Baradwaj Rangan on Mani Ratnam's Ponniyin Selvan | Live with BR | 1 Year of Medai | CAT
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2023
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Maniratnam sir is actually very lucky, because whatever he makes his fans will find good and make bad into good thing and admire the movie ....others can see movies as it has shown...
Finally someone spoke about Nolan's movies except Batman Triology i didnt understand his movies by watching with first view😂
He is not explaining it, he is just ranting😂. He has heard enough, just letting it out. It was so satisfying for me to hear this.
I guess in a typical heavy movie dialog and drama are always leading to more action like in RRR or k.g.f . Whereas in ponian selvan action is leading to more drama and dialog like various foot chases and sword fights are always leading to more interactions and dialog which is probably the best innovation that you can attach to ponian selvan
ps 1 was perfectly shot.. maybe names could be difficult to understand or some other factors. we can watch it 2 nd time if not clear . there isn't any boring or unwanted scene.. just like nolan's movies by the way hollywood produced more complex movie we watched many time to understand. for example inception, predestination, interstellar etc
Let’s admit that it’s not easy to squeeze in a 5 part novel, into a movie!
And they have done a magnificent job doing exactly that
Ponniyin Selvan a well-written novel by Kalki Krishnamurthy, and was splendidly curtailed by Maniratnam, Elango Kumaravel and Jayamohan, yes the team skipped several superb parts but still this is Herculean task! No director could have pulled-off other than master Maniratnam.
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@@atwunzhe would have done it in three parts and would have taken 20 years . The movie could have been shelved due to overdoing the budget.
@@atwunz he would’ve spent half the money on shitty songs and their shoots, which would’ve added no value to the overarching story, and then film an unparalleled snooze fest.
Just the way Mani Ratnam incorporated the songs into the story and screenplay itself is beautiful.
Amazing explanation 👌👌👌. I loved Ponniyin Selvan movie like it's source material.
The problem is with some of the audience's expectation based on previous successful movies that a historical movie should have love story,melodrama and war scenes and should be told in a linear manner. PS1 had all that and more. But the political backstabbing and complex characters is what made PS1 special. I loved the additional scenes included in the movie like Vikram-Trisha meeting or Aish-Trisha confrontation. As BR says there's this section of audience is used to being spoonfed, simplicity and linear story telling.
BR goes on an extended monologue for a simple question. Don't try too hard, sometimes accepting open feedback with grace can be good fodder for introspection. Btw, the treatment was not right, it doesn't soak you into the times, rather a pop-candy version of PS. When you watch HeyRam you're transported into the 40s.
The most honest comment!
as a Mani Ratnam fan from Telugu states, I was so fuckin lost while watching PS-1. PS: I always watch films in their original language with subs if I dont know the lang well enough!!
Even though the movie was splendid, I feel people required some more backstory about some topics. I wouldn't exactly call it spoon feeding, but some context about the power dynamics of the Chozha and Pandya kingdoms and more emphasis on Nandini's origins would've probably helped understanding the story better. Another thing I felt on the audience's part was that people didn't pay attention to certain dialogues and scenes which were vital to understanding the story. As a person who has read the books, I feel the film did justice to the original content and there are some exciting moments for the book fans. Although it isn't required for the film, another reason why people say the film was difficult to understand is probably because there aren't many "mass, power packed" scenes, which has proven to be important for the general audience's attention span lately.
To me ponniyin selvan felt like pirates of caribbean. The tone that MR tries to put here is that of poc I believe, and if everyone doesn't set a preconceived notion of grandness that baahubali was able to achieve, i think everyone would like it
Most of what you said was my initial thought a mani fan. But later you see , cut down the grandness yet the movie is very cheap , its all made in one dilapidated fort , aditya karikalan’s role is all shot in that fort. Jayam ravi is the laziest swordsman you can see. U could see him playing kindergarten sword games in the fight. Against lankans in the shore. Ppl just falling lazily . No proper entry into the movie , who is fighting whom and why , one has to search the screen to find the left corner to know the name of the battle. It did well onky in tamil circles for the craving that tamils have to celebrate and reconnect to the past and some popularity of the novel but it sold absolutely no tickets to every where else. So simply it was preaching to the converted.
@@anandpendyala I completely admire your thoughts. It gives a different dimension to what I've been thinking otherwise. But to be honest I liked the climax. There was so much texture you could see. For instance, we see Kishore and karthi at the climax. At that time we've already forgot they shared a scene together in aishwarya's court. First he orders to kill Karthi and thrashes the guy who bought him. And he hears the sound of the anklet that Karthi is wearing and only the sound and immediately he decides he is a very important person and takes him to the top. And also the rain kind of gave it a texture of complexity for an otherwise normal fight as you put it and wow ravi's cinematography in that scene was top notch. You see Karthi drinking buttermilk after a long chase. Since when did you see a king in the vicinity of thirst . That's so human and so contemporary to me. It's like they are living somewhere here and it doesn't feel like 1200 years ago. The way aditya karikalan pats on the bench asking kundavai to come sit beside, very human. I think Karthi is very brainy throughout the film, (like johny depp in poc 🥲). He just turns every difficult situation to his control and he knows exactly what to say to whom to get control of that situation. Yea I understand the fact that audience expect certain things in an historical movie like this. But this is what i can see on the screen and cannot avoid to marvel about.
@@Kannandevendran I getting to understand geniius of the scenes you mentioned. I watched in Telugu. A lot of smart dialogues or the geniius of karthis character is lost in translation. Despite the closeness of south Indian languages. May be its the shoddy translators job or may it’s the translation itself that ruined the smart dialogues at play. I wonder how the Hindi dialogues fared. I am looking forward to the second part. Hopefully we both will like it.
This movies briliance will be understood by the audience oly if the PS story is made into a series. Coz thats when everyone compares the movie and series version and then figure out that which version is brilliant. Anyone can just cut, copy and paste from the Novel and make into a series. But oly few directors like Mani Ratnam can narrate it beautifully and brilliantly and he has indeed done it with the movie version. And it's a shame that we are admiring a much detailed movie from Hollywood aftr a double watch and praise them but if its from our own Indian directors, we will thrash movie with illogical negative reviews which implies we always want to get spoonfed with every single movie
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I want to rant like Baddy here... I have had enough of the PS haters... God😭
I don't think there is an issue with the writing. Don't get me wrong, I struggled with the names and when characters talked about someone not in the scene it was sometimes hard to understand who they were referring to. I still don't know who the Prime Minister is that Jayaram was working for.
My issue was with the editing, especially in the 2nd half. I don't understand why all of a sudden Karthi started chasing Jayam Ravi (before they fought in the tent scene). I don't understand why after planning Karthi would pretend to be Arunmozhi, that he started chasing Jayam Ravi who was leaving on the elephant. and there was a lot going on with the Pandya's at the sametime - chasing Karthi and killing the Cholas army that was there to arrest Arunmozhi.
He mirrors my opinion…..I don’t get what was so complicated in this…..pretty straightforward way of taking the story and characters…..& I never even got to read the book. Either people only want some spoon fed king-queen melodrama, like in the case of ‘other movies’ before this one, or people are just straight up hypocrites, who can give the time and effort into understanding a Game of Thrones or even Interstellar, but not something as simple as this.
It’s not like this film is some rare bit of art or masterpiece, but it definitely is no passable popcorn film. It has lot of interesting creative bits.
First of all GOT is not complicated.
Interstellar is complicated as hell but there were moments which made the audience re-watch the movie.
I didn't understand the movie completely but I clapped and cried when watching the movie.
PS1 imo doesn't even have one clap worthy scene or builds an emotional connection between the characters involved. The movie didn't work well outside TN I believe.
This is more like a movie for those who have read the book and not for the non readers.
@@boxerkrisnan buddy did you even read my post properly? I said I haven't read the book. And yes, if GOT isn't complex, this definitely is not. Especially remembering the name of characters should NOT be complex for Indians. If it is, its a reflection of cultural ignorance across our national landscape.
@@doncorleone9297 That's y in GOT they made it as a tv series. The makers knew it would be hard for audiences who have not read the book to follow each character. This was the major issue in PS1.
@@boxerkrisnan agree that the entire book makes for much better material as a series, but you have to look at the possibility of such a thing in Indian market, as a big budget series would require. Besides, even as a film, I'm yet to see any validation that its over complicated. Do people open their Instagram every 10 minutes while watching a film? If not, then there's no way this is complex, except that there's some serious attention deficit syndrome among people.
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Additionally,
1. It's in ancient Tamizh which is difficult to follow for some.
2. The character names didn't register properly. Above this, they used the multiple names like Arunmozhi, ponniyin selvan to refer to the same person.
3. Even I had a tough time understanding who is related to who.
the relation part I agree
but not the names.
As a non tamil audience, I feel you're spot on on all 3 points
@2.21 Thats exactly the problem with the movie, each get 4-5 scenes to highlight their thoughts.But, there is no strong connect as to why those characters feel the way they feel. E.g:- when kundavai and nandini meet,I couldnt really understand the reason behind the cold war from the perspective of the movie flow. The scene felt very flat There was no buildup for us to connect to thier meeting. There would be a similar scene between karthik and prabhu in agni-nakshathiram and we audience totally vouch for that scene, coz there enemity was built right from scene one.
I basically feel that the idea was to get the book into a movie to showcase the director's feat, but not to make a movie that non-tamil non-reader audience would want to connect to.
time matters for everything
for the build up it would take an episode.
he gave that later btwn adhitya and kundavai.
nandini and kundavai hate each other because of their childhood, remember aditya karikalan says kundavai was jealous of nandini and got her kicked out of the palace ?
Very mixed feeling I got with this movie. Watched it thrice in theatres. First time it felt OK like somehow they have ticked most of the boxes from the book. Second time it was getting bit placticky like a well rehearsed drama trying hard to impress. Frankly It was unbearable watching the third time.
I read the book before watching the movie. It is no small feat to bring so many characters on screen. Mani Ratnam and team has achieved that with some grandeur.
My complaint is it failed to become a timeless masterpiece. There is just enough stuff to appreciate the team for their effort but that's about it. Same with the music. Made for the trend. Market and make good money. Everyone jump on the bandwagon. Then forget and move on. This can neither stand the test of time nor has the finesse to exist along with the book. That's sad.
True!
This is the first time I realised even Tamil audience did not like the movie .. time reveals the truth .. ps2 will all be about fake numbers ..then
Why does Barry feel like a teacher admonishing his student after they asked him a 'dumb' question?
Somehow I am not interested in rewatching PS1
Blame the audience when people did not like the movie
60% people loved the film, that's why PS-1 became no1 movie in Tamil cinema collected ₹200cr only in TN!
40% others had no idea about the film's backstory, they're expected and still expecting like a Bahubali, which itself an abklatsch of PS novel.
@@VishnuVarthan-ZappyLad yes tamil movies are always great . These Telugu people just copy you tamil movies guys. Iam sure tamil guys would have done bahubali so nice. These Rajamouli is one waste guy who did earlier than tamil ppl.
@@jayakishore565 this gotta be bait😂
@@jayakishore565 why are you turning this into telugu vs tamil cinema? Go celebrate rrr.
@@kalidoss7234 why can’t you give this enlightenment to the guy who commented on bahubali ???
What is your problem mate? Why are you getting all worked up and irksome with the question? You are alresdy a devotee of maniratnam, so u find this question as blasphemy? Whatever it is, the movie only made big money in tamil nadu and tamil diaspora. Not for the great movie it is but for the chola history and thirst for reconnecting to tamil history and the popularity of the novel. Maniratnam is very predictable and after all that you said about the movie. The movie is not gripping and cheap and lazy in the making. You could jayam ravi’s lazy fight sequence on the shore of srilanka , playing swords like kindergarten scenes, most of the movie is made in one deserted fort , shot in different directions. Thatsmost of aditya karakalans job. Story definitely has immense potential but very badly made .
Completely agree actors didn't even made an effort to look strong especially jayam Ravi and many
If its not easy to make a 5 part into a movie then give up. U got out a cheap, substandard product . You got money because of the generosity of the tamils. Elsewhere it sold no tickets. Just preaching to the already converted. Part 1 is just a trailer nothing was there in it. So audience for cheated in the name of a movie
Garbage - Baradu needs to get his head out of Mani’s arrogant self-glorification. Mani has lost touch - he got lucky that the movie was successful
Problem is PS can be made into a better version as series now that possibility got nullified...That makes this mediocre project even more hateable.....why do u make a movie for a sake of making historical movie when the story has so much potential in some other formats........PS one as a movie is an overkill...
Let's be honest the movie was crap.
Let's be honest your personal opinion does not matter to most of us
@@anunarayanasamy8872 so does yours
@@YuveshanthDharmalingam I know that... question is do you?
Movie costume department deserves award..other than that ........
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Mani is the worst - and any amount of marketing him will not change.
A highly overrated piece of inferior art that has brought down tamil cinema to its knees in terms of quality ! It single handedly managed to betray the source material and also rupture filmmaking as an artform. Poorly written and highly exasperating as the film flows. Not a single character is likeable coupled with some of the most egregiously cringe scenes make it for a depressing viewing
. Mani Ratnam has understood the rules of the game. Indulging in artistic subterfuge has made him really successful. The tamil audience is yet to grow fully
I couldn't even find one clap-worthy scene in PS1 . It's that bad
Is good movie means clap worthy scenes poor mindset
First change ur thoughts and mindset
Get some help
In other words you are upset that u didn't got spoonfed in this movie 🤷 you've a long way to grow up
@@aravindkumar6631 Ofcourse. The scenes never had a proper elevation.
It was like watching a dead man's ECG. Flat, just flat
@@raghavs.r7294 Whats wrong with my mindset dude.
I found it hard to follow the movie without English subtitles. The pure ‘old-timey’ Tamil made it hard to comprehend🫣😅😅😅