@@waldwassermann If you're referring to multi-dimentional intelligence theory know that it's not widely accepted yet, but still by default the term would still refer to whatever kind of basic intelligence is needed to deduce (from simple facts like multiple contradictory religions exist, all containing various contradictions within themselves, not to mention basic observational skills required to notice the severe lack of any evidence whatsoever in favor of any of them) that all religions are a lie. Therefore, whatever philosophical ideas, theories, or prophesies about it must come, not from an intelligent but rather a diseased/disordered mind.
It may be strange to some, but certainly not incoherent. Just because someone thinks an idea is strange does not make the idea wrong. There are excellent reasons to accept that heaven is real and that we are embodied souls. An example is the near death experience account documented by physicians and others. Another is that consciousness cannot be reduced to matter.
@@markb3786 he’s borrowing from Hitchens, even if he doesn’t know it. What you dismiss so readily I’ll bet you haven’t even started to engage with. This is also ignorant. What about the absurdism of believing that you have arguments with others that may not even have the capacity to understand the semantics of your arguments bc evolution doesn’t select for this? Or what about determinism and why you’re determined to type out your messages when they will have no impact ? I mean even if you think it’s absurd to parse the details of the possibility of the presence of a soul…If there is no soul, there there is no free will and so you are just a pile of carbon atoms dispersing entropy in a unique and absurd method … on the internet
Sadly, no human being can answer this question. No matter who is asked - leading theoretical physicist, philosopher or theologian - they are only giving their opinions. There are few to no facts supporting their opinions. We have to live with this which is very hard since we want to know so much that we will never know.
Max Planck solved this riddle almost a hundred years ago when he said, *"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness."*
You know, TECHNICALLY, if the "afterlife" is truly eternal, then it SHOULD be eternal both into the past, and into the future... Cuz things just don't "start" being eternal... They just always are. That's the nature of eternity... So effectively, if you're not in the "eternal afterlife" NOW, then it doesn't exist... Prove me wrong. 😛
I don't buy a second of it. Nobody can even prove the existence of a God, let alone all the details of how he exists. And "eternity" is an awful long time. I'm 60, and sometimes I can't imagine another 20+ years, let alone eternity. I can't imagine wanting to exist "forever."
(1:02) *JM: **_"Life as a disembodied soul will be relatively difficult for us to conceptualize because we are embodied."_* ... I disagree with Mr. Moreland. We are gifted with brains that can handle all possible levels of conceivability. That's the #1 purpose of a human brain. To "conceptualize" what type of life might emerge after physical death can be achieved by simply studying the past. In my ToE, I propose a mathematical origin prior to Big Bang. All of this mathematical data evolved into physical representations of the same via Big Bang. Quarks can be seen as numbers, hadrons as rudimentary equations, and complex physical structures representative of highly complex mathematical formulas. Keep pushing forward for around 10 billion years and you repeat the same pattern via "life." Physical representations of numbers are represented as simple prokaryotes that evolve into more complex lifeforms that represent more complex mathematics - with humans representing the most complex mathematical formulas that have ever emerged. So, if you simply _"follow the pattern,"_ then the next representation of our Existence would not require any physical dimensions, complex structures, or organic materials. It would most likely be represented as an information-based existence that is a cumulation of all previous forms of information. Point being, .... _death is not the end of our journey!_
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 *"Your final sentence reminds me of a quote by Gandalf in LoTR, RotK. AKA Sounds great, but is pure fantasy lol"* ... Although fantasies don't follow a logic-based evolutionary pattern moving from simplicity to complexity, do they? I'm sure if any inanimate cosmic structure during the first 10 billion years was wondering what the nest stage of existence would be ... any structure proposing that it would become "living structure" based on previous patterns would suffer the same _"Sounds great but is pure fantasy lol"_ claim.
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 *"es but obviously our next stage of complexity will not include our current consciousness, so whatever it may be it'll be quite synonymous with physical death eternally."* ... If you apply that same argument to everything happening prior to humans, then inanimate physical structure wouldn't have included any of its mathematical predecessor, and living structure wouldn't have included any of its preceding inanimate structure nor any of its previous mathematical structure ... yet humans obviously include both in our make-up. Existence is a *logical progression* from simplicity to complexity. Everything builds on whatever proceeds it. That being the case, then everything we are moves forward into the next level, and nothing gets left behind. *"unless ofc you can prove conscious survival post-total cellular decay"* ... Mathematics combined with the standard model predicted the Higgs boson. All physicists needed to do was "follow the existing pattern." Why do you think the same can't happen for predicting the next stage of our existence if we "follow the existing pattern? ... Isn't that exactly what I'm doing right now?
One other issue always missed. At what age would I be there. Child for my dad when he left or father of my children...we are just a collection of memories.
Yours, among the merely philosophical comments, is the most sensible: people talk as if they can say what they do not understand. The truth is Moreland expresses a pov entirely at variance with the one that most exercises Robert Lawrence Kuhn. We have a conversation here between Athens and Jerusalem with the characters reversed. Lol
*"Eternal life is ether nonexistent or nothing we could possibly understand."* ... All I've ever known and experienced is life and existence. What makes something that represents everything that we know somehow "unknowable?'
@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC You may have a concept of life and existence, but you have no concept of eternity. While we know it's "forever," it's beyond actual comprehension.
@@mrbamfo5000 *"You may have a concept of life and existence, but you have no concept of eternity. While we know it's "forever," it's beyond actual comprehension."* ... I have an entire book dedicated to "Existence" that includes postmortem existence but thank you for telling me about "conceivable things" that I cannot conceive. Here's a news flash: If it isn't conceivable, then it doesn't exist (1st Law of Existence). And if you doubt me, then simply name something that exists that's not conceivable and you'll be golden. Will you do that for me, please? *"While we know it's "forever," it's beyond actual comprehension."* ... I have no difficulty whatsoever comprehending "forever." After all, since my birth that's all I've been experiencing. Same goes for you.
People always laugh at new scientific discoveries. They laughed at the Big Bang theory. They laughed at Black Holes. They laughed at Superposition. They laughed at Quantum Entanglement, and they laughed at Quantum Tunneling. He who laughs last, laughs best.
1:55 “ Different kind of body” Thank God for that, even at its very best my body gave me grief. Now in its seventh decade of use it’s damn near useless.
*"Nothingness before birth same as after death"* ... Describe this nothingness that you know about and have experienced without including any references to existence or first-person observation. Will you do that for me, please?
Do dogs have consciousness? I don't believe so because every bit of dog behavior could be simulated on a conventional computer. In other words, dogs never think of something new. They basically just respond to stimuli and repeat the same things over and over. Not so with human consciousness.
@bobblacka918 You're inverting consciousness with intelligence. Dogs are conscious. They know they exist, they know when they're hungry, have to go to the bathroom, when they sleep, they sometimes dream. Even plants have been shown to communicate when they are under threat.
Yeah, I had to walk away after halfway through. He said the reason the universe is so big is because it’s some thing a humans want . Needing certainty is a pitfall
If we look at it from a scientifically point of view, If we strip the human body from organs to tissue, all the way down to cells and molecules the foundation of it all is pure energy. So as it is written in certain contexts we are beings of light. All matter in its purest and barest form is pure energy and energy has no beginning and is indestructible. Energy is in constant transformation. I believe we are eternal beings however in regards to transcending this mortal life and remaining with consciousness, I suppose that's the real question.
I don't believe in religion. But it seems to me everything alive is conscious. My dogs know they're alive, hungry, cold, or whatever. Plants even have been shown to communicate. I think consciousness is universal to life. Intellect is also there, but on different levels. I can't say that all life isn't connected in some way through consciousness, but I don't believe it has anything to do with any human religion, whether there is an actual god type entity that kicked everything off to begin with or not.
There won't be sex in heaven, but remember one thing, heaven will be created by the same guy who invented sex and he's had thousands of years to improve on it.
I was in a coma and in the multi-verse and you don’t die you wake right back up. In a slightly better life or whatever. And it never ends. I was in heaven and hell. In dying, you are born unto eternal life.
If deeply pondered we come to a mesmerizing conclusion that the Eternal life is actually happens to be the ETERNAL FREEDOM. Quran tells us that DEATH is not an end to life but described it as a transition after this temporary short life, essentially a test of our loyalty to the Creator and our righteous lifestyle, comes to an end. Quran tells us that the earth was once a lifeless planet but then Allah evolved and enabled it to support the life. Same way this entire universe is not created without a purpose but it is being evolved and enabled to support the eternal life. The Universe will finally turn into an eternal life supporting super galactical world merely by changing the physical laws. The eternal life is the eternal freedom because it is free from all the regrets, worries, sufferings, discriminations, exploitations, injustices and handicaps. We stay young without any illness and death. We have immensely upgraded faculties and knowledge with ULTIMATE FREEDOM to plan our universal life and set our goals in a perfect world. It make great sense that we a need universal life and freedom to enjoy, explore and create our own worlds in a perfect world which is as big as this universe.
The primary coal that fuels Abrahamic religions has always been sexual repression and FEAR of sexuality. Its power freaks our slightly advanced monkey brains out. And remember, a donut or a firearm will never turn you down!
In Dharmic religions such as Buddhism there is no such idea as eternal life - all life which has a beginning will come to an end, no matter how long it would last.
And that is fundamentally why Buddha never rose from the dead to prove it was possible. So we can write him off to the dustbin of history. A true prophet has to be right 100% of the time.
@@bobblacka918 the goal of Buddhism, Nirvana where the Buddha and all enlightened sages realized is "unconditioned", no rising (birth) and no death (perishing), transcending all the conditioned formations existing in spatiotemporal realms including mind, consciousness and physical. It's not easy to understand this "unmanifest element" where even the consciousness is no longer established.
Fear of dying---that's all this is. We've come up with this theory of eternal life to help ourselves deal with that fear. Good video wasted on nonsense.
amazing the difference between listening to smart people speculating about ultimate reality after decades spent studying the universe and listening to smart people speculating about ultimate reality after decades spent studying one particular volume of ancient myths and the endless commentary written about it.
Idea of eternal life and life after death has driven all religions. But no one knows what it is actually like because you are not allowed to ask the question
And Carl Sagan also used to say that the proof of no God is that our solar system is not at the center of the Milky Way, which is apparently where Sagan believed it should be, if there was a God. Too bad Sagan never considered a Black Hole to be in the very same place where he considered our earth should have been. If he was so wrong about that, he can also be wrong about other things.
It is pretty reassuring that everyone who on earth gets away with hurting people will get what they deserve when they get to "judgment day.", or that no matter what unethical or illegal thing you've done can be wiped away by repenting before you die, so that everything will be bliss and perfect for eternity after you die. Comforting but pretty silly if you really think about it. What would a human lifetime really mean in the scale of eternity? Should you really have all of how you will spend your eternity, be based on what you did over maybe 80-90 years? There's countless reasons not to believe in Christianity and only one to believe. Because "the Bible tells me so."
I try endlessly to reach a conclusion as to what my attitude to life should be and it's so difficult because all the people are worshiping it, even the nihilist can't shut up with his dumb 'YOLO' philosophy, but all of their Gods, prophets and secular wise men have their back turned to life and show contempt for it, especially the Buddha.
Eternal life would be a nightmare. Our brains have a limited capacity to learn and remember. If you're 70 years old you'd be hard pressed to remember more than 5 percent of your life. We forget most of our days. Sad but there it is.
@stoneysdead689 While the % is probably off, most humans don't remember large portions of their life. Many of the memories they do have are tainted with time. They tend to change slightly every time they are remembered.
@@rickwyant LOL- I'm going to let ppl think about what you just said- how ridiculous it is- and let it go at that. You're regurgitating what you've heard other's say- and the percentage is much smaller- they claim it's less than 1%. But- that's all relative to how you define "remember" - what level of recollection you're looking for, and whether or not you feel you can trust what ppl are telling you. No one claims to know with any real certainty- something you might want to look into yourself sometime- humility. We can't even explain what memory is or how it works so- maybe don't be so quick to make absolute assertions. Or not- whatever...
I’m amazed how humans can think that they are so superior that they will have this eternal fantastic heavenly existence when Homo sapiens have only been around for 200 thousand or so years and all other beings ( other animals, insects, birds etc etc ) of nature don’t have the same privileges . This guy made no sense at all.
Everyone who thinks that they are more intelligent than JP, comment below the starting assumptions of your own worldview. I rarely encounter someone who knows why they disagree with someone. If you’re unaware of why your dogma is better than his then you’re no less ignorant.
Also, these are all informed by scripture. He’s not “making it up”, he’s reifying what he’s read after looking at other’s interpretation of scripture that he disagrees with. For instance, most people can’t tell the difference between scripture and Dante’s Inferno.
Fundamentally this guy is no different than Kat Kerr. Just male, better dressed, and his ideas are less overtly crazy. Kerr’s vision actually sounds like more fun as it has Christmas Town where it snows all the time, mountains of spices, space buses, and flying lessons conducted by Christopher Reeve. Moreland needs to come up with some better stuff if he is going to compete.
Please pray for me. Prayers are all we truly need. Jesus I still trust in you and will keep my faith even though it is so very difficult. I’m constantly faced with financial hardships and can barely support my children. I’m a single mom With two autistic children. My husband is with God. I’m overwhelmed. My boys require a lot from me. I recently started homeschooling them due to bullying and other issues. Since they are special needs it’s easier not to expose them to certain situations because their behavior is so unpredictable. I lost my job at Forsyth hospital for declining the vaccine. I declined because of my health conditions lupus, and heart disease. Since losing my job I’ve been struggling to support my children and myself. I’m now waitressing and I’m grateful but I’m not making nearly enough. JESUS HELP me. I’m CRYING OUT TO YOU. I’m tired of struggling. Having children with autism is extremely time consuming and expensive. Struggling to buy groceries. Struggling to pay rent. It hasn’t been easy. Why me Lord? But I know God doesn’t give you more than you can handle. I know all things are possible through Jesus. I WILL KEEP FAITH. No matter how hard life gets.
I'm sorry for your issues, but trying to pray them away isn't going to find you many answers. Your "faith" has already caused you your job and put you at serious risk since it sounds like your immune system is already in trouble. The vaccine was intended to protect people in your situation.
Fantastic video. Interesting because JP Moreland was successfully able to merge both science and religion into one cohesive discourse. He accurately portrayed how Jesus was able to manipulate the foundations of Quantum Mechanics: Superposition (Jesus was seen in two places at the same time), Quantum Tunneling (Jesus was seen to pass through solid objects), manipulation of physical objects (turning water into wine, raising people from the dead, etc), and declaring the reality of a Quantum Identity of every particle in the universe that cannot be altered or destroyed, also called the soul. Interesting that these natural phenomenon were doubted for 2,000 years, and then, scientific discoveries in the 1920's were finally able to confirm their validity. Someday we will be able to do all those things just by thinking about it.
As per Bhagbat Gita we are eternal souls but due to our karma we are bound in material body and material energy are inferior so we experience sorrow , miseary, death that's why Lord Krishna says ourselves do not attach in this material world and try to break the shackle.
I understand people want to know exactly what is going to happen to them after they die. Fear of the unknown is disorienting, so they feel they need to make things up in order to reassure themselves. That's fine, but is it "closer to truth" or just another "story" that makes us feel good about the uncertainty of our limited bodies? I'm not saying there isn't an afterlife of some kind, but creating such a sepcific vision of one based on something wrote in a book, is, well, I guess it's just religion and I don't consider religion a great force of "Truth." It is a very specific narative and perspective that ties a large group of people together in a cohesive collective to believe in the same thing, perform the same rituals, and thus feel like a tight community. This was necessary as societies grew from small hunter-gatherer tribes to much larger groupings. And as we've seen religion is a double-edged sword if there ever was one. But I think these very specific ideas of reality based on nothing but religious scripture do very little to reveal actual "Truth."
JPM is almost there, let me answer this question a bit more succinctly. I am 90 years old and more and more, each day, heaven becomes an important object of contemplation. I've decided that since I have never seen a description of Heaven that is both imaginable and plausible and accounts for that other possibility we call Hell, I stopped guessing what Heaven and Hell are like and began to imagine what I would like them to be. It is easier to describe my Heaven than my Hell because fortunately this lifetime was closer to a Heaven than to a Hell. So, here's what my Heaven would be like: My mother and father will be in the same age-relationship with me as they were this time around. They won't be teenagers and they won't be ageless; they will be my mother and father. So too will my brothers and sisters, my children, their children, and all the people I have known in this life- time will be there just as they are or were in this lifetime. Yes, there will be the same animals, flowers, oceans, stars, rocks and all the things I've experienced in this lifetime. I will fall in love again with the same beautiful woman and live an entire married life immersed in romance, good humor, and friendship. My Heavenly life will be filled with the same or more of the laughter, wonder, love, joy, fun, peace, nostalgia, and piety that has filled this life. I will hit a baseball again; I will hear La boheme for the first time again; I will sing babies to sleep in the middle of a quiet night again. I will eat peanuts, smell roses, hear a whippoorwill, see the ocean for the first time; see Broadway musicals, watch my children graduate, marry the same persons, and have the same children again. That is my vision of what Heaven could, should, and will be like. On the Hell side, just as there is in this lifetime, there will be diseases, earthquakes, plagues, floods, and all sorts of natural evil. There will be war, bigotry, injustice, tyranny, and poverty and all sorts of social evil. There will be sin, crime, addiction, affliction and all sorts of personnel evil. However, in our next life each of these evils will be palpably diminished. Since I have had a minimum of disappointments in this life, I can't describe a vision of a personal Hell, but it would consist of far too many regrets and sins, none of which I care to share. But if I have confessed those sins, transgressions, and regrets, then they won't happen in the milieu that is my next lifetime because I will enter it with a more effective conscience, more moral certitude, and more open to God's grace. My Heaven and Hell would look a lot like my present life except there would be fewer regrets and sins committed. In other words, it would be imperceptibly better. Like the movie "Ground Hog Day", in which Bill Murray repeatedly wakes up on the same day, but each subsequent day, he alters his behavior for the better, and experiences more and more joy. For us, each new life would be closer to Heaven and farther from Hell. It is what I want Heaven to be like. On the other hand, it describes how those that have been derived of a full lifetime of wonder, peace, and joy, those now suffering in a life that seems like Hell to eventually escape, so that all souls are saved and will experience the joy that is Heaven. In the meantime, we are making our way through our personnel purgatories in which we too often make the wrong choices. Eventually we will all escape our personal Hell and arrive at that perfect world we call Heaven. And how would this sort of Heaven/Hell come about. Well, there does happen to be a scientific solution for my hope. It is called the Many World Interpretation of the Schroedinger wave equation that is often referred to as parallel worlds. The first thing that comes to mind for some that hear of the parallel world idea is reincarnation. Living a parallel life as yourself is not reincarnation; if the Many World Interpretation is real, we are now living in a parallel lifetime and the only thing that that we bring from our previous life is our innate conscience. Since our bodies are resurrected at the end of time to exist eternally as a complete physical and spiritual person, and since in this present state the body and soul are imperfect, and since it is through grace and the application of our free will that we are justified, it seems plausible to me that there be interim states in which the process of justification is brought to fruition. Hence parallel worlds.
Imagine having done everything for the 1,450,467th time, that is what eternity is. Such nonsense, will we all have six packs, and be married to runway models.
Total nonsense, but the more I learn about the theories of reality like from Donald Hoffman the more I think all religion is a feeble attempt to explain reality outside the headset. Probably because there is an unconscious connection to what is behind this reality. Psychedelics and dreams may also pull on that thread.
Yahweh commuicates with Yahweh as in Abraham meeting the 3 Angels....but the answer really is EYE HAS NOT SEEN EAR HAS NOT HEARD THE MIND CAN'T CONCEIVE
This guy is kinda all over the place with his concepts of eternal life. First he surmise that to be a disembodied spirit, you would have a kinda of dull sensation of things, and then he surmises that because Jesus was able to walk through walls or do mind over matter as he puts it stuff. just because our lord was able to do that doesn’t mean we will, after all he’s not just any spirit, he’s God’s son. His only begotten son at that. That in my mind would make him above any other spirit. The Bible just says we will have incorruptible bodies, not magical abilities, it only means our bodies will not degrade or age at all. We will maintain youth eternally. This guy has a big imagination and smorgasbord cafeteria type faith. Pick and take what appeals to him, but with no supporting scripture of it. 😳
What makes you think that God is male? Gender attachment to "GOD" is very small minded. God is greater than religion can describe, not the egomaniac that needs to be bold to and worshiped to or only communicated to by "special" people. Religion is a self serving manmade system to control and use other humans!
So God has genes? lol. To answer your silly question, you have to first believe the God of the Jews & Christians, Bible, Israel & Jerusalem ... is real. If however, you stupidly believe in a moon god called Lah .. & ..his pedophile racist pagan prophet ... you will never understand ... that nature & being of the God of the Jews & Christians, perfect Torah & Gospels, Israel and the holiest city, Jerusalem. The Function, Intelligence & Mind Categories and the origin of Isolated Thermodynamic Systems ... proves ... the Universe is a Natural System made & expanding in ... an Unnatural, infinite & timeless System by a very very powerful UNNATURAL intelligence. Again. Why are you saying God must have genes ... if His Son ... has a body & soul? God made the Universe ... and ... the body of His Son. Sheez.
Since William Lane Craig made a fool of himself with Roger Penrose believers are lost. Listening this poor guy talking nonsense fantasies is really embarrasing.
Well if you strip the human body past, the organs tissue down to the cell all the way to the photons then you get pure energy. Energy is the source of the universe it has no beginning and it is indestructible. Energy is in constant transformation.
Before critizing, first, put before all of us here, your system, exposition. Reveal which books you study etc. It's easy to critize others, we all have faults; and it's ever most difficult, to confront ourselves, and there's only one that can do it - overcoming our minds is a very difficult task, and few their be that do.
I think most people watching this channel have foremost a keen interest in science along with an appreciation of how science can inform theories that cannot be proven experimentally, both scientific and philosophical. But Moreland here is espousing what seems to be a very peculiar and very personal belief that is only vaguely informed by religious scripture. Scripture is neither science nor history, it is literature. You can believe it or not believe it but it's nothing but literature as far as providing any science behind the beliefs. And he comes off as completely bonkers, too. Hence, the criticism.
With every question from RLK, Moreland is making it up on the run.
False. That would require intelligence.
@@duytdl There is only one intelligence...
@@waldwassermann If you're referring to multi-dimentional intelligence theory know that it's not widely accepted yet, but still by default the term would still refer to whatever kind of basic intelligence is needed to deduce (from simple facts like multiple contradictory religions exist, all containing various contradictions within themselves, not to mention basic observational skills required to notice the severe lack of any evidence whatsoever in favor of any of them) that all religions are a lie. Therefore, whatever philosophical ideas, theories, or prophesies about it must come, not from an intelligent but rather a diseased/disordered mind.
You are right--what an insult to RLK and his audience!
Strange, incoherent beliefs that go against everything we know about life, bodies, and reality.
It's a belief LITERALLY from the dark ages. They shouldn't have given this delusion any airtime.
You said it perfectly
It may be strange to some, but certainly not incoherent. Just because someone thinks an idea is strange does not make the idea wrong.
There are excellent reasons to accept that heaven is real and that we are embodied souls. An example is the near death experience account documented by physicians and others. Another is that consciousness cannot be reduced to matter.
Yes why would it be any other way?
one of those interviews you have to watch on acid.
I'll just quote Wolgang Pauli here. "That's not even wrong."
Just by saying this is religion we bypass the very fact that this would otherwise be considered mental illness
brilliant
Why is it mental illness to speculate on the future?
@@markb3786 he’s borrowing from Hitchens, even if he doesn’t know it. What you dismiss so readily I’ll bet you haven’t even started to engage with. This is also ignorant.
What about the absurdism of believing that you have arguments with others that may not even have the capacity to understand the semantics of your arguments bc evolution doesn’t select for this?
Or what about determinism and why you’re determined to type out your messages when they will have no impact ? I mean even if you think it’s absurd to parse the details of the possibility of the presence of a soul…If there is no soul, there there is no free will and so you are just a pile of carbon atoms dispersing entropy in a unique and absurd method … on the internet
If you actually believe religious/spiritual beliefs are or equal to mental illnesses, this is for you m.ruclips.net/video/6lxSSzD_9HU/видео.html
Sadly, no human being can answer this question. No matter who is asked - leading theoretical physicist, philosopher or theologian - they are only giving their opinions. There are few to no facts supporting their opinions. We have to live with this which is very hard since we want to know so much that we will never know.
Sensible take. The conversation is almost idle actually.
We won't know until we get to the other side.
Max Planck solved this riddle almost a hundred years ago when he said, *"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness."*
Ludus Amoris...
As soon as he prefaces his statements with “I think…” he loses all credibility as then his statements are only opinions, not facts.
"Think? What's that? That's ghetto. I don't think. I know."
If it sounds too good to be true, then it is too good to be true.
You know, TECHNICALLY, if the "afterlife" is truly eternal, then it SHOULD be eternal both into the past, and into the future... Cuz things just don't "start" being eternal... They just always are. That's the nature of eternity... So effectively, if you're not in the "eternal afterlife" NOW, then it doesn't exist...
Prove me wrong. 😛
The crazy train has left the station.
I don't buy a second of it. Nobody can even prove the existence of a God, let alone all the details of how he exists. And "eternity" is an awful long time. I'm 60, and sometimes I can't imagine another 20+ years, let alone eternity. I can't imagine wanting to exist "forever."
(1:02) *JM: **_"Life as a disembodied soul will be relatively difficult for us to conceptualize because we are embodied."_* ... I disagree with Mr. Moreland. We are gifted with brains that can handle all possible levels of conceivability. That's the #1 purpose of a human brain. To "conceptualize" what type of life might emerge after physical death can be achieved by simply studying the past.
In my ToE, I propose a mathematical origin prior to Big Bang. All of this mathematical data evolved into physical representations of the same via Big Bang. Quarks can be seen as numbers, hadrons as rudimentary equations, and complex physical structures representative of highly complex mathematical formulas.
Keep pushing forward for around 10 billion years and you repeat the same pattern via "life." Physical representations of numbers are represented as simple prokaryotes that evolve into more complex lifeforms that represent more complex mathematics - with humans representing the most complex mathematical formulas that have ever emerged.
So, if you simply _"follow the pattern,"_ then the next representation of our Existence would not require any physical dimensions, complex structures, or organic materials. It would most likely be represented as an information-based existence that is a cumulation of all previous forms of information.
Point being, .... _death is not the end of our journey!_
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 *"Your final sentence reminds me of a quote by Gandalf in LoTR, RotK. AKA Sounds great, but is pure fantasy lol"*
... Although fantasies don't follow a logic-based evolutionary pattern moving from simplicity to complexity, do they?
I'm sure if any inanimate cosmic structure during the first 10 billion years was wondering what the nest stage of existence would be ... any structure proposing that it would become "living structure" based on previous patterns would suffer the same _"Sounds great but is pure fantasy lol"_ claim.
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 *"es but obviously our next stage of complexity will not include our current consciousness, so whatever it may be it'll be quite synonymous with physical death eternally."*
... If you apply that same argument to everything happening prior to humans, then inanimate physical structure wouldn't have included any of its mathematical predecessor, and living structure wouldn't have included any of its preceding inanimate structure nor any of its previous mathematical structure ... yet humans obviously include both in our make-up.
Existence is a *logical progression* from simplicity to complexity. Everything builds on whatever proceeds it. That being the case, then everything we are moves forward into the next level, and nothing gets left behind.
*"unless ofc you can prove conscious survival post-total cellular decay"*
... Mathematics combined with the standard model predicted the Higgs boson. All physicists needed to do was "follow the existing pattern." Why do you think the same can't happen for predicting the next stage of our existence if we "follow the existing pattern?
... Isn't that exactly what I'm doing right now?
God is so content and wise because he is a Buddhist.
A Distinguished Professor of Philosophy...?🤣🤣🤣 Oh. My. Gawd!
😂😂😂😂 unbelievable
"Declarative Reality" is the specialty of executives and theologians.
One other issue always missed. At what age would I be there. Child for my dad when he left or father of my children...we are just a collection of memories.
So basically heaven is like playing Minecraft. We can make anything we want.
Eternal life is ether nonexistent or nothing we could possibly understand.
Yours, among the merely philosophical comments, is the most sensible: people talk as if they can say what they do not understand. The truth is Moreland expresses a pov entirely at variance with the one that most exercises Robert Lawrence Kuhn. We have a conversation here between Athens and Jerusalem with the characters reversed. Lol
*"Eternal life is ether nonexistent or nothing we could possibly understand."*
... All I've ever known and experienced is life and existence. What makes something that represents everything that we know somehow "unknowable?'
We are it. However.... Genesis 2:18.
@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC You may have a concept of life and existence, but you have no concept of eternity. While we know it's "forever," it's beyond actual comprehension.
@@mrbamfo5000 *"You may have a concept of life and existence, but you have no concept of eternity. While we know it's "forever," it's beyond actual comprehension."*
... I have an entire book dedicated to "Existence" that includes postmortem existence but thank you for telling me about "conceivable things" that I cannot conceive.
Here's a news flash: If it isn't conceivable, then it doesn't exist (1st Law of Existence). And if you doubt me, then simply name something that exists that's not conceivable and you'll be golden. Will you do that for me, please?
*"While we know it's "forever," it's beyond actual comprehension."*
... I have no difficulty whatsoever comprehending "forever." After all, since my birth that's all I've been experiencing. Same goes for you.
If a child came out with this you would try not to laugh in their face.
I know. Who would not be tempted to laugh? But what if the final laugh was on us? It might be you know.
People always laugh at new scientific discoveries. They laughed at the Big Bang theory. They laughed at Black Holes. They laughed at Superposition. They laughed at Quantum Entanglement, and they laughed at Quantum Tunneling. He who laughs last, laughs best.
@@bobblacka918 The guy's out of his mind. And I'm not laughing.
1:55 “ Different kind of body”
Thank God for that, even at its very best my body gave me grief. Now in its seventh decade of use it’s damn near useless.
Nothingness before birth same as after death
That's it.
That’s how I think of it.
*"Nothingness before birth same as after death"*
... Describe this nothingness that you know about and have experienced without including any references to existence or first-person observation. Will you do that for me, please?
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC You can’t even agree you didn’t exist before you were born? Wow, being religious really is a mental illness
So everythingness = one cosmic consciousness
Does this apply to dogs as well? (asking for a pet)
Do dogs have consciousness? I don't believe so because every bit of dog behavior could be simulated on a conventional computer. In other words, dogs never think of something new. They basically just respond to stimuli and repeat the same things over and over. Not so with human consciousness.
@bobblacka918 You're inverting consciousness with intelligence. Dogs are conscious. They know they exist, they know when they're hungry, have to go to the bathroom, when they sleep, they sometimes dream. Even plants have been shown to communicate when they are under threat.
@@bobblacka918 Have you ever actually been around a dog?
Yeah, I had to walk away after halfway through. He said the reason the universe is so big is because it’s some thing a humans want . Needing certainty is a pitfall
This guy is nuts
If we look at it from a scientifically point of view, If we strip the human body from organs to tissue, all the way down to cells and molecules the foundation of it all is pure energy. So as it is written in certain contexts we are beings of light. All matter in its purest and barest form is pure energy and energy has no beginning and is indestructible. Energy is in constant transformation.
I believe we are eternal beings however in regards to transcending this mortal life and remaining with consciousness, I suppose that's the real question.
John. Yes. You understand. You are a rare breed my man. But you understand.
I don't believe in religion. But it seems to me everything alive is conscious. My dogs know
they're alive, hungry, cold, or whatever. Plants even have been shown to communicate. I think consciousness is universal to life. Intellect is also there, but on different levels. I can't say that all life isn't connected in some way through consciousness, but I don't believe it has anything to do with any human religion, whether there is an actual god type entity that kicked everything off to begin with or not.
As a kid, the thought of eternal boredom in heaven sounded worse than hell.
Do not worry JP thinks there will be playstations there
😂😂😂
There won't be sex in heaven, but remember one thing, heaven will be created by the same guy who invented sex and he's had thousands of years to improve on it.
I was in a coma and in the multi-verse and you don’t die you wake right back up. In a slightly better life or whatever. And it never ends. I was in heaven and hell. In dying, you are born unto eternal life.
I was in a coma after an ATC accident and I don't remember anything for 2 months before and after. I didn't go to any "multiverse".
I can't believe Kuhn kept a straight face through this.
@fartpoobox ohyeah We? Really?
This guy obviously doesn’t know the spaghetti monster rules the universe and our eternal souls.
May the spaghetti monster have mercy on his soul.
And once youve dreamed every kind of dream, experienced everything at your disposal..Then you will wake up as you are now
If deeply pondered we come to a mesmerizing conclusion that the Eternal life is actually happens to be the ETERNAL FREEDOM.
Quran tells us that DEATH is not an end to life but described it as a transition after this temporary short life, essentially a test of our loyalty to the Creator and our righteous lifestyle, comes to an end.
Quran tells us that the earth was once a lifeless planet but then Allah evolved and enabled it to support the life. Same way this entire universe is not created without a purpose but it is being evolved and enabled to support the eternal life. The Universe will finally turn into an eternal life supporting super galactical world merely by changing the physical laws.
The eternal life is the eternal freedom because it is free from all the regrets, worries, sufferings, discriminations, exploitations, injustices and handicaps. We stay young without any illness and death. We have immensely upgraded faculties and knowledge with ULTIMATE FREEDOM to plan our universal life and set our goals in a perfect world.
It make great sense that we a need universal life and freedom to enjoy, explore and create our own worlds in a perfect world which is as big as this universe.
This is the most ridiculous deceiving episode that I ever watched there's going to be food but there is not going to be sex😂😂
Why is it deceiving? Sex is enjoyable but mainly for reproduction. Imagine a physical sensation better than sex.
Omh lol😂
The primary coal that fuels Abrahamic religions has always been sexual repression and FEAR of sexuality. Its power freaks our slightly advanced monkey brains out.
And remember, a donut or a firearm will never turn you down!
At some point in the interview the interviewer is smiling. Me too.
The accusation of being deceiving is over the top. Just because you may disagree does not mean Dr. Moreland is deceptive.
In Dharmic religions such as Buddhism there is no such idea as eternal life - all life which has a beginning will come to an end, no matter how long it would last.
And that is fundamentally why Buddha never rose from the dead to prove it was possible. So we can write him off to the dustbin of history. A true prophet has to be right 100% of the time.
@@bobblacka918 the goal of Buddhism, Nirvana where the Buddha and all enlightened sages realized is "unconditioned", no rising (birth) and no death (perishing), transcending all the conditioned formations existing in spatiotemporal realms including mind, consciousness and physical. It's not easy to understand this "unmanifest element" where even the consciousness is no longer established.
So in heaven we won't be worshiping God all the time? And what will eternal life be like for those who go to the other place?
Fear of dying---that's all this is. We've come up with this theory of eternal life to help ourselves deal with that fear. Good video wasted on nonsense.
amazing the difference between listening to smart people speculating about ultimate reality after decades spent studying the universe and listening to smart people speculating about ultimate reality after decades spent studying one particular volume of ancient myths and the endless commentary written about it.
I agree with his tie, palma non sine pulvere; the prize is not without dust
Idea of eternal life and life after death has driven all religions. But no one knows what it is actually like because you are not allowed to ask the question
Well ... that question is asked and is the whole point of the interview.
@@ricksturdivant6380 my point was regarding people generally don't ask such a question... Don't enquire
@@Rohit-oz1or Yes. Many people don't ask that question.
The sociopolitical/environmental fallout of such bizarre delusions continues to threaten ‚creations‘ existence on this planet. That’s beyond tragic.
Carl Sagan said God and Eternal life is a "reassuring fable"
I guess that's it then.
Carl was as fatuous as JP.
And Carl Sagan also used to say that the proof of no God is that our solar system is not at the center of the Milky Way, which is apparently where Sagan believed it should be, if there was a God. Too bad Sagan never considered a Black Hole to be in the very same place where he considered our earth should have been. If he was so wrong about that, he can also be wrong about other things.
Have you heard about the illusion of separation? If separation is an illusion then how can there be death?
It is pretty reassuring that everyone who on earth gets away with hurting people will get what they deserve when they get to "judgment day.", or that no matter what unethical or illegal thing you've done can be wiped away by repenting before you die, so that everything will be bliss and perfect for eternity after you die. Comforting but pretty silly if you really think about it.
What would a human lifetime really mean in the scale of eternity? Should you really have all of how you will spend your eternity, be based on what you did over maybe 80-90 years? There's countless reasons not to believe in Christianity and only one to believe. Because "the Bible tells me so."
I try endlessly to reach a conclusion as to what my attitude to life should be and it's so difficult because all the people are worshiping it, even the nihilist can't shut up with his dumb 'YOLO' philosophy, but all of their Gods, prophets and secular wise men have their back turned to life and show contempt for it, especially the Buddha.
Eternal life would be a nightmare. Our brains have a limited capacity to learn and remember. If you're 70 years old you'd be hard pressed to remember more than 5 percent of your life. We forget most of our days. Sad but there it is.
LOL- What utter nonsense.
@stoneysdead689 While the % is probably off, most humans don't remember large portions of their life. Many of the memories they do have are tainted with time. They tend to change slightly every time they are remembered.
@@stoneysdead689 I would challenge you or anyone to show me more memories. You don't even know what you were doing two weeks ago.
@@rickwyant LOL- I'm going to let ppl think about what you just said- how ridiculous it is- and let it go at that. You're regurgitating what you've heard other's say- and the percentage is much smaller- they claim it's less than 1%.
But- that's all relative to how you define "remember" - what level of recollection you're looking for, and whether or not you feel you can trust what ppl are telling you. No one claims to know with any real certainty- something you might want to look into yourself sometime- humility. We can't even explain what memory is or how it works so- maybe don't be so quick to make absolute assertions. Or not- whatever...
@@stoneysdead689sounds smart 😂.
J.P. Morgan: In summary, I DON’T KNOW.
RLK: I figured as much.
A Proper Summary
RL Kuhn: The Judeo-Christian view of the afterlife is not widely known.
JP Moreland: The afterlife is rich and interesting.
Reminds me of the Talking Heads song, "Heaven", "Heaven is a place...where nothing ever happens"'
Wow! These people have more imagination than J. V.
He also believes in the Easter bunny.
I find these claims very offensive for the intellectual listener
I’m amazed how humans can think that they are so superior that they will have this eternal fantastic heavenly existence when Homo sapiens have only been around for 200 thousand or so years and all other beings ( other animals, insects, birds etc etc ) of nature don’t have the same privileges . This guy made no sense at all.
I hope my new body is accompanied by the latest design of surfboard and the very best of uncrowded warm water surf.
A disembodied consciousness would be a nightmare. No sensory input, no ability to communicate. You'd be a lonely thought, absolutely horrifying
Everyone who thinks that they are more intelligent than JP, comment below the starting assumptions of your own worldview.
I rarely encounter someone who knows why they disagree with someone. If you’re unaware of why your dogma is better than his then you’re no less ignorant.
Also, these are all informed by scripture. He’s not “making it up”, he’s reifying what he’s read after looking at other’s interpretation of scripture that he disagrees with. For instance, most people can’t tell the difference between scripture and Dante’s Inferno.
All I can say is: Thank God I'm an Atheist.
Robert wants to live forever so bad. It's almost sad.
Most people prefer to be alive.
@@jamese9283 I understand wanting to be alive but death is natural and nothing to fear.
@@rickwyant Death is a big unknown, no matter your beliefs, and most people are afraid or uncomfortable with the unknown.
@@jamese9283 there was a time before we were born that we did not exist. We were basically dead. We'll just return to that state.
He must have excelled in creative writing class.
Fundamentally this guy is no different than Kat Kerr. Just male, better dressed, and his ideas are less overtly crazy. Kerr’s vision actually sounds like more fun as it has Christmas Town where it snows all the time, mountains of spices, space buses, and flying lessons conducted by Christopher Reeve. Moreland needs to come up with some better stuff if he is going to compete.
All those claims just ridiculous where's your evidence for it
Skeptic: What's your evidence for all those claims?
Christian: The Bible says so.
Skeptic: It'd be more honest to remain agnostic on those questions.
I just can't believe that. Jesus and paradise and all.
And it is horrifying me.
If anybody can pray for me, it'll be nice 🙏.
Thank you.
With the Judea Christian god forever in paradise
J.P. Moreland is insane.
Whatever you imagine it to be.
Please pray for me. Prayers are all we truly need. Jesus I still trust in you and will keep my faith even though it is so very difficult. I’m constantly faced with financial hardships and can barely support my children. I’m a single mom With two autistic children. My husband is with God. I’m overwhelmed. My boys require a lot from me. I recently started homeschooling them due to bullying and other issues. Since they are special needs it’s easier not to expose them to certain situations because their behavior is so unpredictable. I lost my job at Forsyth hospital for declining the vaccine. I declined because of my health conditions lupus, and heart disease. Since losing my job I’ve been struggling to support my children and myself. I’m now waitressing and I’m grateful but I’m not making nearly enough. JESUS HELP me. I’m CRYING OUT TO YOU. I’m tired of struggling. Having children with autism is extremely time consuming and expensive. Struggling to buy groceries. Struggling to pay rent. It hasn’t been easy. Why me Lord? But I know God doesn’t give you more than you can handle. I know all things are possible through Jesus. I WILL KEEP FAITH. No matter how hard life gets.
@TheKravika 😂😂😂 why tho
❤️
So, when things are tough it's not gods fault but when they are good it's all him? Religion is such a fucking poison.
I'm sorry for your issues, but trying to pray them away isn't going to find you many answers. Your "faith" has already caused you your job and put you at serious risk since it sounds like your immune system is already in trouble. The vaccine was intended to protect people in your situation.
I dont feel like im right????😂😂😂 Right😅
Fantastic video. Interesting because JP Moreland was successfully able to merge both science and religion into one cohesive discourse. He accurately portrayed how Jesus was able to manipulate the foundations of Quantum Mechanics: Superposition (Jesus was seen in two places at the same time), Quantum Tunneling (Jesus was seen to pass through solid objects), manipulation of physical objects (turning water into wine, raising people from the dead, etc), and declaring the reality of a Quantum Identity of every particle in the universe that cannot be altered or destroyed, also called the soul. Interesting that these natural phenomenon were doubted for 2,000 years, and then, scientific discoveries in the 1920's were finally able to confirm their validity. Someday we will be able to do all those things just by thinking about it.
As a christian, I'm extremely ashamed
As per Bhagbat Gita we are eternal souls but due to our karma we are bound in material body and material energy are inferior so we experience sorrow , miseary, death that's why Lord Krishna says ourselves do not attach in this material world and try to break the shackle.
So why would sex and/or procreation be out? With the entire Universe at our disposal, there would not be a time where more people are problematic.
I understand people want to know exactly what is going to happen to them after they die. Fear of the unknown is disorienting, so they feel they need to make things up in order to reassure themselves. That's fine, but is it "closer to truth" or just another "story" that makes us feel good about the uncertainty of our limited bodies? I'm not saying there isn't an afterlife of some kind, but creating such a sepcific vision of one based on something wrote in a book, is, well, I guess it's just religion and I don't consider religion a great force of "Truth." It is a very specific narative and perspective that ties a large group of people together in a cohesive collective to believe in the same thing, perform the same rituals, and thus feel like a tight community. This was necessary as societies grew from small hunter-gatherer tribes to much larger groupings. And as we've seen religion is a double-edged sword if there ever was one. But I think these very specific ideas of reality based on nothing but religious scripture do very little to reveal actual "Truth."
That. Was. Um. Hilarious. 😂
JPM is almost there, let me answer this question a bit more succinctly.
I am 90 years old and more and more, each day, heaven becomes an important object of contemplation. I've decided that since I have never seen a description of Heaven that is both imaginable and plausible and accounts for that other possibility we call Hell, I stopped guessing what Heaven and Hell are like and began to imagine what I would like them to be. It is easier to describe my Heaven than my Hell because fortunately this lifetime was closer to a Heaven than to a Hell. So, here's what my Heaven would be like:
My mother and father will be in the same age-relationship with me as they were this time around. They won't be teenagers and they won't be ageless; they will be my mother and father. So too will my brothers and sisters, my children, their children, and all the people I have known in this life- time will be there just as they are or were in this lifetime. Yes, there will be the same animals, flowers, oceans, stars, rocks and all the things I've experienced in this lifetime.
I will fall in love again with the same beautiful woman and live an entire married life immersed in romance, good humor, and friendship. My Heavenly life will be filled with the same or more of the laughter, wonder, love, joy, fun, peace, nostalgia, and piety that has filled this life. I will hit a baseball again; I will hear La boheme for the first time again; I will sing babies to sleep in the middle of a quiet night again. I will eat peanuts, smell roses, hear a whippoorwill, see the ocean for the first time; see Broadway musicals, watch my children graduate, marry the same persons, and have the same children again. That is my vision of what Heaven could, should, and will be like.
On the Hell side, just as there is in this lifetime, there will be diseases, earthquakes, plagues, floods, and all sorts of natural evil. There will be war, bigotry, injustice, tyranny, and poverty and all sorts of social evil. There will be sin, crime, addiction, affliction and all sorts of personnel evil. However, in our next life each of these evils will be palpably diminished.
Since I have had a minimum of disappointments in this life, I can't describe a vision of a personal Hell, but it would consist of far too many regrets and sins, none of which I care to share. But if I have confessed those sins, transgressions, and regrets, then they won't happen in the milieu that is my next lifetime because I will enter it with a more effective conscience, more moral certitude, and more open to God's grace.
My Heaven and Hell would look a lot like my present life except there would be fewer regrets and sins committed. In other words, it would be imperceptibly better. Like the movie "Ground Hog Day", in which Bill Murray repeatedly wakes up on the same day, but each subsequent day, he alters his behavior for the better, and experiences more and more joy. For us, each new life would be closer to Heaven and farther from Hell. It is what I want Heaven to be like. On the other hand, it describes how those that have been derived of a full lifetime of wonder, peace, and joy, those now suffering in a life that seems like Hell to eventually escape, so that all souls are saved and will experience the joy that is Heaven.
In the meantime, we are making our way through our personnel purgatories in which we too often make the wrong choices. Eventually we will all escape our personal Hell and arrive at that perfect world we call Heaven. And how would this sort of Heaven/Hell come about. Well, there does happen to be a scientific solution for my hope. It is called the Many World Interpretation of the Schroedinger wave equation that is often referred to as parallel worlds. The first thing that comes to mind for some that hear of the parallel world idea is reincarnation. Living a parallel life as yourself is not reincarnation; if the Many World Interpretation is real, we are now living in a parallel lifetime and the only thing that that we bring from our previous life is our innate conscience.
Since our bodies are resurrected at the end of time to exist eternally as a complete physical and spiritual person, and since in this present state the body and soul are imperfect, and since it is through grace and the application of our free will that we are justified, it seems plausible to me that there be interim states in which the process of justification is brought to fruition. Hence parallel worlds.
Imagine having done everything for the 1,450,467th time, that is what eternity is. Such nonsense, will we all have six packs, and be married to runway models.
He said no sex allowed in heaven.
Total nonsense, but the more I learn about the theories of reality like from Donald Hoffman the more I think all religion is a feeble attempt to explain reality outside the headset. Probably because there is an unconscious connection to what is behind this reality. Psychedelics and dreams may also pull on that thread.
Certainty has never made a god real.
Yahweh commuicates with Yahweh as in Abraham meeting the 3 Angels....but the answer really is EYE HAS NOT SEEN EAR HAS NOT HEARD THE MIND CAN'T CONCEIVE
This guy is kinda all over the place with his concepts of eternal life. First he surmise that to be a disembodied spirit, you would have a kinda of dull sensation of things, and then he surmises that because Jesus was able to walk through walls or do mind over matter as he puts it stuff. just because our lord was able to do that doesn’t mean we will, after all he’s not just any spirit, he’s God’s son. His only begotten son at that. That in my mind would make him above any other spirit. The Bible just says we will have incorruptible bodies, not magical abilities, it only means our bodies will not degrade or age at all. We will maintain youth eternally. This guy has a big imagination and smorgasbord cafeteria type faith. Pick and take what appeals to him, but with no supporting scripture of it. 😳
Mumbo jumbo
Oops... Sorry, wrong room!
Bunch of bs 😂
It looks like linear execution of primitive discrete machine
Jesus saves. He paid it all. ❤
What I see is that Jesus is a racist sexist bigot. Right? By their fruits you shall know them?
Eloi eloi lama sabachthani.
Sure doesn't sound like a guy who's saving anyone. More like rationalisation after the fact.
It's not a sacrifice if you don't stay dead.
What makes you think that God is male? Gender attachment to "GOD" is very small minded. God is greater than religion can describe, not the egomaniac that needs to be bold to and worshiped to or only communicated to by "special" people. Religion is a self serving manmade system to control and use other humans!
Now they can remove Sabine Hossenfelder off the top list.
🐨The "foolish imagination of man".....🤔🐨
In what sense is Jesus God's son? Is it genetic? Or is it a step father deal?
@Itswild38 I'm genetically related to my father. That's what makes him my father. Was Jesus genetically related to God ?
@@eurethnic No need for genetics. It was all just a spiritual arrangement. Ha.
So God has genes? lol.
To answer your silly question, you have to first believe the God of the Jews & Christians, Bible, Israel & Jerusalem ... is real.
If however, you stupidly believe in a moon god called Lah .. & ..his pedophile racist pagan prophet ... you will never understand ... that nature & being of the God of the Jews & Christians, perfect Torah & Gospels, Israel and the holiest city, Jerusalem.
The Function, Intelligence & Mind Categories and the origin of Isolated Thermodynamic Systems ... proves ... the Universe is a Natural System made & expanding in ... an Unnatural, infinite & timeless System by a very very powerful UNNATURAL intelligence.
Again. Why are you saying God must have genes ... if His Son ... has a body & soul? God made the Universe ... and ... the body of His Son. Sheez.
even god will be like what the hell he is talking about 😆😆😆
Since William Lane Craig made a fool of himself with Roger Penrose believers are lost. Listening this poor guy talking nonsense fantasies is really embarrasing.
Eternal means no beginning too
Well if you strip the human body past, the organs tissue down to the cell all the way to the photons then you get pure energy. Energy is the source of the universe it has no beginning and it is indestructible. Energy is in constant transformation.
Absurd
Why is food needed?
"Errrrr hummmm well I don't know why". OK then
I don't know about this guy
Moreland has no basis for anything he says beyond 4th grade Sunday school. Why interview this lightweight?
Before critizing, first, put before all of us here, your system, exposition. Reveal which books you study etc.
It's easy to critize others, we all have faults; and it's ever most difficult, to confront ourselves, and there's only one that can do it - overcoming our minds is a very difficult task, and few their be that do.
I think most people watching this channel have foremost a keen interest in science along with an appreciation of how science can inform theories that cannot be proven experimentally, both scientific and philosophical. But Moreland here is espousing what seems to be a very peculiar and very personal belief that is only vaguely informed by religious scripture. Scripture is neither science nor history, it is literature. You can believe it or not believe it but it's nothing but literature as far as providing any science behind the beliefs. And he comes off as completely bonkers, too. Hence, the criticism.
To see with the eye of faith, close the eye of logic. ( This kind of describes the new and upcoming general artificial intelligence. )
Methinks this man is going to be disillusioned.
I honestly don’t believe anything he just said. I guess we shall see or not see.
There are no real Gods
Only people that believe that Gods are real
It is sad to see an educated man believe in absurdities such as this.
Absolutely challatan. He not explains eternal proceedings instead shows baseless true. In other words it is rambling gibberich.
Eternal life sounds like hell
So you want Heaven ... to be just like life on Earth? lol.
Mummification would be a hoot