understand people want to know exactly what is going to happen to them after they die. Fear of the unknown is disorienting, so they feel they need to make things up in order to reassure themselves. That's fine, but is it "closer to truth" or just another "story" that makes us feel good about the uncertainty of our limited bodies? I'm not saying there isn't an afterlife of some kind, but creating such a sepcific vision of one based on something wrote in a book, is, well, I guess it's just religion and I don't consider religion a great force of "Truth." It is a very specific narative and perspective that ties a large group of people together in a cohesive collective to believe in the same thing, perform the same rituals, and thus feel like a tight community. This was necessary as societies grew from small hunter-gatherer tribes to much larger groupings. And as we've seen religion is a double-edged sword if there ever was one. But I think these very specific ideas of reality based on nothing but religious scripture do very little to reveal actual "Truth."
That. Was. Um. Hilarious. 😂
Fundamentally this guy is no different than Kat Kerr. Just male, better dressed, and his ideas are less overtly crazy. Kerr’s vision actually sounds like more fun as it has Christmas Town where it snows all the time, mountains of spices, space buses, and flying lessons conducted by Christopher Reeve. Moreland needs to come up with some better stuff if he is going to compete.
Hm
Oops... Sorry, wrong room!
Yahweh commuicates with Yahweh as in Abraham meeting the 3 Angels....but the answer really is EYE HAS NOT SEEN EAR HAS NOT HEARD THE MIND CAN'T CONCEIVE
Everyone who thinks that they are more intelligent than JP, comment below the starting assumptions of your own worldview.
I rarely encounter someone who knows why they disagree with someone. If you’re unaware of why your dogma is better than his then you’re no less ignorant.
Also, these are all informed by scripture. He’s not “making it up”, he’s reifying what he’s read after looking at other’s interpretation of scripture that he disagrees with. For instance, most people can’t tell the difference between scripture and Dante’s Inferno.
Total nonsense, but the more I learn about the theories of reality like from Donald Hoffman the more I think all religion is a feeble attempt to explain reality outside the headset. Probably because there is an unconscious connection to what is behind this reality. Psychedelics and dreams may also pull on that thread.
Skeptic: What's your evidence for all those claims?
Christian: The Bible says so.
Skeptic: It'd be more honest to remain agnostic on those questions.
As per Bhagbat Gita we are eternal souls but due to our karma we are bound in material body and material energy are inferior so we experience sorrow , miseary, death that's why Lord Krishna says ourselves do not attach in this material world and try to break the shackle.
🐨The "foolish imagination of man".....🤔🐨
I’m amazed how humans can think that they are so superior that they will have this eternal fantastic heavenly existence when Homo sapiens have only been around for 200 thousand or so years and all other beings ( other animals, insects, birds etc etc ) of nature don’t have the same privileges . This guy made no sense at all.
Eternal means no beginning too
Well if you strip the human body past, the organs tissue down to the cell all the way to the photons then you get pure energy. Energy is the source of the universe it has no beginning and it is indestructible. Energy is in constant transformation.
Certainty has never made a god real.
In what sense is Jesus God's son? Is it genetic? Or is it a step father deal?
@Itswild38 I'm genetically related to my father. That's what makes him my father. Was Jesus genetically related to God ?
@Itswild38 In what reality can you conceive of being your father and being his son simultaneously? lol
@Itswild38 Arianism is what says Jesus is God's son. In protestant religions they're synonymous
@@eurethnic No need for genetics. It was all just a spiritual arrangement. Ha.
So God has genes? lol.
To answer your silly question, you have to first believe the God of the Jews & Christians, Bible, Israel & Jerusalem ... is real.
If however, you stupidly believe in a moon god called Lah .. & ..his pedophile racist pagan prophet ... you will never understand ... that nature & being of the God of the Jews & Christians, perfect Torah & Gospels, Israel and the holiest city, Jerusalem.
The Function, Intelligence & Mind Categories and the origin of Isolated Thermodynamic Systems ... proves ... the Universe is a Natural System made & expanding in ... an Unnatural, infinite & timeless System by a very very powerful UNNATURAL intelligence.
Again. Why are you saying God must have genes ... if His Son ... has a body & soul? God made the Universe ... and ... the body of His Son. Sheez.
Now they can remove Sabine Hossenfelder off the top list.
To see with the eye of faith, close the eye of logic. ( This kind of describes the new and upcoming general artificial intelligence. )
amazing the difference between listening to smart people speculating about ultimate reality after decades spent studying the universe and listening to smart people speculating about ultimate reality after decades spent studying one particular volume of ancient myths and the endless commentary written about it.
As a christian, I'm extremely ashamed
He thinks. That's nice.
even god will be like what the hell he is talking about 😆😆😆
Umm…yea….sure
Robert wants to live forever so bad. It's almost sad.
Most people prefer to be alive.
@@jamese9283 I understand wanting to be alive but death is natural and nothing to fear.
@@rickwyant Death is a big unknown, no matter your beliefs, and most people are afraid or uncomfortable with the unknown.
@@jamese9283 there was a time before we were born that we did not exist. We were basically dead. We'll just return to that state.
Humbug
Why is food needed?
"Errrrr hummmm well I don't know why". OK then
I don't know about this guy
Bunch of bs 😂
He also believes in the Easter bunny.
Thessalonians 5:23 says the human soul is not only real but distinct from the body and the spirit. Ezekiel 18:4; James 5:20; Revelation 20:4; Psalm 89:48; Job 36:14; Leviticus 19:8; 21:1, 11 all say the soul can die. I don't know of any reference in the bible which says after our bodies die we are in a state of consciousness. I can find the opposite. Ecclesiastes 9:5, "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; nevermore will they have a share in anything that happens under the sun”. The Bible teaches that eternal life is a gift Christ offers. Without this gift, we simply do not continue to live in any way after we die (Romans 6:23; John 3:36; 5:24; 1 John 5:11, 12). I don't know how we can have faith in the bible when so much of it is so inconsistent, hypocritical and contradictory.
Paul said.... To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord ✅
Mummification would be a hoot
I can't believe Kuhn kept a straight face through this.
Kuhn is what one calls open-minded. Most honest intellectuals are. We don't mock others. We learn from them and with them.
@@fartpooboxohyeah8611 We? Really?
Happy Sunday! And hail Satan! 😂
🤘
Tat Tvam Asi.
This guy is kinda all over the place with his concepts of eternal life. First he surmise that to be a disembodied spirit, you would have a kinda of dull sensation of things, and then he surmises that because Jesus was able to walk through walls or do mind over matter as he puts it stuff. just because our lord was able to do that doesn’t mean we will, after all he’s not just any spirit, he’s God’s son. His only begotten son at that. That in my mind would make him above any other spirit. The Bible just says we will have incorruptible bodies, not magical abilities, it only means our bodies will not degrade or age at all. We will maintain youth eternally. This guy has a big imagination and smorgasbord cafeteria type faith. Pick and take what appeals to him, but with no supporting scripture of it. 😳
lock him up
Fantastic video. Interesting because JP Moreland was successfully able to merge both science and religion into one cohesive discourse. He accurately portrayed how Jesus was able to manipulate the foundations of Quantum Mechanics: Superposition (Jesus was seen in two places at the same time), Quantum Tunneling (Jesus was seen to pass through solid objects), manipulation of physical objects (turning water into wine, raising people from the dead, etc), and declaring the reality of a Quantum Identity of every particle in the universe that cannot be altered or destroyed, also called the soul. Interesting that these natural phenomenon were doubted for 2,000 years, and then, scientific discoveries in the 1920's were finally able to confirm their validity. Someday we will be able to do all those things just by thinking about it.
Imagine having done everything for the 1,450,467th time, that is what eternity is. Such nonsense, will we all have six packs, and be married to runway models.
He said no sex allowed in heaven.
All those claims just ridiculous where's your evidence for it
JPM is almost there, let me answer this question a bit more succinctly.
I am 90 years old and more and more, each day, heaven becomes an important object of contemplation. I've decided that since I have never seen a description of Heaven that is both imaginable and plausible and accounts for that other possibility we call Hell, I stopped guessing what Heaven and Hell are like and began to imagine what I would like them to be. It is easier to describe my Heaven than my Hell because fortunately this lifetime was closer to a Heaven than to a Hell. So, here's what my Heaven would be like:
My mother and father will be in the same age-relationship with me as they were this time around. They won't be teenagers and they won't be ageless; they will be my mother and father. So too will my brothers and sisters, my children, their children, and all the people I have known in this life- time will be there just as they are or were in this lifetime. Yes, there will be the same animals, flowers, oceans, stars, rocks and all the things I've experienced in this lifetime.
I will fall in love again with the same beautiful woman and live an entire married life immersed in romance, good humor, and friendship. My Heavenly life will be filled with the same or more of the laughter, wonder, love, joy, fun, peace, nostalgia, and piety that has filled this life. I will hit a baseball again; I will hear La boheme for the first time again; I will sing babies to sleep in the middle of a quiet night again. I will eat peanuts, smell roses, hear a whippoorwill, see the ocean for the first time; see Broadway musicals, watch my children graduate, marry the same persons, and have the same children again. That is my vision of what Heaven could, should, and will be like.
On the Hell side, just as there is in this lifetime, there will be diseases, earthquakes, plagues, floods, and all sorts of natural evil. There will be war, bigotry, injustice, tyranny, and poverty and all sorts of social evil. There will be sin, crime, addiction, affliction and all sorts of personnel evil. However, in our next life each of these evils will be palpably diminished.
Since I have had a minimum of disappointments in this life, I can't describe a vision of a personal Hell, but it would consist of far too many regrets and sins, none of which I care to share. But if I have confessed those sins, transgressions, and regrets, then they won't happen in the milieu that is my next lifetime because I will enter it with a more effective conscience, more moral certitude, and more open to God's grace.
My Heaven and Hell would look a lot like my present life except there would be fewer regrets and sins committed. In other words, it would be imperceptibly better. Like the movie "Ground Hog Day", in which Bill Murray repeatedly wakes up on the same day, but each subsequent day, he alters his behavior for the better, and experiences more and more joy. For us, each new life would be closer to Heaven and farther from Hell. It is what I want Heaven to be like. On the other hand, it describes how those that have been derived of a full lifetime of wonder, peace, and joy, those now suffering in a life that seems like Hell to eventually escape, so that all souls are saved and will experience the joy that is Heaven.
In the meantime, we are making our way through our personnel purgatories in which we too often make the wrong choices. Eventually we will all escape our personal Hell and arrive at that perfect world we call Heaven. And how would this sort of Heaven/Hell come about. Well, there does happen to be a scientific solution for my hope. It is called the Many World Interpretation of the Schroedinger wave equation that is often referred to as parallel worlds. The first thing that comes to mind for some that hear of the parallel world idea is reincarnation. Living a parallel life as yourself is not reincarnation; if the Many World Interpretation is real, we are now living in a parallel lifetime and the only thing that that we bring from our previous life is our innate conscience.
Since our bodies are resurrected at the end of time to exist eternally as a complete physical and spiritual person, and since in this present state the body and soul are imperfect, and since it is through grace and the application of our free will that we are justified, it seems plausible to me that there be interim states in which the process of justification is brought to fruition. Hence parallel worlds.
I honestly don’t believe anything he just said. I guess we shall see or not see.
All I can say is: Thank God I'm an Atheist.
Yes you'll be able to create anything! BaSED on memories! U dnt have physical form! Persay but if that's what u want, then u will create based on your memories the best physical environment! And bc were telepathic* our thoughts intervene others who are also creating a physical experience based on their memories then they come together create a space ..
that's oddly too familiar to what I'm being to believe we're doing like NOW... so okay bye
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👍thanks be to God. 1:03 but life is a disembodied soul will be relatively difficult for us to conceptualize because we're embodied and so I think there's very little in the New Testament and the Old Testament about that state (Bob: about this intermediate your period now) yeah (that's a controversial period people think that you're unconscious some Chrisitan believe that you're unconscious during this period sounds like your state is like the normal consciousness but maybe uh taking a kind of half ) a sleeping pill or something you lose a little bit of your perception during this period but you are there. um I think that's we can discuss that [sure] but I'm more interested in the final what is eternity like when you have your new body in the resurrection as you see it this new body is not a material body materials corruptable and disintegrate and this is forever right [yes] so it's a different kind of body [yeah] so we have the diembodied spirit being united with a new body [yes] and what kind of body is that is a spiritual body) 2:06 oh it's a regular physical body by saying it's a spiritual body it means it won't cease it doesn't decay it doesn't mean it's not material so it's about ( a new kind of material?) no uh I don't know the answer to the kind of material it is I do know that it's not limited like our physical body is now and I also think that in the eternal in the eternal life when we're embodied we will have powers over matter (what's matter? Is still there matter limited at the end of the world when you resurrected?) 2:32 Jesus for example I think was an archetype he was able to command a tree and it withered he was able to produce loaves and fish from a small number I think we're going to be able to engage in all kinds of artistic reativity so we'll be able to say for example to a hillside I want you to turn purple and look like this (as long as I'm not wanting to turn green) please say there you have it that's right you have it so I think we're going to engage all kinds of learning all kinds of play all kinds artistic creativity it won't be boring it'll be exciting and invigorating will always be finite so there'll always be new things to learn and here's the important thing we'll be able to do that with those we love and with God and it'll be a co-exploration there will be deep rich community times of it deep interaction where there's not going to be hiddenness I don't know if you've ever experienced talking to someody who's very defensive and hidden I've been that way myself and still am at times compared to talking to somebody where 3:32 5:56 so everything you got except sex oh and a lot that you can't imaging. 7:02 you'll have your full set of memories from your life (yes) including all the bad things that you've done (yes) but they will not thwart my life uh anymore than getting rid of training wheels seems to be a bad thing for a kid who grows up now having these painful memories is sufficient trump my flourishing but flourishing will be so robust that I will be able to sustain grief and bad memories without it bothering me think of God's life for a minute. 7:39 God has a very interesting life he leads an interesting life he loves his life he's got he's filled with a lot of beauty and happiness but he's able to have that with full awareness of sadness and grief because his soul is so big (Exodus 26:30) that his awareness of grief is not sufficient to override the strength of his joy and happiness I think the same thing is going to be true. 8:03 so we will be like God (in that sense) but we will not we will be sufficiently different from God, e.g. God will marry His Church -- all Chrisitians, the male and the female, we won't have sex, right? What is Christian theology? Any theology that makes nonsenses will be casted into garbage as burning material to hold eternal order. 10:23 I think what's interesting at the very least that the Judeo-christan religions would postulate a very rich eternal life which is not at all the common perception JP. Moreland: right no it's extraordinarily rich and interesing
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@@your_average_joe5781 I mean not to generate bad theology to mislead people. do you think God will create new material for human's body? Nonsense! Resurrected body is same as Jesus' body before his death, e.g. Mk 9.2, Mt 17.2. Regarding with resurrected marriage, many theologists don't understand it. At last, we the real believers are already resurrected body, branches of Lord Jesus Christ body, right? 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?” John 11, NIV. 7:12 Pauli even said confidently, "I don't believe God is left-handed." 宇宙不守恆對應著主耶穌基督的禱告：願你的國降臨，願你的旨意行在地上如同行在天上。基督教神學要充分考慮宇宙不守恆定律！哈利路亞！ ！
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