What Was Poker REALLY Like in 2005?
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Long-time poker pro and CardRunners founder Taylor Caby joins Doug Polk to talk about playing poker in the boom years, starting the first major poker training site, and more.
0:00 Intro
1:14 Taylor joins, CardRunners/Upswing
12:26 Online poker in 2003
20:44 Online poker today
34:07 Quitting poker, Starting DraftDay, DFS talk
44:23 Establish The Run
51:00 Are training sites ruining the games?
56:40 Building niche communities
1:04:17 Doug gets into self tanners
1:13:03 CryptoPunks
1:25:22 Crypto market, Poker players in Crypto
1:35:07 The similarities of Doug and Taylor
1:45:12 Outro
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I can confirm that online poker was incredible from 2003 onward. I actually remember the first time I saw Doug aka 'WCGRider' at one of my tables(07' or 08'); he put a nasty beat on me to double up and then typed 'lol' in the chat(AA vs his AQs all in pre). I like to think that my $400 went toward Doug taking some big successful shots at the nosebleeds lol.
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The tuff_fish videos are priceless.
This was a banger. Good stuff Doug and Taylor!
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
Awesome interview with Taylor! Pretty big bummer that all the blogs from cardrunners seem to be lost. A pretty cool part of poker history having some of the best players blogging during the most insane years of poker like Cole South, Brian Townsend, Brian Hastings and on and on. Hopefully somebody gets access to them one day.
The original cts blogs from even pre-CR days were absolutely epic. You could go find them for years but they appear to be gone now :(
Cts386 absolutely crushed FTP! So did Hastings but Cole’s went to another level...
Nothing archived on 2p2?
True they cheated a swede out of 5 mill sharing hand histories
Great to meet someone for the first time that I feel like I've always known :) Awesome pod
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
Feel special knowing I’m 19 and watching lol Doug I promise I’ll be the next generation of poker thanks to you
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
I really enjoyed the self tanner discussion just from a business perspective. Great chat with Taylor.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
Taylor is the reason I took poker more seriously and took my game to a different level. I use to play against him a lot on UB and then one day I stumbled across a you tube training vid with "Green Plastic" and I was like wait a minute this is the player that always crushed me online ! I watched his training vid and I was blown away how far ahead he was at that time and I immediately joined cardrunners
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
Taylor is an OG in multiple areas. Great job.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
I started playing live in 2005. Looking at the game now vs. then... GAWWDDD how I wish I'd taken that money making opportunity more seriously. Everybody sucked back then, where as now most players are at the very least competent.
Another great podcast. Thanks Doug!!!!
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
Thank for sharing 👍
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
Online poker in 03 was a joke, if you were halfway decent you could destroy everyone. You could check raise all in with a set in level 1 and people would call off with any top pair. The first 400 sit and gos I played I cashed 54% of the time. I really just played Hellmuths advice at the time, only played top 10-20 hands and 3.5x raise pre was standard, you rarely saw 3bets unless it was AA or KK. Kept running into this dude named good2cu that was tough to play against and found out years later it was andrewrobl.
thats coool as
Great pod Doug, love your content and especially you picking up since Joey has gone on hiatus(?).. I remember cardrunners, d/c etc back in the day. Tuff fish was hilarious and you guys didn't even mention leatherass lol. Btc & Eth to the moon!
Fuxc me to tears!
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
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Bankroll and stakes would have been a nice point to touch.
That was my poker “hayday”..thought I was gonna go pro from watching tv like everyone else 🤣🤣
people were so bad that with a little bit of work you could be net winner back then (not saying you weren't btw) but the overwhelming majority of players put NO time in to study of poker. There weren't as many resources as there are today - but there were still resources. Those that did read a couple of poker books won some money, barring the super emotional people that tilt themselves every time they lose a hand. Like, win several big pots, lost a small pot and then just lighting their money on fire to get revenge for the bad beat... etc...
@@jloiterer I read and had Doyle’s Super System and Harrington’s Tournament poker book years ago to learn the game but never had an adequate bankroll to take those big losses in no limit cash games..Id say I’m a pretty solid tournament player when I do play
@@jloiterer I was successful at $30 and under sit n gos and tourneys just from reading phil gordon's book, which is basically a simplistic poker for dummies read. Good times
RE ROVE ROO RORRIE REE
SHE SHE
OH WAIT. WRONG podcast
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
congrats man, have a happy honey moon!
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
I played a lot online. I broke my arm at work and couldn’t go in at all for 8 weeks. During those 8 weeks I played poker every day for 10-12 hours. Made so much money I quit and became pro and travelled the world for a few years playing poker to fund it. Stopped after I settled down in another country and just got back into it. Bought modern poker theory and holy shit has the game changed
Feedback: before the stream you can ask the interviewee to have the cameras with the same size etc.. sometimes the interviewees are far away, when the head is in the middle or very low (as in this case) there should be a better synchronization between the two parts. Thanks.
This is how Doug is asserting his dominance
"Feedback"
Lol
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
GTL ALL THE JERSEY BOYS CANT WAIT FOR THE NEW PRODUXT
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
Thanks for Cardrunners Taylor… and Thanks for the entertainment Doug
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
Shout out to Big Papi! ! ! Love you. I hope all is well!
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
It was glorious grasshoppers. It was glorious ❤️
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
Hey Doug, didn’t you do a podcast about how you weren’t going to do poker videos anymore?
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
A true legend....
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
I think there's at least 5 states maybe more I just wish they combined the states which I think they will eventually but its ridiculous to play in 1 state with the same players
Going to watch this - but just wanted to give my immediate thoughts because I was an online fish who played in the early 2000s: If I knew a fraction of what I know now about poker(and I'm still not good, below average of current players probably) - I could have made a meager living for a few years off poker alone back then. EVERYONE was bad. EVERYONE. Your opponents range was any two cards, except for scared players who would wait for AA or KK but then fold if the flop had two 9s on it and you raised.
btw watching now - that was just my initial reaction to the title.
no young people watching? im 16 been playing online for almost a year now built up a good bankroll and ready for when I am 18 to head down to Florida and play some live !!
We love you Joey Ingam!
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
The days where some 21 kid can walk into a casino and be the best player at the table as a result of how much he's played online is largely over. Given you have guys in their 30's who've played online poker for 10+ years. Also the easy money to made online was pre 2012.
Short answer it was pretty lit.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
Ha, i got my 2$ from a pacific poker freeroll and built from there. Awesome times
Remember pacific poker
rip potripper... u were a true pioneer
Lmao
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
Those were the days!!!!
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
god i miss the early 00s for online poker. even as a casual it was easy to just "play games" not even spending a dime. and still make it into satellite
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
Doug, where is the final stream of the bankroll challenge archived? I watched it live and it was an epic sweat. Congratulations and best wishes to you both.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
What was online poker like back in the day? Absolute Poker and Ultimatebet😂😂😂😂😂
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
Shoutout to the 20-24year old poker players! Cant all be Buttonclickr but work on getting there
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
Great podcast Doug! I hope Joey is alright.... if you are out there Joey much love.... let us know you are cool or ask for help if you are not.
Yah where the hell has he been ?
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
@@user-xg1sy9ic6w Thanks for the reply Doug (or Doug's people) I'm not sure as this looks like a phone number but that cant be right... anyways still hoping everything is all good with Papi
Yeah, It is. Please feel free to leave me a text Curtis.
@ sportsbetting: they have trainingsites because its so hard to find new sources to bet ammounts that make sence for a pro to bet and not getting banned. The hardest part is to find people to take big bets and not scamming you tho. Its not easy...
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
What wallet and exchange do you suggest?
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
Nice choice.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
Online legend is TuffFish
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
What do people mean when they say "there is a lot of opportunity I'm crypto right now"? Where do I start?
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
Speaking as a 21 year old. I think you underestimate the young playing field. Sure it is not as large as it once was at least in the USA, but from the state I am from, the two major colleges have home games run frequently along with it being a regulated poker state, Ik some of the top players on the site are in there early 20’s. Now, it’s not like it used to be from what it seems but young people still do love poker
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
Link to toughfish videos?
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
I went out and bought a few boxes of whippets after listening.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
Congrats
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
I signed up for cardrunners and it went down shortly after. Anyone have the matt matros lhe vids!
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@@user-xg1sy9ic6w man i wish i knew what this meant 😂😂
-𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ - :|
@@user-xg1sy9ic6w this should be taken down for abusive content!
Green Plastic is a Legend.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
I predict that in this next mini poker boom, which is definitely coming and being fueled by live vloggers like Brad Owen etc, will actually propel Pot Limit Omaha as the next big game and we'll see a massive transition from NL over to PLO on a large scale over the next decade or so similar to what happened when Limit started slowly dying and No Limit took over. PLO is like NL was back in 2005 even today in 2021, NOBODY knows what the hell they are doing and if you have a solid fundamental game you can absolutely print money with very little variance. This idea that PLO must be a high variance game is false, if you game select and know what you're doing you can absolutely print. The best way to counter advancing technology and bots is to gravitate towards games with more cards and more complex strategy that a bot can't easily imitate such as PLO, 5 card and 6 card PLO.
Empire poker in 2003 was great.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
Congrats on the Wedding Dougie
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
Run home games, and make poker great where you are at, with friends. Thats where its +EV for everyone
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
professional
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
Greenplastic in the house!
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
Balugawhale was my man early on
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
green plastic - my hero,.. fuck im getin old :D
Did u buy that sweet couch with Dnegs money??
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
Great one Doug! Nice rebound from feminist stuff with DW
What the hell with Joey. Need more info here. Did you get ahold of him? Hope he's well.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
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Wheres Joey Ingram? Is he ok?
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I tell ya what, as soon as sports betting became legal in michigan I stopped playing DFS and Fantasy. It's just way simpler if you aren't a die hard fan. Fantasy became too much work if you actually want to win.
Contemplating an O/U takes a few minutes whereas contemplating start/sits, trades, waivers, etc becomes more than a hobby for an addictive personality type.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
Love him or hate him, when someone says “positivity” I think of Phil Hellmuth. 🦄🦄🦄
A big reason hands were so crazy back then is because cashing out was next to impossible.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
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wheres joey tho
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
Jeez whats going on with joey guess we have to investigate
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
Why did Cardrunners shutdown?
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
RIP Tuff Fish if true. He was publicly shamed for no reason. Amazing video so far.
Well fuck me to tears😢
Son of a gott damn bitch I'm going all in !!!!! No I'm not, no I'm not, no I'm not lol
@@melissathompson7229 I loved how in at least one of his videos he said he had to log out because his wife had come home with the groceries and he had to help her bring them in. #RIP.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
He was still alive a few Years ago, not sure how he is now.
I disagree with Taylors assessment during the Online Poker Today segment, that Crypto is a better investment than playing poker. Crypto is still nothing more than mania, and there's still lots of fish, weak players and as Doug has said "bad regs" playing online.
Who needs nerd stats when Vegas Dave can rub his faux gold chain and give you the pick of the week?
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Fuck me to god damn tears
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
Taylor is the reason i lost 32k in 6 months.
Thanks Taylor
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
In what way?
His business partner plays for the warriors
Andrew Wiggins
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
Ive only played a few times, is poker hard? What's so hard about it?
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
Taylor C look like an advanced AI (no offense)
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
His face look like a composition of a lot of faces. He looks like no one and everyone.
Doug should listen to Coach Greg Adams first before getting married.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
TUFFISH!!!
I run in the wrong circles clearly
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
Congrats on the marriage doug!
🙂
Re: is america behind-yes George W Bush, The GOP, and Sheldon Addleson (and more) we have to thank for not being allowed to play poker stars etc
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
RIP lilholdem
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
Why did u guys ever start training people.
Poker used to be just sit down and print money now even gma can go win. Thanks a lot Doug
Because profit incentive
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
WTF has happened to Joe Ingram? Smashed to bits in debt or what? radio silence everywhere the last 4mths or so
Here for organic self tanning fr
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
You do have to ass kiss to get in the better games I heard that many times before
Wtf is DSF????
Daily fantasy sports. DFS
It was an innovative way to scale up the fantasy model and give people the opportunity to bet on sports legally.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
Chemical free? So it's made out of the void?
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
Cryptopunks are ostensibly worthless. NFTs as they are widely used right now are worthless. They may have some practical uses that will come to light, but at the minute it's just a load of crap
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
You only get 30k views a lot of work for 30k views
Masterclass is ruining competitive home cooking.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
crypto is the future
Green Plastic.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :)
Don't do it Doug. Don't get married, why bring In the courts to your private business
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘ ツ
The women tend to have a say at that
How happy can your crypto gazzillions make you, when nothing left of society and you have to wear a muzzle like a dog wherever you go? The only good use is to build a 100% offgrid compound somewhere remote, and I hope Joey did just that.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ‘
You can't say chemical free because literally everything in this world is made of chemicals. Saying "chemical free" is nonsensical.
I expect better from you Doug. Don't give in to bullshit fear-based marketing.
-📩📞𝙸𝟻𝟼𝟸𝟸𝟺𝟼𝟿𝟽𝟹𝟸 ' :
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