Hi Fabian! After trying lots of alternatives, I ended up with your favorite mod and have no regrets. Tried other values for the tone stack, tried removing and exchanging clipping diodes, tried to decrease the gain biasing Q2 with other values. All I can say is that your mod (removing R17 and changing C12 to 47nf) is the only one that doesn't change the distortion of the DS-1, but gives more mids, more volume/headroom, makes the tone pot very usable and gives dynamics to the pedal. All other mods change drastically the sound of the DS-1, which wasn't my desire. My DS-1 is totally usable and it smokes my other expensive pedals. Thank you very much! All the best to you! :)
Who knew that Werner Ziegler had a killer DS-1 mod? I liked R17 removed best. Seems like just doing that is a good way to add more mids without drastically altering the character of the pedal.
Great video - passing this on to my guitar playing friend. He's been complaining about the distortion of his sound and this could be his answer!! Thanks for sharing!!
Exactly what I was looking for. Did some googling after watching this to see if other people have done this. Figured out that cutting r17 would add more low end .. mine was already modded (removed clipping diodes) but I wanted to mod it further in a way that wouldn't really hurt if I decided to get new components for a more complex mod... Anyway, now I have no R17 and no clipping diodes, and this thing is a WICKED loud and super pretty sounding cleanish boost. Even with the gain slammed, it's still pretty clean. Really takes my sovtek mig50 to the next level!!! Thanks!!!
Hey mate... Which are the clipping diodes you took off? D4 and D5 diodes? "cause I did this to mine and I'm very worried on removing the R17 (keep those 3 components off) and my pedal does not work anymore... I'd be please to hear from you if this is what you did and if this still works
There are at least 3 versions of this pedal. The first one with a standard 2 x 4 legs IC (called 8-pin dual inline), the next one (yours) with 8 pins in-line IC, and later probably a 8 pins in-line with SMD components. I once made a very good sounding mod to the tonecontrol also, but I have luckily forgotten what it was 🙂
sounded like a different pedal once you did the mod, very impressed, might get a second boss ds-1 to mod as i only have a mij ds1 at this time, great video! thanks
This is very interesting, and the sounds are very nice. For your favorite mod at 4:15, remove the R17 and replace the C12 capacitor with a 47nf value? And what is the switch you installed connected to?
Do you know it never occurred to me that folks modded pedals - I assumed they just bought different ones, there's such a bewildering array nowadays. Well, thanks for the education. Incidentally I liked that that little bendy lick in there!
Thanks for checking it out. Yeah of course most folks buy a different pedal, but where is the fun it that ;-) And since the DS-1 has been around since 1978, statistically almost every guitarist should have a DS-1 lying around somewhere;-)
Q2 is where a lot of the problems with the ds-1 start. I tried taming it by rebiasing it and it doesn't quite sound right so I went for a specific sound and a specific guitar - the telecaster in heavy controllable overdrive. Basically R9 needs to be increased from 22 ohms to 100 ohms or more - Leave R6 at 100k ohms and you get a lot more touch sensitivity and gradual break-up. Trial and error got me there - following in many other footprints on the way.
Would you please let me know, after modification, can the tone tune to the same as Carlos Santana guitar tone? I really like his tone, can you tell me how to get it?
If you want to sound like Carlos Santana you will need to play his whole setup (Guitar, Amp, Speaker, Effects) not to mention skill. A distortion pedal alone will not get you there.
In 2017 some Boss pedals like the DS-1 were changed to tiny SMT (surface mount) parts, with the board assembled by a machine to save money. I can't mod these pedals.
Ive been modding the SMT DS-1 I am to my knowledge the 1st person on the planet to do so, not quite finished yet, but done the D4 and D5 diode swap, the R9 resistor value change, and gonna hit the C12 R17 mod asap.
Thank you very much for this little tutorial, I just removed R17 from my DS-1 and the result is already pleasing to my ears .... I can for the first time get an interesting sound with 100% distortion. This pedal now presents a new interest to me...! What is the use of modifying C12, how does it modify exactly the sound?
The Tone control of the DS-1 mixes between a low-pass filter (R16 & C12) and a high-pass-filter. Here you can find some explanation on how it works: mrfuriousrecords.com/audio/jack-of-all-boss-ds-1-mod/
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop excuse me for the lame question, but I dont' t know much about caps and resistor values, could you please explain me what would i get soundwise removing r17 and C12 wiithout adding anything? Thank you!
thanx for the demo... Is that switch used for changing (turning on/off) installed component ? It is useful if you want to go back on the stock version... thanx.
Hello Fabien, excellent video. I would like to wish you and all your family a wonderful, magical Christmas and happy new year. Kind regards Danny uk 🙂🍊❤
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop yeh I couldn't find anybody who's done the SMT mods. I think I'm the 1st! And I'm doing an asymmetrical Diode thing. It's bread boarded ATM and just got the C12 mod to try next. The removal of the parts is the hardest cause I'm not set up for it. But I will be in the future. It's pretty easy soldering onto the bigger caps and fortunately the D4 and D5 are accessible by soldering onto a couple of caps and ground is all over. The hardest was the R9 mod cause that comes of the gain transistor and I killed it. So I ended up replacing it with one I had. Lol
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop Ty. Your last mod with it removed and the 47nf cap I think sounds the best and looks like it has the most usable tone control. Is that what you liked best? Of course as I've changed my DS1 D4 & D5 diodes, Q2 to something quite different, I'll have to play around with values. But I appreciate your great video. Really well made.
wouldn’t it make much more sense to run it through an overdriven tube amp, boosting the mids with the eq? I didn’t hear anything I couldn’t replicate with a stock DS-1
Anything that works "for you" makes sense. For me I don't like the original sound. Of courst I could crank the mids on my amp all the way up. But when I switch from the DS1 on my pedalboard to an overdrive I don't want to run to my amp to dial the mids down again. So instead of trying to boost the mids with my amp I like to have the best possible input signal for my amp to work with.
Schönes Video, Fabian. Smile, was man mit etwas Änderung von Widerständen und Kondensatoren erreichen kann. Gut man sollte auch wissen was man macht. Ich darf mich auch noch nach einen speziellen Kondensator umschauen, für meine fein (Oszillationsschleifer) besorgen.
I asume you're refering to my favorite mod: C12 = 47nf, R17 = remove The Tone control of the DS-1 mixes between a low-pass filter (R16 & C12) and a high-pass-filter (R17 & C11) So by removing or changing for example C12 or R17 you remove or change the respective filter leaving more or less mids to pass trough. I don't know what Robert Keeley did to the pedal. So I can't tell if this mod will change it to the better. If you know how to use a soldering iron give it a try. You can always change it back.
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop Hat super geklappt in Verbindung mit dem Keeley Mod. Das Ding hat jetzt viel mehr Mitten und Bass und wenn man den Dist-Regler höher dreht leichtes Fuzz. Ich bin sehr zufrieden. Danke. :)
I don't know what "ehat abouy" means. If you like to know what happens if you remove the low-pass and the high-pass filter, it would disable the tone control completely.
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop Thank you for your quick response. Do you have any other recommendation for the DS-1 pedal (i.e. op amp upgrades, D4/D5 configurations)? A lot of information out there on these pedals. I definitely like what you have done. Simple and effective! Again, thank you
@@georgeamis3958 change R9 for a 680ohm resistor (stock is 22) will reduce gain into the opamp and give the pedal some extra range (i.e. will clean up further) and more dynamics. It will also flatten a bit the frequency response. Can change D5 for a Red LED, it will make the distortion asymmetric and the pedal _much_ louder.
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Hi Fabian! After trying lots of alternatives, I ended up with your favorite mod and have no regrets. Tried other values for the tone stack, tried removing and exchanging clipping diodes, tried to decrease the gain biasing Q2 with other values. All I can say is that your mod (removing R17 and changing C12 to 47nf) is the only one that doesn't change the distortion of the DS-1, but gives more mids, more volume/headroom, makes the tone pot very usable and gives dynamics to the pedal.
All other mods change drastically the sound of the DS-1, which wasn't my desire. My DS-1 is totally usable and it smokes my other expensive pedals. Thank you very much! All the best to you! :)
stock ds-1 2:05
r17 removed 2:42
c12 removed 3:09
c12=18nf, r17=10k 3:34
c12=47nf, r17=removed 4:14
Who knew that Werner Ziegler had a killer DS-1 mod? I liked R17 removed best. Seems like just doing that is a good way to add more mids without drastically altering the character of the pedal.
vernerrrr zeeglerrr what’s he up to maj
Great video - passing this on to my guitar playing friend. He's been complaining about the distortion of his sound and this could be his answer!! Thanks for sharing!!
Exactly what I was looking for. Did some googling after watching this to see if other people have done this. Figured out that cutting r17 would add more low end .. mine was already modded (removed clipping diodes) but I wanted to mod it further in a way that wouldn't really hurt if I decided to get new components for a more complex mod... Anyway, now I have no R17 and no clipping diodes, and this thing is a WICKED loud and super pretty sounding cleanish boost. Even with the gain slammed, it's still pretty clean. Really takes my sovtek mig50 to the next level!!!
Thanks!!!
Hey mate... Which are the clipping diodes you took off? D4 and D5 diodes? "cause I did this to mine and I'm very worried on removing the R17 (keep those 3 components off) and my pedal does not work anymore... I'd be please to hear from you if this is what you did and if this still works
There are at least 3 versions of this pedal. The first one with a standard 2 x 4 legs IC (called 8-pin dual inline), the next one (yours) with 8 pins in-line IC, and later probably a 8 pins in-line with
SMD components. I once made a very good sounding mod to the tonecontrol also, but I have luckily forgotten what it was 🙂
Thank you for this! The R17 mod is just what this angry little fella needed :)
sounded like a different pedal once you did the mod, very impressed, might get a second boss ds-1 to mod as i only have a mij ds1 at this time, great video! thanks
Thank you! Appreciate it!
great demo. ive had my eye on one for a while for a diy project
This is very interesting, and the sounds are very nice. For your favorite mod at 4:15, remove the R17 and replace the C12 capacitor with a 47nf value? And what is the switch you installed connected to?
What about this AND swapping the diodes
Do you know it never occurred to me that folks modded pedals - I assumed they just bought different ones, there's such a bewildering array nowadays. Well, thanks for the education. Incidentally I liked that that little bendy lick in there!
Thanks for checking it out. Yeah of course most folks buy a different pedal, but where is the fun it that ;-) And since the DS-1 has been around since 1978, statistically almost every guitarist should have a DS-1 lying around somewhere;-)
Modding pedals is actually one of the reasons why there are so many different pedals today.
Q2 is where a lot of the problems with the ds-1 start. I tried taming it by rebiasing it and it doesn't quite sound right so I went for a specific sound and a specific guitar - the telecaster in heavy controllable overdrive. Basically R9 needs to be increased from 22 ohms to 100 ohms or more - Leave R6 at 100k ohms and you get a lot more touch sensitivity and gradual break-up. Trial and error got me there - following in many other footprints on the way.
2:36
3:03
Dont mind me just seeing which distortion sounds better lol
Would you please let me know, after modification, can the tone tune to the same as Carlos Santana guitar tone? I really like his tone, can you tell me how to get it?
If you want to sound like Carlos Santana you will need to play his whole setup (Guitar, Amp, Speaker, Effects) not to mention skill. A distortion pedal alone will not get you there.
My ds1 doesn’t have that internal configuration please help
In 2017 some Boss pedals like the DS-1 were changed to tiny SMT (surface mount) parts, with the board assembled by a machine to save money.
I can't mod these pedals.
Fabian's Tiny Workshop costs the same and can’t mod it fuck thanks
Ive been modding the SMT DS-1 I am to my knowledge the 1st person on the planet to do so, not quite finished yet, but done the D4 and D5 diode swap, the R9 resistor value change, and gonna hit the C12 R17 mod asap.
Thank you very much for this little tutorial, I just removed R17 from my DS-1 and the result is already pleasing to my ears .... I can for the first time get an interesting sound with 100% distortion. This pedal now presents a new interest to me...!
What is the use of modifying C12, how does it modify exactly the sound?
The Tone control of the DS-1 mixes between a low-pass filter (R16 & C12) and a high-pass-filter.
Here you can find some explanation on how it works:
mrfuriousrecords.com/audio/jack-of-all-boss-ds-1-mod/
Sweet job Fabian....absolutely stunning. Kind regards Danny UK 🇬🇧❤
Thank you! I really appreciate that!
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop excuse me for the lame question, but I dont' t know much about caps and resistor values, could you please explain me what would i get soundwise removing r17 and C12 wiithout adding anything? Thank you!
@@vincenzoerriquenz2356 That would enable the tone control.
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop thank you very much!
thanx for the demo... Is that switch used for changing (turning on/off) installed component ? It is useful if you want to go back on the stock version... thanx.
In a nutshell: yes :-)
So if you pull the paper cap out at C12 and replace it with a canister type cap, how do you know which side is neg? Asking for a friend...lol
Removed C12 but now there’s a really high pitched whine that doesnt go away
Maybe you've "touched" something else during the process?!
Hi. Is the DS1 keeley best played thru the clean or top boost on a Vox Ac15
I don't have a DS1 Keeley nor an Vox Ac15.
My best answer would be try both and see what you like best.
Hello Fabien, excellent video. I would like to wish you and all your family a wonderful, magical Christmas and happy new year. Kind regards Danny uk 🙂🍊❤
A very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you too 🙂
Awsome Vid. Ive been modding the SMT DS-1
Thank you :) Cool, I bet it's tricky to mod SMT pedals.
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop yeh I couldn't find anybody who's done the SMT mods. I think I'm the 1st! And I'm doing an asymmetrical Diode thing. It's bread boarded ATM and just got the C12 mod to try next.
The removal of the parts is the hardest cause I'm not set up for it. But I will be in the future. It's pretty easy soldering onto the bigger caps and fortunately the D4 and D5 are accessible by soldering onto a couple of caps and ground is all over. The hardest was the R9 mod cause that comes of the gain transistor and I killed it. So I ended up replacing it with one I had. Lol
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop when you removed R17 did you just bridge it. Or leave it open. I'm at work ATM so can't check the schematic.
@@PrincePloppy I left it open.
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop Ty. Your last mod with it removed and the 47nf cap I think sounds the best and looks like it has the most usable tone control. Is that what you liked best? Of course as I've changed my DS1 D4 & D5 diodes, Q2 to something quite different, I'll have to play around with values. But I appreciate your great video. Really well made.
wouldn’t it make much more sense to run it through an overdriven tube amp, boosting the mids with the eq? I didn’t hear anything I couldn’t replicate with a stock DS-1
Anything that works "for you" makes sense. For me I don't like the original sound. Of courst I could crank the mids on my amp all the way up. But when I switch from the DS1 on my pedalboard to an overdrive I don't want to run to my amp to dial the mids down again. So instead of trying to boost the mids with my amp I like to have the best possible input signal for my amp to work with.
Do you have a wiring diagram of the switch with the two mods? I’d really like to replicate this for a friend
Sorry I don't have a diagram.
Schönes Video, Fabian.
Smile, was man mit etwas Änderung von Widerständen und Kondensatoren erreichen kann. Gut man sollte auch wissen was man macht.
Ich darf mich auch noch nach einen speziellen Kondensator umschauen, für meine fein (Oszillationsschleifer) besorgen.
Mine already got the Keeley Mod, but the tone control is still worthless, will this fix it?
I asume you're refering to my favorite mod:
C12 = 47nf, R17 = remove
The Tone control of the DS-1 mixes between a low-pass filter (R16 & C12) and a high-pass-filter (R17 & C11)
So by removing or changing for example C12 or R17 you remove or change the respective filter leaving more or less mids to pass trough.
I don't know what Robert Keeley did to the pedal. So I can't tell if this mod will change it to the better. If you know how to use a soldering iron give it a try. You can always change it back.
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop Hat super geklappt in Verbindung mit dem Keeley Mod. Das Ding hat jetzt viel mehr Mitten und Bass und wenn man den Dist-Regler höher dreht leichtes Fuzz. Ich bin sehr zufrieden. Danke. :)
CAN I REMOVE THE R17 TO MY PEDAL IF I ALREADY REMOVED THE DIODES D4 AND D5 AND MY PEDAL STILL WORKS?
🤷🏻♂ I think so
If I wanna do get More low-mid or mid-low, how should I go with? Thnks
mrfuriousrecords.com/audio/jack-of-all-boss-ds-1-mod/
I hope you find what you're looking for.
whitch does filter the heights out? your soundcheck shows that r17 is the low filter. that right? so with r17 out you have full lows all in
here you can find everything about the "Tone Stack": mrfuriousrecords.com/audio/jack-of-all-boss-ds-1-mod/
ehat abouy c12 and r17 both removed?
I don't know what "ehat abouy" means. If you like to know what happens if you remove the low-pass and the high-pass filter, it would disable the tone control completely.
Great video, thank you!
Did you levave the diodes in as well?
I only changed C12 and R17. That's all.
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop Hey thanks for the reply.
Remove C12 is my favorate mod, more mids 😊
Fabian, thanks for a great video. Nice and easy mod with a lot of bang for the buck. What type of capacitors do you use?
They are called WIMA capacitors but it really does not matter.
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop Thank you for your quick response. Do you have any other recommendation for the DS-1 pedal (i.e. op amp upgrades, D4/D5 configurations)? A lot of information out there on these pedals. I definitely like what you have done. Simple and effective! Again, thank you
@@FabiansTinyWorkshop Wima has a lot of different kind of capacitors tho!
@@georgeamis3958 change R9 for a 680ohm resistor (stock is 22) will reduce gain into the opamp and give the pedal some extra range (i.e. will clean up further) and more dynamics. It will also flatten a bit the frequency response. Can change D5 for a Red LED, it will make the distortion asymmetric and the pedal _much_ louder.
Sounds more and more like a Samick practice amp...
Thanks for sharing that
nice one
Great video nice ideal
Super neat!
I think the clipping almost necessary to show how bad it really is.
Great video, was that with single coil pups?
Thank you! T-Style partscaster, Single Coil Bridge Pickup, AlNiCo V slightly overwound.
Pretty terrible how boss had to ruin a good thing...
this may be a dumb question but are you able to take out both the C12 and the R17?
This would disable the tone knob.
also clip out D4 and D5 lol
People don't realize this pedal sounds much better with a amp that's already broken up & sounds terrible with a clean amp.
More like overdrive
Раскачать гитару лучше на большой громкости мониторинга, а комбик только как формирователь сигнала. Урезание или добавление высоких частот можно регулировать микрофоном, который подставлен к динамику комбика. А это просто сухой сигнал, нет глубины звука. Нужна обратная связь от динамика, чтобы раскачать струну.
The problem with Boss pedals is you need Japanese ears to appreciate them.