to add onto summer lili’s placement in SS tier, which is something I very much agree with and a lot of people don’t, there’s a lot of value both right now and in the future that goes into her kit. 1) the debuffs and tick damage on her ult especially at A5 are extremely valuable, getting the full tick damage by itself on an enemy ranks her ult as the second-hardest-hitting in the entire game only below aisha, crazy to think about for a speed unit who usually have lower-end multipliers in comparison to DPS classes. this makes her A1 one of the most valuable in the game. reducing vit (defense) at A5 obviously holds a lot of value to it even months in the future and the movement speed reduction is also good to take for things like PVP, battle arena included. 2) she’s a speed unit, like I mentioned before. they’re simply the future of the meta as they allow you to cycle ults extremely fast, only 14 normals from 0% when you have the elemental advantage. cycling ults is the best way to deal damage and summer lili’s personal damage already being high (although not as huge as ais), that holds a lot of value to it by itself. the speed class gives her a lot of lategame potential as a speed unit and 2 DPS or 1 DPS + 1 buffer is undoubtedly going to be the future of this game’s meta. 3) her multipliers and base stats are insane for her class. like i mentioned, just go compare with other speed units we have right now in the danchro database just how much better she is in comparison to her peers in terms of personal damage and stats. it’s a straight upgrade from characters like ryu. in short, she has value thats absolutely unheard of for a speed class, dealing close to as much damage as the top tier DPSes (and from my experience, playing both actively, even more damage than UR bell). in PvP, she does fall off a little, especially for scramble in japanese lobbies she wont be useful to bring out until the lategame because shes too squishy due to speed unit stats so shes going to get destroyed by any tiona/ais, who are both very frequent. however, in global lobbies thats not an issue and she’s rather safe to bring out to ensure you have your ults ready for lategame by hitting people from a distance with your normals. and needless to say she destroys bells. in Battle Arena, thats completely mitigated as you can just bring her out against comps that advantage her. (no real tier list to even be made in BA as you’ll always attack comps you can safely kill) TL;DR : she’s no generalist like Ais who can just be top tier everywhere because she has some weaknesses in PvP due to being squishy. but her lategame value far exceeds a DPS like Ais, who’s going to get replaced by whatever wind unit happens to deal more damage. her own damage is nothing to complain about, top tier in all PvE content, and she holds good (although not unheard of) value in pvp gamemodes as well. easy SS tier, although below Ais for me right now (even if it’s likely Slili ends up more valuable than Ais later.)
I pulled Summer Haruhime and she's been so amazing for my account. The only DPS unit I've had since day 1 is Finn and he's just so sad to use. S.Haruhime has made every form of content for me 10x easier. She even was the reason I was able to clear the Very Hard stage of Sword Princess Ais even though the boss was Purple. She still does way more damage than any other unit I have. Absolutely glad I got her
summer haru isnt a bad DPS by any means, but compare her to the units from the tiers above and she’s obviously not as strong. being painfully slow makes her unusable in MSS, good subdps in PvE overall but Tiona has more generalised usefulness from being top tier in both PvP modes and being faster overall in PvE too (which gives her lower subdps potential but higher maindps potential). not to mention Tiona is going to be busted in event ranking from her skill 2 existing LOL
it depends on ur luck I got ais in my first try only when that gacha came and since then. I got ais 3 times😂 so I was able to Awaken her thrice and now i am just praying that don't give me ais anymore
The thing about Haru is that she feels like a boss killer. Her ult hits multiple times and has a really high multiplier, so she's meant for slow heavy hits against bosses. I think it'd be more helpful if you structured the tier list based on certain content, because the video sounded mostly like you were basing units effectiveness off of Magic Stone Scramble which not many people play. I think rating units based off of PVE content like VH story or Raids would be more helpful.
I count all three together, BA included as well, I wouldn't rate her extremely highly. PVE content is of course important but basically at this moment in time, PVP content outweighs PVE a bit especially considering Raids are pretty much once only runs, and arguably Tiona does her role just as well in PVE. I wouldn't really push her one rank higher accordingly. I understand people may not play the PVP contents that much but I just feel that even otherwise Summer Haru isn't that high up unless faced against a boss which like you said is great for her
I think for BA it's insane, but MSS and in later stages of the boss fight it loses it's viability (and currently it feels like most boss fights do go for like at least minute if not more so yeah)
@@galeriot7 gale I think top tier with Aiz for this new Lily is way too high. I tried to use her in PVP and its impossible for me to do anything her skills are too slow for me to ever catch anyone its to frustrating to use. I checked ranking just to see, I cant find anyone in the top 50+ (i didnt bother to go past there to check) that have her on their team. i asked two of the top player in official discord to see what they said and they also said no good. And JP thinks shes bad too. I know you said you don't have her so you cant really judge and need to rely on other people but you can also tell by playing the live PVP Lily is horrific there and noone includes her in their roster there lol
@@BryanFlores_ u didnt check top 50, im top ~30 ish and use her, so ur lying straight up lol its also likely the top players u asked straight up dont have her and cant tell what she can do when played right slili isnt a character u can just play in a braindead manner and win with, u need to use her in a smart way and think smart before pulling her out, her kit has some crazy strengths for pvp as well not just pve, and u simply need to know how to use those properly to win
@@dreamynolife What is your username in the game? I checked top 50 players and there was not a single of this Lily on their team. Also no I win like 50% of my games and nearly in Master It's not like I am a complete trash player. Lily is just unusable so I cannot understand his ranking of literally "SS" only other character with Aiz who is one of the most incredibly strong units in the game everywhere. that doesn't seem like an objective ranking when no one bothers to use her but everyone use Aiz. If you are rank 30 and the single outlier in that ranking who use her then I am open to listen to your opinion since you are one of the top player as well. But you are the only one I see praising her, it would be helpful if you could make a video or some demonstration of Lily and why she is effective for you to win games because I simply cannot win with her on the field and seems like no one else can either.
I will be testing the units out through the trial and update the tier list soon again. I would say Loki is an easy S though just based on her abilities, but Ais may be around A, depends on her viability in BA and Scramble I'd say. The Wide attacks she has especially on her Special makes her a great option
to add onto summer lili’s placement in SS tier, which is something I very much agree with and a lot of people don’t, there’s a lot of value both right now and in the future that goes into her kit.
1) the debuffs and tick damage on her ult especially at A5 are extremely valuable, getting the full tick damage by itself on an enemy ranks her ult as the second-hardest-hitting in the entire game only below aisha, crazy to think about for a speed unit who usually have lower-end multipliers in comparison to DPS classes. this makes her A1 one of the most valuable in the game.
reducing vit (defense) at A5 obviously holds a lot of value to it even months in the future and the movement speed reduction is also good to take for things like PVP, battle arena included.
2) she’s a speed unit, like I mentioned before. they’re simply the future of the meta as they allow you to cycle ults extremely fast, only 14 normals from 0% when you have the elemental advantage. cycling ults is the best way to deal damage and summer lili’s personal damage already being high (although not as huge as ais), that holds a lot of value to it by itself. the speed class gives her a lot of lategame potential as a speed unit and 2 DPS or 1 DPS + 1 buffer is undoubtedly going to be the future of this game’s meta.
3) her multipliers and base stats are insane for her class. like i mentioned, just go compare with other speed units we have right now in the danchro database just how much better she is in comparison to her peers in terms of personal damage and stats. it’s a straight upgrade from characters like ryu.
in short, she has value thats absolutely unheard of for a speed class, dealing close to as much damage as the top tier DPSes (and from my experience, playing both actively, even more damage than UR bell).
in PvP, she does fall off a little, especially for scramble in japanese lobbies she wont be useful to bring out until the lategame because shes too squishy due to speed unit stats so shes going to get destroyed by any tiona/ais, who are both very frequent. however, in global lobbies thats not an issue and she’s rather safe to bring out to ensure you have your ults ready for lategame by hitting people from a distance with your normals. and needless to say she destroys bells.
in Battle Arena, thats completely mitigated as you can just bring her out against comps that advantage her. (no real tier list to even be made in BA as you’ll always attack comps you can safely kill)
TL;DR : she’s no generalist like Ais who can just be top tier everywhere because she has some weaknesses in PvP due to being squishy. but her lategame value far exceeds a DPS like Ais, who’s going to get replaced by whatever wind unit happens to deal more damage. her own damage is nothing to complain about, top tier in all PvE content, and she holds good (although not unheard of) value in pvp gamemodes as well.
easy SS tier, although below Ais for me right now (even if it’s likely Slili ends up more valuable than Ais later.)
FINALLY A UPDATED LIST SINCE IT BEEN OUT YES!!!!!!!!!
I pulled Summer Haruhime and she's been so amazing for my account. The only DPS unit I've had since day 1 is Finn and he's just so sad to use. S.Haruhime has made every form of content for me 10x easier. She even was the reason I was able to clear the Very Hard stage of Sword Princess Ais even though the boss was Purple. She still does way more damage than any other unit I have. Absolutely glad I got her
summer haru isnt a bad DPS by any means, but compare her to the units from the tiers above and she’s obviously not as strong. being painfully slow makes her unusable in MSS, good subdps in PvE overall but Tiona has more generalised usefulness from being top tier in both PvP modes and being faster overall in PvE too (which gives her lower subdps potential but higher maindps potential).
not to mention Tiona is going to be busted in event ranking from her skill 2 existing LOL
@@dreamynolife Oh for sure. She isn't the best but she's the best i have right now
@@drjimmy128yeh i can agree with this. thats why her placement in A+ is very justified imo, shes top A+ to me 👍
@@dreamynolife yes same she doesn't necessarily have to fall under S for me to be happy. i think A is great!
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I think Cassandra is underrated on the sole fact that all her skills help killing bosses faster
i have a question for u. u said ais is super powerful and I have so muchh selas so why don't u roll for ais?
Because Ais is not rate up? It's a very low chance for me to pull for Ais lol
it depends on ur luck I got ais in my first try only when that gacha came and since then. I got ais 3 times😂 so I was able to Awaken her thrice and now i am just praying that don't give me ais anymore
Maybe there will be a unit that scales with hp and sacrifices hp to deal damage
For ais scene card
Maybe
When will they remove the battle timer??😭😭
The thing about Haru is that she feels like a boss killer. Her ult hits multiple times and has a really high multiplier, so she's meant for slow heavy hits against bosses.
I think it'd be more helpful if you structured the tier list based on certain content, because the video sounded mostly like you were basing units effectiveness off of Magic Stone Scramble which not many people play. I think rating units based off of PVE content like VH story or Raids would be more helpful.
I count all three together, BA included as well, I wouldn't rate her extremely highly. PVE content is of course important but basically at this moment in time, PVP content outweighs PVE a bit especially considering Raids are pretty much once only runs, and arguably Tiona does her role just as well in PVE. I wouldn't really push her one rank higher accordingly. I understand people may not play the PVP contents that much but I just feel that even otherwise Summer Haru isn't that high up unless faced against a boss which like you said is great for her
The miss supporter scene card needs to be higher it is the best for nuke on PvP and PvE
It's an all stat increase by 30% for 30 sec perfect for trying to get the full points in arena and stages that start with the boss
I think for BA it's insane, but MSS and in later stages of the boss fight it loses it's viability (and currently it feels like most boss fights do go for like at least minute if not more so yeah)
@@galeriot7 gale I think top tier with Aiz for this new Lily is way too high. I tried to use her in PVP and its impossible for me to do anything her skills are too slow for me to ever catch anyone its to frustrating to use. I checked ranking just to see, I cant find anyone in the top 50+ (i didnt bother to go past there to check) that have her on their team. i asked two of the top player in official discord to see what they said and they also said no good. And JP thinks shes bad too. I know you said you don't have her so you cant really judge and need to rely on other people but you can also tell by playing the live PVP Lily is horrific there and noone includes her in their roster there lol
@@BryanFlores_ u didnt check top 50, im top ~30 ish and use her, so ur lying straight up lol
its also likely the top players u asked straight up dont have her and cant tell what she can do when played right
slili isnt a character u can just play in a braindead manner and win with, u need to use her in a smart way and think smart before pulling her out, her kit has some crazy strengths for pvp as well not just pve, and u simply need to know how to use those properly to win
@@dreamynolife What is your username in the game? I checked top 50 players and there was not a single of this Lily on their team. Also no I win like 50% of my games and nearly in Master It's not like I am a complete trash player. Lily is just unusable so I cannot understand his ranking of literally "SS" only other character with Aiz who is one of the most incredibly strong units in the game everywhere.
that doesn't seem like an objective ranking when no one bothers to use her but everyone use Aiz. If you are rank 30 and the single outlier in that ranking who use her then I am open to listen to your opinion since you are one of the top player as well. But you are the only one I see praising her, it would be helpful if you could make a video or some demonstration of Lily and why she is effective for you to win games because I simply cannot win with her on the field and seems like no one else can either.
What about the summer ais & loki?
I will be testing the units out through the trial and update the tier list soon again. I would say Loki is an easy S though just based on her abilities, but Ais may be around A, depends on her viability in BA and Scramble I'd say. The Wide attacks she has especially on her Special makes her a great option
Its quite hard to use ranged units in mobile and thats a problem when ranged units are good in pc
Personally lily is still a major disappointment for me
Also Hestia is a very broken assist. I think you underestimate how much of a dmg increase she gives as an assist vs other ones in the game...
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The game make me crazy bro haha, 0 content, 15617878145178 banners hf
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