2:02 - I just realized a paragraph was cut from the edit. To help it make more sense this was meant to be included… “This means when compared to the Core i9-12900K, the 5800X3D is exceptionally good value, priced almost 30% lower and then you have the memory cost which is significantly less assuming you want to unlock the full potential of the Core i9 part. You can of course pair the 12900K with DDR4 memory”…. but at that point it still costs more than the 5800X3D and is now slower.
Top of the line gaming performance from Intel = 670 and 800. AMD = 450 and you can use old motherboards. Also as a reminder AMD just dropped the price on the 5950x down 200 bucks to 600. Each company only gets to shine in the light for a couple minutes lately so let's give AMD the crown and give proper credit where it's due. You guys keep up the outstanding work you do! Can't wait for the next video.
@@nunyabidniz I think its a great chip launched too late for 2 reasons 1.) too close to Zen4 and 2.) all AMD chips are quite a bit cheaper now. If the 5800x was still at around 380 to 400 the 450 would have been an awesome price the 5900x would have still been 100 more and the 5950x about 300more. It would have had a nice little section all to it self not so much now though.
@@shootinputin6332 I had to ban myself from playing it after I lost like 6 hours without noticing. I was just supposed to fix some issues with my metro...
Can't wait to spend 50% more to get 10% more extra performance over 5800x at 1440p while sacrificing all the extra cores I'd get with 5900x or 12700k at lower price, amazing offer.
"Very solid endgame cpu to wait for ddr5 maturity" just stay with your current cpu if you are waiting for ddr5 more useless product consumption means higher prices for smaller performance gains like the 5800x3d
Like 2 years ago I thought we slowly reach the physical limit (transistor size) of making processors any much faster but they always come up with new cool technologies to encounter this apparent limit, it always impresses me! Great video!
We've only been closing on physical limits from a size perspective (still room there left still took). There's a lot of creativity left to how these things communicate to each other, how they are scheduled, and how software is programed. So no worries there, more than a life time of improvement on Silicon semi conductors alone. Possible that in another life time we won't even be using sillicon anymore or semi connectors anymore
for silicon. The realistic limit for silicon transistor size is around 2nm(about 10 silicon atoms). Still some ways to go, but the required r&d budget will probably far outscale the gains. Of course the way you measure(Intel 14 nm process has transistors same size as TSMC 7nm) and round off your numbers can make you play a bit with the math as well.
What others said. Remember that last year IBM made a chip on 2nm manufacturing node, while 5nm is still pretty new, with 4nm and 3nm in the works. With optimisations and creativity, I think that silicon-based chips have at least 10 more years in them.
I also thought about how AMD and Intel will counter transistor size physical limit.AMD got SAM,3d Vcache, zen5 rumours about hybrid processor ,Faster DDR5 and above.Or just like monolithic design chips used in consoles like PS5 just like apple M1.
@@Dennzer1 "What do you mean "realistic limit"? where are you getting that 2 nm number?" First, I said around. Second, I literally explain myself in the next sentence...
To myself, the improvements in 1% lows is where the 5800x3d shines. I'm looking to build a system for my brother who is a die hard (and talented) dirt rally 2 sim racer, to him the stuttering at critical moments is the difference between a world record time and a major accident and ultimate frustration.
Dirt rally 2.0 runs 144fps without stutter even on Ryzen 2600.. So it's just a waste of money to use 5800x3D for that. 5700x much cheaper and will run it 240fps stable.
Throughout all the testing by different reviewers, no matter how they tested, the thing I noticed the most was the uplift in 1% lows. To me that makes this chip worthwhile since it's a GAMING rig. As you said and what I noticed is sometimes it's a very big increase and yes, smoother game play.
@@casedistorted Yeah that's too bad especially when almost 6 months ago you could already find it for $350 and now it's down to $320 and for a time was as low as $300. I bought one at launch but it came with Far Cry 6 with is a $60 USD game so even then it was really $390. I'm not complaining and got good use out of it so far but the gaming rigs that I plan to have for a few years with have the 3D part. I was able to get one day one, Amazon still had stock mid morning of release day. It's all gone now. Pretty much every retailer sold out on day one like I expected it would.
@@OneDollaBill Yeah, that's understandable. The low 1%/.1% is literally the lowest baseline. If say you have 170 fps but 60 1% lows and 30 .1% lows you're literally feeling the Lag/FPS/Stutter of it dropping to 30/60 FPS every moment.
@@danielmakhlin5129 I have a 3900xt with a 3090 and have 0 issues in games. I play at 4k or 5120*1440 and the CPU is not a bottleneck there. I don't play eSports titles, so CPU isn't a problem there. The next upgrade I may get will be probably be a second gen am5 chip. So 2 years
At 4k , barelly. Maybe in some you are gonna see 2-3fps more.the 5800x3d seems great for old singlethreaded games.I will probably buy it in a year or so second-hand
The fact that 1% lows have greater gains than the gain to average framerates proves that this really is removing a memory bottleneck. Upgrading my 3600 to this beast should mean I'm set for years to come. A great farewell to a legendary socket.
Holy hell, those 1 percent low improvements are absolutely insane. Memory/Latency is the most important factor in modern computing for gaming. Avg FPS doesn't matter almost at all for enjoyment/playability.
I must say I am genuinely impressed by this. I am playing wide variety of games from different genres and time periods and CPU bottleneck is very commonly a problem as a lot of those games are single threaded. Seeing such gains after so many years of almost complete stagnation really makes me happy. So many of those games are going to go from barely playable to reasonable with something like 7800X3D, at long last.
Hey Steve, as someone who enjoys sim racing titles a lot, I think you're the first I've seen that I watch regularly for tech reviews to include a game from the genre in your test collection, so love to hear you're adding ACC going forward! Shame setups other than 16:9 single monitor are too niche to test but I'll take what I can get!
I've been waiting for 21:9 benchmarks to be included since Tim made it public that he games at 21:9! I upgraded in 2020 as well and it's *SO* much more immersive! At the same time, I had to choose to support Rose (rozzi) on Patreon because I found out that some mods/trainers were necessary to fix the poor dev implementations at 21:9, and I noticed that Rose had created many of them. She's a true ultrawide hero, no sarcasm here.
the simple fact that you included starcraft 2 in your benchmark deserves a subscribe and a like ^^ i was kinda really impressed by the improvement in that game !!!! i guess i'll have to buy it, i wonder how big of an improvement it is from a 3900x (the one i have atm) ...
Kinda insane to see that for some titles the average frame rate for the 5800X was almost the same as the 1% lows for the 5800X3D, pretty impressive results.
@@tilapiadave3234 The 5800X was never "pathetic". Overpriced at launch, yes, but it sent both 10th gen and 11th gen reeling. It took Intel 12 months to surpass it with Alder Lake... and it took AMD 6 months to make up that ground in gaming with the X3D.
@@manmeh4r Yeah, the 12900KS is a big disappointment too. Right in line with the 6500XT and RTX 3050 at the beginning of the year, and the GTX 1630 and Intel Arc now... I really hope RDNA 3, Zen4, RL and Lovelace will make up for it!
Thanks for including UHD results in these tests, most people seem to consider UHD tests "boring" in CPU reviews, because in most situations you're GPU limited at that resolution. But there is still valuable info in those tests, in some games the CPU does matter, and without reviews like this it's impossible to know if the higher tier CPU will give any benefit to those gaming at 2160p resolutions or if the more expensive CPU is just a waste of money.
If there are ever situations you will chase frames over fidelity at 4k by turning down settings or upscaling, which is definitely conceivable for many users, then it's worth having a better CPU. Also, when the next gen GPUs release they are rumoured to double performance, which would put the issue right back on you CPU at 4k. Finally. VR Also requires both a very capable CPU and a very capable GPU. So those results should be interpreted carefully if making a buying decision from them. I agree it's still worth seeing the current 4k benches though.
Compare that to Nvidia who, through the introduction of DLSS 3.0, has convinced people that inserted completley fake garbage looking frames at a higher latency to the user is a good thing and something to pat them on the back for. Imagine spending money on a 4090 and using generated frames to pad out the FPS score.
Excited to see what AMD can do with this technology in the future. Would be also cool to see APUs using the 3D cache to compensate for the lack of physical space for it, which leaves them with half the cache than their X counterpart
@@AamirSiddiquiCR7 I would expect a very decent improvement considering how important the extra cache turned out to be for gaming. I think there's a lot of potential to be extracted here.
Built my recent desktop at the end of 2021. 5800x3d didn't exist. I went with the 5800x. 5900x or 5950x would have helped lower my video render time, but, the 5800x seemed like a good choice for me. And I am happy with it. With so little upgrade options now on AM4, I don't know if I'll bother getting another CPU. But this did for sure show the increase. I play at 1080x60, and I can max all games I play with my 3060ti (RT Off). The 5800x3d would give me maybe another year of newer games before going under that 60fps. But, by that time I'll just build a new system. The 3D chips do seem pretty awesome though. I'll wait until the 8000 or 9000 series AMD CPU's until I build new again.
I don't know how you find the time for all these benchmarks and then filming and cutting the video on top. Amazing work as always! I really want the 5800X3D, but I know my 3600 is still plenty capable. Tricky situation :D
Ryzen 1600 2600 3600 are all basically outdated I upgraded my 3612 5800x and got her performance gains over round 200 average FPS in all games I was getting around 120 FPS average all games medium settings and after I got the 5800x with the same component to my computer I started to get 320
For the same money of the "new" 3D 5800x you can have the 5900x, problem solved. Am5 and newer stuff are close so since the "basic" 5000series chips are at all time lows, why not save some Money for other parte of your build or have more cores for the same price?
You should see his other 40 games tested 5800x3d RUclips review where there is a list of 3000 overall very low at the bottom,, in some cases fps can be doubled just going to a 5000 CPU is a good jump in performance but the 5800x3d makes it like a significant upgrade from any 3000 cpu I would only recommend the 5900x now if it's for content creation
Yeh Im sitting with a 3600x paired with a rtx 3070 and I'm pretty tempted. I only game and have a 1440p monitor. I like the idea of this upgrade and being able to keep my current x570 board and memory. Rather save that money for GPU. I upgrade my GPU often and plan on getting a 4080 or equivalent from AMD when they release in the future. Considering the GPUs will get much faster I feel like this might be a good pairing.
Yeah I'll be picking this up to put the final upgrade into my aging B450 system. AMD has really nailed it with AM4, I can't wait to see what goodies AM5 is able to bring.
Just make sure your mobo gets BIOS support for the X3D, and to update the BIOS before swapping CPUs. (I know, basics of the basics, still information rarely hurts)
I'm not sure its worth it If I was upgrading my 6core I think I'd prefer 12cores than just faster gaming and that's assuming your using a 3090ti I doubt its noticeable on say a 3070 or similar.
@@mixit2413 Most viewers of this channel wouldn't have any use for those extra cores, and that 12 core CPU would be worse than this 8 core CPU at gaming. Plus, the CPUxGPU cost ratio always depends on your monitor's resolution and refresh rate. CPU barely matters if you're stuck at 60hz, but it's really important for smooth 120hz gameplay (And the 5800X3D really boosts 1% lows/framerate smoothness)
@@mixit2413 I've got a 6800 and a high refresh rate 3840×1200 (32:10) monitor, and a hankering for Hell Let Loose and Star Citizen, so massive CPU bottlenecks everywhere haha. I don't need the 5800X3D, it's purely a want.
@@zactron1997 it would be a want for me also but I have to rationalize things so it makes sense. I nearly bought a 5900x today but to make it's really useful I need at least 32 gb ram so Ive consigned my self for zen 4 next year
This is quite a good showing in accelerating lightly threaded workloads despite some performance regression in productivity apps. Given that this is the first iteration of this tech on desktop CPUs, I cannot wait to see how this would boost future generation of Zen CPUs when paired with higher core counts.
Great video! And the thought of just dropping in a new cpu on an older motherboard will get you close to the performance of the top tier most expensive chip is simply amazing.
AMD didn't exactly promise anything. They're still not the fastest gaming CPU, or even the best budget gaming CPU. Pick up a 12400 with an ASUS B660 board, overclock it to 5 ghz, watch it keep up with this thing for half the price.
@@1337Ox power consumption on 12th gen is on par with 5000 series Ryzen for every CPU except the 12900k, and the 12900k still comes in below a 5950x. The 12900k draws so much power because Intel removed the turboing limits. A 12400 overclocked to 5 ghz will draw about the same power as a 5600x. Go watch an actual video instead of Hardware Unboxed. Start with Debauer.
@@simplyscholar21 Well, all my numbers come from Gamers Nexus, where they measure directly from EPS rails. When both stock, 5600X compared to 12400, 5600X is about 15% more efficient. And when you push that 12400 to 5GHz the chip will ask for 120W, compared to 5600X 67W. This is my reference (other cpus included) - ruclips.net/video/hBFNoKUHjcg/видео.html
Yeah true but I mean, why would anyone actually give it a go with 5800x now? No one is considering buy that. It makes these vids look more like AMD marketing material or showing off a platform probably none of us are going to buy like z690 because we're already on AM4. So it's most helpful to us who're actually going to buy it and not just look at it from a marketing or technical standpoint to compare it to the older gen Ryzen processors we'd be upgrading from, and to how much it can stack up against a sustained turbo on 5900x or 5950x in gaming, which I do already know some games it doesn't by a wide margin thanks to its lower clocks. So this is *only* going to be helpful on cache hungry games, not productivity or gaming on clock hungry games...although Cities Skylines surprises me, so I wonder how it's even doing that?
@@pandemicneetbux2110 there still be plenty of people who will buy 5800x just for the price as a budget Pc , even I would recommend it to some of my friends who don’t want to spend a lot of money on Pc
@@taigoinu3928 Yeah but a "budget PC" isn't going to be spending that kind of money. $450 USD isn't a "budget" CPU though it is creeping up towards the high end, and considering AMD is marketing this as a "fastest gaming CPU" it's certainly being targeted towards that demographic anyway. Budget PC gamers are going to be going for (rather, already had) getting a 5600x. That's a great budget gaming CPU, though even that was a bit pricey on release. Budget gaming is more toward the $100-200 mark, with $300-400 being the more midrange end of the spectrum (like a 3700x/5700XT or 2070 super reference is midrange). Over $400 is where you start getting towards the high end. It's also just plainly an expensive CPU that's being touted as the final boss of AM4 when it comes to gaming.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 i know what your mean mate but 5800x is already priced at 339 at Amazon , to me like for many people 339 is a great price and still I believe the price will drop even more . In my ears 👂 it’s sounds like a music , just think about it 339 for a great 8 core cpu , if we go back in time like 4 a 5 years example Intel there was no 8 core cpu for that price , if we get lucky we could get 4 core without threads . Now I run i5 12600k jus for under 300 euro and it’s a monster cpu , It’s not exactly an budget CPU but I do not even think about to purchase an 6core or lower CPU those days . 8 core will become standard and we will forget about 6 core or less
Would you be able to compare new Ryzen with 3d cache to others from 5000 line up in several VR games? It seems like VR games benchmarks are never there. Especially 5900x/5950x/5800x3D would be appreciated.
As much as I was skeptical (despite being AMD fanboy 😉) whether AMD's claims of more cache being needed in games and delivering 15% more performance - it seems they were right. Obviously as you've shown cache in game matters, but I thought that since 32MB on Ryzen CPU's was already more than what you usually find on Intel CPU - that past 30 to 40 MB it won't matter. But I was wrong. Wow.
It definitely shows with the 5500 being a 5600G (and, by extension, a 5600H) with the integrated graphics disabled. Objectively, its performance may not be complete shit, but as a part with half of Vermeer's L3 cache and not even having usable integrated graphics (despite having the cores), it falls into this weird no-man's land.
@@sonicboy678 Yeah. But I wasn't expecting this behavior to scale so much above those numbers. After all most processors bought by most people (Intel) have like 20MB of cache in high end. So I expected there was some optimization done sort of thinking of those.
THANK YOU! For doing my SIM/VR focused titles. Please test Iracing/ACC/Flight Sim and DCS more especially in VR if you really want to stress test GOU’s/CPU’s
@@katech6020 😟. Holy smokes! I'm sorry. I certainly wasn't trying to brag or anything. Where are you, roughly? That's insanity! Heck, you could have someone here buy it for you, and ship it to you.
The video i've been waiting for since I got a 5800X. Not worth the "sidegrade" in my case. Now if I can upgrade my kid's 3600 to my 5800X and I pick up 5800X3D...
@@TrippyTakaGaming 5800X3D is a "sidegrade" because it is not faster in all other aspects. It is only faster in Gaming (or rather 1080p gaming). If you don't play competitive e-sport games or don't have an ultra-fast monitor, 5800X3D doesn't really help anything. 5800X3D is slower in real-world workloads, more expensive, and not overclockable.
@@pisachasrinuan7960 lol you are totally ignoring the review above yes it does help in plenty of 1440P titles and not just e-sports games. I said "for gaming" its a generational leap. like going from zen 2 to zen 3. If you game a lot like a do its a no brainer to sell your 5800X for 300 and just pay the 150 to have the fastest gaming processor out there.
@@TrippyTakaGaming Bro, I watched the review, "generational leap" is way too exaggregated. Even the reviewer didn't comfortably recommend it (12:53). He said, depends on games, how we play, and what we want. He said it's not a "bang for the buck" choice. It's more like, a premium for gaming (only). The general all-rounder CPUs are R7-5800X (or 5700X) and i7-12700K. Also, I wouldn't recommend anyone to sell their 5800X just to get 5800X3D
@@pisachasrinuan7960 im not gonna sit here and argue with you, i have been here every generation. He said in the comment below its exceptionally good value compared to the 12900k which HAD the best gaming performance, and yes that was a generational leap above the zen 3. OFC it's not the best bang for your buck, its for those who want the best gaming performance money can buy right now. Selling the 5800X while you can for 300 and getting the 5800X3D is a no brainer for those who game at high refresh rates in 1080, 1440p and wants something that drops in.. next zen cpu you will have to change motherboards, memory, etc. Take care.
I think for my usecase the 5800X3D would be the perfect fit. I play ACC a lot and especially at the start of a race my 5600X can't push enough frames to get more than 80-90fps with 50 cars big field. With the 5800X3D i probably would get over 100fps which would be perfect for a racing sim.
Exactly the video I needed today. My plan is to scoop up the 5800x3D from micro center and give my SO so my regular 5800x to replace her 3600. As someone that plans to skip next gen processors so they can work out the early adopter kinks as well as an e-sports player the 5800x3D sees like a good way to tie me over.
Great analysis! As a 5800x owner who mostly plays at 4k, it doesn't seem like much of a difference to me (even with the 1 percent lows). Better off waiting for Zen 4 or 5.
I know this is old, but what did you end up doing? My 5800X died and I'm trying to decide whether to replace it with a 5900X on sale for $299 or a 5800X3D on sale for $359. Mostly game with a splash of productivity stuff at 1440p with aa 3080
@@CargoShorts7 I am still with my 5900X since my other games like truck sims have been improved. 5000X3D is less needed to me. I will suggest 5700X3D if only for gaming. HU just released a video comparing 5700X3D and 5800X3D. You may watch it.
Huge thumbs-up for the Warzone tests, hardly anybody uses (properly) this game for benchmarking. Partly understandable, because it's a messy situation, but you did it, so that's proof of the fact that it can be done. Thanks again.
With GPU prices seeming to settle down a bit, I think I’ll be building my first rig here soon. This CPU seems like a good choice while waiting for the next generation to mature
Thank you for including MSFS again! One of the most interesting benchmarks imo. Edit: Just got to the MSFS part. Bummer MSFS doesnt work on your Intel system.
@@kanenas1727 AMD could stop being so greedy and just launch 3dv Cache zen4 from the getgo and not keep it back until they might feel the need to counter Intel and if not just bag it and never Release it
@@MrEditsCinema i dont know, i think zen4 will be plenty fast. recent Leaks showed a zen4 sample run at 1.5v vcore, which intolerable for 3dvcache on the 5800x3d.
Thank you for including ACC!! Really interesting case as the sim is so heavy on the physics calculations especially with a lot of AI cars. Incredible performance from the 5800x3d but I'll have to wait as with a 3070 running max settings on 1440p ultrawide, it's my GPU coming up short rather than my 5600x cpu. That said, I can hit 95 FPS so I don't strictly need any upgrade on either.
Im happy with my 5800x. New Chipsetdriver and Curve Optimizer and with CPU-Z Bench it´s similar to I9 11900K. I bought it before x3d was out but i think the performance is enough for couple of years.
This was the test i was waiting for! Thanks for the insane work Steve! Much appreciated! Clearly very good gains in a lot of titles. SC2 being one of the games i still play a lot and with custom maps the FPS is still lacking on a 5900X with PBO and memory tweaks boosting to 5000MHz. So it looks like i can get a bit better performance with the 5800X3D. Apex does not see a lot of gain but that game is running very well anyway. When the FPS is not hitting 144 on my 3440x1440 screen its a GPU limit. I wonder how X3D will perform with Mechwarrior Online. Also a game that still leans heavy on 2 cores. I do have some good expectations for that game with this CPU.
Running your DDR4 memory at 5000MHz on Zen 3/3D is likely significantly HURTING your performance, not helping it! Chiplet Zen (Zen 2 onwards) gains SIGNIFICANTLY more performance from locking the DRAM, IMC, & Infinity Fabric clocks all 1:1:1 than it does from pushing your DRAM clock as high as it'll possibly go! 🤷 Aka, you'll get much, MUCH better results by just running your DRAM at ≈3800-3866MHz w/ a 1:1 ≈1900-1933MHz "F-clock" (Infinity Fabric clock), as is the 1:1 silicon limit of most Zen 3 chips (although if your specific chip can hit ≈3933-4000MHz DRAM w/ a ≈1966-2000MHz F-clock, then by ALL MEANS DO IT!!!) with as absolutely LOW of manually tightened timings as you can manage!!!
This is quite a bit more than anticipated; thought about 5-10% improvement, maybe 20% in some cases, but this is about double that and cases with 30-50% improvement are wild! Especially considering it's same-generation and existing CPUs (Zen3, Zen2) already had fairly large L3 caches.
What I would really like to know, is what the 5800X3D would do for World of Warcraft, since it's on a similar engine to SC2 (From vague memory). WoW/FFXIV would be a nice/good inclusion to these kinda benchmarks I think.
I play only WoW. I have switched from 5800x to 5800x3D, paired woth 3070. In graphically heavy areas like Ardenweld or Bastion i didnt notice a big fps jump. My GPU was at almost 100% utilization. What i have noticed was less fps drops and studdering. Where i have notice a big difference was Dungeons and BGs. Higher and more stable fps. Game just feels more fluid with 5800x3d. I have posted few short videos on my channel. Go and check.
@@PanProkop I cannot understand how a bloody 14 yrs old game like SC2 has such stuttering even on todays most modern CPUs. Also blizzard should shame themselves, they were unable to re-write the engine for this game!
Happy with my current 5800X, but have to say this is impressive. I game mostly at 1440p and 4K, so the upgrade doesn't make as much sense, but man is it tempting. I don't do any production on my PC, as its exclusively for gaming, so that makes it even more tempting.
@@PandaPanda0512 I kept my 5800x and holding upgrading until i move to a different platform. Just dont' want to invest any more into the AM4 socket. I was close, but in the end I am still happy with the performance i get from the 5800x. Its a solid CPU, other than mine running a bit hot.
@@PandaPanda0512 If you are planning on staying on the platform you are on for another 3 years, then I would say upgrade to the 3d chip. If you plan on building on the AM5 or another more current setup in less than that then i would hold off.
I think I'll keep my 5800X since I play games in 4k where I'm gpu-bound anyway. That said, the 5800X3D looks very impressive. Can't wait to see what Raptor Lake and Zen 4 bring to the table.
@@GearheadK20C4 I mean, if both of them had been released at the time I built my PC, I would have gone with the X3D but it doesn't really matter anyway. The 5800X is plenty fast.
Yes I play between 1440p and mainly 4K. After seeing the benchmarks at 4K, the 5800x is probably the choice for me since I do not want to shell out the extra monies for the 3d. :D
Steve, you are a legend. I was literally about to buy one of these cpus when I saw your video, and you made it clear which one I should get. Many thanks.
@@MrSpBack Well, for my use case the 5800X is a better choice. At the time I was considering this, the X was going for $330 and X3D is $450, thats %26.6 price difference for %9 better at 1440p, and %1 better at 4K. Considering that I play at those resolutions, that money is better spent on a gpu. Also, my main reason to upgrade is because I use solidworks, which is a 1-2 thread program so the X has better single threaded performance not to mention OC performance if I need it. Now, the extra cache could prove to be beneficial for future games but since I needed the single thread performance, the X is better for me, if I were gaming only I'd probably go with X3D and keep it for as long as possible, minimum 5 years.
Thank you for including Asetto Corsa Competizione. Not many people include benchmarks for this game in detail and this helps me realize that a 3D cache cpu is almost required
Awesome as always some folks like me already have a 5000 series chip and see no need to upgrade for the very few games that benefit from the extra cache but if only 3000 chip lower than the 3600 then would be more than tempted
5800x3d review Hardware Unboxed: Tested more than a dozen games, pitted against different cpus from both Intel and AMD, ends it up with a comprehensive, scenario based conclusion Hardware Canucks: Tested 5 games. "Upgrade bait"..."Intel all the way baby!"
:D yeah i saw that too....those lazy hipsters did not want to go ALL IN to spent dozens of hours of their life to benchmark :D but its okay, i still love them for other reviews they do very good...and aslong as we have HWU the world can keep spinning.
HC use high res high quality settings. because people using 3090ti are using those settings. It is fair statement! But it does not show what CPU is fastest to the gaming in general. Because in reality 3600 or 12400 is the best option with 3090ti if you play 4k with ultra quality settings! The GPU is the bottle neck, so CPU is useless in anyway.
@@haukionkannel yeah basically the same argument even I used to push back in the day when we say the FX-8350 as being equal in performance with then 2700k right? "Use high res and max settings" So how did the FX-8350 faired against the 2700k a couple of years and gpu generations after? Even right before ryzen launch sandybridge users are still showing their cpus being capable enough with the FX already lagging behind way before That's the point of testing low res low settings on CPU. To show how the CPU will fair years after when faster gpus gets released. It should have been known to HC already the significance of that testing methodology. And the problem with testing only five games especially with the 5800x3d is not all games benefits from large caches. So having a small sample of size of games if they choose all games that would get no benefit from huge caches then of course they would come up with the conclusion that it shows no improvement over the the 5800x. They should have done at least all the games posted on AMD's marketing slide which is less than a dozen. To prove what Dmitri is trying to say which is "Intel all the way baby" lol
@@retrotechpinas3640 Heh! This will definitely be better option in the long run! This CPU has power to run next get flagships easily in the games... So yeah. HC talks only todays GPUs... But I think that many people who play, do like I do. Keep same CPU long time... Upgrade GPU many time... or at lead did do that before current GPU pricing...
Ram speed scaling benchmark would be very interesting, as a lot of people with ryzen 1000/2000 will upgrade to 5800X3D, but probably most of these people have 3000-3200MHz ram. In theory with a lot of cache it shouldn't matter that much; a benchmark confirming that would be very useful :)
ram speed schaling is very poor with 5800X3D, 1% going from ddr 4 3200 to 3800. RAM speed doenst matter at all with 5800X3D because of the L3 cache. So its the perfect cpu for upgraders sitting on an older ddr4 platform.
Thanks for the comprehensive update on higher resolutions. For the time being, I think the $220 upgrade from my 5600x might be better used elsewhere (3440x1440)
Yeah I don't think it's a worthwhile for most 5000 series owners, especially at higher resolutions. For older gens it's a great upgrade path to extend the life of the board.
Great Video. Seems a lot of work benchmarking all these games! In some games at 1080p the uplift is is just mindblowing besides the lower clock frequency. I really like this aproach to achieve better performance. Since I have a Ryzen 3700X i consider upgrading to the 5800X3D along with a next generation GPU so I can stick a bit longer to my mainboard.
Thank you guys for this extremely informative review. Now is the time for my system to get an upgrade, and you made it clear which CPU i should get. Im changing my ryzen 7 1700 to the 5800x3D , cant imagine what kind of a leap this will be until experienced. Thanks a ton!
I'll grab a 5800x3d as soon as possible, then upgrade to rdna3 and maybe once again with rdna4 (or whatever they'll call it). 2k @144hz for 5 o 6 years from now will make of my crosshair 6 hero the biggest value I've ever seen, doing very well since mid 2017
I have the 5800x since April21 and it's Amazing, now for the same money of the "new" 3D one you can have the 5900x. Why peoples wanna buy less cores when the next cpus coming will make everything that came before them instantly obsolete? 🤣 My 5800x air cooled with a DarkRockPro4 undervolted with pbo (stock cores clocks, only -13 curve optimizer) does 15928pts (MultiT) and 1602pts (SingleT), and i match the 10850k in CPUz. My RAM sticks are 2x8gb-DDR4-cl16@3600mhz (crucial ballistix) in dual channel so if you have something faster you beat my scores easly (expecially with water cooling and seriuous overclocking). Any 5900x or 5800x tweaked to their sweet spots will do just fine anyways... I don't think you need the _3Dcache(grab)_ but your build your money your decisions, peace out;)
Great video! Would be interested to see how memory speed (MHz and CAS latency) impact 5800X3D performance given the extra L3 cache in comparison to "normal" Ryzen CPUs where memory speed is very influential.
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I wonder how would a 5800x3d perform against a 5800x and 5900x in gaming + streaming setups. Will that massive cache help? Or will it be hindered by slower clocks.
I'd guess more cache would be a far bigger plus over clock speed here. Assuming you have enough cores that it doesn't run on the same ones as the game, encoding and streaming video on different cores shouldn't care for clock speed all that much, and not interfere with the game by doing computations. But he CPU is shoveling a lot of data around for video encoding. A CPU with less cache should run out of space on it sooner and drop more cached data, thus need more memory accesses to get it back, the more data hungry processes you have running in parallel. That could impact gaming performance. So my bet would be that especially for a lot of multi tasking with data heavy tasks, this CPU should shine.
@@Hugh_I what i wanna know is how would ingame fps get effected by gaming + streaming. lets say we can stream 1080p60 on medium encoding speed at 6k bitrate in 5800x but we lose 20% ingame fps loss (which can happen), in the same setup, how would a 5800x3d handle the situation? also would it be better to get a 5900x or 5800x3d to stream + game at the same time.
@@OzMuGu yeah my guess would be the 5800x3d would do best. But I'm just assuming here that the cache helps, which might not be much at all or may be trumped by having 12 cores in some very CPU intensive games. Only benchmarks can really answer that properly. Fingers crossed Steve reads your question :)
I have a 5800X paired with a 3060 Ti and game on a 2k. 5800X is more than enough for my needs along with the present card I have. Granted the newer cpu variant will get higher framerates but I won't be changing out my 5800X for a while yet. Can't think of a better time to buy a 5800X though now that the price has dropped, since I purchased mine at least. Its a great value processor👍
Bought my 5800x about 4 months ago at Micro Center for $300. If there's no Micro Center near you, a 5700x is the way to go then @ 65w. I run my 5800x in ECO-Mode for efficeincy / heat output which is the same as having a 5700x/5800-OEM really. If I decide to get a better cooler I might turn off ECO-Mode for the slightly higher power gains, but combined with my 3080ti, this level of cpu already does a nice job as is, while saving $150 over the 3d variant imo.
Informative vid, thanks Steve and team! I thought I wanted the 3D version, but looking at the 4K results - think I'll be just as happy with the 5700X from the OC 3600... and NZ cant get these until July, at almost USD $500! Nope.
A big thank you for including MSFS 2020 since I'm looking at upgrading my rig from 5700XT / 3600. Also very interesting to hear about the infinite loop problem with some(?) Intel processors, that cuts down the options for me...
If you already have an AM4 board the 5800X3D is a no-brainer. You're literally AMD's target audience for this product. You need to spend $580 on a 12900K + $500 on a DDR5 6400CL32 kit to get this level of performance... THEN comes the motherboard. But you can get a 5800X3D and plop it in for $450. LGA 1700 is only getting Raptor Lake, then it's a dead end too... So you're looking at a massive price advantage with AMD to put towards a GPU instead (and you're going to need it if you want the 5800X3D to get a chance to flex).
I have a normal 5800x with a 4.9 GHz boost and an RTX 3080 10 GB. I play at 1440p usually maxed out settings and aim for 75 to 120 FPS as my preferred range. I doubt this new processor will give me any noticeable improvements I think I'm just going to stick with what I have thanks so much for the review!!;!!
@@Dennzer1 but serious question: what if I upgraded my current RX 570 to a more powerful GPU while keeping the same APU, will I be able to play on 1440p/4k maxed out at 60fps?
@@Dennzer1 maybe but I don't have a 3090 TI like in the video just a standard 3080 10bg the margins would be much lower for me and doubly so since I crank my settings. I would imagine the margins for me would be similar to the 4K results here in the hardware unboxed video even though I'm playing at 1440p. What I see games sure but significant ones? I doubt it.
@@Dennzer1 haha I know my question is quite unusual but that's the thing: I'm gonna save money to buy either a PS5 (I am kinda torn on that, I prefer gaming on PC but consoles have some pros over PC's) or a new GPU. I dont have a 4k display but I wanna buy a 27in 1440p display, and I've heard that at higher resolutions, the GPU handles most of the work, that's why I was wondering if simply upgrading my GPU would allow me to run games at QHD resolution just fine :) The ideal would be to upgrade the entire system but I'm kinda broken lol so my priority is the GPU (or a PS5 like I said), then I can upgrade the CPU/mobo later. I also need more RAM, I have only 8Gb of RAM (not VRAM) and need at least 16Gb (plus a new PC case). A RX 6600 (XT) would indeed be a nice upgrade but sadly I'm gonna have to go green team next since games are more optimized for it (take God of War for example, it is a mess on Radeon cards and still hasnt been fixed), Nvidia is generally better for DX11 games and also, OpenGL... I like to emulate games and sadly Radeon OpenGL drivers suck on Windows (and I dont wanna mess with Linux ever again).
@@Dennzer1 I tried searching for videos that test gaming in these conditions and resolution but it's hard to come by, and when I do they're often running the games on full HD. I love PC gaming (this is my first gaming PC after playing on PS3 and PS4), but it's clear that it comes with a hefty price and I should probably settle with consoles :( (at least they're able to run most games on 60fps, which is one of the main things that pushed me to migrate to PC)
06:11 I would love to see more "competitive" setting benchmark for us sweaty wraiths because let's face it, not many people play Apex on ultra high settings.
Apex is one of those few games that actually look worse on ultra settings. Also, Respawn's TSAA implementation looks hideous making everything look like it was covered in vaseline. I'd much rather have the option to enable 2x to 4x MSAA with some "light" SMAA or FXAA sprinkled in.
@@Jarmundx I run at max settings, because I have a 3090 and play at 1440p, and can keep my framerates pegged on my 144hz monitor. To 'fix' the AA blurriness I enable some sharpening in the Nvidia drivers (works on Radeon as well), and it looks fantastic. I do agree that they need to give us some better AA options though.
I'm happy that the 5800x3d is usable on an am4 platform, let's say 3 years from now I will be able to upgrade from my 5600x to the 5800x3d for a (hopefully) small price and I'll be very happy to gain both the core boost and performance boost, moreso than from just a regular 5800x!
And why should you even switch? A 5600X is around 3% slower in gaming compared to a 5950X and around 15% to a 5800x3D on average, so you will not notice 2 much difference except for a few titles in future...the 5600X is a beast for gaming and still in the worlds fastest dozen
@@sgredsch Untrue, I still see dozens of 1700x/2700x'es on sale for example, I think this one will be around for a long time because AMD seems to be going the route of releasing CPUs once every 1.5-2 years instead of every year if they follow the ryzen 5000 series example, and I support this as it gives hardware more longevity.
@@Reknilador they aren't planning on manufacturing many. That's why they only released one version that's got 3D VCache. It's a place holder until AM5 releases. So you won't see many on the 2nd hand market and those that are will retain their value. AM5 will likely make it less cost effective as an upgrade path.
@@BlueMax109 DEMMIT. Ahh I dont feel like wasting more cash on it i dont even have a GPU strong enough to use its power hah, still on a 1070 and waiting for these prices to drop, though thanks for giving me a heads up, didn't think about it that way.
Just bought my 5800X at Micro Center for $215 after taxes a few weeks ago. I didn't want to spend the extra $150 on the 5800X3D because I plan on upgrading to another build with AM5 and needed a small jump from my 3800X which I bought used from Micro Center for $199 shortly after release. When researching I was concerned about thermals since people states that it gets too hot, it's all depending on how thermally constrained you are so it's subjective to me. I got it paired up with my Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black with a (1x140mm and 2x120mm) PWM Noctua Chromax fans. Had to ditch the other 140mm fan and add it as a rear exhaust fan for my case. I did this so the CPU gets more heat out of the case some I don't see techtubers do when installing air coolers. I live in the Midwest and can use a $60 decent window fan to clean my bedroom/setup and it helps a lot even in the summer. So when my room gets hot I can set the fan to exhaust air out the room which helps especially in the summer. I have the 5800x OCd to 4.75GHZ at 1.2V Max. it idles at 35C and the max is 75C ( Cinebench at 100%) which is not often since the CPU has more than enough headroom for gaming/editing. When gaming it gets to 59C after playing Cyberpunk 2077 for 12hrs straight. It OCs, cools and runs more efficiently than my 3800x at 4.4GHZ @1.325V. And the POST is much snappier and more fluid on Ryzen 5000.
I bet everyone that the PS5 Pro will use this exact 3D stacking architecture in it. The power draw, clock speed, instruction speed and cache size is console ready.
There will be no PS5 Pro, the consoles were made to last the length of the generation. Putting in such a substantially faster architecture in a mid gen refresh, IMO of course, would be a misstep. What they need to do, and Microsoft as well, is limit this generation to 5-6 years like they should be, then release MUCH faster consoles in late 2026. By that time, they should be on the next, next architectures for CPU/GPU.
@@haukionkannel because it's Zen architecture it would be easier and more future compatible to switch from one to the other seamlessly. From Zen 2 to 3 would actually be more beneficial to game devs and it would also make game development far more dev friendly. Sony was the company to always do a power gap innovation in the past it's just Microsoft completely blindsided them with their own console specs. Remember the PS3 was technically far more powerful than the Xbox 360 and then the PS4 came out to be more powerful than the Xbox one. Shortly after the Xbox one s and PS4 pro came out and once again, PlayStation had a vast power advantage. The thing is, Sony never and I mean never saw the Xbox One X coming the way it did. Once Xbox gained the power advantage Sony "thought" that they would take the lead back with the PS5. Sony probably thought that the new Xbox would at most have 8-9Tflops and 32 compute units. Once again they were proven wrong when the Series X specs were announced and that doesn't sit well with Sony. That's why this time they are going to go above and beyond to make sure they have the technology and horsepower throne back. They won't be blindsided by Microsoft anymore and I know this because they want to make sure they push VR in the upcoming future. VR takes a great deal of graphics power to run at a stable 1440 120fps. I am almost certain that PlayStation consoles will be more powerful towards mid-gen refresh in 2023-2024.
I picked up a 5900X for 360 dollars. I didn't feel the drive to purchase the 5800X3D for 450 for ~5% more frames. But it is awesome to see how amazing the extra cache once again makes AMD the king of gaming CPUs
In gaming... it is same as 5800x... a tiny bit better. Just look any 5800x vs 5900x tests that are there already! In productivity 5900x kills 5800x3d hands down... In gaming it will lose about the same as 5800x does. one or two percent less in some games.
@@MrSpBack Interesting because I am not talking about the temperature at all :) Yes 5900x has lower temperature. We agree on it easily. So what is that you actually mean to say?
Thank you so much for getting this out prior to launch. It has helped me massively. I’ve just ordered it in the uk from scan and hopefully it will come tomorrow. Going to pair it with a 3090FE I got just after launch. It was the Warzone benchmark that swung it for me. I’m not expecting quite the same gains as I game on an ultrawide, but I have every intention of getting a 4080 or better as soon as I can after launch. I have a use for my existing 5800x hence the purchase now rather than waiting.
Same as you man, only difference is that I currently have a 6900xt, but my case is exactly the same as yours, I have a 5800x and I play at 3440x1440p ultrawide. I’m pretty convinced to buy the 5800x3d and I will sell the 5800x to a friend of mine who needs it. Going to stay that way until end of the year, then I will switch to a 4080 or a 7900xt, keep the 5800x3d for some months more and then switch cpu, mobo and ram in the first half of 2023
ACC gains.... Oh WOW! As a Sim-racer one knows that these titles are CPU-intensive but that difference was outstanding. Looks like a non-brainer upgrade for me since sometimes I get FPS drops below 144fps (my refresh rate) even when GPU is at around 80~. Thanks for this benchmark round!
What would help with making a decision would be comparing different GPUs with these 2 CPUs to see where in the spectrum you'd need to sit for it to be worthwhile to go for the 5800X3D :)
Would you consider adding some method of presenting frametimes / frametime graphs for some games in the future for CPU reviews? It seems like that’s where some of the largest improvements would come from with a CPU like this and tends to be the most important factor for the player experience.
Today I ordered my 5800X3D as a last upgrade for the next 3-4 years for my old 3600 which still runs good! It`s so interesting to look back in time when a CPU was still more or less useless after 2 years, e.g from a Pentium 2 with 350MHz to a Pentium III with 500MHz. Today a 3600 (without X!) is still enough for playing many games and if that isn`t enough, you clock it at 4,2GHz and that`s it. Amazing!
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@@tilapiadave3234 not true. no doubt the 5900x is really great for both gaming and productivity and isn't too expensive, but for people who only play games on high refresh-rate screens and already have a system with a 400 or 500 series chipset with an older zen cpu - the upgrade to 5800x3d is worth it
wait, I have to correct my answer, 0,0001% of world population are 8000 people and that number is probably very close to how many people will end up buying the 5800x3d
@@tilapiadave3234 that's a heavy exaggeration. and it depends on the games you play. in some games the improvement is 30% over 5800x as hardware-unboxed have shown (+15% average)
Id imagine the vcache will only help games that dont scale well across cores due to shared memory or poor locking. So how is the dwarf fortress performance??
Actually it's non-sequential RAM access patterns which exceed L3 that benefit most from larger Vcaches. Having more idle cores doesn't help mitigate memory stalls one bit, you already have SMT threads that can process while a thread is stalled on RAM. Some games won't benefit because the CPU can pre-fetch memory into cache before it's needed. Sometimes helper SMT threads running on the same core, explicitly pre-fetch memory into cache to avoid stalls, but games aren't ported to PC with much care about hardware specifics.
2:02 - I just realized a paragraph was cut from the edit. To help it make more sense this was meant to be included…
“This means when compared to the Core i9-12900K, the 5800X3D is exceptionally good value, priced almost 30% lower and then you have the memory cost which is significantly less assuming you want to unlock the full potential of the Core i9 part. You can of course pair the 12900K with DDR4 memory”…. but at that point it still costs more than the 5800X3D and is now slower.
Could you add War Thunder to this charts? 😅😅
@@adi6293 War Thunder is there, check the average list at 10:51
Top of the line gaming performance from Intel = 670 and 800. AMD = 450 and you can use old motherboards. Also as a reminder AMD just dropped the price on the 5950x down 200 bucks to 600. Each company only gets to shine in the light for a couple minutes lately so let's give AMD the crown and give proper credit where it's due. You guys keep up the outstanding work you do! Can't wait for the next video.
@@nunyabidniz I think its a great chip launched too late for 2 reasons 1.) too close to Zen4 and 2.) all AMD chips are quite a bit cheaper now. If the 5800x was still at around 380 to 400 the 450 would have been an awesome price the 5900x would have still been 100 more and the 5950x about 300more. It would have had a nice little section all to it self not so much now though.
Steve I know this is a lot but could you do it on a mid range GPU like a 3060 or 6600/6600xt :)
I really appreciate that you include games like Cities Skyline. Those poorly optimized games need this extra performance the most.
Especially when you have a town like me with nearly 300k inhabitants lol
Lol that good o Clausewitz engine though...
Cities: Skylines is such a great game. Over 6 years of joy and watching my cities go to shite.
@@shootinputin6332 I had to ban myself from playing it after I lost like 6 hours without noticing. I was just supposed to fix some issues with my metro...
My population is at 250k and I'm only getting 20-30 fps on my 5600G.
The upgrade paths with AM4 are simply amazing. This is a very solid endgame CPU to wait for DDR5 maturity.
Can't wait to spend 50% more to get 10% more extra performance over 5800x at 1440p while sacrificing all the extra cores I'd get with 5900x or 12700k at lower price, amazing offer.
@@Piterixos Intcel cope.
"Very solid endgame cpu to wait for ddr5 maturity" just stay with your current cpu if you are waiting for ddr5 more useless product consumption means higher prices for smaller performance gains like the 5800x3d
@@Piterixos He's saying if you have an AM4 board and early model Ryzens.
@@CaptainKenway am i the only one who sees the 5900x in his comment?
Like 2 years ago I thought we slowly reach the physical limit (transistor size) of making processors any much faster but they always come up with new cool technologies to encounter this apparent limit, it always impresses me!
Great video!
We've only been closing on physical limits from a size perspective (still room there left still took). There's a lot of creativity left to how these things communicate to each other, how they are scheduled, and how software is programed.
So no worries there, more than a life time of improvement on Silicon semi conductors alone. Possible that in another life time we won't even be using sillicon anymore or semi connectors anymore
for silicon. The realistic limit for silicon transistor size is around 2nm(about 10 silicon atoms). Still some ways to go, but the required r&d budget will probably far outscale the gains. Of course the way you measure(Intel 14 nm process has transistors same size as TSMC 7nm) and round off your numbers can make you play a bit with the math as well.
What others said. Remember that last year IBM made a chip on 2nm manufacturing node, while 5nm is still pretty new, with 4nm and 3nm in the works. With optimisations and creativity, I think that silicon-based chips have at least 10 more years in them.
I also thought about how AMD and Intel will counter transistor size physical limit.AMD got SAM,3d Vcache, zen5 rumours about hybrid processor ,Faster DDR5 and above.Or just like monolithic design chips used in consoles like PS5 just like apple M1.
@@Dennzer1 "What do you mean "realistic limit"? where are you getting that 2 nm number?"
First, I said around. Second, I literally explain myself in the next sentence...
To myself, the improvements in 1% lows is where the 5800x3d shines. I'm looking to build a system for my brother who is a die hard (and talented) dirt rally 2 sim racer, to him the stuttering at critical moments is the difference between a world record time and a major accident and ultimate frustration.
Spot on
It's why i'm upgrading from a 3700x; i'm satisfied with perf on the CPU but the 1% lows are quite bad in games like Battlefield 1/V
Make sure to also buy a 3090ti
@@standarsh8056 or rather the cheaper 6900xt if you 1080p gamer
@Arush Shukla Both of those gpus are too power hungry.
Dirt rally 2.0 runs 144fps without stutter even on Ryzen 2600..
So it's just a waste of money to use 5800x3D for that.
5700x much cheaper and will run it 240fps stable.
Throughout all the testing by different reviewers, no matter how they tested, the thing I noticed the most was the uplift in 1% lows. To me that makes this chip worthwhile since it's a GAMING rig. As you said and what I noticed is sometimes it's a very big increase and yes, smoother game play.
Tbh you notice the low fps stutter drops more easily than the avg fps changing like 20-30fps down or up.
yeah too bad i already bought a 5800x for $400 about 6 months ago.
Im at that point where I dont even look at avg fps much. Im always looking at minimums now. Especially for VR 🤢
@@casedistorted Yeah that's too bad especially when almost 6 months ago you could already find it for $350 and now it's down to $320 and for a time was as low as $300. I bought one at launch but it came with Far Cry 6 with is a $60 USD game so even then it was really $390. I'm not complaining and got good use out of it so far but the gaming rigs that I plan to have for a few years with have the 3D part. I was able to get one day one, Amazon still had stock mid morning of release day. It's all gone now. Pretty much every retailer sold out on day one like I expected it would.
@@OneDollaBill Yeah, that's understandable. The low 1%/.1% is literally the lowest baseline. If say you have 170 fps but 60 1% lows and 30 .1% lows you're literally feeling the Lag/FPS/Stutter of it dropping to 30/60 FPS every moment.
It's always nice to see how much cpu actually matters at higher resolutions. Great work guys.
…or not. I really dont see a valid reason to upgrade my 3700x. Got a 6900xt and play mostly singleplayer games @4K. Great video as always
@@BOT_Calvin that 3700x is definitely a bottleneck.
@@danielmakhlin5129 lop no it isn't.
@@danielmakhlin5129 I have a 3900xt with a 3090 and have 0 issues in games. I play at 4k or 5120*1440 and the CPU is not a bottleneck there. I don't play eSports titles, so CPU isn't a problem there.
The next upgrade I may get will be probably be a second gen am5 chip. So 2 years
At 4k , barelly. Maybe in some you are gonna see 2-3fps more.the 5800x3d seems great for old singlethreaded games.I will probably buy it in a year or so second-hand
The fact that 1% lows have greater gains than the gain to average framerates proves that this really is removing a memory bottleneck.
Upgrading my 3600 to this beast should mean I'm set for years to come. A great farewell to a legendary socket.
Keep your 3600, it's still a perfectly fine cpu.
That's a great way to put it!
I won't upgrade my 5600x, but if I'd been able to wait the x3D would definitely be interesting.
@@Orcawhale1 It is! That's why I'm giving it to my younger sister for her first desktop build. An upgrade from a 6th-gen i5, for sure.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Not really.
It's more of a side grade, tbh.
@@Orcawhale1 6th gen i5 only has 4 cores and no hyperthreading, with modern games 3600 is definitely going to be an upgrade.
Getting one of these 5800X3D's today. You guys have really sold it to me.
Where are they available in the UK? I can't find any.
@@iiNNeX should be available in the next hour or so
Get one for me to B4B 😄 Cant wait to see what u do with it brother.
Do you have a 3090ti to go with it?
@@iiNNeX Sold out on Overclockers but Scan still lists them in stock.
Holy hell, those 1 percent low improvements are absolutely insane. Memory/Latency is the most important factor in modern computing for gaming. Avg FPS doesn't matter almost at all for enjoyment/playability.
I wish they had shown the 1% low with the 41 game average graphs. :(
I must say I am genuinely impressed by this. I am playing wide variety of games from different genres and time periods and CPU bottleneck is very commonly a problem as a lot of those games are single threaded. Seeing such gains after so many years of almost complete stagnation really makes me happy. So many of those games are going to go from barely playable to reasonable with something like 7800X3D, at long last.
Absolutely love your 40-game comparison videos. Kudos for all the hard work, Steve.
Hey Steve, as someone who enjoys sim racing titles a lot, I think you're the first I've seen that I watch regularly for tech reviews to include a game from the genre in your test collection, so love to hear you're adding ACC going forward!
Shame setups other than 16:9 single monitor are too niche to test but I'll take what I can get!
Yep, I'd love to see some triple monitor and VR tests. Dan Suzuki does some of these tests from time to time.
I've been waiting for 21:9 benchmarks to be included since Tim made it public that he games at 21:9! I upgraded in 2020 as well and it's *SO* much more immersive! At the same time, I had to choose to support Rose (rozzi) on Patreon because I found out that some mods/trainers were necessary to fix the poor dev implementations at 21:9, and I noticed that Rose had created many of them. She's a true ultrawide hero, no sarcasm here.
the simple fact that you included starcraft 2 in your benchmark deserves a subscribe and a like ^^ i was kinda really impressed by the improvement in that game !!!! i guess i'll have to buy it, i wonder how big of an improvement it is from a 3900x (the one i have atm) ...
It was a massive jump huh. I nearly sh*t myself 😂
Kinda insane to see that for some titles the average frame rate for the 5800X was almost the same as the 1% lows for the 5800X3D, pretty impressive results.
@@tilapiadave3234 The 5800X was never "pathetic". Overpriced at launch, yes, but it sent both 10th gen and 11th gen reeling. It took Intel 12 months to surpass it with Alder Lake... and it took AMD 6 months to make up that ground in gaming with the X3D.
@@tilapiadave3234 it's such a hot cpu smh
@@tilapiadave3234 What's your first favourite hobby, overly extensive, unnecessary and illogical use of punctuation marks?
The 5800X3D is very impressive, indeed!
Quite a contrast to the many very disappointing hardware releases we have already seen this year.
cough cough 12900ks
@@manmeh4r Yeah, the 12900KS is a big disappointment too. Right in line with the 6500XT and RTX 3050 at the beginning of the year, and the GTX 1630 and Intel Arc now...
I really hope RDNA 3, Zen4, RL and Lovelace will make up for it!
@@nipa5961 me too bro
Thanks for including UHD results in these tests, most people seem to consider UHD tests "boring" in CPU reviews, because in most situations you're GPU limited at that resolution. But there is still valuable info in those tests, in some games the CPU does matter, and without reviews like this it's impossible to know if the higher tier CPU will give any benefit to those gaming at 2160p resolutions or if the more expensive CPU is just a waste of money.
If there are ever situations you will chase frames over fidelity at 4k by turning down settings or upscaling, which is definitely conceivable for many users, then it's worth having a better CPU. Also, when the next gen GPUs release they are rumoured to double performance, which would put the issue right back on you CPU at 4k. Finally. VR Also requires both a very capable CPU and a very capable GPU. So those results should be interpreted carefully if making a buying decision from them. I agree it's still worth seeing the current 4k benches though.
The performance gains touted by AMD is really very close to the actual results, compared to some others...
You mean they are higher?
Yeah, AMD has been very honest with their performance claims for past few years.
Independent reviewers and competition from Intel are keeping them honest. Keep it up, HUB!
Yeah as expected for my case, AMD is most trustworthy from the 3 companies in these questions
Compare that to Nvidia who, through the introduction of DLSS 3.0, has convinced people that inserted completley fake garbage looking frames at a higher latency to the user is a good thing and something to pat them on the back for. Imagine spending money on a 4090 and using generated frames to pad out the FPS score.
Excited to see what AMD can do with this technology in the future. Would be also cool to see APUs using the 3D cache to compensate for the lack of physical space for it, which leaves them with half the cache than their X counterpart
How much performance improvement do you think 3D cache will give to APUs
@@AamirSiddiquiCR7 I would expect a very decent improvement considering how important the extra cache turned out to be for gaming. I think there's a lot of potential to be extracted here.
zen4 comes without 3dv cache
@@sgredsch Their early models. Later ones do.
The problem is the price uplift that 3d cache would put on APU... Most likely it would cause an APU that would not sell...
Built my recent desktop at the end of 2021. 5800x3d didn't exist. I went with the 5800x. 5900x or 5950x would have helped lower my video render time, but, the 5800x seemed like a good choice for me. And I am happy with it. With so little upgrade options now on AM4, I don't know if I'll bother getting another CPU. But this did for sure show the increase. I play at 1080x60, and I can max all games I play with my 3060ti (RT Off). The 5800x3d would give me maybe another year of newer games before going under that 60fps. But, by that time I'll just build a new system. The 3D chips do seem pretty awesome though. I'll wait until the 8000 or 9000 series AMD CPU's until I build new again.
The 5800x3d has never been priced well so you didnt miss out on anything. The 5900x atleast right now is $60 USD cheaper and faster than the 5800x3d
Thank you for including a variety of strategy games among your tested games. It's all I ever look for!
I don't know how you find the time for all these benchmarks and then filming and cutting the video on top. Amazing work as always! I really want the 5800X3D, but I know my 3600 is still plenty capable. Tricky situation :D
He probably cloned himself a couple dozen times. Only way it makes sense.
Ryzen 1600 2600 3600 are all basically outdated
I upgraded my 3612 5800x and got her performance gains over round 200 average FPS in all games I was getting around 120 FPS average all games medium settings and after I got the 5800x with the same component to my computer I started to get 320
For the same money of the "new" 3D 5800x you can have the 5900x, problem solved. Am5 and newer stuff are close so since the "basic" 5000series chips are at all time lows, why not save some Money for other parte of your build or have more cores for the same price?
You should see his other 40 games tested 5800x3d RUclips review where there is a list of 3000 overall very low at the bottom,, in some cases fps can be doubled
just going to a 5000 CPU is a good jump in performance but the 5800x3d makes it like a significant upgrade from any 3000 cpu
I would only recommend the 5900x now if it's for content creation
Yeh Im sitting with a 3600x paired with a rtx 3070 and I'm pretty tempted.
I only game and have a 1440p monitor. I like the idea of this upgrade and being able to keep my current x570 board and memory. Rather save that money for GPU.
I upgrade my GPU often and plan on getting a 4080 or equivalent from AMD when they release in the future.
Considering the GPUs will get much faster I feel like this might be a good pairing.
Yeah I'll be picking this up to put the final upgrade into my aging B450 system. AMD has really nailed it with AM4, I can't wait to see what goodies AM5 is able to bring.
Just make sure your mobo gets BIOS support for the X3D, and to update the BIOS before swapping CPUs. (I know, basics of the basics, still information rarely hurts)
I'm not sure its worth it If I was upgrading my 6core I think I'd prefer 12cores than just faster gaming and that's assuming your using a 3090ti I doubt its noticeable on say a 3070 or similar.
@@mixit2413 Most viewers of this channel wouldn't have any use for those extra cores, and that 12 core CPU would be worse than this 8 core CPU at gaming.
Plus, the CPUxGPU cost ratio always depends on your monitor's resolution and refresh rate. CPU barely matters if you're stuck at 60hz, but it's really important for smooth 120hz gameplay (And the 5800X3D really boosts 1% lows/framerate smoothness)
@@mixit2413 I've got a 6800 and a high refresh rate 3840×1200 (32:10) monitor, and a hankering for Hell Let Loose and Star Citizen, so massive CPU bottlenecks everywhere haha.
I don't need the 5800X3D, it's purely a want.
@@zactron1997 it would be a want for me also but I have to rationalize things so it makes sense. I nearly bought a 5900x today but to make it's really useful I need at least 32 gb ram so Ive consigned my self for zen 4 next year
This is quite a good showing in accelerating lightly threaded workloads despite some performance regression in productivity apps. Given that this is the first iteration of this tech on desktop CPUs, I cannot wait to see how this would boost future generation of Zen CPUs when paired with higher core counts.
Yup, higher clocks, increased L1 cache, DDR5 etc.. AMD is in a good position for AM5
@@Hirnlego999 The first range of AM5 CPUs will not have extra cache.
Great video! And the thought of just dropping in a new cpu on an older motherboard will get you close to the performance of the top tier most expensive chip is simply amazing.
ayyy love seeing apex in these benchmarks 😍
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So... Once again what AMD promised, AMD fullfil it.
AMD didn't exactly promise anything. They're still not the fastest gaming CPU, or even the best budget gaming CPU. Pick up a 12400 with an ASUS B660 board, overclock it to 5 ghz, watch it keep up with this thing for half the price.
@@simplyscholar21 you forgot to mention that the power comsumption will be two times higher though :D
@@1337Ox power consumption on 12th gen is on par with 5000 series Ryzen for every CPU except the 12900k, and the 12900k still comes in below a 5950x. The 12900k draws so much power because Intel removed the turboing limits. A 12400 overclocked to 5 ghz will draw about the same power as a 5600x. Go watch an actual video instead of Hardware Unboxed. Start with Debauer.
@@simplyscholar21 Well, all my numbers come from Gamers Nexus, where they measure directly from EPS rails. When both stock, 5600X compared to 12400, 5600X is about 15% more efficient. And when you push that 12400 to 5GHz the chip will ask for 120W, compared to 5600X 67W. This is my reference (other cpus included) - ruclips.net/video/hBFNoKUHjcg/видео.html
@@1337Ox 12400 is miles faster than 5600x.
I must say , I’m very impressed with 5800x3d , I was a bit sceptic before release but after seeing the lows and highs compared to 5800x wow 🤩
Yeah true but I mean, why would anyone actually give it a go with 5800x now? No one is considering buy that. It makes these vids look more like AMD marketing material or showing off a platform probably none of us are going to buy like z690 because we're already on AM4. So it's most helpful to us who're actually going to buy it and not just look at it from a marketing or technical standpoint to compare it to the older gen Ryzen processors we'd be upgrading from, and to how much it can stack up against a sustained turbo on 5900x or 5950x in gaming, which I do already know some games it doesn't by a wide margin thanks to its lower clocks. So this is *only* going to be helpful on cache hungry games, not productivity or gaming on clock hungry games...although Cities Skylines surprises me, so I wonder how it's even doing that?
@@pandemicneetbux2110 there still be plenty of people who will buy 5800x just for the price as a budget Pc , even I would recommend it to some of my friends who don’t want to spend a lot of money on Pc
@@taigoinu3928 Yeah but a "budget PC" isn't going to be spending that kind of money. $450 USD isn't a "budget" CPU though it is creeping up towards the high end, and considering AMD is marketing this as a "fastest gaming CPU" it's certainly being targeted towards that demographic anyway. Budget PC gamers are going to be going for (rather, already had) getting a 5600x. That's a great budget gaming CPU, though even that was a bit pricey on release.
Budget gaming is more toward the $100-200 mark, with $300-400 being the more midrange end of the spectrum (like a 3700x/5700XT or 2070 super reference is midrange). Over $400 is where you start getting towards the high end. It's also just plainly an expensive CPU that's being touted as the final boss of AM4 when it comes to gaming.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 i know what your mean mate but 5800x is already priced at 339 at Amazon , to me like for many people 339 is a great price and still I believe the price will drop even more . In my ears 👂 it’s sounds like a music , just think about it 339 for a great 8 core cpu , if we go back in time like 4 a 5 years example Intel there was no 8 core cpu for that price , if we get lucky we could get 4 core without threads . Now I run i5 12600k jus for under 300 euro and it’s a monster cpu , It’s not exactly an budget CPU but I do not even think about to purchase an 6core or lower CPU those days . 8 core will become standard and we will forget about 6 core or less
@@taigoinu3928 Yeah but I mean my basic point is why the heck would you spend that on a 5800x when for just $40 more you can get the 5900x.
Would you be able to compare new Ryzen with 3d cache to others from 5000 line up in several VR games? It seems like VR games benchmarks are never there. Especially 5900x/5950x/5800x3D would be appreciated.
As much as I was skeptical (despite being AMD fanboy 😉) whether AMD's claims of more cache being needed in games and delivering 15% more performance - it seems they were right.
Obviously as you've shown cache in game matters, but I thought that since 32MB on Ryzen CPU's was already more than what you usually find on Intel CPU - that past 30 to 40 MB it won't matter. But I was wrong. Wow.
20 years ago had a 200mhz Pentium Pro and it smoked a 600mhz Celeron due to cache.
It definitely shows with the 5500 being a 5600G (and, by extension, a 5600H) with the integrated graphics disabled. Objectively, its performance may not be complete shit, but as a part with half of Vermeer's L3 cache and not even having usable integrated graphics (despite having the cores), it falls into this weird no-man's land.
@@sonicboy678 Yeah. But I wasn't expecting this behavior to scale so much above those numbers. After all most processors bought by most people (Intel) have like 20MB of cache in high end. So I expected there was some optimization done sort of thinking of those.
i think on amd big cache help more compared to intel due to a chiplet design, maybe on zen 4 with fast ddr5 and infinity fabric doesn't scale so well
It is faster than %15. AMD is jebaiting Intel and Nvidia 😂
THANK YOU! For doing my SIM/VR focused titles. Please test Iracing/ACC/Flight Sim and DCS more especially in VR if you really want to stress test GOU’s/CPU’s
I expect the 1% low improvements are going to make a big difference to VR.
Hi, go for the 5800X3D for VR game , paired with a cg who has same power or better than RTX 3080 ;)
The 5900X is about $385 US on Amazon atm, which would be a good idea for some people, depending on their usage.
I wish we had this prices in my country. It is around 1000 USD here
@@katech6020 😟. Holy smokes! I'm sorry. I certainly wasn't trying to brag or anything. Where are you, roughly? That's insanity! Heck, you could have someone here buy it for you, and ship it to you.
@@TheCgOrion I understand you. I am in Morocco (North Africa). for shipping options high value items are more likely to be stolen.
@@katech6020 oh wow. I'm sorry it doesn't sound like that's a good option either.
@@katech6020 You should move to my country then. The prices are still shit, but at least your mail won't be stolen.
Thank you for including MSFS!!
Great entertainment for me when a part like this comes out with all the new benchmark videos. So cool. Thanks!
yea, I would like to see 6800xt or 6900xt tests too, esp in dx11 bound scenarios. But great work man, great!
The video i've been waiting for since I got a 5800X. Not worth the "sidegrade" in my case. Now if I can upgrade my kid's 3600 to my 5800X and I pick up 5800X3D...
thats not really a side grade more like a generational leap in terms of gaming performance and cpus.
@@TrippyTakaGaming 5800X3D is a "sidegrade" because it is not faster in all other aspects. It is only faster in Gaming (or rather 1080p gaming). If you don't play competitive e-sport games or don't have an ultra-fast monitor, 5800X3D doesn't really help anything.
5800X3D is slower in real-world workloads, more expensive, and not overclockable.
@@pisachasrinuan7960 lol you are totally ignoring the review above yes it does help in plenty of 1440P titles and not just e-sports games. I said "for gaming" its a generational leap. like going from zen 2 to zen 3. If you game a lot like a do its a no brainer to sell your 5800X for 300 and just pay the 150 to have the fastest gaming processor out there.
@@TrippyTakaGaming
Bro, I watched the review, "generational leap" is way too exaggregated.
Even the reviewer didn't comfortably recommend it (12:53). He said, depends on games, how we play, and what we want. He said it's not a "bang for the buck" choice. It's more like, a premium for gaming (only). The general all-rounder CPUs are R7-5800X (or 5700X) and i7-12700K.
Also, I wouldn't recommend anyone to sell their 5800X just to get 5800X3D
@@pisachasrinuan7960 im not gonna sit here and argue with you, i have been here every generation. He said in the comment below its exceptionally good value compared to the 12900k which HAD the best gaming performance, and yes that was a generational leap above the zen 3. OFC it's not the best bang for your buck, its for those who want the best gaming performance money can buy right now. Selling the 5800X while you can for 300 and getting the 5800X3D is a no brainer for those who game at high refresh rates in 1080, 1440p and wants something that drops in.. next zen cpu you will have to change motherboards, memory, etc. Take care.
I think for my usecase the 5800X3D would be the perfect fit. I play ACC a lot and especially at the start of a race my 5600X can't push enough frames to get more than 80-90fps with 50 cars big field. With the 5800X3D i probably would get over 100fps which would be perfect for a racing sim.
Yeah same here. It looks like the perfect ACC CPU.
It’s hard for me to justify having already bought an overpriced cpu and upgrading after less than a year
@@Dennzer1 doubt l3 scales linearly
Exactly the video I needed today. My plan is to scoop up the 5800x3D from micro center and give my SO so my regular 5800x to replace her 3600. As someone that plans to skip next gen processors so they can work out the early adopter kinks as well as an e-sports player the 5800x3D sees like a good way to tie me over.
Great analysis! As a 5800x owner who mostly plays at 4k, it doesn't seem like much of a difference to me (even with the 1 percent lows). Better off waiting for Zen 4 or 5.
I'd wait until the CPUs after the 7000 series. The 5800x3d is beating the 7000 series in some games
ACC is one of my main games. I'm seriously thinking about replacing my 5900X with 5800X3D. Thank you for testing ACC.
New Egg: $379 for a 5900x after 20 extra off ath the checkout. check it.
@@Dennzer1 I think ACC has better gamepad support than AC. I hope your situation be better soon.
Dont do it dude. Wait next generation
I know this is old, but what did you end up doing? My 5800X died and I'm trying to decide whether to replace it with a 5900X on sale for $299 or a 5800X3D on sale for $359. Mostly game with a splash of productivity stuff at 1440p with aa 3080
@@CargoShorts7 I am still with my 5900X since my other games like truck sims have been improved. 5000X3D is less needed to me. I will suggest 5700X3D if only for gaming. HU just released a video comparing 5700X3D and 5800X3D. You may watch it.
Huge thumbs-up for the Warzone tests, hardly anybody uses (properly) this game for benchmarking. Partly understandable, because it's a messy situation, but you did it, so that's proof of the fact that it can be done. Thanks again.
With GPU prices seeming to settle down a bit, I think I’ll be building my first rig here soon. This CPU seems like a good choice while waiting for the next generation to mature
Thank you for including MSFS again! One of the most interesting benchmarks imo.
Edit: Just got to the MSFS part. Bummer MSFS doesnt work on your Intel system.
If the 5800x3d is this good then I could only imagine the next gen ryzen cpus..cant wait
zen4 doesnt have 3dv Cache
@@sgredsch really? Let's hope there is still going to be a noticeable difference
@@sgredsch When the production of 58x3d stops and if Intel is very strong, then we will see ZEN43D.
@@kanenas1727 AMD could stop being so greedy and just launch 3dv Cache zen4 from the getgo and not keep it back until they might feel the need to counter Intel and if not just bag it and never Release it
@@MrEditsCinema i dont know, i think zen4 will be plenty fast. recent Leaks showed a zen4 sample run at 1.5v vcore, which intolerable for 3dvcache on the 5800x3d.
I really appreciate the fact that you used relevant titles for this benchmark thank you!
Thank you for including ACC!!
Really interesting case as the sim is so heavy on the physics calculations especially with a lot of AI cars.
Incredible performance from the 5800x3d but I'll have to wait as with a 3070 running max settings on 1440p ultrawide, it's my GPU coming up short rather than my 5600x cpu. That said, I can hit 95 FPS so I don't strictly need any upgrade on either.
Im happy with my 5800x. New Chipsetdriver and Curve Optimizer and with CPU-Z Bench it´s similar to I9 11900K. I bought it before x3d was out but i think the performance is enough for couple of years.
This was the test i was waiting for! Thanks for the insane work Steve! Much appreciated!
Clearly very good gains in a lot of titles.
SC2 being one of the games i still play a lot and with custom maps the FPS is still lacking on a 5900X with PBO and memory tweaks boosting to 5000MHz. So it looks like i can get a bit better performance with the 5800X3D. Apex does not see a lot of gain but that game is running very well anyway. When the FPS is not hitting 144 on my 3440x1440 screen its a GPU limit.
I wonder how X3D will perform with Mechwarrior Online. Also a game that still leans heavy on 2 cores. I do have some good expectations for that game with this CPU.
Running your DDR4 memory at 5000MHz on Zen 3/3D is likely significantly HURTING your performance, not helping it! Chiplet Zen (Zen 2 onwards) gains SIGNIFICANTLY more performance from locking the DRAM, IMC, & Infinity Fabric clocks all 1:1:1 than it does from pushing your DRAM clock as high as it'll possibly go! 🤷
Aka, you'll get much, MUCH better results by just running your DRAM at ≈3800-3866MHz w/ a 1:1 ≈1900-1933MHz "F-clock" (Infinity Fabric clock), as is the 1:1 silicon limit of most Zen 3 chips (although if your specific chip can hit ≈3933-4000MHz DRAM w/ a ≈1966-2000MHz F-clock, then by ALL MEANS DO IT!!!) with as absolutely LOW of manually tightened timings as you can manage!!!
This is quite a bit more than anticipated; thought about 5-10% improvement, maybe 20% in some cases, but this is about double that and cases with 30-50% improvement are wild! Especially considering it's same-generation and existing CPUs (Zen3, Zen2) already had fairly large L3 caches.
Only 10% avg and 20% if u use high + ultra setting man .
What I would really like to know, is what the 5800X3D would do for World of Warcraft, since it's on a similar engine to SC2 (From vague memory).
WoW/FFXIV would be a nice/good inclusion to these kinda benchmarks I think.
I play only WoW. I have switched from 5800x to 5800x3D, paired woth 3070.
In graphically heavy areas like Ardenweld or Bastion i didnt notice a big fps jump. My GPU was at almost 100% utilization. What i have noticed was less fps drops and studdering.
Where i have notice a big difference was Dungeons and BGs. Higher and more stable fps. Game just feels more fluid with 5800x3d.
I have posted few short videos on my channel. Go and check.
@@PanProkop I cannot understand how a bloody 14 yrs old game like SC2 has such stuttering even on todays most modern CPUs. Also blizzard should shame themselves, they were unable to re-write the engine for this game!
Happy with my current 5800X, but have to say this is impressive. I game mostly at 1440p and 4K, so the upgrade doesn't make as much sense, but man is it tempting. I don't do any production on my PC, as its exclusively for gaming, so that makes it even more tempting.
did you do it? i currently have a 5800x and considering getting this 😂
@@PandaPanda0512 I kept my 5800x and holding upgrading until i move to a different platform. Just dont' want to invest any more into the AM4 socket. I was close, but in the end I am still happy with the performance i get from the 5800x. Its a solid CPU, other than mine running a bit hot.
@@ramonlopez2683 mine runs hot too, so what would you say? should i get the 3d or hold out with my 5800x
@@PandaPanda0512 If you are planning on staying on the platform you are on for another 3 years, then I would say upgrade to the 3d chip. If you plan on building on the AM5 or another more current setup in less than that then i would hold off.
Thank you guys for this kind of videos! It really helps everyone on which CPU to buy!
I think I'll keep my 5800X since I play games in 4k where I'm gpu-bound anyway. That said, the 5800X3D looks very impressive. Can't wait to see what Raptor Lake and Zen 4 bring to the table.
I just started building a new pc with 5800x 3 months ago. I think it will last for a long time. I hope
@@alxnd_r6345 It will last for a good while. Even though the 5800X3D is faster, the regular 5800X is still great for gaming.
@@GearheadK20C4 I mean, if both of them had been released at the time I built my PC, I would have gone with the X3D but it doesn't really matter anyway. The 5800X is plenty fast.
@@H3LLGHA5T Definitely. The standard 5800X is more than good enough for all games today and likely several years into the future.
Yes I play between 1440p and mainly 4K. After seeing the benchmarks at 4K, the 5800x is probably the choice for me since I do not want to shell out the extra monies for the 3d. :D
Steve, you are a legend. I was literally about to buy one of these cpus when I saw your video, and you made it clear which one I should get. Many thanks.
So the which one?
@@MrSpBack Well, for my use case the 5800X is a better choice.
At the time I was considering this, the X was going for $330 and X3D is $450, thats %26.6 price difference for %9 better at 1440p, and %1 better at 4K. Considering that I play at those resolutions, that money is better spent on a gpu.
Also, my main reason to upgrade is because I use solidworks, which is a 1-2 thread program so the X has better single threaded performance not to mention OC performance if I need it.
Now, the extra cache could prove to be beneficial for future games but since I needed the single thread performance, the X is better for me, if I were gaming only I'd probably go with X3D and keep it for as long as possible, minimum 5 years.
Thank you for including Asetto Corsa Competizione. Not many people include benchmarks for this game in detail and this helps me realize that a 3D cache cpu is almost required
Any chance of testing the 5800X3D with the Unreal Engine 5 City Demo?
Unreal Engine 5 City Demo its broken on pc terrible performance no matter what
Awesome as always some folks like me already have a 5000 series chip and see no need to upgrade for the very few games that benefit from the extra cache but if only 3000 chip lower than the 3600 then would be more than tempted
5800x3d review
Hardware Unboxed: Tested more than a dozen games, pitted against different cpus from both Intel and AMD, ends it up with a comprehensive, scenario based conclusion
Hardware Canucks: Tested 5 games. "Upgrade bait"..."Intel all the way baby!"
:D yeah i saw that too....those lazy hipsters did not want to go ALL IN to spent dozens of hours of their life to benchmark :D but its okay, i still love them for other reviews they do very good...and aslong as we have HWU the world can keep spinning.
HC use high res high quality settings. because people using 3090ti are using those settings. It is fair statement!
But it does not show what CPU is fastest to the gaming in general.
Because in reality 3600 or 12400 is the best option with 3090ti if you play 4k with ultra quality settings! The GPU is the bottle neck, so CPU is useless in anyway.
@@haukionkannel yeah basically the same argument even I used to push back in the day when we say the FX-8350 as being equal in performance with then 2700k right? "Use high res and max settings" So how did the FX-8350 faired against the 2700k a couple of years and gpu generations after? Even right before ryzen launch sandybridge users are still showing their cpus being capable enough with the FX already lagging behind way before That's the point of testing low res low settings on CPU. To show how the CPU will fair years after when faster gpus gets released. It should have been known to HC already the significance of that testing methodology. And the problem with testing only five games especially with the 5800x3d is not all games benefits from large caches. So having a small sample of size of games if they choose all games that would get no benefit from huge caches then of course they would come up with the conclusion that it shows no improvement over the the 5800x. They should have done at least all the games posted on AMD's marketing slide which is less than a dozen. To prove what Dmitri is trying to say which is "Intel all the way baby" lol
That Hardware Canucks review was disgraceful.
@@retrotechpinas3640 Heh! This will definitely be better option in the long run! This CPU has power to run next get flagships easily in the games... So yeah. HC talks only todays GPUs...
But I think that many people who play, do like I do. Keep same CPU long time... Upgrade GPU many time... or at lead did do that before current GPU pricing...
Thank you! Thank you!! Thank you for benchmarking ACC!!! If you could also benchmark Project Cars2 in the future, that would be great!!!
Ram speed scaling benchmark would be very interesting, as a lot of people with ryzen 1000/2000 will upgrade to 5800X3D, but probably most of these people have 3000-3200MHz ram. In theory with a lot of cache it shouldn't matter that much; a benchmark confirming that would be very useful :)
ram speed schaling is very poor with 5800X3D, 1% going from ddr 4 3200 to 3800. RAM speed doenst matter at all with 5800X3D because of the L3 cache. So its the perfect cpu for upgraders sitting on an older ddr4 platform.
This is a great video. I'd love to see a comparison across the AM4 line of CPUs for people looking to upgrade from older chips too the 5800X3D
Thanks for the comprehensive update on higher resolutions. For the time being, I think the $220 upgrade from my 5600x might be better used elsewhere (3440x1440)
Yeah I don't think it's a worthwhile for most 5000 series owners, especially at higher resolutions. For older gens it's a great upgrade path to extend the life of the board.
Great Video. Seems a lot of work benchmarking all these games!
In some games at 1080p the uplift is is just mindblowing besides the lower clock frequency. I really like this aproach to achieve better performance. Since I have a Ryzen 3700X i consider upgrading to the 5800X3D along with a next generation GPU so I can stick a bit longer to my mainboard.
Thank you guys for this extremely informative review. Now is the time for my system to get an upgrade, and you made it clear which CPU i should get. Im changing my ryzen 7 1700 to the 5800x3D , cant imagine what kind of a leap this will be until experienced. Thanks a ton!
Just moved from a 3700x to a 5800x3D. Everything is smoother. The 5800x3D is an insane CPU and an amazing send-off to the AM4 platform.
I just ordered mine. I’m gonna be skipping am5 and building a new machine on am6
What resolution do you play at? I'm considering this exact upgrade. Thanks.
@@chosen729 lol
I'll grab a 5800x3d as soon as possible, then upgrade to rdna3 and maybe once again with rdna4 (or whatever they'll call it). 2k @144hz for 5 o 6 years from now will make of my crosshair 6 hero the biggest value I've ever seen, doing very well since mid 2017
Cool dude, who did you think would care about this comment?
@@Garthbrooks4756 Apparently , you did .since you actually responded to his comment ? Lol
@@Garthbrooks4756 “Who do you think would care about this comment.” You did though?
@@entreri76x mic drop.
I have the 5800x since April21 and it's Amazing, now for the same money of the "new" 3D one you can have the 5900x. Why peoples wanna buy less cores when the next cpus coming will make everything that came before them instantly obsolete? 🤣
My 5800x air cooled with a DarkRockPro4 undervolted with pbo (stock cores clocks, only -13 curve optimizer) does 15928pts (MultiT) and 1602pts (SingleT), and i match the 10850k in CPUz. My RAM sticks are 2x8gb-DDR4-cl16@3600mhz (crucial ballistix) in dual channel so if you have something faster you beat my scores easly (expecially with water cooling and seriuous overclocking). Any 5900x or 5800x tweaked to their sweet spots will do just fine anyways...
I don't think you need the _3Dcache(grab)_ but your build your money your decisions, peace out;)
Great video! Would be interested to see how memory speed (MHz and CAS latency) impact 5800X3D performance given the extra L3 cache in comparison to "normal" Ryzen CPUs where memory speed is very influential.
ryzen is on sale where i live,
5800x for 250$ and 5800x3d for 370$
performance per $ is so much better now
Thanks for testing all the resolutions!
Just swapped my 5950X for a 5800X3D. (Main game is Starcraft 2) Thanks for including it!
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Change the LAST line (something like InstalledPackagesPath "C:\Users\[USER]\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft Flight Simulator\Packages") so that it would correctly point to the location of your "HLM_Packages" packages folder (not just "Packages"). For me it was: ' InstalledPackagesPath "G:\Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator\HLM_Packages" '
I wonder how would a 5800x3d perform against a 5800x and 5900x in gaming + streaming setups. Will that massive cache help? Or will it be hindered by slower clocks.
I'd guess more cache would be a far bigger plus over clock speed here. Assuming you have enough cores that it doesn't run on the same ones as the game, encoding and streaming video on different cores shouldn't care for clock speed all that much, and not interfere with the game by doing computations. But he CPU is shoveling a lot of data around for video encoding. A CPU with less cache should run out of space on it sooner and drop more cached data, thus need more memory accesses to get it back, the more data hungry processes you have running in parallel. That could impact gaming performance. So my bet would be that especially for a lot of multi tasking with data heavy tasks, this CPU should shine.
@@Hugh_I what i wanna know is how would ingame fps get effected by gaming + streaming. lets say we can stream 1080p60 on medium encoding speed at 6k bitrate in 5800x but we lose 20% ingame fps loss (which can happen), in the same setup, how would a 5800x3d handle the situation? also would it be better to get a 5900x or 5800x3d to stream + game at the same time.
@@OzMuGu yeah my guess would be the 5800x3d would do best. But I'm just assuming here that the cache helps, which might not be much at all or may be trumped by having 12 cores in some very CPU intensive games. Only benchmarks can really answer that properly. Fingers crossed Steve reads your question :)
I have a 5800X paired with a 3060 Ti and game on a 2k. 5800X is more than enough for my needs along with the present card I have. Granted the newer cpu variant will get higher framerates but I won't be changing out my 5800X for a while yet. Can't think of a better time to buy a 5800X though now that the price has dropped, since I purchased mine at least. Its a great value processor👍
Agree with you. However right now, i think everyone should just buy a 5700x instead of a 5800x
Bought my 5800x about 4 months ago at Micro Center for $300. If there's no Micro Center near you, a 5700x is the way to go then @ 65w. I run my 5800x in ECO-Mode for efficeincy / heat output which is the same as having a 5700x/5800-OEM really. If I decide to get a better cooler I might turn off ECO-Mode for the slightly higher power gains, but combined with my 3080ti, this level of cpu already does a nice job as is, while saving $150 over the 3d variant imo.
Informative vid, thanks Steve and team! I thought I wanted the 3D version, but looking at the 4K results - think I'll be just as happy with the 5700X from the OC 3600... and NZ cant get these until July, at almost USD $500! Nope.
A big thank you for including MSFS 2020 since I'm looking at upgrading my rig from 5700XT / 3600. Also very interesting to hear about the infinite loop problem with some(?) Intel processors, that cuts down the options for me...
Who would chose intel. Only the fanboys.
If you already have an AM4 board the 5800X3D is a no-brainer. You're literally AMD's target audience for this product. You need to spend $580 on a 12900K + $500 on a DDR5 6400CL32 kit to get this level of performance... THEN comes the motherboard. But you can get a 5800X3D and plop it in for $450. LGA 1700 is only getting Raptor Lake, then it's a dead end too... So you're looking at a massive price advantage with AMD to put towards a GPU instead (and you're going to need it if you want the 5800X3D to get a chance to flex).
I have a normal 5800x with a 4.9 GHz boost and an RTX 3080 10 GB. I play at 1440p usually maxed out settings and aim for 75 to 120 FPS as my preferred range. I doubt this new processor will give me any noticeable improvements I think I'm just going to stick with what I have thanks so much for the review!!;!!
@@Dennzer1 Can't wait to pair my non-OC 2200G with 8Gb RAM with a brand new RTX 4090 or RX 7900 XT
@@Dennzer1 but serious question: what if I upgraded my current RX 570 to a more powerful GPU while keeping the same APU, will I be able to play on 1440p/4k maxed out at 60fps?
@@Dennzer1 maybe but I don't have a 3090 TI like in the video just a standard 3080 10bg the margins would be much lower for me and doubly so since I crank my settings. I would imagine the margins for me would be similar to the 4K results here in the hardware unboxed video even though I'm playing at 1440p. What I see games sure but significant ones? I doubt it.
@@Dennzer1 haha I know my question is quite unusual but that's the thing: I'm gonna save money to buy either a PS5 (I am kinda torn on that, I prefer gaming on PC but consoles have some pros over PC's) or a new GPU. I dont have a 4k display but I wanna buy a 27in 1440p display, and I've heard that at higher resolutions, the GPU handles most of the work, that's why I was wondering if simply upgrading my GPU would allow me to run games at QHD resolution just fine :)
The ideal would be to upgrade the entire system but I'm kinda broken lol so my priority is the GPU (or a PS5 like I said), then I can upgrade the CPU/mobo later.
I also need more RAM, I have only 8Gb of RAM (not VRAM) and need at least 16Gb (plus a new PC case).
A RX 6600 (XT) would indeed be a nice upgrade but sadly I'm gonna have to go green team next since games are more optimized for it (take God of War for example, it is a mess on Radeon cards and still hasnt been fixed), Nvidia is generally better for DX11 games and also, OpenGL... I like to emulate games and sadly Radeon OpenGL drivers suck on Windows (and I dont wanna mess with Linux ever again).
@@Dennzer1 I tried searching for videos that test gaming in these conditions and resolution but it's hard to come by, and when I do they're often running the games on full HD.
I love PC gaming (this is my first gaming PC after playing on PS3 and PS4), but it's clear that it comes with a hefty price and I should probably settle with consoles :( (at least they're able to run most games on 60fps, which is one of the main things that pushed me to migrate to PC)
06:11 I would love to see more "competitive" setting benchmark for us sweaty wraiths because let's face it, not many people play Apex on ultra high settings.
Apex is one of those few games that actually look worse on ultra settings. Also, Respawn's TSAA implementation looks hideous making everything look like it was covered in vaseline. I'd much rather have the option to enable 2x to 4x MSAA with some "light" SMAA or FXAA sprinkled in.
@@Jarmundx I run at max settings, because I have a 3090 and play at 1440p, and can keep my framerates pegged on my 144hz monitor. To 'fix' the AA blurriness I enable some sharpening in the Nvidia drivers (works on Radeon as well), and it looks fantastic. I do agree that they need to give us some better AA options though.
I'm happy that the 5800x3d is usable on an am4 platform, let's say 3 years from now I will be able to upgrade from my 5600x to the 5800x3d for a (hopefully) small price and I'll be very happy to gain both the core boost and performance boost, moreso than from just a regular 5800x!
In a few years the 5800x3d will be out of stock in retail and expensive 2nd hand. either get it now or forget about it.
And why should you even switch? A 5600X is around 3% slower in gaming compared to a 5950X and around 15% to a 5800x3D on average, so you will not notice 2 much difference except for a few titles in future...the 5600X is a beast for gaming and still in the worlds fastest dozen
@@sgredsch Untrue, I still see dozens of 1700x/2700x'es on sale for example, I think this one will be around for a long time because AMD seems to be going the route of releasing CPUs once every 1.5-2 years instead of every year if they follow the ryzen 5000 series example, and I support this as it gives hardware more longevity.
@@Reknilador they aren't planning on manufacturing many. That's why they only released one version that's got 3D VCache. It's a place holder until AM5 releases. So you won't see many on the 2nd hand market and those that are will retain their value.
AM5 will likely make it less cost effective as an upgrade path.
@@BlueMax109 DEMMIT. Ahh I dont feel like wasting more cash on it i dont even have a GPU strong enough to use its power hah, still on a 1070 and waiting for these prices to drop, though thanks for giving me a heads up, didn't think about it that way.
Just bought my 5800X at Micro Center for $215 after taxes a few weeks ago. I didn't want to spend the extra $150 on the 5800X3D because I plan on upgrading to another build with AM5 and needed a small jump from my 3800X which I bought used from Micro Center for $199 shortly after release. When researching I was concerned about thermals since people states that it gets too hot, it's all depending on how thermally constrained you are so it's subjective to me. I got it paired up with my Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black with a (1x140mm and 2x120mm) PWM Noctua Chromax fans. Had to ditch the other 140mm fan and add it as a rear exhaust fan for my case. I did this so the CPU gets more heat out of the case some I don't see techtubers do when installing air coolers. I live in the Midwest and can use a $60 decent window fan to clean my bedroom/setup and it helps a lot even in the summer. So when my room gets hot I can set the fan to exhaust air out the room which helps especially in the summer. I have the 5800x OCd to 4.75GHZ at 1.2V Max. it idles at 35C and the max is 75C ( Cinebench at 100%) which is not often since the CPU has more than enough headroom for gaming/editing. When gaming it gets to 59C after playing Cyberpunk 2077 for 12hrs straight. It OCs, cools and runs more efficiently than my 3800x at 4.4GHZ @1.325V. And the POST is much snappier and more fluid on Ryzen 5000.
I bet everyone that the PS5 Pro will use this exact 3D stacking architecture in it. The power draw, clock speed, instruction speed and cache size is console ready.
Not sure is Sony is willing pay the price increase. I expect to see same CPU made at 6nm instead of 7nm to get some heat and speed advantages.
There will be no PS5 Pro, the consoles were made to last the length of the generation. Putting in such a substantially faster architecture in a mid gen refresh, IMO of course, would be a misstep. What they need to do, and Microsoft as well, is limit this generation to 5-6 years like they should be, then release MUCH faster consoles in late 2026. By that time, they should be on the next, next architectures for CPU/GPU.
@@haukionkannel because it's Zen architecture it would be easier and more future compatible to switch from one to the other seamlessly. From Zen 2 to 3 would actually be more beneficial to game devs and it would also make game development far more dev friendly. Sony was the company to always do a power gap innovation in the past it's just Microsoft completely blindsided them with their own console specs. Remember the PS3 was technically far more powerful than the Xbox 360 and then the PS4 came out to be more powerful than the Xbox one.
Shortly after the Xbox one s and PS4 pro came out and once again, PlayStation had a vast power advantage. The thing is, Sony never and I mean never saw the Xbox One X coming the way it did. Once Xbox gained the power advantage Sony "thought" that they would take the lead back with the PS5.
Sony probably thought that the new Xbox would at most have 8-9Tflops and 32 compute units. Once again they were proven wrong when the Series X specs were announced and that doesn't sit well with Sony.
That's why this time they are going to go above and beyond to make sure they have the technology and horsepower throne back. They won't be blindsided by Microsoft anymore and I know this because they want to make sure they push VR in the upcoming future. VR takes a great deal of graphics power to run at a stable 1440 120fps.
I am almost certain that PlayStation consoles will be more powerful towards mid-gen refresh in 2023-2024.
So basically, this CPU is best for those who play games using a 1080P monitor and not worth it if you use a 4k monitor, correct?
I picked up a 5900X for 360 dollars. I didn't feel the drive to purchase the 5800X3D for 450 for ~5% more frames. But it is awesome to see how amazing the extra cache once again makes AMD the king of gaming CPUs
Wish you also tested the 5900x as it's closer in price to the 5800X3D.
In gaming... it is same as 5800x... a tiny bit better. Just look any 5800x vs 5900x tests that are there already!
In productivity 5900x kills 5800x3d hands down... In gaming it will lose about the same as 5800x does. one or two percent less in some games.
@@haukionkannel you are wrong. 5900x have lower temperature about 10° c on all situation!
@@MrSpBack Interesting because I am not talking about the temperature at all :)
Yes 5900x has lower temperature. We agree on it easily. So what is that you actually mean to say?
Thank you so much for getting this out prior to launch. It has helped me massively. I’ve just ordered it in the uk from scan and hopefully it will come tomorrow. Going to pair it with a 3090FE I got just after launch. It was the Warzone benchmark that swung it for me. I’m not expecting quite the same gains as I game on an ultrawide, but I have every intention of getting a 4080 or better as soon as I can after launch. I have a use for my existing 5800x hence the purchase now rather than waiting.
Same as you man, only difference is that I currently have a 6900xt, but my case is exactly the same as yours, I have a 5800x and I play at 3440x1440p ultrawide. I’m pretty convinced to buy the 5800x3d and I will sell the 5800x to a friend of mine who needs it. Going to stay that way until end of the year, then I will switch to a 4080 or a 7900xt, keep the 5800x3d for some months more and then switch cpu, mobo and ram in the first half of 2023
@@LethaR_YT yeah, I have to say the 5800x3d has surprised me. If I change platform it will be late 23 or even 24 if I can get away with it.
ACC gains.... Oh WOW! As a Sim-racer one knows that these titles are CPU-intensive but that difference was outstanding. Looks like a non-brainer upgrade for me since sometimes I get FPS drops below 144fps (my refresh rate) even when GPU is at around 80~.
Thanks for this benchmark round!
5800x3d has a 40% lead over the i9 12900k in Dota 2 for anyone who plays that game
Source?
@@luxosaty RUclips
What would help with making a decision would be comparing different GPUs with these 2 CPUs to see where in the spectrum you'd need to sit for it to be worthwhile to go for the 5800X3D :)
I think There are 3800 "CL14" 2x8 kits to maximize the performance of 5800X3D
im using 8ball 3200 cl14 @3600 (4x16gb) with tightened timings ; tempted to upgrade my 5800x
Would you consider adding some method of presenting frametimes / frametime graphs for some games in the future for CPU reviews? It seems like that’s where some of the largest improvements would come from with a CPU like this and tends to be the most important factor for the player experience.
This. Frametime graphs would be great
Today I ordered my 5800X3D as a last upgrade for the next 3-4 years for my old 3600 which still runs good! It`s so interesting to look back in time when a CPU was still more or less useless after 2 years, e.g from a Pentium 2 with 350MHz to a Pentium III with 500MHz.
Today a 3600 (without X!) is still enough for playing many games and if that isn`t enough, you clock it at 4,2GHz and that`s it. Amazing!
I just can't wait for the triple threat AMD APU combo of RDNA2, DDR5 RAM and 3D Cache in the near future
rdna 2 better not be overpriced,or you'll be better off with an arc or geforce
@@bgop346 doubt amd will price their cards higher than nvidia
Why would it be a threat though,Are you gonna use it in a war or something?
@@nayan.punekar smh
@@nayan.punekar Assuming you actually don't know, the term "triple threat" in English is a figure of speech used to describe something which has three prominent advantages of some kind. Often used to describe people who are highly skilled in three important ways in some kind of endeavor - especially sports (e.g. someone in baseball who can hit, run, and field very well).
Based on some of these numbers, would LOVE to see the 5800X3D vs 5900X or 5950X numbers
The 5900X and 5950X are only a few percent faster than the 5800X, as Steve covered in the Zen 3 release back then.
I just ordered a 5800x3d to replace my 3700x. Can't wait for it to arrive.
13:50 The truth about this part. If you are already on a 5000 chip just stay with it till the next real generation.. Glad I game at 4K....
Nobody with any sense is gonna buy a $450 cpu to play at 1080p! That's a whole ass gpu worth of money.
5800x3d is definitely brilliant
but let's not forget that there's now a 65w 5700x for just 300 bucks
@@tilapiadave3234 not true. no doubt the 5900x is really great for both gaming and productivity and isn't too expensive, but for people who only play games on high refresh-rate screens and already have a system with a 400 or 500 series chipset with an older zen cpu - the upgrade to 5800x3d is worth it
wait, I have to correct my answer,
0,0001% of world population are 8000 people and that number is probably very close to how many people will end up buying the 5800x3d
@@tilapiadave3234 that's a heavy exaggeration. and it depends on the games you play. in some games the improvement is 30% over 5800x as hardware-unboxed have shown (+15% average)
It’s great to see these massive frame rates. I will be keeping my PC untouched for a few years, 4K is irrelevant to me
1080p 100+ FPS chads 😎
V.S
4k 55 FPS virgins 🤮
@@lobiankk77 😆👍
@@lobiankk77 no, 1440p ftw
@@silogaming6840 If you have enough horsepower, fine, but I think 1080p is still pretty good.
Id imagine the vcache will only help games that dont scale well across cores due to shared memory or poor locking. So how is the dwarf fortress performance??
Actually it's non-sequential RAM access patterns which exceed L3 that benefit most from larger Vcaches.
Having more idle cores doesn't help mitigate memory stalls one bit, you already have SMT threads that can process while a thread is stalled on RAM.
Some games won't benefit because the CPU can pre-fetch memory into cache before it's needed. Sometimes helper SMT threads running on the same core, explicitly pre-fetch memory into cache to avoid stalls, but games aren't ported to PC with much care about hardware specifics.
Ty for the SC2 benchmark